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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and a shocking new poll from Atlas

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Speaker 1: Intel has Marco Rubio at forty five percent compared to JD.

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Speaker 1: Evans at thirty percent in the twenty twenty eight Republican

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Speaker 1: primary polling. We have such a great show for you today.

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Speaker 1: New York's twelfth District's congressional candidate George Conway Stopspy to

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Speaker 1: talk about Trump's derangemental state. Then we'll talk to Michigan

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Speaker 1: Senate candidate in the Democratic primary, Doctor Abdul al said

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Speaker 1: about why he is the right candidate for Senate in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: But first the news, Sami.

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Speaker 2: We have had some wage games in this country because

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Speaker 2: we've had a great run of the economy for quite

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Speaker 2: a long time, and the inflation of Donald Trump's presidency

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Speaker 2: has wiped them all up.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is the line I would say, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: has made inflation higher. The guy who you elected to

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Speaker 1: make inflation lower has made it higher. And how has

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Speaker 1: he done it well? It has taken a lot of

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Speaker 1: stupid over the last eighteen months to get here. But

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Speaker 1: what has he done. He's done tariffs, which are inflationary,

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Speaker 1: and then that might have been okay. But my man

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Speaker 1: did the thing that every other president has known not

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Speaker 1: to do since Bill Clinton, which is he went to

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Speaker 1: war with Iran. And Iran as everyone knew, they would

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Speaker 1: close the straits, and the straits are closed. And now

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Speaker 1: oil and gas are about a dollar and change more

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Speaker 1: expensive in the United States. And don't get me started

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Speaker 1: on diesel. This is exactly what everyone said would happen.

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Speaker 1: I want to rephrase this because I think it's so important.

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Speaker 1: Trump does exactly the thing that everyone says not to do.

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Speaker 1: Don't put your hand to the stove, don't go to

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Speaker 1: war with Iran. It's very expensive. They have a much

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Speaker 1: higher pain tolerance than you do. As we've seen. It's

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Speaker 1: an enormous country, eighty million people. This is like going

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Speaker 1: to war with California if California had nothing to lose.

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Speaker 1: And these inflationary numbers are what we should expect. So

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Speaker 1: it was higher than wages, which means that wages grew

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Speaker 1: inflation z point two percent higher than that, which means

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Speaker 1: you may have gotten more money, but your gas is,

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Speaker 1: as all of us know, quite a bit more expensive

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Speaker 1: at the pump. We are heading into summer. Summer is

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Speaker 1: the time when Americans get in their car and take vacations.

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Speaker 1: It's also the time when richer Americans get on airplanes

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Speaker 1: more expensive because jet fuel is this most expensive kind

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Speaker 1: It is just a perfect storm. We are heading out

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Speaker 1: into the summer. People are going to be mad. And

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump did this, and they understand that he did

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Speaker 1: this because he could not even come up with any

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Speaker 1: sort of way to sell this war to the American people,

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Speaker 1: so he just did it. And now the American people

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Speaker 1: are mad.

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Speaker 2: Let me back you up with some data here at

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Speaker 2: less Intel Pulling, which is one of the most reliable

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Speaker 2: pollsters to pull on do items cost less under Biden

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Speaker 2: or Trump? Nearly every single item, beef, electricity, coffee, gas, chicken, bread, milk,

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Speaker 2: your house, bananas, eggs almost double on nearly every item

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Speaker 2: people say it costs less under Biden.

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Speaker 1: That's because it did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, But It shows that their whole press

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Speaker 2: strategy is don't believe your lying eyes, and people are

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Speaker 1: And you know, it goes back to this idea that

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Speaker 1: I often talk about with Gourbidal, who was someone I

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Speaker 1: of Amnesia. We know nothing, we remember nothing. Everything goes

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Speaker 2: So the way Republicans are counteracting that, of course, is

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Speaker 1: Look, the Supreme Court has decided to be just completely partisan.

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Speaker 1: Now that does not mean the entire Supreme Court, because

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Speaker 1: here's what's happening Republicans in the Supreme Court. The six

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Speaker 1: I think Trump may be in more trouble than any things.

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Speaker 1: But that is what is happening here, and the Supreme

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Speaker 2: So what goes hand in hand with this is the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court's decision on the Voting Rights Act. And we've

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Speaker 2: been talking about how Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry has been

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Speaker 2: him the other night really really showed the egregiousness of

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Speaker 1: A lot of people who followed the law think that

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Speaker 1: you should not stop the voting during a primary. So

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Speaker 1: the voting had already started, but Landry was like, I

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Speaker 1: need to make my man Donald Trump happy. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to redistrict even though people are voting. And so

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Speaker 1: what is he doing. He's throwing out these forty five

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Speaker 1: thousand ballots. Now, it is a big deal because it's

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Speaker 1: shows that the Louisiana governor does not give a fuck

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Speaker 1: interesting because I was watching that interview with Major Garrett.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of really good journalists still at CBS,

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Speaker 3: But according to reporting today, not for long.

