Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds and a shocking new poll from Atlas
Speaker 1: Intel has Marco Rubio at forty five percent compared to JD.
Speaker 1: Evans at thirty percent in the twenty twenty eight Republican
Speaker 1: primary polling. We have such a great show for you today.
Speaker 1: New York's twelfth District's congressional candidate George Conway Stopspy to
Speaker 1: talk about Trump's derangemental state. Then we'll talk to Michigan
Speaker 1: Senate candidate in the Democratic primary, Doctor Abdul al said
Speaker 1: about why he is the right candidate for Senate in Michigan.
Speaker 1: But first the news, Sami.
Speaker 2: We have had some wage games in this country because
Speaker 2: we've had a great run of the economy for quite
Speaker 2: a long time, and the inflation of Donald Trump's presidency
Speaker 2: has wiped them all up.
Speaker 1: Now, this is the line I would say, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: has made inflation higher. The guy who you elected to
Speaker 1: make inflation lower has made it higher. And how has
Speaker 1: he done it well? It has taken a lot of
Speaker 1: stupid over the last eighteen months to get here. But
Speaker 1: what has he done. He's done tariffs, which are inflationary,
Speaker 1: and then that might have been okay. But my man
Speaker 1: did the thing that every other president has known not
Speaker 1: to do since Bill Clinton, which is he went to
Speaker 1: war with Iran. And Iran as everyone knew, they would
Speaker 1: close the straits, and the straits are closed. And now
Speaker 1: oil and gas are about a dollar and change more
Speaker 1: expensive in the United States. And don't get me started
Speaker 1: on diesel. This is exactly what everyone said would happen.
Speaker 1: I want to rephrase this because I think it's so important.
Speaker 1: Trump does exactly the thing that everyone says not to do.
Speaker 1: Don't put your hand to the stove, don't go to
Speaker 1: war with Iran. It's very expensive. They have a much
Speaker 1: higher pain tolerance than you do. As we've seen. It's
Speaker 1: an enormous country, eighty million people. This is like going
Speaker 1: to war with California if California had nothing to lose.
Speaker 1: And these inflationary numbers are what we should expect. So
Speaker 1: it was higher than wages, which means that wages grew
Speaker 1: three point six percent, but it didn't matter because the
Speaker 1: inflation z point two percent higher than that, which means
Speaker 1: you may have gotten more money, but your gas is,
Speaker 1: as all of us know, quite a bit more expensive
Speaker 1: at the pump. We are heading into summer. Summer is
Speaker 1: the time when Americans get in their car and take vacations.
Speaker 1: It's also the time when richer Americans get on airplanes
Speaker 1: and take vacations. Airplane tickets, if you haven't noticed, are
Speaker 1: more expensive because jet fuel is this most expensive kind
Speaker 1: of fuel. It's from diesel, so they are going to
Speaker 1: be even more expensive than filling up your tank with gas.
Speaker 1: It is just a perfect storm. We are heading out
Speaker 1: into the summer. People are going to be mad. And
Speaker 1: Donald Trump did this, and they understand that he did
Speaker 1: this because he could not even come up with any
Speaker 1: sort of way to sell this war to the American people,
Speaker 1: so he just did it. And now the American people
Speaker 1: are mad.
Speaker 2: Let me back you up with some data here at
Speaker 2: less Intel Pulling, which is one of the most reliable
Speaker 2: pollsters to pull on do items cost less under Biden
Speaker 2: or Trump? Nearly every single item, beef, electricity, coffee, gas, chicken, bread, milk,
Speaker 2: your house, bananas, eggs almost double on nearly every item
Speaker 2: people say it costs less under Biden.
Speaker 1: That's because it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, But It shows that their whole press
Speaker 2: strategy is don't believe your lying eyes, and people are
Speaker 2: believing their truthful eyes.
Speaker 1: And you know, it goes back to this idea that
Speaker 1: I often talk about with Gourbidal, who was someone I
Speaker 1: knew growing up, who was this very smart thinker, and
Speaker 1: he had this theory of the case that the American
Speaker 1: people have no memory, that we are the United States
Speaker 1: of Amnesia. We know nothing, we remember nothing. Everything goes
Speaker 1: so quickly for us. But the reality is that even
Speaker 1: we can keep six months in our head. Trump's been
Speaker 1: present for eighteen months, and during that time, prices have
Speaker 1: gone up. You know, there's one thing that voters really hate.
Speaker 1: There's like literally one thing they hate. It's like going
Speaker 1: to the grocery store with the same amount of money
Speaker 1: and being able to buyize food. And so that's where
Speaker 1: we are here. This has the generic with Democrats up
Speaker 1: fourteen points, and that is like carnage for Republicans.
Speaker 2: So the way Republicans are counteracting that, of course, is
Speaker 2: by jerrymandering everything to hell, and the Supreme Court is
Speaker 2: their William Ablers.
Speaker 1: Look, the Supreme Court has decided to be just completely partisan.
Speaker 1: Now that does not mean the entire Supreme Court, because
Speaker 1: there are three liberal justices on this court and they
Speaker 1: are as you and I vote know. It's so to
Speaker 1: my Air is the one who I think speaks the
Speaker 1: most forcefully. But Brown Jackson does too. She basically ripped
Speaker 1: her own cord for their inappropriate decision on Alabama. And look,
Speaker 1: here's what's happening Republicans in the Supreme Court. The six
Speaker 1: to three conservative majority has killed the Voting Rights Act,
Speaker 1: and now they are signing off on all of this
Speaker 1: last minute jerry mandering of seat here, a seat there.
Speaker 1: Trump thinks a seat here and a seat there will
Speaker 1: save him from losing the House and getting impeached. Perhaps
Speaker 1: I think Trump may be in more trouble than any things.
Speaker 1: But that is what is happening here, and the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court is going along with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So what goes hand in hand with this is the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court's decision on the Voting Rights Act. And we've
Speaker 2: been talking about how Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry has been
Speaker 2: a willing participant, but man, this sixty minutes interview with
Speaker 2: him the other night really really showed the egregiousness of
Speaker 2: all this.
Speaker 1: A lot of people who followed the law think that
Speaker 1: you should not stop the voting during a primary. So
Speaker 1: the voting had already started, but Landry was like, I
Speaker 1: need to make my man Donald Trump happy. So we're
Speaker 1: going to redistrict even though people are voting. And so
Speaker 1: what is he doing. He's throwing out these forty five
Speaker 1: thousand ballots. Now, it is a big deal because it's
Speaker 1: anti democratic, but it's also a big deal because it
Speaker 1: shows that the Louisiana governor does not give a fuck
Speaker 1: about his voters. And look, we're seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: Republicans go on sixty minutes. We saw I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of Republicans by a lot of Republicans. I mean
Speaker 1: Benjamin net Yahoo was on sixty minutes this week. It's
Speaker 1: interesting because I was watching that interview with Major Garrett.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of really good journalists still at CBS,
Speaker 1: even though CBS has now basically been taken over by
Speaker 1: its oraitarians, and so it's very interesting to watch them.
Speaker 3: But according to reporting today, not for long.
