WEBVTT - Danielle Fishel Chooses Boundaries; Your Colleagues Are Not Family

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to I Choose Me, the podcast about making choices that

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<v Speaker 1>put yourself first. I'm pretty sure Danielle Fischel is what

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<v Speaker 1>comes up in the dictionary when you look up putting

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<v Speaker 1>yourself first. We have seen her as a nineties teen phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a director, now commanding sets behind the lens,

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<v Speaker 1>mom of two active boys, dancing queen, and now a

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<v Speaker 1>prolific podcaster. Danielle has chosen herself time and time again,

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<v Speaker 1>and you won't believe all that she has done to

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<v Speaker 1>get there. Hello, Hello, how are you beauty? Wearing the red?

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<v Speaker 2>Red's my favorite color? I can tell I have so

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<v Speaker 2>much red, and I every now and then I'll think like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>don't wear red, because now my friends have started being

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<v Speaker 2>like and of course the niels and red, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh man, it's really that noticeable.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm that girl. I'm the girl that always wears red.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks great on you, so and it's happy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>happy color and it works perfectly. Because I just saw that.

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<v Speaker 1>You and Lance pass are the hosts of Christmas in

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<v Speaker 1>July for KVC.

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<v Speaker 2>We are co cheer captains.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, nobody better to be a cheer captain than you

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<v Speaker 1>and Lance.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this, right, I mean, yeah, two people who

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<v Speaker 2>look great and red. So that's why they picked us.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yeah, we You and I. We cross

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<v Speaker 1>paths in the QBC hallways.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's wonderful. We cross paths in the iHeart hallways.

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<v Speaker 2>We cross paths in the QVC hallways. We just we

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<v Speaker 2>are like ships passing in the night.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this. This is a new thing because before this,

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<v Speaker 1>before the podcast world, and before we both started on QVC,

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<v Speaker 1>we never ever ever really saw each other, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>around town.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I get to compliment your clothes every time I

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<v Speaker 2>see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, I love that. Thank you. It's so fun seeing you.

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<v Speaker 2>You always look so fantastic and put together, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always like where'd you get that? What is that? And

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<v Speaker 2>You're like it's mine. I'm like, oh my gosh, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to be shopping on qbcmore obvious girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, you just finished recapping all seven seasons of

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<v Speaker 1>Boy Meets World. I know what did you? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>am not there yet. I'm very excited for when we

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<v Speaker 1>do get to the very last episode and like how

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to feel. How did it feel for you

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<v Speaker 1>when you when you were at the last episode.

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<v Speaker 2>When we finished Boy Meets World in nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 2>I was so ready for it to be over, and

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, I was also very sad, like

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<v Speaker 2>it was obvious that it was the closing of such

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<v Speaker 2>a chapter, and it felt very much like, who knows

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm ever going to see these people again, Who

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<v Speaker 2>knows if we'll ever like what will this feel like

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<v Speaker 2>in the future. I had no idea, So there was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sadness, even though I was relieved that

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<v Speaker 2>the show was over. With the podcast ending, the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>has brought us so much closer, and here we are,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty plus years into our friendship. I have no doubt

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<v Speaker 2>I will know these people for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is a lot less sadness this time around.

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<v Speaker 2>There is actually a lot of joy in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that because it was our first time watching all of

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<v Speaker 2>the episodes, I really understand why the show is so beloved.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's like I'm hearing myself. This is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly my realization from the recap podcast that I do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, this like amazing opportunity to to become a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of your own show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's exactly how I feel, because you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting around watching it. Nope, you were making it. You

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<v Speaker 1>were busy making it and trying to figure out what life,

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<v Speaker 1>how to have a life around that.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. And I only ever saw the show through my

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<v Speaker 2>character's lens, and now that I'm watching it with forty

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<v Speaker 2>five year old eyes, and I'm able to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, what a beautiful parent story, what a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful lesson there for that character. Whereas like when we

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<v Speaker 2>were going through the week, I was just thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>what I had to say, what I had to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even really paying attention to what the lessons

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<v Speaker 2>of the show were. And how I get to appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>From every POV I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I always say like, yeah, I never knew it

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<v Speaker 1>was happening in the rest of the episode because I

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<v Speaker 1>would literally go through the script and read my lines

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<v Speaker 1>and worry about my scenes and not focus at all

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<v Speaker 1>on the other scenes because I was on my job.

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<v Speaker 2>Blah blah, my life exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, congrats on finishing that. And I can definitely

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<v Speaker 1>relate to that feeling of like, wow, I get it now,

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<v Speaker 1>and also just like a newfound sort of level of

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<v Speaker 1>pride in what you were a part of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, what an honor to you know. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>there are so few shows, of all the shows that

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<v Speaker 2>have ever been on the air, there are so few

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<v Speaker 2>shows that anyone would care to talk about thirty years later,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet the two like look at us that this

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity was ours and that we get to still talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it and relive it, and that it at least

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<v Speaker 2>for me in our situation. The memories are so overwhelmingly

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<v Speaker 2>a majority positive that it's a delight to go back

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<v Speaker 2>through them. And even if there are moments where it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that could have been a better week, or that could

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<v Speaker 2>have been a better experience. No one goes through seven

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<v Speaker 2>plus years of their life without having moments where you go, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I would have done that differently, or I

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<v Speaker 2>wish that could have been done, you know, in a

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<v Speaker 2>different way. But overwhelmingly I have seven years of incredible

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<v Speaker 2>memories that I just get to relive every week through

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So you think you're do you think now that you've

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<v Speaker 1>finished it, you do you think you'll ever watch it again?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to watch it again.

