WEBVTT - George Conway & Dr. Abdul El-Sayed

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds and a shocking new poll from Atlas

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<v Speaker 1>Intel has Marco Rubio at forty five percent compared to JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Evans at thirty percent in the twenty twenty eight Republican

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<v Speaker 1>primary polling. We have such a great show for you today.

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<v Speaker 1>New York's twelfth District's congressional candidate George Conway Stopspy to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Trump's derangemental state. Then we'll talk to Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>Senate candidate in the Democratic primary, Doctor Abdul al said

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<v Speaker 1>about why he is the right candidate for Senate in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>But first the news, Sami.

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<v Speaker 2>We have had some wage games in this country because

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<v Speaker 2>we've had a great run of the economy for quite

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, and the inflation of Donald Trump's presidency

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<v Speaker 2>has wiped them all up.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this is the line I would say, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has made inflation higher. The guy who you elected to

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<v Speaker 1>make inflation lower has made it higher. And how has

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<v Speaker 1>he done it well? It has taken a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stupid over the last eighteen months to get here. But

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<v Speaker 1>what has he done. He's done tariffs, which are inflationary,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that might have been okay. But my man

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<v Speaker 1>did the thing that every other president has known not

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<v Speaker 1>to do since Bill Clinton, which is he went to

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<v Speaker 1>war with Iran. And Iran as everyone knew, they would

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<v Speaker 1>close the straits, and the straits are closed. And now

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<v Speaker 1>oil and gas are about a dollar and change more

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<v Speaker 1>expensive in the United States. And don't get me started

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<v Speaker 1>on diesel. This is exactly what everyone said would happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to rephrase this because I think it's so important.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump does exactly the thing that everyone says not to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't put your hand to the stove, don't go to

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<v Speaker 1>war with Iran. It's very expensive. They have a much

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<v Speaker 1>higher pain tolerance than you do. As we've seen. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous country, eighty million people. This is like going

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<v Speaker 1>to war with California if California had nothing to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>And these inflationary numbers are what we should expect. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was higher than wages, which means that wages grew

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<v Speaker 1>three point six percent, but it didn't matter because the

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<v Speaker 1>inflation z point two percent higher than that, which means

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<v Speaker 1>you may have gotten more money, but your gas is,

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<v Speaker 1>as all of us know, quite a bit more expensive

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<v Speaker 1>at the pump. We are heading into summer. Summer is

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<v Speaker 1>the time when Americans get in their car and take vacations.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also the time when richer Americans get on airplanes

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<v Speaker 1>and take vacations. Airplane tickets, if you haven't noticed, are

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<v Speaker 1>more expensive because jet fuel is this most expensive kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fuel. It's from diesel, so they are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be even more expensive than filling up your tank with gas.

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<v Speaker 1>It is just a perfect storm. We are heading out

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<v Speaker 1>into the summer. People are going to be mad. And

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump did this, and they understand that he did

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<v Speaker 1>this because he could not even come up with any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of way to sell this war to the American people,

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<v Speaker 1>so he just did it. And now the American people

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<v Speaker 1>are mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me back you up with some data here at

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<v Speaker 2>less Intel Pulling, which is one of the most reliable

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<v Speaker 2>pollsters to pull on do items cost less under Biden

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<v Speaker 2>or Trump? Nearly every single item, beef, electricity, coffee, gas, chicken, bread, milk,

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<v Speaker 2>your house, bananas, eggs almost double on nearly every item

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<v Speaker 2>people say it costs less under Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because it did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, But It shows that their whole press

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<v Speaker 2>strategy is don't believe your lying eyes, and people are

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<v Speaker 2>believing their truthful eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it goes back to this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>I often talk about with Gourbidal, who was someone I

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<v Speaker 1>knew growing up, who was this very smart thinker, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had this theory of the case that the American

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<v Speaker 1>people have no memory, that we are the United States

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<v Speaker 1>of Amnesia. We know nothing, we remember nothing. Everything goes

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<v Speaker 1>so quickly for us. But the reality is that even

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<v Speaker 1>we can keep six months in our head. Trump's been

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<v Speaker 1>present for eighteen months, and during that time, prices have

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<v Speaker 1>gone up. You know, there's one thing that voters really hate.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like literally one thing they hate. It's like going

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<v Speaker 1>to the grocery store with the same amount of money

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to buyize food. And so that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we are here. This has the generic with Democrats up

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen points, and that is like carnage for Republicans.

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<v Speaker 2>So the way Republicans are counteracting that, of course, is

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<v Speaker 2>by jerrymandering everything to hell, and the Supreme Court is

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<v Speaker 2>their William Ablers.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, the Supreme Court has decided to be just completely partisan.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that does not mean the entire Supreme Court, because

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<v Speaker 1>there are three liberal justices on this court and they

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<v Speaker 1>are as you and I vote know. It's so to

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<v Speaker 1>my Air is the one who I think speaks the

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<v Speaker 1>most forcefully. But Brown Jackson does too. She basically ripped

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<v Speaker 1>her own cord for their inappropriate decision on Alabama. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what's happening Republicans in the Supreme Court. The six

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<v Speaker 1>to three conservative majority has killed the Voting Rights Act,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they are signing off on all of this

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<v Speaker 1>last minute jerry mandering of seat here, a seat there.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump thinks a seat here and a seat there will

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<v Speaker 1>save him from losing the House and getting impeached. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>I think Trump may be in more trouble than any things.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is what is happening here, and the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court is going along with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So what goes hand in hand with this is the

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court's decision on the Voting Rights Act. And we've

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<v Speaker 2>been talking about how Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry has been

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<v Speaker 2>a willing participant, but man, this sixty minutes interview with

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<v Speaker 2>him the other night really really showed the egregiousness of

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<v Speaker 2>all this.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people who followed the law think that

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<v Speaker 1>you should not stop the voting during a primary. So

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<v Speaker 1>the voting had already started, but Landry was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to make my man Donald Trump happy. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to redistrict even though people are voting. And so

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<v Speaker 1>what is he doing. He's throwing out these forty five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand ballots. Now, it is a big deal because it's

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<v Speaker 1>anti democratic, but it's also a big deal because it

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<v Speaker 1>shows that the Louisiana governor does not give a fuck

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<v Speaker 1>about his voters. And look, we're seeing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans go on sixty minutes. We saw I mean a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Republicans by a lot of Republicans. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin net Yahoo was on sixty minutes this week. It's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because I was watching that interview with Major Garrett.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of really good journalists still at CBS,

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<v Speaker 1>even though CBS has now basically been taken over by

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<v Speaker 1>its oraitarians, and so it's very interesting to watch them.

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<v Speaker 3>But according to reporting today, not for long.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh are they all getting fired?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the week that today.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I was out of commission this morning, but I

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<v Speaker 1>would not be surprised to hear they were all getting fired.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, the last gasps of journalism still live at

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<v Speaker 1>CBS for now, and watching Major Garrett try to push

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<v Speaker 1>back pretty interesting. It's worth watching that Net and Yahoo interview.