Speaker 1: Oh are they all getting fired?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the week that today.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I was out of commission this morning, but I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised to hear they were all getting fired.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the last gasps of journalism still live at
Speaker 1: CBS for now, and watching Major Garrett try to push
Speaker 1: back pretty interesting. It's worth watching that Net and Yahoo interview.
Speaker 1: It's certainly worth wondering why the prime minister of another
Speaker 1: country is weighing in on our government. I don't wonder
Speaker 1: because I know what's happening here, and it's just really
Speaker 1: interesting to watch who is on CBS right now and
Speaker 1: who is not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So one of the interesting things is, you know, people
Speaker 2: can try to play around and be like, oh, polls
Speaker 2: aren't always accurate, even though they've been much more accurately
Speaker 2: seemingly for the most part. But one of the things
Speaker 2: that's always interesting is data. And what we now see
Speaker 2: is that twenty percent of Americans who are using Obamacare
Speaker 2: now don't have it anymore thanks to the subsidies expiring
Speaker 2: and other factors.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this. I actually did a video
Speaker 1: on this for MS Now. This is very easy to
Speaker 1: see coming a million miles away. Basically, we knew this
Speaker 1: was going to happen again the last government shut down.
Speaker 1: Democrats did it. I know we're not supposed to say that,
Speaker 1: but it's true, and they know it's true, and they
Speaker 1: say it to be true too, because they were worried
Speaker 1: about people losing their healthcare. They were worried that twenty
Speaker 1: percent of Americans would lose their health care. And that's
Speaker 1: what we're seeing, a twenty percent decline in enrollment in
Speaker 1: thirty states. That's because now Obamacare is, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple thousand dollars more expensive. There's a lot of money
Speaker 1: and that gas prices, food prices, healthcare prices. Like something's
Speaker 1: got to give, and people are giving up their healthcare.
Speaker 1: And while that is cheaper on the short term and
Speaker 1: certainly cheaper than not eating, it, ultimately will trickle down
Speaker 1: to crowded ers and hospitals that are overstretched and all
Speaker 1: of the things we saw before Obamacare. So this sucks.
Speaker 1: And remember this was all because of Dode because Republicans
Speaker 1: wanted attack cut and wanted that money for whatever they're doing,
Speaker 1: I guess, arms and bombing things. And so here we are,
Speaker 1: and look you have this going well. On the other
Speaker 1: side of the split screen, you have Pete Hagsath bragging
Speaker 1: about how expensive this war is. We're spending like gonna
Speaker 1: spend probably a trillion dollars fighting with the country that
Speaker 1: we literally had a deal with about the nukes. So
Speaker 1: Donald Trump yet again making crisises that did not exist. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's Molly john Fast here. My memoir How to Lose
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Speaker 1: primary in New York's twelfth congressional district. Welcome, Welcome, George Conway.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me once again. For the million
Speaker 4: of the time, I will always It's always like a
Speaker 4: New Spring.
Speaker 3: Show.
Speaker 1: So last night you may have had a fun night
Speaker 1: last night, but you know who did not sleep before
Speaker 1: going to China in a position of not strength. You
Speaker 1: went awarein China.
Speaker 4: Heina.
Speaker 1: My man is going to China with every rich person
Speaker 1: in America basically and all the CEOs, including Elon mush.
Speaker 1: But last night he posted fifty five times in three hours.
Speaker 1: This is the leader of the free world, so to speak.
Speaker 1: I don't know how free we are. But he started
Speaker 1: at ten fifteen, as one does, accusing Obama of a
Speaker 1: coup in twenty sixteen. You'll remember he won in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: so that is an interesting coup. Then ten fifteen again,
Speaker 1: so that's all. The same minute says Obama works with
Speaker 1: the CIA to overthrow Trump. Repost tweets saying Obama is
Speaker 1: Trader and he should be arrested. Ten twenty two, So
Speaker 1: seven minutes later at Tacks Dominion voting system for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty elections says they switch votes again. Ten twenty two
Speaker 1: says Fulton County, Georgia had twenty twenty fraud exposed there
Speaker 1: not true. Ten to twenty three accuses Obama of making
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty million from Obamacare. That there are
Speaker 1: about fifty other times he tweeted, but I just wanted
Speaker 1: you to get a flavor of what happened last night.
Speaker 4: I'm going to go out on a limb and say
Speaker 4: something really bluntly. The President of the United States is
Speaker 4: deeply mentally ill. I know it's shocking for you to
Speaker 4: hear me say that, and it's just something I've been
Speaker 4: fearing for years to address, as you know, but he
Speaker 4: is mentally ill.
Speaker 1: Feels to me, as someone who has spent the last decade.
Speaker 4: Writing about how the Pride, writing and talking about how
Speaker 4: the president is mentally ill, right.
Speaker 1: From my thirties when I was young, to my forties
Speaker 1: now cruising into fifty. What it feels like to me
Speaker 1: is that he has all and actually said this on
Speaker 1: television when we were talking about the push the way
Speaker 1: Trump treats female journalists versus the way he treated women
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, which was like bad but sort of
Speaker 1: on purpose, and now he sort of lashes out. It
Speaker 1: strikes me that Trump has less frontal lobe kind of
Speaker 1: ability to resist doing the crazy stuff than he did
Speaker 1: a decade ago.
Speaker 4: Right, No, that's absolutely true, and he's absolutely more disinhibited
Speaker 4: than ever before, which would be the term I think
Speaker 4: that yes, neuropsychologists and neuropsychiatrists would use. But the fundamental,
Speaker 4: the fundamental impulses are still there. I mean, if you know,
Speaker 4: as I have been chirping about since about twenty eighteen publicly,
Speaker 4: you go through the diagnostic criteria in the Diagnostic and
Speaker 4: Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders addition the fifth edition, he
Speaker 4: is clearly, among other things, I mean, he clearly has
Speaker 4: narcissistic personality disorder. In fact, he's got basically all nine
Speaker 4: of the criteria. You could have written the criteria for him,
Speaker 4: and he's got the you know, he's got more than
Speaker 4: sufficient numbers of criteria for, if not all, the criteria
Speaker 4: for antisocial personality disorder or sociopopy. He's a narcissistic sociopath.
Speaker 4: So he spends his time convincing himself that he's been wronged,
Speaker 4: that he is the greatest thing and the only thing
Speaker 4: that matters in the world, and that when things don't
Speaker 4: go his way, it's because people are conspiring against him,
Speaker 4: they are jealous against them, and there's absolutely some paranoia
Speaker 4: in there. But of course, if the more you are
Speaker 4: obnoxious to people, the more they do dislike you. And
Speaker 4: you know, he has been able, to some not great extent,
Speaker 4: not show us everything he thinks at any given moment
Speaker 4: because people have told him you can't do that, and
Speaker 4: he understands that if he does on television he will
Speaker 4: get a backlash. But again, he's more disinhibited than ever
Speaker 4: because he's aging. He is clearly not as sharp as
Speaker 4: he was in prior years ago. I frankly don't think
Speaker 4: he was ever that sharp. And of course he has
Speaker 4: managed to get rid of all the people who could
Speaker 4: possibly tell him, dude, that you can't do this. And
Speaker 4: and then of course he clearly is hypo manic. He
Speaker 4: doesn't get much sleep, and he's more anxious than ever
Speaker 4: before because everything he's done thus far to make himself
Speaker 4: the greatest thing in the world to make himself. You know,
Speaker 4: the most important person in the universe is failing. And
Speaker 4: he knows that. And he knows deep down, even though
Speaker 4: he tweets out things like oh, the polls are great
Speaker 4: like never before, and the oh gas prices are going down,
Speaker 4: and oh, we won the war against Iran. Deep down
Speaker 4: he knows that's all bullshit. But deep down he knows
Speaker 4: that he is looking at a democratic Congress if he
Speaker 4: doesn't manage to somehow steal the election, which he is
Speaker 4: talking about because he's talking about putting people troops essentially
Speaker 4: to enforce election integrity or whatever that that.
