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Speaker 1: Welcome to Indianapolis, Indiana, the twenty twenty NFL Scouting Combined

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Speaker 1: and the Official Titans Podcast, better known as the OTP.

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Speaker 1: My name is Mike Keith, joined as always by Amy Wells. Amy,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Indy. Hello Mike, it's a great time to

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Speaker 1: be here. Ian Rappaport, NFL Network. Thank you for stopping

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Speaker 1: by to see us. No problem, I had nothing else

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Speaker 1: to do in the whole world. I'm just wondering how

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Speaker 1: many cups of coffee a day do you go through

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Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine. Um, it's early so I'm actually

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Speaker 1: doing fine now. I got up, I exercised this morning.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a normal human. So this is only

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Speaker 1: my fourth cup today. Um, later in the week and

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Speaker 1: Mike get Mike get a little more. Yeah, wow, how

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Speaker 1: later are you on on an average day? Well, on TV,

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Speaker 1: I'm on until seven fifteen, and then for the next

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Speaker 1: on until eleven fifteen. So what is your role in

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Speaker 1: covering the actual on field workouts for NFL Network. No,

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Speaker 1: Usually by the time the on field drills start, I'm

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Speaker 1: like cool, Like this is like I can chill. I

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Speaker 1: can go talk to sources, which is what I want

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Speaker 1: to do anyway, and it's all good. This year, I'm

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Speaker 1: actually participating in the coverage of the actual drills, having

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Speaker 1: to bring quote unquote knowledge to the situation, which you know,

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Speaker 1: God help us there, but whatever. So I actually have

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Speaker 1: to like be on the field and report and talk

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Speaker 1: about what guys are doing and talk about offseason storylines

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Speaker 1: and all that. It's gonna be a little different. I'll

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Speaker 1: actually have to pay attention. But I kind of like

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Speaker 1: the combine. I love the draft, so I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to it. That's such a cool thing. So you're almost

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Speaker 1: going to be like a sideline reporter for the workouts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we have Kim Jones who will be their interviewing

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Speaker 1: coaches and talking about, you know, the drills and all that,

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Speaker 1: and I'll be there to talk about the news, you know,

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Speaker 1: the what happened with Tah's medical and who's rising and

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Speaker 1: who's following and who threw well and what it means

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Speaker 1: and all that. A little bit of a different role

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Speaker 1: this year, but it's in primetime and I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna be watching, so it's all good.

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Speaker 1: How is to a tongue of Aloa doing right now

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Speaker 1: in terms of winning the combine medical, which is what

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Speaker 1: he sought to come here and do. Um. I think

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Speaker 1: been you know, Tua and his reps as much as

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Speaker 1: they can, have been pretty transparent about the process. So

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Speaker 1: I didn't really know what to expect coming here. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's been any revelations yet, you know

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Speaker 1: be something We're like, holy call, I can't believe this happened.

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Speaker 1: You know, the three month check came out really good,

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Speaker 1: But you know, like it's it's a medical and there's

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Speaker 1: no way to predict. So someone will have to be

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Speaker 1: taking a risk whenever they take him. But is the

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Speaker 1: talent so great that you're willing to take that risk?

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Speaker 1: While we're talking about quarterbacks, I haven't had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to say this sentence yet today. Joe Burrow's tiny hands,

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Speaker 1: and so this feels like a good time to break

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Speaker 1: that up. I think it might be trending. Um, but

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Speaker 1: in all seriousness, we take these measurements. They measure everything

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Speaker 1: on these guys. Why is that a valuable thing or

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Speaker 1: cool to be like, ah, tiny hands, like who cares,

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Speaker 1: funny stupid scouts. I'm not so sure it's that dumb, honestly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's going to be playing in a place

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Speaker 1: Like you know, how a guy can grip a ball

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Speaker 1: actually matters. He's a quarterback, so you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: But it's a thing. It's a thing, like a lot

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Speaker 1: much harder it's and it's always it's always annoying, honestly,

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Speaker 1: But still like you're overly careful because first of all,

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Speaker 1: So I think that's just sort of what you're careful of.

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Speaker 1: What's there a story that you covered in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: Ian rap report that you were proud of stuff, a

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Speaker 1: It did not affect the season. Breaking that Ryan Tannehill

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Speaker 1: news swirling around right now. It's usually like this. The

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's gonna go. If you would, I would hope

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Speaker 1: I would. He had rappaport. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: Kerwood series XM NFL Radio Moving the Chains. I love

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Speaker 1: listening to your show, and you have great callers, and

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Speaker 1: you have great guests, and you have great information. Do

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny in life. You can think you

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Speaker 1: which show you're on and who you're on with? No,

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Speaker 1: because it's all in different rooms. Okay, that's helpful. Absolutely, yeah,

427
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Speaker 1: I know where to go. No, I mean it's it's

428
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Speaker 1: uh and it's all I mean, everything's different like that.

