1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: Let me start with the Bengals because they have failed 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: business one oh one, Protect your investment. Back in twenty 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: twenty three, Burrow signed that five year, two hundred and 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: seventy five million dollar contract. The front office surrounded him 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: with weapons to mark Chase T Higgins arguably the best 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: receiving duo in football, but the offensive line. And that's 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: not just limiting Joe Burrow's ceiling, it's keeping him off 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: the field. Now, in twenty twenty he tore just about 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: every ligament in his knee, ended his rookie year twenty 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: twenty two, MCL spring twenty twenty three, a cap string, 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: torn wrist ligament. Now, two weeks into the season and 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: his season is over. He'll be out for a minimum 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: of three months. And at some point you think Cincinnati 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: would learn its lesson. You don't hand out these contracts 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: without protecting those who are making that kind of money. 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: Without Buro, the Bengals, they were contenders to maybe an afterthought, 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: and that can happen in a hurry. I know it's 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 2: only two weeks, but this is one of those once 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: again where you go if you're a Bengal fan. It's 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: not a question of if Joe Burrow is gonna get hurt, 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: it's which body part here and now with turf toe, 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 2: And this is the weird part of football. Here's the 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 2: smallest thing you could injured. It's a tow but it's 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: turf toe, and he's going to need surgery. But three 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: months he'll be out, all right. Some of the other games, 28 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 2: I'll just run down. Eagles over the Chiefs, Mike Colts 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,279 Speaker 2: beat the Broncos on the leverage play. 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: Todd not in a good mood today. 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: Seahawks surprise the Steelers, Falcons handle the Vikings. Last night 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: the Niners over the Saints. Patriots with a big win 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: against the Dolphins, Lions roll the Bears, and Cowboys escape 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: the Giants, and what a great game back and forth 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: wild tonight you got the Buccaneers. They're getting two and 36 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: a half half against the Texans. Chargers are giving three 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: and a half against My Raiders. College football Georgia and overtime. 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: Miami rolls USF, My Bulls and A and m over 39 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Vandy drops South Carolina, and Georgia Tech stuns 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: Clemson as well. Phone calls, Ready to go, Tyler sitting by, 41 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: He'll take your phone calls. The Kansas City Chiefs game 42 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 2: against the Eagles. Eagles were favored and there was some 43 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: controversy there with the tush push. 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: And I have no problem. 45 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 2: With the play because it's just me against you. 46 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: You know what we're doing. Try to stop it. 47 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: But something happened yesterday that I think will change the 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: tush push, and that is Dean Blandino, former head of officials. 49 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: Now is you know he reviews plays for Fox. He 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: says I'm done. During the broadcast, he says, I'm done 51 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: with the toushbush. You can't officiate it. And I went 52 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: ding ding ding ding ding. If the NFL Home Office 53 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: is going to hear that because they don't have the data. 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: I think from what I was told, my source said 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: they were trying to gather data that would say, hey, 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: we got to get read of this play. They don't 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: want the play, but you have to have a reason 58 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: to get read of the play. And the reason was 59 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: going to be, oh, look at the injuries. Well, they 60 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: didn't have the data. And then all of a sudden, 61 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: you're going, Okay, yeah, I guess it's back in Well, 62 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: when Dean Blandino said that yesterday, I thought, there is 63 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: the out the NFL can say, we can't officiate this play. 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: We can't see everything that's going on. Well, there were 65 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: a couple of things you could see and they couldn't 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: officiate that because it looked like there was false start 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: or the Chiefs were lined up in the neutral zone. 68 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: These are all things that can be officiated, but they 69 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: When Dean Blandino said that, I thought the NFL has 70 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: it's out because they don't have the injury and information 71 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: but you have. We just can't officiate this play. Now, 72 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,559 Speaker 2: it's not fair, you know, to the Eagles, because the Eagles, 73 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: you know, they designed this play. Everybody can run this play. 74 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: They're not the only ones. It's not like, hey, that's 75 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 2: our play, you can't run that. And that's why I said, 76 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: you know, I can't penalize the Eagles because they're really 77 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: good at this play. But the officials have to be 78 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: really good at that play as well, and they weren't yesterday. Now, 79 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: did I think the Eagles were better than the Chiefs? Yes, 80 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: I did yesterday, But you know this is going to 81 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: be the Oh my gosh, the Chiefs are zero and two. Okay, 82 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: they weren't supposed to win this one. They have a 83 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: game on the road against the Chargers and Justin Herbert 84 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: has one of the best games of his career. I 85 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: you know, these people who bail after one game or 86 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: two games, you bail, don't come back, and like the 87 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: Lions after Week. 88 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: One unless they're coordinators. And I don't know. Now, the 89 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: bear can make anybody look good apparently, But. 90 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: Even with this, the Eagles are the best team in 91 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: football right now, and they proved it. They went to 92 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: Kansas City, but it was a close game. It just 93 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: we get on a bandwagon and then all of a sudden, 94 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: it's like, I'm off to the arch Manning bandwagon. Paul Feinbaum, 95 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: who have great respect for but he you know, fallen 96 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: victim to the hot take squad here and then you know, hey, 97 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: this guy's the best motalented quarterback since Tim. 98 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: Tebow, and I went, how do we know this? 99 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: There's no sample size where you go, yep, he's gonna 100 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: Teams are gonna tank for arch Manning and went, godly, 101 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: can we slow down on saying stupid things? 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: I get it. 103 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: If you want somebody to notice you, you're gonna say 104 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: these crazy things. I have no reason to believe arch Manning. 