Speaker 3: The other day.
Speaker 4: I don't have the exact quote, so he is you know,
Speaker 4: this is this is like the movie Downfall, right, I've
Speaker 4: always you've heard me talk about the movie Downfall before
Speaker 4: the last ten days of the furor Bunker. This is
Speaker 4: what happens when a narcissistic as sociopath is cornered. They
Speaker 4: become more desperate, more delusional, and more dangerous. And that's
Speaker 4: where Donald Trump is. And that's why I say and
Speaker 4: I say it, you know, it's part of my campaign
Speaker 4: stick But I've been saying this all along that He's
Speaker 4: only going to get worse, not better. And the most
Speaker 4: important thing to remember for our current circumstance is that
Speaker 4: we cannot survive thirty two months more of what we've
Speaker 4: seen over the last sixteen, not only because what we've
Speaker 4: seen over the last sixteen, if you keep adding on
Speaker 4: to it at the same rate, is terrible and dangerous.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's done enormous damage to the country, enormous
Speaker 4: damage to its economy, and normous damage to its standing
Speaker 4: in the world. But he's going to accelerate in his
Speaker 4: bizarre t dellusion, and it's going to get get much worse,
Speaker 4: which is why I'm talking about impeach. And we can't survive,
Speaker 4: and he's going to get worse, and even the Republicans
Speaker 4: are going to have no choice but to face up
Speaker 4: to the fact that for the sake of the country,
Speaker 4: if not for their own sake, depending on how many
Speaker 4: of them are left after November, if there's a free
Speaker 4: and fair election, they have to join with us to
Speaker 4: get rid of it too.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about a wrinkle that I did
Speaker 1: not see coming, which as someone who has been gaming
Speaker 1: this out for the last decade, a wrinkle that I
Speaker 1: did not see coming was that Donald Trump would absolutely
Speaker 1: crater with Republicans. I did not think, like I actually
Speaker 1: thought he would just go in there and play golf
Speaker 1: and let the economy run on the tax cuts. And
Speaker 1: I did not think he would go in there and
Speaker 1: do a lot of really destructive I thought he did
Speaker 1: destructive stuff, but I didn't know that he would like
Speaker 1: be able to raise past prices a dollar and a half.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you this, I mean, this is a
Speaker 4: point of disagreement between us. Right. You listen to what
Speaker 4: I was saying in twenty twenty four, I think. I
Speaker 4: remember I said it a couple of times, very very directly.
Speaker 4: I said it once on the comedy channel. He's just
Speaker 4: going to do everything. It's going to get much, much worse.
Speaker 4: And I remember a friend of mine said to me,
Speaker 4: a journalist said to me, well, how could he possibly
Speaker 4: be worse? And I said, he's going to get worse.
Speaker 4: These people can't help themselves. They can't turn themselves off
Speaker 4: the glory, glorification, and the power is never enough. They
Speaker 4: are continually hunt, thirsting for ward. He can't go out
Speaker 4: and shut up and play golf. He has to be
Speaker 4: He has an infinite narcissistic thirst that can't possibly be satisfied,
Speaker 4: and so he has to keep doing things he's he's
Speaker 4: maniacally to empower himself, and he does this in an
Speaker 4: impulsive way, in an I'm thinking kind of way, and in
Speaker 4: a way that's self destructive, and that's what he's going
Speaker 4: to keep doing, and it's going to be much much worse,
Speaker 4: and he's going to do much more damage to us.
Speaker 4: One of the things that I think people haven't a
Speaker 4: lot of people haven't learned, is that there is no
Speaker 4: bottom with this guy. You cannot He keeps going down, down, down,
Speaker 4: until you know, unless he's physically in pacitated, he's going
Speaker 4: to get mentally worse, and at some point he's going
Speaker 4: to lose everybody, including the people who work for him.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just a matter of time. And the
Speaker 4: question is do we hasten that process or we just
Speaker 4: let it play out passively. And I think we have
Speaker 4: to hasten that process because the faster we get to
Speaker 4: the climactic moment here of getting him out of office,
Speaker 4: the less damage he can do. And that's why I
Speaker 4: think it's so important to start talking about impeachment and
Speaker 4: removal right.
Speaker 1: Now I agree, but I also like the gas prices
Speaker 1: is an unforced error, like Americans hate high gas prices,
Speaker 1: like that, I grew up in the I was born
Speaker 1: in the seventies. Like, if there's one thing I understand
Speaker 1: from being born in the seventies, it's like Americans want
Speaker 1: to be able to get gas, and they want to
Speaker 1: be able to get it cheaply. The truckers voted in
Speaker 1: huge numbers for Trump. They are now trying to get diesel,
Speaker 1: which is so expensive. It's historically expensive. So for a
Speaker 1: long time, over the last decade of this conversation, we
Speaker 1: have wondered if anyone would ever break with Trump in
Speaker 1: the MAGA crew. But it does seem like at least
Speaker 1: Republican leaning indies are no longer on the Trump train.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think exactly right. I think that's true. And
Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of Republicans who will
Speaker 4: not declare themselves to be independent. I think deep down
Speaker 4: they've had it with Trump as well. I think one
Speaker 4: of the things that will happen. What happens is approval
Speaker 4: ratings are somewhat misleading. This is my theory. Again, I
Speaker 4: can't prove it because you have to administer sodium pentathal
Speaker 4: to basically all the respondents. But I think that when
Speaker 4: people are asked if they support Donald Trump, if they
Speaker 4: are a Trumper, a mega person, a Republican, they're going
Speaker 4: to say yes, do they approve Yes, even if deep
Speaker 4: down they're having graved doubts because it's part of their identity.
Speaker 4: They don't want to admit error. The fact that the
Speaker 4: people on the margins are splitting off is very very
Speaker 4: bad for Trump. And the fact that there are people
Speaker 4: who have, you know, who have previously supported him loudly,
Speaker 4: are making who are making noises about the twenty fifth
Speaker 4: Amendment and so on and so forth, is is really,
Speaker 4: is really really something And I think.
Speaker 1: That's Alex Jones and Jones I mean, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was I tweeted something the other day.
