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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four

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Speaker 1: teen year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer A. Nius Williams.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm Dr

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Speaker 1: Kira Dockery, director of the NFL Lifeline, sitting in for

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Speaker 1: Nius Williams. So May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and

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Speaker 1: in today's podcast, we are addressing the elements of building

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Speaker 1: positive mental health, addressing the stigma attached to the issue,

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Speaker 1: and providing information and resources for NFL players and legends.

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Speaker 1: With us today are two gentlemen who have been doing

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Speaker 1: so much in this space to support the NFL community,

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Speaker 1: and I've had just the pleasure to work alongside them

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Speaker 1: over the past few years. First we have NFL legend

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Speaker 1: Eddie Mason, who is an NFL Life Transition coach, and

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Speaker 1: Ron Brewer, who is currently the director of Player Engagement

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Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Browns. Welcome Eddie and Ron, Thank you

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Speaker 1: Karen for having us, Thank you so much, Thank you

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Yeah, um, you know, so obviously

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Speaker 1: May his mental Health Awareness Month, but I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: we could take a sort of a step back, and

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from your perspective why you think

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Speaker 1: this is an important topic sort of mental health, not

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Speaker 1: only for players and legends, but for everyone, and how

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Speaker 1: you kind of see it as part of total wellness. Ron,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you take your stabbing at first. I'll come

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Speaker 1: behind you. Yeah. Well, you know again, thanks thanks Dr

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Speaker 1: dr for having a so on because this is, you know,

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Speaker 1: such an important topic. Um. And as we're hearing May

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Speaker 1: in the middle of you know, one of the crisis

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Speaker 1: it's a topic that I think really impacts everyone. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's something that impacts our players, it is something that

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Speaker 1: impacts our loved ones. Um. You know, with so much

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Speaker 1: information going in and out of our brains, I just

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Speaker 1: think that from a mental health standpoint, we need support

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Speaker 1: just like any other area of our lives, you know,

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Speaker 1: any other area that relates to our health. And to me,

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Speaker 1: the brain dictates everything, right, there's so much you know,

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Speaker 1: when you have, you know, something on your mind. Like imagine,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you talk to people and they're texting, right,

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Speaker 1: They might not even hear you talking UM. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, from a mental standpoint and from how much

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Speaker 1: say in the decisions you make. UM, it's extremely important.

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Speaker 1: It's in a healthy place and right, I think what

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Speaker 1: you stated is so important. You know, you talk about

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Speaker 1: so many distractions that we deal with in life, but

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Speaker 1: I think care to your point is really us you know,

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Speaker 1: to be able to have the opportunity to bring awareness

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Speaker 1: too mental to mental health wellness. I think it's one

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Speaker 1: of those deals where you know, as uh NFL life

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Speaker 1: a player development guy. You know, us dealing not only

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Speaker 1: but really we have an opportunity to dispel that stigma

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Speaker 1: and really UM, just encourage people. And the importance of

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Speaker 1: I think it's critical that we use this time, this

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Speaker 1: And I just wanted to, you know, get your perspective

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Speaker 1: I think it's so there's so many important things you

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Speaker 1: Eddie in terms of, you know how we've traditionally had

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