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<v Speaker 1>It's certainly worth wondering why the prime minister of another

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<v Speaker 1>country is weighing in on our government. I don't wonder

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<v Speaker 1>because I know what's happening here, and it's just really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to watch who is on CBS right now and

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<v Speaker 1>who is not.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the interesting things is, you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>can try to play around and be like, oh, polls

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<v Speaker 2>aren't always accurate, even though they've been much more accurately

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly for the most part. But one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that's always interesting is data. And what we now see

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<v Speaker 2>is that twenty percent of Americans who are using Obamacare

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<v Speaker 2>now don't have it anymore thanks to the subsidies expiring

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<v Speaker 2>and other factors.

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<v Speaker 1>And we talked about this. I actually did a video

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<v Speaker 1>on this for MS Now. This is very easy to

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<v Speaker 1>see coming a million miles away. Basically, we knew this

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<v Speaker 1>was going to happen again the last government shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats did it. I know we're not supposed to say that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's true, and they know it's true, and they

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<v Speaker 1>say it to be true too, because they were worried

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<v Speaker 1>about people losing their healthcare. They were worried that twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Americans would lose their health care. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're seeing, a twenty percent decline in enrollment in

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<v Speaker 1>thirty states. That's because now Obamacare is, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple thousand dollars more expensive. There's a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>and that gas prices, food prices, healthcare prices. Like something's

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<v Speaker 1>got to give, and people are giving up their healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>And while that is cheaper on the short term and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly cheaper than not eating, it, ultimately will trickle down

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<v Speaker 1>to crowded ers and hospitals that are overstretched and all

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<v Speaker 1>of the things we saw before Obamacare. So this sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember this was all because of Dode because Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>wanted attack cut and wanted that money for whatever they're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, arms and bombing things. And so here we are,

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<v Speaker 1>and look you have this going well. On the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the split screen, you have Pete Hagsath bragging

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<v Speaker 1>about how expensive this war is. We're spending like gonna

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<v Speaker 1>spend probably a trillion dollars fighting with the country that

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<v Speaker 1>we literally had a deal with about the nukes. So

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump yet again making crisises that did not exist. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Molly john Fast here. My memoir How to Lose

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<v Speaker 1>It's a memoir that continues to resonate, so please pick

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<v Speaker 1>it up. George Conway is a candidate in the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>primary in New York's twelfth congressional district. Welcome, Welcome, George Conway.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me once again. For the million

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<v Speaker 4>of the time, I will always It's always like a

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<v Speaker 4>New Spring.

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<v Speaker 3>Show.

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<v Speaker 1>So last night you may have had a fun night

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<v Speaker 1>last night, but you know who did not sleep before

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<v Speaker 1>going to China in a position of not strength. You

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<v Speaker 1>went awarein China.

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<v Speaker 4>Heina.

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<v Speaker 1>My man is going to China with every rich person

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<v Speaker 1>in America basically and all the CEOs, including Elon mush.

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<v Speaker 1>But last night he posted fifty five times in three hours.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the leader of the free world, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how free we are. But he started

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<v Speaker 1>at ten fifteen, as one does, accusing Obama of a

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<v Speaker 1>coup in twenty sixteen. You'll remember he won in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so that is an interesting coup. Then ten fifteen again,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's all. The same minute says Obama works with

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA to overthrow Trump. Repost tweets saying Obama is

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<v Speaker 1>Trader and he should be arrested. Ten twenty two, So

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<v Speaker 1>seven minutes later at Tacks Dominion voting system for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty elections says they switch votes again. Ten twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>says Fulton County, Georgia had twenty twenty fraud exposed there

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<v Speaker 1>not true. Ten to twenty three accuses Obama of making

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty million from Obamacare. That there are

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<v Speaker 1>about fifty other times he tweeted, but I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>you to get a flavor of what happened last night.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to go out on a limb and say

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<v Speaker 4>something really bluntly. The President of the United States is

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<v Speaker 4>deeply mentally ill. I know it's shocking for you to

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<v Speaker 4>hear me say that, and it's just something I've been

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<v Speaker 4>fearing for years to address, as you know, but he

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<v Speaker 4>is mentally ill.

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<v Speaker 1>Feels to me, as someone who has spent the last decade.

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<v Speaker 4>Writing about how the Pride, writing and talking about how

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<v Speaker 4>the president is mentally ill, right.

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<v Speaker 1>From my thirties when I was young, to my forties

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<v Speaker 1>now cruising into fifty. What it feels like to me

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<v Speaker 1>is that he has all and actually said this on

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<v Speaker 1>television when we were talking about the push the way

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<v Speaker 1>Trump treats female journalists versus the way he treated women

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen, which was like bad but sort of

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose, and now he sort of lashes out. It

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<v Speaker 1>strikes me that Trump has less frontal lobe kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ability to resist doing the crazy stuff than he did

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<v Speaker 1>a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, No, that's absolutely true, and he's absolutely more disinhibited

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<v Speaker 4>than ever before, which would be the term I think

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<v Speaker 4>that yes, neuropsychologists and neuropsychiatrists would use. But the fundamental,

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<v Speaker 4>the fundamental impulses are still there. I mean, if you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as I have been chirping about since about twenty eighteen publicly,

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<v Speaker 4>you go through the diagnostic criteria in the Diagnostic and

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<v Speaker 4>Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders addition the fifth edition, he

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<v Speaker 4>is clearly, among other things, I mean, he clearly has

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<v Speaker 4>narcissistic personality disorder. In fact, he's got basically all nine

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<v Speaker 4>of the criteria. You could have written the criteria for him,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's got the you know, he's got more than

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<v Speaker 4>sufficient numbers of criteria for, if not all, the criteria

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<v Speaker 4>for antisocial personality disorder or sociopopy. He's a narcissistic sociopath.

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<v Speaker 4>So he spends his time convincing himself that he's been wronged,

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<v Speaker 4>that he is the greatest thing and the only thing

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<v Speaker 4>that matters in the world, and that when things don't

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<v Speaker 4>go his way, it's because people are conspiring against him,

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<v Speaker 4>they are jealous against them, and there's absolutely some paranoia

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<v Speaker 4>in there. But of course, if the more you are

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<v Speaker 4>obnoxious to people, the more they do dislike you. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he has been able, to some not great extent,

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<v Speaker 4>not show us everything he thinks at any given moment

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<v Speaker 4>because people have told him you can't do that, and

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<v Speaker 4>he understands that if he does on television he will

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<v Speaker 4>get a backlash. But again, he's more disinhibited than ever

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<v Speaker 4>because he's aging. He is clearly not as sharp as

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<v Speaker 4>he was in prior years ago. I frankly don't think

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<v Speaker 4>he was ever that sharp. And of course he has

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<v Speaker 4>managed to get rid of all the people who could

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<v Speaker 4>possibly tell him, dude, that you can't do this. And

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<v Speaker 4>and then of course he clearly is hypo manic. He

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't get much sleep, and he's more anxious than ever

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<v Speaker 4>before because everything he's done thus far to make himself

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<v Speaker 4>the greatest thing in the world to make himself. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>the most important person in the universe is failing. And

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<v Speaker 4>he knows that. And he knows deep down, even though

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<v Speaker 4>he tweets out things like oh, the polls are great

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<v Speaker 4>like never before, and the oh gas prices are going down,

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<v Speaker 4>and oh, we won the war against Iran. Deep down

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<v Speaker 4>he knows that's all bullshit. But deep down he knows

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<v Speaker 4>that he is looking at a democratic Congress if he

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't manage to somehow steal the election, which he is

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<v Speaker 4>talking about because he's talking about putting people troops essentially

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<v Speaker 4>to enforce election integrity or whatever that that.