Speaker 4: No, I retweeted Tim Miller saying something about Trump and
Speaker 4: was then subsequently retweeted by Megan Kelly. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 4: mean you were seeing some very very interesting turnarounds. Look,
Speaker 4: some people who have just basically they they they are
Speaker 4: either they've either seen enough or they're close to have
Speaker 4: seen been seeing seeing enough. And I think what the
Speaker 4: problem is going to be that. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: what's going to happen is ultimately all of this turn
Speaker 4: on the United States Senate and the cowards and the
Speaker 4: Republican Senate. And I've always said, and I've probably said
Speaker 4: it fifty times on your show, you can never ever
Speaker 4: lose money betting on the spinelessess of Republican senators, right right, right, Well,
Speaker 4: the spinelessness of Republican senators when they are afraid of
Speaker 4: Trump is what enables them, what keeps them in office.
Speaker 4: Sooner or later, that spinelessness is going to push them
Speaker 4: the other way, because they're going to be afraid of
Speaker 4: all the people who are now really really unhappy with
Speaker 4: this guy. And at that some point they're going to
Speaker 4: say enough, if only to save their own skin, it
Speaker 4: should be to save the country, and it should be
Speaker 4: because it's the right thing to do. But I do
Speaker 4: think we're going to get to the point where it's
Speaker 4: going to be untenable for Republican senators who will be
Speaker 4: in the minority. I believe after January third, for a
Speaker 4: lot of Republican senators to maintain the position that Donald
Speaker 4: Trump should still.
Speaker 3: Be private, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting about This idea is that they
Speaker 1: don't break with Trump because of morality, and they don't
Speaker 1: break with Trump because of democracy. They break with Trump
Speaker 1: because the polling is so bad that they know they
Speaker 1: can't get re elected if they stay Maga right.
Speaker 4: And that was always the calculus with them. They decided
Speaker 4: to dispense with morality, they decided to dispense with their honor,
Speaker 4: they decided to dispense with decency, they decided to dispense
Speaker 4: with the truth because they felt that their political survival
Speaker 4: depended on doing that. Once they think their political survival
Speaker 4: depends on throwing Trump overboard, they will do it, yeah,
Speaker 4: out of the same fear that has driven them to
Speaker 4: support Trump and enable Trump all these years.
Speaker 1: And when that happens, the idea is that Democrats will
Speaker 1: have their shit together enough to have an impeachment going
Speaker 1: that gets the Senate correct.
Speaker 4: And that's you know, as you may know, I'm running
Speaker 4: for public office. I'm running for the House, and that's
Speaker 4: basically my theory, and that's the reason why I'm running.
Speaker 4: To push that process and to make sure it happens
Speaker 4: faster rather than slower, and that people and that people
Speaker 4: don't in a sort of defeatst way say we can't
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 5: We can't do it.
Speaker 4: No matter how things bad things get, because I think
Speaker 4: that's just I think that's that's a cop out. B.
Speaker 4: I think it's bad for the country. C. I think
Speaker 4: it's cowardly, and D it's just the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 1: It's stupid for surviving as a country. Do you think
Speaker 1: that as we watch this moment unfold that Democrats because
Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of like this redistricting, the Voting
Speaker 1: Rights Act. I mean, this was pretty crazy what came
Speaker 1: out in Supreme Court last week. You know, no more
Speaker 1: minority majority districts than a redraw. Well in some states
Speaker 1: will primaries primary voters were voting. I wonder like it
Speaker 1: does feel like Democrats are unable. You know, this is
Speaker 1: this is so outside of the norms, and Democrats seem
Speaker 1: unable to fight back in the same kind of way. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe again, you know that we do have one party
Speaker 1: that does respect the role of law and one party
Speaker 1: that doesn't. And so I'm not saying I'm not criticizing
Speaker 1: Democrats for this, because I know this is an impossible situation,
Speaker 1: but I'm more just what's your take on this?
Speaker 4: Well, you packed the lot into that answer. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think ultimately we have to get through a system
Speaker 4: where there is no racial jerrymandering and there is no
Speaker 4: political gerrymandering, and where districts are set by you know,
Speaker 4: criteria that is neutral both as to race into politics,
Speaker 4: and unfortunately we're not there.
Speaker 1: And the whole idea on an obvious artisan drawn lines
Speaker 1: is insane.
Speaker 4: It is insane. It's all insane. I think the Democrats
Speaker 4: have been doing what they have to do to play self,
Speaker 4: to play defense against people who are changing the rules
Speaker 4: in the middle of the game. But at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, I don't think it's going to make
Speaker 4: a difference, because, first of all, I think things are
Speaker 4: getting have gotten to the point that they're so bad
Speaker 4: that Trump would lose no matter how you drew The
Speaker 4: Republicans will lose no matter how you draw these districts.
Speaker 4: And I actually think that in some cases talking to
Speaker 4: some people who know more about it than me, like
Speaker 4: I say Mike Madrid, who's an expert in the Hispanic
Speaker 4: vote the gerrymandering, that some of the political gerrymandering, which
Speaker 4: I know is borderline, has probably raced jerry mandering. Also
Speaker 4: that the Republicans have been doing in places like Texas
Speaker 4: may actually hurt them, right, because what you're doing, the
Speaker 4: way what you do to redistrict, if you're trying to
Speaker 4: help yourself, is you want to spread your voters among
Speaker 4: more districts. But if you spread your voters among more districts,
Speaker 4: that means you're making your margins in some districts smaller.
Speaker 1: And so most people going on a twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Map correct and you're counting on say, very strong showing
Speaker 4: among Hispanics in Texas, you know, and that's the assumption
Speaker 4: by which you've drawn the map. Then you have effectively
Speaker 4: what people are calling it now, dummymanded yourself because you're
Speaker 4: actually spreading out blue voters and not red voters. And
Speaker 4: you know, you could actually compound an electoral loss by
Speaker 4: trying to redistrict a state in your favor. So there
Speaker 4: are a lot of things here. This is, you know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of This is all very complex and
Speaker 4: multi dimensional about deals with demographics, It deals with voter attitudes,
Speaker 4: It deals with different segments of the population going different
Speaker 4: ways in terms of how they're responding to the economic
Speaker 4: and political environment. And I think that the bottom line is,
Speaker 4: even if the Republicans managed to take back one of
Speaker 4: the some one or two of the seats that they
Speaker 4: would have lost under to say, the Virginia Plan is
Speaker 4: not going to help them in the Yet they're still
Speaker 4: not going to have a majority in the House. And
Speaker 4: that's all that matters, because all it takes two hundred
Speaker 4: All it takes is two hundred and eighteen votes to
Speaker 4: impeach president.
Speaker 1: It strikes me that there are Democrats who are not
Speaker 1: craven and ambitious in the way that the Federalist society
Speaker 1: has been able to be craven and ambitious. They have
Speaker 1: not done the kind of stuff that needed to happen
Speaker 1: to protect or, you know, our democracy. And I think
Speaker 1: of and look, it's not their fault. This has been
Speaker 1: a im possible situation. But I just wonder, if you
Speaker 1: were to get to win this seat, like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of frustration at Jeffreys for being a good guy
Speaker 1: and maybe not a killer, do you would you, I mean,
Speaker 1: would you vote to support him? Continuing on?
Speaker 4: In leadership, I'm going to support whoever has the support
Speaker 4: of the majority of Democrats, and I think that's going
Speaker 4: to be leader Jeffries. And I think, you know, I
Speaker 4: think part of the problem is, to the extent there
Speaker 4: is a problem, is that the leader of a caucus
Speaker 4: can't get too far in front of the caucus itself.