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<v Speaker 1>The thirty time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, this will be a second time. A second time,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have been very strict with ourselves about like

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<v Speaker 2>the rules where we didn't allow ourselves to watch ahead. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we only watched right before we were going to record

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<v Speaker 2>the episode. So now I kind of and we of

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<v Speaker 2>course had to watch them in order. So now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>excited to watch them almost Like we talked today about

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<v Speaker 2>it being like a roulette wheel, pick a couple episodes

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<v Speaker 2>from every season and then spin it and see what

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<v Speaker 2>you land on, and then just jump in and watch

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<v Speaker 2>that one and see what you've done.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, really, what a cool thing to have, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that, to be able to do yeah, really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was twelve to nineteen twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask you whole you were.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, those are some higher entire teams are on

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<v Speaker 2>tape for.

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<v Speaker 1>Me to watch, and it's going to be so cool

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<v Speaker 1>for when your kids are that age. I know they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I told my daughter I was talking with you today,

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<v Speaker 1>and she got so excited. She said, not only did

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<v Speaker 1>she love you in the original show, but she loved

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<v Speaker 1>you even more in.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because I was the mom on Girl Meets World. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's so sweet. Your daughter was a big Dancing with

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<v Speaker 2>the Stars fan too, Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have three so okay, maybe they were when

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<v Speaker 1>I was on it. I don't know that they watch

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<v Speaker 1>it with other seasons and they were little, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what they were thinking. But you finished one podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're moving on to another podcast, speaking of Dancing

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<v Speaker 1>with the Stars with your friend, my friend Val, we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Recapping Dancing with the Stars, the next pro so Dancing

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<v Speaker 2>with the Stars New Sister show where the thing I

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<v Speaker 2>love about it and one of the things I love

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<v Speaker 2>about having Val there with me, aside from the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that now everyone will get to appreciate his hilarity in

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<v Speaker 2>his personality, is that you know, they were all tasked,

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<v Speaker 2>not everyone, but a bunch of the pros were asked

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<v Speaker 2>to go and appear on the show to help mentor

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<v Speaker 2>these future contestants or future pros, and VAL's like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is my future competition. In just a few short weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>the season kicks into high gear and now I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to be against this person for a mirror Ball trophy.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is pretty interesting that, like you have to

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<v Speaker 2>teach your competition. Yeah, is he teaching on the new

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<v Speaker 2>He's not. He's not teaching on the new show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that he like put a boundary down and

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<v Speaker 1>said no, yeah, he's not doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are there are other Dancing with the Stars

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<v Speaker 2>pros who are going to show up throughout the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Derek is was one of the guest judges. So the

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<v Speaker 2>way it works basically is Shirley Ballast and Mark Ballast

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<v Speaker 2>are the permanent judges on the show. It's hosted by

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Irwin, and then the third judge is a rotating

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<v Speaker 2>former pro. So then after Derek Kuff was in the

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<v Speaker 2>first week, Brandon Huff is the second guest judge. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's how we're going to get to see more of

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<v Speaker 2>the current pros.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I caught a little bit of on the

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<v Speaker 1>TV the other night and my husband's like, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in let's watch this. Oh I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll be excited to listen to your new podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Stepping on Toes. That's going to be fun. Everyone's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I know that after Boy Meets World ended, you

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<v Speaker 1>decided to go to college and you studied something that

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you did this psychology. H Did you

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<v Speaker 1>choose to just completely go off camera and submerse yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in that college experience?

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<v Speaker 2>I did, but not right when Boy Meets World ended.

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<v Speaker 2>So Boy Meets World end? Did the last episode aired

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<v Speaker 2>in the year two thousand and I that's the time

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<v Speaker 2>I should have gone to school, But I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>had been I had spent seven years working full time

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<v Speaker 2>and going to school, and I so badly just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>a break, just to do nothing, to do nothing. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course I could have spent those seven years that

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<v Speaker 2>I was on Boy Meets World also learning how the

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<v Speaker 2>entertainment industry worked, and I should have known that you

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<v Speaker 2>really have to strike while the iron is hot, but

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<v Speaker 2>that just escaped me, and I was like no, And

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<v Speaker 2>I like basically took two to three years off. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when I was finally like, all right, I'm ready

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<v Speaker 2>to work again, no one cared. No one cared, No

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<v Speaker 2>one wanted to book me for anything brutal. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like who are you? Or people would let me come

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<v Speaker 2>in an audition, but then they just would want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Boy Meets World. And I could tell you

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<v Speaker 2>have no intention of treating me seriously for this role

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<v Speaker 2>at all, and so really I went to college at

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven then, Oh, and it was I was very scared.

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<v Speaker 2>I was still very recognizable, but now I felt old.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was going to school as this. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was starting in a junior college where people are

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen eighteen years old and I'm going to be next

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<v Speaker 2>to them in math class. And I was so nervous

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<v Speaker 2>about it. But I had really decided that the entertainment

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<v Speaker 2>industry gave way too much control and power over to

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<v Speaker 2>other people about whether or not I could have a job,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just wanted some sort of sense of control

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<v Speaker 2>over my own livelihood and my own future. And psychology

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<v Speaker 2>had always interested me as an actor, somebody who studies

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<v Speaker 2>people and learns mannerisms and figures out what certain tells

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<v Speaker 2>are and all of that. I was like, psychology could

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<v Speaker 2>probably be interesting, and then I fell in love with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so amazing. I secretly always wanted to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine like sitting in the classroom, though. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you've gone on the line and done it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you wouldn't think that I should have done that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, at this point, this was nearly twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>there was some online settle of it, but not a ton.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I started at a junior college. I

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<v Speaker 2>got my associate's degree at a junior college, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I transferred to kel State Fullerton and I got my

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<v Speaker 2>bachelor's degree in psychology with a minor in communication. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I was full send. I was super into it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I applied for my master's and I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a marriage and family therapist, so that that

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<v Speaker 2>was my intention. I enrolled it. I applied and got

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<v Speaker 2>accepted to Chapman University, and I was that's it, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be I'm going to do this. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to get my ten thousand hours and then I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to open my own practice. And the week I got

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<v Speaker 2>my acceptance letter to Chapman is the week I got

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<v Speaker 2>the phone call to do Girl Meets World.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it always like that?