105 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: If arch Manning is not arch Manning, we would not 106 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: be This would not be a discussion. Oh but his 107 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: you know, his grandfather and his uncles, and I get 108 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: all of those things. I want to see what he does. 109 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: I want I was fair to him against Ohio State, 110 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: extremely tough conditions. But you know, when you're playing UTEP, 111 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: I expect you to light it up unless he's injured. 112 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 2: That was the only caveat I would add to this. 113 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: Let me see what he does. Let's be fair to him. 114 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: We're hyping him. He's not now he's taking advantage of 115 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: the hype with nil. 116 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 3: But and I would have. 117 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: Discouraged him from doing that first year. I would have said, 118 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: you don't need the money, you know, just go out 119 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: there like Andrew Luck did this his first year in 120 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: the NFL. RG three got all the commercials. Andrew Luck said, no, 121 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: I'm just going to go in and play football. I 122 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: would have told Archie, don't do it. You know, your 123 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: family's got money, don't do it, because then you go 124 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: to those commercial breaks after you you've you know, thrown 125 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: an interception or you know, got sacked and it just 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: it's not a good look there. But besides that, you know, 127 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: I gotta give him a chance here. Everybody was in 128 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: on JJ McCarthy, right, maybe not so much today after 129 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: last night. 130 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: That's what we've become. It's so I gotta get this out. 131 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: I gotta have a hot take. 132 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: You don't have to, Rex Ryan said, Russell Wilson can't play. 133 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 4: That was a week ago. 134 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: Can Russ still play now? 135 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: He's somewhere in between week one and week two and 136 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: the Cowboys defense. I imagine if the Cowboys had a 137 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: pass rusher yesterday. But Russ can throw the deep ball, 138 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: and Dallas let him throw the deep ball. But Rex 139 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: Ryan said, Russell Wilson can't play anymore. Do you stand 140 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: by that? Hey, you got to get Jackson Dart in there. 141 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: You don't have some patience. Let Russ play for a 142 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: month and then see what you have with the team. 143 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: And Russ played well enough to win. And I don't 144 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: know the interception. I don't know if that's on him. 145 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: I'll have to wait the guys who break down film. 146 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 2: It looked like it might have been the wrong pass 147 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: route run by neighbors, might have been in fairness to us, 148 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: but he did play really well. But man, do we 149 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: want to we got it all figured out? We do 150 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: not have it figured out as much as we think 151 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: we do. 152 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: We don't. 153 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: Yes, Paulie, I have a five minute pole question before 154 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: we get to our normal Who had the worst weekend? 155 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: Oh? 156 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: Should the Cincinnati Bengals call the Atlanta Falcons this morning 157 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 4: about Kirk Cousins. 158 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: If you think that your team legitimately is going to 159 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: make the playoffs, I would probably stay with you Jake Browning. 160 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: He's not as good as Kirk Cousins, but Cousin's going 161 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: to cost you a lot of money. 162 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: Now. 163 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: I think the better question that PAULI asked is, should 164 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: the Falcons. 165 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: Call the Bengals? Yeah, Hey, Kirk. 166 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: Cousin, I mean, Michael Pennix Junior, the third played well 167 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: last night. 168 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: You could get Kirk Cousins off the books. I would. 169 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: I would at least inquire. But if I'm the Bengals 170 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: and the Bengals are thrifty trying to be kind as 171 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: it is, Kirk Cousins, yeah, thrifty, I would stay with 172 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: Jake Browning. I mean, you got two really good receivers 173 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: who need to act like two really good receivers here. 174 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: But three months, boy, that's if I mean, that's your 175 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: season right there? Can you still carve out nine wins? 176 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: I mean they got the win yesterday against Jacksonville. That's 177 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: the important part of this. But you start to look 178 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: at these situations and that's why when you make predictions. 179 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: You know, Joe Burrow was MVP, like last year, he 180 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: was unbelievable. If they make the playoffs, maybe he's your MVP. 181 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: Although you know Josh Allen and Lamar had spectacular years. 182 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: But you know, you're trying to figure out, Okay, he's 183 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: going to be m v P this year. Bengal's going 184 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. Now that's gone watching you know 185 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: people all in all in, you know the Pittsburgh Steelers, Okay, 186 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, Yeah, until no against Seattle. So these things, 187 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: you know, you're trying to figure them out in real time. 188 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: Are you off Kansas City? You were off Detroit? There's 189 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: a market correction that happens every single year. Somebody's going 190 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: to be really good better than you thought. Somebody's not 191 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: going to be as good. A couple of teams, you know, 192 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: maybe maybe that teams Kansas City maybe they're not as 193 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: good as we thought. You know, I think the Raiders 194 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: are better, the Chargers are better, the Broncos. And how 195 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: about the Niners Mac Jones two and zero. I mean 196 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: they're banged up too, Yes, Martin. 197 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: It's amazing what happens when you get that guy a chance. 