Speaker 4: And I'm what I'm hopeful for is that the caucus
Speaker 4: is going to elect more people who want to push harder,
Speaker 4: and that's going to give more running room, and it's
Speaker 4: going to help leader Jeffries go in the direction that
Speaker 4: you and I might like him to go. And so
Speaker 4: I again, I think I think there's I think there's
Speaker 4: going to be a different dynamic on January third, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty seven, if the elections go the way I think
Speaker 4: they're going to go. And I think I understand the
Speaker 4: theory of some Democrats in leadership that in order to
Speaker 4: win swing dis stricts you have to stick to the
Speaker 4: economic part and the less talk less about Trump. And
Speaker 4: I think I understand their reasoning because I think that
Speaker 4: when you when when a lot of people hear Democrats
Speaker 4: talk about Trump, they just think, oh, it's more of
Speaker 4: the same, more of these are just leftists and they
Speaker 4: don't like Trump because he's their leftists. And I think
Speaker 4: that's going to change, because I think people are going
Speaker 4: to not like Trump because they're paying six dollars at
Speaker 4: the pump for a ballon for the asoline. And I
Speaker 4: think it's going to change, like I can help change
Speaker 4: it because they can't say that about me because that's
Speaker 4: not my pedigree. All right, I'm here because this guy
Speaker 4: was bad. He's a liar, he's a criminal. He lied
Speaker 4: to you and now he's screwing you over big time
Speaker 4: and making your life more difficult because he's only in
Speaker 4: it for himself. And again that that's sort of that's
Speaker 4: going to be an art. I think that it is
Speaker 4: going to become more and more. We're going to hear more.
Speaker 4: I think democratics, democratic candidates make as they get into
Speaker 4: the November elections as the economy gets in more difficult,
Speaker 4: even if even if they if somehow he managed to
Speaker 4: end the ward turn everything back to the status status
Speaker 4: bohonte in in Iran, you know, there's still going to
Speaker 4: be a shortage of gasoline for months and they are
Speaker 4: not going to go down and things are actually going
Speaker 4: to get worse. So I think that what's going to
Speaker 4: happen is that we're I think the Democrats are if
Speaker 4: they if they play their cards right, if we play
Speaker 4: our cards right. I think the Democratic Party is going
Speaker 4: to be like the Challenging Party. I don't know what
Speaker 4: the name of the party was, but you know my
Speaker 4: Yar's opposition party in Hungary, to explain to the public
Speaker 4: that these guys are are screwing you, they are in
Speaker 4: it for themselves, they don't care about you and their crooks.
Speaker 4: And I think that message, at the end of the
Speaker 4: day is going to be the message that people are
Speaker 4: going to just innately realizes the correct message in the
Speaker 4: fact by November. And I think that's going to change
Speaker 4: the complexion of the House. I think it's going to
Speaker 4: change the complexion of the electorate. I think it's going
Speaker 4: to change the complexion of the House majority. And I
Speaker 4: think I think that the leadership of the House is
Speaker 4: going to respond accordingly. And so I think I think,
Speaker 4: I think we're going to end up heading in the
Speaker 4: right direction. And I don't think I don't. I think
Speaker 4: Speaker Jefferies will be able to lead us there.
Speaker 1: George Conway, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 1: Doctor Abdul l Sayid is a candidate for the Democratic
Speaker 1: nomination for Senate in the Great State of Michigan and
Speaker 1: He is the former director of the Department of Health,
Speaker 1: Human and Veteran Services for Wayne County. Welcome, Welcome to
Speaker 1: fast politics, Molly.
Speaker 5: It's always a privilege to be with you. Thank you
Speaker 5: for having me.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you are running in this very tight, very
Speaker 1: exciting three way primary in Michigan for the Democratic Senate nomination.
Speaker 1: Let's just go back to your central plank here, which
Speaker 1: is money out of politics and Medicare for all.
Speaker 6: Money out of politics, money in your pocket, and Medicare
Speaker 6: for all. Yeah, so money out of politics. I don't
Speaker 6: take corporate money. I'm the only candidate my race, Democrat
Speaker 6: or Republican who never has and never will. I think
Speaker 6: it is what is corrupting our politics at the outset.
Speaker 6: It's the reason why we pay more for the stuff
Speaker 6: we got to buy, get paid less for the work
Speaker 6: we do. Watch our tax dollars get misappropriated abroad to
Speaker 6: drop bombs and buy tanks for foreign militaries instead of
Speaker 6: investing in you, in your schools, in your healthcare, and
Speaker 6: money in your pocket. We've got to stand with unions.
Speaker 6: We've got a tax billionaires their wealth. We've got to
Speaker 6: enforce our anti oligopoly and anti monopoly policies through the FTC,
Speaker 6: and we've got to stop sending our money over there
Speaker 6: so we can use it over here, and then Medicare
Speaker 6: for All.
Speaker 5: We're the richest, most powerful country in the world.
Speaker 6: There is absolutely no reason why we have a collective
Speaker 6: two hundred and twenty five billion dollars in medical debt,
Speaker 6: which is more than the GDP of half of the
Speaker 6: states in this country. We can buy every American out
Speaker 6: of the worry of having to pay for a premium,
Speaker 6: a copay, or a deductive bleth through Medicare for All,
Speaker 6: and I think we should.
Speaker 1: So you have a MD and a PhD that you
Speaker 1: haven't done your residency, which means that you are still
Speaker 1: a doctor, disappointing many on the dumbest line of attack.
Speaker 1: So you're a doctor, so you know what doctors do?
Speaker 1: How would that shape your Medicare for All? Because like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of problems when it comes to healthcare
Speaker 1: in this country that involve like you get an MRI
Speaker 1: on eighty sixth Street and it costs a certain amount.
Speaker 1: You get one on eighty seventh Street and it's half
Speaker 1: the price. Just like structural problems that are making it
Speaker 1: all much more expensive.
Speaker 6: I love this question, Mollie, because the user experience for
Speaker 6: most of us as patients would be that you have
Speaker 6: a Medicare card in your back pocket, and that card
Speaker 6: is good for healthcare wherever you need it. No premium
Speaker 6: meaning the what you pay every two weeks or four
Speaker 6: weeks that goes away. No copay meaning what you pay
Speaker 6: at the point of healthcare, No deductible what you have
Speaker 6: to pay before the health insurance kicks in.
Speaker 5: That all goes away.
Speaker 6: It is there for you from cradle to grave, does
Speaker 6: not leave you. If you turn twenty six, or get married,
Speaker 6: get divorced, or get a job, lose a job, or
Speaker 6: turn sixty five. It is there for you, good for
Speaker 6: healthcare whatever you need it. But on the inside of
Speaker 6: the healthcare system it has a number of positive benefits too.
Speaker 5: One of the biggest challenges that.
Speaker 6: We have with our healthcare, as you just mentioned, is
Speaker 6: the fact that there's different prices for the same exact
Speaker 6: healthcare depending upon where you go. And that's because reimbursement
Speaker 6: rates get negotiated between big healthcare systems and big health
Speaker 6: insurance companies in a way.
Speaker 5: That's completely opaque.
