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Speaker 1: breaking down his collaboration with the'angelo on the classic track Lady,

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Speaker 1: Plus discussing the underrated influence of sly Stone bassist Larry

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Speaker 1: the Bay Area. This is Broken Record liner notes for

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Speaker 1: the digital Age. I'm justin Ritchman. Here's my conversation with

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Speaker 1: Rafael Sadik. To see the full video version of this episode,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for having us as your beautiful I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've been here twenty I think twenty years now, working

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, So that would have been I guess Ray Ray.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I want I want to ask you about that.

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Speaker 1: How did that tradition start? Because actually I met One

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Speaker 2: Is that what Larry Grim?

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Speaker 2: Like I watched him sing Lovely Day one time, and

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Speaker 2: He's the one of a kind. We always see each

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Speaker 1: But I was just closed that long ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, I was. I was too young to

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Speaker 2: He was always talking about John Singleton about comic books,

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Speaker 2: My comic books was Larry Graham gram Station in Parliament,

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Speaker 2: Larry's Larry's Larry Steph Curry in Oakland.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's a great that's a great comparison. He

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Speaker 2: I looked up to him more than anybody.

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Speaker 2: But it's not Rusty. But Rusty is the beast. Rusty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because those those slide records, if he played on

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Speaker 1: I think I have his email really yeah, okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: He did, he did kill it. I mean, I never

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Speaker 2: on Bassis. Yeah, it's crazy Bassis. It's a crazy instrument. Man.

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Speaker 2: You can, you know, fill up church and like a

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Speaker 2: He's being funny. He's I'm like, bro, come on.

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Speaker 1: The way you explain that is kind of It's perfect

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Speaker 1: he heard.

433
00:23:23,436 --> 00:23:25,396
Speaker 2: Stuff that I got and he you know, we we

434
00:23:25,436 --> 00:23:27,236
Speaker 2: always go back and forth. But he he got some

435
00:23:27,316 --> 00:23:31,476
Speaker 2: records he that he's excited about, and you know, we

436
00:23:31,756 --> 00:23:35,236
Speaker 2: always just no, no, no, he was here. He came

437
00:23:35,356 --> 00:23:39,436
Speaker 2: here one day. We played, he played the Hollywood Bowl

438
00:23:39,436 --> 00:23:42,956
Speaker 2: and I play guitar with him, and he came here

439
00:23:42,996 --> 00:23:45,996
Speaker 2: afterwards and we just you know, we just pressed play

440
00:23:45,996 --> 00:23:49,116
Speaker 2: and play records. And and he's playing guitar now and

441
00:23:49,156 --> 00:23:53,676
Speaker 2: he's playing bass, and he's he's funky's right now.

442
00:23:55,116 --> 00:23:56,276
Speaker 1: I like seeing him play guitar on that.

443
00:23:58,516 --> 00:24:00,956
Speaker 2: Q tips is q tips is getting good on bass.

444
00:24:02,156 --> 00:24:05,556
Speaker 2: He's getting good on bass. Shat Heat is really good

445
00:24:05,636 --> 00:24:11,396
Speaker 2: on bass. Ship you know Ship. Yeah, Adrian Young is

446
00:24:11,396 --> 00:24:13,836
Speaker 2: getting good on bass. All my friends that didn't play,

447
00:24:14,076 --> 00:24:15,076
Speaker 2: they all pretty good.

448
00:24:15,116 --> 00:24:17,716
Speaker 1: Now did Adrian never play? He played?

449
00:24:17,916 --> 00:24:22,396
Speaker 2: But now I heard him play like maybe two weeks

450
00:24:22,436 --> 00:24:24,236
Speaker 2: ago on the record. I was like, man, who's playing

451
00:24:24,236 --> 00:24:27,436
Speaker 2: on the record? I said, wow, I said you. I

452
00:24:27,436 --> 00:24:30,116
Speaker 2: said you was playing, you know, maybe two years ago,

453
00:24:30,156 --> 00:24:32,476
Speaker 2: but now I wouldn't have known that was you.

454
00:24:32,716 --> 00:24:32,996
Speaker 1: Wow.

455
00:24:33,276 --> 00:24:35,796
Speaker 2: So you know, I love to see people putting in

456
00:24:35,836 --> 00:24:36,116
Speaker 2: the work.

457
00:24:36,156 --> 00:24:37,436
Speaker 1: That's a huge compliment from you.

458
00:24:38,236 --> 00:24:39,116
Speaker 2: They putting in the work.

459
00:24:39,316 --> 00:24:42,276
Speaker 1: That's wild. We'll be right back with more from roe

460
00:24:42,316 --> 00:24:50,556
Speaker 1: Field after this break. We're back with Roe Fel. You know,

461
00:24:50,596 --> 00:24:53,836
Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned that you brought lady to the

462
00:24:53,876 --> 00:24:59,036
Speaker 1: Tonies and kind of I was curious about yours when

463
00:24:59,076 --> 00:25:01,916
Speaker 1: you kind of left the Tonies your switched the guitar,

464
00:25:02,916 --> 00:25:07,276
Speaker 1: Like how your brother Dwayne felt about that because he

465
00:25:07,356 --> 00:25:08,796
Speaker 1: was kind of the guitar, Like was there like a

466
00:25:08,836 --> 00:25:11,636
Speaker 1: little friction with that or like no, no, you look

467
00:25:11,676 --> 00:25:13,156
Speaker 1: at you like like you know you're playing with MC

468
00:25:13,236 --> 00:25:15,356
Speaker 1: Jagger on the tour, make Jagger at the Grams like,

469
00:25:15,356 --> 00:25:15,716
Speaker 1: come on.

470
00:25:15,716 --> 00:25:19,036
Speaker 2: Dog, Actually, I wouldn't even know. I wouldn't even know.

471
00:25:19,116 --> 00:25:23,516
Speaker 2: But when you're gonna be a front man, I like

472
00:25:23,596 --> 00:25:26,716
Speaker 2: front man's that play guitars, not bass. I mean, I

473
00:25:26,836 --> 00:25:29,636
Speaker 2: love like Larry that plays bass. But it's hard to

474
00:25:29,676 --> 00:25:34,276
Speaker 2: play bass and sing Bootsy level forty two.

475
00:25:34,676 --> 00:25:36,196
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Rush guy.

476
00:25:36,476 --> 00:25:41,276
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you gotta really be I've played bass on

477
00:25:41,276 --> 00:25:43,676
Speaker 2: one tour as a front, as a singing in the front.

478
00:25:43,756 --> 00:25:47,996
Speaker 2: It's it's not easy. It's fun, but it's not easy.

479
00:25:48,276 --> 00:25:50,676
Speaker 2: I'd rather I want somebody to dig in the bass

480
00:25:50,676 --> 00:25:52,716
Speaker 2: when I'm singing. Yeah, right, so I have to have

481
00:25:53,156 --> 00:25:55,156
Speaker 2: the guy that relieves me on Bay. It's gotta be

482
00:25:55,316 --> 00:25:56,356
Speaker 2: like that dude.

483
00:25:56,436 --> 00:25:57,716
Speaker 1: You know, how did you pick the dude for the

484
00:25:58,076 --> 00:25:59,116
Speaker 1: recent Tony's tour?

485
00:26:03,316 --> 00:26:05,236
Speaker 2: How did I I seen him play? I think I

486
00:26:05,276 --> 00:26:11,156
Speaker 2: found him on Instagram. I've seen him play Gosh Wow, yeah, Josh.

487
00:26:11,156 --> 00:26:13,756
Speaker 2: He's a bad boy too, and he used to play

488
00:26:13,796 --> 00:26:16,516
Speaker 2: with MPG. But I didn't know that at the time.

489
00:26:16,836 --> 00:26:19,076
Speaker 2: You just found him and I found him at the time,

490
00:26:19,196 --> 00:26:22,676
Speaker 2: and I knew he was solid. You know, you just

491
00:26:22,716 --> 00:26:26,436
Speaker 2: need somebody solid. They they got some they got they

492
00:26:26,796 --> 00:26:30,036
Speaker 2: got chopped, but they also know how to play, you know,

493
00:26:30,156 --> 00:26:30,676
Speaker 2: be solid.

494
00:26:30,916 --> 00:26:33,516
Speaker 1: You know, did you consider doing the tour like based

495
00:26:33,556 --> 00:26:34,556
Speaker 1: on the tour or nah?

496
00:26:35,036 --> 00:26:37,756
Speaker 2: Oh no, I never even because I've never played bassed

497
00:26:37,796 --> 00:26:41,916
Speaker 2: on the Tonys tour. Never. I've never even played guitar

498
00:26:42,676 --> 00:26:43,116
Speaker 2: mm hmm.

499
00:26:43,956 --> 00:26:45,076
Speaker 1: But you're on the records.

500
00:26:45,476 --> 00:26:47,756
Speaker 2: I played all the records. Yeah, yeah, how.

501
00:26:47,596 --> 00:26:49,516
Speaker 1: Can you and you just the same reason you didn't

502
00:26:49,516 --> 00:26:51,556
Speaker 1: want you wanted to be because you're you're you're leading.

503
00:26:51,636 --> 00:26:53,396
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think I could do it, honestly, to

504
00:26:53,436 --> 00:26:54,796
Speaker 2: be honest, I didn't think I could do it. I

505
00:26:54,796 --> 00:27:00,196
Speaker 2: didn't think that. You know, syllables and rhythms. You know,

506
00:27:00,356 --> 00:27:03,596
Speaker 2: sometimes when you sing a word in the syllole, sometimes

507
00:27:03,596 --> 00:27:04,436
Speaker 2: your fingers.

508
00:27:04,116 --> 00:27:04,596
Speaker 1: Go with it.

509
00:27:04,716 --> 00:27:07,196
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have to separate like a drummer. You

510
00:27:07,196 --> 00:27:09,796
Speaker 2: have to separate that pop tat. I could do it.

511
00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:14,716
Speaker 2: I've done it. I've done a tour with me Rob Bacon.

512
00:27:15,076 --> 00:27:19,316
Speaker 2: Rob was on guitars and bass, forgot the drummer and

513
00:27:19,636 --> 00:27:24,356
Speaker 2: Kelvin Wooden play keys, and it was fun. It was,

514
00:27:24,916 --> 00:27:28,196
Speaker 2: you know, less people, more money for me, right, Yeah,

515
00:27:28,236 --> 00:27:28,716
Speaker 2: it was fun.

516
00:27:29,156 --> 00:27:33,396
Speaker 1: One less player. You gotta that was fun. How do

517
00:27:33,396 --> 00:27:35,756
Speaker 1: you separate? I mean, you've, like, man, you've been on

518
00:27:35,836 --> 00:27:39,076
Speaker 1: a hell of a run lately with with composing and

519
00:27:39,116 --> 00:27:44,956
Speaker 1: writing and producing these days, Like how are you spending

520
00:27:44,996 --> 00:27:48,236
Speaker 1: your time like musically, like are you are you? Are

521
00:27:48,276 --> 00:27:50,236
Speaker 1: you writing a lot for your Like.

522
00:27:50,316 --> 00:27:53,516
Speaker 2: I spent my time right there on that piano, this piano. Yeah,

523
00:27:53,596 --> 00:27:57,116
Speaker 2: I spent most of my time on the piano. I

524
00:27:57,236 --> 00:28:03,556
Speaker 2: haven't recorded anything, and maybe maybe it's close to six

525
00:28:03,636 --> 00:28:06,036
Speaker 2: months because I just spent you know, I just I said,

526
00:28:06,476 --> 00:28:08,836
Speaker 2: I just want to practice and just play and not

527
00:28:09,636 --> 00:28:11,916
Speaker 2: just loop everything, because you know, when you're recording now

528
00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:14,676
Speaker 2: you're able to you just loop everything and you never

529
00:28:14,716 --> 00:28:17,916
Speaker 2: get any practice time on any instrument. So I'm just

530
00:28:17,996 --> 00:28:21,676
Speaker 2: doing a lot of listening to you know, a lot

531
00:28:21,716 --> 00:28:23,716
Speaker 2: of Donnie, a lot of earth Wind, a lot of

532
00:28:25,716 --> 00:28:31,076
Speaker 2: going to shows I just wanted, you know, concerts, and

533
00:28:31,116 --> 00:28:34,316
Speaker 2: figuring out when I'm a tour again in twenty five,

534
00:28:34,476 --> 00:28:38,716
Speaker 2: and and just figuring out a lot of keyboard stuff,

535
00:28:38,796 --> 00:28:41,316
Speaker 2: listen to songs that I really love and learning how

536
00:28:41,316 --> 00:28:45,996
Speaker 2: to play them and just knowing, you know, learning what

537
00:28:46,076 --> 00:28:48,076
Speaker 2: I'm playing. You know, I'm taking piano lessons. I take

538
00:28:48,116 --> 00:28:51,356
Speaker 2: piano lessons three days a week. Wow, I don't take

539
00:28:51,356 --> 00:28:54,836
Speaker 2: classical pianos. I haven't played no one full classical piece yet.

