1 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor Joy hard and Bradford, 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. While I hope you 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is 9 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: not meant to be a substitute for a relationship with 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much 11 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: for joining me for session three twenty eight of the 12 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. We'll get right into our 13 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: conversation after a word from our sponsors. The reviews for 14 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: Sisterhood Heels are rolling in and I simply cannot stop 15 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: smiling at the hot girl books on Instagram shared finish 16 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: reading this warm hug of a book last night and 17 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: while it made me once a hug my sister friends 18 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: so bad, Sisterhood Heels is a beautiful guide on how 19 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: we as black women can use our community and friends 20 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: to aid in our healing process. 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I'm joined today by award winning political 31 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: journalist Aaron Haynes. Erin is the founding mother and editor 32 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: at large of The Nineteenth, a nonprofit independent newsroom focused 33 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: on the intersection of gender politics and policy. She's also 34 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: an MSNBC contributor and former writer for The Associated Press, 35 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: The Washington Posts, The Los Angeles Times, and Orlando Sentinel. 36 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: In our discussion today, Aaron breaks down what issues are 37 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: on the ballot for Black women voters in twenty twenty four, 38 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: how to tell if a news source is trustworthy in 39 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: the age of misinformation, and ways to stay informed while 40 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: protecting your mental health and wellness. If something resonates with 41 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: you while enjoying our conversation, Please share it with us 42 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: on social media using the hashtag tbg in session, or 43 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: join us over in the system circle. To talk more 44 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: about the episode, you can join us at community dot 45 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: therapy for Blackgirls dot com. Here's our conversation. Thank you 46 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: so much for joining us today. 47 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: Erin, Thanks doctor jord for having me. 48 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, very excited to chat with you. You are one 49 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: of my favorite journalists. I'm very, very very appreciative you 50 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: took some time to chat with us today. 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: Well, Therapy and Black Girls are my two favorite comicies. 52 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 3: Right, how can you go wrong really with it? So 53 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: you're award winning political journalists. You are an MSNBC contributor. 54 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: You've been at the Washington Post, Associated Press, and now 55 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: at the Nineteenth. Can you talk to us a little 56 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: bit about how you got started in your career? 57 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 58 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 4: Sure, I would love to. Thinking back over my career, 59 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 4: let's see, so I'm not one of those people. Let 60 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: me just start off by saying you grew up with 61 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 4: inking their veins or thinking they were going to be 62 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: a journalist when they were little. But I did always 63 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 4: have kind of a natural curiosity and I have a 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: lot of black women, frankly role models when I was 65 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: growing up on broadcast television. So I remember when I 66 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 4: was growing up, we weren't allowed to watch TV at 67 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 4: dinner time unless we were watching the local news, and 68 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: so that was really my first introduction to news and 69 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 4: just the idea that black people, that black women could. 70 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: Do the news. 71 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 4: So fast forward, I get to college, I need to 72 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 4: pick a major, write because my mom's like, you need 73 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: to get a job. 74 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 2: So I'm thinking about what. 75 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 4: I might be good at, how those skills might be 76 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: transferable to a career, and writing and being nosy equals journalism, right. 77 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: The idea that you actually get paid to call somebody 78 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: or go somewhere, ask people questions that they are supposed 79 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 4: to answer, and then tell everybody else what you learned 80 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: is really something that I fell in love with pretty 81 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 4: much from the beginning. And so my very very first 82 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 4: job in newspapers was actually at a black newspaper in Atlanta. 83 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: I shout out to the Atlanta. 84 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: Daily World, where I wrote every single week about black 85 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 4: people doing everything from politics to small businesses and just 86 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 4: regular ordinary black folks and black life, which taught me 87 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: something very early on in my career, which is that 88 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 4: black people's stories matter, that they are important. They were 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 4: on the front page of the newspaper that I wrote for, 90 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: and so I just knew that I was never going 91 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 4: to really argue with anybody about why our stories should 92 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 4: be told, about why our stories were relevant. 93 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: Really just the idea that writing about the. 94 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: Bad stuff was not all there was to say about 95 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 4: black people, about Black Americans. So that's how I kind 96 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: of got started, and then I went on to work 97 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: at places like the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post. 98 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: I spent the book on my career at the Associated. 99 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 4: Press, where until I had the role that I have now, 100 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: I had most recently been the Race and Ethnicity a 101 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 4: national writer for the AP, which basically meant that I 102 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 4: could write about any and everything we're related to race 103 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: that I wanted to for a national audience. 