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<v Speaker 3>The other day.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have the exact quote, so he is you know,

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<v Speaker 4>this is this is like the movie Downfall, right, I've

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<v Speaker 4>always you've heard me talk about the movie Downfall before

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<v Speaker 4>the last ten days of the furor Bunker. This is

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<v Speaker 4>what happens when a narcissistic as sociopath is cornered. They

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<v Speaker 4>become more desperate, more delusional, and more dangerous. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>where Donald Trump is. And that's why I say and

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<v Speaker 4>I say it, you know, it's part of my campaign

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<v Speaker 4>stick But I've been saying this all along that He's

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<v Speaker 4>only going to get worse, not better. And the most

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<v Speaker 4>important thing to remember for our current circumstance is that

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<v Speaker 4>we cannot survive thirty two months more of what we've

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<v Speaker 4>seen over the last sixteen, not only because what we've

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<v Speaker 4>seen over the last sixteen, if you keep adding on

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<v Speaker 4>to it at the same rate, is terrible and dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's done enormous damage to the country, enormous

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<v Speaker 4>damage to its economy, and normous damage to its standing

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<v Speaker 4>in the world. But he's going to accelerate in his

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<v Speaker 4>bizarre t dellusion, and it's going to get get much worse,

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<v Speaker 4>which is why I'm talking about impeach. And we can't survive,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's going to get worse, and even the Republicans

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<v Speaker 4>are going to have no choice but to face up

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<v Speaker 4>to the fact that for the sake of the country,

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<v Speaker 4>if not for their own sake, depending on how many

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<v Speaker 4>of them are left after November, if there's a free

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<v Speaker 4>and fair election, they have to join with us to

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<v Speaker 4>get rid of it too.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about a wrinkle that I did

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<v Speaker 1>not see coming, which as someone who has been gaming

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<v Speaker 1>this out for the last decade, a wrinkle that I

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<v Speaker 1>did not see coming was that Donald Trump would absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>crater with Republicans. I did not think, like I actually

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<v Speaker 1>thought he would just go in there and play golf

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<v Speaker 1>and let the economy run on the tax cuts. And

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<v Speaker 1>I did not think he would go in there and

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of really destructive I thought he did

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<v Speaker 1>destructive stuff, but I didn't know that he would like

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<v Speaker 1>be able to raise past prices a dollar and a half.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me tell you this, I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 4>point of disagreement between us. Right. You listen to what

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<v Speaker 4>I was saying in twenty twenty four, I think. I

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<v Speaker 4>remember I said it a couple of times, very very directly.

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<v Speaker 4>I said it once on the comedy channel. He's just

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<v Speaker 4>going to do everything. It's going to get much, much worse.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember a friend of mine said to me,

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<v Speaker 4>a journalist said to me, well, how could he possibly

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<v Speaker 4>be worse? And I said, he's going to get worse.

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<v Speaker 4>These people can't help themselves. They can't turn themselves off

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<v Speaker 4>the glory, glorification, and the power is never enough. They

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<v Speaker 4>are continually hunt, thirsting for ward. He can't go out

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<v Speaker 4>and shut up and play golf. He has to be

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<v Speaker 4>He has an infinite narcissistic thirst that can't possibly be satisfied,

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<v Speaker 4>and so he has to keep doing things he's he's

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<v Speaker 4>maniacally to empower himself, and he does this in an

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<v Speaker 4>impulsive way, in an I'm thinking kind of way, and in

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<v Speaker 4>a way that's self destructive, and that's what he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to keep doing, and it's going to be much much worse,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's going to do much more damage to us.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the things that I think people haven't a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people haven't learned, is that there is no

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<v Speaker 4>bottom with this guy. You cannot He keeps going down, down, down,

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<v Speaker 4>until you know, unless he's physically in pacitated, he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to get mentally worse, and at some point he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to lose everybody, including the people who work for him.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just it's just a matter of time. And the

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<v Speaker 4>question is do we hasten that process or we just

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<v Speaker 4>let it play out passively. And I think we have

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<v Speaker 4>to hasten that process because the faster we get to

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<v Speaker 4>the climactic moment here of getting him out of office,

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<v Speaker 4>the less damage he can do. And that's why I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's so important to start talking about impeachment and

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<v Speaker 4>removal right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I agree, but I also like the gas prices

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<v Speaker 1>is an unforced error, like Americans hate high gas prices,

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<v Speaker 1>like that, I grew up in the I was born

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventies. Like, if there's one thing I understand

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<v Speaker 1>from being born in the seventies, it's like Americans want

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to get gas, and they want to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get it cheaply. The truckers voted in

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<v Speaker 1>huge numbers for Trump. They are now trying to get diesel,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so expensive. It's historically expensive. So for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, over the last decade of this conversation, we

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<v Speaker 1>have wondered if anyone would ever break with Trump in

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<v Speaker 1>the MAGA crew. But it does seem like at least

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<v Speaker 1>Republican leaning indies are no longer on the Trump train.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think exactly right. I think that's true. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think there are a lot of Republicans who will

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<v Speaker 4>not declare themselves to be independent. I think deep down

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<v Speaker 4>they've had it with Trump as well. I think one

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<v Speaker 4>of the things that will happen. What happens is approval

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<v Speaker 4>ratings are somewhat misleading. This is my theory. Again, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't prove it because you have to administer sodium pentathal

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<v Speaker 4>to basically all the respondents. But I think that when

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<v Speaker 4>people are asked if they support Donald Trump, if they

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<v Speaker 4>are a Trumper, a mega person, a Republican, they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to say yes, do they approve Yes, even if deep

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<v Speaker 4>down they're having graved doubts because it's part of their identity.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't want to admit error. The fact that the

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<v Speaker 4>people on the margins are splitting off is very very

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<v Speaker 4>bad for Trump. And the fact that there are people

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<v Speaker 4>who have, you know, who have previously supported him loudly,

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<v Speaker 4>are making who are making noises about the twenty fifth

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<v Speaker 4>Amendment and so on and so forth, is is really,

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<v Speaker 4>is really really something And I think.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Alex Jones and Jones I mean, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was I tweeted something the other day.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I retweeted Tim Miller saying something about Trump and

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<v Speaker 4>was then subsequently retweeted by Megan Kelly. Yeah, okay, I

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<v Speaker 4>mean you were seeing some very very interesting turnarounds. Look,

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<v Speaker 4>some people who have just basically they they they are

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<v Speaker 4>either they've either seen enough or they're close to have

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<v Speaker 4>seen been seeing seeing enough. And I think what the

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<v Speaker 4>problem is going to be that. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 4>what's going to happen is ultimately all of this turn

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<v Speaker 4>on the United States Senate and the cowards and the

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<v Speaker 4>Republican Senate. And I've always said, and I've probably said

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<v Speaker 4>it fifty times on your show, you can never ever

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<v Speaker 4>lose money betting on the spinelessess of Republican senators, right right, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>the spinelessness of Republican senators when they are afraid of

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is what enables them, what keeps them in office.

