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Speaker 1: And I'm Steve Schmidt. Recently, I was pleased to be

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Speaker 1: It is incredible to think about how little coverage approaches

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Speaker 2: the youth vote, And I want to say, first of all,

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Speaker 2: I want the youth. I love the fact that young

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Speaker 2: people are engaged. They may not be engaged in the

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Speaker 2: way that I would like them to be. I'd love

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Speaker 2: to be able to move that passion into a way

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Speaker 2: to be more supportive or really because I don't think

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Speaker 2: that they're helping their cause. Right. You say you're pro

436
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Speaker 2: Palestinian as am I. I absolutely want there to be

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Speaker 2: a Palestinian state. I'd love if there was some government

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Speaker 2: that could have a state and use their money on

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Speaker 2: their people instead of building tunnels and buying weapons. That

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Speaker 2: would be great, have a state. By the way, somebody

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Speaker 2: asked me yesterday, is Israel occupying Has Israel been occupying

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Speaker 2: Gaza for the last few decades? And I said, Israel

443
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Speaker 2: kndavacasa a long time ago. People don't even know that

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Speaker 2: basic stuff. But am I worried about it? Sure? So

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Speaker 2: this is what I sometimes say to people because everyone

446
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Speaker 2: tells me I'm planning a concert to get young people

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Speaker 2: out to vote. I'm planning this to get young people

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Speaker 2: out to vote. People over fifty are going to vote

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Speaker 2: for Joe Biden. Try to find a way to get

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Speaker 2: those people to the polls to support Joe Biden. Everybody's

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Speaker 2: got a concert idea. I've heard enough concert ideas. I

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Speaker 2: want young people to vote, but also they vote less, right,

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Speaker 2: So instead of this blind focus on young people, young people,

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Speaker 2: young people, young people. I know it may not be

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Speaker 2: as cool, but get some buses to that senior citizens

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Speaker 2: home and get those people out they vote. Focus on

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Speaker 2: getting those people to vote. A little less focus, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is sacrilege, I know, on young people voting, and

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Speaker 2: a little more focus on the people that vote. And

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Speaker 2: if you support Joe Biden, those people are supporting Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: So let's get them out to vote, young people. I

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Speaker 2: can't tell you, you know, Steve. It may be that there's

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Speaker 2: a ceasefire in Gaza, and it may be that Israel

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Speaker 2: comes to an agreement with Saudi Arabia, which is part

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Speaker 2: of what started the October seventh thing in the first place.

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Speaker 2: And it may be that somebody in an Arab group

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Speaker 2: takes over in Gaza and helps move that thing forward

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Speaker 2: all by November. That's very possible. I don't know, you

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Speaker 2: don't know. We don't know the answer to that yet.

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Speaker 2: And in that case, things might die down a little bit.

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Speaker 2: If that's what happens. There may be protests or whatever,

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Speaker 2: but that very well might happen. That is my hope.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Tony Blink and the Secretary of State can't

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Speaker 2: be doing more diplomacy in these countries and making a

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Speaker 2: bigger effort. He himself has said Hamas needs to accept

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Speaker 2: the ceasefire. If that ceasefire is accepted and then we're

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Speaker 2: able to move on in some way, that would be

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Speaker 2: very helpful.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a very specific John Kennedy's speech, which

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Speaker 1: is his last major address at Amherst University, celebrating Robert

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Speaker 1: Frost the role of the artist and a society, and

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Speaker 1: he begins by talking about that the University of the

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Speaker 1: College of Amaherst is of the United States, as Robert

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Speaker 1: Frost was of the United States, and what is the

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Speaker 1: purpose of a of a great institution of higher learning,

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Speaker 1: but for a great national purpose. There's been a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of exaggeration in the recent years by MAGA, by

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Speaker 1: this grievance fueled fascist movement, and one of the whipping

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Speaker 1: boys has been this concept of wokeism, which I've been

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Speaker 1: dismissive of. But the presence of a very radical ideology

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Speaker 1: on these campuses skewed towards the elite campus is self

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Speaker 1: evident in this In this in this moment, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it particularly matters that there's an explosion of radicalism

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Speaker 1: on an American college campus at any particular moment in time.