104 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 2: Which was pretty much my dream job. 105 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 4: I'd been an intern at the AP almost twenty years earlier, 106 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 4: and it was the job that I knew that I 107 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: wanted because I wanted to tell stories about my people, 108 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 4: and I wanted to really just build a body of 109 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: work that left a record of who and where we 110 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 4: have been as a people in this democracy, and so 111 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 4: I was very proud to do that job. But then 112 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 4: we get to twenty nineteen, and you have this super 113 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 4: diverse field of candidates, six women running for office, multiple 114 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 4: people of color running for office, and yet the way 115 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: that we were talking about our political journalism was just 116 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 4: still too white and too male. And it was fine 117 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 4: for me to write those stories right individually, but I 118 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 4: really felt like as an organization, as an industry, that 119 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 4: we should be saying that race and gender are really 120 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: the story of our time and the unfinished business of 121 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: our democracy. And so when the idea for the nineteenth 122 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 4: came along, I jumped at it because for me, the 123 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 4: risk was not in starting this new venture, it was 124 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 4: really in daing and hoping that these institutions that have 125 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 4: not really changed nearly enough, we're going to make the 126 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 4: change necessary to really reflect who is in our quickly 127 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 4: shifting democracy right now. 128 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: So you mentioned the hometown news heroes. Did you grow 129 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: up in Atlanta? 130 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: I did. 131 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 4: I hope you can tell I don't drink enough sweet 132 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: tea to keep my accent fresh, but I am from Atlanta. 133 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 4: My mom still lives on the South side of the city. 134 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: And yeah, born at Grady Hospital, and definitely still have roots. 135 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: In East Atlanta. So very proud of where I come from. 136 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 4: I think there's not a person that knows me that 137 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: does not find that out within. 138 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: The first five minutes of meeting me. I'm going to 139 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: work in some sort of Atlanta reference. 140 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: So who were some of the local news folks that 141 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: you grew up watching that kind of were your heroes 142 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: in the field. 143 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, so my Atlanta peeps will know this name. 144 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 4: Monka Kaufman was my hero when I was growing up. 145 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: She was so beautiful, she looked like me. She was 146 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 4: this brownskin lady who was very smart, and she was 147 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 4: telling me what happened in my city every single day. 148 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 4: And she had authority, and she was charming and she 149 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 4: was glamorous. And so this is what I thought journalism was. 150 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: I mean, she was journalism for me when I was 151 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 4: growing up, and she was the news for me. In fact, 152 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 4: it wasn't really until I traveled. I went to journalism 153 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 4: conferences when I was in college, and I would look 154 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 4: to see what their local television broadcast would be, and 155 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: I'd be like, I can't believe there are two black 156 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: people in the anchor chair telling me what's going on? 157 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 4: There should be at least one black woman telling me 158 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 4: what the news is. It just really struck me how 159 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 4: fortunate I was to have that example, to really plant 160 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 4: that seed in my mind that this was a career 161 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 4: that I could do. 162 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: I mean Atlanta now, so I'm very familiar with the 163 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: Atlanta newsbooks. 164 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: My goodness. 165 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: I mean, Jovita Moore was one of my She Rose 166 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: I miss her so so so dearly. But Joscelyn Dorsey, 167 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: Karen Greer, Blaine Alexander. I mean, there are so many 168 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 4: black women on air in Atlanta, and I do think 169 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: that all of them are just such an inspiration to 170 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 4: so many people, but especially to the black girls who 171 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: may be trying to figure out what they want to 172 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 4: do with their lives and can really look to those 173 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 4: examples as somebody who they can maybe fall in their 174 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 4: footsteps one day. 175 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So, Aaron, I'm gonna do a little bit 176 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: of standing for just a moment. So two of my 177 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: favorite written pieces, not just from the nineteenth but in 178 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: recent history are the Summer of Black Women that you 179 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: recently wrote, and a piece about justice Katanji Brown Jackson's 180 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: Friends from College, which I thought was so beautiful, and 181 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: it just really feels like the pieces that come out 182 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: from the Nineteenth feel like pieces that you just don't 183 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: really see anywhere else. Can you talk a little bit 184 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: about how you all do your newsroom and you're publishing 185 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: very different than we might find in other places. 186 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 187 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, thank you for saying that about 188 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: both of those pieces and about the Nineteenth, because that 189 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 4: is exactly what we are striving to do. We're trying 190 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 4: to do news that is distinctive, but also it is 191 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 4: seeing and hearing from people who have not really been 192 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 4: previously seen or heard in our democracy. For me, that 193 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 4: especially includes black women, who we know are the backbone 194 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: of this democracy, who we know are on the front 195 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 4: lines of what it is to push for progress and 196 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 4: fairness and equality in our country. So thank you for 197 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 4: saying that. Those are two of my favorite things that 198 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: I've ever written to, by the way, So thank you. 199 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: It was such a joy to talk to Justice Jackson's 200 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 4: sister circle. That story came from me at a time 201 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 4: where we're coming out of the pandemic and I was 202 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 4: actually thinking a lot just about my group chat and 203 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: the group chats of all of my friends and just 204 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 4: how sustaining those are. And even before the group chat 205 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 4: was a thing just like that sister circle that you 206 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: had that was so supportive through your good times, through 207 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 4: your bad times. 