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Speaker 1: Oh are they all getting fired?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the week that today.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, the last gasps of journalism still live at

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Speaker 1: It's certainly worth wondering why the prime minister of another

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Speaker 2: So one of the interesting things is, you know, people

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Speaker 2: seemingly for the most part. But one of the things

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Speaker 2: is that twenty percent of Americans who are using Obamacare

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Speaker 1: And we talked about this. I actually did a video

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Speaker 1: Democrats did it. I know we're not supposed to say that,

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing, a twenty percent decline in enrollment in

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Speaker 1: thirty states. That's because now Obamacare is, you know, a

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Speaker 1: and that gas prices, food prices, healthcare prices. Like something's

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Speaker 1: And while that is cheaper on the short term and

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Speaker 1: And remember this was all because of Dode because Republicans

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Speaker 1: and look you have this going well. On the other

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Speaker 1: about how expensive this war is. We're spending like gonna

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump yet again making crisises that did not exist. Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's Molly john Fast here. My memoir How to Lose

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Speaker 1: it up. George Conway is a candidate in the Democratic

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Speaker 1: primary in New York's twelfth congressional district. Welcome, Welcome, George Conway.

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Speaker 1: So last night you may have had a fun night

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Speaker 1: But last night he posted fifty five times in three hours.

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Speaker 1: This is the leader of the free world, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how free we are. But he started

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Speaker 1: so that is an interesting coup. Then ten fifteen again,

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Speaker 4: I don't have the exact quote, so he is you know,

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Speaker 1: Now I agree, but I also like the gas prices

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Speaker 4: And that was always the calculus with them. They decided

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Speaker 1: that gets the Senate correct.

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Speaker 4: And that's you know, as you may know, I'm running

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Speaker 4: for public office. I'm running for the House, and that's

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Speaker 4: basically my theory, and that's the reason why I'm running.

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Speaker 4: To push that process and to make sure it happens

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Speaker 4: faster rather than slower, and that people and that people

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Speaker 4: don't in a sort of defeatst way say we can't

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 5: We can't do it.

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Speaker 4: No matter how things bad things get, because I think

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Speaker 4: that's just I think that's that's a cop out. B.

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Speaker 4: I think it's bad for the country. C. I think

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Speaker 4: it's cowardly, and D it's just the wrong thing to do.

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Speaker 1: It's stupid for surviving as a country. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that as we watch this moment unfold that Democrats because

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Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of like this redistricting, the Voting

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Speaker 1: Rights Act. I mean, this was pretty crazy what came

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Speaker 1: out in Supreme Court last week. You know, no more

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Speaker 1: minority majority districts than a redraw. Well in some states

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Speaker 1: will primaries primary voters were voting. I wonder like it

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Speaker 1: does feel like Democrats are unable. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: this is so outside of the norms, and Democrats seem

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Speaker 1: unable to fight back in the same kind of way. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe again, you know that we do have one party

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Speaker 1: that does respect the role of law and one party

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Speaker 1: that doesn't. And so I'm not saying I'm not criticizing

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Speaker 1: Democrats for this, because I know this is an impossible situation,

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Speaker 1: but I'm more just what's your take on this?

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Speaker 4: Well, you packed the lot into that answer. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think ultimately we have to get through a system

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Speaker 4: where there is no racial jerrymandering and there is no

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Speaker 4: political gerrymandering, and where districts are set by you know,

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Speaker 4: criteria that is neutral both as to race into politics,

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Speaker 4: and unfortunately we're not there.

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Speaker 1: And the whole idea on an obvious artisan drawn lines

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Speaker 1: is insane.

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Speaker 4: It is insane. It's all insane. I think the Democrats

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Speaker 4: have been doing what they have to do to play self,

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Speaker 4: to play defense against people who are changing the rules

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Speaker 4: in the middle of the game. But at the end

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Speaker 4: of the day, I don't think it's going to make

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Speaker 4: a difference, because, first of all, I think things are

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Speaker 4: getting have gotten to the point that they're so bad

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Speaker 4: that Trump would lose no matter how you drew The

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Speaker 4: Republicans will lose no matter how you draw these districts.

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Speaker 4: And I actually think that in some cases talking to

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Speaker 4: some people who know more about it than me, like

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Speaker 4: I say Mike Madrid, who's an expert in the Hispanic

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Speaker 4: vote the gerrymandering, that some of the political gerrymandering, which

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Speaker 4: I know is borderline, has probably raced jerry mandering. Also

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Speaker 4: that the Republicans have been doing in places like Texas

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Speaker 4: may actually hurt them, right, because what you're doing, the

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Speaker 4: way what you do to redistrict, if you're trying to

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Speaker 4: help yourself, is you want to spread your voters among

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Speaker 4: more districts. But if you spread your voters among more districts,

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Speaker 4: that means you're making your margins in some districts smaller.

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Speaker 1: And so most people going on a twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Map correct and you're counting on say, very strong showing

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Speaker 4: among Hispanics in Texas, you know, and that's the assumption

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Speaker 4: by which you've drawn the map. Then you have effectively

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Speaker 4: what people are calling it now, dummymanded yourself because you're

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Speaker 4: actually spreading out blue voters and not red voters. And

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Speaker 4: you know, you could actually compound an electoral loss by

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Speaker 4: trying to redistrict a state in your favor. So there

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Speaker 4: are a lot of things here. This is, you know,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of This is all very complex and

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Speaker 4: multi dimensional about deals with demographics, It deals with voter attitudes,

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Speaker 4: It deals with different segments of the population going different

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Speaker 4: ways in terms of how they're responding to the economic

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Speaker 4: and political environment. And I think that the bottom line is,

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Speaker 4: even if the Republicans managed to take back one of

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Speaker 4: the some one or two of the seats that they

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Speaker 4: would have lost under to say, the Virginia Plan is

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Speaker 4: not going to help them in the Yet they're still

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Speaker 4: not going to have a majority in the House. And

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Speaker 4: that's all that matters, because all it takes two hundred

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Speaker 4: All it takes is two hundred and eighteen votes to

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Speaker 4: impeach president.

