1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: News Day Yankees beat writer Eric Boland is here. Eric, 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us therapy session for many Yankee 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: fans that tune into our show. So let's just start 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: with a nice and simple how you doing and what 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: is wrong with the Bronx Bombers right now? 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Hi, Scott Todd Cameron covered two 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 2: of you guys in your brief time with the Yankees, 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: so good to see you in this context. 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: And yeah, if. 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: It's a therapy session, I'm not sure that I have 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: much to offer in the way of silver lining. I 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: guess there's a few things, but you know, they're they're 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 2: they're an unmitigated mess. Right now, we can just start. 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: There, Okay, elaborate for us on what you're seeing that 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: is the biggest concern with the ball club. As I know, 16 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: you know Judges making his way back. We'll see what 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: he looks like. But I mean, let's start with what 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: stands out on a national level. Sloppy play. You you 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: watch them every day, you cover this team at day, 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: do you feel that when you're seeing this team because 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: sometimes statistically, I think this weekend it was pointed out 22 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: how they don't run into that many outs on the 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: basis compared to other teams, and I'm like, well, they're 24 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: either getting a ton of attention or the ones that 25 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: they are running into are really glaring and costing them. 26 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 4: Well. 27 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: I mean, the thing of it is, you know, the 28 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: Yankees love to quote their internal numbers to you, and 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: so they'll tell you that their internal numbers that they're 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: really not that bad when it comes to some of 31 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: that stuff. But I always feel with so many of 32 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: those numbers, you can make them do for you exactly 33 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: what you want them to do. I remember a few 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 2: years ago when they had Isaiah Connor fileffa at shortstop 35 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: and he was just having a terrible year there, and Isaiah, 36 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: it would be the first one to tell you that 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: he wasn't very good. And the Yankees kept telling us 38 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: about their internal numbers showing that he was a top five, 39 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: top to ten shortstop in the league. And I remember 40 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: talking to analytics people with other teams and they said, yeah, 41 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: we find that laughable. 42 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: That's certainly not what our numbers show. 43 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: But I do feel the Yankees, you know, excel in 44 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: you know, quoting their own numbers. They don't show us 45 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: those numbers, but say, you know, basically don't believe your 46 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: your lion eyes. 47 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 4: You know. 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: Look, I think we can almost start with what Derek 49 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: Jeter and Alex Rodriguez said over the weekend on the 50 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: Fox pregame show before the Speedway Classic about, you know, 51 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: the very little accountability sloppiness, and you've seen it repeatedly 52 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: and it didn't start in the fifth inning, which of 53 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: last year's Game five of the World Series. We saw 54 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 2: that disastrous inning when the Yankees coughed up the five 55 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: nothing lead. 56 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: But look, the. 57 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: Bottom line on this is the Yankees have been a 58 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: poor fundamental team for a number of years now. And 59 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: this is an organizational problem. It's not an Aaron Boone problem. 60 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: And I've talked to scouts that are assigned to the 61 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: Yankees minor league system for years about this, and they've 62 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: talked about how from the bottom levels all the way 63 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: up through Triple A, fundamentals are not stressed. It's all 64 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: about exit velocity, spin rate, drive lined, you know, all 65 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: of the things that have become a big part of 66 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: the sport in the last decade. 67 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: And there's a place for all of that. 68 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: But what you're seeing is is there's not an emphasis 69 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: on actually playing the game well. Playing the game instinctually, 70 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: and you can't measure that stuff, but you know when 71 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: you see it or when you don't see it. And 72 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: I still remember when did grigoris guy player you guys 73 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: are very familiar with, when he rehabbed for a couple 74 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: of weeks back in twenty nineteen in the minor leagues, 75 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: coming back for an injury, and he came back to 76 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: the big league clubhouse and told several of his teammates, quote, 77 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe some of the shit going on in 78 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: our minor leagues. And he was talking about what I'm 79 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: talking about, where all of the emphasis was on again 80 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: exit velocity, hitting home runs, spin rate for pitchers, et cetera. 