208 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: The core group of. 209 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: Women black women that you could just lean on to 210 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: laugh and cry and celebrate with. I mean, that's everything, right, 211 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 4: part of what helps us to get to where we 212 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 4: are and what we do. And so to talk to 213 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 4: them and to watch them cheering her on and for 214 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: them to feel like her success was their success was 215 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 4: just a deeply rewarding story to tell. 216 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: So thank you for that. 217 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: And then, man, some of the black women, I mean, 218 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 4: how can you not see that based on what we 219 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 4: just came through. I mean, I just had a couple 220 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 4: of girlfriends that went to see Beyonce last night in Houston. 221 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: I mean, like it is giving us so much life. 222 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: I just can't tell you how many Black women I 223 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 4: talk to coming into this year who were so exhausted, 224 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 4: but this summer just re energized us through the examples 225 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 4: of people like Beyonce and Cocoa Golf at the US Open, 226 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 4: and Simone Biles and Chicai Richardson and just like so 227 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 4: many examples of black women just being excellent and overcoming 228 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: and coming back from and so again, I think we 229 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 4: do tend to see these victories as. 230 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 2: Collective, and so that does energize us. 231 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: So at the nineteenth we are really bringing our lived 232 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 4: experiences to our journalism. And I think see that reflected 233 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 4: me as a black woman. I can't write about black 234 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 4: women enough as the main story, right, which is the 235 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 4: difference between what I'm doing now versus what I've done 236 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 4: throughout my career. Writing about black women is to the 237 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 4: side issue or not the main issue. But I think 238 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 4: you see that with so many of my colleagues who 239 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: are writing about Latinas, who are writing about the Asian 240 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: American community, who are writing about the LGBTQ community, which 241 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 4: is under attack right now, for being honest, really writing 242 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 4: about the existential threat to their dignity, their humanity. That's 243 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 4: something that I don't see really centered in the way 244 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 4: that we do that here the disability community. We have 245 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: people who have that perspective, who are able to really 246 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: shine a light on the unique challenges that people in 247 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 4: our community are facing, who are grappling with that. And 248 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 4: even if it's not our direct experience, if there's somebody 249 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: in our lives that maybe plants that seed for us 250 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 4: older Americans and how what they may care about in 251 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 4: terms of our democracy and how that may motivate them 252 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 4: to participate or not participate is really important. So yeah, 253 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 4: I really do love our approach, which is still very 254 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 4: much a work in progress. We're only three years old, 255 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: but if you have ever seen our logo, we're the 256 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 4: nineteenth name for the nineteenth Amendment, which guaranteed some but 257 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 4: not all women access to the ballot box. We know 258 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 4: that black women were thrown under the bus, and so 259 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 4: that asterisk is really largely for them, but also for latinas, 260 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 4: for Asian American women who were barred from participation at 261 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 4: the same time around language barriers, Native American women who 262 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 4: weren't even recognized as citizens in nineteen twenty when the 263 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 4: Nineteenth Amendment passed, And so the asterisk is really kind 264 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 4: of also represents like a north star for us in 265 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: terms of who remains ignored invisible in our democracy and 266 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 4: how we can continue to bring them into the conversation 267 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 4: so that we empower them to be civically engaged in 268 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 4: our country. 269 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that, Aaron. So you all 270 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: started in an employee election year, and we are rolling 271 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: into yet another, I think very important election year. So 272 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: can you tell us one what dates are important for 273 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: us to pay attention to as we roll into a 274 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: new election cycle, and what exactly is going to be 275 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: on the ballot in twenty twenty four. 276 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I guess I would say a few things. 277 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 4: One, we're still four hundred and something days away from 278 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 4: the election, so we still have a long way to 279 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 4: go people, and a lot can happen between now and 280 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: next November. The dates that I would encourage people to 281 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: pay attention to be empowered. Know when the deadlines are 282 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: for you to register to vote. Make sure that if 283 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 4: you are somebody who has been registered in the past, 284 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 4: that you are still on the rolls, that your voter 285 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: registration information is up to date. Know where your precinct 286 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 4: is so that you can vote or if you're not 287 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 4: going to vote in person, know what the process is. 288 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,359 Speaker 4: What is the deadline for you to get an absentee 289 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: ballot so that you can still participate. These are important 290 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 4: dates to know and mostly should be available on your 291 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 4: Secretary of State's website wherever you live. So I would 292 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: encourage people don't wait to find that information out, find 293 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 4: that information out as soon as you possibly can pay attention, 294 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 4: and also share that information with the people in your life. 295 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: We know, especially as black women, even. 296 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: If we are not organizers in an official capacity, we 297 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 4: absolutely have that phone tree or even or just casually 298 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: mentioned and girl, are you registered? Girl, have you already voted? 