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Speaker 1: It strikes me that there are Democrats who are not

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Speaker 1: craven and ambitious in the way that the Federalist society

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Speaker 1: has been able to be craven and ambitious. They have

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Speaker 1: not done the kind of stuff that needed to happen

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Speaker 1: to protect or, you know, our democracy. And I think

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Speaker 1: of and look, it's not their fault. This has been

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Speaker 1: a im possible situation. But I just wonder, if you

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Speaker 1: were to get to win this seat, like there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of frustration at Jeffreys for being a good guy

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Speaker 1: and maybe not a killer, do you would you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: would you vote to support him? Continuing on?

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Speaker 4: In leadership, I'm going to support whoever has the support

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Speaker 4: of the majority of Democrats, and I think that's going

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Speaker 4: to be leader Jeffries. And I think, you know, I

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Speaker 4: think part of the problem is, to the extent there

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Speaker 4: is a problem, is that the leader of a caucus

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Speaker 4: can't get too far in front of the caucus itself.

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Speaker 4: And I'm what I'm hopeful for is that the caucus

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Speaker 4: is going to elect more people who want to push harder,

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Speaker 4: and that's going to give more running room, and it's

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Speaker 4: going to help leader Jeffries go in the direction that

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Speaker 4: you and I might like him to go. And so

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Speaker 4: I again, I think I think there's I think there's

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Speaker 4: going to be a different dynamic on January third, twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty seven, if the elections go the way I think

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Speaker 4: they're going to go. And I think I understand the

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Speaker 4: theory of some Democrats in leadership that in order to

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Speaker 4: win swing dis stricts you have to stick to the

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Speaker 4: economic part and the less talk less about Trump. And

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Speaker 4: I think I understand their reasoning because I think that

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Speaker 4: when you when when a lot of people hear Democrats

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Speaker 4: talk about Trump, they just think, oh, it's more of

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Speaker 4: the same, more of these are just leftists and they

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Speaker 4: don't like Trump because he's their leftists. And I think

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Speaker 4: that's going to change, because I think people are going

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Speaker 4: to not like Trump because they're paying six dollars at

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Speaker 4: the pump for a ballon for the asoline. And I

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Speaker 4: think it's going to change, like I can help change

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Speaker 4: it because they can't say that about me because that's

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Speaker 4: not my pedigree. All right, I'm here because this guy

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Speaker 4: was bad. He's a liar, he's a criminal. He lied

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Speaker 4: to you and now he's screwing you over big time

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Speaker 4: and making your life more difficult because he's only in

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Speaker 4: it for himself. And again that that's sort of that's

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Speaker 4: going to be an art. I think that it is

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Speaker 4: going to become more and more. We're going to hear more.

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Speaker 4: I think democratics, democratic candidates make as they get into

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Speaker 4: the November elections as the economy gets in more difficult,

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Speaker 4: even if even if they if somehow he managed to

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Speaker 4: end the ward turn everything back to the status status

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Speaker 4: bohonte in in Iran, you know, there's still going to

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Speaker 4: be a shortage of gasoline for months and they are

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Speaker 4: not going to go down and things are actually going

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Speaker 4: to get worse. So I think that what's going to

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Speaker 4: happen is that we're I think the Democrats are if

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Speaker 4: they if they play their cards right, if we play

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Speaker 4: our cards right. I think the Democratic Party is going

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Speaker 4: to be like the Challenging Party. I don't know what

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Speaker 4: the name of the party was, but you know my

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Speaker 4: Yar's opposition party in Hungary, to explain to the public

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Speaker 4: that these guys are are screwing you, they are in

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Speaker 4: it for themselves, they don't care about you and their crooks.

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Speaker 4: And I think that message, at the end of the

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Speaker 4: day is going to be the message that people are

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Speaker 4: going to just innately realizes the correct message in the

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Speaker 4: fact by November. And I think that's going to change

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Speaker 4: the complexion of the House. I think it's going to

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Speaker 4: change the complexion of the electorate. I think it's going

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Speaker 4: to change the complexion of the House majority. And I

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Speaker 4: think I think that the leadership of the House is

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Speaker 4: going to respond accordingly. And so I think I think,

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Speaker 4: I think we're going to end up heading in the

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Speaker 4: right direction. And I don't think I don't. I think

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Speaker 4: Speaker Jefferies will be able to lead us there.

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Speaker 1: George Conway, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Abdul l Sayid is a candidate for the Democratic

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Speaker 1: nomination for Senate in the Great State of Michigan and

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Speaker 1: He is the former director of the Department of Health,

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Speaker 1: Human and Veteran Services for Wayne County. Welcome, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: fast politics, Molly.

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Speaker 5: It's always a privilege to be with you. Thank you

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Speaker 5: for having me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you are running in this very tight, very

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Speaker 1: exciting three way primary in Michigan for the Democratic Senate nomination.

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Speaker 1: Let's just go back to your central plank here, which

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Speaker 1: is money out of politics and Medicare for all.