198 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: Well, I didn't think they would fall off that much 199 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: because mac Jones is sort of a brocked pretty type quarterback, 200 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: and they were interested in mac Jones when he was 201 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: coming out, So I'm not surprised at that. He should 202 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: be pretty good. He got experience. Maybe he uses us 203 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: to get a new contract someplace else. Maybe it's like 204 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: Sam Donald, Sam Darnald with Seattle. How about that big 205 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: win on the road. All right, so we'll get the 206 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: phone calls, best and worst of the weekend, What you 207 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: saw that you liked, you didn't like. We'll talk some 208 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: college football coming out as well. E J Manuel ESPN 209 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: college football analysts former NFL quarterback Bill Cower. The Steelers 210 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: will stop by. Well he's of CBS. But you think 211 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: a coward, you think Steelers seat and you have poll 212 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: questions for us? 213 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: Heck yeah, dude, after the break, Heck yeah, dude. 214 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, fair enough, how's morale? I'm sorry, I 215 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: know you're down, Oh. 216 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 4: Rally, I'm just u it was that was a tough, 217 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 4: but that was a tough one to take. 218 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: I would like to have seen what you look like. 219 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 5: You did not want to see that. My wife had 220 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 5: to do with that. She was right next to me, 221 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 5: and she. 222 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 3: What did it sound like? 223 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 5: I was? 224 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 6: I was just so frustrated by letting Daniel Jones look 225 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 6: like Joe Montana over three hundred yards passing one hundred 226 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 6: and sixty five yards rushing, they give up the tailor, 227 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 6: they miss a field goal late to go five, which 228 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 6: means obviously, anything other than a touchdown you win. And 229 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 6: then don't get me started on the last seconds with 230 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 6: the sixty yarder and then the forty five yard fieldal. 231 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, these sixty yarders are nothing now, and you get 232 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: the ball at the thirty five yard line, two first downs, 233 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: you're in field goal range. And the Colts played for 234 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: a sixty yard field goal. They didn't try to improve, 235 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: they didn't try to go for more yards. 236 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 3: They're like, no, we're good. 237 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: The Cowboys, It's like, ah, sixty four, Yeah, we're good. 238 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: It's not a big deal. 239 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: Although esthetically, you know, the NFL wants those high scoring plays, 240 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 2: and you know, and then all of a sudden you 241 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: bring out the least football like player and he's going 242 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: to decide these games. But and the pressure Brandon Aubrey, 243 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: who's going to be a free agent sixty four yarder, 244 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: so four career field goals of at least sixty yards 245 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: he'll end up with the longest. I wouldn't be surprised 246 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: he ends up with his sixty seven sixty eight yarder 247 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: and passes Justin Tucker on the all time list. 248 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 249 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 250 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and Hearts Radio app. Hey it's 251 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: me Rob Parker. 252 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 7: Check out my weekly MLB podcast, Inside the Parker for 253 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 7: twenty two minutes of piping hot baseball talk, featuring the 254 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 7: biggest names of newsmakers in the sport. 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Good to see You Again, Ej. 262 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: How do you think things are going in Clemson today? 263 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 8: Who? 264 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: First and foremost? 265 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 5: Dan? 266 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 8: Great to see you as well. I just want to 267 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 8: say you are an absolute legend. And since today's my 268 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 8: dad's birthday, we will wake up and watching on Sports 269 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 8: Center every single day. When I was young, not to 270 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 8: age yet all Dan, still look good, but want to 271 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 8: give you your flowers here as I joined the show. I'll 272 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 8: tell you what man, look, It's probably a dark, gloomy, 273 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 8: maybe rainy day in Clemson, South Carolina. And this is 274 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 8: a team that came into the season with so much 275 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 8: hype and expectation preseason, all Americans and potential first overall 276 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 8: pick in the quarterback in k club Nick, and they 277 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 8: just haven't played consistently well. 278 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 4: And the crazy. 279 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 8: Part, Dan is they've been out physical in some portions 280 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 8: of the game. And going into this matchup with Jeordia Tech, 281 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 8: who is a tough team because of their head coach 282 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 8: and Brent Key. 283 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 4: That's exactly what happened. 284 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 8: And you know, they made some plays, but ultimately Jeordia 285 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 8: Tech made more, and that's what Tech has done since 286 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 8: Key's been the head coach. 287 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: But do you think if I said Notre Dame at 288 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: zero and two or Clemson at one and two, who's 289 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: in worse shape? 290 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: You would say, I'd say Notre Dame. 291 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 8: It's in worse shape really, because, yeah, because they don't 292 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 8: have a conference championship to rely on. Dan So that's 293 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 8: the part for Notre Dame as an independent that we 294 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 8: have to take into consideration. So even if they go 295 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 8: undefeated from this point forward, they're still going to have 296 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 8: to really have a resume that shows, hey, we belong 297 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 8: in the top twelve to get into the playoff. Whereas 298 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 8: for Clemson, you look at it, this is just one 299 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 8: conference loss, so they still have a ton more conference 300 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 8: games to play. They went out, potentially still make it 301 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 8: to Charlotte first weekend in December, it can play for ACS. 302 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: Championship like they did last year. 303 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 8: And they actually lost one game in conference to Louisville 304 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 8: in twenty twenty four and still were able to make 305 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 8: the playoffs. 306 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 4: So I would say right. 307 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 8: Now, Notre Dame's in a bit more, you know, tougher 308 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 8: shape than Clemson. 309 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: Is what happened at uc LA. 310 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: Oh dude, do they want to be a football program? 311 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 5: You know? 312 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 8: I had this conversation with Matt Barry and Joey Galloway 313 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 8: over the weekend as we're watching all the games, and 314 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 8: to me, Dan, I think it's a great job. You know, 315 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 8: we were having that discussion, is this a good spot 316 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 8: for another, you know, big name head coach because I 317 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 8: know now Deshaun Foster is now fired. I think it's 318 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 8: a great spot and looked. I lived in LA for 319 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 8: three years once I finished playing with the Raiders. I 320 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 8: had a little place out there. It was great. West 321 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 8: was beautiful. It always seemed like the sun was shining. 