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I know, always you want a job, vacation,

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<v Speaker 2>or make new plans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then when it rains, it pours. But how

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<v Speaker 1>did you Was it an easy decision for you?

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't an easy decision at all. At this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I had been completely off camera for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I had not been I just that wasn't my world.

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<v Speaker 2>I had been inundated with school and was so excited

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<v Speaker 2>about this new passion of mine. And I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to be just as happy being as

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<v Speaker 2>a therapist as I ever could have been staying in

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<v Speaker 2>the entertainment industry. And I had worked so hard, and

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<v Speaker 2>I also loved Chapman, and I was so excited that

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<v Speaker 2>I got accepted there because it's a really competitive it's

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<v Speaker 2>a competitive school, and so I was. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>difficult decision, but one thing that even the school because

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<v Speaker 2>then I called and talked to my counselor at Chapman

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of told her my dilemma, and even she

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<v Speaker 2>said to me, well, Danielle, Chapman is always going to

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<v Speaker 2>be here school. It doesn't matter how old you are,

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<v Speaker 2>it will always be here. It does sound like doing

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<v Speaker 2>this show, though, is not something that you'll have another

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<v Speaker 2>chance at. This feels like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, when I talked about it with my

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<v Speaker 2>mom and I talked about it with my dad, they

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<v Speaker 2>had both said the same thing, Well, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can always go back to school. And of course, I,

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<v Speaker 2>being a super type a person, thought like what if

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<v Speaker 2>I could do them both. What if I could do

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<v Speaker 2>the show and still go to school. If I only

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<v Speaker 2>take one night class, that way, I can still still

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<v Speaker 2>be inching toward it. But I found out that the

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<v Speaker 2>Girl Meets World was going to be shooting in downtown,

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<v Speaker 2>LA and Chapman is in Orange, and so even the

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<v Speaker 2>night classes, which start at seven pm, there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>for me to guarantee I'd ever be able to make

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<v Speaker 2>it to a seven pm class when you're working on

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<v Speaker 2>a show, especially as an adult, when you know the

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<v Speaker 2>hours can be a lot longer. So I ended up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, making the decision that and it was sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt sad when I chose it, But also

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like it was the right thing for me

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<v Speaker 2>to do. And then because I went and did Girl

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<v Speaker 2>Meets World, that's where I got the opportunity to direct

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's amazing. I really do want to dig

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<v Speaker 1>into that, but I do. I'm still in the psychology thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that going to school like that and

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<v Speaker 1>going deep into those studies, do you think that made

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<v Speaker 1>you a stronger actor?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe? I mean, I definitely feel like it made me

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<v Speaker 2>a stronger person and it made me. It made me

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, Yes, I do think it made me

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<v Speaker 2>a better actor because it definitely made me a better listener.

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<v Speaker 2>And being a good actor is so much about listening

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<v Speaker 2>to what is happening in the moment, listening to the

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<v Speaker 2>person you're acting with and picking up and noticing changes

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<v Speaker 2>in their delivery and how that then, of course affects

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<v Speaker 2>how you say something. So yeah, I do, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it made me a better actor. It made me a

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<v Speaker 2>better person.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it, Okay, you guys as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>adored Topanga back in the day. It is so amazing

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from the real life, grown up Danielle Fischel.

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<v Speaker 1>She exudes confidence and fun and it starts in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning when she puts on her favorite color red, just

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<v Speaker 1>like I choose comfort every day, which is why I

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<v Speaker 1>created Me by Jenny Garth with QBC. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>All of our newest collections can also be found by

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<v Speaker 1>see you there. Do you think that because you were

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<v Speaker 1>on this trajectory, you had this goal in mind, you

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<v Speaker 1>had something that you were passionate about. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that helped you sort of step into more of an

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<v Speaker 1>adult role in your own life? And then therefore, because

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you grew up in the nineties on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the industry like me, and we had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of messaging about being selfless and being the

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<v Speaker 1>trooper and being malleable and making everybody happy, just to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the peace and make everything keep going smoothly. But

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<v Speaker 1>you've turned that around now and you know, basically the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate I choose me moment of choosing to be treated

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<v Speaker 1>like an adult and having to stand up for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Even when during the production of Girl Meets World, did

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<v Speaker 1>you find that people were they wanted you to be

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<v Speaker 1>the old Danielle or they wanted you to be the

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<v Speaker 1>old Tapanga. Yes, and you had to fight for your

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<v Speaker 1>you know, position, your wisdom, your growth very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had been a real go with the flow,

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<v Speaker 2>not ruffle any feathers, be so easy to work with, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a consummate professional. And essentially what that meant

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<v Speaker 2>is that you know the producers felt like they could

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<v Speaker 2>tell me to do whatever they wanted me to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would never push back. And when we got

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<v Speaker 2>to Girl Meets World, I think I had been so

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<v Speaker 2>used to in my personal life going away from that

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<v Speaker 2>that then when we went to the set and I

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<v Speaker 2>was now a new person, an adult, a grown up

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<v Speaker 2>who had thoughts and opinions of her own and wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly shy about sharing them. Never. I also, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to make it clear, I was never like in front

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<v Speaker 2>of groups of people chastising somebody else's decisions. It was

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<v Speaker 2>more like, when something would happen that I felt uncomfortable with,

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<v Speaker 2>I would then make time to go in and talk

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<v Speaker 2>to the people who I felt uncomfortable with and say,

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<v Speaker 2>can I talk to you about something? This makes me

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<v Speaker 2>feel uncomfortable? And the response was, well, she's gone crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh she has. Have you seen what's going on with her?