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Speaker 6: Money out of politics, money in your pocket, and Medicare

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Speaker 6: for all. Yeah, so money out of politics. I don't

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Speaker 6: take corporate money. I'm the only candidate my race, Democrat

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Speaker 6: or Republican who never has and never will. I think

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Speaker 6: it is what is corrupting our politics at the outset.

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Speaker 6: It's the reason why we pay more for the stuff

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Speaker 6: we got to buy, get paid less for the work

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Speaker 6: we do. Watch our tax dollars get misappropriated abroad to

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Speaker 6: drop bombs and buy tanks for foreign militaries instead of

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Speaker 6: investing in you, in your schools, in your healthcare, and

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Speaker 6: money in your pocket. We've got to stand with unions.

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Speaker 6: We've got a tax billionaires their wealth. We've got to

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Speaker 6: enforce our anti oligopoly and anti monopoly policies through the FTC,

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Speaker 6: and we've got to stop sending our money over there

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Speaker 6: so we can use it over here, and then Medicare

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Speaker 6: for All.

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Speaker 5: We're the richest, most powerful country in the world.

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Speaker 6: There is absolutely no reason why we have a collective

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Speaker 6: two hundred and twenty five billion dollars in medical debt,

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Speaker 6: which is more than the GDP of half of the

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Speaker 6: states in this country. We can buy every American out

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Speaker 6: of the worry of having to pay for a premium,

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Speaker 6: a copay, or a deductive bleth through Medicare for All,

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Speaker 6: and I think we should.

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Speaker 1: So you have a MD and a PhD that you

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Speaker 1: haven't done your residency, which means that you are still

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Speaker 1: a doctor, disappointing many on the dumbest line of attack.

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Speaker 1: So you're a doctor, so you know what doctors do?

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Speaker 1: How would that shape your Medicare for All? Because like

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of problems when it comes to healthcare

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Speaker 1: in this country that involve like you get an MRI

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Speaker 1: on eighty sixth Street and it costs a certain amount.

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Speaker 1: You get one on eighty seventh Street and it's half

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Speaker 1: the price. Just like structural problems that are making it

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Speaker 1: all much more expensive.

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Speaker 6: I love this question, Mollie, because the user experience for

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Speaker 6: most of us as patients would be that you have

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Speaker 6: a Medicare card in your back pocket, and that card

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Speaker 6: is good for healthcare wherever you need it. No premium

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Speaker 6: meaning the what you pay every two weeks or four

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Speaker 6: weeks that goes away. No copay meaning what you pay

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Speaker 6: at the point of healthcare, No deductible what you have

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Speaker 6: to pay before the health insurance kicks in.

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Speaker 5: That all goes away.

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Speaker 6: It is there for you from cradle to grave, does

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Speaker 6: not leave you. If you turn twenty six, or get married,

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Speaker 6: get divorced, or get a job, lose a job, or

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Speaker 6: turn sixty five. It is there for you, good for

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Speaker 6: healthcare whatever you need it. But on the inside of

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Speaker 6: the healthcare system it has a number of positive benefits too.

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Speaker 5: One of the biggest challenges that.

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Speaker 6: We have with our healthcare, as you just mentioned, is

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Speaker 6: the fact that there's different prices for the same exact

652
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Speaker 6: healthcare depending upon where you go. And that's because reimbursement

653
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Speaker 6: rates get negotiated between big healthcare systems and big health

654
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Speaker 6: insurance companies in a way.

655
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Speaker 5: That's completely opaque.

656
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Speaker 6: In fact, they call it part of their own trade secrets,

657
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Speaker 6: which is absurd. And if you're a private practice physician

658
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Speaker 6: out there trying to provide healthcare to the public, you're

659
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Speaker 6: getting a worse deal than the large healthcare systems because

660
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Speaker 6: the large healthcare systems ineffect negotiate in bulk, so they

661
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 6: get way better reimbursement rates. And it's part of the

662
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 6: reason you actually can't figure out what you're actually going

663
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Speaker 6: to have to pay for the healthcare that.

664
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Speaker 5: You get when you need it.

665
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Speaker 6: And then part of the challenge is that these big

666
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 6: healthcare systems use their negotiations in effect to squeeze out

667
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Speaker 6: the little guy and buy up their practices or other hospitals.

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Speaker 6: It's the reason that we've seen this massive health care consolidation.

669
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Speaker 6: Met Biccare for All would help to address that in

670
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Speaker 6: a lot of ways. There is one price that Medicare

671
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 6: would pay any provider, so it doesn't matter if you're

672
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Speaker 6: a big healthcare system or you're a private practitioner, you're

673
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Speaker 6: getting the same reimbursement.

674
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Speaker 5: What that means is if you're a private practitioner, you're

675
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Speaker 5: providing better care and patients choose you.

676
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 6: You can also grow and you can build a business

677
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Speaker 6: providing healthcare.

678
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Speaker 5: But the other side of that is these huge.

679
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 6: Systems are all reimbursing in a way that always benefits them.

680
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 6: The goal of our healthcare system should be to provide

681
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Speaker 6: us healthcare, but in the end it ends up being

682
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Speaker 6: to make either a health insurance company, or a hospital

683
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 6: system or a pharmaceutical money, which means that all that

684
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 6: money gets funneled out of our back pockets and splayed

685
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Speaker 6: through these huge corporations, and that would end under Medicare

686
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Speaker 6: for all.