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Speaker 1: We've had them before except for one thing, and that

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Speaker 1: is the anti Semitism in the context of Israel losing

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Speaker 1: this war. And I think that's not talked enough about

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Speaker 1: when we talk about net in Yahoo. This is the

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Speaker 1: worst prime minister in the history of Israel, a profoundly

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Speaker 1: incompetent man, an a moral man, the gravest intelligence disaster

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Speaker 1: in the history of the state of Israel. Complete unpreparedness,

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Speaker 1: complete incompetency on the response, complete incompetency with the war

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Speaker 1: fighting strategy, complete incompetency with the causes belli and its justness,

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Speaker 1: Complete incompetency with the execution of the campaign in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: which in the end has turned world opinion against Israel,

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Speaker 1: has left six combat battalions alive in Gaza, and has

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Speaker 1: ignited or given the air space necessary for that flame

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Speaker 1: of antisemity on which I believe is enduring to light again.

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Speaker 1: And in the context of saying never again. In the

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Speaker 1: lifespan of the Holocaust, least than twenty five years from L.

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Speaker 1: Viz El's speech about indifference, we got American college kids

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Speaker 1: at Columbia occupying buildings, declaring Intifada, Yeah, celebrating Hamas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the question I think, Steve, part of it is,

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Speaker 2: what's the endgame? Are these schools going to divest of

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Speaker 2: their investments? Why? And and won't influence? Is?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 2: Even if they do, what is it that you want?

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Speaker 2: You know, we've let this stuff go for so long,

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Speaker 2: where you know, the protests and people's driveways right of

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Speaker 2: like an elected official or in front of somebody's house,

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Speaker 2: and all it's protected speech. Blah blah blah blah blah. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. These things should have been policed a long

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Speaker 2: time ago. I think it's totally wrong. We had it

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Speaker 2: here in my neighborhood, at my neighbor's house. He was

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Speaker 2: an elected official. These people in marching his driveway about

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Speaker 2: housing or something, and they tell his wife she was

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Speaker 2: a fat pig, right, And then you know, you read

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Speaker 2: an editorial in the newspaper saying that's fine, okay, great.

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Speaker 2: Is that the way that we're so once you start

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Speaker 2: saying okay, that's great, you could be in the person's

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Speaker 2: driveway yelling at them. Why can't you be on the

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Speaker 2: campus yelling at everybody? Why can't you? I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is the way it goes. And so now you have

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Speaker 2: this situation where we've just let some things go, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not listen. If your argument to me is, now,

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Speaker 2: who's done a terrible job on the Palestinian territories, he

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Speaker 2: really didn't want there to be two states, you know,

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Speaker 2: all along? And so okay, great, I agree with you,

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Speaker 2: that's true, right, So I sympathize. But if your argument

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Speaker 2: is that there should be no Israel, that's not an

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Speaker 2: argument that I sympathize with. That is a ridiculous argument. So,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I think in the news coverage of it,

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Speaker 2: a lot of this just gets lost, right, it's, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, these people are all out there and they're protesting,

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Speaker 2: and you know, isn't this amazing? And it's not amazing.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it is not amazing. I appreciate the passion,

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Speaker 2: but it's some of it is really wrong.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you have a handle when you're

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Speaker 1: watching the news about what's happening anywhere on these campuses?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, peaceful protest is great. I will tell you that

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Speaker 2: I myself went up to Columbia the other day, Steve,

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Speaker 2: because I don't like to take everybody's word for everything.