322 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 8: But as far as football, I don't know what it is. 323 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 8: I'm not sure if it's buying from the presidents or 324 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 8: university presidents are just simply getting good players, because I 325 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 8: don't understand how you can be in Los Angeles and 326 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 8: not get really good talent in that area. If you 327 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 8: just draw a circle around LA, you should be able 328 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 8: to have a competitive team. So I don't know if 329 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 8: it's going to the big ten. I'm not sure if 330 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 8: it's trying to figure it out with the quarterback, because 331 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 8: keep in mind Nikole ay mal Java got there pretty 332 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 8: late in the process. So as a QB sometimes you 333 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 8: need six or seven months to really learn an offense 334 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 8: to truly master it. But right now, again similar to 335 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 8: what I said about Clemson, they're being out physical, out 336 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 8: coached at times, and that's why now they're going to 337 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 8: get a new head coach. 338 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: The Tennessee kicker Max Gilbert, Yeah, he misses the field goal. 339 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: I'm curious. What is it like to go to class 340 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: on that Monday after a bad game? 341 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 3: You be in the quarterback Yeah, you know. 342 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: I mean at Florida State, this is different because if 343 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: you're a professional kicker, you're not seeing people other than 344 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: your teammates when you go to practice. This guy has 345 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: to walk on campus and go to classes. And what's 346 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 2: that feeling like. 347 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 8: It's not a good feeling at all, Dan, And you know, 348 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 8: it's one of those things I would allude it to this. 349 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 8: So imagine if there's a really pretty girl in class 350 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 8: that you sit next to, and she saw you the 351 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 8: first couple of weeks like, hey, good game, I see 352 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 8: I'll stand doing your thing, and then you go to 353 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 8: class that next Monday after a loss, and she doesn't 354 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 8: say anything to you. 355 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 4: And that's literally what it is. 356 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 8: Man. It's one of those just where you know you 357 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 8: have to wear it for the next six days until 358 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 8: you get a chance to play again and hopefully you win. 359 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 4: But it's tough. It's definitely tough, not easy. 360 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 3: Miami Hurricanes contender they are. 361 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 8: I think their National championship contender is funny. I actually 362 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 8: texted the offensive coiner this morning, Shannon Dawson and I 363 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 8: know I'm a seminal, so technically we shouldn't like each other, 364 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 8: but as a professional, you know. And also I was 365 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 8: getting recruited by Mario Chris of Ball years ago, so 366 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 8: I've had a relationship with them. They look really good. 367 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 8: They're great in all three phases. Carson Beck is playing 368 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 8: at a high level. And I said this back in 369 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 8: the summer, Dan that when he got to Miami being 370 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 8: in this offense. If you watched the growth of cam 371 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 8: Ward last year, a lot of this is because of 372 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 8: play calling from Shannon Dawson and OC. So he's somebody 373 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 8: to keep in mind as far as potential head coaching 374 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 8: jobs in the future. But also they got an excellent 375 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 8: offensive line defense is really physical, so Miami certainly is 376 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 8: a contender. 377 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: Feels like everybody we're talking to EJ. 378 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: Manuel ESPN College Football studio analyst, the Arch Manning hype train. 379 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: There was no room, you know, even in coach class. 380 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: It was over hyped. 381 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: And the machine now feels like there's plenty of room 382 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: in first class here for arch Manning. What have you 383 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: seen and if and I don't know if he was 384 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: getting booed, but the offense was getting bowed and he's 385 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 2: the quarterback of that offense. But handicap what you've seen 386 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: and what we should ex out of Arch Manning, Well, what. 387 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 8: I've seen is him just not feeling comfortable. And I 388 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 8: don't know if this is necessarily the play calls, because 389 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 8: he's been in this offense for two seasons now going 390 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 8: on three as the backup in the first two, but 391 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 8: you should have some comfort at this point. And I 392 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 8: do think this is partly just the emotion of handling 393 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 8: the expectation being a Manning and your grandpa was a 394 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 8: Hall of Famer, your two uncles of Hall of famers, 395 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 8: and all the you know talk that goes into the offseason, 396 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 8: and shoot, I mean he was on preseason lists as 397 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 8: a first teamer and I even really played a full season, 398 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 8: and so uh, those types of things. I think one 399 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 8: is shown that he's human, and we all know that 400 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 8: he's human. But I think this is an area where 401 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 8: you still see a young man that's growing, that's learning. 402 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 8: I'm sure if you ask coach Sarkesian, does he expecting 403 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 8: to play better? Sure, but as a young, inexperienced still quarterback. 404 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 8: This is what his fifth or sixth start of his career. 405 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 8: Dan He is technically, you know, on on time. And 406 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 8: the good thing too, they've only lost a house state 407 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 8: in close fashion. They won these two most recent games, 408 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 8: again not against tough opponents, but the team's still winning. 409 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 8: So I think right now for archers about building confidence. 410 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 8: Continue to play with great timing like he did in 411 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 8: twenty twenty four, and that's really why I think the 412 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 8: hype was. 413 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: There, because he looked really good. 414 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 8: But it is a different layer of being the backup 415 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 8: versus when you're the full time guy. 416 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: You look back at your rookie season in the NFL, 417 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: if I could say to you, you could change something, 418 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: because it feels like all of these rookie quarterbacks come 419 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: in and they all make the same mistake. Take me 420 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: back to that rookie season and how you felt and 421 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: what you didn't realize. 422 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great, great question. 423 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 8: So the one thing that I would look back on 424 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 8: This is probably gonna surprise people, but I actually got 425 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 8: hurt in the preseason. So I tore my meniscus in 426 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 8: the second preseason game, same injury that JJ McCarthy had 427 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 8: last year as a rookie and got surgery, fought back 428 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 8: to be able to play, and all that kind of stuff. 