299 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 4: When are you going to go and vote? I mean, 300 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: I remember my mom doing that on election day, every 301 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: single person that call the house, like the first words 302 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 4: out of her mouth after hello or hey, did you rose? 303 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: And she was serious. So yeah, I would encourage that 304 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: for sure. 305 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: And as far as what's on the ballot, I mean, look, one, 306 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 4: let me just say that all issues are women's issues 307 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 4: if you just ask women about them. We don't just 308 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 4: care although they are important issues. We don't just care 309 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: about the pay gap. We don't just care about abortion. 310 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: We care about faith, We care about education, we care 311 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: about the economy, we care about the Supreme Court, right, 312 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 4: we care about unemployment. Ask us anything we have an 313 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 4: opinion about that too. Not to mention the fact that 314 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: we are more than half the population and more than 315 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 4: half of the electorate, So why shouldn't we be weighing 316 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: in on issues? Of this democracy as the majority of 317 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 4: this country, right, So that's number one, number two as 318 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: far as what I personally think is going to be 319 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 4: on the ballot, I literally just wrote a column saying 320 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: that democracy is a kitchen table issue for a lot 321 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: of people. I know it's an issue for a lot 322 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 4: of the Black voters that I talk to. They are 323 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 4: wondering how they are going to be able to safely 324 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 4: and freely and fairly participate in this election, knowing what 325 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 4: we are up against in terms of voter suppression across 326 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 4: this country and what we've seen in response to the 327 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: twenty twenty election. And so democracy is on the ballot. 328 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 4: I think guns are on the ballot for a lot 329 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 4: of people. Gun violence is a real issue affecting a 330 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 4: lot of communities, and that is something that is gendered, 331 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 4: and a lot of Black women are very concerned about 332 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 4: gun violence. And that means different things depending on where 333 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 4: you live, but the issue is among the top issues 334 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: for a lot of the people that we hear from. 335 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 4: Reproductive access absolutely is on the ballot. I think we 336 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 4: saw that in twenty twenty two with the Mint terms, 337 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 4: and this is something that black women have been trying 338 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 4: to soundly alarm about for years before the Dobs decision, 339 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: and so black women know what's at stake. The maternal 340 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 4: mortality piece is just part of that, but that's certainly 341 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 4: a big part of it for Black women who are 342 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 4: just really worried about their personal safety. That's part of 343 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: that conversation. Education is on the ballot for us, and 344 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: that's whether you're talking about the affirmative action piece or 345 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 4: whether you're talking about the student loan debt piece, right, 346 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 4: those are both things that disproportionately affect us, and so 347 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 4: I think that is an issue that is going to 348 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 4: motivate a lot of Black women to the polls because 349 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 4: they are wanting to elect people who are going to 350 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 4: be able to do something about those issues because they 351 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 4: do see the connection between who is representing them in 352 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 4: their daily life in terms of what can happen around that. 353 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 4: So those are a few of the big ones that 354 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 4: I see, but absolutely, absolutely the issue of rights and 355 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 4: safety just overarching are weighing, I think on the minds 356 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 4: of a lot of voters, especially Black women heading into 357 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 4: next year. 358 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Aaron. 359 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 3: More from our conversations after the break. 360 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: So can you give us a rundown of some of 361 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: the key people who are running or teasing a run 362 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: across the country, Like, who are some of the people 363 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: we should be really paying attention to, and if you 364 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: could say a little about their platforms if you're aware. 365 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 4: So, I do think you are going to see a 366 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 4: black woman returning to the Senate. Finally, we know that 367 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 4: with Vice President Harris's elevation, that did leave a vacancy 368 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 4: of no Black women in the Senate, which certainly is 369 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 4: not commensurate with our representation in this country. Right, So, 370 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 4: Lisa blanc Rochester out of Delaware is running for Senate 371 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 4: and seems to have a pretty strong chance of being elected. 372 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 4: This is somebody who was a key surrogate for President 373 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 4: Biden when he was running in twenty twenty, and whose 374 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 4: profile has really kind of risen in recent years. And 375 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 4: so I think Delaware is also and I learned this 376 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, the eighth most populis state for black 377 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 4: people in America. 