Speaker 6: In fact, they call it part of their own trade secrets,
Speaker 6: which is absurd. And if you're a private practice physician
Speaker 6: out there trying to provide healthcare to the public, you're
Speaker 6: getting a worse deal than the large healthcare systems because
Speaker 6: the large healthcare systems ineffect negotiate in bulk, so they
Speaker 6: get way better reimbursement rates. And it's part of the
Speaker 6: reason you actually can't figure out what you're actually going
Speaker 6: to have to pay for the healthcare that.
Speaker 5: You get when you need it.
Speaker 6: And then part of the challenge is that these big
Speaker 6: healthcare systems use their negotiations in effect to squeeze out
Speaker 6: the little guy and buy up their practices or other hospitals.
Speaker 6: It's the reason that we've seen this massive health care consolidation.
Speaker 6: Met Biccare for All would help to address that in
Speaker 6: a lot of ways. There is one price that Medicare
Speaker 6: would pay any provider, so it doesn't matter if you're
Speaker 6: a big healthcare system or you're a private practitioner, you're
Speaker 6: getting the same reimbursement.
Speaker 5: What that means is if you're a private practitioner, you're
Speaker 5: providing better care and patients choose you.
Speaker 6: You can also grow and you can build a business
Speaker 6: providing healthcare.
Speaker 5: But the other side of that is these huge.
Speaker 6: Systems are all reimbursing in a way that always benefits them.
Speaker 6: The goal of our healthcare system should be to provide
Speaker 6: us healthcare, but in the end it ends up being
Speaker 6: to make either a health insurance company, or a hospital
Speaker 6: system or a pharmaceutical money, which means that all that
Speaker 6: money gets funneled out of our back pockets and splayed
Speaker 6: through these huge corporations, and that would end under Medicare
Speaker 6: for all.
Speaker 1: One of the questions I have is like, how do
Speaker 1: you protect doctors, Like, you know, these doctors are being crunched,
Speaker 1: and that's part of why you know they're being crunched
Speaker 1: with malpractice, insurance are being you know right now, it's
Speaker 1: like sort of a tough time to be a doctor.
Speaker 1: And then I want you to explain like in Canada,
Speaker 1: I have seen and a lot of my Canadian friends
Speaker 1: are actually sort of on the right, so they have
Speaker 1: shown me things in a way that I think helps
Speaker 1: their theories of the case. But I have seen that
Speaker 1: you can't have the doctor you want, or you can't
Speaker 1: like I mean, as someone who is an MDPHD, have
Speaker 1: you thought out the externalities of this.
Speaker 6: So number one, if you're a doctor right now practicing,
Speaker 6: as a lot of my classmates are, I mean, I
Speaker 6: graduate in medical school in twenty fourteen, that means that
Speaker 6: most of my classmates there, early on in their practice experience.
Speaker 5: They're complaining about a couple things.
Speaker 6: Number One, I still haven't paid off my medical debt
Speaker 6: from medical school. There is actually no reason that Medicare
Speaker 6: for All couldn't cover the cost of medical school for
Speaker 6: all graduates work in the system. We already cover the
Speaker 6: cost of postgraduate education in residency.
Speaker 1: And we should because we need more doctors in this country.
Speaker 1: It's a public service.
Speaker 5: We need more doctors. But it's also the incentive of
Speaker 5: what kind of doctor you become.
Speaker 6: If you're graduating with three hundred thousand dollars in medical
Speaker 6: debt and you're saying, I could make five hundred thousand
Speaker 6: dollars as a dermatologist or I can make two hundred
Speaker 6: thousand dollars as a pediatrician. Which one do you pick?
Speaker 6: And we want more pediatricians in the system. And part
Speaker 6: of the reason that we don't make them is because
Speaker 6: people are staring down the barrel at hundreds of thousands
Speaker 6: of dollars in medical debt. And on top of that,
Speaker 6: there are how many particularly really promising students of color
Speaker 6: who just can't stomach taking on those loans because they
Speaker 6: might not come from the same wealth, might not have
Speaker 6: family who can help allay some of those costs.
Speaker 5: And I wrote a paper back.
Speaker 6: When I was a professor on the cost and the
Speaker 6: choices of medical debt, and black students take on more
Speaker 6: medical debts systematically simply because of the consequences of structural racism.
Speaker 5: But those two big questions.
Speaker 6: The other one is, I'm worried about getting sued, and
Speaker 6: there's no reason that Medicare for All couldn't it couldn't
Speaker 6: insure all doctors legally, right, So that goes off the top.
Speaker 6: And then there's the question of how we get paid.
Speaker 6: So as the number of physicians being forced into practicing
Speaker 6: in large healthcare systems has grown, the proportion of reimbursement
Speaker 6: that goes to those large health systems has also grown
Speaker 6: because they have armies of lobbyists and doctors don't. So
Speaker 6: if you look over the past thirty years, physician or
Speaker 6: what we call the provider fee in a billing, has
Speaker 6: only gone up about twenty five percent hasn't kept up
Speaker 6: with inflation, but the facility fee has like doubled or tripled.
Speaker 6: So you're seeing big healthcare systems scoop more and more
Speaker 6: off the top, and so you're benefiting doctor right there
Speaker 6: by saying no, actually, we're going to change that around.
Speaker 5: Rather than more of that reimbursement going to.
Speaker 6: Facilities to pay their CEO who's overpaid, we're going to
Speaker 6: make sure that reimbursement goes back to doctors. And then
Speaker 6: the last thing I'll tell you is this, there is
Speaker 6: not a doctor that I know who is not frustrated
Speaker 6: by the fact that they're burning out because they cannot
Speaker 6: provide the health care that they want. They don't have
Speaker 6: the time, and they cannot see the patients who need
Speaker 6: them the most.
Speaker 5: And one of the most.
Speaker 6: Important things we could do under Medicare for All is
Speaker 6: change reimbursements for things like a regular office visit. Rather
Speaker 6: than an average of eight minutes of an office visit,
Speaker 6: we can give you fifteen twenty minutes, so you can
Speaker 6: actually spend time with your patient and get rewarded for
Speaker 6: doing that because you're actually taking care of the whole patient.
Speaker 5: But then even beyond that, we all know, in.
Speaker 6: Our healthcare system, if you are low income, it is
Speaker 6: hard for you to see a doctor in the first place.
Speaker 6: Medicaid reimburses at substantially lower rates, So we're asking doctors
Speaker 6: and hospitals and clinics to take a haircut for seeing
Speaker 6: the lowest income patients. But under Medicare for all, because
Speaker 6: the reimbursement would be the same regardless of your income,
Speaker 6: you can now actually care for the patients who need
Speaker 6: your care the most. Now, one of the points that
Speaker 6: you brought up was about Canada, and one of the
Speaker 6: big issues that I hear all the time is, well,
Speaker 6: what about the weight times? Do you know what the
Speaker 6: wait time in America for a cardiologist is on average
Speaker 6: two and a half months, And nobody tells you should
Speaker 6: see a cardiologist in two and a half months. Usually
Speaker 6: they're saying maybe two and a half hours, maybe two
Speaker 6: and a half days, but not two and a half months.
Speaker 5: But that's in our healthcare system as it stands.