687
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Speaker 1: One of the questions I have is like, how do

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Speaker 1: you protect doctors, Like, you know, these doctors are being crunched,

689
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Speaker 1: and that's part of why you know they're being crunched

690
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: with malpractice, insurance are being you know right now, it's

691
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Speaker 1: like sort of a tough time to be a doctor.

692
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Speaker 1: And then I want you to explain like in Canada,

693
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Speaker 1: I have seen and a lot of my Canadian friends

694
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Speaker 1: are actually sort of on the right, so they have

695
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Speaker 1: shown me things in a way that I think helps

696
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: their theories of the case. But I have seen that

697
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Speaker 1: you can't have the doctor you want, or you can't

698
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Speaker 1: like I mean, as someone who is an MDPHD, have

699
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Speaker 1: you thought out the externalities of this.

700
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Speaker 6: So number one, if you're a doctor right now practicing,

701
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Speaker 6: as a lot of my classmates are, I mean, I

702
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 6: graduate in medical school in twenty fourteen, that means that

703
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 6: most of my classmates there, early on in their practice experience.

704
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Speaker 5: They're complaining about a couple things.

705
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Speaker 6: Number One, I still haven't paid off my medical debt

706
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 6: from medical school. There is actually no reason that Medicare

707
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 6: for All couldn't cover the cost of medical school for

708
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 6: all graduates work in the system. We already cover the

709
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 6: cost of postgraduate education in residency.

710
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Speaker 1: And we should because we need more doctors in this country.

711
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: It's a public service.

712
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 5: We need more doctors. But it's also the incentive of

713
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 5: what kind of doctor you become.

714
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Speaker 6: If you're graduating with three hundred thousand dollars in medical

715
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Speaker 6: debt and you're saying, I could make five hundred thousand

716
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 6: dollars as a dermatologist or I can make two hundred

717
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 6: thousand dollars as a pediatrician. Which one do you pick?

718
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Speaker 6: And we want more pediatricians in the system. And part

719
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Speaker 6: of the reason that we don't make them is because

720
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 6: people are staring down the barrel at hundreds of thousands

721
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 6: of dollars in medical debt. And on top of that,

722
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Speaker 6: there are how many particularly really promising students of color

723
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 6: who just can't stomach taking on those loans because they

724
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Speaker 6: might not come from the same wealth, might not have

725
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Speaker 6: family who can help allay some of those costs.

726
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Speaker 5: And I wrote a paper back.

727
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Speaker 6: When I was a professor on the cost and the

728
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Speaker 6: choices of medical debt, and black students take on more

729
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Speaker 6: medical debts systematically simply because of the consequences of structural racism.

730
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Speaker 5: But those two big questions.

731
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Speaker 6: The other one is, I'm worried about getting sued, and

732
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Speaker 6: there's no reason that Medicare for All couldn't it couldn't

733
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Speaker 6: insure all doctors legally, right, So that goes off the top.

734
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Speaker 6: And then there's the question of how we get paid.

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Speaker 6: So as the number of physicians being forced into practicing

736
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Speaker 6: in large healthcare systems has grown, the proportion of reimbursement

737
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Speaker 6: that goes to those large health systems has also grown

738
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Speaker 6: because they have armies of lobbyists and doctors don't. So

739
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Speaker 6: if you look over the past thirty years, physician or

740
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Speaker 6: what we call the provider fee in a billing, has

741
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Speaker 6: only gone up about twenty five percent hasn't kept up

742
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Speaker 6: with inflation, but the facility fee has like doubled or tripled.

743
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Speaker 6: So you're seeing big healthcare systems scoop more and more

744
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Speaker 6: off the top, and so you're benefiting doctor right there

745
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Speaker 6: by saying no, actually, we're going to change that around.

746
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Speaker 5: Rather than more of that reimbursement going to.

747
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Speaker 6: Facilities to pay their CEO who's overpaid, we're going to

748
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Speaker 6: make sure that reimbursement goes back to doctors. And then

749
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Speaker 6: the last thing I'll tell you is this, there is

750
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Speaker 6: not a doctor that I know who is not frustrated

751
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Speaker 6: by the fact that they're burning out because they cannot

752
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Speaker 6: provide the health care that they want. They don't have

753
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Speaker 6: the time, and they cannot see the patients who need

754
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Speaker 6: them the most.

755
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Speaker 5: And one of the most.

756
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Speaker 6: Important things we could do under Medicare for All is

757
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Speaker 6: change reimbursements for things like a regular office visit. Rather

758
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 6: than an average of eight minutes of an office visit,

759
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 6: we can give you fifteen twenty minutes, so you can

760
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Speaker 6: actually spend time with your patient and get rewarded for

761
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Speaker 6: doing that because you're actually taking care of the whole patient.

762
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Speaker 5: But then even beyond that, we all know, in.

763
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Speaker 6: Our healthcare system, if you are low income, it is

764
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Speaker 6: hard for you to see a doctor in the first place.

765
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Speaker 6: Medicaid reimburses at substantially lower rates, So we're asking doctors

766
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Speaker 6: and hospitals and clinics to take a haircut for seeing

767
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 6: the lowest income patients. But under Medicare for all, because

768
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Speaker 6: the reimbursement would be the same regardless of your income,

769
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Speaker 6: you can now actually care for the patients who need

770
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Speaker 6: your care the most. Now, one of the points that

771
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Speaker 6: you brought up was about Canada, and one of the

772
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Speaker 6: big issues that I hear all the time is, well,

773
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Speaker 6: what about the weight times? Do you know what the

774
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Speaker 6: wait time in America for a cardiologist is on average

775
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 6: two and a half months, And nobody tells you should

776
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Speaker 6: see a cardiologist in two and a half months. Usually

777
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 6: they're saying maybe two and a half hours, maybe two

778
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 6: and a half days, but not two and a half months.