378 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: But even outside of that, I think that this is 379 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: somebody who could get. 380 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 4: A lot of support even from people who don't look 381 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: like her, going into next year. I'm also looking though, 382 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: in terms of a Senate race, you got to look 383 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: at Barbara Lee out in California and what her chances are. 384 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 4: That's a very tough race that probably is going to 385 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 4: be pretty expensive. Kamala Harris was a Senator out of California, 386 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: and so when there was talk of who was going 387 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 4: to be the vice president, Barbara Lee, Karen Bass, their 388 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 4: names were certainly out there. Karen Bass now the first 389 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 4: black woman mayor of Los Angeles, and now Barbara Lee 390 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: is seeking to be another black woman representing California in 391 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: the Senate. So I'm very interested to see what happens 392 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 4: with that. Interestingly, I don't know that we're going to 393 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: immediately have a chance to see another black woman running 394 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 4: for governor right now. You know, you had this stretch 395 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 4: where you had the Staceaboms effect, if you will, multiple 396 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: black women trying to break that glass ceiling that still 397 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 4: has not been broken. By the way, we have never 398 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 4: elected a black woman to serve as governor of any 399 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 4: state in this country. But yeah, I think the Senate 400 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 4: races are something that I'm just really interested in because. 401 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: There is zebra representation there too. 402 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 4: But I think that there might be an opportunity for 403 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 4: that to change in twenty twenty. 404 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: So you know erin it feels like in the past 405 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: four years throughout the pandemic, so we need people have 406 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: decided to get up and move and because of not 407 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: only for I think pandemic reasons, but also the rights 408 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: that you spoke of right and how many states are 409 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: making decisions that day to day impacts somebody's livelihood and safety. 410 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: What would you say to people who are maybe considering, Okay, 411 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: I feel like another state might be a better place 412 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: for me, like any tips that you would be able 413 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: to suggest there. 414 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: I do agree. We've seen it. We've seen people in Texas, 415 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: in Florida in particular, who were saying I don't want 416 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: to be here, I don't feel safe here, or I 417 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: don't want to raise my family here, I don't want 418 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: my kids to. 419 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 4: Grow up learning about this, or worried about what they 420 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 4: might not learn right based on where they're living right now. 421 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 4: And so I get that is absolutely a very real concern. 422 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 4: And I think that it's hard to know whether that 423 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 4: was an intended or unintended consequence of some of these 424 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 4: policies being passed, but that's certainly the impact is that 425 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 4: some people are just deciding this is not a place 426 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 4: where I want to be this is not the country 427 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 4: or the state that I recognize. 428 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: And when you are moving from one state to another 429 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: and you, like you mentioned, want to hurry up and 430 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: get registered to vote, is that also something you can 431 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: find information for on the Secretary of States website. 432 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 433 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 4: I think for some people too, moving is also about 434 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 4: their ability to be represented right, wanting to feel like 435 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 4: they can participate in a way where one person, one 436 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 4: vote feels more real for them, And I absolutely get that. 437 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 4: So yes, Secretary of State's website when you have relocated 438 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 4: can get you up to speed on how to make 439 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 4: sure that your voter registration is current in the place 440 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 4: where you now live. 441 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: So I am sure you're aware of all of the 442 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: attention and energy I think rightfully so that is being 443 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: placed on gen Z. How many of them continue to 444 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: come out in droves to vote and really push change 445 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 1: on so many of the issues. So what kinds of 446 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: best practices or recommendations might you have for a candidate 447 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: who's really wanting to make themselves marketable? So to speak 448 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: to gen Z. 449 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: Meet them where they are is the advice that I 450 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: would give. I mean, look, you see the vice president, 451 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 4: certainly somebody who is getting that message, is doing a 452 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 4: college tour right now, starting out with HBCU use right, 453 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 4: trying to galvanize those young black voters. Right when we 454 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 4: think about young voters in your mind, you can't forget 455 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: about HBCUs, you can't forget about those students, a lot 456 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 4: of whom have precincts on campus right so that they 457 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 4: can participate. So making sure that they are energized, making 458 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: sure that they are paying attention to this election, I 459 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 4: could see that is definitely a pathway to success for 460 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 4: candidates that is looking to get their message out to 461 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 4: young voters. Also, social media absolutely, I mean I don't 462 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 4: know a young person that is getting their news in 463 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 4: a traditional way. You know, when my niece sends me 464 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 4: a link to something, it's usually something she's on TikTok. 465 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: It's not something she read on some news website. That's 466 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 4: not where she's going to get information. So, if you've 467 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 4: got a candidate that doesn't at least have a presence, 468 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 4: if not is taking off on TikTok, they're probably not reaching. 469 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: As many young people as they could be. 470 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 4: I think candidates have to get create, like I said, 471 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 4: just meeting young people where they are wherever that is 472 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 4: figuring that out and showing up not expecting them to 473 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 4: find them or their campaign or their message, because that's 474 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 4: not really how they operate. 