540
00:28:55,596 --> 00:29:00,356
Speaker 2: But because I'm I'm just starting from the very reading everything. Yeah.

541
00:29:00,596 --> 00:29:03,956
Speaker 2: So I played first bone in school. I played trombone

542
00:29:03,996 --> 00:29:07,156
Speaker 2: in high screen. We was cheating in school, That's why

543
00:29:07,556 --> 00:29:11,236
Speaker 2: we was writing down the positions, you know, fun too

544
00:29:11,436 --> 00:29:15,316
Speaker 2: for we knew, you know, I could read bass cleft

545
00:29:15,316 --> 00:29:18,516
Speaker 2: pretty good then, but you know you don't. You don't

546
00:29:18,596 --> 00:29:22,036
Speaker 2: use it, you lose it. Yeah, so it's from the beginning.

547
00:29:22,076 --> 00:29:24,036
Speaker 1: Now, Wow, what what what made you want to like

548
00:29:24,036 --> 00:29:26,396
Speaker 1: woodshed right now? Like? What was the impetus for that?

549
00:29:26,476 --> 00:29:28,796
Speaker 1: Like was like a moment where you're like, oh, man.

550
00:29:28,716 --> 00:29:33,076
Speaker 2: Like I got bored. I mean I just I love

551
00:29:33,556 --> 00:29:35,996
Speaker 2: I love piano, I love chlores, I love voice sings,

552
00:29:35,996 --> 00:29:40,436
Speaker 2: and I just want I wouldn't have so much artillery

553
00:29:40,636 --> 00:29:43,876
Speaker 2: to write to grab from. Like I can hear everything,

554
00:29:43,916 --> 00:29:45,676
Speaker 2: I can hear it, but I just want to be

555
00:29:45,716 --> 00:29:48,796
Speaker 2: able to go to it in like two seconds. So

556
00:29:48,916 --> 00:29:55,956
Speaker 2: my nephew, he plays piano, Dylan, and he's from another

557
00:29:56,276 --> 00:29:58,956
Speaker 2: another world. Yeah, he can. He could pick up anything

558
00:29:58,996 --> 00:30:04,396
Speaker 2: and learn anything, and not just I always tell him

559
00:30:04,476 --> 00:30:07,716
Speaker 2: to not don't stop, because he's doing pretty good. He's

560
00:30:07,756 --> 00:30:09,196
Speaker 2: he's done a lot of records, he worked with a

561
00:30:09,236 --> 00:30:14,116
Speaker 2: lot of people. And because he's so talented that you know,

562
00:30:14,156 --> 00:30:16,036
Speaker 2: you could you could stop playing your main instrument. His

563
00:30:16,116 --> 00:30:19,316
Speaker 2: main instrument is piano, but he plays guitar, drums, his

564
00:30:19,316 --> 00:30:24,156
Speaker 2: his little brother Jaden, he plays bass. He's funky as hell.

565
00:30:24,676 --> 00:30:26,756
Speaker 2: He he's been playing like Larry Grahams song since he

566
00:30:26,876 --> 00:30:29,556
Speaker 2: was like nine years old. What and talking like Larry,

567
00:30:29,716 --> 00:30:32,796
Speaker 2: acting like them. The whole thing is yeah, the whole thing.

568
00:30:33,316 --> 00:30:35,996
Speaker 2: So you know, when you're in the industry, you just

569
00:30:35,996 --> 00:30:39,996
Speaker 2: don't want to fall off the instrument that you love.

570
00:30:40,676 --> 00:30:43,036
Speaker 2: And so I always tell him, like, are you practicing?

571
00:30:43,116 --> 00:30:45,236
Speaker 2: You know, are you practicing? Don't don't stop because you

572
00:30:45,316 --> 00:30:48,076
Speaker 2: got a record out with this person. This person keep playing.

573
00:30:48,476 --> 00:30:53,036
Speaker 2: So I took some of my own advice and jumped

574
00:30:53,036 --> 00:30:57,076
Speaker 2: on the piano. Looked on Google. Found this. This piano teacher,

575
00:30:59,076 --> 00:31:02,036
Speaker 2: Kristen is the Tahanga pianos. I found it. I thought

576
00:31:02,476 --> 00:31:08,596
Speaker 2: she was in Tahunga to Pega Canyon Pianos and she

577
00:31:08,676 --> 00:31:13,236
Speaker 2: was actually in Seattle. So I like, have a screen here,

578
00:31:13,316 --> 00:31:15,796
Speaker 2: I mean a camera here, a camera here, camera here

579
00:31:15,876 --> 00:31:17,276
Speaker 2: on my upright piano in the back.

580
00:31:17,356 --> 00:31:18,916
Speaker 1: Okay, you're zooming on that.

581
00:31:18,996 --> 00:31:22,356
Speaker 2: I'm zooming yeah, and it's it's it's been really cool.

582
00:31:22,436 --> 00:31:25,956
Speaker 2: So I haven't written any music, but when I started

583
00:31:25,956 --> 00:31:29,916
Speaker 2: writing music, I think it's gonna be a little different.

584
00:31:30,236 --> 00:31:32,996
Speaker 1: You have a whole new like bag to pull from.

585
00:31:33,076 --> 00:31:35,956
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, yeah, Because now I'm playing like stylistic songs.

586
00:31:35,996 --> 00:31:37,756
Speaker 2: I'm going over all the songs that I used to

587
00:31:37,756 --> 00:31:42,076
Speaker 2: play some of the best writers or you know, piano players.

588
00:31:42,196 --> 00:31:43,756
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you like? What are the one

589
00:31:43,836 --> 00:31:46,396
Speaker 1: what are the songs that stand out for you as well?

590
00:31:46,516 --> 00:31:49,916
Speaker 1: The songs that you love growing up that that that

591
00:31:50,516 --> 00:31:52,596
Speaker 1: are also like incredible piano songs.

592
00:31:52,796 --> 00:31:55,196
Speaker 2: It's gonna sound redundant, but that's why I started listening

593
00:31:55,196 --> 00:31:58,516
Speaker 2: to the Hawkins family because I felt like all those records,

594
00:31:58,516 --> 00:32:02,196
Speaker 2: if I learned those records just almost everything I wanted

595
00:32:02,236 --> 00:32:03,876
Speaker 2: to know. But then I would say, like, you know,

596
00:32:03,956 --> 00:32:08,756
Speaker 2: Tom Bell and the Creed, you know very good piano songs,

597
00:32:08,916 --> 00:32:11,956
Speaker 2: and it falls riding place with all like the Spinners

598
00:32:12,036 --> 00:32:16,356
Speaker 2: and the Dell Phonix, the STYLEX, all those people, and

599
00:32:16,396 --> 00:32:19,676
Speaker 2: then Earth Wind and Fire. I was definitely all over

600
00:32:20,196 --> 00:32:22,716
Speaker 2: the Gratitude albums, the live album.

601
00:32:23,276 --> 00:32:24,916
Speaker 1: Did you ever see them in the day.

602
00:32:25,396 --> 00:32:27,996
Speaker 2: I didn't see the Gratitude tour, no, okay, but I

603
00:32:28,036 --> 00:32:30,436
Speaker 2: saw Funk on the Ground. I saw Parliament. I saw

604
00:32:30,436 --> 00:32:40,516
Speaker 2: Bernie Burrell play live. I saw Tower Power live. I

605
00:32:40,556 --> 00:32:44,036
Speaker 2: saw Bob Marley and the Whalers, the Berkeley Greek.

606
00:32:46,556 --> 00:32:49,356
Speaker 1: I don't think i've met anybody that's aw's. I met

607
00:32:49,396 --> 00:32:51,396
Speaker 1: one person one time that had tickets and they didn't

608
00:32:51,436 --> 00:32:53,476
Speaker 1: go for some reason. I was like, I did have tickets.

609
00:32:53,516 --> 00:32:55,556
Speaker 2: I was just on a bike, riding a bike from

610
00:32:55,596 --> 00:33:00,716
Speaker 2: East Oakland just to to Berkeley, just being some bad

611
00:33:00,796 --> 00:33:04,036
Speaker 2: kids is riding so far from home, and we were

612
00:33:04,196 --> 00:33:07,556
Speaker 2: just riding around and I heard this reggae music and

613
00:33:07,676 --> 00:33:10,436
Speaker 2: my friends kept going on the and I stopped and

614
00:33:10,556 --> 00:33:13,116
Speaker 2: I'm looking through the fence and I'm like, what is that?

615
00:33:13,556 --> 00:33:17,116
Speaker 2: And I could see Bob Marley and and I just

616
00:33:17,156 --> 00:33:18,516
Speaker 2: stayed there. I never left.

617
00:33:18,636 --> 00:33:20,276
Speaker 1: Did you know Bob Marley at the time, I.

618
00:33:20,196 --> 00:33:21,876
Speaker 2: Know who he was. I didn't know much about it.

619
00:33:21,876 --> 00:33:24,596
Speaker 2: I knew who he was, but I didn't leave. I

620
00:33:24,756 --> 00:33:27,156
Speaker 2: just stayed there by the fence. I watched the defence.

621
00:33:27,956 --> 00:33:34,316
Speaker 2: That's that's incredible. Yeah, so I'm I'm a huge whalers,

622
00:33:34,956 --> 00:33:38,396
Speaker 2: you know. I mean the base plan from Family Man

623
00:33:38,476 --> 00:33:39,556
Speaker 2: is the naughtiest.

624
00:33:39,836 --> 00:33:40,036
Speaker 1: Yeah.

625
00:33:40,196 --> 00:33:43,156
Speaker 2: I like rhythm sections like brothers. Like the rhythm section

626
00:33:43,196 --> 00:33:45,436
Speaker 2: with him and the Family Man and his brother on drums,

627
00:33:45,836 --> 00:33:51,876
Speaker 2: it's the tightest drum section. I would say, I would

628
00:33:51,876 --> 00:33:53,876
Speaker 2: put them neck in neck with with the James Brown

629
00:33:53,916 --> 00:33:57,796
Speaker 2: rhythm section. Wow, it's different, but it's tight.

630
00:33:57,996 --> 00:33:59,396
Speaker 1: That's the hell. That's a hell of a that's a

631
00:33:59,436 --> 00:34:00,876
Speaker 1: hell of a I know, I'm gonna have to go

632
00:34:00,916 --> 00:34:03,236
Speaker 1: back and listen for that specific Oh.

633
00:34:03,116 --> 00:34:05,836
Speaker 2: Man, it's it's it's just crazy that and then I'll

634
00:34:05,876 --> 00:34:10,796
Speaker 2: go to Verdein and Freddy. Yeah, you know those those

635
00:34:10,836 --> 00:34:16,196
Speaker 2: are my rhythm sections, the Bob rhythm section, earth Wind

636
00:34:16,196 --> 00:34:21,636
Speaker 2: and Fire rhythm section, and James and of course James jameson.

637
00:34:21,676 --> 00:34:25,156
Speaker 1: James Yeah, right Motown in Motown. Yeah, you worked with

638
00:34:25,196 --> 00:34:28,116
Speaker 1: earth Wind and Fire and with like when Maurice was

639
00:34:28,156 --> 00:34:29,196
Speaker 1: still I did.

640
00:34:29,236 --> 00:34:31,236
Speaker 2: I had a chance to work with Maurice and talked

641
00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:33,556
Speaker 2: to Maurice White a lot.

642
00:34:34,716 --> 00:34:36,636
Speaker 1: What was that like, because he's scary.