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<v Speaker 4>Sooner or later, that spinelessness is going to push them

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<v Speaker 4>the other way, because they're going to be afraid of

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<v Speaker 4>all the people who are now really really unhappy with

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<v Speaker 4>this guy. And at that some point they're going to

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<v Speaker 4>say enough, if only to save their own skin, it

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<v Speaker 4>should be to save the country, and it should be

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<v Speaker 4>because it's the right thing to do. But I do

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<v Speaker 4>think we're going to get to the point where it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be untenable for Republican senators who will be

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<v Speaker 4>in the minority. I believe after January third, for a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of Republican senators to maintain the position that Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump should still.

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<v Speaker 3>Be private, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what's interesting about This idea is that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't break with Trump because of morality, and they don't

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 1>break with Trump because of democracy. They break with Trump

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<v Speaker 1>because the polling is so bad that they know they

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<v Speaker 1>can't get re elected if they stay Maga right.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was always the calculus with them. They decided

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<v Speaker 4>to dispense with morality, they decided to dispense with their honor,

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<v Speaker 4>they decided to dispense with decency, they decided to dispense

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<v Speaker 4>with the truth because they felt that their political survival

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<v Speaker 4>depended on doing that. Once they think their political survival

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<v Speaker 4>depends on throwing Trump overboard, they will do it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>out of the same fear that has driven them to

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<v Speaker 4>support Trump and enable Trump all these years.

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<v Speaker 1>And when that happens, the idea is that Democrats will

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<v Speaker 1>have their shit together enough to have an impeachment going

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<v Speaker 1>that gets the Senate correct.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's you know, as you may know, I'm running

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<v Speaker 4>for public office. I'm running for the House, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>basically my theory, and that's the reason why I'm running.

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<v Speaker 4>To push that process and to make sure it happens

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<v Speaker 4>faster rather than slower, and that people and that people

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<v Speaker 4>don't in a sort of defeatst way say we can't

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<v Speaker 4>do it.

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<v Speaker 5>We can't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>No matter how things bad things get, because I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's just I think that's that's a cop out. B.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's bad for the country. C. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's cowardly, and D it's just the wrong thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's stupid for surviving as a country. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that as we watch this moment unfold that Democrats because

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing a lot of like this redistricting, the Voting

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<v Speaker 1>Rights Act. I mean, this was pretty crazy what came

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<v Speaker 1>out in Supreme Court last week. You know, no more

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<v Speaker 1>minority majority districts than a redraw. Well in some states

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<v Speaker 1>will primaries primary voters were voting. I wonder like it

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<v Speaker 1>does feel like Democrats are unable. You know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is so outside of the norms, and Democrats seem

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<v Speaker 1>unable to fight back in the same kind of way. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe again, you know that we do have one party

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<v Speaker 1>that does respect the role of law and one party

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't. And so I'm not saying I'm not criticizing

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats for this, because I know this is an impossible situation,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm more just what's your take on this?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you packed the lot into that answer. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I think ultimately we have to get through a system

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<v Speaker 4>where there is no racial jerrymandering and there is no

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<v Speaker 4>political gerrymandering, and where districts are set by you know,

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<v Speaker 4>criteria that is neutral both as to race into politics,

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<v Speaker 4>and unfortunately we're not there.

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<v Speaker 1>And the whole idea on an obvious artisan drawn lines

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<v Speaker 1>is insane.

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<v Speaker 4>It is insane. It's all insane. I think the Democrats

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<v Speaker 4>have been doing what they have to do to play self,

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 4>to play defense against people who are changing the rules

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 4>in the middle of the game. But at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the day, I don't think it's going to make

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<v Speaker 4>a difference, because, first of all, I think things are

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<v Speaker 4>getting have gotten to the point that they're so bad

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 4>that Trump would lose no matter how you drew The

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 4>Republicans will lose no matter how you draw these districts.

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<v Speaker 4>And I actually think that in some cases talking to

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<v Speaker 4>some people who know more about it than me, like

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<v Speaker 4>I say Mike Madrid, who's an expert in the Hispanic

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<v Speaker 4>vote the gerrymandering, that some of the political gerrymandering, which

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<v Speaker 4>I know is borderline, has probably raced jerry mandering. Also

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 4>that the Republicans have been doing in places like Texas

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<v Speaker 4>may actually hurt them, right, because what you're doing, the

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<v Speaker 4>way what you do to redistrict, if you're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>help yourself, is you want to spread your voters among

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:58.360
<v Speaker 4>more districts. But if you spread your voters among more districts,

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 4>that means you're making your margins in some districts smaller.

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<v Speaker 1>And so most people going on a twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>Map correct and you're counting on say, very strong showing

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 4>among Hispanics in Texas, you know, and that's the assumption

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.719
<v Speaker 4>by which you've drawn the map. Then you have effectively

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 4>what people are calling it now, dummymanded yourself because you're

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 4>actually spreading out blue voters and not red voters. And

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, you could actually compound an electoral loss by

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 4>trying to redistrict a state in your favor. So there

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 4>are a lot of things here. This is, you know,

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of This is all very complex and

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 4>multi dimensional about deals with demographics, It deals with voter attitudes,

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 4>It deals with different segments of the population going different

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 4>ways in terms of how they're responding to the economic

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 4>and political environment. And I think that the bottom line is,

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<v Speaker 4>even if the Republicans managed to take back one of

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<v Speaker 4>the some one or two of the seats that they

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 4>would have lost under to say, the Virginia Plan is

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 4>not going to help them in the Yet they're still

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 4>not going to have a majority in the House. And

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 4>that's all that matters, because all it takes two hundred

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 4>All it takes is two hundred and eighteen votes to

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<v Speaker 4>impeach president.

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<v Speaker 1>It strikes me that there are Democrats who are not

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<v Speaker 1>craven and ambitious in the way that the Federalist society

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>has been able to be craven and ambitious. They have

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.959
<v Speaker 1>not done the kind of stuff that needed to happen

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>to protect or, you know, our democracy. And I think

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>of and look, it's not their fault. This has been

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 1>a im possible situation. But I just wonder, if you

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 1>were to get to win this seat, like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of frustration at Jeffreys for being a good guy

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and maybe not a killer, do you would you, I mean,

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 1>would you vote to support him? Continuing on?