81 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: And there wasn't a lot getting done in terms of 82 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: making sure the guys actually play the game in a 83 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: competent way. So I don't know why people are suddenly 84 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: shocked there's gambling going on in the casino, if you will, 85 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: when they you see at the big league level, it's 86 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: the exact same thing. But again, Aaron Boone is the 87 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: face man for a lot of this in terms of 88 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: the slings and arrows coming from the from the fan 89 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: base and a lot of the media but I'm telling 90 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: you this is a top to bottom organizational issue, and 91 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: it has been for. 92 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: A while now. 93 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 5: I love everything about I don't love it because you know, 94 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 5: you want them to win. We all want them to win. 95 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 5: But you've hit pretty much everything right right on the 96 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 5: head there of all the question I had. But the 97 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 5: other question I had, you're in the clubhouse pretty much 98 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 5: every day. How is it in there? I mean, is 99 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 5: there is there people? 100 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 4: You know? Not? 101 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 5: Is it one side here, one side there? I mean, 102 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 5: there's gotta be some dissension in there. Something's going on 103 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 5: because they don't look like they're loving the game of 104 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 5: baseball as much. And when you're in the clubhouse, you've 105 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 5: got to have that love, that energy. Is there anything 106 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 5: going on in that clubhouse where you're like up, same day, 107 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 5: here they go again, you know, like nobody seems to be, 108 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 5: you know, either root for each other, wanting to be 109 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 5: around each other. 110 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: No. 111 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: I mean, I think Todd, it's a relatively close, you 112 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: know group, And I spend as much time as I 113 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: can in the in the clubhouse just talking to guys, 114 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: not usually with a notebook or a recorder, but just 115 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 2: you know, talking about a variety of things. Sometimes baseball, 116 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: a lot of times not baseball related, but you know, 117 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: it's a professional clubhouse, and I can tell you that 118 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: the preparation is the exact same, the desire to win 119 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: is the exact same as it was when when this 120 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 2: team in the middle of June had the second best 121 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: record in the American League. 122 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: I haven't picked up on. 123 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: Any dissension or anything like that, but I don't think 124 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: there's any question that the way things have been going, 125 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: and this period of poor play has been going on 126 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: for nearly two months now, that it is wearing on 127 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: guys somewhat. And I believe that they're feeling the pressure. 128 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: And you know, you guys put on the pinstripes and 129 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: you can speak to this certainly better than I can. 130 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson, legendary Yankee, always had a quote that the 131 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: pin stripes are heavy, and he talked about not everybody 132 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: can handle the pressure that comes with putting on a 133 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: Yankee uniform, and they can excel elsewhere, but then they 134 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: come here and it's a little bit more difficult because 135 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: every single game gets treated. To quote Brian Cashman, the 136 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: longtime general manager, every game is a one game season 137 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: based the way that's treated by the media and the 138 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: fan base, and not every player can handle that. We 139 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: saw it with Sonny Gray when he was here, he 140 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: was an all He's been an all Star, I think 141 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: at every stop he's been other than New York. We 142 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: saw the disastrous Joey Gallo trade from from a few 143 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: years ago, and we don't know what the new. 144 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 3: Guys exactly how they're going to handle it. It's too 145 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: small of of a sample size. 146 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: But in terms of the clubhouse and the professionalism and 147 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: the preparation and guys getting along, the chemistry is fine 148 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: in the in the clubhouse, and it's just it's not 149 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: it's not translating into the field the way that it 150 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: was the first two and a half months of the season. 151 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: Obviously, it's summertime, it's bathing suit time, and it's time 152 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: to get a better bathing suit liner. It's twenty twenty 153 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: five crats. 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This 173 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 6: is me ripping up my questions. I don't thought all 174 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 6: was out in the chain because you said some things. 