643
00:34:36,716 --> 00:34:39,596
Speaker 2: Man. That was scary working with Maurice. I mean they

644
00:34:39,636 --> 00:34:45,796
Speaker 2: all walked in the room, three of them, Philip Philip Philip,

645
00:34:45,876 --> 00:34:50,476
Speaker 2: Philip Bailey, Maurice White, and Ralph Johnson. Yeah, they walked

646
00:34:50,516 --> 00:34:54,196
Speaker 2: in the room and I was super nervous. But they're

647
00:34:54,236 --> 00:34:57,196
Speaker 2: really nice and there's so much history. You could feel

648
00:34:57,196 --> 00:34:59,236
Speaker 2: the history when they walk in the room. You could

649
00:34:59,316 --> 00:35:04,476
Speaker 2: just feel that like like we just we bad were

650
00:35:04,516 --> 00:35:08,156
Speaker 2: bad boys, like we bring it. Yeah, you know he

651
00:35:08,276 --> 00:35:11,196
Speaker 2: was a band leader. You know, he was a band

652
00:35:11,276 --> 00:35:11,836
Speaker 2: leader guy.

653
00:35:12,036 --> 00:35:14,196
Speaker 1: And then yeah, what was the dynamic? How was how

654
00:35:14,316 --> 00:35:16,156
Speaker 1: was Maurice's dynamic in the room with.

655
00:35:16,436 --> 00:35:19,116
Speaker 2: He produced me? He produced me the producer.

656
00:35:19,956 --> 00:35:22,116
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

657
00:35:22,236 --> 00:35:25,436
Speaker 2: Like when I was singing, I was singing a falsetto

658
00:35:25,516 --> 00:35:28,236
Speaker 2: part and show me the way, and he told me

659
00:35:28,276 --> 00:35:31,156
Speaker 2: to tell en and just kick the reverb a little

660
00:35:31,156 --> 00:35:36,276
Speaker 2: bit higher. It's producing tip, damn. Yeah, from the best.

661
00:35:37,396 --> 00:35:39,716
Speaker 1: Definitely from the best, especially for the like if it's

662
00:35:40,076 --> 00:35:42,836
Speaker 1: a producing tip on a on a falset vocal. Yeah,

663
00:35:43,156 --> 00:35:50,556
Speaker 1: come on, you know that solid advice? Did did you?

664
00:35:50,596 --> 00:35:52,516
Speaker 1: Did you? Didn't? You didn't play? Did you? You never

665
00:35:52,516 --> 00:35:53,796
Speaker 1: played live with them? Did you?

666
00:35:54,116 --> 00:35:57,556
Speaker 2: I've never played live with with Earth the Fire, no doubt.

667
00:35:57,956 --> 00:35:59,436
Speaker 2: I mean I would still love to do that now,

668
00:35:59,516 --> 00:36:02,356
Speaker 2: but I mean it's still need Vernein is playing you. Yeah,

669
00:36:02,716 --> 00:36:05,556
Speaker 2: you can't. I mean that's the that's the back bone

670
00:36:05,596 --> 00:36:09,556
Speaker 2: earth on guitar though, you know, if you're not moving. Nah,

671
00:36:10,116 --> 00:36:12,236
Speaker 2: they just let me clap my hand. Maybe I could

672
00:36:12,236 --> 00:36:15,236
Speaker 2: sing a part with Philip, but I'm definitely not. Then

673
00:36:15,316 --> 00:36:21,316
Speaker 2: jump on a guitar, bass man, maybe a sound check, soundcheck,

674
00:36:21,516 --> 00:36:23,236
Speaker 2: a couple of sound checks. I would like to play

675
00:36:23,276 --> 00:36:27,956
Speaker 2: with with Earth Wind and Fire. And I got a

676
00:36:28,036 --> 00:36:33,076
Speaker 2: chance to play with now Rogers and chic Wow for

677
00:36:33,436 --> 00:36:37,156
Speaker 2: something at Apple. When was that maybe a year ago,

678
00:36:37,396 --> 00:36:40,836
Speaker 2: a year something for something for some type of new

679
00:36:40,876 --> 00:36:43,676
Speaker 2: headsphones or something. You know. I was like, oh yeah,

680
00:36:43,676 --> 00:36:46,156
Speaker 2: I'm definitely doing that. But it wasn't a live audience.

681
00:36:46,796 --> 00:36:47,516
Speaker 1: I was it though.

682
00:36:47,596 --> 00:36:50,636
Speaker 2: It was amazing because you know, but that words is right.

683
00:36:50,796 --> 00:36:55,276
Speaker 2: This is my guy too. Yes, she dressed liked him.

684
00:36:55,276 --> 00:36:57,436
Speaker 2: I did the whole thing. I had school boy glasses

685
00:36:57,476 --> 00:36:59,956
Speaker 2: on the tweet jagged. I did the whole thing. Now

686
00:36:59,956 --> 00:37:02,716
Speaker 2: I was looking at looking at me and saying, wow, man,

687
00:37:02,756 --> 00:37:04,636
Speaker 2: this dude went all the way in and I'm like,

688
00:37:04,956 --> 00:37:07,076
Speaker 2: of course, of course I did.

689
00:37:07,476 --> 00:37:12,396
Speaker 1: Damn that must have been Bernard Edwards. Is ridiculous. Yeah,

690
00:37:12,556 --> 00:37:13,996
Speaker 1: of all the base places we talked about today, I

691
00:37:13,996 --> 00:37:16,196
Speaker 1: feel like he might be the most underappreciated.

692
00:37:16,276 --> 00:37:21,516
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, he's he's he's celebrated, though people do

693
00:37:21,636 --> 00:37:26,836
Speaker 2: celebrate Bernard. I feel I even feel like Queen that

694
00:37:28,556 --> 00:37:30,596
Speaker 2: I took a piece of another one by the dust

695
00:37:30,676 --> 00:37:31,556
Speaker 2: is from good times.

696
00:37:31,676 --> 00:37:32,476
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

697
00:37:32,716 --> 00:37:41,636
Speaker 2: Boom boom another one. Boom boom, don't don't that was smart.

698
00:37:41,716 --> 00:37:43,756
Speaker 2: That's a nice bite. That's a nice.

699
00:37:43,596 --> 00:37:47,156
Speaker 1: Little give me, can't be mad?

700
00:37:48,276 --> 00:37:50,276
Speaker 2: I love. I was like, oh, that's a nice bike.

701
00:37:50,796 --> 00:37:53,436
Speaker 1: Yeah, it stands out in the catalog though, it was like,

702
00:37:53,556 --> 00:37:59,116
Speaker 1: that's a that's it. How was tell me about the

703
00:37:59,116 --> 00:38:02,516
Speaker 1: Beyonce sessions, man, or how the work on that came

704
00:38:02,556 --> 00:38:06,116
Speaker 1: to be? Because I was you know, the singles were

705
00:38:06,636 --> 00:38:10,996
Speaker 1: were great, sixteen Carriages to my favorite of the early singles,

706
00:38:11,036 --> 00:38:12,396
Speaker 1: and I know you worked on both of those. But

707
00:38:12,436 --> 00:38:15,716
Speaker 1: then when the album came out, I was kind of

708
00:38:15,996 --> 00:38:19,916
Speaker 1: an American Uh uh what was the top? What's what's

709
00:38:19,956 --> 00:38:24,476
Speaker 1: the topic? American Requiem came on, I was like, yeah,

710
00:38:24,516 --> 00:38:26,356
Speaker 1: I gotta really listen because.

711
00:38:26,316 --> 00:38:30,276
Speaker 2: Well, they did a great job of like having the

712
00:38:30,356 --> 00:38:36,596
Speaker 2: right people in the room. You know. I always tell

713
00:38:36,636 --> 00:38:43,036
Speaker 2: people about Beyonce's uh her ear and her like. You know,

714
00:38:43,396 --> 00:38:45,756
Speaker 2: decision making is the most important thing you could be

715
00:38:45,796 --> 00:38:48,996
Speaker 2: as an artist. Somebody that tours, somebody that makes records,

716
00:38:49,036 --> 00:38:52,116
Speaker 2: somebody who knows their audience. So if you know your audience,

717
00:38:52,236 --> 00:38:55,516
Speaker 2: it's easy to have musicians in the room that you

718
00:38:55,716 --> 00:38:59,556
Speaker 2: think can push forward what you're trying to do. And

719
00:38:59,596 --> 00:39:06,196
Speaker 2: so for for me, you know, Dream was in the room,

720
00:39:06,276 --> 00:39:09,356
Speaker 2: a lot of great musicians. So we took songs and

721
00:39:09,396 --> 00:39:13,196
Speaker 2: I changed some songs around, you know, but then it

722
00:39:13,276 --> 00:39:15,476
Speaker 2: was great things on the record already, So I just

723
00:39:15,516 --> 00:39:18,876
Speaker 2: had a great It was almost like it was almost

724
00:39:18,916 --> 00:39:22,276
Speaker 2: like the all star team, you know, with people that

725
00:39:22,356 --> 00:39:26,716
Speaker 2: I didn't know, like the the banjo playing, you know,

726
00:39:26,796 --> 00:39:29,916
Speaker 2: with you know, yeah, random Giddings, Rani Guinness, who like

727
00:39:30,396 --> 00:39:32,796
Speaker 2: that record wouldn't be that record without her doing that.

728
00:39:32,796 --> 00:39:35,996
Speaker 2: That is amazing, right, So I think that's I just

729
00:39:36,076 --> 00:39:37,596
Speaker 2: I just think they a and already great. They had

730
00:39:37,596 --> 00:39:39,436
Speaker 2: a great team, They had great people.

731
00:39:39,796 --> 00:39:41,676
Speaker 1: Was that banjo part on there? But when you first

732
00:39:41,676 --> 00:39:42,636
Speaker 1: heard the song no.

733
00:39:44,036 --> 00:39:48,916
Speaker 2: No, but she knew like she wanted to have it

734
00:39:48,996 --> 00:39:52,036
Speaker 2: on the record, and you always want to always I

735
00:39:52,076 --> 00:39:55,876
Speaker 2: love working with people who know what they want. It

736
00:39:55,916 --> 00:39:58,596
Speaker 2: makes producing fun, you know, are being a part of

737
00:39:58,636 --> 00:39:59,276
Speaker 2: something fun.

738
00:40:00,436 --> 00:40:02,316
Speaker 1: What was the what was the ask of you? Like?

739
00:40:02,396 --> 00:40:05,156
Speaker 1: What was like? What what did you feel like you were?

740
00:40:06,036 --> 00:40:07,916
Speaker 1: Why was Yeah? Yeah?

741
00:40:07,996 --> 00:40:10,516
Speaker 2: I think I was in the room because is I

742
00:40:10,516 --> 00:40:18,276
Speaker 2: I take I'm coachable and I take instructions and I

743
00:40:18,316 --> 00:40:21,196
Speaker 2: can I can do what you ask me to do.

744
00:40:21,956 --> 00:40:23,996
Speaker 2: And I actually love what I do. And I love

745
00:40:24,076 --> 00:40:29,556
Speaker 2: actually knowing that somebody is gonna you dish them a dime,

746
00:40:30,316 --> 00:40:34,116
Speaker 2: they about to go dunk it. That's my inspiration for me.

747
00:40:34,196 --> 00:40:38,236
Speaker 2: I think they know, like you know, I could be

748
00:40:38,236 --> 00:40:40,276
Speaker 2: in a room and work with people, and it's it's

749
00:40:40,316 --> 00:40:43,796
Speaker 2: more about the camaraderie of working with others, you know,

750
00:40:43,876 --> 00:40:47,236
Speaker 2: and not being like I'm a producer instead of like no,

751
00:40:47,916 --> 00:40:50,716
Speaker 2: we're in a room, like we have instruments and we

752
00:40:51,156 --> 00:40:52,436
Speaker 2: it's time to get it done.

753
00:40:52,716 --> 00:40:53,396
Speaker 1: Yeah.

754
00:40:53,436 --> 00:40:55,836
Speaker 2: And I think that's why I was in the room

755
00:40:55,916 --> 00:40:59,716
Speaker 2: because I can play in many genres.

756
00:41:00,396 --> 00:41:02,036
Speaker 1: But you also played a lot of parts. So it's

757
00:41:02,076 --> 00:41:03,676
Speaker 1: like when you win there with your set, like you're

758
00:41:03,836 --> 00:41:07,236
Speaker 1: like musician, had on or producer like the dreams already,

759
00:41:07,276 --> 00:41:09,276
Speaker 1: like how do you how do you balance that? So

760
00:41:09,316 --> 00:41:09,836
Speaker 1: many people?