429 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 8: And truly, man, looking back, when I wish I advocated 430 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 8: for myself and say, coach, can I get like fully 431 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 8: healthy before I start my NFL career because you get 432 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 8: judged as if you're fully healthy, And so that was 433 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 8: one part of it. The other part too, I think, 434 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 8: just continue to grow and learn the game, and also 435 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 8: reaching out to veterans, reaching out to other guys even 436 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 8: if they weren't on my team, reaching out to a 437 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 8: Donovan McNabb or a Warren Moon or Michael Vic, guys 438 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 8: who I knew would be willing to help me and 439 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 8: to you know, kind of teach me in the off 440 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 8: seasons of just how to be a pro. That was 441 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 8: one thing I didn't really have within the locker room. 442 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 8: But as far as playing, look, I mean, you got 443 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 8: to make the froze, you got to make the reads. 444 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 8: You got to be accountable as well when you win, 445 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 8: and certainly have to be accountable when you lose. 446 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: But looking back when, of course, I still. 447 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 8: Wish I was out there playing because I got buddies 448 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 8: who are still out there going. 449 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 4: But I'm proud of the man. It is what it is. 450 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 8: I learned a ton while I was in Buffalo and 451 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 8: met some great people and still root for the Bills 452 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 8: to this day. 453 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I see these quarterbacks. They don't step up 454 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: in the pocket. They think that they can make a play. 455 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: Even cam Ward rolling right and throwing back left is 456 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: a terrible throw. It is, I mean, a great, great result, 457 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 2: but a terrible terrible. 458 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 8: So let me touch on that. I think a little 459 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 8: bit of it is again an experience. I think the 460 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 8: other part is these quarterbacks were able to get away 461 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 8: with it in college and you assume, hey, I can 462 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 8: still make this play. 463 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 4: And you know what, Dan, the game has changed. 464 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 8: I mean the game now the quarterback position is predicated 465 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 8: off of athleticism. I mean, the best quarterbacks in our 466 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 8: league right now, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Like, 467 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 8: these guys are all very agile, very good athletes that 468 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 8: can move around and make plays. 469 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 4: So you're right. Sometimes it's not a pretty play. 470 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 8: It's not you know, the basic hey five in a 471 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 8: hitch or seven in a hitch, step up in the pocket. 472 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 8: But you know, again, for young quarterbacks, I think it's 473 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 8: a little bit of grace and giving them that opportunity 474 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 8: to grow and make mistakes. And as long as there's 475 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 8: a plan, I think that's the other thing, too, Dann. 476 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 8: For young quarterbacks, there has to be a plan set 477 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 8: in place for them for three years to say, hey, 478 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 8: look you got to hit this benchmark you got to 479 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 8: get and show me that you've had this amount of 480 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 8: growth in this amount of time. 481 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 4: And that way, I can think you can. 482 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 8: Actually scale the amount of growth that you've seen from 483 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 8: guys good Patrick Mahomes, look at Josh Allen, how they grew, 484 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 8: you know, in their early tenures. Jordan Love, you know, 485 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 8: he got to sit for three seasons before he came 486 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 8: to Starter. 487 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 4: So a lot of it's about development. 488 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's not doing anything athletically for the next three months. 489 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, that is unfortunate. I saw that. Yeah. 490 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, for turf toe. It's one of those when you 491 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: hear turf toe. Jack Lambert I think ended his career 492 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: with turf toe, Dione with turf toe. 493 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: I it's just one of those injuries where you go, 494 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 3: huh yeah. 495 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 496 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 8: It's tough too because Joe's playing so well. He is playing, 497 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 8: So I actually was watching the Quarterback Series on Netflix 498 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 8: and just getting a peek behind his mind and how 499 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 8: he goes about his daily life as far as a QB. 500 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 8: So it's unfortunate. And look, you know, I think it's 501 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 8: Jake Browning who's going to. 502 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 4: Be the backup. 503 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 8: You know, he's played well, and I know that you 504 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 8: still got some really good pieces t Higgins and Jim 505 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 8: ar Chase and those kind of guys to still make 506 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 8: some plays for him. So you know, coz that got 507 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 8: a lot, a lot of work to do at this point, 508 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 8: but they'll certainly be missing Joe. 509 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: My best to your father, Happy birthday to your father, 510 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: and great to talk to you again. 511 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 3: He Jay. 512 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 4: Likewise, Thanks Dan EJ Manual. 513 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 514 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 515 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 516 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: listen live. 517 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: He's the Hall of Fame coach Bill Kawer, super Bowl Champion, 518 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: and you can see him on CBS the NFL Today 519 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: Studio analyst coach. 520 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 3: Good to see you again. 521 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: How do you not overreact to the first two weeks 522 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: of the season as a coach, Well. 523 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 5: You can't, Dan. 524 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 9: I think the biggest thing you do is just kind 525 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 9: of gain information about your football team and try to 526 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 9: find ways to win, but constantly adjusted and adapting as 527 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 9: you go through the first month, because I think you know, 528 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 9: you really don't know what you have and one thing 529 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 9: you have to keep in mind. I think now the 530 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 9: way people are approaching the preseason, the early first game 531 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 9: you're going to see these guys play a whole game 532 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 9: is last week, and so now you have the second 533 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 9: week where now you're a little bit probably more sore, 534 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 9: so you're prepping for this. So I always thought that 535 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 9: first month is so trying to kind of get a 536 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 9: gauge for where your football team, your strengths, your flaws, 537 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 9: and then in the meantime, trying to find ways to 538 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 9: win games to stay in the hunt in that first month. 