Speaker 6: I think it's easy to cherry pick stories from other
Speaker 6: countries about what could go wrong. But here's the other
Speaker 6: thing I'll tell you, we're the richest, most powerful country
Speaker 6: in the world. We never look at a thing and say, well,
Speaker 6: we would do that worse. There is no reason that
Speaker 6: we couldn't provide guaranteed health care for everybody and do
Speaker 6: it way better than they do in Canada.
Speaker 5: No offense to my neighbors in Canada. I live a mission.
Speaker 5: We're a border stick. But we could do it better
Speaker 5: if we chose to.
Speaker 6: The reason we don't choose to is because there are
Speaker 6: too many very large industries who make a tremendous amount
Speaker 6: of money off the system as it is, pharmaceutical industry,
Speaker 6: hospital industry, health insurance industry.
Speaker 5: We could do it better. There is no reason why
Speaker 5: we could do better for cheaper.
Speaker 6: It's a matter of political will and it's a matter
Speaker 6: of standing up to the greed of the industry.
Speaker 1: So you're in this primary, it is there is a
Speaker 1: lot going on. Basically, Michigan is a really interesting state
Speaker 1: because and because you have a Muslim population, you have
Speaker 1: a Jewish population, you have it all. I was at
Speaker 1: the Democratic National Convention. I saw that they did not
Speaker 1: have a Muslim speaker. You know, we had Leon Panetta,
Speaker 1: but not a Muslim speaker that I think did not
Speaker 1: serve her for any number of reasons. Now I'm a Jew,
Speaker 1: very reform, but you know, certainly understand the importance of
Speaker 1: what Israel means to Jewish people. I also think net
Speaker 1: Yahoo's a complete lunatic, makes Trump look like Lincoln. So
Speaker 1: and I want to know what Michigan looks like, what
Speaker 1: the Muslim population feels, because some of them went for Trump,
Speaker 1: not most of them, but a small percentage, and they
Speaker 1: were used by Trump to try and get more people.
Speaker 1: You know, they were like one of these swing in
Speaker 1: groups that were used by him. And I want you
Speaker 1: to sort of talk through what you think went wrong
Speaker 1: there and why you think it's so hard to partner
Speaker 1: with a group that is just like any other group
Speaker 1: in this country.
Speaker 5: Let me try and break it up into a couple pieces.
Speaker 6: I think we tend to focus on the ethnic or
Speaker 6: religious dynamics of this, and I think in doing that
Speaker 6: we're doing a disservice to the broader principle. Here I'm
Speaker 6: running for Senate in Michigan, and here in Michigan, we've
Speaker 6: got schools that look like they did thirty years ago
Speaker 6: for lack of the funding to rebuild them. We've got
Speaker 6: crumbling infrastructure in the forms of roads and bridges and pipes.
Speaker 6: We just watched a pipe burst in Rochester Hills, which
Speaker 6: is home to Stilantis, known as Chrysler to a lot
Speaker 6: of folks, and we don't have the funding to rebuild that.
Speaker 6: We can't get our healthcare as we just talked about,
Speaker 6: and there's a bipartisan consensus on both sides of the
Speaker 6: Aisle that the best use of our Michigan tax dollars
Speaker 6: isn't to fix any of those programs, but instead is
Speaker 6: to send it abroad to foreign governments to buy them
Speaker 6: tanks and bombs. And that is I think just inconsistent
Speaker 6: with what we should be doing with our tax dollars.
Speaker 6: And I don't believe we should be subsidizing foreign militaries
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 5: That includes Israel.
Speaker 6: It also includes Egypt, It also includes Saudi Arabia and Jordan,
Speaker 6: it includes Pakistan. I just don't think that that's the
Speaker 6: best use of our tax dollars. That is one principle,
Speaker 6: but in particular when one of those countries is at
Speaker 6: baseline in apartheid state and then does a genocide and
Speaker 6: kills tens of thousands of children, tens of thousands more adults,
Speaker 6: and we sent them twenty two billion dollars to do it,
Speaker 6: and then their prime minister comes to our situation room
Speaker 6: and convinces a president like he's been trying to for
Speaker 6: forty years, to go to a war with no clear war,
Speaker 6: aims to spend another thirty billion of our tax dollars.
Speaker 6: Ask yourself what that means for a child in Michigan,
Speaker 6: whether they are a Jewish child or a Muslim child,
Speaker 6: or a Black child, or a white child, or any
Speaker 6: of the above.
Speaker 5: How does that make sense from a principal standpoint. So
Speaker 5: a lot of folks want to break this.
Speaker 6: Down into well, how are you going to keep these
Speaker 6: two communities together? And my answer to that is I'm
Speaker 6: going to lead with principle that the best use of
Speaker 6: our tax dollars is not to go to war. It's
Speaker 6: not to do genocide, it's not to uphold apartheid. It's
Speaker 6: to provide schools and infrastructure and healthcare for our children
Speaker 6: here at home. And I am Arab, I understand, I
Speaker 6: am Muslim. But neither is the Arab and Muslim community
Speaker 6: a monolith, nor is the Jewish community a monolith. Now
Speaker 6: I'm always told that somehow, because of my ethnic identity,
Speaker 6: that my opposition to what.
Speaker 5: The Israeli government is doing must be about my antipathy
Speaker 5: for another group of people.
Speaker 3: It is not.
Speaker 6: It is about my love for people generally, my love
Speaker 6: for the people in Michigan, my love for Jewish people
Speaker 6: who are being told that in their name our country
Speaker 6: ought to be subsidizing GM aside, my love for Palestinian
Speaker 6: people who are having their rights taken away from them,
Speaker 6: and ultimately, in any form of principle, our money should
Speaker 6: be used on us because we paid for it, That
Speaker 6: Jewish Israelis and Palestinians should have equal rights to peace, dignity,
Speaker 6: and self determination. That we should not be making ridiculous, unethical,
Speaker 6: immoral war. For all of those reasons, I believe that
Speaker 6: I don't want us to continue to send our money
Speaker 6: there when we should be using it here.
Speaker 5: I know that that's going to earn me.
Speaker 6: Votes both from Jewish community members who've invited me in,
Speaker 6: because they understand that I love and revere Jewish people
Speaker 6: and Judaism and Jewish culture and all that it is
Speaker 6: contributed in our country and across the world. And I
Speaker 6: understand that that love is the same as I have
Speaker 6: for Palestinians, and the same as I have.
Speaker 5: For kids here in Michigan.
Speaker 6: Now, is it going to lose me some votes for
Speaker 6: people who say, well, for me, Israel is important.
Speaker 5: Yes, it is.
Speaker 6: But I just don't think that at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, we can continue to allow this gamesmanship of
Speaker 6: what votes are you gonna win or lose? Right, or
Speaker 6: how much money are you going to get from large
Speaker 6: super PACs to dictate our morals to us. And so
Speaker 6: if folks disagree with my moral positions, I hope that
Speaker 6: they'll share where they disagree, but my principles and my
Speaker 6: positions map and if you can show me where they don't,
Speaker 6: then please do. I'd love to have a conversation about it.
Speaker 6: But nobody has actually shown me that. They just sort
Speaker 6: of go back and say, well, clearly you're against a
Speaker 6: group of people.