761
00:41:09,876 --> 00:41:13,076
Speaker 2: Man, I'm only well, sometimes I'm in the room by myself,

762
00:41:13,156 --> 00:41:15,076
Speaker 2: and some of the stuff I did here.

763
00:41:15,036 --> 00:41:17,436
Speaker 1: Like they like this, sent you stuff and whole sending

764
00:41:17,476 --> 00:41:18,396
Speaker 1: stuff too.

765
00:41:18,876 --> 00:41:22,396
Speaker 2: That was already like Bodyguard was pretty much a a

766
00:41:22,436 --> 00:41:25,796
Speaker 2: song that I did you know that you wrote that,

767
00:41:25,996 --> 00:41:26,996
Speaker 2: wrote that alone?

768
00:41:27,116 --> 00:41:29,876
Speaker 1: Because you do that, you're doing the count off Bodyguard.

769
00:41:30,556 --> 00:41:33,236
Speaker 2: Yeah, she kept the counting. Yeah, but I wasn't even

770
00:41:33,276 --> 00:41:35,876
Speaker 2: going to like play that song. I was going through

771
00:41:35,876 --> 00:41:37,596
Speaker 2: another song and she heard it and she said, what's that?

772
00:41:38,596 --> 00:41:41,316
Speaker 2: She got a air like that, And that's why I said,

773
00:41:41,836 --> 00:41:46,236
Speaker 2: not many artists could take a song like Bodyguard and

774
00:41:46,276 --> 00:41:48,436
Speaker 2: say I like this song and I want to make

775
00:41:48,556 --> 00:41:51,316
Speaker 2: a record. They wrote some different change some lyrics and

776
00:41:51,396 --> 00:41:56,316
Speaker 2: did different things. But it's only maybe two people I

777
00:41:56,396 --> 00:42:00,236
Speaker 2: know that takes some of the stuff that nobody would

778
00:42:00,276 --> 00:42:06,596
Speaker 2: take from me. That's that's Beyonce now in D'Angelo wow and.

779
00:42:06,756 --> 00:42:10,156
Speaker 1: Solange and right yeah, right, so lunch too.

780
00:42:10,276 --> 00:42:13,476
Speaker 2: Right, that'll take some like I wouldn't even play some

781
00:42:13,556 --> 00:42:15,596
Speaker 2: things for people because I know they might be like, oh,

782
00:42:15,676 --> 00:42:18,876
Speaker 2: that's just way too like you know, but you could,

783
00:42:18,956 --> 00:42:20,756
Speaker 2: you know, the great ones, the great ones want to

784
00:42:20,876 --> 00:42:21,876
Speaker 2: they want to dive in.

785
00:42:22,116 --> 00:42:25,316
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be right back with more from Rafael Saidik

786
00:42:25,756 --> 00:42:32,276
Speaker 1: after the break. Here's the rest of my conversation with

787
00:42:32,396 --> 00:42:35,836
Speaker 1: Rafael Sadik. He told me the story of Cranes in

788
00:42:35,876 --> 00:42:36,196
Speaker 1: the Sky.

789
00:42:36,636 --> 00:42:39,916
Speaker 2: Crans in the Sky was already eight years old. The

790
00:42:40,036 --> 00:42:44,276
Speaker 2: music was and I was really singing something in mine

791
00:42:45,276 --> 00:42:50,756
Speaker 2: it's what you do, it's a certain thing. Oh, that's

792
00:42:50,796 --> 00:42:53,556
Speaker 2: what I was doing, something crazy like that. And when

793
00:42:53,596 --> 00:42:55,916
Speaker 2: I mess the lunge. We were both doing these sixties

794
00:42:55,956 --> 00:42:58,436
Speaker 2: records at first, and then we were gonna hook up,

795
00:42:58,436 --> 00:43:02,276
Speaker 2: and I wanted her to write for me, with me,

796
00:43:02,436 --> 00:43:05,516
Speaker 2: for that song, for me, for me, for your album. Right,

797
00:43:05,596 --> 00:43:07,876
Speaker 2: So she had a copy of it, but I think

798
00:43:07,916 --> 00:43:10,596
Speaker 2: it had my vocal on it. But then she wrote

799
00:43:10,636 --> 00:43:15,036
Speaker 2: something for herself and it was years later, maybe a

800
00:43:15,036 --> 00:43:18,676
Speaker 2: few years later, but it was already eight years old,

801
00:43:19,476 --> 00:43:26,276
Speaker 2: and I didn't have a copy of it. I didn't

802
00:43:26,276 --> 00:43:27,236
Speaker 2: have a clean copy.

803
00:43:27,356 --> 00:43:28,836
Speaker 1: You gave her the actual like.

804
00:43:32,556 --> 00:43:34,956
Speaker 2: We never had a copy. Wow. So when she was

805
00:43:35,036 --> 00:43:39,196
Speaker 2: calling me asking me for a clean version with no lyrics,

806
00:43:39,236 --> 00:43:42,476
Speaker 2: I didn't have it. So a good friend of my, Conrad,

807
00:43:43,316 --> 00:43:46,516
Speaker 2: who lived up in Portland, as a videographer and he

808
00:43:46,596 --> 00:43:51,316
Speaker 2: sometimes takes my songs and and sort of makes short films,

809
00:43:52,116 --> 00:43:55,316
Speaker 2: and so I was talking to him about about he said,

810
00:43:55,316 --> 00:43:58,476
Speaker 2: you know, I have a copy of it on a

811
00:43:58,516 --> 00:44:04,956
Speaker 2: CD on a disc. So that's the only thing we had, because.

812
00:44:04,716 --> 00:44:08,116
Speaker 1: You would have sent it to him just to that.

813
00:44:08,196 --> 00:44:09,676
Speaker 1: Was it just so we could make a of a

814
00:44:09,676 --> 00:44:11,476
Speaker 1: film with it, or I like a little.

815
00:44:11,116 --> 00:44:13,916
Speaker 2: Short film shooting some friends and like, you know, just

816
00:44:14,236 --> 00:44:15,476
Speaker 2: some stuff on the street.

817
00:44:15,676 --> 00:44:16,996
Speaker 1: How the hell did he get on that list?

818
00:44:18,116 --> 00:44:18,916
Speaker 2: Yeah?

819
00:44:18,676 --> 00:44:18,876
Speaker 1: Yeah.

820
00:44:19,116 --> 00:44:22,076
Speaker 2: Conrad Montgomery, he's a he's a track and field coach.

821
00:44:22,116 --> 00:44:25,956
Speaker 2: He's a theod friend of our rogers and he we

822
00:44:26,076 --> 00:44:29,116
Speaker 2: run together. We run together. He taught me really how

823
00:44:29,156 --> 00:44:32,796
Speaker 2: to how to run. He's a track and field guy,

824
00:44:33,556 --> 00:44:38,436
Speaker 2: and he had it. And I said, the only only

825
00:44:38,476 --> 00:44:40,756
Speaker 2: one I have is it's on It's on a disc,

826
00:44:41,556 --> 00:44:46,076
Speaker 2: and so we that record is nothing separated. That's the

827
00:44:46,116 --> 00:44:46,956
Speaker 2: record that came out.

828
00:44:47,076 --> 00:44:48,996
Speaker 1: Wow, So you ripped it from that.

829
00:44:49,716 --> 00:44:51,996
Speaker 2: She's just saying over the just put that in pro

830
00:44:52,076 --> 00:44:57,516
Speaker 2: tools and sing over over top on the top of it. Wow. Yeah,

831
00:44:57,996 --> 00:45:01,596
Speaker 2: that's that's that's wild. So when it works, it works.

832
00:45:01,596 --> 00:45:03,636
Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't even I mean we I think they

833
00:45:03,676 --> 00:45:06,316
Speaker 2: compressed it and mixed it that way, like with compression

834
00:45:06,356 --> 00:45:09,276
Speaker 2: and make it, you know, but pretty much it was

835
00:45:09,596 --> 00:45:12,716
Speaker 2: you know, the bass was there, the drums was already there.

836
00:45:14,756 --> 00:45:17,076
Speaker 2: Melotron is is that melotron right there?

837
00:45:17,436 --> 00:45:17,756
Speaker 1: Wow?

838
00:45:18,956 --> 00:45:21,796
Speaker 2: And this is it has worked so it kind of

839
00:45:21,796 --> 00:45:26,476
Speaker 2: cracks and does some weird shit. So no melotron sounds

840
00:45:26,516 --> 00:45:29,356
Speaker 2: like that melotron because of that. So I never get

841
00:45:29,356 --> 00:45:33,236
Speaker 2: it fixed because of that. And but it was all

842
00:45:33,276 --> 00:45:37,396
Speaker 2: on that record. It was not anything recorded. The only

843
00:45:37,476 --> 00:45:39,836
Speaker 2: thing that that was recorded over was my nephew Dylan

844
00:45:39,876 --> 00:45:45,076
Speaker 2: played He played another he played an acoustic h an

845
00:45:45,156 --> 00:45:48,636
Speaker 2: upright piano or he played a grand py on top

846
00:45:48,676 --> 00:45:52,556
Speaker 2: of it. Didn't Cilancha added some like crazy like bail

847
00:45:52,756 --> 00:45:55,356
Speaker 2: was just like boom she added that. But everything else

848
00:45:55,436 --> 00:45:59,036
Speaker 2: was pretty much already multi tracked and could we couldn't

849
00:45:59,036 --> 00:45:59,796
Speaker 2: separate anything.

850
00:45:59,836 --> 00:46:01,356
Speaker 1: Did she record that here with you or did she

851
00:46:01,396 --> 00:46:02,516
Speaker 1: do it on her on her own?

852
00:46:03,516 --> 00:46:08,236
Speaker 2: Did she? I think she recorded creams here? Yeah?

853
00:46:08,476 --> 00:46:14,516
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's wild. That that's the origins man, you

854
00:46:14,556 --> 00:46:16,316
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that's a that's a that's

855
00:46:16,356 --> 00:46:19,716
Speaker 1: a Grammy winning project man, that you just was like

856
00:46:20,276 --> 00:46:22,436
Speaker 1: discarded with some track co. Yeah.

857
00:46:23,436 --> 00:46:27,036
Speaker 2: You just have to make music, and to make music

858
00:46:27,036 --> 00:46:29,236
Speaker 2: because I don't make music to to give to one,

859
00:46:29,396 --> 00:46:31,876
Speaker 2: to give to anyone I give. I make music to

860
00:46:31,876 --> 00:46:35,796
Speaker 2: sort of entertain myself because I love music that much

861
00:46:35,916 --> 00:46:38,676
Speaker 2: that I just want to hear it if I come

862
00:46:38,716 --> 00:46:40,396
Speaker 2: and if I come in the studio, I want to

863
00:46:40,396 --> 00:46:42,876
Speaker 2: hear music. Sometimes I come to the studio and I

864
00:46:42,876 --> 00:46:46,036
Speaker 2: don't even I don't even play any music. I just

865
00:46:46,716 --> 00:46:50,196
Speaker 2: I might play Madden or something like the Arcade, the

866
00:46:50,276 --> 00:46:53,916
Speaker 2: old one, like when Tom went like McNab was the quarterback.

867
00:46:54,156 --> 00:46:59,636
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, going back, Yeah so you played with Okay, yeah, McNab.

868
00:46:59,756 --> 00:47:04,356
Speaker 2: I play McNabb and then taroll Owens is the receiver.

869
00:47:04,636 --> 00:47:06,076
Speaker 2: He catches everything right out there.

870
00:47:06,876 --> 00:47:08,796
Speaker 1: You don't play you don't play with with with the Raiders.

871
00:47:09,796 --> 00:47:12,076
Speaker 2: Every blue Moon I played with the Raiders. The Raiders

872
00:47:12,156 --> 00:47:15,476
Speaker 2: wasn't that good that year, Okay, But sometimes, you know,

873
00:47:15,636 --> 00:47:16,876
Speaker 2: sometimes I play with the Reds.

874
00:47:16,916 --> 00:47:17,156
Speaker 1: I am.

875
00:47:17,196 --> 00:47:21,116
Speaker 2: I am definitely a Raiders fan. I'm a Raiders fan. No, no,

876
00:47:21,156 --> 00:47:22,996
Speaker 2: don't get it twisted. But I just if I'm playing

877
00:47:22,996 --> 00:47:24,036
Speaker 2: an arcade, I don't do it.