429
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: Every show wants something different. NFL Live, we dive in

430
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Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, get up as more treetops.

431
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Speaker 1: I think, and we talk about Dak Prescott. I think

432
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Speaker 1: every every day. I think. I keep saying I hope

433
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm there when he signs like, I hope, I hope

434
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Speaker 1: I'm on that show that day because it's been uh

435
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,719
Speaker 1: but it's been great. Yeah, I mean, I don't want

436
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: to get too far into but I mean I was

437
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: a baseball writer at newspapers for fourteen years. I never

438
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: in my wildest dreams imagined TV or even football really,

439
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: so the last ten twelve years have been pretty cool.

440
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: Do the people who are considered the experts at ESPN

441
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Speaker 1: have specific areas of expertise in which they rely on

442
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: you guys on No, And I think not necessarily. I mean, yeah,

443
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: there are such people there, like we'll have Jim Nagie

444
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: that runs a Senior Bowl will work for us, like

445
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: I think, I think it's kind of a seasonal deal

446
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: where he'll do some NFL lives during draft season. And obviously,

447
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, mel Kiper and Todd McShay have the specific

448
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Speaker 1: draft related, you know, role, and we have people on

449
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Speaker 1: our staff that have been in front offices, or have

450
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Speaker 1: been head coaches, or have been players. So I think,

451
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Speaker 1: you know, you gravitate toward that. People in my role

452
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Speaker 1: more like news and information types. But yeah, whatever, I mean,

453
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Speaker 1: I've they've had me host a show. I mean, it's

454
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Speaker 1: just you know what, I'm like the Swiss Army knife guy,

455
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Speaker 1: I guess. So tell me about your journey from being

456
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Speaker 1: a baseball writer to an NFL insider on ESPN. Well,

457
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Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately, I think you know, people know what's

458
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: going on in the newspaper industry, right. So in two

459
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, I'm working for the Newark Star Ledger

460
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Speaker 1: covering the Yankee covering baseball Yankees and Mets, and they

461
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: bought out half the staff, so I took a buyout offer,

462
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: and the job I got next was at a place

463
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: called aol FanHouse. They were hiring a bunch of writers

464
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: at that time, but the job they had was a

465
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Speaker 1: football job, and I had done a little bit back

466
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Speaker 1: when I started out in Florida when I was a

467
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach and I'd done some Dolphins stuff as a backup.

468
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Speaker 1: So they offered me that job and I got into it.

469
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Speaker 1: And then that only lasted two years because it was

470
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Speaker 1: bloated and they were spending too much money, and the

471
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Speaker 1: new CEO blew the whole thing up. But by that

472
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Speaker 1: point I had done enough a little bit here and

473
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Speaker 1: there TV with ESPN, so I had made some friends

474
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Speaker 1: and then I was able to position myself. I guess

475
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Speaker 1: where when they had a job opening, they called me.

476
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Speaker 1: It was the NFC East blog. They used to have

477
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Speaker 1: a blog for each of the eight divisions. So I

478
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: got that job. And then two years later they went

479
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Speaker 1: to the thirty two team model. They put me on

480
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Speaker 1: the Giants, which was the closest team to my house,

481
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: which was nice of them. And then at that time

482
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Speaker 1: they started a show called NFL Insiders, which ran four years,

483
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: and that was where I kind of got my real

484
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Speaker 1: sort of regular TV break. I guess they started using

485
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Speaker 1: me on that. When that show end, they they're using

486
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Speaker 1: me on NFL Live in Sports Center and whatever else

487
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Speaker 1: is going on. So it's been fun outside of all

488
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: the CBA discussion, what's the most intriguing NFL storyline right now?

489
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: To Dan Graziano, I think quarterbacks. I think it's it's

490
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: it's this bizarre offseason where there's this many free agent quarterbacks,

491
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: big name free agent quarterbacks. I think there's the potential

492
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Speaker 1: for a lot of kind of status quo, but there's

493
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Speaker 1: also potential for chaos, right like if Tom Brady leaves

494
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: New England, Like we're in an all bets are off situation, right,

495
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean, so I think I think you could look

496
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: and see you can get to ten or twelve teams

497
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: that you can look and say they're probably gonna have

498
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: different starting quarterbacks next year. And I think that's fascinating.

499
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: What's Brady gonna do? Is there a market for Philip Rivers?

500
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: You know? Or is Tennessee gonna bring back Tannehill? Are

501
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: going a different direct? I mean, like all kinds of stuff.