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<v Speaker 4>In leadership, I'm going to support whoever has the support

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 4>of the majority of Democrats, and I think that's going

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 4>to be leader Jeffries. And I think, you know, I

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 4>think part of the problem is, to the extent there

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 4>is a problem, is that the leader of a caucus

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 4>can't get too far in front of the caucus itself.

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 4>And I'm what I'm hopeful for is that the caucus

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 4>is going to elect more people who want to push harder,

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 4>and that's going to give more running room, and it's

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 4>going to help leader Jeffries go in the direction that

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 4>you and I might like him to go. And so

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 4>I again, I think I think there's I think there's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be a different dynamic on January third, twenty

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 4>twenty seven, if the elections go the way I think

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 4>they're going to go. And I think I understand the

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 4>theory of some Democrats in leadership that in order to

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:02.959
<v Speaker 4>win swing dis stricts you have to stick to the

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 4>economic part and the less talk less about Trump. And

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 4>I think I understand their reasoning because I think that

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 4>when you when when a lot of people hear Democrats

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 4>talk about Trump, they just think, oh, it's more of

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 4>the same, more of these are just leftists and they

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 4>don't like Trump because he's their leftists. And I think

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 4>that's going to change, because I think people are going

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 4>to not like Trump because they're paying six dollars at

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 4>the pump for a ballon for the asoline. And I

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 4>think it's going to change, like I can help change

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 4>it because they can't say that about me because that's

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 4>not my pedigree. All right, I'm here because this guy

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 4>was bad. He's a liar, he's a criminal. He lied

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 4>to you and now he's screwing you over big time

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 4>and making your life more difficult because he's only in

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 4>it for himself. And again that that's sort of that's

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 4>going to be an art. I think that it is

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 4>going to become more and more. We're going to hear more.

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 4>I think democratics, democratic candidates make as they get into

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 4>the November elections as the economy gets in more difficult,

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 4>even if even if they if somehow he managed to

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 4>end the ward turn everything back to the status status

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 4>bohonte in in Iran, you know, there's still going to

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 4>be a shortage of gasoline for months and they are

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.239
<v Speaker 4>not going to go down and things are actually going

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 4>to get worse. So I think that what's going to

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 4>happen is that we're I think the Democrats are if

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 4>they if they play their cards right, if we play

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 4>our cards right. I think the Democratic Party is going

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 4>to be like the Challenging Party. I don't know what

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 4>the name of the party was, but you know my

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 4>Yar's opposition party in Hungary, to explain to the public

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 4>that these guys are are screwing you, they are in

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 4>it for themselves, they don't care about you and their crooks.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 4>And I think that message, at the end of the

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 4>day is going to be the message that people are

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 4>going to just innately realizes the correct message in the

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 4>fact by November. And I think that's going to change

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 4>the complexion of the House. I think it's going to

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.239
<v Speaker 4>change the complexion of the electorate. I think it's going

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 4>to change the complexion of the House majority. And I

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 4>think I think that the leadership of the House is

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 4>going to respond accordingly. And so I think I think,

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 4>I think we're going to end up heading in the

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 4>right direction. And I don't think I don't. I think

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 4>Speaker Jefferies will be able to lead us there.

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<v Speaker 1>George Conway, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Abdul l Sayid is a candidate for the Democratic

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>nomination for Senate in the Great State of Michigan and

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<v Speaker 1>He is the former director of the Department of Health,

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<v Speaker 1>Human and Veteran Services for Wayne County. Welcome, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>fast politics, Molly.

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<v Speaker 5>It's always a privilege to be with you. Thank you

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 5>for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you are running in this very tight, very

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>exciting three way primary in Michigan for the Democratic Senate nomination.

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Let's just go back to your central plank here, which

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.280
<v Speaker 1>is money out of politics and Medicare for all.

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.360
<v Speaker 6>Money out of politics, money in your pocket, and Medicare

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.879
<v Speaker 6>for all. Yeah, so money out of politics. I don't

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 6>take corporate money. I'm the only candidate my race, Democrat

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.399
<v Speaker 6>or Republican who never has and never will. I think

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 6>it is what is corrupting our politics at the outset.

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 6>It's the reason why we pay more for the stuff

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 6>we got to buy, get paid less for the work

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.360
<v Speaker 6>we do. Watch our tax dollars get misappropriated abroad to

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 6>drop bombs and buy tanks for foreign militaries instead of

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 6>investing in you, in your schools, in your healthcare, and

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 6>money in your pocket. We've got to stand with unions.

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 6>We've got a tax billionaires their wealth. We've got to

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 6>enforce our anti oligopoly and anti monopoly policies through the FTC,

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 6>and we've got to stop sending our money over there

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 6>so we can use it over here, and then Medicare

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 6>for All.

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 5>We're the richest, most powerful country in the world.

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 6>There is absolutely no reason why we have a collective

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 6>two hundred and twenty five billion dollars in medical debt,

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 6>which is more than the GDP of half of the

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:20.839
<v Speaker 6>states in this country. We can buy every American out

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 6>of the worry of having to pay for a premium,

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 6>a copay, or a deductive bleth through Medicare for All,

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 6>and I think we should.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have a MD and a PhD that you

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>haven't done your residency, which means that you are still

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:38.720
<v Speaker 1>a doctor, disappointing many on the dumbest line of attack.

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 1>So you're a doctor, so you know what doctors do?

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>How would that shape your Medicare for All? Because like

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of problems when it comes to healthcare

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 1>in this country that involve like you get an MRI

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.240
<v Speaker 1>on eighty sixth Street and it costs a certain amount.

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>You get one on eighty seventh Street and it's half

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the price. Just like structural problems that are making it

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 1>all much more expensive.

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<v Speaker 6>I love this question, Mollie, because the user experience for

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 6>most of us as patients would be that you have

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.959
<v Speaker 6>a Medicare card in your back pocket, and that card

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.240
<v Speaker 6>is good for healthcare wherever you need it. No premium

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 6>meaning the what you pay every two weeks or four

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.399
<v Speaker 6>weeks that goes away. No copay meaning what you pay

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 6>at the point of healthcare, No deductible what you have

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 6>to pay before the health insurance kicks in.

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:24.240
<v Speaker 5>That all goes away.

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 6>It is there for you from cradle to grave, does

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 6>not leave you. If you turn twenty six, or get married,

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 6>get divorced, or get a job, lose a job, or

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.359
<v Speaker 6>turn sixty five. It is there for you, good for

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 6>healthcare whatever you need it. But on the inside of

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 6>the healthcare system it has a number of positive benefits too.

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 5>One of the biggest challenges that.

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 6>We have with our healthcare, as you just mentioned, is

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 6>the fact that there's different prices for the same exact

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 6>healthcare depending upon where you go. And that's because reimbursement

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:53.280
<v Speaker 6>rates get negotiated between big healthcare systems and big health

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 6>insurance companies in a way.

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 5>That's completely opaque.

0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 6>In fact, they call it part of their own trade secrets,

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 6>which is absurd. And if you're a private practice physician

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 6>out there trying to provide healthcare to the public, you're

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 6>getting a worse deal than the large healthcare systems because

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 6>the large healthcare systems ineffect negotiate in bulk, so they

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 6>get way better reimbursement rates. And it's part of the

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 6>reason you actually can't figure out what you're actually going

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 6>to have to pay for the healthcare that.