878
00:47:24,076 --> 00:47:25,796
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you gotta go with the Eagles on

879
00:47:25,836 --> 00:47:26,356
Speaker 1: that I got.

880
00:47:26,396 --> 00:47:27,956
Speaker 2: I gotta go with the Eagles. Or I have to

881
00:47:27,996 --> 00:47:30,876
Speaker 2: go with the best defense on that game. I would

882
00:47:30,916 --> 00:47:34,436
Speaker 2: say somebody like Rick Ross will probably say, no, that's

883
00:47:34,476 --> 00:47:37,116
Speaker 2: not true because I already's really good on the arcade.

884
00:47:37,876 --> 00:47:40,676
Speaker 2: I would say Green Bay. I like to play with

885
00:47:40,716 --> 00:47:43,956
Speaker 2: Green Bay Kansas City because they had Priest Holmes as

886
00:47:43,996 --> 00:47:46,756
Speaker 2: a running back at the time. So I just like

887
00:47:46,836 --> 00:47:48,956
Speaker 2: to play with the players to do special things.

888
00:47:48,996 --> 00:47:50,996
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know you're a video game guy.

889
00:47:51,796 --> 00:47:53,156
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have a video game.

890
00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:54,236
Speaker 1: You do.

891
00:47:54,356 --> 00:47:57,556
Speaker 2: Yeah, we may games. It's called Illphonic Wow, Illphonic with

892
00:47:57,676 --> 00:48:06,436
Speaker 2: the Friday the thirteen Friday, thirteenth State Ghostbusters. So my

893
00:48:06,516 --> 00:48:12,676
Speaker 2: engineer who recorded the Way I See It and and

894
00:48:12,756 --> 00:48:17,836
Speaker 2: Jimmie Lee he mixed it, and Storm Rolling. His name

895
00:48:17,876 --> 00:48:21,436
Speaker 2: is Chuck Brungard. So we started a video game company

896
00:48:22,276 --> 00:48:25,956
Speaker 2: almost twelve thirteen years ago because we were in the business.

897
00:48:25,956 --> 00:48:28,516
Speaker 2: We were just we were trying to like make records,

898
00:48:28,556 --> 00:48:32,236
Speaker 2: and we couldn't fit the system of you know, we

899
00:48:32,356 --> 00:48:34,476
Speaker 2: work on the record, they'd have somebody else mix it,

900
00:48:34,556 --> 00:48:37,756
Speaker 2: and it was just getting kind of weird. So I

901
00:48:38,156 --> 00:48:40,276
Speaker 2: came up with this idea to start a video game

902
00:48:40,316 --> 00:48:45,916
Speaker 2: company because it was a joke about it. What's the

903
00:48:45,956 --> 00:48:46,756
Speaker 2: death Jam game.

904
00:48:48,316 --> 00:48:49,356
Speaker 1: It's a death jam game.

905
00:48:49,516 --> 00:48:50,516
Speaker 2: It's a fight game.

906
00:48:51,116 --> 00:48:51,316
Speaker 1: Yeah.

907
00:48:51,356 --> 00:48:54,996
Speaker 2: It was The Rush, The Rush anyway, a friend worked

908
00:48:55,036 --> 00:48:56,556
Speaker 2: for the Coming. It was all these rappers and it

909
00:48:56,596 --> 00:48:59,396
Speaker 2: was a fight game. And I was like, I'm like,

910
00:48:59,436 --> 00:49:00,956
Speaker 2: you gotta build me in the game. And my friends like,

911
00:49:00,956 --> 00:49:02,516
Speaker 2: we don't put R and B people in the game.

912
00:49:02,636 --> 00:49:05,076
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna make my own game.

913
00:49:05,156 --> 00:49:10,316
Speaker 2: And I'm called the Ghetto Golf and and we just laugh.

914
00:49:10,396 --> 00:49:14,476
Speaker 2: And so when she left, my partner Chuck goes, you know,

915
00:49:14,476 --> 00:49:17,236
Speaker 2: if you really want to start a game company, you know,

916
00:49:17,276 --> 00:49:20,116
Speaker 2: that's what I do for I went to school for programming.

917
00:49:20,956 --> 00:49:22,716
Speaker 2: I'm saying, let's do it. Let's call it ill Phonic

918
00:49:22,796 --> 00:49:25,116
Speaker 2: because ill Matic is my favorite hip hop album, one

919
00:49:25,116 --> 00:49:28,396
Speaker 2: of them. So I called it ill Phonic. And then

920
00:49:28,396 --> 00:49:31,996
Speaker 2: maybe like the next month, we had like this test

921
00:49:32,196 --> 00:49:35,556
Speaker 2: game of Ghetto Golf. And from there we started taking

922
00:49:35,716 --> 00:49:39,076
Speaker 2: the publishers for about a year or two, and the

923
00:49:39,116 --> 00:49:42,276
Speaker 2: next thing we were you know, I was at all

924
00:49:42,316 --> 00:49:45,516
Speaker 2: the conference game conferences and I just kept put on

925
00:49:45,516 --> 00:49:49,436
Speaker 2: the law because I felt like gamers don't really care

926
00:49:49,476 --> 00:49:53,716
Speaker 2: about musicians having you know, having a game company. It's

927
00:49:53,716 --> 00:49:56,916
Speaker 2: about the gamer. It's about you know, the game playoff.

928
00:49:57,476 --> 00:49:59,796
Speaker 2: It's about them, it's not about me, it's not about Chuck.

929
00:50:00,596 --> 00:50:04,396
Speaker 2: And so then we kept going. Then we moved the

930
00:50:04,476 --> 00:50:08,876
Speaker 2: company to Denver, Colorado, and now it's in Colorado and

931
00:50:08,916 --> 00:50:13,476
Speaker 2: it's in Tacoma. Wow, it's still it's active, active right now?

932
00:50:13,556 --> 00:50:14,956
Speaker 1: What are you games you're developing?

933
00:50:17,996 --> 00:50:22,236
Speaker 2: Wow? I always always blow this title, and they will

934
00:50:22,396 --> 00:50:23,876
Speaker 2: kill me if I say this. I'm just not going

935
00:50:23,876 --> 00:50:26,436
Speaker 2: to say it because one time I spoke on the

936
00:50:26,476 --> 00:50:29,076
Speaker 2: game and I wasn't supposed to and it was like

937
00:50:29,156 --> 00:50:31,356
Speaker 2: I just blew up the world or something.

938
00:50:31,716 --> 00:50:34,196
Speaker 1: We don't we don't, don't got to go there. There.

939
00:50:34,516 --> 00:50:36,716
Speaker 1: Should revive the death Jam game. That sounds incredible.

940
00:50:38,356 --> 00:50:43,796
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good games in it. Yeah, yeah, runs.

941
00:50:46,116 --> 00:50:47,436
Speaker 2: I don't know, I can't think of the name of

942
00:50:47,436 --> 00:50:49,916
Speaker 2: the game. But I love games. But I played more

943
00:50:49,956 --> 00:50:53,956
Speaker 2: sports games than I do first person shooter games, which

944
00:50:53,996 --> 00:50:57,796
Speaker 2: I really want to start playing more first person shooter games.

945
00:50:57,796 --> 00:50:59,396
Speaker 2: I just you just got to put a lot of

946
00:50:59,436 --> 00:51:02,596
Speaker 2: time into that, you know, like learning, I'm still like

947
00:51:02,676 --> 00:51:04,716
Speaker 2: Call of Duty, I'm still getting blown up on the

948
00:51:04,756 --> 00:51:07,876
Speaker 2: first stage. I'm like, you gotta keep keep going. I

949
00:51:07,876 --> 00:51:11,676
Speaker 2: can't follow the I can't look at it. I can't

950
00:51:11,676 --> 00:51:13,396
Speaker 2: look at it and follow it. Yeah, so I think

951
00:51:13,436 --> 00:51:15,636
Speaker 2: I should just get better on piano instead of.

952
00:51:15,836 --> 00:51:17,156
Speaker 1: That's the better That's a better move man.

953
00:51:17,156 --> 00:51:18,276
Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna do.

954
00:51:18,316 --> 00:51:19,676
Speaker 1: That's about the time I got out of GANS. I

955
00:51:19,716 --> 00:51:21,156
Speaker 1: was like, well, I gotta spend like you know, I

956
00:51:21,156 --> 00:51:23,156
Speaker 1: got to train for the game. I'm like, man, I

957
00:51:23,156 --> 00:51:24,516
Speaker 1: can't really be involved with this.

958
00:51:24,876 --> 00:51:27,356
Speaker 2: I can't catch any passes on like Madden the New

959
00:51:27,436 --> 00:51:30,796
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's like just it just bounce off

960
00:51:30,836 --> 00:51:32,636
Speaker 2: my fingers. I'm like, is there a button? I'm always

961
00:51:32,636 --> 00:51:34,796
Speaker 2: asking kids, is there a button that the fingers do

962
00:51:34,996 --> 00:51:36,996
Speaker 2: like this to catch the ball because I can't. I

963
00:51:36,996 --> 00:51:40,196
Speaker 2: could do a short pass or screen, but if I'm

964
00:51:40,236 --> 00:51:41,596
Speaker 2: going for a bomb, it's like.

965
00:51:43,636 --> 00:51:46,996
Speaker 1: You gotta go to training camp, man. Yeah, it's too

966
00:51:47,036 --> 00:51:47,476
Speaker 1: much time.

967
00:51:47,676 --> 00:51:48,396
Speaker 2: That's too much time.

968
00:51:49,036 --> 00:51:50,236
Speaker 1: You know. I want to ask you. Speaking of you

969
00:51:50,476 --> 00:51:52,956
Speaker 1: brought up Omadic made me think of the Chronic because

970
00:51:53,076 --> 00:51:54,436
Speaker 1: I always think of those two albums in my mind

971
00:51:54,436 --> 00:51:58,516
Speaker 1: for some reason, different years, but just incredible debut rap albums. Right,

972
00:51:59,076 --> 00:52:03,676
Speaker 1: but Chronic two still still d r E still and

973
00:52:04,196 --> 00:52:09,676
Speaker 1: you did still Ray right, Yeah, on inadvantage. It feels

974
00:52:09,676 --> 00:52:10,836
Speaker 1: like a speaking of like a.

975
00:52:10,756 --> 00:52:13,996
Speaker 2: Good that was a great bike. Yeah, of course. I

976
00:52:14,076 --> 00:52:18,196
Speaker 2: mean I'm a huge Dre fan. You know. His name

977
00:52:18,236 --> 00:52:20,796
Speaker 2: is Dre, Mine is Ray, And I was like, hmm,

978
00:52:21,116 --> 00:52:23,316
Speaker 2: you know, Dre always have those lyrics and this is

979
00:52:23,316 --> 00:52:25,796
Speaker 2: the motherfucking thinks I get. I kind of feel like

980
00:52:25,836 --> 00:52:29,356
Speaker 2: Dre's sometimes so that's how you No, not really, but

981
00:52:29,596 --> 00:52:32,196
Speaker 2: I love that lyric and some motherfucking thinks I get.

982
00:52:32,876 --> 00:52:35,716
Speaker 2: But when that blink flink clink clink clink, I was like,

983
00:52:35,796 --> 00:52:38,676
Speaker 2: let's turn that into like a lotaby, like a pretty song.

984
00:52:38,756 --> 00:52:44,436
Speaker 2: That the hardest song that everybody's boo boom boom. I'm like,

985
00:52:44,476 --> 00:52:49,476
Speaker 2: let's turn that to sink. I'm coming bump too, you

986
00:52:49,476 --> 00:52:54,356
Speaker 2: you know. I'm like, let's flip it, let's put it

987
00:52:54,396 --> 00:52:58,476
Speaker 2: on his head and let's change it. I'm coming bump

988
00:52:58,596 --> 00:53:04,716
Speaker 2: to you wear something see through you know. Just happened

989
00:53:04,796 --> 00:53:09,836
Speaker 2: just really fast. Yeah, but that was definitely inspired by Did.

990
00:53:09,676 --> 00:53:10,756
Speaker 1: You hear from Dre on that?

991
00:53:12,316 --> 00:53:12,796
Speaker 2: Nah?

992
00:53:12,956 --> 00:53:14,356
Speaker 1: I bet he appreciates it though.