502
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: That guy's former number one, number two overall picks, and

503
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston and Marcus Mariota. We don't know where they're

504
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: going to end up. So I think the fact that

505
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: it's quarterback and that you usually don't see a lot

506
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks involved in the free agent market, I think

507
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: that makes us an unusual year of the twenty nineteen season.

508
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Speaker 1: We saw a lot of different stories unfolding in twenty nineteen.

509
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Speaker 1: What specifically grabbed your attention in twenty nineteen season, Yeah, hmm,

510
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: let me think. I'm trying to think I did a bunch.

511
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think where I was. I did a

512
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: bunch of forty nine er games in the second half.

513
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: I think them they were fascinated bouncing. I mean, to

514
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Speaker 1: be four and twelve and to bounce back and be

515
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: that dominant. So they you know, five first round picks

516
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 1: in the defensive front seven, so it seemed like Nick

517
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: Bosa kind of unlocked everyone else and then that thing

518
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: just kind of popped when they got the quarterback back healthy.

519
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean yeah, I think the kind of

520
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: maybe the decline of the Patriots a little bit. I know,

521
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: we don't want to stay decline because then they'll bounce

522
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Speaker 1: back and win the next three Super Bowls on us,

523
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: but just the fact that they weren't kind of the

524
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Speaker 1: team that we have been used to seeing them be

525
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. So I think I think that

526
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: was interesting to follow us the year went along, and

527
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Speaker 1: I mean individual stuff, I mean, your team was I

528
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: went to two two Nashville games. One was the Chiefs game,

529
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: which was crazy, and then one was the Saints game

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00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: where Henry sat out, which turned out to be a

531
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: really smart move. But it was fun to see that team,

532
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, as the second half went along kind of

533
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: build and you know, I don't know, I don't know

534
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: that there's one dominant storyline. I can remember as they

535
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: bounced me from game to game every single week, and

536
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm not usually on one consistent run with a team,

537
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: which is good. I don't know whether I'm you know,

538
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: I have like an attention deficit situation or what, but

539
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: I kind of like the variety everywhere that Amy and

540
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: I go. Right now, every question is about Derrick Henry.

541
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: Are the Titans gonna resigned? Derek Henry? And I think

542
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: we're overwhelmed at the amount of national attention that this

543
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: story is even getting. Should we be surprised? No, I

544
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: think because running backs weird. I mean, like these the

545
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: big running back contracts that have been given out the

546
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: last couple of years, people aren't thrilled with him. You know,

547
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: David Johnson Arizona is really not using anymore. Todd Gurley

548
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: has had injury issues. Ezekiel Eli had had a good year,

549
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: but I mean one year on the big contract. So

550
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: I think, you know, if you're Derek Henry and you

551
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: want to cash in, are you entering a market where teams,

552
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: including your own, are reluctant to do that for you?

553
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: And I think running back's tough. And I'm looking at

554
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: Henry's situation thinking, I mean, like, just from a cold

555
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: management perspective, he's kind of made for the franchise tag

556
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Speaker 1: like I would franchise him this year and had franchise

557
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Speaker 1: him next year because he had a guy that almost

558
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: had four hundred touches And obviously he's a different kind

559
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: of guy. I'm watching highlights of him right now. He's

560
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: incredible to watch. But you know, he gets hit a lot, right,

561
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: and how long can you bank on it lasting? So

562
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: maybe he's a special guy. Maybe he's a different guy

563
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: the last But if you're a team trying to make

564
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: that long term bet, it can be a little could

565
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: be a little scary at that position. Why didn't A J.

566
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Speaker 1: Brown win Rookie of the Year. I think it was

567
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: who won it? A quarterback? Yeah, I think that's one

568
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: of your answers. So games, Yeah, no, I hear you.

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Speaker 1: I think a J. People were probably too slow on

570
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Speaker 1: the uptake in terms of what he was doing. I think,

571
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, it was really a lot of December, November

572
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: and December, especially December stuff, right. I mean he was

573
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: a nice pick up for me in fantasy football, Like

574
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed when did you get him? You know, right

575
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: around like right around Thanksgiving? Perfect? Yeah, So that was good.

576
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: So I look ahead and maybe keep him next year.

577
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: But um, but I think, yeah, yeah, he had a

578
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: couple I don't want to get into that right now,

579
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: disappointing finish, but I think, you know, look, he's a

580
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: that team, you know, isn't necessarily a you know, one

581
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Speaker 1: of the bigger, you know, attention markets in terms of

582
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: relative to others. But uh, and of course the reputation

583
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: is that they were a running team. I think when

584
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: you went to their games, you saw their games, you

585
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: saw the difference he was able to make. When you

586
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: talked to people on the coaching staff, even early in

587
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: the season before his numbers really popped, they were talking

588
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: them and they loved the guy, and they're talking about

589
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: the contributions he was making weren't showing up in the

590
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: stats in the box score. So he had a couple

591
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: of games where he kind of looked in visiting the

592
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Speaker 1: Kansas City game. He didn't do anything in that game, right,

593
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Speaker 1: But I mean that because Kansas City decided he wouldn't,

594
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: and so they decided they had to go to Humphries

595
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: or whoever else was going to make plays for them.