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Speaker 2: And I walked up, I walk by the way, I

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Speaker 2: recommend it all the way to the end, and I

555
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Speaker 2: went right up to the door and they said you

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Speaker 2: have to have a campus I date, and so I

557
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Speaker 2: did try to sneak it. So I went around the side.

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Speaker 2: There's a security guard every entrance. There was one guy

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Speaker 2: who was sleeping, and he was old and he was sleeping,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, I could just run past this

561
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Speaker 2: guy and get it. But there were a lot of

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Speaker 2: police and a lot of reporters outside of the campus.

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Speaker 2: So I said, okay, I'm going to let this one go.

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Speaker 2: So I think go and I could see a little bit,

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Speaker 2: but I'm also near UCLA. I will go over to

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Speaker 2: UCLA at some point because I don't like to take

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Speaker 2: everybody's word for everything, and I want to see what's

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Speaker 2: going on. I want to be able to talk to

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Speaker 2: people myself and find out really what's going on. I

570
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Speaker 2: don't the news reporting isn't great. I do like Catherine

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Speaker 2: Rossman in the New York Times, but the reporting is

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Speaker 2: not great on this issue. When I watch on television, Steve,

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Speaker 2: I've had my own issues with some of these cable

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Speaker 2: news networks and whether they're apporting the truth, and so

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Speaker 2: I have a very hard time sometimes with these cable

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Speaker 2: news centers.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a handle on what happened in UCLA?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I because a week ago they were saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: Ucla is not as bad as USC right, and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden the Ucla thing turned around on

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Speaker 2: a diet. There's a whole thing about how the UC schools,

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Speaker 2: the University California schools are not having the same issue

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Speaker 2: as all these private institutions, and then all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden in term so, I don't know what. I really

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Speaker 2: don't know aside from the news coverage of things that

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Speaker 2: have happened the last couple of nights. But I'll go

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Speaker 2: over there myself. My dentist is there, literally, so I

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Speaker 2: will go over there and see what I can see.

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Speaker 1: And if you could wave a magic wand in the

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Speaker 1: oval office, right, what does the president need to do here? Right?

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Speaker 1: Does he need to lean back? Does he need to

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Speaker 1: lean forward? Is he rocksimate to the proverbial cup on

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Speaker 1: the green with regard to what he said yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, let me let me say this. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that I have the answer, but I do

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Speaker 2: you have an answer on something else, which if somebody

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Speaker 2: called me recently. You know, I run this big group

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Speaker 2: of entertainment industry leaders that's a voluntary group. And one

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Speaker 2: of the people in the group called me recently. I

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Speaker 2: never talked to her one on one, and she's a

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Speaker 2: well known person in the entertainment industry. And she said,

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Speaker 2: she's on the other side. She doesn't agree with me

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Speaker 2: on the Israel stuff, right, And she said, listen, I

604
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Speaker 2: had this friend who you know, worked and quit working

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Speaker 2: at the States Department, and the president's doing this absolutely terrible,

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Speaker 2: terrible job, and we've got to go talk to him

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Speaker 2: and tell him that, you know, he shouldn't be supporting Israel.

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Speaker 2: And she goes to this whole thing, and I said,

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Speaker 2: first of all, I don't. I'm not. We don't share

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Speaker 2: the same point of view. But second of all, if

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Speaker 2: I could get you in there to have that conversation,

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Speaker 2: I would. I don't. It's great for people to hear

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Speaker 2: different points of view. My point of view isn't always right.

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Speaker 2: The president is not going to want to hear from

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Speaker 2: you one decision. He's been doing this for several decades.

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Speaker 2: You're not telling him anything that he doesn't know. This

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Speaker 2: is how he feels about the issue. He is pro Israel.

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Speaker 2: He obviously does not like net Nyahu. That's not a secret.

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Speaker 2: N Yaho doesn't like him.

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Speaker 1: When you talk to this person her point of view,

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Speaker 1: and you say that what is her point of view,

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Speaker 1: what would she like to see happen?