993
00:53:14,556 --> 00:53:17,356
Speaker 2: Oh no, definitely definitely got to Like, you know, Dre

994
00:53:17,556 --> 00:53:18,716
Speaker 2: is a music guy, you know.

995
00:53:19,116 --> 00:53:21,596
Speaker 1: And you'll both both worked with Don Robinson.

996
00:53:21,596 --> 00:53:24,516
Speaker 2: We both did Yeah, Vogue, we both did Yeah. We

997
00:53:24,596 --> 00:53:29,516
Speaker 2: both have stories. Okay working with good stories good stories.

998
00:53:31,116 --> 00:53:34,076
Speaker 1: Can you share what you can? It's the one you can.

999
00:53:35,036 --> 00:53:36,476
Speaker 1: Did you know in Vogue from Oakland?

1000
00:53:37,156 --> 00:53:37,796
Speaker 2: I did?

1001
00:53:38,476 --> 00:53:39,556
Speaker 1: They are I feel like.

1002
00:53:40,436 --> 00:53:46,316
Speaker 2: I mean beautiful, some of the nicest people, and we

1003
00:53:46,356 --> 00:53:48,916
Speaker 2: sort of came from the same camp with Denzel Foster

1004
00:53:49,036 --> 00:53:51,116
Speaker 2: and Tommy Tommy Thomas McElroy.

1005
00:53:51,676 --> 00:53:54,316
Speaker 1: Which did they did I got five on it?

1006
00:53:54,356 --> 00:53:57,516
Speaker 2: They did, I got five on it. They did lean

1007
00:53:57,596 --> 00:54:03,676
Speaker 2: on me with Club Club Nouveau, they did, I mean

1008
00:54:03,756 --> 00:54:09,556
Speaker 2: situation situation number nine for Club Nouveau and that's just

1009
00:54:09,676 --> 00:54:14,996
Speaker 2: five on it. But they did Engine number nine. They

1010
00:54:15,116 --> 00:54:17,916
Speaker 2: just uh they and they signed us. Came the Tony's

1011
00:54:17,956 --> 00:54:21,716
Speaker 2: went through tough enough production, they found us, they signed us.

1012
00:54:21,836 --> 00:54:24,556
Speaker 2: I didn't know that they're responsible for they had the

1013
00:54:24,596 --> 00:54:26,476
Speaker 2: reason why I'm sitting here talking to you.

1014
00:54:26,716 --> 00:54:26,996
Speaker 1: Wow.

1015
00:54:27,436 --> 00:54:29,596
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still talk to him. I mean I talked

1016
00:54:29,636 --> 00:54:32,036
Speaker 2: to him pretty much, you know, a couple of times

1017
00:54:32,036 --> 00:54:36,476
Speaker 2: a month. You know, Denny. Denny's a golfer. He plays golf,

1018
00:54:36,516 --> 00:54:39,156
Speaker 2: so he tries to get me out there and playing golf.

1019
00:54:41,476 --> 00:54:45,916
Speaker 2: I'm not good, but I'm trying, and Tommy is just uh, Tommy.

1020
00:54:46,076 --> 00:54:49,236
Speaker 2: Tommy started, he started fighting. He became a fighter. He

1021
00:54:49,636 --> 00:54:53,196
Speaker 2: always had he was always a martial arts guy, and

1022
00:54:53,196 --> 00:54:55,716
Speaker 2: then I think he became what he called he was

1023
00:54:56,676 --> 00:54:57,636
Speaker 2: a martial arts fighter.

1024
00:54:57,636 --> 00:54:58,436
Speaker 1: He was fighting.

1025
00:54:58,556 --> 00:55:02,156
Speaker 2: Yeah, he started doing that. He said, he got hit

1026
00:55:02,196 --> 00:55:03,436
Speaker 2: really hard and he stopped.

1027
00:55:04,276 --> 00:55:05,956
Speaker 1: That's a good reason to stop. That's why I never

1028
00:55:06,036 --> 00:55:07,676
Speaker 1: started with that.

1029
00:55:08,196 --> 00:55:11,996
Speaker 2: And yeah and yeah, but those guys I'm really responsible for,

1030
00:55:12,996 --> 00:55:16,236
Speaker 2: you know. So that's how your career, that's how we

1031
00:55:16,276 --> 00:55:19,156
Speaker 2: got to Mercury. Wow, that's how we got there. To

1032
00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,596
Speaker 2: those guys, and I'm I'm lucky to have them in

1033
00:55:22,676 --> 00:55:25,516
Speaker 2: my in my you know, my career, because I learned

1034
00:55:25,516 --> 00:55:30,596
Speaker 2: a lot. But just by listening to them.

1035
00:55:28,956 --> 00:55:34,476
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Man. How how was the tour with the Tony's.

1036
00:55:34,476 --> 00:55:36,996
Speaker 2: The tour, but the Tonys was amazing. It was definitely

1037
00:55:37,036 --> 00:55:40,356
Speaker 2: a bucket list. We you know, we took the phones.

1038
00:55:41,676 --> 00:55:42,556
Speaker 2: I took the phones.

1039
00:55:43,436 --> 00:55:45,516
Speaker 1: You took the phones away from from the audience.

1040
00:55:45,756 --> 00:55:47,916
Speaker 2: And because I wanted the audience to have a good

1041
00:55:47,916 --> 00:55:50,116
Speaker 2: time the way that I've seen like the old Jays.

1042
00:55:50,156 --> 00:55:51,796
Speaker 2: I didn't have a phone when I was a kid,

1043
00:55:52,836 --> 00:55:55,716
Speaker 2: and That's where I learned. I feel like not having

1044
00:55:55,756 --> 00:56:00,356
Speaker 2: a phone, and you know, and you're actually sitting with

1045
00:56:00,436 --> 00:56:03,436
Speaker 2: your friend or your mate and you you're singing, they're

1046
00:56:03,516 --> 00:56:08,436
Speaker 2: dancing with each other, and you know, you're giving people

1047
00:56:08,476 --> 00:56:11,876
Speaker 2: a moment of freedom that they don't that they don't

1048
00:56:11,956 --> 00:56:15,796
Speaker 2: they don't know that they actually lost you know, nobody knows,

1049
00:56:15,876 --> 00:56:17,076
Speaker 2: you know, were attached to our phones.

1050
00:56:17,156 --> 00:56:19,036
Speaker 1: No one remembers life before a phone man.

1051
00:56:19,236 --> 00:56:22,276
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And you're not actually doing anything with

1052
00:56:22,276 --> 00:56:26,436
Speaker 2: the videos anyway, Like you just want to show your

1053
00:56:26,476 --> 00:56:30,396
Speaker 2: friends that you were at the show. But it's better

1054
00:56:30,436 --> 00:56:34,516
Speaker 2: that you watched the show and it's entirety like black,

1055
00:56:34,556 --> 00:56:37,356
Speaker 2: we rehearsed, you know. So it was. It was. It

1056
00:56:37,396 --> 00:56:40,196
Speaker 2: was amazing. Though the songs are fun as single. It

1057
00:56:40,236 --> 00:56:43,236
Speaker 2: was great to be around my brother and Tim and

1058
00:56:43,236 --> 00:56:46,356
Speaker 2: and you know, introduced some new musicians like Sharky who

1059
00:56:46,396 --> 00:56:49,596
Speaker 2: play guitar for us, who helped me out tremendously to

1060
00:56:49,596 --> 00:56:50,476
Speaker 2: put the show together.

1061
00:56:54,436 --> 00:56:55,036
Speaker 1: It was.

1062
00:56:55,116 --> 00:56:57,876
Speaker 2: It was amazing. It was having an out of body,

1063
00:56:57,956 --> 00:57:00,916
Speaker 2: like an out of body experience like more of like

1064
00:57:01,836 --> 00:57:06,676
Speaker 2: I feel like I felt my ancestors talking to me,

1065
00:57:08,276 --> 00:57:12,676
Speaker 2: especially in Mens Memphis. Was this we played at this

1066
00:57:15,556 --> 00:57:17,836
Speaker 2: in this venue that just felt it was packed, like

1067
00:57:17,876 --> 00:57:20,236
Speaker 2: it was like it was like black people from the

1068
00:57:20,316 --> 00:57:24,436
Speaker 2: front to the back. And we haven't played I haven't

1069
00:57:24,436 --> 00:57:26,316
Speaker 2: played the audience with all black people in a long

1070
00:57:26,396 --> 00:57:30,996
Speaker 2: time really, because my audience is very diverse, you know,

1071
00:57:31,196 --> 00:57:32,076
Speaker 2: over the years.

1072
00:57:31,836 --> 00:57:33,356
Speaker 1: As a solo artist, you feel like as.

1073
00:57:33,276 --> 00:57:36,436
Speaker 2: A solo artist, it's just got very diverse. But this

1074
00:57:36,436 --> 00:57:39,556
Speaker 2: this audience was black from the front to the back.

1075
00:57:39,876 --> 00:57:42,596
Speaker 2: Man in the South was everywhere. It was a few

1076
00:57:42,596 --> 00:57:45,796
Speaker 2: different people in different places, but it just felt like

1077
00:57:45,836 --> 00:57:50,356
Speaker 2: this whole because nobody had the phone. You could you

1078
00:57:50,596 --> 00:57:52,276
Speaker 2: could look at me and I could look at you.

1079
00:57:52,716 --> 00:57:56,036
Speaker 2: So it's probably different for artists. Really doesn't don't know

1080
00:57:56,076 --> 00:57:59,436
Speaker 2: how that feels anymore to have a phone, to have

1081
00:57:59,556 --> 00:58:03,596
Speaker 2: a you know, five thousand people looking right at you

1082
00:58:03,996 --> 00:58:04,316
Speaker 2: and not.

1083
00:58:04,316 --> 00:58:07,036
Speaker 1: A phone, and you're you're the main main thing.

1084
00:58:07,196 --> 00:58:09,956
Speaker 2: So I think we we we share something that we

1085
00:58:10,076 --> 00:58:12,636
Speaker 2: both haven't had in a long time. So it brought

1086
00:58:12,636 --> 00:58:17,556
Speaker 2: out this energy of these spirits and energies that I

1087
00:58:17,596 --> 00:58:20,756
Speaker 2: felt like most of the time I was I felt

1088
00:58:20,796 --> 00:58:22,796
Speaker 2: like I felt like it didn't even happen. It was

1089
00:58:22,836 --> 00:58:25,956
Speaker 2: just so you know, every moment we could take our

1090
00:58:25,996 --> 00:58:28,756
Speaker 2: time you could walk off. We had an intermission. People

1091
00:58:28,836 --> 00:58:31,956
Speaker 2: were very patient. You know, it felt like it was

1092
00:58:31,996 --> 00:58:34,316
Speaker 2: like a house party, like we were all together in

1093
00:58:34,396 --> 00:58:37,076
Speaker 2: this house party, and it was just everybody at the

1094
00:58:37,116 --> 00:58:39,156
Speaker 2: good time. They were talking, they were hugging, he was kissing,

1095
00:58:39,156 --> 00:58:41,716
Speaker 2: and sometimes the audience wasn't even looking at me. They was,

1096
00:58:41,836 --> 00:58:44,396
Speaker 2: you know, talking to their girl and she's talking to

1097
00:58:44,436 --> 00:58:47,636
Speaker 2: her men. They wasn't. They was just enjoying it, thinking

1098
00:58:47,636 --> 00:58:49,756
Speaker 2: about the times when they heard this music for the

1099
00:58:49,756 --> 00:58:53,076
Speaker 2: first time, and everybody was sort of reflecting on they

1100
00:58:53,076 --> 00:58:56,076
Speaker 2: may have lost people in the family, and it had

1101
00:58:56,156 --> 00:59:00,516
Speaker 2: this real deep feeling that I just never I never felt.

1102
00:59:01,196 --> 00:59:03,156
Speaker 2: And so it was funny when there was anybody of

1103
00:59:03,276 --> 00:59:06,236
Speaker 2: any other, you know, if they're somebody whiter some at

1104
00:59:06,236 --> 00:59:09,116
Speaker 2: the shows, it almost felt like a Malcolm X rally.

1105
00:59:09,156 --> 00:59:11,396
Speaker 2: It felt like it was this Cia. It felt like

1106
00:59:11,436 --> 00:59:13,556
Speaker 2: a movie. I'm like, this is sit out of my market.