475 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: So what are some red flags, some social media red 476 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 1: flags that we should be on the lookout for. What 477 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: kinds of things may be Like I'm not so sure 478 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: about this. 479 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: Well, I want to talk about a different kind of 480 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 4: red flag on social media if I can, misinformation and disinformation, 481 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 4: because that is something that is disproportionately affecting our communities 482 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 4: and it is not okay. Obviously, as somebody who has 483 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 4: spent their career in the news business, it is very 484 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 4: distressing to me. It is very alarming to me, and 485 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 4: it is particularly alarming that our communities are being targeted 486 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 4: with this stuff because it is harmful. It is harmful. 487 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 4: We've seen that it has been deadly, honestly in some 488 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 4: cases in recent years. So I want to encourage people 489 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 4: to just be informed. I'm so excited that people want 490 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: to be engaged and that they're trying to find out 491 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 4: what's going on in our country. But misinformation is a 492 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 4: lot more sophisticated than it used to be. Right, It's 493 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: not just the tabloid at the checkout line at the 494 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: grocery store anymore like it looks a lot like what 495 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 4: people may assume is legitimate news. Not to mention the 496 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 4: rise of AI and the impact that can have on 497 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 4: tricking our brains into thinking something is real that really isn't. 498 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 4: So I just want to encourage people news literacy is 499 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 4: so important and sharing things only when you know them 500 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 4: to be factual. I know most people don't mean to 501 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 4: lie to their friends or neighbors or family members, but 502 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 4: that's exactly what happens when you post something on Facebook 503 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 4: that isn't actually real. 504 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: So, Aaron, how can we do a better job of 505 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: betting for ourselves? What is actual information versus misinformation or disinformation? 506 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: Because take your point, stuff looks very sophisticated, it looks 507 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: like it comes from a reputable news source and people 508 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: are sharing it. So what kinds of sh strategy should 509 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: we be employing to be able to bet a new story? 510 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: Okay, so one thing I would recommend check the source, 511 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: see what this source is about, where is this information 512 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 4: coming from, and does the source seem to be a 513 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: reputable source. 514 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: That's probably the first thing. The second thing is. 515 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: If you see a story, who else is reporting that story. 516 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 4: If you only see it in one place, that's usually 517 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 4: a hint that I mean, look, I like to report 518 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 4: things before anybody else, and I feel special when I've 519 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 4: told somebody something that nobody else knew yet. 520 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: But usually other people are going to write about that thing. 521 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 4: If they don't write about it at the same time 522 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 4: as me, it's going to be, you know, sometime soon 523 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 4: after me. So if you see a story and it's 524 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 4: just kind of on this island where nobody else is 525 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 4: talking about it, or nobody else seems to have the 526 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 4: same set of facts, that's probably a clue that maybe 527 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 4: this isn't legitimate. 528 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: That's a pretty pretty big one. 529 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 4: If something is older but it's presented as new, that 530 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 4: may be some misinformation that somebody's. 531 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: Trying to recirculate for some reason. That can be another 532 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: red flag. 533 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: So when we're looking at public officials or candidates who 534 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: are on the ballot, how important is it for people 535 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: who have had a public office before, Like it's prior 536 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: political experience really important when we're looking at a candidate. 537 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it's a prerequisite, right. 538 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 4: I think you're seeing a lot of people who are 539 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 4: becoming candidates for elected office because there's some aspects of 540 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 4: their live experience that they feel like they can bring 541 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 4: that would be an asset to them serving. Right, you know, 542 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 4: somebody who is an educator who may care about that 543 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: issue that gets them to run, somebody who cares about 544 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 4: gun violence, who decides that's the motivation for them running 545 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 4: and trying to make a difference. I think it is 546 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 4: important for them to tell voters why they're running and 547 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 4: what they would. 548 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: Do if they got elected. 549 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,239 Speaker 4: But it's also important for voters really to check out 550 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 4: for themselves these candidates and if they believe that they 551 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 4: are qualified to be somebody who's going to represent them 552 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 4: in the way that they. 553 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: Want more from our conversations after the break. 554 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: So, it seems like one of the most popular marketing 555 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: tactics for candidates is fifty eleven ads on TV about 556 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: their campaign, like you cannot get away from them ads 557 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: on TV. Why is this such a popular marketing tactic 558 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: for candidates and how might it either encourage people to 559 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: be engaged or disengaged from the political process as it 560 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: relates to the ads. 561 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, doctors, I'll tell you one of my favorites 562 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: is the campaign email, which my inbox is flooded with 563 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 4: at all times. They sound like one of my ex 564 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 4: boyfriends erin, Oh my god, it's too late, Eron, this 565 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 4: is our last chance. 