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<v Speaker 2>This is gone crazy. She's got rules and boundaries about

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<v Speaker 2>the way we're allowed to talk to her and to

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<v Speaker 2>touch her and to interact with her. It's shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Yes, she's difficult, And I was. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>part of me that was like, am I am I?

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<v Speaker 2>Difficult maybe, and having to then decide okay, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess if this is difficult, the alternative doesn't make me

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I can live with myself. So I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I just have to be difficult, and and that has

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<v Speaker 2>to be okay with me. I guess I am a

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<v Speaker 2>difficult person, even though I didn't think any of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I was asking for or requesting was difficult. But

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<v Speaker 2>I did also take a step back and say, am I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, inserting myself into a conversation about something that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe doesn't involve me. Maybe, unless it's protecting a kid

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<v Speaker 2>from something, maybe I need to mind my own business

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<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't actually pertain to me. And so there

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<v Speaker 2>were times where I thought, you know, maybe I overstepped

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<v Speaker 2>a little there. But I was also I had a

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<v Speaker 2>producer credit on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is brilliant because they still tried to keep

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<v Speaker 1>you in the box, yes, for when you tried to

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<v Speaker 1>step out of the box. Yeah, naturally, instinctually you were

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<v Speaker 1>seen as difficult. Yes, how did you overcome that? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because even hearing you say, well, maybe I was difficult

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<v Speaker 1>strikes a weird chord in me, because I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just standing up for yourself and as a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what you want and what you don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>Now yeah, oh, I'm not saying that I agree with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying at the time I was tying they made

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<v Speaker 2>me feel like, gosh, maybe I am I. And of course, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>where you doubt yourself and I definitely doubted myself a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet you know, the things that kept coming up

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<v Speaker 2>were just all more of the same. It was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here's where you guys do that thing that you do

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm telling you is not cool and is not

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<v Speaker 2>the way anyone wants to be treated, but especially a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, it was it was a difficult

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<v Speaker 2>time and I felt very isolated. I felt it was

0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.959
<v Speaker 2>it was a difficult work time. And then I also

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<v Speaker 2>went through a divorce while I was on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>So it was my life at home was feeling broken

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<v Speaker 2>and isolating, and my time at work felt broken and isolating,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I mean, I it was difficult. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when the divorce happened, I went right back to that

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<v Speaker 2>therapy mindset, which was it would be so easy for

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<v Speaker 2>me to point the finger and to say this marriage

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<v Speaker 2>didn't work out because you and you and you. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's not to say that there was not a part

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<v Speaker 2>of it that of course involved my ex husband. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but if I looked at all the different relationships in

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<v Speaker 2>my life and the men I was in those relationships with,

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<v Speaker 2>they're actually pretty different people. So is it is it

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<v Speaker 2>always them? Or is there one common denominator that I

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<v Speaker 2>need to get to the bottom of What is it

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<v Speaker 2>in me that makes me choose this specific you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's a type of person or these relationships that

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<v Speaker 2>then don't work out. And I at that point kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like pulled myself off social media. I stopped, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even thinking about dating. I was like, I just need

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the bottom of me and what is

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with my picker? And then I spent probably about

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<v Speaker 2>two solid years reading every self help book and in

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<v Speaker 2>therapy and doing all the things that one can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't this the interesting journey of a woman? Yeah? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're basically telling my story too. You know, when something fractures,

0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 1>we it's automatic for us to just play the victim,

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<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't end up feeling good, no, And then

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 1>we have to pull up our big girl pants and

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<v Speaker 1>do the work. Yep. And then you you reach this

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<v Speaker 1>level of freedom because you realize you're capable of holding

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<v Speaker 1>yourself accountable in any situation, and you're able also to

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 1>step back and look at it from different perspectives, from

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<v Speaker 1>their perspective, your perspective. And I'm sure that that even

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<v Speaker 1>helped you at work, like being this new you know woman,

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>this new boss lady like that. You are very You've

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<v Speaker 1>been in the business a long time, You're very seasoned,

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>you're very intelligent. You know, you have so much going

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<v Speaker 1>for you. But to be kept in that box must

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<v Speaker 1>have been just like excruciating.

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<v Speaker 2>It was. It was excruciating, And I also I tried

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, I knew everyone was hearing about me,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I knew everyone was talking about me behind my back,

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 2>and that can that can obviously make it really hard

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 2>to even leave your dressing room because you're like, oh

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 2>my gosh. But I actually enjoyed that because I looked

0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:01.679
<v Speaker 2>at it like every interaction and I have with every

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 2>person on this set is a chance to show them

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<v Speaker 2>who I really am, not what is being said about me.

