WEBVTT - What is wrong with the Yankees? 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.880 News Day Yankees beat writer Eric Boland is here. Eric, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.240 thank you for joining us therapy session for many Yankee 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:13.120 fans that tune into our show. So let's just start 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.200 with a nice and simple how you doing and what 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.840 is wrong with the Bronx Bombers right now? 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.560 Well, first of all, Hi, Scott Todd Cameron covered two 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.479 of you guys in your brief time with the Yankees, 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.320 so good to see you in this context. 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:29.920 And yeah, if. 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:31.720 It's a therapy session, I'm not sure that I have 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.239 much to offer in the way of silver lining. I 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.000 guess there's a few things, but you know, they're they're 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:40.919 they're an unmitigated mess. Right now, we can just start. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.920 There, Okay, elaborate for us on what you're seeing that 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.159 is the biggest concern with the ball club. As I know, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.839 you know Judges making his way back. We'll see what 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.000 he looks like. But I mean, let's start with what 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.800 stands out on a national level. Sloppy play. You you 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.400 watch them every day, you cover this team at day, 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.960 do you feel that when you're seeing this team because 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.200 sometimes statistically, I think this weekend it was pointed out 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.840 how they don't run into that many outs on the 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.080 basis compared to other teams, and I'm like, well, they're 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.039 either getting a ton of attention or the ones that 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.520 they are running into are really glaring and costing them. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:16.360 Well. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.160 I mean, the thing of it is, you know, the 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.080 Yankees love to quote their internal numbers to you, and 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.800 so they'll tell you that their internal numbers that they're 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.800 really not that bad when it comes to some of 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.880 that stuff. But I always feel with so many of 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.880 those numbers, you can make them do for you exactly 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.280 what you want them to do. I remember a few 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.759 years ago when they had Isaiah Connor fileffa at shortstop 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.000 and he was just having a terrible year there, and Isaiah, 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:42.560 it would be the first one to tell you that 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.760 he wasn't very good. And the Yankees kept telling us 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.240 about their internal numbers showing that he was a top five, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.560 top to ten shortstop in the league. And I remember 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.360 talking to analytics people with other teams and they said, yeah, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:55.400 we find that laughable. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:56.880 That's certainly not what our numbers show. 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.200 But I do feel the Yankees, you know, excel in 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.240 you know, quoting their own numbers. They don't show us 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.960 those numbers, but say, you know, basically don't believe your 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:07.920 your lion eyes. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:09.080 You know. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.240 Look, I think we can almost start with what Derek 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:15.160 Jeter and Alex Rodriguez said over the weekend on the 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:19.440 Fox pregame show before the Speedway Classic about, you know, 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:24.440 the very little accountability sloppiness, and you've seen it repeatedly 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.840 and it didn't start in the fifth inning, which of 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.079 last year's Game five of the World Series. We saw 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.799 that disastrous inning when the Yankees coughed up the five 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:33.480 nothing lead. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.080 But look, the. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.080 Bottom line on this is the Yankees have been a 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.000 poor fundamental team for a number of years now. And 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.960 this is an organizational problem. It's not an Aaron Boone problem. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.840 And I've talked to scouts that are assigned to the 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.400 Yankees minor league system for years about this, and they've 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.320 talked about how from the bottom levels all the way 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.360 up through Triple A, fundamentals are not stressed. It's all 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.840 about exit velocity, spin rate, drive lined, you know, all 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.000 of the things that have become a big part of 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:05.240 the sport in the last decade. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:06.639 And there's a place for all of that. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.600 But what you're seeing is is there's not an emphasis 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.440 on actually playing the game well. Playing the game instinctually, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.240 and you can't measure that stuff, but you know when 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.840 you see it or when you don't see it. And 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.079 I still remember when did grigoris guy player you guys 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.280 are very familiar with, when he rehabbed for a couple 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.280 of weeks back in twenty nineteen in the minor leagues, 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.720 coming back for an injury, and he came back to 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:37.040 the big league clubhouse and told several of his teammates, quote, 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.560 you wouldn't believe some of the shit going on in 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.040 our minor leagues. And he was talking about what I'm 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.080 talking about, where all of the emphasis was on again 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:51.720 exit velocity, hitting home runs, spin rate for pitchers, et cetera. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.480 And there wasn't a lot getting done in terms of 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.200 making sure the guys actually play the game in a 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.040 competent way. So I don't know why people are suddenly 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.720 shocked there's gambling going on in the casino, if you will, 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.080 when they you see at the big league level, it's 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:11.080 the exact same thing. But again, Aaron Boone is the 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:12.840 face man for a lot of this in terms of 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.960 the slings and arrows coming from the from the fan 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:16.880 base and a lot of the media but I'm telling 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.599 you this is a top to bottom organizational issue, and 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:20.520 it has been for. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:21.520 A while now. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.400 I love everything about I don't love it because you know, 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.400 you want them to win. We all want them to win. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.359 But you've hit pretty much everything right right on the 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.159 head there of all the question I had. But the 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.680 other question I had, you're in the clubhouse pretty much 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.240 every day. How is it in there? I mean, is 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.040 there is there people? 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:40.160 You know? Not? 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.800 Is it one side here, one side there? I mean, 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.720 there's gotta be some dissension in there. Something's going on 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.200 because they don't look like they're loving the game of 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.520 baseball as much. And when you're in the clubhouse, you've 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.359 got to have that love, that energy. Is there anything 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.080 going on in that clubhouse where you're like up, same day, 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.359 here they go again, you know, like nobody seems to be, 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:00.960 you know, either root for each other, wanting to be 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:01.680 around each other. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:02.800 No. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.039 I mean, I think Todd, it's a relatively close, you 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.440 know group, And I spend as much time as I 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.520 can in the in the clubhouse just talking to guys, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.080 not usually with a notebook or a recorder, but just 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.919 you know, talking about a variety of things. Sometimes baseball, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.680 a lot of times not baseball related, but you know, 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.680 it's a professional clubhouse, and I can tell you that 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.920 the preparation is the exact same, the desire to win 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.360 is the exact same as it was when when this 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.799 team in the middle of June had the second best 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.440 record in the American League. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:37.400 I haven't picked up on. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.640 Any dissension or anything like that, but I don't think 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.160 there's any question that the way things have been going, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.320 and this period of poor play has been going on 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.760 for nearly two months now, that it is wearing on 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.520 guys somewhat. And I believe that they're feeling the pressure. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.600 And you know, you guys put on the pinstripes and 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.440 you can speak to this certainly better than I can. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.400 Reggie Jackson, legendary Yankee, always had a quote that the 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.120 pin stripes are heavy, and he talked about not everybody 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.000 can handle the pressure that comes with putting on a 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.000 Yankee uniform, and they can excel elsewhere, but then they 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.640 come here and it's a little bit more difficult because 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.560 every single game gets treated. To quote Brian Cashman, the 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.560 longtime general manager, every game is a one game season 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.960 based the way that's treated by the media and the 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:27.800 fan base, and not every player can handle that. We 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.760 saw it with Sonny Gray when he was here, he 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.480 was an all He's been an all Star, I think 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.440 at every stop he's been other than New York. We 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.800 saw the disastrous Joey Gallo trade from from a few 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.240 years ago, and we don't know what the new. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.160 Guys exactly how they're going to handle it. 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I don't thought all 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.640 was out in the chain because you said some things. 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.760 That that that worried me and I tweeted this the 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:13.280 other day. 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.240 You know, it's beautiful to start off how the yankee 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.200 started off high, and this is why it's so imperative 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.119 to start off really really well. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:21.800 Uh but you. 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.680 Said something that that kind of that kind of bothers 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.480 me or words me let me say when you say 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.160 the routine hasn't changed. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.240 I was around Dave Winfield and San Diego, and one thing. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.480 That he really always talked to me about as a 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.520 player was you can't be afraid to try something different. Well, 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.240 you know, the Yankees have not played good baseball for 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:44.120 the past few months, not consistent quality baseball. Do you 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.319 in your opinion or you know or or is there 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.440 anything that they're changing in the routine. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.960 Prior to the game, Because something has to change. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.160 You can't just continue to do play the same way 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.199 and then continue to prepare the same way and expect 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.959 to get different results. So I'm curious on on your 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.120 and as you watch and foll these guys, do you 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.920 think there's something that they need to concentrate more on 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.960 and is there or also too, are the Yankees just 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.959 who they're showing us that they are right now because 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.840 you get to a certain point of season where you 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.400 are who you are, I believe. 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:21.120 Well, that's kind of a multi layered question, camera, and 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.199 I let me turn that around the first part of 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.920 your question to you, both you and Todd as former 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.800 big leaguers, you know what is the line we all 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.359 know about the grind of one hundred. 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:33.320 And sixty two game season. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.640 You guys obviously went through it for a very long 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.040 time in the big leagues when things aren't going well. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.560 What is the point where you suddenly change things up 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:45.760 and what are those things? 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.720 Yeah, for me, I'll answer it side. I'll go first. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:51.320 For me. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.520 You know, when I'm watching the games. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.559 I think guys, and we talked about Milwaukee Brewers, guys 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.199 not understanding who they are, right. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:59.800 We could plain about Anthony Vopi. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.520 You know, he's gonna you're gonn struggle at times on defense, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.800 but offensively, you know. And I watch him and I 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.480 watch Jazz, and I watch some of these guys that 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.160 should be table setters. It's the same swing. It's a 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.199 feaster famous swing. It's swinging for the defense, whether you're 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.080 at home or you're on the road, where it's like, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.800 you know, the old school back through the middle, low 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.520 line drives. Reggie Jackson told me, Hey, when I first 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.080 came to the New York Yankees, Hey, Cam, collect your hits, like, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.520 get your hits first. Then once you start feeling good, 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.760 then you could do a little bit more. For me, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.880 it's just what kind of conversations are they having with 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.840 guys like Jazz, who I know you have seventeen eighteen homers, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:35.240 but you need to be getting on base. You need 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.160 to be stealing. Jason Deminguez force the issue. Let's create 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.520 some havoc on the basis. For me, those would be 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.559 things and then that start to VP and ty can 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.679 can follow up off this. Some of those guys say, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.400 let's shorten up. You know, I watch Aaron Judges Mike 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:48.920 and excuse me not Mike stand. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.120 I still call him Big Mike. John Carlos stand. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.760 I watched these guys hit hard ground balls and line 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.440 drives early in VP rounds. They're not trying to hit homers. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.079 So you know, understanding who you are at the big 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.040 league levels and poor and I think you know that's 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.240 a part of the changes that need to be made. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.360 What kind of role are you? What role player are you? 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.720 I think that's the biggest adjustment some guys got to make. 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.800 They come up there thinking, oh, I got to be 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.320 somebody different. No, if you be you and control your controls, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.800 you're going to be just fine. If you're a leadoff guy, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.520 get on base. If you're one of those guys that 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.880 are in a three to seven hole, time to bop 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.880 some RBIs and forget about the paperwork in the TV. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.160 What is he throwing He had two seamers running in 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.000 a little bit slider away, Like, you don't need any 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.560 more else than that. Percentages throw them out the window. 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.920 When you're struggling, come together as a unit and communicate. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.120 I do see the Yankees doing that a lot. But 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.160 at the same time, how much are they taking that 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.160 intake in and bringing it to the field. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.840 And Cameron, you know, to add on to that, I 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.040 guess a little bit when you talk about changing things up. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:50.880 But one of the things that drives me nuts in 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.400 this sport and actually all professional sports. You've heard this 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.840 phrase more and more over the years, and the Yankees 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.680 certainly will make you nauseous with it is they talk about, well, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:06.760 the process is sound, and if it's not working, then 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.679 you've got to change the process. But you know, the 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:13.600 Yankees internally in the organization and this is not one 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.320 of my anti analytics screens. And I get so tired 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.280 of arguing with people in the Yankees front office about this, 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.120 or they say, well, when you criticize that, you're just 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.240 anti analytics, and I'm like, well, some of mys sources 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.080 are actually analytics guys with other teams. So I'm not 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.880 anti analytics by any stretch, but sometimes you have to 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.360 look inward and say and evaluate everything and say, you know, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.280 what we're doing is not working. It's not translating to 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.760 the big league level. Maybe we need to simplify some things. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.480 Maybe we don't need to constantly have the iPads out 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.640 and constantly looking at you know, again, you know all 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.640 of the metric numbers. One person the organization that I 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.319 was talking to a couple of days ago and said, yeah, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.000 you know, we're just the stat cast kings. That seems 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.120 to be all that we that we care about. And 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.320 I'm not saying that's necessarily what the play is first 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.160 and foremost in their mind, but if you come up 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.640 through the minor league system with that, then then maybe 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.600 that's what you think is most important. I remember talking 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.360 to a scout as a Yankees minor league system from 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.320 another team about two weeks ago, and he had seen 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.280 the system from the lower level low A ball all 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.160 the way up to Triple A and he said, he said, 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.600 it drives me crazy. He goes you watch batting practice. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.439 He said, it's like softball banning practice. It's just uppercut, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.840 swing as hard as you can and see how many 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:27.880 balls go over the fence. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:29.600 Well, that's kind of not what. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.439 You guys are describing in terms of how big leaguers 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.480 should prepare to hit. And you you mentioned Judge, and 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.280 you mentioned Stanton, and they have their own routines, and 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.200 those are routines that have been honed over, you know, 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:45.760 many years in the major leagues. I just think that organizationally, 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.600 and I said this two years ago when they won 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.080 eighty two to eighty and missed the playoffs in the season, 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.720 just careened into a ditch in the second half, is 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.480 that when that season ended, that they needed to internally 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.760 as an organization ask themselves some very difficult questions about 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.680 their methodology and in their minds what they believe is 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:09.240 unassailable methodology because they nobody's more sensitive than the analytics 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.080 guys when you criticize them. I can tell you that 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.320 from first hand experience over the years. You know, the 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.280 pro scouts, they've got