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Speaker 2: The point of view that she had was that net

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Speaker 2: Yahoo I swear wants to take over Gaza for Israel

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Speaker 2: and have Israel control Gaza forever. And that's really been

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Speaker 2: the whole modus operanda all along. But what I want

627
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Speaker 2: to say to people is, and I do say this

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Speaker 2: to people, is the President's been doing this since the

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. He has relationships with everybody all over the world.

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Speaker 2: He may not agree with you, but this is how

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Speaker 2: he feels. None of us are going to change his

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Speaker 2: mind on that. Whether you're more pro Israeli than he is,

633
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Speaker 2: whether you're more pro Palestinian than he is. He obviously

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Speaker 2: wants a two state solution. He has been a friend

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Speaker 2: of Israel for a long time and he's going to

636
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Speaker 2: continue to be That's the truth. So you know, in

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Speaker 2: terms of the college campus stuff, Steve that you brought

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Speaker 2: up in house, should the president handle it? The President

639
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Speaker 2: is a pretty moderate guy, right I'm sure he is

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Speaker 2: great with people protesting the same thing that you said,

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Speaker 2: but the idea that people are going to be supporting

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Speaker 2: the intafod or against Israel's existence, that stuff's not happening.

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Speaker 2: And the president is an adult, by the way, thank god,

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Speaker 2: because if it wasn't this president in the White House

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Speaker 2: right now, and we end up with Donald Trump while

646
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Speaker 2: these college protests are going on, it could be a

647
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Speaker 2: very bad scene. And I know sometimes people prefer law

648
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Speaker 2: and order to a certain extent, but it's also chaos,

649
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Speaker 2: right And if you end up with a Donald Trump

650
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Speaker 2: and college campus protests and his control over some of

651
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Speaker 2: these groups that he seems to think that he's going

652
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Speaker 2: to have, it's going to end up very ugly.

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Speaker 1: I am, by word, indeed, I think pretty committed to

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Speaker 1: keeping Donald Trump out of power, out of office, but

655
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Speaker 1: I am worried about his about his return, And so

656
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Speaker 1: people ask me all the time, do I think Biden

657
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Speaker 1: will win? Been out of the country, A lot of

658
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: people ask me, And what I say to them is

659
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: always the same thing. I say. My heart tells me

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Speaker 1: that that President Biden will win. My head tells me

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Speaker 1: something else. So I look at the world right now,

662
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Speaker 1: and I look at the war in Gaza, and I

663
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: think Israel's losing the war. I think that Biden's losing

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Speaker 1: the election. If it were tomorrow, Trump would would be

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Speaker 1: the president. But it's one hundred and eighty seven days away,

666
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Speaker 1: so a lot of time on the clock. And I

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Speaker 1: look at the trial. I evaluate these trials in their

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Speaker 1: in their aggregate now as a as a disaster. If

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Speaker 1: Trump does win, history will be very, very brutally unkind

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Speaker 1: to to these trials and to the discretion of the

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Speaker 1: prosecutors and a lot of their conduct.

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Speaker 2: I suspect.

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Speaker 1: But how do you see that.

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Speaker 2: I tell people in our entertainment group, Steven outside of it,

675
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: the same thing, which is where everybody has anxiety about

676
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Speaker 2: this election. Right, the States are enormous in this election.

677
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Speaker 2: The best thing that you could do is do something.

678
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: Don't sit at home and watch the news all day,

679
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: don't focus on your Twitter feed. Do something. If you

680
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: do something, you'll feel like you have some sense of control.

681
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Speaker 2: So I know you. You're in the arena all the time,

682
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Speaker 2: right you. You've worked on many of these things, and

683
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Speaker 2: you know. So what I say to people is what matters.

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Speaker 2: What matters here is not California. What matters is not

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Speaker 2: New York. What matters are Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and then

686
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Speaker 2: from there Arizona, Nevada. You know what the swing states are.