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:15.400
<v Speaker 2>And eventually people who have experiences with someone and they're

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>all positive experiences are is going to be like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why this narrative exists, that that's not my experience,

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 2>that's not at all what I and so I looked

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<v Speaker 2>at it like, my nature is to be respectful, it's

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<v Speaker 2>to be kind, it's to be professional. It's I'm always

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<v Speaker 2>going to show up on time. I'm always going to

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.120
<v Speaker 2>know my lines, I'm always going to help other people out,

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm always going to be considerate, I'm always going to

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<v Speaker 2>be friendly. And so when I do that, that's just

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 2>that's my chance to show who I am. And so

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:50.640
<v Speaker 2>that's what kept me going.

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Was this a little game, a little bit of like, yeah,

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 1>let me change this narrative one by one.

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>One person by person, situation by situation, and you know,

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 2>and showing up enough times. We did like seventy eight

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>episodes of Girl Meets World, and so you know, that's

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 2>plenty of time to make it clear on a set

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 2>the kind of actor and the kind of professional that

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>you are. And you know, I don't think there are

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.160
<v Speaker 2>many people who worked with me on that show who

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 2>would have a bad thing to say. Certainly are there

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.679
<v Speaker 2>are times, and there were experiences where someone could have

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.639
<v Speaker 2>something bad to say, but the overwhelming majority of it

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>would be people who I know would be that you know,

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>had interactions with me the way they would have interactions

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 2>with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, what do you think it took to find that

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>strength or give yourself that permission to be that woman?

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 2>That's a really good question. I think part of my

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 2>work that I was doing with myself was questioning a

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of the decisions that are maybe things you've never

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 2>actually even decided for yourself. It's just like, you know,

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>something even as simple as like whether you're a hugger

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.159
<v Speaker 2>or not. You know, like I come from a very

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 2>huggy family. My family's from Malta, which is, you know,

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>close to Italy. We're hugging people, and I remember thinking, well,

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.360
<v Speaker 2>I hug all my family, I hug my friends. Now

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I just hug people at work and that's just who

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.159
<v Speaker 2>I am. And you know, you see people. It still happens.

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>You see people, and people go to give you a hug,

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 2>and they go, I'm a hugger, and you're not even

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 2>really asking, like, well, what if that brother person is

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 2>not a hugger? Like what about them? And there were

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 2>a couple of moments where I was questioning some of

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 2>those things because we would be on set and say,

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 2>we would, you know, shoot the show until about eight

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>or nine pm, and then at the end of the show,

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 2>everybody would start hugging. And now it's going to take

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes to get out of here because you gotta

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 2>hug the camera guys, and you gotta hug craft service,

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 2>and you gotta hug the writers, and you gotta, you know,

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 2>hug all these people. And then we'd turn around and

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 2>we'd have a read the next day at eight am.

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not even been it's barely been twelve hours since

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 2>we've wrapped, if that, and now you gotta hug everybody hello.

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 2>And I at some point I was like, why am

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:17.919
<v Speaker 2>I hugging so many people all the time? I'm just

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 2>hugging everyone. And it occurred to me, does my dad

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 2>hug everyone? As the president of this company that he

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 2>works at? Does my dad walk in and go good

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 2>morning Jill, good morning Steven? And I thought, no, the

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 2>thought of that is comical to me that in any

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 2>other profession, could you imagine walking in and feeling like,

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>to start the day, I've got to walk around and

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 2>give my hugs.

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>If I know when I leave then people are gonna

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>talk badly about marathons.

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Something, they're going to think something's weird. And when I

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>start once that once, that box and that veil of

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that decision of like, I guess I never when did

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I decide that I will just hug the world at

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>all times? Or is that just something that's like ingrained

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 2>in that I've never actually even decided that. And you

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm going to decide now not to do that.

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I am so proud of you.

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, I would like I would like to change this.

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I would like for people to not hug me. I

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 2>just you can fistbump me, we can say hello, I'd

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>love to have a conversation. How's your weekend? Great, good

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>to see you.

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 2>When I'm done for the night, I want to look

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>around and say bye everyone. It's great working with you,

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and I want to leave. But so much of what

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>we're told about being on a set is you're a family.

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 2>No we're not. No, we're not.

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>This is a job.

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 2>You might be a chosen family member of mine if

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>we connect and bond that way, but you will not

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 2>tell me that you are my family. I decide that

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 2>you don't tell me who my new family is. I

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>decide who's important enough to me to be family, and

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>so I kind of just started saying, like, I don't

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>want to do this. And that was one of the

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 2>very first things that just.

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I this is so important for people to hear because

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 1>you're you're sort of by whether it's by society or

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>by your just the environment that you're in, the people

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>around you, you become something or you embody something, and

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>it you just start doing it because they're doing it

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>and because of what's expected of you, and that you'd

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>had that moment at that time, and did that work

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>to ask yourself those questions, Am I really a hugger?

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to this extent, to the extent of, you know,

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>every time I see someone at work, even though we're

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>doing season after season, how many hugs do I need

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>to give? And so, yeah, it was like that was

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>one of the case. Once I thought of that one,

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it was like, how many other decisions have I know,

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 2>actually made that. If I just questioned myself a little bit,

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I might be like, that's weird, Yeah, that is weird.

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Why why do I do that? Why? Why why do

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 2>we even feel the need to do that. I had

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>that entire conversation with myself about two pieced bathing suits.

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I was like, why why do men get to wear

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 2>long shorts and I have to wear the tiniest piece

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>of fabric because I'm near water. I don't understand it.

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>It's not a problem for them to wear shorts in

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the water. Why would it be weird for me to

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>wear shorts in the water.

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I always wonder that, Like why do men get

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 1>to wear no shirts and women have to wear shirts?

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Correct?

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Like it just it doesn't seem.