Speaker 5: I was like, no, I'm actually just for all people.
Speaker 1: And you are a doctor, which makes you an honorary Jew,
Speaker 1: because that is the highest level of Judaism, is doctor.
Speaker 5: The number of Jentas have come up to me and
Speaker 5: pinched my cheeks and just said.
Speaker 1: As a Jewish mother, doctor is the highest level of Judaism.
Speaker 1: One of the lost tribes of Israel. So I would
Speaker 1: love you to talk about this primary because Schumer, who
Speaker 1: is the leader of the party and who has yelled
Speaker 1: at me on the phone. Though he I'm not supposed
Speaker 1: to say that he has gotten involved in your primary.
Speaker 1: He has endorsed the I think the least good candidate
Speaker 1: in the field, Hailey Stevens, who is a member of Congress,
Speaker 1: but cannot get a sentence out. I said it, you didn't.
Speaker 1: We all know why he got involved in this primary,
Speaker 1: and it has a lot to do with APEC and
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with Israel. I'd love you
Speaker 1: to talk about what it is like in this primary. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, you have Senate, the leader of the minority,
Speaker 1: leader of the Senate getting involved, putting his finger on
Speaker 1: the scale. Is it working because we're at a moment where,
Speaker 1: you know, people are pretty mad at politicians on the
Speaker 1: left and the right. So is it actually helping you
Speaker 1: just talk us through what the landscape looks like for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I'm the only candidate in this race who
Speaker 6: the said of minority leader still opposes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really he really doesn't like you.
Speaker 5: You really don't like me, Like.
Speaker 1: It's the Bernie Staff right too.
Speaker 6: I've never met him, you know, and I don't think
Speaker 6: I will until, of course I win this primary, and
Speaker 6: then we'll have to have a conversation. But you know,
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, I'm not seeking his support.
Speaker 6: My conversation is with the ten million people in Michigan
Speaker 6: who are going to decide this election, and it always
Speaker 6: has been. I don't spend as much time thinking about
Speaker 6: the political gamesmanship of it all, and maybe to my detriment,
Speaker 6: but like I guess, I'm just not a politician that way.
Speaker 6: I'll let the other two folks running in this race
Speaker 6: figure that part out. But I think every day about
Speaker 6: how I can build a stronger, deeper relationship with the
Speaker 6: folks in the state so that they know exactly who
Speaker 6: I am, why I want to break the chokehold that
Speaker 6: corporations like dt Our Local Utility and Blue Cross Boushield
Speaker 6: have had on our politics for a very long time,
Speaker 6: so that I can start to stand up for the
Speaker 6: kind of economic opportunities that too many people in the
Speaker 6: state can't get. Address the fact that you can't afford
Speaker 6: your groceries, you can't afford your health care, your kid
Speaker 6: goes to a broken school, and you're paying five bucks
Speaker 6: a gallon in gas and finally guarantee you the healthcare
Speaker 6: that you need and deserve.
Speaker 5: So, you know, I don't know why he doesn't like
Speaker 5: me that much.
Speaker 6: I have some ideas, but you know, most of the
Speaker 6: time that doesn't really bother me that much.
Speaker 5: Now here's the thing.
Speaker 1: But does it help you on in the field or
Speaker 1: does it hurt you in the field. That's more of
Speaker 1: my question.
Speaker 6: I don't know because I don't spend much time talking
Speaker 6: about it. There's another candidate spends a lot of time
Speaker 6: talking about Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 5: I just don't like.
Speaker 6: I think the conversations folks are having are not about
Speaker 6: who the Senate Minority leader is. The folks people are
Speaker 6: having are what are you going to do about my groceries?
Speaker 6: What are you going to do about this ridiculous war
Speaker 6: that's raising my gas price? Is? What are you going
Speaker 6: to do about the fact that I can't see a doctor?
Speaker 6: So I don't know if it's helping.
Speaker 5: Me or hurting me.
Speaker 6: What I do know is that they are going to
Speaker 6: you know, a pack through one of its many many
Speaker 6: shell organizations, just did a five point five million dollar
Speaker 6: buy and from what we hear, they're going to do
Speaker 6: another five of those and that they're probably going to
Speaker 6: be coming from my face. We know that a lot
Speaker 6: of the folks are on the inside are constantly pushing
Speaker 6: miss and disinformation about me and my record, But all
Speaker 6: of that doesn't matter as much as making sure that
Speaker 6: folks understand that I'm not here to defend myself, like
Speaker 6: I'm here to defend them against a system that has
Speaker 6: been corrupted by the likes of corporations and special interests
Speaker 6: that are who are trying to do the same thing
Speaker 6: to corrupt this election to so I just try to
Speaker 6: just focus on the main issue and just not spend
Speaker 6: as much time with it. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe that's
Speaker 6: the Achilles heel, but I'm just not doing this because
Speaker 6: I care as much about the politics of it all.
Speaker 6: I care about the service of it all. So I'm
Speaker 6: just going to focus there, and so long as I
Speaker 6: can answer the questions that people have about how we're
Speaker 6: going to make their life more livable, how we're going
Speaker 6: to make their budget work every month, how we're going
Speaker 6: to make sure they can see a doctor, I feel
Speaker 6: like I'm answering the questions that really matter.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 3: A moment.
Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon by jump Fast.
Speaker 2: So one of the things we talk about when we
Speaker 2: talk about ICE is, you know, this is the unemployable
Speaker 2: having a war on the employed, and that these people
Speaker 2: are not careful, that they do not really care if
Speaker 2: they're careful, they don't care if they mess up.
Speaker 3: They don't really care about the collateral damage.
Speaker 2: And if that was ever evidenced, is this article on
Speaker 2: Reason magazine about how a US citizen is suing ICE
Speaker 2: for arresting them twice.
Speaker 3: And they just did it a third time because who
Speaker 3: cares if they mess up?
Speaker 1: Famous lefty magazine Reason, Oh yeah, oh yeah, known to
Speaker 1: be the home of liberals and do not at all
Speaker 1: funded by the Koch brothers, if you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, not all the bible of right
Speaker 2: wing libertarianism, not.
Speaker 1: At all the Republican second son's favorite reading source. Okay,
Speaker 1: so here we go. What is happening. I know you're
Speaker 1: going to be shocked to hear this, but as my
Speaker 1: my man Brett Kavanaugh said when he talks about those
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh stops, you are technically allowed by this according to
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. I guess maybe they walked it back,
Speaker 1: but you're allowed to stop people if they look Mexican,
Speaker 1: because it's called Kavanaugh stops, and if you look like
Speaker 1: you're not a white guy, you can get stopped by ice.
Speaker 1: And turns out, guess what happens. You get stopped by
Speaker 1: Ice again and again and again. I am not laughing
Speaker 1: because it's so fucking horrible, but it is also you
Speaker 1: have to admit kind of insane that my man, this
Speaker 1: is his third Ice stop. By the way, we're seeing
Speaker 1: people like detained in these jails for like a year.
Speaker 1: I mean, these people are losing a year of their
Speaker 1: lives because these ICE people can't read like a document.
Speaker 1: And it is like this is like authoritarianism but very
Speaker 1: very very stupid. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.
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