779
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Speaker 5: But that's in our healthcare system as it stands.

780
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Speaker 6: I think it's easy to cherry pick stories from other

781
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Speaker 6: countries about what could go wrong. But here's the other

782
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Speaker 6: thing I'll tell you, we're the richest, most powerful country

783
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Speaker 6: in the world. We never look at a thing and say, well,

784
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Speaker 6: we would do that worse. There is no reason that

785
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 6: we couldn't provide guaranteed health care for everybody and do

786
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 6: it way better than they do in Canada.

787
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Speaker 5: No offense to my neighbors in Canada. I live a mission.

788
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Speaker 5: We're a border stick. But we could do it better

789
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Speaker 5: if we chose to.

790
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Speaker 6: The reason we don't choose to is because there are

791
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Speaker 6: too many very large industries who make a tremendous amount

792
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Speaker 6: of money off the system as it is, pharmaceutical industry,

793
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Speaker 6: hospital industry, health insurance industry.

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Speaker 5: We could do it better. There is no reason why

795
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Speaker 5: we could do better for cheaper.

796
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Speaker 6: It's a matter of political will and it's a matter

797
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Speaker 6: of standing up to the greed of the industry.

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Speaker 1: So you're in this primary, it is there is a

799
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Speaker 1: lot going on. Basically, Michigan is a really interesting state

800
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Speaker 1: because and because you have a Muslim population, you have

801
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Speaker 1: a Jewish population, you have it all. I was at

802
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Speaker 1: the Democratic National Convention. I saw that they did not

803
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Speaker 1: have a Muslim speaker. You know, we had Leon Panetta,

804
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Speaker 1: but not a Muslim speaker that I think did not

805
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Speaker 1: serve her for any number of reasons. Now I'm a Jew,

806
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Speaker 1: very reform, but you know, certainly understand the importance of

807
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Speaker 1: what Israel means to Jewish people. I also think net

808
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Speaker 1: Yahoo's a complete lunatic, makes Trump look like Lincoln. So

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Speaker 1: and I want to know what Michigan looks like, what

810
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Speaker 1: the Muslim population feels, because some of them went for Trump,

811
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Speaker 1: not most of them, but a small percentage, and they

812
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Speaker 1: were used by Trump to try and get more people.

813
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Speaker 1: You know, they were like one of these swing in

814
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Speaker 1: groups that were used by him. And I want you

815
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Speaker 1: to sort of talk through what you think went wrong

816
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Speaker 1: there and why you think it's so hard to partner

817
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Speaker 1: with a group that is just like any other group

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Speaker 1: in this country.

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Speaker 5: Let me try and break it up into a couple pieces.

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Speaker 6: I think we tend to focus on the ethnic or

821
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Speaker 6: religious dynamics of this, and I think in doing that

822
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Speaker 6: we're doing a disservice to the broader principle. Here I'm

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Speaker 6: running for Senate in Michigan, and here in Michigan, we've

824
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Speaker 6: got schools that look like they did thirty years ago

825
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Speaker 6: for lack of the funding to rebuild them. We've got

826
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Speaker 6: crumbling infrastructure in the forms of roads and bridges and pipes.

827
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Speaker 6: We just watched a pipe burst in Rochester Hills, which

828
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Speaker 6: is home to Stilantis, known as Chrysler to a lot

829
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Speaker 6: of folks, and we don't have the funding to rebuild that.

830
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Speaker 6: We can't get our healthcare as we just talked about,

831
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Speaker 6: and there's a bipartisan consensus on both sides of the

832
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Speaker 6: Aisle that the best use of our Michigan tax dollars

833
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Speaker 6: isn't to fix any of those programs, but instead is

834
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Speaker 6: to send it abroad to foreign governments to buy them

835
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Speaker 6: tanks and bombs. And that is I think just inconsistent

836
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Speaker 6: with what we should be doing with our tax dollars.

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Speaker 6: And I don't believe we should be subsidizing foreign militaries

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Speaker 6: at all.

839
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Speaker 5: That includes Israel.

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Speaker 6: It also includes Egypt, It also includes Saudi Arabia and Jordan,

841
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Speaker 6: it includes Pakistan. I just don't think that that's the

842
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 6: best use of our tax dollars. That is one principle,

843
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Speaker 6: but in particular when one of those countries is at

844
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Speaker 6: baseline in apartheid state and then does a genocide and

845
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Speaker 6: kills tens of thousands of children, tens of thousands more adults,

846
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Speaker 6: and we sent them twenty two billion dollars to do it,

847
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Speaker 6: and then their prime minister comes to our situation room

848
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Speaker 6: and convinces a president like he's been trying to for

849
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Speaker 6: forty years, to go to a war with no clear war,

850
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Speaker 6: aims to spend another thirty billion of our tax dollars.

851
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Speaker 6: Ask yourself what that means for a child in Michigan,

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Speaker 6: whether they are a Jewish child or a Muslim child,

853
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Speaker 6: or a Black child, or a white child, or any

854
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Speaker 6: of the above.