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 2>They have nipples too?

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Or who told women they have to wear high heels?

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I know, like, I know what monster did this to us?

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, wearing high heels originated because it made

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>our bodies look better. The position of your feet leaning forward,

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>your chest is out, your butt is out. It's all

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 2>about maintaining balance and so literally, heels were designed by

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 2>a man, most likely too, because it accentuated the parts

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 2>of a woman that they wanted to accentuate. And somewhere

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 2>along the line, we decided that if you are going

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>somewhere fancy, you have to wear heels.

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've decided I'm no longer a heel wearer. Oh

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I love that unless I'm getting paid Gosh, that is

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>so smart. Yeah, no, it's not even an option for me.

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Dancing with the Stars is looking for a new pro,

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 2>and since last season I came in eighth place, I'm

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 2>basically an expert.

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Easy there. I've spent my entire life in the ballroom,

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 3>So maybe you could use some help.

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm daniel Fishel.

0:32:58.160 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 3>And I'm Vouch mccofsky.

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>You have a new podcast called Stepping on Toes with

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Danielle and Val.

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Every week we're breaking down Dancing with the Stars the

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 3>next pro to find out who I'll be sharing the

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 3>ball and with next season.

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll be asking the questions every fan is thinking.

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 3>And I'll take you behind the choreography of judging, the

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 3>performances and what it takes to compete in front of millions.

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Plus We'll be joined by some very special guests.

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 3>It's time to crown a new Dancing with the Stars pro.

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 3>So let us be your guys to this once in

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 3>a lifetime opportunity.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Do you think I could win?

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Listen to Stepping on Toes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>I am so curious about you stepping behind the camera

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>as a director because that's a major sort of big choice,

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>a big I choose me career pivot. Really, Huh, when

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 1>did you start directing, first.

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Of all on Girl Meets World?

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it makes sense. Yeah. Do you think that

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>directing was a way of reclaiming something that had been

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 1>taken from you as a young actress, that sort of

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>the ability to call the shots or making sure that

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>people treated you as if you knew what you were doing.

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>It was actually I felt like it was my way

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 2>of giving back to my young Danielle self two that

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I could empower those kids the same way our directors,

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 2>because we had wonderful directors on Boy Meets World, and

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 2>they really empowered us. And I was not necessarily seeing

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.320
<v Speaker 2>that from we had great directors on Girl Meets World,

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>but they were definitely directors who had been in the

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>game for a long time, knew the shorthand wanted to

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 2>get in and wanted to get out. And you know,

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 2>we had a lot of green actors on the show.

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 2>And I remember the first moment of thinking, like, not

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>I want to direct, because honestly, we had so few

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:17.479
<v Speaker 2>women directors on Boy Meets World. I don't even think

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 2>being a director was something that I thought was even

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 2>possible for myself. It was never even anything that came

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 2>into my mind. But I do remember very specifically one

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 2>moment really early on at the beginning of the series,

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 2>where the kids were all standing in the living room

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>set and I was with them, and one of the

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 2>kids was going to open the front door, and they

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.959
<v Speaker 2>opened the front door and then turned themselves a little

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.880
<v Speaker 2>square to camera, and the director walked in and grabbed

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 2>her by the elbow and just adjusted her body out

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.320
<v Speaker 2>to camera and then walked back off and continued the scene.

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 2>And I remember seeing her face like and then they

0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>were like okay. The director's like great, all right, let's

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>move on, and walked away. And I went over to

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.800
<v Speaker 2>her and I said, are you confused why he moved

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:08.280
<v Speaker 2>you like that? She was like, yeah, I don't understand,

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I was, I don't get it. And I was like, okay,

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 2>So she had only done single camera work. It's like,

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>this is where the cameras are going to be. You

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 2>have to start paying attention to which of these four

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 2>cameras is yours? And if you're like this, what part

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>of the camera is you know which camera could even

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 2>see you? Probably none of them and so started kind

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 2>of so if you angle yourself this way, you could

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>be on this camera. You were teaching them, and in

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:37.839
<v Speaker 2>that moment my thought was, I hope, I hope I'm

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 2>not stepping on anyone's toes. And yet then immediately after

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I was like, but someone should be someone should explain this.

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 2>This is this is the one oh one of becoming

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>an actor on a Disney like this is it, this

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 2>is where the time is. I still never thought that

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 2>means I should be a director. It just I just

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, well, at least they have me to

0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.280
<v Speaker 2>if we're when things come up that they don't understand,

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I can help explo this to them. And then thankfully

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Ben asked to direct, and we had most Favored Nations contracts,

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 2>so they were like, oh, Ben's gonna direct, so we

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>have to offer it to you, and I was like yes.

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I just immediately said yes, without even knowing what I

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>was getting into. But it felt like an opportunity to

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>like say yes now and figure it out later. And

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea whether I was going to like

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 2>it or not, but I just loved it right off

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the bat.

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 1>You're clearly very good at it because you've directed over

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>fifty episodes at least. Yes, all kinds of different shows, all.

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Kinds of different shows, Disney shows, bots of Disney shows,

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Versus Lopez for NBC, Shifting Gears for ABC.

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Amazing. That is just that I think that this is

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 1>such a cool you know, kind of look at me

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>grow kind of into this incredible, multifaceted, multi talented woman.