175 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: That that that worried me and I tweeted this the 176 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: other day. 177 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 6: You know, it's beautiful to start off how the yankee 178 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 6: started off high, and this is why it's so imperative 179 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,119 Speaker 6: to start off really really well. 180 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 4: Uh but you. 181 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 6: Said something that that kind of that kind of bothers 182 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 6: me or words me let me say when you say 183 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 6: the routine hasn't changed. 184 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: I was around Dave Winfield and San Diego, and one thing. 185 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 6: That he really always talked to me about as a 186 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 6: player was you can't be afraid to try something different. Well, 187 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 6: you know, the Yankees have not played good baseball for 188 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 6: the past few months, not consistent quality baseball. Do you 189 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 6: in your opinion or you know or or is there 190 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 6: anything that they're changing in the routine. 191 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 4: Prior to the game, Because something has to change. 192 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 6: You can't just continue to do play the same way 193 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 6: and then continue to prepare the same way and expect 194 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 6: to get different results. So I'm curious on on your 195 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 6: and as you watch and foll these guys, do you 196 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 6: think there's something that they need to concentrate more on 197 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 6: and is there or also too, are the Yankees just 198 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 6: who they're showing us that they are right now because 199 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 6: you get to a certain point of season where you 200 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 6: are who you are, I believe. 201 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of a multi layered question, camera, and 202 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 2: I let me turn that around the first part of 203 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: your question to you, both you and Todd as former 204 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: big leaguers, you know what is the line we all 205 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,359 Speaker 2: know about the grind of one hundred. 206 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: And sixty two game season. 207 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: You guys obviously went through it for a very long 208 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: time in the big leagues when things aren't going well. 209 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: What is the point where you suddenly change things up 210 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: and what are those things? 211 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, I'll answer it side. I'll go first. 212 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: For me. 213 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: You know, when I'm watching the games. 214 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 6: I think guys, and we talked about Milwaukee Brewers, guys 215 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 6: not understanding who they are, right. 216 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: We could plain about Anthony Vopi. 217 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 6: You know, he's gonna you're gonn struggle at times on defense, 218 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 6: but offensively, you know. And I watch him and I 219 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 6: watch Jazz, and I watch some of these guys that 220 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 6: should be table setters. It's the same swing. It's a 221 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 6: feaster famous swing. It's swinging for the defense, whether you're 222 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 6: at home or you're on the road, where it's like, 223 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 6: you know, the old school back through the middle, low 224 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 6: line drives. Reggie Jackson told me, Hey, when I first 225 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 6: came to the New York Yankees, Hey, Cam, collect your hits, like, 226 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 6: get your hits first. Then once you start feeling good, 227 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 6: then you could do a little bit more. For me, 228 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 6: it's just what kind of conversations are they having with 229 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 6: guys like Jazz, who I know you have seventeen eighteen homers, 230 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 6: but you need to be getting on base. You need 231 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 6: to be stealing. Jason Deminguez force the issue. Let's create 232 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 6: some havoc on the basis. For me, those would be 233 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 6: things and then that start to VP and ty can 234 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 6: can follow up off this. Some of those guys say, 235 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 6: let's shorten up. You know, I watch Aaron Judges Mike 236 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 6: and excuse me not Mike stand. 237 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: I still call him Big Mike. John Carlos stand. 238 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 6: I watched these guys hit hard ground balls and line 239 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 6: drives early in VP rounds. They're not trying to hit homers. 240 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 6: So you know, understanding who you are at the big 241 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 6: league levels and poor and I think you know that's 242 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 6: a part of the changes that need to be made. 243 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 5: What kind of role are you? What role player are you? 244 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 5: I think that's the biggest adjustment some guys got to make. 245 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 5: They come up there thinking, oh, I got to be 246 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 5: somebody different. No, if you be you and control your controls, 247 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 5: you're going to be just fine. If you're a leadoff guy, 248 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 5: get on base. If you're one of those guys that 249 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 5: are in a three to seven hole, time to bop 250 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 5: some RBIs and forget about the paperwork in the TV. 251 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 5: What is he throwing He had two seamers running in 252 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 5: a little bit slider away, Like, you don't need any 253 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 5: more else than that. Percentages throw them out the window. 