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 5>You get when you need it.

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 6>And then part of the challenge is that these big

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 6>healthcare systems use their negotiations in effect to squeeze out

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 6>the little guy and buy up their practices or other hospitals.

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 6>It's the reason that we've seen this massive health care consolidation.

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 6>Met Biccare for All would help to address that in

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 6>a lot of ways. There is one price that Medicare

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 6>would pay any provider, so it doesn't matter if you're

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 6>a big healthcare system or you're a private practitioner, you're

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 6>getting the same reimbursement.

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 5>What that means is if you're a private practitioner, you're

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 5>providing better care and patients choose you.

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 6>You can also grow and you can build a business

0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 6>providing healthcare.

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 5>But the other side of that is these huge.

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:06.080
<v Speaker 6>Systems are all reimbursing in a way that always benefits them.

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 6>The goal of our healthcare system should be to provide

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.439
<v Speaker 6>us healthcare, but in the end it ends up being

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 6>to make either a health insurance company, or a hospital

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 6>system or a pharmaceutical money, which means that all that

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.800
<v Speaker 6>money gets funneled out of our back pockets and splayed

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 6>through these huge corporations, and that would end under Medicare

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:21.439
<v Speaker 6>for all.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the questions I have is like, how do

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>you protect doctors, Like, you know, these doctors are being crunched,

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>and that's part of why you know they're being crunched

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>with malpractice, insurance are being you know right now, it's

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.760
<v Speaker 1>like sort of a tough time to be a doctor.

0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>And then I want you to explain like in Canada,

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 1>I have seen and a lot of my Canadian friends

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 1>are actually sort of on the right, so they have

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>shown me things in a way that I think helps

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>their theories of the case. But I have seen that

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you can't have the doctor you want, or you can't

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>like I mean, as someone who is an MDPHD, have

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>you thought out the externalities of this.

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<v Speaker 6>So number one, if you're a doctor right now practicing,

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 6>as a lot of my classmates are, I mean, I

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 6>graduate in medical school in twenty fourteen, that means that

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 6>most of my classmates there, early on in their practice experience.

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:10.879
<v Speaker 5>They're complaining about a couple things.

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<v Speaker 6>Number One, I still haven't paid off my medical debt

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.720
<v Speaker 6>from medical school. There is actually no reason that Medicare

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 6>for All couldn't cover the cost of medical school for

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 6>all graduates work in the system. We already cover the

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 6>cost of postgraduate education in residency.

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And we should because we need more doctors in this country.

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:29.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a public service.

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.359
<v Speaker 5>We need more doctors. But it's also the incentive of

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 5>what kind of doctor you become.

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 6>If you're graduating with three hundred thousand dollars in medical

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 6>debt and you're saying, I could make five hundred thousand

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 6>dollars as a dermatologist or I can make two hundred

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 6>thousand dollars as a pediatrician. Which one do you pick?

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 6>And we want more pediatricians in the system. And part

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.800
<v Speaker 6>of the reason that we don't make them is because

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.280
<v Speaker 6>people are staring down the barrel at hundreds of thousands

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 6>of dollars in medical debt. And on top of that,

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 6>there are how many particularly really promising students of color

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 6>who just can't stomach taking on those loans because they

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 6>might not come from the same wealth, might not have

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 6>family who can help allay some of those costs.

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 5>And I wrote a paper back.

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 6>When I was a professor on the cost and the

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 6>choices of medical debt, and black students take on more

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 6>medical debts systematically simply because of the consequences of structural racism.

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:16.720
<v Speaker 5>But those two big questions.

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 6>The other one is, I'm worried about getting sued, and

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 6>there's no reason that Medicare for All couldn't it couldn't

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 6>insure all doctors legally, right, So that goes off the top.

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 6>And then there's the question of how we get paid.

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 6>So as the number of physicians being forced into practicing

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:37.359
<v Speaker 6>in large healthcare systems has grown, the proportion of reimbursement

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 6>that goes to those large health systems has also grown

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 6>because they have armies of lobbyists and doctors don't. So

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 6>if you look over the past thirty years, physician or

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 6>what we call the provider fee in a billing, has

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 6>only gone up about twenty five percent hasn't kept up

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 6>with inflation, but the facility fee has like doubled or tripled.

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 6>So you're seeing big healthcare systems scoop more and more

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 6>off the top, and so you're benefiting doctor right there

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:02.760
<v Speaker 6>by saying no, actually, we're going to change that around.

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.359
<v Speaker 5>Rather than more of that reimbursement going to.

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 6>Facilities to pay their CEO who's overpaid, we're going to

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 6>make sure that reimbursement goes back to doctors. And then

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 6>the last thing I'll tell you is this, there is

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 6>not a doctor that I know who is not frustrated

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 6>by the fact that they're burning out because they cannot

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 6>provide the health care that they want. They don't have

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 6>the time, and they cannot see the patients who need

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 6>them the most.

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:22.720
<v Speaker 5>And one of the most.

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 6>Important things we could do under Medicare for All is

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 6>change reimbursements for things like a regular office visit. Rather

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.359
<v Speaker 6>than an average of eight minutes of an office visit,

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 6>we can give you fifteen twenty minutes, so you can

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 6>actually spend time with your patient and get rewarded for

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 6>doing that because you're actually taking care of the whole patient.

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 5>But then even beyond that, we all know, in.

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 6>Our healthcare system, if you are low income, it is

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:43.879
<v Speaker 6>hard for you to see a doctor in the first place.

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 6>Medicaid reimburses at substantially lower rates, So we're asking doctors

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.720
<v Speaker 6>and hospitals and clinics to take a haircut for seeing

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.399
<v Speaker 6>the lowest income patients. But under Medicare for all, because

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 6>the reimbursement would be the same regardless of your income,

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 6>you can now actually care for the patients who need

0:41:58.239 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 6>your care the most. Now, one of the points that

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 6>you brought up was about Canada, and one of the

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 6>big issues that I hear all the time is, well,

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 6>what about the weight times? Do you know what the

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.720
<v Speaker 6>wait time in America for a cardiologist is on average

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 6>two and a half months, And nobody tells you should

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:11.959
<v Speaker 6>see a cardiologist in two and a half months. Usually

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 6>they're saying maybe two and a half hours, maybe two

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.240
<v Speaker 6>and a half days, but not two and a half months.

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 5>But that's in our healthcare system as it stands.

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:20.799
<v Speaker 6>I think it's easy to cherry pick stories from other

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 6>countries about what could go wrong. But here's the other

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 6>thing I'll tell you, we're the richest, most powerful country

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.879
<v Speaker 6>in the world. We never look at a thing and say, well,

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 6>we would do that worse. There is no reason that

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 6>we couldn't provide guaranteed health care for everybody and do

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.320
<v Speaker 6>it way better than they do in Canada.

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 5>No offense to my neighbors in Canada. I live a mission.

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 5>We're a border stick. But we could do it better

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 5>if we chose to.