1107
00:59:15,396 --> 00:59:18,316
Speaker 2: But but then as we got closer to San Francisco,

1108
00:59:18,596 --> 00:59:21,796
Speaker 2: it got more diverse. Okay, people came out.

1109
00:59:21,996 --> 00:59:23,116
Speaker 1: You got the Paramount in.

1110
00:59:23,556 --> 00:59:26,196
Speaker 2: We played the Paramount and then we played I Forgot.

1111
00:59:26,196 --> 00:59:27,916
Speaker 2: We played in San Francisco some.

1112
00:59:28,676 --> 00:59:31,276
Speaker 1: Hall, Wharf Field do you play the war Field.

1113
00:59:31,316 --> 00:59:33,116
Speaker 2: Didn't play the war field. We played. They played inside.

1114
00:59:33,196 --> 00:59:36,796
Speaker 2: It was raining hard outside. But yo, I've never played

1115
00:59:36,836 --> 00:59:39,316
Speaker 2: the Paramount ever. This is my That was my first

1116
00:59:39,356 --> 00:59:42,076
Speaker 2: time playing the Paramount, and it was really good to

1117
00:59:42,076 --> 00:59:43,436
Speaker 2: bring it home. We brought it home.

1118
00:59:43,716 --> 00:59:46,076
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful theater in Oakland. It was beautiful.

1119
00:59:46,196 --> 00:59:50,996
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so the experience was it was amazing.

1120
00:59:51,116 --> 00:59:55,436
Speaker 2: I just felt like we needed to give people, you know,

1121
00:59:55,476 --> 00:59:57,196
Speaker 2: give it back to them one more time, something that

1122
00:59:57,236 --> 00:59:59,316
Speaker 2: they gave to us. They gave us the gift to

1123
00:59:59,316 --> 01:00:01,076
Speaker 2: to like our music and to like what we were

1124
01:00:01,116 --> 01:00:03,236
Speaker 2: doing because we didn't know what we were doing this,

1125
01:00:03,396 --> 01:00:06,116
Speaker 2: you know, just kids making music with a record deal,

1126
01:00:06,756 --> 01:00:12,356
Speaker 2: and we were able to put our some test, some

1127
01:00:12,516 --> 01:00:14,716
Speaker 2: tests of the time, music that people still listen to.

1128
01:00:14,956 --> 01:00:16,716
Speaker 1: I mean, how did it feel for you guys to

1129
01:00:17,116 --> 01:00:20,436
Speaker 1: do it, because because I mean, I feel like and

1130
01:00:20,436 --> 01:00:22,036
Speaker 1: I guess there's two ways of thinking about it. When

1131
01:00:22,076 --> 01:00:25,036
Speaker 1: you guys broke up, if that's what y'all want to

1132
01:00:25,076 --> 01:00:26,636
Speaker 1: call it. After House of Music, I feel like you

1133
01:00:26,676 --> 01:00:29,156
Speaker 1: guys kind of went out on top, like the House

1134
01:00:29,156 --> 01:00:30,996
Speaker 1: of Music, Like I love all the records. House music

1135
01:00:31,116 --> 01:00:34,556
Speaker 1: is like falling away from me my favorite record of y'all's,

1136
01:00:35,356 --> 01:00:37,916
Speaker 1: and it's like, damn, there's probably so much more y'all

1137
01:00:37,916 --> 01:00:40,156
Speaker 1: could have done. Or maybe it was the right time.

1138
01:00:40,156 --> 01:00:41,836
Speaker 1: I don't so, I don't know, but y'all left like

1139
01:00:41,876 --> 01:00:44,556
Speaker 1: on top for sure. Yeah we did, I mean so

1140
01:00:44,836 --> 01:00:47,196
Speaker 1: to get together, like you know, twenty years later, Like

1141
01:00:47,236 --> 01:00:49,196
Speaker 1: how did that feel for you? Guys?

1142
01:00:50,676 --> 01:00:53,076
Speaker 2: It felt because we rehearsed right in this room. We

1143
01:00:53,116 --> 01:00:57,196
Speaker 2: rehearsed here, and it felt good to see everybody in

1144
01:00:57,196 --> 01:01:00,436
Speaker 2: the room and you know, like playing those songs live,

1145
01:01:00,636 --> 01:01:05,916
Speaker 2: no no back tracks, just it felt really good. It

1146
01:01:05,956 --> 01:01:09,316
Speaker 2: was more for me, like the nieces and nephew as

1147
01:01:09,396 --> 01:01:12,756
Speaker 2: family members too, you know, and from my father, who's

1148
01:01:12,996 --> 01:01:16,196
Speaker 2: not loving anymore. He would have wanted us to do that,

1149
01:01:16,796 --> 01:01:20,796
Speaker 2: and I really wanted to. He said something to me

1150
01:01:20,876 --> 01:01:26,716
Speaker 2: before about you know, how to look at things, you know,

1151
01:01:26,796 --> 01:01:28,436
Speaker 2: no matter what you think they are, how you look

1152
01:01:28,476 --> 01:01:31,156
Speaker 2: at them, and you know, and you how you want

1153
01:01:31,156 --> 01:01:35,276
Speaker 2: to be perceived. And I wanted to be perceived as

1154
01:01:35,556 --> 01:01:38,076
Speaker 2: I wanted to get people what they wanted because when

1155
01:01:38,116 --> 01:01:40,716
Speaker 2: we were younger, Yeah, we blew it. We we broke up,

1156
01:01:40,796 --> 01:01:44,196
Speaker 2: you know, we we we didn't we didn't we didn't

1157
01:01:44,276 --> 01:01:47,636
Speaker 2: run it. I left, you know, I left the group.

1158
01:01:48,996 --> 01:01:50,516
Speaker 2: But it was the perfect time for me to leave

1159
01:01:50,556 --> 01:01:53,516
Speaker 2: the group. I mean, I didn't want to be a member.

1160
01:01:53,756 --> 01:01:57,116
Speaker 2: I always have these stories about Eddie Kendricks, one of

1161
01:01:57,116 --> 01:01:59,836
Speaker 2: my favorite people, you know, and he it was hard

1162
01:01:59,836 --> 01:02:03,556
Speaker 2: for him to leave the Temptations. I'm guessing right. It's

1163
01:02:03,596 --> 01:02:07,276
Speaker 2: such a big group, such big staple, stable songs or

1164
01:02:08,436 --> 01:02:10,596
Speaker 2: and like you know Richerally leaving the Commodorees. You know,

1165
01:02:10,636 --> 01:02:15,316
Speaker 2: he had big, huge compositions, and I didn't want to

1166
01:02:15,356 --> 01:02:20,276
Speaker 2: get stuck being a just a group guy. I felt

1167
01:02:20,276 --> 01:02:22,956
Speaker 2: like I had more to offer and I had ideas

1168
01:02:23,356 --> 01:02:27,116
Speaker 2: of how I wanted to do things. And I wasn't

1169
01:02:27,156 --> 01:02:30,356
Speaker 2: like the band leader guy who could tell people, you know,

1170
01:02:30,716 --> 01:02:32,516
Speaker 2: this is how it's going to go, just do what

1171
01:02:32,556 --> 01:02:34,956
Speaker 2: I say. So that was better for me to step

1172
01:02:34,996 --> 01:02:39,636
Speaker 2: off and just and just try and you know, and see.

1173
01:02:39,716 --> 01:02:40,476
Speaker 1: What I was going to do.

1174
01:02:40,476 --> 01:02:43,236
Speaker 2: I wanted to work with other people. I just wanted

1175
01:02:43,236 --> 01:02:46,716
Speaker 2: to play music, you know, and see if I could

1176
01:02:47,356 --> 01:02:49,276
Speaker 2: copy these these legends that I loved.

1177
01:02:49,436 --> 01:02:50,916
Speaker 1: He didn't feel like you could do both, like you

1178
01:02:50,956 --> 01:02:52,036
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that was.

1179
01:02:53,276 --> 01:02:55,916
Speaker 2: Nah nah no, I just I just came home one

1180
01:02:55,956 --> 01:02:59,516
Speaker 2: day and was like, just buy some Seatson tickets to

1181
01:02:59,516 --> 01:03:03,596
Speaker 2: the Sacramento Kings. And I did, and I met Brian Grant,

1182
01:03:03,916 --> 01:03:05,876
Speaker 2: who became one of my best friends to this day.

1183
01:03:06,996 --> 01:03:09,276
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to, you know, he was I

1184
01:03:09,276 --> 01:03:13,476
Speaker 2: had a detail shop up there, and so the Kings

1185
01:03:13,556 --> 01:03:15,796
Speaker 2: cars will come there, different cars will come there. People

1186
01:03:15,836 --> 01:03:16,476
Speaker 2: will come there.

1187
01:03:16,996 --> 01:03:18,716
Speaker 1: But so you got the season tickets just as like

1188
01:03:18,756 --> 01:03:20,956
Speaker 1: A I can't go. I can't, I can't book nothing

1189
01:03:20,956 --> 01:03:23,516
Speaker 1: because I no.

1190
01:03:23,556 --> 01:03:26,316
Speaker 2: I just I got When I decided I was leaving

1191
01:03:26,316 --> 01:03:29,836
Speaker 2: the group, I just decided I just moved the Sacramentos

1192
01:03:30,156 --> 01:03:34,476
Speaker 2: new and Sacramento bought this house. There was nothing to do,

1193
01:03:34,556 --> 01:03:37,196
Speaker 2: and I was like, it's not shit to doing Sacramento,

1194
01:03:38,956 --> 01:03:42,076
Speaker 2: but louts a strip bar or lots a game.

1195
01:03:42,276 --> 01:03:45,996
Speaker 1: So I did both and season tickets.

1196
01:03:46,756 --> 01:03:50,316
Speaker 2: No, not season tickets, but not season tickets. But I

1197
01:03:50,356 --> 01:03:51,836
Speaker 2: mean that's where I was like, you just hear a

1198
01:03:51,876 --> 01:03:53,956
Speaker 2: lot of Metallica and Sacramental strip bars.

1199
01:03:53,996 --> 01:03:57,796
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's dude, that's always a Metallica.

1200
01:03:57,836 --> 01:04:01,156
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh yeah, this is cool Metallica. There.

1201
01:04:01,276 --> 01:04:02,796
Speaker 2: Nikki's coming up right now.

1202
01:04:02,956 --> 01:04:03,516
Speaker 1: Guys.

1203
01:04:03,956 --> 01:04:08,436
Speaker 2: The Metallican truck drivers and there was a Sacramento Kings

1204
01:04:08,596 --> 01:04:11,956
Speaker 2: and then and so people was asking Brian for tickets

1205
01:04:11,996 --> 01:04:14,636
Speaker 2: all the time. You know, he had a family's me,

1206
01:04:14,636 --> 01:04:17,476
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get my own tickets, and that's what I did.

1207
01:04:17,516 --> 01:04:22,636
Speaker 2: I ended up watching more basketball, watching more sports, and

1208
01:04:23,956 --> 01:04:26,316
Speaker 2: and then I only worked on two artists at that

1209
01:04:26,396 --> 01:04:32,556
Speaker 2: time was Diangelove's Lady and Total Kissing You Puffy scrowl HM.

1210
01:04:33,156 --> 01:04:35,476
Speaker 2: Other than that, I didn't do much work for a

1211
01:04:35,556 --> 01:04:36,556
Speaker 2: couple few years.

1212
01:04:36,796 --> 01:04:39,476
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting to you you compared because like

1213
01:04:39,836 --> 01:04:42,196
Speaker 1: you compare yourself to Eddie Kendricks too, because there are

1214
01:04:42,236 --> 01:04:43,996
Speaker 1: some times listening to Tony Tony to that when you

1215
01:04:43,996 --> 01:04:46,556
Speaker 1: when you and your brother like trade vocals, it's almost

1216
01:04:46,596 --> 01:04:50,076
Speaker 1: like a Rough and Kendrick kind of like just the

1217
01:04:50,156 --> 01:04:51,476
Speaker 1: way y'all sound sometimes, you know.

1218
01:04:51,476 --> 01:04:55,076
Speaker 2: What I mean, because I always felt like, you know,

1219
01:04:55,156 --> 01:04:59,716
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm watching sports shows, sometimes people scream too much,

1220
01:04:59,756 --> 01:05:04,716
Speaker 2: like if I'm watching, if I'm watching I'm watching First Take,

1221
01:05:05,236 --> 01:05:07,476
Speaker 2: I call First Take First Baptist cause it sounds like church.