566 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: Eric, we got to do this. It's like, please leave 567 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: me alone. I don't know how effective those are. 568 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 4: I'm a journalist, so I do not to any of 569 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 4: these people, but it sounds pretty desperate and very thirsty. 570 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 4: The television ads look repetition works. That's why you see it. 571 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 4: Like the more name recognition. You can plant into somebody's 572 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 4: brain right by the time you get to the ballot box, 573 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 4: you're like, oh, I remember that person, and hopefully they 574 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 4: had a memorable ad in a good way for you, 575 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: and so then that person gets your vote. You may 576 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: have never seen them in a debate, you may have 577 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 4: never seen them in a town hall, but they had 578 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,239 Speaker 4: a commercial that resonated with you. They talked about some 579 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 4: issue that you cared about, or they seem to be 580 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 4: somebody that you could somehow otherwise relate. 581 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: To, and so you want to support them. 582 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 4: On the other hand, maybe you saw an ad that 583 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 4: was negative and that was also memorable. 584 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: Negative ads work on people. 585 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,239 Speaker 4: Even though people say they don't like them, they do 586 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 4: work and so that's why we continue to see negative ads. 587 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: And depending on where you live, I mean, certainly I 588 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,239 Speaker 4: am from Atlanta, but I now live in Pennsylvania, and 589 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 4: you know, it is a battleground state, and so that 590 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: means that we see a lot of ads. Georgia tends 591 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 4: to have a lot of runoffs, and so you will 592 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 4: see ads for much longer of a season than a 593 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: lot of our neighbors in other states. So I think 594 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 4: that kind of thing can also lead to fatigue. But again, 595 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 4: these candidates are trying to make an impression and to 596 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 4: make you remember them so that on election day, even 597 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 4: though you may be sick of the ads, you may 598 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 4: at least remember who was in them and vote for 599 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 4: that person. 600 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: So something else that has been having like growing discourse 601 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: recently is age caps for elected officials. So you know, 602 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: there's been calls around Nancy Pelosi and any health concerns 603 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: Mitchim Kannoll may have. Can you talk a little bit 604 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: about like your thoughts around age caps and what we 605 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: might lose our gain when we have different generations representing constituents. 606 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think there are different ways to 607 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 4: look at it, right, I think there's certainly benefits that 608 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 4: older people can bring to our government, to any institution, right, 609 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 4: the wisdom that they bring, as well as the experience 610 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 4: that they can bring, the mentorship that they can provide. 611 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 4: All these things you're valuable to have, including in politics. 612 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 4: So there's a place for people with a range of experiences, 613 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 4: including age, in our politics. 614 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: That said, I talked. 615 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,719 Speaker 4: To voters a lot, and among the people who express 616 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 4: the most concern about the fact that both of the 617 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 4: presumed nominees for next year are people who are in 618 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 4: their seventies and eighties. Older people tell me that they 619 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 4: are concerned because they know what their days look like 620 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 4: and they know what their limitations are. And so being 621 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 4: president is a very rigorous job. You know, you're traveling 622 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 4: all around the country, all around the world, and you 623 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 4: have a very full schedule on any given day. So 624 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: I think, given that these candidates are up in age, 625 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 4: I think that it is incumbent upon them to prove 626 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 4: that they are up for the job and to prove 627 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 4: that they are capable. But I mean, once they've done that, 628 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 4: the voters get to decide for themselves whether or not 629 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 4: they believe that person is capable. 630 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: Right. 631 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 4: This also kind of brings up the issue of how 632 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 4: long somebody should be able to serve. I mean, obviously, 633 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 4: if you run for president, you can only serve two terms. 634 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 4: But somebody who is in Congress serves for as long 635 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 4: as they can continue to be elected. And so that 636 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 4: is something that can be I think even more up 637 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 4: to voters in terms of deciding using that as a 638 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 4: criteria to decide whether or not that person should continue 639 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 4: and if they feel that person is still effective the 640 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 4: older they get and the longer that they've been serving. 641 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: So something else that appears to be very effective for 642 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: candidates or celebrity endorsements, right, can you talk about any 643 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: concerns related to celebrity endorsements and also like candidates who 644 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 1: seem to want to be more celebrity as opposed to 645 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: a political figure, Can you talk a little bit about 646 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: that and like what kinds of things we should be 647 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: paying attention into if it feels like a candidate is 648 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: really ingraining themselves in the celebrity world. 649 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 4: Look, there's been a relationship between politics and celebrity. Sometimes 650 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 4: that life has been blurred in our politics over history. 651 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 4: You think about President Kennedy, who was certainly not a celebrity, 652 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 4: but he had a kind of a celebrity status. The 653 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 4: Obamas ended up having a celebrity status as well. Ronald 654 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 4: Reagan was a literal former actor. Former President Trump also 655 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 4: was a celebrity who ran successfully for the office. And 656 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 4: so I think celebrity is getting involved in our politics. 