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Speaker 5: How does that make sense from a principal standpoint. So

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Speaker 5: a lot of folks want to break this.

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Speaker 6: Down into well, how are you going to keep these

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Speaker 6: two communities together? And my answer to that is I'm

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Speaker 6: going to lead with principle that the best use of

860
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Speaker 6: our tax dollars is not to go to war. It's

861
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Speaker 6: not to do genocide, it's not to uphold apartheid. It's

862
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Speaker 6: to provide schools and infrastructure and healthcare for our children

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Speaker 6: here at home. And I am Arab, I understand, I

864
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Speaker 6: am Muslim. But neither is the Arab and Muslim community

865
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Speaker 6: a monolith, nor is the Jewish community a monolith. Now

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Speaker 6: I'm always told that somehow, because of my ethnic identity,

867
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Speaker 6: that my opposition to what.

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Speaker 5: The Israeli government is doing must be about my antipathy

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Speaker 5: for another group of people.

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Speaker 3: It is not.

871
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Speaker 6: It is about my love for people generally, my love

872
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Speaker 6: for the people in Michigan, my love for Jewish people

873
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 6: who are being told that in their name our country

874
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 6: ought to be subsidizing GM aside, my love for Palestinian

875
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Speaker 6: people who are having their rights taken away from them,

876
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 6: and ultimately, in any form of principle, our money should

877
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 6: be used on us because we paid for it, That

878
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 6: Jewish Israelis and Palestinians should have equal rights to peace, dignity,

879
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Speaker 6: and self determination. That we should not be making ridiculous, unethical,

880
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Speaker 6: immoral war. For all of those reasons, I believe that

881
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 6: I don't want us to continue to send our money

882
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Speaker 6: there when we should be using it here.

883
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Speaker 5: I know that that's going to earn me.

884
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Speaker 6: Votes both from Jewish community members who've invited me in,

885
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 6: because they understand that I love and revere Jewish people

886
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 6: and Judaism and Jewish culture and all that it is

887
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 6: contributed in our country and across the world. And I

888
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 6: understand that that love is the same as I have

889
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 6: for Palestinians, and the same as I have.

890
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 5: For kids here in Michigan.

891
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 6: Now, is it going to lose me some votes for

892
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Speaker 6: people who say, well, for me, Israel is important.

893
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Speaker 5: Yes, it is.

894
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Speaker 6: But I just don't think that at the end of

895
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Speaker 6: the day, we can continue to allow this gamesmanship of

896
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 6: what votes are you gonna win or lose? Right, or

897
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 6: how much money are you going to get from large

898
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 6: super PACs to dictate our morals to us. And so

899
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Speaker 6: if folks disagree with my moral positions, I hope that

900
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Speaker 6: they'll share where they disagree, but my principles and my

901
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 6: positions map and if you can show me where they don't,

902
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Speaker 6: then please do. I'd love to have a conversation about it.

903
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 6: But nobody has actually shown me that. They just sort

904
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Speaker 6: of go back and say, well, clearly you're against a

905
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Speaker 6: group of people.

906
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Speaker 5: I was like, no, I'm actually just for all people.

907
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Speaker 1: And you are a doctor, which makes you an honorary Jew,

908
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: because that is the highest level of Judaism, is doctor.

909
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 5: The number of Jentas have come up to me and

910
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 5: pinched my cheeks and just said.

911
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: As a Jewish mother, doctor is the highest level of Judaism.

912
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: One of the lost tribes of Israel. So I would

913
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Speaker 1: love you to talk about this primary because Schumer, who

914
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: is the leader of the party and who has yelled

915
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: at me on the phone. Though he I'm not supposed

916
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Speaker 1: to say that he has gotten involved in your primary.

917
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Speaker 1: He has endorsed the I think the least good candidate

918
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Speaker 1: in the field, Hailey Stevens, who is a member of Congress,

919
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: but cannot get a sentence out. I said it, you didn't.

920
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: We all know why he got involved in this primary,

921
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Speaker 1: and it has a lot to do with APEC and

922
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Speaker 1: has a lot to do with Israel. I'd love you

923
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Speaker 1: to talk about what it is like in this primary. Now,

924
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Speaker 1: you know, you have Senate, the leader of the minority,

925
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Speaker 1: leader of the Senate getting involved, putting his finger on

926
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Speaker 1: the scale. Is it working because we're at a moment where,

927
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Speaker 1: you know, people are pretty mad at politicians on the

928
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Speaker 1: left and the right. So is it actually helping you

929
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Speaker 1: just talk us through what the landscape looks like for you?

930
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

931
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I'm the only candidate in this race who

932
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Speaker 6: the said of minority leader still opposes.

933
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really he really doesn't like you.

934
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Speaker 5: You really don't like me, Like.

935
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Speaker 1: It's the Bernie Staff right too.

936
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Speaker 6: I've never met him, you know, and I don't think

937
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Speaker 6: I will until, of course I win this primary, and

938
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Speaker 6: then we'll have to have a conversation. But you know,

939
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Speaker 6: at the end of the day, I'm not seeking his support.

940
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Speaker 6: My conversation is with the ten million people in Michigan

941
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Speaker 6: who are going to decide this election, and it always

942
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Speaker 6: has been. I don't spend as much time thinking about

943
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Speaker 6: the political gamesmanship of it all, and maybe to my detriment,

944
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Speaker 6: but like I guess, I'm just not a politician that way.