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 1>You're a business woman, your director, your podcast hosts, you're

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>a great host of other things. You're an actress. Like

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it's it's so fun as you get older to be

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>able to like open up the onion, you know, and

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 1>just like or the rose kind of that feeling of

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 1>just like an opening and being so beautiful and proud

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 1>of all of these different parts of yourself. And that

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 1>only comes with age and with doing like personal work

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:32.880
<v Speaker 1>on yourself to get that confidence, to know where that

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 1>confidence lives in your body. Yes, yes, I mean so

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>many of us start, you know, any any industry, profession, career, whatever,

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 1>at like the entry level, and somewhere we often feel like,

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>even when we're promoted, we aren't respected at that, you know,

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>as we go climb that ladder, we're not. We're kind

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>of stuck in where we started yep, And I think

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 1>it's just really interesting that that you kind of broke

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.399
<v Speaker 1>that and I, you know, do you have any suggestions

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:09.399
<v Speaker 1>for somebody listening out there who has felt that way

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.320
<v Speaker 1>like I'm being treated like the old me and I

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 1>would like to be treated like this new version of me.

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do. I think, for one thing, honesty about

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:26.800
<v Speaker 2>where you are in your journey goes a long way.

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 2>When I first started directing, I really was able to go,

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:35.359
<v Speaker 2>what are my strengths? What are the things I bring

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 2>to the table, maybe better than anyone else does, And

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to really figure out how to express that

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 2>in a in a concise sentence like this is why

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm an asset and here are these reasons, and then

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:54.439
<v Speaker 2>what are my areas that I could choose? I could

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 2>be a sponge about and say, this person who's been

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 2>doing it for longer can teach me a lot about that,

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 2>and I would love to and not being afraid to say,

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 2>can I can I pick your brain about something? Can

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 2>I learn from you? Can I ask your opinion? Your

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 2>advice would mean a great deal to me, And so

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I would go onto a you know, being a director,

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.040
<v Speaker 2>especially now like we used to have house directors where

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 2>you'd get the whole season or maybe even two seasons. Now,

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 2>you are lucky if you get to come in for

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 2>two episodes back to back, and then you disappear and

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody else comes back in, and if you're very lucky,

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe they ask you back for one more in that season.

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.320
<v Speaker 2>So you're regularly the new person on the set, and

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>yet you're also the top of the food chain.

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 1>You're in charge of everything.

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 2>You're in charge of everything, and you're the only one

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't know how anything works. So that's a situation

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 2>where if you walk in with the ego of directors

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:53.360
<v Speaker 2>here and all the people who work for you are

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.799
<v Speaker 2>not going to feel inclined to support you to the

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 2>best of their ability. But if you walk into a

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 2>new situation and you quickly figure out you know, I

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 2>can see why you're good at what you do, and

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I respect, I want respect you, and two would love

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.560
<v Speaker 2>to learn from you. Being able to express those things

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.520
<v Speaker 2>and say those things and make everyone feel like they

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:19.439
<v Speaker 2>are a part of the same team goes so far.

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 2>And that's the kind of collaborative, positive work environment I

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 2>want to show up in every day. And it's absolutely

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 2>the kind of work environment I want to set when

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I walk onto a set, and I want to like,

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>if everyone's going to be feeling how I feel today,

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 2>We're going to feel calm, We're going to feel confident,

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to feel worthy and respected.

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:44.720
<v Speaker 1>And I make.

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Sure I try to make sure everyone there knows that

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 2>that's how I feel about them. And I feel like

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:55.879
<v Speaker 2>that's just a recipe, and if someone is not reciprocating

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 2>that to you, it's also okay to express that. You know,

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you know you're you're not maybe you're

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 2>not happy I'm here. Is there something going on? Can

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 2>we talk about it? Because I look forward to coming

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 2>to work every day, and you know, just open dialogue

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 2>and honesty goes a long way communication.

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 1>That's where your communication degree comes in.

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.399
<v Speaker 2>Exactly a minoring communication, thank god.

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:23.320
<v Speaker 1>And I remember, I think it was a GMA interview

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>that you were doing back when you were diagnosed with

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:32.799
<v Speaker 1>breast cancer and you decided to At first, you kind

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>of wanted it to keep it private, is my understanding,

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.319
<v Speaker 1>but you changed your mind and you decided to go

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 1>public with it and you which I think was very

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 1>brave and a very noble decision because I'm sure it

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>helps so many people, so many people. And you actually

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 1>said something that really perfectly aligns with the I Choose

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Me podcast when what I'm all about. You said, is

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 1>being selfless actually the virtue we think it is or

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>is it really harming us? I think it's really harming us,

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 1>this idea of putting everyone else before yourself when it

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 1>comes to my health. I'm going to be selfish. Yes,

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:15.399
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Yes, that's perfect messaging for women out

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>there and men.

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 2>It really is. I think about it now when I

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 2>think about, you know, going to the gym, which used

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 2>to be the bane of my existence, like, oh gosh,

0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I have to work out. And now you know, I

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 2>take a medication every day for my cancer medication, and

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.759
<v Speaker 2>I will take it for five years. And one of

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the side effects is that it can cause joint instability

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and muscle weakness and all these things. And so my

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 2>oncologist said, when I was you know, I knew I

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 2>was going to be taking it. I knew the side

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.760
<v Speaker 2>effects were pretty bad, and I wanted to have success

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>on it because it really drastically lowers your chance of recurrence.

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 2>And so I had a meeting with him before I

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 2>started and I said, what can I do to set

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 2>myself up for success?

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Here?

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 2>What are all of the things that in preparation for

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.880
<v Speaker 2>this medication? What can I do? And he said, well,

0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I tell this to all my patients, but not all

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 2>of them, you know, take heed. But the number one

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:20.720
<v Speaker 2>most important thing you could do would be to start

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:25.239
<v Speaker 2>working out regularly and to just make weightlifting and exercise

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 2>a part of your everyday life because that will help against,

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:32.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, counteract the joint instability and the muscle weakness.