539 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 9: So if you go five hundred, I think you're good. Obviously, 540 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 9: you know, to a fast start, it gives you a 541 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 9: little bit of leeway. In the middle of the season 542 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 9: we hit those inevitable walls. So but it's been an 543 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 9: exciting first two weeks, no question about it. 544 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: But it feels like Bill Belichick was given credit for 545 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: treating September like it was his preseason, Like those first 546 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: four games, we're going to get everybody. We're going to 547 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 2: find out what kind of football team, Like did you 548 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: do that as well? That you could look at an 549 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: entire month and go, then we can figure out who 550 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: we are. 551 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, I really wanted to kind of know what we 552 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 9: couldn't do more than what we could do. I mean, 553 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 9: because I think there's some things that didn't. You kind 554 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 9: of adapt and adjust a philosophy that's around what your 555 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 9: strengths are, trying to mask the flaws that you see 556 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 9: that show up. You know, you do something one week 557 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 9: as a circumstance, in two weeks in a row, it's 558 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 9: a trend. You do something that's three weeks in a 559 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 9: row that's potentially a problem or that's a strength. So 560 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 9: I mean, I think that's the biggest thing you're trying 561 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 9: to do is understand what it is. But you also 562 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 9: don't want to make sure that you have flexibility in 563 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 9: your system so you can adapt and adjust injuries to 564 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 9: to who you're playing right now, or somebody starts to 565 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 9: stand out, you want to get them more involved into 566 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 9: the game plan. So it's really a fact finding month 567 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 9: to me, and at the same time still finding ways 568 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 9: to win games so that you don't fall too far 569 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 9: in a hole. And if you're more obviously if you 570 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 9: go three and one, if you can go four and 571 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 9: on that first month, it just gives you some leeway 572 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 9: as you go down this. Like I said before, it's 573 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 9: hard to sustain it for four months. You don't want 574 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 9: to be playing your best football at the beginning. You 575 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 9: want to play your best football at the end. But 576 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 9: you off to a fast start really helps. 577 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 3: How would you assess the Steelers after two games? 578 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I think they did a lot of 579 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 9: good things in Week one. That's certainly a tough loss. Yesterday, 580 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 9: I think you know it's again, I mean, with that offense, 581 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 9: there's going to be some mistimings. 582 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 5: That you saw. 583 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 9: I thought it was interesting you saw a lot of 584 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 9: slants of DK Metcalf were behind him in the first week, 585 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 9: which means you know, you know, Aaron's trying to get 586 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 9: engauge for DK. This week was a couple were in 587 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,239 Speaker 9: front of him. So there's that timing element that just 588 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 9: takes the game time element and seeing who plays faster, 589 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 9: who plays slower. There's some injuries that are going through 590 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 9: right now, and then certainly what happened with Caleb Johnson. 591 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 9: I think that the with the with the uh you know, 592 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 9: with the kickoff. It reminds me going back in two 593 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 9: thousand in Plexico Burst his first year. 594 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 5: I think it was week five. 595 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 9: We were playing the Jacksonville Jaguars in Jacksonville, Plexyville goes 596 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 9: over the middle of the field, catches a dig route, 597 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 9: goes to the ground, gets up and spikes the ball 598 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 9: and then they was never touched. They catch the ball. 599 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 9: He's wondering why everyone keeps playing, and he realizes, oh, yeah, 600 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 9: I'm in the NFL, and you know what, you have 601 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 9: to tag me down. 602 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 5: So thank goodness, we were twenty we had a big lead. 603 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 9: I'm going I hope that is a great teaching moment 604 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 9: for you, I says, because it didn't cost us the game, 605 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 9: but disunderstanding the Unnational Football League, you know you got 606 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 9: you gotta be tagged down. And I think for Kato 607 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 9: Johnson going back there seeing the ball going over his head, 608 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 9: he see he realized he didn't touch it. He went 609 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 9: into the end zone. So it's just gonna be a 610 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 9: touch back, no catob it's the NFL. You gotta jump 611 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 9: on it. So I don't think anyone felt worse about 612 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 9: that he did. It's a teaching moment that unfortunately came 613 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 9: at a very bad time in the game. But you know, 614 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 9: that is kind of the National Football League. I think 615 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 9: Mike Tomplin said the best yesterday that you know, the 616 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 9: week before they get a fumble on a putt return 617 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 9: and they end up going in and scoring and getting 618 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 9: to win, and yesterday they have a blunder in the 619 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 9: kicking game again. And so the kicking game, I thought 620 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 9: these first two weeks have been very instrumental in football games. 621 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 9: And you're starting to see the kickoff now coming back 622 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 9: into play. 623 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 5: So in the. 624 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 9: Past I think we probably have kept players because we 625 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 9: weren't thinking about special teams, not much coverage. Well, you 626 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 9: start going to start thinking about it. Right now and 627 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 9: the kickers. We see him miss some points. Then we 628 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 9: see a sixty four yarder at the end of regulation, 629 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 9: followed up by another one at the end of overtime. 630 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 5: So the kicking game has played a big part these 631 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 5: first two weeks. 