254 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 5: When you're struggling, come together as a unit and communicate. 255 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 5: I do see the Yankees doing that a lot. But 256 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 5: at the same time, how much are they taking that 257 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 5: intake in and bringing it to the field. 258 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: And Cameron, you know, to add on to that, I 259 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: guess a little bit when you talk about changing things up. 260 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: But one of the things that drives me nuts in 261 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: this sport and actually all professional sports. You've heard this 262 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: phrase more and more over the years, and the Yankees 263 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: certainly will make you nauseous with it is they talk about, well, 264 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: the process is sound, and if it's not working, then 265 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: you've got to change the process. But you know, the 266 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: Yankees internally in the organization and this is not one 267 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: of my anti analytics screens. And I get so tired 268 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: of arguing with people in the Yankees front office about this, 269 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: or they say, well, when you criticize that, you're just 270 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: anti analytics, and I'm like, well, some of mys sources 271 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: are actually analytics guys with other teams. So I'm not 272 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: anti analytics by any stretch, but sometimes you have to 273 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: look inward and say and evaluate everything and say, you know, 274 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: what we're doing is not working. It's not translating to 275 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: the big league level. Maybe we need to simplify some things. 276 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: Maybe we don't need to constantly have the iPads out 277 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: and constantly looking at you know, again, you know all 278 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: of the metric numbers. One person the organization that I 279 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 2: was talking to a couple of days ago and said, yeah, 280 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: you know, we're just the stat cast kings. That seems 281 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: to be all that we that we care about. And 282 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's necessarily what the play is first 283 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: and foremost in their mind, but if you come up 284 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: through the minor league system with that, then then maybe 285 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: that's what you think is most important. I remember talking 286 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: to a scout as a Yankees minor league system from 287 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: another team about two weeks ago, and he had seen 288 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: the system from the lower level low A ball all 289 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: the way up to Triple A and he said, he said, 290 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: it drives me crazy. He goes you watch batting practice. 291 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: He said, it's like softball banning practice. It's just uppercut, 292 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: swing as hard as you can and see how many 293 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: balls go over the fence. 294 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of not what. 295 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 2: You guys are describing in terms of how big leaguers 296 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: should prepare to hit. And you you mentioned Judge, and 297 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: you mentioned Stanton, and they have their own routines, and 298 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: those are routines that have been honed over, you know, 299 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: many years in the major leagues. I just think that organizationally, 300 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: and I said this two years ago when they won 301 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: eighty two to eighty and missed the playoffs in the season, 302 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: just careened into a ditch in the second half, is 303 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: that when that season ended, that they needed to internally 304 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: as an organization ask themselves some very difficult questions about 305 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: their methodology and in their minds what they believe is 306 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: unassailable methodology because they nobody's more sensitive than the analytics 307 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: guys when you criticize them. I can tell you that 308 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: from first hand experience over the years. You know, the 309 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: pro scouts, they've got to sign their names to all 310 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: of their reports and they have to live with that, 311 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: good or bad. The analytics guys, I think a lot 312 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: of times hide behind their computers and they say, well, 313 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: you know, the process is there. It should have worked out, 314 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: and you know, if it didn't work out, it's on 315 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: somebody else, But it's not on us. That's a whole 316 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: nother I guess tangent there. But Cameron, your second question 317 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: is this who they are? I mean, it's been a 318 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: jeckle in a high season. I mean they were seventeen 319 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: games over five hundred after they swept the Royals on 320 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: June twelfth in Kansas City, and then since then they 321 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: got they went into Fenway Park, got swept by the 322 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: Red Sox and they've been you know, I think it's 323 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: now twenty eight out of forty six games since then 324 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: that they've lost. So, you know, when they built the 325 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: record to seventeen games over five hundred, they had one 326 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: of the best starting rotations in the game, they had 327 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: one of the best bullpens, and their offense was leading 328 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: in pretty much