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 2>And I heard him say that, and I thought, Okay,

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 2>then that's what I'm going to do. And I have

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 2>made that commitment to myself, and even when it's going

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 2>to mean I have to say no to someone because sorry,

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be able to do that thing

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 2>that you've just asked me to do because I have

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:53.399
<v Speaker 2>an appointment with myself at the gym, or I have

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 2>that one that's my one hour that I'm going to

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 2>get to work out for the day or for you

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 2>know whatever. I no longer feel bad, it's it's just no,

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm not willing to put myself and to put my

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 2>health on the back burner in order to keep the

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:12.800
<v Speaker 2>peace or go with the flow or be the trooper.

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm just not and you've done it. So I love

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 1>this circle story is just so inspiring. You've really just

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of embraced the whole nineties nostalgia with your podcasts

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 1>that you've done, the documentary, your book, all that. You're

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 1>very You're a very smart business person. Thank you. You

0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>know in all of those choices, what do you see

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 1>yourself choosing next? Like what is out there that you

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:43.280
<v Speaker 1>want to conquer next?

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Or well tried. The things that Dancing with the Stars

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 2>gave me was this realization. I thought for sure my

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 2>on camera work was behind me. I thought, for sure,

0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that's it. I'm a full time director. Now I'm a producer.

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna just focus on that. And I was very

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 2>happy with that. But then being on Dancing with the

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Stars and being on camera, even doing something that's so

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:12.879
<v Speaker 2>out of my comfort zone like dancing, I realized that

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm not done in front of the camera. So

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm now back open to hosting opportunities and even doing

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 2>scripted stuff. So that is kind It's funny that my

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:31.760
<v Speaker 2>next I Choose me moment might actually be a going

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 2>back to the thing I started doing when I was ten. Yeah,

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 2>but after Boy Meets World, for most of the time

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I thought that's it on cameras, just not for me.

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 2>And now I'm like, maybe it is.

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 1>That's just the beauty of staying open and staying curious.

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 1>And then, you know, your advice that you gave to

0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 1>people in their own careers was spot on about, you know,

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 1>not being afraid to ask questions and creating that kind

0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:01.720
<v Speaker 1>of group effort mentality. You know, we're all in this together.

0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I think so good for people that are listening. I

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask you before I let you go. I

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:13.520
<v Speaker 1>always ask this question, what, Danielle Fisher, what was your

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:14.880
<v Speaker 1>last I choose me moment?

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 2>My last I Choose me moment? I mean doing Dancing

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:24.360
<v Speaker 2>with the Stars was a big one. I had to

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 2>not had to, I chose to say for the next

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 2>however many weeks. I am lucky enough to be on

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:39.760
<v Speaker 2>this show. I am going to be my number one priority.

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean my kids are not a priority. Doesn't

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 2>mean that my kids are not important, but I have

0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm lucky enough to have a full time nanny, and

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm lucky enough to have a very involved husband who

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.680
<v Speaker 2>works from home. They were going to be taken care of.

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Since I had kids, other than doing Dancing with the Stars,

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I have never had time where I just was able

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 2>to be like, nothing else on the calendar today is

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 2>going to impact me except for my schedule, when my

0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 2>rehearsals are, when my shooting schedule is, when my fittings are,

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 2>when I need to get that spray tan. That's the

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.279
<v Speaker 2>number one on the call sheet for these next few

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:24.839
<v Speaker 2>weeks is mama, And that's it. I have not done.

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I had never done that, and thankfully everyone in my life,

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>including my children, and it was hard for everyone, everyone

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:37.319
<v Speaker 2>was supportive of it. It wouldn't have been possible if

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:42.719
<v Speaker 2>my husband was feeling negatively about it, or if my

0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 2>kids were. Even though they missed me. Every day that

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 2>I came home, my kids would say, Mommy, let's watch

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 2>your videos. Let's watch They wanted to watch rehearsal footage.

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:54.800
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to know what my dances were, they wanted

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:59.239
<v Speaker 2>to see my costumes. They were so excited for me

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>that it just made making a selfish choice feel so

0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 2>rewarding and fulfilling. And then I did it again for

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 2>going on the Dancing with the Stars tour. I went

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:17.280
<v Speaker 2>on a full month of tour.

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Are you out of your mind?

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Woman, I'm out of my mind. I'm out of my mind.

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>And it was amazing. I went for a full month

0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:31.400
<v Speaker 2>of I, you know, sleeping on a bus. But that

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.000
<v Speaker 2>meant I got to, you know, wake up when I

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>naturally woke up, not at five thirty am because it's

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:37.959
<v Speaker 2>time to get the kids lunches made.

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:39.960
<v Speaker 2>And so again it was.

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>You went on Dancing with the Stars tour vacation. I did?

0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I did.

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like, listen, I'm yes, I'm dancing two hours

0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:49.799
<v Speaker 2>a night and you know all, but this is a

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:52.560
<v Speaker 2>very it's a true vacation from normal life.

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I knew that I would love hearing all of this

0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 1>about you, because you're just your energy is always contagious.

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad we are not only iHeart sisters, but

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:06.440
<v Speaker 1>PUTC sisters and Dancing with the Stars sisters. Sure that

0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:10.200
<v Speaker 1>our paths are going to cross often. And I just

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I say thank you so much for being here. Would

0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.799
<v Speaker 1>you be willing to do a little bonus episode of us?

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Of course?

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, okay, very exciting. Everybody, stay tuned for that.

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Danielle, Thank you