687
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Speaker 2: Do something, Get people out to vote, give money, knock

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Speaker 2: on doors. Michigan has early in person voting steve for

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Speaker 2: the first time this year. Where it starts, I think,

690
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: like October twenty sixth, go drive people to the polls

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Speaker 2: because every vote is going to matter in those states.

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Speaker 2: Do that thing. Do something. But if you sit here

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Speaker 2: and just watch TV, you may never get up from

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Speaker 2: your couch. You may be so scared. I am more

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Speaker 2: optimistic now than I was, let's say, six months ago.

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Speaker 2: I feel that, you know, the Democratic the Biden campaign

697
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Speaker 2: is super well organized. They're getting people out into the states.

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Speaker 2: We seem to do better as Democrats, and every election lately,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't mean we will in twenty four but the

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Speaker 2: polling seems to show us not doing as well, and

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Speaker 2: then we do better. Tom Swase in Long Island, for example,

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Speaker 2: was a recent example of that. And so I feel

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Speaker 2: good about the Democratic Party's ground game and what we're

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Speaker 2: able to do in these swing states. But I would

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Speaker 2: say to people if you have anxiety, go do something, really,

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Speaker 2: do anything. Make phone calls that will be helpful to

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Speaker 2: you and your own mental health.

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Speaker 1: Would we when we sit around at bs and talk

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Speaker 1: about this stuff, you know, I just I think about

710
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: I how this collection in a box, you know, somewhere

711
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: in storage now, right if all these old time magazines

712
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Speaker 1: and life magazines, we go back to the nineteen thirties

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Speaker 1: and have some of them at the house, and I

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Speaker 1: love looking at them, like opening up a time capsule.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you look at this era where you know,

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Speaker 1: there's so much crisis in journalism, such a collapse of

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Speaker 1: trust between the American people and the media. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Time magazine, which you know, I think has become rather

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Speaker 1: celebrified and fatuous. All of a sudden, like ka boom, Right,

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Speaker 1: Time Magazine is back, right a cover for the Ages

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason. Right, there was no prohibitions that that

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Speaker 1: that that prevented anybody else from writing it. But finally,

723
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Speaker 1: at long last, an American journalist goes and has a

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Speaker 1: conversation with Donald Trump about what the plans are, and

725
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Speaker 1: we find out it's going to deploy the military. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have mass importation camps that in most countries would

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Speaker 1: be called concentration camps filled with millions of people that

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Speaker 1: will be shipped out of the country. We'll have one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand soldiers plus in America's cities and tanks and

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Speaker 1: armored personnel carriers. The government will be able to monitor

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Speaker 1: women's pregnancies. I was on scripts News last night and

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Speaker 1: and the question they asked was, well, what do you

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Speaker 1: think they mean by monitor women's pregnancies? And I said, well,

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Speaker 1: good question. But I suppose what that means is this.

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Speaker 2: That?

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Speaker 1: And tell me if you disagree with this, if you

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Speaker 1: interpret this that the same way, or I'm full of shit, right,

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Speaker 1: But what I think it means is that all pregnant

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Speaker 1: women are potential suspects for the crime of abortion, which

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Speaker 1: has to be evaluated if there's a loss of that

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Speaker 1: pregnancy at any point during it, that there's always the

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Speaker 1: possibility in the woman's heart of a malign intent towards

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Speaker 1: her unborn child. Thus we have to monitor all the

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Speaker 1: way through. And I really don't understand intellectually, once you

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Speaker 1: get there, why you're not that honitoring the birth control

746
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Speaker 1: right and and other things and other things as well.

747
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Speaker 1: But but but he's for that he's locking up political

748
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Speaker 1: opponents and prisoners, and the and the and the list

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Speaker 1: goes on.