every category. And almost none of those 329 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: things have been the case the last almost two months now. 330 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: And then you throw in the consistent sloppy play, bad 331 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: base running, et cetera. Mental brain freezes physical mistakes all 332 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: of the above, and you get you know, where they are? 333 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: So who are they exactly? I think that's who they are. 334 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: And when you look at the September schedule where they 335 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: get a healthy dose of a couple of series against 336 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: the Orioles, the Twins, who you know, since two thousand 337 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: and two, I think they've won seventy five or eighty 338 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: percent of their games against the Twins. And that's actually 339 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: not you know, hyperbole, that's pretty accurate. And the White 340 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: Sox are thrown in there. You know, this team certainly 341 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: has the capabilities of getting hot in September, but they 342 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: have not shown any indications that they're capable of doing that. 343 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 5: Last question here. 344 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: Ahead, go ahead ahead. 345 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 5: Last question for me. Jake Bird to innings, seven runs 346 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 5: is the guy they were looking for important innings coming 347 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 5: in here and it just didn't have it coming from Colorado. 348 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 5: Talk a little bit about that, and you know, just 349 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 5: another another one to write off right now. He's got 350 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 5: to he's got to find himself. 351 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I don't know Jake well, and 352 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: this is not a shot I got him by any 353 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: stretch of imagination. But as as you guys know, there 354 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: were probably twenty teams looking for bullpen help before the 355 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: trade deadline. The Yankees certainly were pretty high on that 356 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: list and talking to scouts from other teams that were 357 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: looking for bullpen help and that had scouted Jake Bird. 358 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: There was a lot of concern from those guys that 359 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: Bird had been basically run into the ground first few 360 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: months in Colorado. And you look at it, he had 361 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: forty five appearances with the Yes at the time that 362 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: the Yankees traded for him, and he had a really 363 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: bad July, which obviously is the time leading up to 364 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: the to the trade deadline, and there were quite a 365 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: few teams that backed off of him for that reason. Uh. 366 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 2: And I suspect just a suspicion, because I've seen this 367 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: with with the Yankees and trade deadline acquisitions in the past. 368 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: Started Joey Gallows a good example where uh, you know 369 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: their analytics wings decided, well, we'll fix them. We've we've 370 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: got all the answers, we've got our pitching lab, and uh, 371 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: you know, nobody likes to pat themselves on the back 372 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: more for being cutting edge, uh than that the Yankees do. 373 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: And that that they ignored basically the fact that there 374 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 2: were some concerns industry wide about Bird, not that he 375 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: was injured or anything like that, but just basically that 376 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 2: he might you know, have been you know, overused a 377 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: bit with Colorado, and his numbers did show that in 378 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: uh in July with with the Rockies before the deadline. 379 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: I think he had five v R A or something 380 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: like that in the month of July before the trades. 381 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: So you know, look, I mean, he's certainly is a 382 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: capable guy. He has shown that before. Maybe he gets 383 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: himself right in a triple A. That move was made 384 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: because Mark Lighter Junior is coming off the il before 385 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 2: tonight's game, So you know, there's still a decent chance 386 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: that we see Bird at some point back here in 387 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 2: the big leagues, but again in the industry because there 388 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: were so many teams looking for relievers. That's one thing 389 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: that I heard from scouts from other teams about Bird 390 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: that there was just a little bit of worry that 391 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: maybe he had been overly text by the Rockies before 392 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: the deadline. 393 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: Well, now let's send him down to get a little 394 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: break and we'll see what happens. They've done a nice 395 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: job getting some bullpen guys together and obviously shining Luke 396 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: Weavers a shiny story. But yes, I'm with you, they 397 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: probably got a great deal because his stock was low 398 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: and you know again run off. 399 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 4: His loves that Eric, this was great. 400 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the time. Appreciate you and 401 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: everyone check out Eric's work both on Twitter and of 402 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: course Newsday. 403 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 4: Thank you, Eric, Scott, Todd Cameron. 404 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: Look forward to seeing you guys down the road.