945
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Speaker 6: I'll let the other two folks running in this race

946
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Speaker 6: figure that part out. But I think every day about

947
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Speaker 6: how I can build a stronger, deeper relationship with the

948
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Speaker 6: folks in the state so that they know exactly who

949
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Speaker 6: I am, why I want to break the chokehold that

950
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Speaker 6: corporations like dt Our Local Utility and Blue Cross Boushield

951
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 6: have had on our politics for a very long time,

952
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Speaker 6: so that I can start to stand up for the

953
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Speaker 6: kind of economic opportunities that too many people in the

954
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Speaker 6: state can't get. Address the fact that you can't afford

955
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Speaker 6: your groceries, you can't afford your health care, your kid

956
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 6: goes to a broken school, and you're paying five bucks

957
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 6: a gallon in gas and finally guarantee you the healthcare

958
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Speaker 6: that you need and deserve.

959
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: So, you know, I don't know why he doesn't like

960
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 5: me that much.

961
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Speaker 6: I have some ideas, but you know, most of the

962
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 6: time that doesn't really bother me that much.

963
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 5: Now here's the thing.

964
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Speaker 1: But does it help you on in the field or

965
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: does it hurt you in the field. That's more of

966
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: my question.

967
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 6: I don't know because I don't spend much time talking

968
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 6: about it. There's another candidate spends a lot of time

969
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 6: talking about Chuck Schumer.

970
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 5: I just don't like.

971
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Speaker 6: I think the conversations folks are having are not about

972
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 6: who the Senate Minority leader is. The folks people are

973
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 6: having are what are you going to do about my groceries?

974
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 6: What are you going to do about this ridiculous war

975
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 6: that's raising my gas price? Is? What are you going

976
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 6: to do about the fact that I can't see a doctor?

977
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 6: So I don't know if it's helping.

978
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 5: Me or hurting me.

979
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 6: What I do know is that they are going to

980
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 6: you know, a pack through one of its many many

981
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 6: shell organizations, just did a five point five million dollar

982
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Speaker 6: buy and from what we hear, they're going to do

983
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Speaker 6: another five of those and that they're probably going to

984
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 6: be coming from my face. We know that a lot

985
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Speaker 6: of the folks are on the inside are constantly pushing

986
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 6: miss and disinformation about me and my record, But all

987
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 6: of that doesn't matter as much as making sure that

988
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 6: folks understand that I'm not here to defend myself, like

989
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 6: I'm here to defend them against a system that has

990
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 6: been corrupted by the likes of corporations and special interests

991
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 6: that are who are trying to do the same thing

992
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 6: to corrupt this election to so I just try to

993
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 6: just focus on the main issue and just not spend

994
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 6: as much time with it. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe that's

995
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 6: the Achilles heel, but I'm just not doing this because

996
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 6: I care as much about the politics of it all.

997
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 6: I care about the service of it all. So I'm

998
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 6: just going to focus there, and so long as I

999
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 6: can answer the questions that people have about how we're

1000
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 6: going to make their life more livable, how we're going

1001
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 6: to make their budget work every month, how we're going

1002
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 6: to make sure they can see a doctor, I feel

1003
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Speaker 6: like I'm answering the questions that really matter.

1004
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

1005
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 5: I appreciate you having me.

1006
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: A moment.

1007
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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon by jump Fast.

1008
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Speaker 2: So one of the things we talk about when we

1009
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Speaker 2: talk about ICE is, you know, this is the unemployable

1010
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: having a war on the employed, and that these people

1011
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: are not careful, that they do not really care if

1012
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: they're careful, they don't care if they mess up.

1013
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: They don't really care about the collateral damage.

1014
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Speaker 2: And if that was ever evidenced, is this article on

1015
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Speaker 2: Reason magazine about how a US citizen is suing ICE

1016
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: for arresting them twice.

1017
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Speaker 3: And they just did it a third time because who

1018
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: cares if they mess up?

1019
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: Famous lefty magazine Reason, Oh yeah, oh yeah, known to

1020
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: be the home of liberals and do not at all

1021
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: funded by the Koch brothers, if you.

1022
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Speaker 2: Know what I mean, not all the bible of right

1023
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: wing libertarianism, not.

1024
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Speaker 1: At all the Republican second son's favorite reading source. Okay,

1025
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Speaker 1: so here we go. What is happening. I know you're

1026
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: going to be shocked to hear this, but as my

1027
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: my man Brett Kavanaugh said when he talks about those

1028
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh stops, you are technically allowed by this according to

1029
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. I guess maybe they walked it back,

1030
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: but you're allowed to stop people if they look Mexican,

1031
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: because it's called Kavanaugh stops, and if you look like

1032
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: you're not a white guy, you can get stopped by ice.

1033
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: And turns out, guess what happens. You get stopped by

1034
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: Ice again and again and again. I am not laughing

1035
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: because it's so fucking horrible, but it is also you

1036
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: have to admit kind of insane that my man, this

1037
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Speaker 1: is his third Ice stop. By the way, we're seeing

1038
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: people like detained in these jails for like a year.

1039
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, these people are losing a year of their

1040
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: lives because these ICE people can't read like a document.

1041
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: And it is like this is like authoritarianism but very

1042
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Speaker 1: very very stupid. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Sad to hear

1044
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: the best minds and politics make sense of all this chaos.

1045
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1046
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