657 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 4: It does raise awareness in a different way. Again, it 658 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 4: can bring a different kind of audience for somebody who's 659 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 4: running for office who maybe wasn't necessarily paying attention to 660 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 4: the election previously, a celebrity who was not particularly political, 661 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 4: if they put their thumb on the scale, I think 662 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 4: that sometimes that is something that can have an impression 663 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: on voters. I think about Oprah. You know, when Obama 664 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 4: ran for office, Oprah was not somebody who really was 665 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 4: very publicly politically active, right, but she was very much 666 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 4: active in that race, and I think. 667 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 2: That it did matter. 668 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,959 Speaker 4: It mattered last midterm cycle when John Fetterman is running 669 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 4: against doctor Oz in Pennsylvania. Doctor Oz was somebody that 670 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 4: Oprah basically was responsible for bringing into our collective consciousness. 671 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 4: And so for her to come out in the eleventh 672 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 4: hour and say I'm with John Fetterman, I think that 673 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 4: did matter to voters that she did not endorse this 674 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 4: person that she had previously professionally supported. But I do 675 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 4: think celebrities can have an influence on our politics. You 676 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 4: probably saw the story just recently Taylor Swift registering tens 677 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 4: of thousands of voters. That matters, like not telling anybody 678 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 4: to vote for one person or the other, but saying 679 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 4: voting matters. 680 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: Participate in this election. 681 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 4: I am personally encouraging you to get signed up and 682 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 4: that working. 683 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 2: That's incredible. 684 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 4: You know somebody who works for a news organization named 685 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 4: for voting rights, I'm here for that. 686 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: I think another thing that happens, especially I think in 687 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: the news within the last five to seven years, I 688 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: would say, is that people have been increasingly impacted their 689 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: mental health has been impacted by the news. Right, Like 690 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: just feels like the news cycle is often so violatile. 691 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: What kinds of suggestions would you share with people around 692 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: how they can stay informed while also protecting their mental health. 693 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess what I would challenge people to think 694 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 4: about what staying informed means. It's not only being informed 695 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 4: about the bad stuff or the scary stuff, or the 696 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 4: stuff that doesn't make you feel good. Right, there's a 697 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 4: lot of news. There are many many different things happening 698 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 4: in this country on any given day, in this world, 699 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 4: on any given day, that are not all bad. And 700 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 4: I know it feels like that's all that the news 701 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 4: is reporting a lot of time, but that's not true. 702 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 4: So like really expanding your news diet to find more 703 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 4: positive things that you can read about, that you can 704 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 4: learn about that number one. Number two, it's okay to 705 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 4: step away from the news. I think really the previous 706 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 4: four years where everything that happened on Twitter was news, 707 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 4: really conditioned us if we're gone for an hour, like 708 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 4: who knows what's gonna happen really hour to hour, And 709 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 4: that wasn't good for our mental health. 710 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 2: That wasn't really good for our. 711 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 4: Collective mental health as a country to be constantly worried 712 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 4: about what bad thing was going to happen and how 713 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 4: were we're going to find out about it. I think 714 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 4: social media definitely plays a role in tightening that. I 715 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 4: personally felt much better mentally when I turned off by 716 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 4: notifications for a lot of the social media to the 717 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 4: extent that I could. I mean, some people I have 718 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 4: to pay attention to, but a lot of people I 719 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 4: don't have to pay attention to, And it's okay to 720 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 4: not constantly be checking my feed on Instagram or X 721 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 4: or Facebook to see what's going on. I think that 722 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 4: reclaiming that brain space is really important too, as a 723 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 4: way to kind of balance things out. 724 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: This has been so helpful Erin Thank you so much 725 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: for sharing everything you've shared today. Can you tell us 726 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: where we can stay connected with you and all the 727 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: incredible work you're doing. What's your website as well as 728 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 1: any social media handles you'd like to share? 729 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely? Thank you so much. This has been amazing. I'm 730 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 4: so glad that I got to hang out with you. 731 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 4: So yes, you can definitely find me on the interwebs. 732 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 4: You can find the Nineteenth Journalism on our website that's 733 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 4: on nine th anyws dot org nineteenthnews dot org. 734 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 2: We also have a ton of. 735 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 4: Free newsletters that you can sign up for, and I 736 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 4: would encourage you to please, please please sign up for 737 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 4: my newsletter. It's called The Amendment and you can sign 738 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 4: up for it at nineteenthnews dot org. 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Thank you. 754 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 3: I'm so glad Aaron was able to join us today 755 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 3: to share her expertise. To learn more about her and 756 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 3: her work, visit the show notes at Therapy for Blackgirls 757 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 3: dot Com slash Session three twenty eight, and don't forget 758 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 3: to text two of your girls right now and encourage 759 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 3: them to check out the episode. If you're looking for 760 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 3: a therapist in your area, check out our therapist directory 761 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 3: at Therapy for Blackgirls dot Com slash directory. 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