632 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: How a whare are you in the moment of yelling 633 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: at a player when you know everything's televised, there's a 634 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: camera on you constantly. But you know you saw this 635 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: in the Jacksonville game yesterday with coaching quarterback when you coached, 636 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: How aware were you? 637 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 9: I don't think I didn't want to be aware. It's 638 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 9: an emotional game. I think the biggest thing they understood 639 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 9: with me is I wanted to be able to address 640 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 9: it at the moment, and if I felt at times 641 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 9: that I need to be the common storm, which means 642 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 9: there's too much hecticness going around. I was the calm, 643 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 9: but sometimes I needed to be the storm. I felt 644 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 9: like we're sleepwalking out there. I'm going to start getting 645 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 9: the people's faces and start waking them up, I said, 646 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 9: Because so it really is to me that job at 647 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 9: the head coach, you kind of gauge where your football 648 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 9: team is and I think at the same time know 649 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 9: who the players are. There's some guys I think it's 650 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 9: okay to jump outside. No, it's not okay. They'll never 651 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 9: be okay. Pre snap penalty me is a lack of 652 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 9: focus that you have on your football team, and that's 653 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 9: totally unacceptable. You know, and taking care of the football. 654 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 9: Sometimes those things happen. We see more punch outs now. 655 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 9: I talked about that yesterday in our show, is you 656 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 9: know the peanut punch that Charles Tillman punch out had 657 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 9: become very instrumental, and so protecting the football in space 658 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 9: is very very critical. Protecting the football overall is critical. 659 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 9: Pre snap penalty is unacceptable. So I think it's who 660 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 9: you are and who you're with. But also if you're 661 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 9: going to yell at that personation, you pat him on 662 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 9: the back too. When they play, they have a good play. 663 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 9: So I just think and making sure they know where 664 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 9: they stand with you, and you make sure you know 665 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 9: where you stand with them, and make sure you know 666 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 9: who the player is. 667 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: Bill Kauer, hall of Famer and analyst for the NFL 668 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: Today on CBS, the Tush push prominent yesterday. And I 669 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: don't know if you've changed your opinion one way or another. 670 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: But I brought up the Dean Blandino during the broadcast 671 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 2: said that he's given up on this. He doesn't know 672 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: how you can officiate this play. 673 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 9: Your thoughts, well, oh, I've been against the play for 674 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 9: two years and made my feelings quite known. It's not 675 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 9: a football play. It's a scrum, you know. And they 676 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 9: had that rugby, Dan, you know what they didn't Rugby, 677 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 9: They eliminated the scrump. They took it out because it 678 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 9: wasn't a safe play, but we keep it in. The 679 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 9: NFL makes sense of that one. They got rid of 680 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 9: it because of the years, So we're gonna have to 681 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 9: wait for some kind of catastrophic injury to change it. 682 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 9: I don't think it's a good looking play. I know 683 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 9: that Philadelphia is good at It has nothing to do 684 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 9: with the Philadelphia Eagles for me. But you know, I 685 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 9: think you saw that play yesterday. How many times did 686 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 9: we see? It's because of our technology today that they're 687 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 9: leaving before the balls even snapped. So I mean, I 688 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 9: don't know how we can somehow look at that play 689 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 9: and understand that it's an injury waiting to happen. I 690 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 9: think personally, and it doesn't even a good looking play 691 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 9: and pushing people down the field. When do you stop 692 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 9: the push? And I think it makes it very hard 693 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 9: for officials to understand, you know, at what point is 694 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 9: to play over with with with this play. 695 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 5: So I don't know. 696 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 9: So I just I feel like it's we're gonna have 697 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 9: to get more information. There's two votes away from being 698 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 9: eliminated in the league meeting a year ago. We'll see 699 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 9: where it is a year from now. But I just, 700 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's a dangerous play. I know 701 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 9: there's not been any data to support that, but I 702 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 9: don't even think it's a good looking play. Listen, you 703 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 9: want to do the quarterback snake, then do what bart 704 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 9: Star did with Jerry Kramer. Run over your good offensive 705 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 9: Wiman and a frozen Tundra. I'm not taking away the 706 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 9: quarterback snake. Love the quarterback sneak, but not the touch push. 707 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, I think Philadelphia would still be almost 708 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: as successful given Jalen Hurts. There's no quarterback built like 709 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurds. I don't like the people behind Jalen Hurts. 710 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 3: I don't. 711 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 5: I don't. 712 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 3: I don't. 713 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: I don't like that aspect of it. But I do 714 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: think there's an out, no coach, and that is that 715 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 2: you can't officiate this. You know, you're you're just somebody 716 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: in the neutral zone. Did somebody jump? But like there's 717 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: where do you spot the ball? There's language in here 718 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: now that I think because you don't have the injury data, 719 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 2: now the NFL can say we just can't officiate this correctly. 720 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 9: I don't I listen, please go on the platform. I'm 721 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 9: supporting you one, I agree with you on multiple levels. 722 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 9: And I also to go back to another thing then 723 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 9: I think, I go say this, when is the scrum over? 724 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 9: And now to take that scrum down the field. And 725 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 9: now you're going to get players who are so used 726 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 9: to pushing the other players when you're in space. That 727 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 9: is a safety issue that's involved with that as well. 728 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 9: So I mean, pushing players. Why can't we push on defense? 729 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 9: Why is it just the offensive guys get to push? 730 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 9: I mean, so it's almost an unfair legality to the 731 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 9: play like this. So, I mean, it's just it's so 732 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 9: one sided. It's not a pretty play. It's not a 733 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 9: strategical play at all either. I think football is a 734 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 9: string game of strategy, and I again, I'm not trying 735 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 9: to get rid of of the quarterback sneaking. There's a 736 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 9: certain art to the quarterback sneak. 737 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 5: And I agree with you. Jail hurts to be good 738 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 5: at it. 739 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 9: He takes a step back, He's always having a feel 740 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 9: for where they try to to to sit there and 741 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 9: take away this gap. He'll take it one gap wider. 742 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 9: And so there is an art. I mean, we talked. 