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Speaker 2: But are you are you going to get locked up? Steve? Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible to be asked the question, right, It's incredible

752
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Speaker 1: to be asked the question. I'll tell you this, I Well,

753
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Speaker 1: it's incredible to be asked the question. It's incredible to

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Speaker 1: be you know, to consider the question. But you can't

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Speaker 1: be intimidated by it, right at all. But but but

756
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Speaker 1: what I think is amazing is when you get the question,

757
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Speaker 1: which is basically a version of well, what do you

758
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Speaker 1: think he means by that? And I said, I think

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Speaker 1: my answer is I suppose he means he wants to

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Speaker 1: open up concentration camps. And what's the what? What can

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Speaker 1: you explain that years into this any kind of take

762
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Speaker 1: on the you know, what I would say is the

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Speaker 1: what do you think he means by that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I would say, you know, when you talked about

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Speaker 2: groups that he's been he's being very clear at this point.

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Speaker 2: In other words, if Donald Trump becomes president in twenty sixteen, Famously,

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Speaker 2: the night of the election, they never thought they were

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Speaker 2: going to win until the results came in, right, They

769
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: weren't planning a presidency. Everyone was planning to send out

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Speaker 2: their resumes in the early wear for their next jobs.

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Speaker 2: They've been planning this one for years, so they're ready

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Speaker 2: to go. And when we talk about who might get

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Speaker 2: locked up, and we talk about people, a woman who's

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Speaker 2: had a miscarriage, for example, but also the doctor, right

775
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Speaker 2: we talk about journalists. Journalists would get locked up in

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Speaker 2: the circumstance. And they will make this happen, I have

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Speaker 2: no doubt about it. They believe that they are going

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Speaker 2: to have the Justice Department on their side. They're going

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Speaker 2: to be changing a lot of the laws in this country.

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Speaker 2: You won't We've even talked about, not today, but the

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Speaker 2: Comstack Act, which would allow for birth control to be

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Speaker 2: sold through the mail. You will not be able to

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Speaker 2: get birth control. They are very clear. The Heritage Foundation

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Speaker 2: is a right wing organization that's made very clear how

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Speaker 2: they want the government to work in a Trump presidency.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is that people need to remember

787
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Speaker 2: that if Donald Trump is out of his term ends.

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Speaker 2: Somebody said to the other day, we're talking about twenty

789
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Speaker 2: twenty eight presidential candidate Steve that's how far down the

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Speaker 2: road we were. And We're talking about all these great

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Speaker 2: people like Retchen Whitmer and Wes Moore, and they said

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Speaker 2: to me, what's the difference about twenty twenty eight. There's

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Speaker 2: not going to be a democracy in twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: So what would be the difference. In other words, if

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump becomes president next year, do you think he's

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Speaker 2: leaving office Because he'll have committed four hundred more crimes

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Speaker 2: and would be prosecuted again the minute he left office,

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Speaker 2: you'd think that he's leaving office in twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Of course he's not. Right, So you know, do we

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Speaker 2: want a king in this country? And I think people

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00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: need to really think about that. But more Steve, I'm

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Speaker 2: just gonna say one more quick thing. When George Washington

803
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Speaker 2: let those troops across the Delaware, right they were going

804
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Speaker 2: to fight those German soldiers across the Delaware. They weren't

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Speaker 2: talking about climate change. They weren't talking about the minimum weight,

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Speaker 2: which it was beating that king and that government and

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Speaker 2: having self government and having a democracy in the United States.

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Speaker 2: We don't have to go across the Delaware in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the night, in the freezing cold, with snipers

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Speaker 2: on the other side. We have to get on zoom,

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Speaker 2: go knock on doors, go give some money. And that's

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Speaker 2: how we're going to save democracy in just the same way.

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Speaker 1: And if we were gonna have a king, why the

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Speaker 1: fuck would we pick Donald Trump, which seemed like a

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Speaker 1: perfect wace to leave it all right, Steve, good talking

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Speaker 1: to you. I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning and

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Speaker 1: I invite you to join. Subscribe on our sub stack,

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