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 6>The reason we don't choose to is because there are

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 6>too many very large industries who make a tremendous amount

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 6>of money off the system as it is, pharmaceutical industry,

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:48.720
<v Speaker 6>hospital industry, health insurance industry.

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:50.879
<v Speaker 5>We could do it better. There is no reason why

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 5>we could do better for cheaper.

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.399
<v Speaker 6>It's a matter of political will and it's a matter

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.320
<v Speaker 6>of standing up to the greed of the industry.

0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 1>So you're in this primary, it is there is a

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>lot going on. Basically, Michigan is a really interesting state

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 1>because and because you have a Muslim population, you have

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>a Jewish population, you have it all. I was at

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the Democratic National Convention. I saw that they did not

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 1>have a Muslim speaker. You know, we had Leon Panetta,

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>but not a Muslim speaker that I think did not

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 1>serve her for any number of reasons. Now I'm a Jew,

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 1>very reform, but you know, certainly understand the importance of

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 1>what Israel means to Jewish people. I also think net

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yahoo's a complete lunatic, makes Trump look like Lincoln. So

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>and I want to know what Michigan looks like, what

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the Muslim population feels, because some of them went for Trump,

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.839
<v Speaker 1>not most of them, but a small percentage, and they

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 1>were used by Trump to try and get more people.

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, they were like one of these swing in

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 1>groups that were used by him. And I want you

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 1>to sort of talk through what you think went wrong

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 1>there and why you think it's so hard to partner

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>with a group that is just like any other group

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>in this country.

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 5>Let me try and break it up into a couple pieces.

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 6>I think we tend to focus on the ethnic or

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 6>religious dynamics of this, and I think in doing that

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.839
<v Speaker 6>we're doing a disservice to the broader principle. Here I'm

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 6>running for Senate in Michigan, and here in Michigan, we've

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 6>got schools that look like they did thirty years ago

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.879
<v Speaker 6>for lack of the funding to rebuild them. We've got

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:36.240
<v Speaker 6>crumbling infrastructure in the forms of roads and bridges and pipes.

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 6>We just watched a pipe burst in Rochester Hills, which

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 6>is home to Stilantis, known as Chrysler to a lot

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 6>of folks, and we don't have the funding to rebuild that.

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:49.280
<v Speaker 6>We can't get our healthcare as we just talked about,

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 6>and there's a bipartisan consensus on both sides of the

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 6>Aisle that the best use of our Michigan tax dollars

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:58.839
<v Speaker 6>isn't to fix any of those programs, but instead is

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 6>to send it abroad to foreign governments to buy them

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 6>tanks and bombs. And that is I think just inconsistent

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 6>with what we should be doing with our tax dollars.

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 6>And I don't believe we should be subsidizing foreign militaries

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:13.000
<v Speaker 6>at all.

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:14.400
<v Speaker 5>That includes Israel.

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:17.360
<v Speaker 6>It also includes Egypt, It also includes Saudi Arabia and Jordan,

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 6>it includes Pakistan. I just don't think that that's the

0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.280
<v Speaker 6>best use of our tax dollars. That is one principle,

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 6>but in particular when one of those countries is at

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.880
<v Speaker 6>baseline in apartheid state and then does a genocide and

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:37.239
<v Speaker 6>kills tens of thousands of children, tens of thousands more adults,

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 6>and we sent them twenty two billion dollars to do it,

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.840
<v Speaker 6>and then their prime minister comes to our situation room

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 6>and convinces a president like he's been trying to for

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 6>forty years, to go to a war with no clear war,

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 6>aims to spend another thirty billion of our tax dollars.

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.800
<v Speaker 6>Ask yourself what that means for a child in Michigan,

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 6>whether they are a Jewish child or a Muslim child,

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 6>or a Black child, or a white child, or any

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:05.760
<v Speaker 6>of the above.

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 5>How does that make sense from a principal standpoint. So

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 5>a lot of folks want to break this.

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 6>Down into well, how are you going to keep these

0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 6>two communities together? And my answer to that is I'm

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:16.400
<v Speaker 6>going to lead with principle that the best use of

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.919
<v Speaker 6>our tax dollars is not to go to war. It's

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 6>not to do genocide, it's not to uphold apartheid. It's

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 6>to provide schools and infrastructure and healthcare for our children

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 6>here at home. And I am Arab, I understand, I

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:33.880
<v Speaker 6>am Muslim. But neither is the Arab and Muslim community

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 6>a monolith, nor is the Jewish community a monolith. Now

0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 6>I'm always told that somehow, because of my ethnic identity,

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 6>that my opposition to what.

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 5>The Israeli government is doing must be about my antipathy

0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 5>for another group of people.

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 3>It is not.

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 6>It is about my love for people generally, my love

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 6>for the people in Michigan, my love for Jewish people

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:58.400
<v Speaker 6>who are being told that in their name our country

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 6>ought to be subsidizing GM aside, my love for Palestinian

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 6>people who are having their rights taken away from them,

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.360
<v Speaker 6>and ultimately, in any form of principle, our money should

0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:10.839
<v Speaker 6>be used on us because we paid for it, That

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:14.800
<v Speaker 6>Jewish Israelis and Palestinians should have equal rights to peace, dignity,

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 6>and self determination. That we should not be making ridiculous, unethical,

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:23.520
<v Speaker 6>immoral war. For all of those reasons, I believe that

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.360
<v Speaker 6>I don't want us to continue to send our money

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:29.440
<v Speaker 6>there when we should be using it here.

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 5>I know that that's going to earn me.

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 6>Votes both from Jewish community members who've invited me in,

0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:41.320
<v Speaker 6>because they understand that I love and revere Jewish people

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 6>and Judaism and Jewish culture and all that it is

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 6>contributed in our country and across the world. And I

0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:50.719
<v Speaker 6>understand that that love is the same as I have

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.799
<v Speaker 6>for Palestinians, and the same as I have.

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 5>For kids here in Michigan.

0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 6>Now, is it going to lose me some votes for

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.760
<v Speaker 6>people who say, well, for me, Israel is important.

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:01.359
<v Speaker 5>Yes, it is.

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 6>But I just don't think that at the end of

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 6>the day, we can continue to allow this gamesmanship of

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 6>what votes are you gonna win or lose? Right, or

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 6>how much money are you going to get from large

0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 6>super PACs to dictate our morals to us. And so

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 6>if folks disagree with my moral positions, I hope that

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 6>they'll share where they disagree, but my principles and my

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 6>positions map and if you can show me where they don't,

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 6>then please do. I'd love to have a conversation about it.

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 6>But nobody has actually shown me that. They just sort

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 6>of go back and say, well, clearly you're against a

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 6>group of people.

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 5>I was like, no, I'm actually just for all people.

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 1>And you are a doctor, which makes you an honorary Jew,

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 1>because that is the highest level of Judaism, is doctor.

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:44.320
<v Speaker 5>The number of Jentas have come up to me and

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:45.760
<v Speaker 5>pinched my cheeks and just said.