to sign their names to all 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.560 of their reports and they have to live with that, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.360 good or bad. The analytics guys, I think a lot 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.040 of times hide behind their computers and they say, well, 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.200 you know, the process is there. It should have worked out, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:29.840 and you know, if it didn't work out, it's on 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.880 somebody else, But it's not on us. That's a whole 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.800 nother I guess tangent there. But Cameron, your second question 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.440 is this who they are? I mean, it's been a 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.680 jeckle in a high season. I mean they were seventeen 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.240 games over five hundred after they swept the Royals on 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.640 June twelfth in Kansas City, and then since then they 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.880 got they went into Fenway Park, got swept by the 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.520 Red Sox and they've been you know, I think it's 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.760 now twenty eight out of forty six games since then 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:02.200 that they've lost. So, you know, when they built the 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.400 record to seventeen games over five hundred, they had one 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.240 of the best starting rotations in the game, they had 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.760 one of the best bullpens, and their offense was leading 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.920 in pretty much every category. And almost none of those 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.720 things have been the case the last almost two months now. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.800 And then you throw in the consistent sloppy play, bad 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:26.280 base running, et cetera. Mental brain freezes physical mistakes all 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.560 of the above, and you get you know, where they are? 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.360 So who are they exactly? I think that's who they are. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.120 And when you look at the September schedule where they 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.760 get a healthy dose of a couple of series against 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.400 the Orioles, the Twins, who you know, since two thousand 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.480 and two, I think they've won seventy five or eighty 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.920 percent of their games against the Twins. And that's actually 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.840 not you know, hyperbole, that's pretty accurate. And the White 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.720 Sox are thrown in there. You know, this team certainly 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:59.000 has the capabilities of getting hot in September, but they 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.840 have not shown any indications that they're capable of doing that. 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:03.920 Last question here. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.200 Ahead, go ahead ahead. 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.040 Last question for me. Jake Bird to innings, seven runs 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.680 is the guy they were looking for important innings coming 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.400 in here and it just didn't have it coming from Colorado. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.040 Talk a little bit about that, and you know, just 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.760 another another one to write off right now. He's got 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:23.840 to he's got to find himself. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.520 Yeah, you know, And I don't know Jake well, and 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.520 this is not a shot I got him by any 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:34.120 stretch of imagination. But as as you guys know, there 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.640 were probably twenty teams looking for bullpen help before the 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.600 trade deadline. The Yankees certainly were pretty high on that 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.960 list and talking to scouts from other teams that were 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.840 looking for bullpen help and that had scouted Jake Bird. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.600 There was a lot of concern from those guys that 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:55.400 Bird had been basically run into the ground first few 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.200 months in Colorado. And you look at it, he had 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.920 forty five appearances with the Yes at the time that 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.200 the Yankees traded for him, and he had a really 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.000 bad July, which obviously is the time leading up to 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:10.920 the to the trade deadline, and there were quite a 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.520 few teams that backed off of him for that reason. Uh. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.959 And I suspect just a suspicion, because I've seen this 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.159 with with the Yankees and trade deadline acquisitions in the past. 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.720 Started Joey Gallows a good example where uh, you know 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.760 their analytics wings decided, well, we'll fix them. We've we've 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.440 got all the answers, we've got our pitching lab, and uh, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.440 you know, nobody likes to pat themselves on the back 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.440 more for being cutting edge, uh than that the Yankees do. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.560 And that that they ignored basically the fact that there 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.719 were some concerns industry wide about Bird, not that he 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.960 was injured or anything like that, but just basically that 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.919 he might you know, have been you know, overused a 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.320 bit with Colorado, and his numbers did show that in 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.760 uh in July with with the Rockies before the deadline. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.840 I think he had five v R A or something 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.359 like that in the month of July before the trades. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.040 So you know, look, I mean, he's certainly is a 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.720 capable guy. He has shown that before. Maybe he gets 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.440 himself right in a triple A. That move was made 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.760 because Mark Lighter Junior is coming off the il before 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.920 tonight's game, So you know, there's still a decent chance 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.440 that we see Bird at some point back here in 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:25.199 the big leagues, but again in the industry because there 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.920 were so many teams looking for relievers. That's one thing 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.600 that I heard from scouts from other teams about Bird 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.200 that there was just a little bit of worry that 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:36.480 maybe he had been overly text by the Rockies before 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:37.199 the deadline. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.120 Well, now let's send him down to get a little 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.280 break and we'll see what happens. They've done a nice 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.560 job getting some bullpen guys together and obviously shining Luke 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.159 Weavers a shiny story. But yes, I'm with you, they 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.520 probably got a great deal because his stock was low 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.000 and you know again run off. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.560 His loves that Eric, this was great. 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.960 Thank you so much for the time. Appreciate you and 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.520