596
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: So I think it's a combination of he doesn't play quarterback,

597
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't play in one of the league's biggest markets,

598
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: and I think it was kind of late in the

599
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: season before people kind of got wind of what exactly

600
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: he was doing. You mentioned it earlier that there are

601
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Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks who are kind of on the

602
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: move this year or could potentially be on the move.

603
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: In your heart of hearts, deep in your gut, deep

604
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Speaker 1: in your soul, do you think Tom Brady ends up

605
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Speaker 1: playing for a different team in twenty twenty. I think

606
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Speaker 1: if I had to bet yes or no, I would

607
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: bet no. I'd say he's going back to the Patriots.

608
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: But I'm not confident about it. I just you know,

609
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: if you're making me pick one side, that's what I'd take,

610
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: because it seems to make so much sense. All I

611
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: know about Tom Brady is he wants to be a

612
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: free agent. He's excited to be a free agent. That

613
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: means talking to and listening to other teams, and if

614
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: he finds out that the grass is not greener than

615
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: maybe he goes back. But there is a definite chance

616
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Speaker 1: that he leaves. And I'm not all the way sure that,

617
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: like people in New England have their arms around that

618
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: just yet, I think there's absolutely a chance that he

619
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: plays for another team next year. I wish I could

620
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: tell you which one it's going to be. If he does,

621
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Speaker 1: can you make a sports comparison to him in another uniform? Well,

622
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: let's see. I mean, you know, he wasn't a quarterback,

623
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: but I mean I remember Jerry Rice playing for the

624
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: Raiders at the end, but a bunch of Niners went

625
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: other players, that's true. I remember Willie May's plan for

626
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: the Mets. I mean I don't remember it, but I

627
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: know what happened. Um, you know, Babe Ruth played for

628
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: the Boston Braves, right, you know, I mean that that's

629
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: probably it, right. I mean, there have been a lot,

630
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: but he was he was done. That's the thing, like

631
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: is Brady. Brady's probably gonna go somewhere and help somebody

632
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: run next year. So I'm trying to think what the comparison.

633
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Montana and the Chiefs, right, Montana

634
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs. Of course, Joe had been hurt, right,

635
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: and and Steve Young had taken over. It wasn't like

636
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: he departed still on a playoff team. And same thing

637
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning and the Colts. He got hurt or

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Speaker 1: else he would have probably finished his career here. So um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've seen it, but usually unusual circumstances, not like the

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Speaker 1: guy I just decides he doesn't want to be there anymore,

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Speaker 1: which again I don't know if he has decided that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he will decide that, but it's

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Speaker 1: definitely possible. But all this drama is good for business.

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Speaker 1: Love it. I was disappointed when Breeze announced he was

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Speaker 1: coming back because I saw you. You want that. You

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Speaker 1: want the chaos, right, you want it like it's it's

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Speaker 1: I think it's fun. I think the league likes it too.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you talk about offseason transactions and who's

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Speaker 1: going to go where, and I think I think the

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Speaker 1: league likes the attention being on it in the off season. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know it's the most popular sport when it's in season,

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Speaker 1: but it has a pretty well viewed offseason as well,

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Speaker 1: So this is only going to help with that, all right.

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Speaker 1: Dan Graziano's last opinion. Does the league keep a review

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Speaker 1: element in place for past interference going forward? Yes, I

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Speaker 1: think if they got rid of it completely, they'd have

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Speaker 1: too much resistance from the coaches, which is what happened

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Speaker 1: last March anyway, and how it got through. But I

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Speaker 1: do think there'll be modifications to it, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody really liked the way it worked this year.

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Speaker 1: Follow up, is it in the hands of the sky

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Speaker 1: judge that we're that the coaches watch? I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it'll go that far. It's possible at some

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Speaker 1: point it does, but this office and I still think

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Speaker 1: there's too much resistance on the ownership side to that.

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Speaker 1: So I think you'll see modifications to how it's administered

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Speaker 1: in game, and you'll probably see like behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: instructions given to officials. I'm like, hey, this is how

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Speaker 1: we want this officiated versus how it was officiated last year.

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Speaker 1: So I think you'll see a change, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think it'll be that dramatic. Dan Graziano, ESPN, thanks for

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Speaker 1: your time, my pleasure. That's gonna do it for the

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