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 1>As a Jewish mother, doctor is the highest level of Judaism.

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:53.759
<v Speaker 1>One of the lost tribes of Israel. So I would

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>love you to talk about this primary because Schumer, who

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 1>is the leader of the party and who has yelled

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 1>at me on the phone. Though he I'm not supposed

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 1>to say that he has gotten involved in your primary.

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<v Speaker 1>He has endorsed the I think the least good candidate

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<v Speaker 1>in the field, Hailey Stevens, who is a member of Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>but cannot get a sentence out. I said it, you didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know why he got involved in this primary,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has a lot to do with APEC and

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot to do with Israel. I'd love you

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what it is like in this primary. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you have Senate, the leader of the minority,

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the Senate getting involved, putting his finger on

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<v Speaker 1>the scale. Is it working because we're at a moment where,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people are pretty mad at politicians on the

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<v Speaker 1>left and the right. So is it actually helping you

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<v Speaker 1>just talk us through what the landscape looks like for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, I'm the only candidate in this race who

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<v Speaker 6>the said of minority leader still opposes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's really he really doesn't like you.

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<v Speaker 5>You really don't like me, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Bernie Staff right too.

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<v Speaker 6>I've never met him, you know, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>I will until, of course I win this primary, and

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<v Speaker 6>then we'll have to have a conversation. But you know,

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<v Speaker 6>at the end of the day, I'm not seeking his support.

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<v Speaker 6>My conversation is with the ten million people in Michigan

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<v Speaker 6>who are going to decide this election, and it always

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<v Speaker 6>has been. I don't spend as much time thinking about

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<v Speaker 6>the political gamesmanship of it all, and maybe to my detriment,

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<v Speaker 6>but like I guess, I'm just not a politician that way.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll let the other two folks running in this race

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<v Speaker 6>figure that part out. But I think every day about

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<v Speaker 6>how I can build a stronger, deeper relationship with the

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<v Speaker 6>folks in the state so that they know exactly who

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<v Speaker 6>I am, why I want to break the chokehold that

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<v Speaker 6>corporations like dt Our Local Utility and Blue Cross Boushield

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<v Speaker 6>have had on our politics for a very long time,

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<v Speaker 6>so that I can start to stand up for the

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<v Speaker 6>kind of economic opportunities that too many people in the

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<v Speaker 6>state can't get. Address the fact that you can't afford

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<v Speaker 6>your groceries, you can't afford your health care, your kid

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<v Speaker 6>goes to a broken school, and you're paying five bucks

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<v Speaker 6>a gallon in gas and finally guarantee you the healthcare

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<v Speaker 6>that you need and deserve.

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<v Speaker 5>So, you know, I don't know why he doesn't like

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<v Speaker 5>me that much.

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<v Speaker 6>I have some ideas, but you know, most of the

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<v Speaker 6>time that doesn't really bother me that much.

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<v Speaker 5>Now here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But does it help you on in the field or

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<v Speaker 1>does it hurt you in the field. That's more of

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<v Speaker 1>my question.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know because I don't spend much time talking

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<v Speaker 6>about it. There's another candidate spends a lot of time

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<v Speaker 6>talking about Chuck Schumer.

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<v Speaker 5>I just don't like.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the conversations folks are having are not about

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<v Speaker 6>who the Senate Minority leader is. The folks people are

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<v Speaker 6>having are what are you going to do about my groceries?

0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 6>What are you going to do about this ridiculous war

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<v Speaker 6>that's raising my gas price? Is? What are you going

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<v Speaker 6>to do about the fact that I can't see a doctor?

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<v Speaker 6>So I don't know if it's helping.

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<v Speaker 5>Me or hurting me.

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<v Speaker 6>What I do know is that they are going to

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<v Speaker 6>you know, a pack through one of its many many

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<v Speaker 6>shell organizations, just did a five point five million dollar

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<v Speaker 6>buy and from what we hear, they're going to do

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<v Speaker 6>another five of those and that they're probably going to

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<v Speaker 6>be coming from my face. We know that a lot

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 6>of the folks are on the inside are constantly pushing

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<v Speaker 6>miss and disinformation about me and my record, But all

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<v Speaker 6>of that doesn't matter as much as making sure that

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<v Speaker 6>folks understand that I'm not here to defend myself, like

0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:13.319
<v Speaker 6>I'm here to defend them against a system that has

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<v Speaker 6>been corrupted by the likes of corporations and special interests

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<v Speaker 6>that are who are trying to do the same thing

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<v Speaker 6>to corrupt this election to so I just try to

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<v Speaker 6>just focus on the main issue and just not spend

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<v Speaker 6>as much time with it. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe that's

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<v Speaker 6>the Achilles heel, but I'm just not doing this because

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<v Speaker 6>I care as much about the politics of it all.

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<v Speaker 6>I care about the service of it all. So I'm

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<v Speaker 6>just going to focus there, and so long as I

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<v Speaker 6>can answer the questions that people have about how we're

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<v Speaker 6>going to make their life more livable, how we're going

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<v Speaker 6>to make their budget work every month, how we're going

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<v Speaker 6>to make sure they can see a doctor, I feel

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<v Speaker 6>like I'm answering the questions that really matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate you having me.

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<v Speaker 3>A moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Cannon by jump Fast.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things we talk about when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about ICE is, you know, this is the unemployable

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<v Speaker 2>having a war on the employed, and that these people

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<v Speaker 2>are not careful, that they do not really care if

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<v Speaker 2>they're careful, they don't care if they mess up.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't really care about the collateral damage.

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<v Speaker 2>And if that was ever evidenced, is this article on

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<v Speaker 2>Reason magazine about how a US citizen is suing ICE

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<v Speaker 2>for arresting them twice.

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<v Speaker 3>And they just did it a third time because who

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<v Speaker 3>cares if they mess up?

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<v Speaker 1>Famous lefty magazine Reason, Oh yeah, oh yeah, known to

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<v Speaker 1>be the home of liberals and do not at all

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<v Speaker 1>funded by the Koch brothers, if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean, not all the bible of right

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<v Speaker 2>wing libertarianism, not.

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<v Speaker 1>At all the Republican second son's favorite reading source. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so here we go. What is happening. I know you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be shocked to hear this, but as my

0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:01.399
<v Speaker 1>my man Brett Kavanaugh said when he talks about those

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<v Speaker 1>Kavanaugh stops, you are technically allowed by this according to

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court. I guess maybe they walked it back,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're allowed to stop people if they look Mexican,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's called Kavanaugh stops, and if you look like

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a white guy, you can get stopped by ice.

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<v Speaker 1>And turns out, guess what happens. You get stopped by

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<v Speaker 1>Ice again and again and again. I am not laughing

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<v Speaker 1>because it's so fucking horrible, but it is also you

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<v Speaker 1>have to admit kind of insane that my man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is his third Ice stop. By the way, we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>people like detained in these jails for like a year.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, these people are losing a year of their

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<v Speaker 1>lives because these ICE people can't read like a document.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is like this is like authoritarianism but very

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<v Speaker 1>very very stupid. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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