743 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 9: We used to practice a quarterback sneak all the time 744 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 9: with Cordell Stewart. Ben Roethlisberger a big guy, and so 745 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 9: there's a degree of hesitancy that you have to have 746 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 9: with the quarterback sneak. But to have guys push you 747 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 9: from behind and get that line up we saw yesterday 748 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 9: like a b formation, like a flock of geese get 749 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 9: ready to take off one south and something. 750 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 5: I don't know, it's just it's just it's just I 751 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 5: don't know. I don't like the look of it. 752 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 9: I don't think it's a safe play and I don't 753 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 9: think it's strategical in any manner. 754 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 3: Well, you had the Broncos. 755 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: They got penalized for leverage yesterday on that field goal. 756 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: They are not allowed to push up the middle, and 757 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 2: I gets I know that's a tough penalty to call. 758 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 5: It's a tough penalty to call. 759 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 9: It was the correct call, And again, you look at 760 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 9: some of these things that are being at that time, 761 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 9: I mean at the game that was won, literally taken 762 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 9: away from him just because of an oversight. I mean, right, really, 763 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 9: here's a guy never even made a sixty yarders, so 764 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 9: you're going out there, he's. 765 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 5: Already beyond what He's never made. 766 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 9: One that far, So why you even put yourself in 767 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 9: that situation where you'd even have it to be misinterpreted? 768 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 9: So you know, again, I'm sure that's one Sean probably 769 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 9: feels like he would have had back too, is you 770 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 9: know they get kidd and not just the penalty itself, 771 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 9: but fifteen yards I mean, okay, I mean I leverage 772 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 9: like that, Come on, maybe five yards okay, at least 773 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 9: fifteen yards is pretty severe. 774 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, if you're the Bengals with Joe Burrow now 775 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 2: out for three months, do you reach out to the 776 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 2: Falcons for Kirk Cousins? Would you reach out to Derek Carr, 777 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: who last week said on the show not officially retired 778 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 2: if somebody called him, maybe, But at what point do 779 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 2: you go Is Jake Browning good enough with the Bengals 780 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 2: or do we go out and get a better quarterback. 781 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 9: Oh, I think Jake Browning is going to be the 782 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 9: guy right now. But I agree with you. I think 783 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 9: Kirk Cousins. I watched him last night sitting there with 784 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 9: Michael Pennix where he's at, and I know that, you know, 785 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 9: having him as a backup right now for the Falcons 786 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 9: is something that you may have to give up something. 787 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 9: But listen, I think the Cincinnati Bengals said they're all in. 788 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 9: They were all in when he signed to Higgins, They're 789 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 9: all in when he made that deal with Trey Hendrickson 790 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 9: to get him to come into play this year. He's 791 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 9: played his butt off his first two weeks, so I 792 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 9: just think they have to look at a backup playing. 793 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 5: I think Nate Browning is the guy. He knows that offense. 794 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 9: Zach Taylor, I think has done a great job with 795 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 9: his team getting them ready to play in the first 796 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 9: two weeks. 797 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 5: But you know, three. 798 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 9: Months is a long period of time and I would 799 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 9: hate to jeopardize that and not having a quality backup 800 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 9: behind it. So I don't know where Derek carry is 801 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 9: with his shoulder I think was just mentioned. I think 802 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 9: the best guy out there right now is a guy 803 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 9: like Kirk Cousins, because I think he is now here 804 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 9: moved from his injury. He looked like a guy who's 805 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 9: very anty to play on that sideline. Last night he 806 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 9: was watching Michael pennicks Man. He's like, you know, that's 807 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 9: my ex team out there, So I'd be a guy 808 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 9: I would have on my radar. 809 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 2: Good to talk to you. I didn't get you fired 810 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: up this Monday like I have before. 811 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, you always get me fired out. 812 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 9: I was fired enough to come on here. And we 813 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 9: didn't even talking about the games tonight. I wanted to talk. 814 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 9: I mean, let's just talk about one second, Okay, the 815 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 9: infamous Jim Harball going against Pete Carroll. This goes so 816 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 9: far back. Jim Harball was at Stanford, Pete Carroll was 817 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 9: at USC. They used to recruit against each other. Then 818 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 9: they go to the NFC West, Pete Carroll goes to Seattle, 819 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 9: Jim Harball goes to San Francisco, and they used to 820 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 9: compete against each other. And here they are tonight. Here 821 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 9: they are the Vegas going against the Chargers winner first 822 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 9: place in the AFC West. You got to love this scenario, 823 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 9: the game within the game. We're gonna have that tonight 824 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 9: and this is watched. Those two guys on the sideline, 825 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 9: there's a genuine dislike for each other, a genuine respect 826 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 9: for each other. 827 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 5: But this is deep, deep rooted. 828 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 3: Did you have have one of those rivalries with a coach? 829 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 9: Oh, I didn't like the Baltimore Ravens when I coached, 830 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 9: and that was with Brian Billing. 831 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 3: Did you know like Brian Billick? 832 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 5: Well, he was a part of Baltimore raven. 833 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 3: I'm that would be a yes. 834 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 5: I just it was. He was a Raven. 835 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 2: But he was a genius. He was called a genius. 836 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 2: You probably were bothered by that that he was an 837 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 2: offensive genius. 838 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 9: You know, you want to get you started this, that's 839 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 9: let it go. 840 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 5: It's a nice Monday, a lot of good wins. We're 841 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 5: not going down his staff. That's another day. An okay, 842 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 5: all right, we'll pick up on that. 843 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 2: Why don't you just take a walk in Central Park 844 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 2: and cool down a little bit. 845 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 5: Okay, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Thank you. 846 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 9: So, I know, I guess I kind of I guess 847 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 9: I kind of brought that coaching thing up? 848 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 5: Did I yes? 849 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: Yes? Okay, my bad all Thank you coach, good to 850 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 3: talk to you. That's Bill Kauer.