1222
01:05:07,876 --> 01:05:10,556
Speaker 2: It sounded like like tachers. They all sound like preachers.

1223
01:05:12,596 --> 01:05:14,276
Speaker 2: But I love the show. I love the show. And

1224
01:05:14,316 --> 01:05:18,756
Speaker 2: then I listened to I'll go to like, uh, it's

1225
01:05:18,796 --> 01:05:21,956
Speaker 2: it called uh, it's called first things or something.

1226
01:05:22,316 --> 01:05:25,036
Speaker 1: First things, first thing, first first, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1227
01:05:25,076 --> 01:05:27,796
Speaker 2: Their voices are too high. It's just like no, and

1228
01:05:27,836 --> 01:05:30,356
Speaker 2: it's just irritates the hell out of me. And then

1229
01:05:31,236 --> 01:05:37,316
Speaker 2: let's get bayless. I can't take skips at all. But

1230
01:05:37,396 --> 01:05:40,156
Speaker 2: who was? No, who was on the show? I like

1231
01:05:40,476 --> 01:05:44,396
Speaker 2: the Skip show Wayne on the receiver. Oh you're talking

1232
01:05:44,436 --> 01:05:47,516
Speaker 2: about You're just blanking out on his name. That's terrible

1233
01:05:47,516 --> 01:05:48,956
Speaker 2: because he's my favorite guy.

1234
01:05:49,156 --> 01:05:50,036
Speaker 1: He just joined the last year.

1235
01:05:50,076 --> 01:05:50,716
Speaker 2: But I can't.

1236
01:05:51,076 --> 01:05:52,436
Speaker 1: It's great, great commentator. I can't.

1237
01:05:52,516 --> 01:05:56,716
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he makes Skip show good. But I'm really

1238
01:05:56,796 --> 01:05:57,596
Speaker 2: calling herd guy.

1239
01:05:58,236 --> 01:06:00,476
Speaker 1: You're calling her guy. I know. I can't deal with

1240
01:06:00,956 --> 01:06:05,516
Speaker 1: I feel about calling I like Skip. Bas reminds me

1241
01:06:05,636 --> 01:06:07,676
Speaker 1: like wrestling, like.

1242
01:06:07,996 --> 01:06:10,236
Speaker 2: Colin is right because you know why, because Colin got

1243
01:06:10,236 --> 01:06:13,876
Speaker 2: it right. Because Colin is no debating. He'll ask the question,

1244
01:06:14,276 --> 01:06:17,116
Speaker 2: he debates himself. No, but yeah, but when he brings

1245
01:06:17,156 --> 01:06:18,276
Speaker 2: he brings on great guests.

1246
01:06:18,356 --> 01:06:20,236
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and he doesn't if I.

1247
01:06:20,196 --> 01:06:22,996
Speaker 2: Ask you a question and then when you answer the question,

1248
01:06:23,036 --> 01:06:25,876
Speaker 2: he goes to the next subject. He don't debate you

1249
01:06:26,356 --> 01:06:31,036
Speaker 2: like that. He doesn't debate you, right, So back to

1250
01:06:31,116 --> 01:06:35,116
Speaker 2: me and Dwayne. Yes, I think my voice is irritating sometimes, right,

1251
01:06:35,196 --> 01:06:37,956
Speaker 2: So it was great to have me and Dwayne going

1252
01:06:37,996 --> 01:06:40,156
Speaker 2: back and forth. And that's the way I see those

1253
01:06:40,196 --> 01:06:42,876
Speaker 2: talk shows, those game shows. You need different people with

1254
01:06:42,916 --> 01:06:45,636
Speaker 2: different voices because some voice might irritate you. My voices

1255
01:06:45,796 --> 01:06:49,836
Speaker 2: is high and sometimes people it's it could be irritating.

1256
01:06:49,836 --> 01:06:53,556
Speaker 2: It's too high, it's too But when Dwayne comes in,

1257
01:06:53,876 --> 01:06:56,236
Speaker 2: it just levels me off and gives me the confidence.

1258
01:06:56,916 --> 01:06:59,516
Speaker 2: You know. It's like, I don't want to say this,

1259
01:06:59,596 --> 01:07:04,236
Speaker 2: but like you Michael and Michael and Jermaine, it wor right. Yeah, yeah,

1260
01:07:04,396 --> 01:07:07,436
Speaker 2: so those talk shows. Yeah, I think Colin is the

1261
01:07:07,556 --> 01:07:08,476
Speaker 2: man bro cool?

1262
01:07:09,196 --> 01:07:12,356
Speaker 1: Can I can't? Man? You like skip over? Collin skips

1263
01:07:12,396 --> 01:07:16,236
Speaker 1: funny to me, skip just crack. It's like, it's so ridiculous.

1264
01:07:16,596 --> 01:07:19,156
Speaker 1: He's like Trump almost yeah.

1265
01:07:19,196 --> 01:07:20,476
Speaker 2: But okay, but.

1266
01:07:24,516 --> 01:07:29,076
Speaker 1: Listen, you're not wrong, you're right. But here's the thing, Like, Okay,

1267
01:07:29,276 --> 01:07:32,196
Speaker 1: I might regret putting this on on Wax, but Trump

1268
01:07:32,236 --> 01:07:34,156
Speaker 1: is actually kind of funny. It's just that he's just

1269
01:07:34,156 --> 01:07:35,396
Speaker 1: that he's.

1270
01:07:34,876 --> 01:07:36,916
Speaker 2: Like Bush is funnier.

1271
01:07:38,436 --> 01:07:40,516
Speaker 1: Come on, they're both pretty funny.

1272
01:07:40,796 --> 01:07:42,996
Speaker 2: No, he's just Trump is just ridiculous.

1273
01:07:43,076 --> 01:07:46,036
Speaker 1: Trump. Well, you know what's ridiculous? This really ain't funny.

1274
01:07:46,076 --> 01:07:48,116
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun. It's in the dark way that

1275
01:07:48,196 --> 01:07:50,916
Speaker 1: you think about George Bush started the Iraq War, all

1276
01:07:50,956 --> 01:07:54,036
Speaker 1: those veterans people, Dad Main terrible and now he's just

1277
01:07:54,076 --> 01:07:57,876
Speaker 1: sitting there at home painting and he's good. Bro, Like what.

1278
01:07:59,956 --> 01:08:02,396
Speaker 2: Because now he's painting, Like look at this motherfucker. You

1279
01:08:02,396 --> 01:08:06,596
Speaker 2: guys got out? Yeah, Like, whatever choice do you have?

1280
01:08:06,716 --> 01:08:10,276
Speaker 2: Like most people I know, like a voting and who

1281
01:08:10,276 --> 01:08:12,636
Speaker 2: wants to vote Trump? If you wouldn't think and everybody

1282
01:08:12,716 --> 01:08:14,716
Speaker 2: want to save money on taxes, but I want to

1283
01:08:14,716 --> 01:08:16,436
Speaker 2: save money on taxes too. But I'm like, if that's

1284
01:08:16,436 --> 01:08:19,876
Speaker 2: gonna be lose the money, I.

1285
01:08:19,836 --> 01:08:21,916
Speaker 1: Would rather lose money than yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah.

1286
01:08:21,956 --> 01:08:23,156
Speaker 2: But Skip is definitely Trump.

1287
01:08:23,196 --> 01:08:24,676
Speaker 1: He is, but he's not trying to run the country.

1288
01:08:24,676 --> 01:08:26,156
Speaker 1: That's what I appreciate about it, you know what I mean,

1289
01:08:26,276 --> 01:08:26,916
Speaker 1: just trying to push.

1290
01:08:27,556 --> 01:08:30,316
Speaker 2: Comes in with a ready package, like you say something,

1291
01:08:30,356 --> 01:08:33,196
Speaker 2: he's gonna combat it. I feel like they have them,

1292
01:08:33,236 --> 01:08:36,756
Speaker 2: you could. I guess I can see their daily meetings.

1293
01:08:37,036 --> 01:08:39,196
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this position, you're gonna take that one.

1294
01:08:39,196 --> 01:08:42,316
Speaker 2: That's why I like you, well, Colin. You know, there's

1295
01:08:42,356 --> 01:08:44,276
Speaker 2: a meeting, but it's only one person.

1296
01:08:44,396 --> 01:08:47,116
Speaker 1: So Colin just reminds me of the guy in the

1297
01:08:47,156 --> 01:08:49,516
Speaker 1: classroom that's doing too much, you know what I mean,

1298
01:08:49,596 --> 01:08:51,356
Speaker 1: Like he's ruining everything for you.

1299
01:08:51,396 --> 01:08:53,516
Speaker 2: It's like, you know what I like about Colin? I

1300
01:08:53,636 --> 01:08:55,436
Speaker 2: know how he got him the sports thing. But the

1301
01:08:55,516 --> 01:08:57,836
Speaker 2: funny thing about Colin I want to find out why

1302
01:08:57,836 --> 01:08:59,476
Speaker 2: does he hate Aaron Rodgers so much?

1303
01:09:01,436 --> 01:09:02,196
Speaker 1: That's a great question.

1304
01:09:02,236 --> 01:09:03,876
Speaker 2: It's funny though. He'll give him a break, but he'd

1305
01:09:03,916 --> 01:09:06,036
Speaker 2: be like, you know, he just kills him. I think

1306
01:09:06,036 --> 01:09:08,036
Speaker 2: I watched him so he just to watch him kill people.

1307
01:09:08,036 --> 01:09:10,636
Speaker 2: But he has like really, I will say this, he

1308
01:09:10,716 --> 01:09:16,476
Speaker 2: has really good tips for for being professional. If you

1309
01:09:16,596 --> 01:09:19,676
Speaker 2: listen to him. Oh yeah, definitely, like he definitely.

1310
01:09:20,436 --> 01:09:23,676
Speaker 1: Okay, you gotta I'm gonna move to Manhattan Beach. Try

1311
01:09:23,676 --> 01:09:25,236
Speaker 1: to try to link up with him. He maybe you

1312
01:09:25,236 --> 01:09:26,396
Speaker 1: can mentor me on how.

1313
01:09:26,236 --> 01:09:32,436
Speaker 2: To because look at this podcast company is Draymond Green?

1314
01:09:32,796 --> 01:09:34,796
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, no, that's it is that his?

1315
01:09:35,076 --> 01:09:35,396
Speaker 2: That's his?

1316
01:09:35,636 --> 01:09:36,436
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that.

1317
01:09:36,836 --> 01:09:39,876
Speaker 2: Dude comes on and be like, you know he gave

1318
01:09:39,956 --> 01:09:40,876
Speaker 2: dream on the platform.

1319
01:09:40,876 --> 01:09:41,396
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

1320
01:09:41,556 --> 01:09:43,556
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a beast man.

1321
01:09:43,636 --> 01:09:47,036
Speaker 1: He's the beach. But skip. You got stephen A. Shannon

1322
01:09:47,596 --> 01:09:49,636
Speaker 1: Wayne our boy who we can't think of right now.

1323
01:09:51,036 --> 01:09:52,036
Speaker 1: He's put people on too.

1324
01:09:52,076 --> 01:09:57,796
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I try, like I try. I skipped

1325
01:09:57,836 --> 01:10:00,196
Speaker 2: my stations and I go along skip. I'm like, nah,

1326
01:10:00,676 --> 01:10:03,676
Speaker 2: skips like skips, just like making people mad.

1327
01:10:03,996 --> 01:10:07,556
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it. I love that.

1328
01:10:07,516 --> 01:10:09,436
Speaker 2: About It's a different structure, different folks.

1329
01:10:09,436 --> 01:10:12,956
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, that's it. I feel like I'm

1330
01:10:12,956 --> 01:10:14,636
Speaker 1: bouncing everywhere. But it's just like so cool.

1331
01:10:15,356 --> 01:10:19,276
Speaker 2: One more thing about skip, please more thing. His name

1332
01:10:19,396 --> 01:10:23,196
Speaker 2: is perfect. You should just skip his show exactly.

1333
01:10:25,756 --> 01:10:30,956
Speaker 1: That's the tack and skip me, skip skip that, just

1334
01:10:30,996 --> 01:10:34,116
Speaker 1: skip this Bayless man. Yeah, y'all went down to UH

1335
01:10:34,796 --> 01:10:38,076
Speaker 1: to record house of music. Y'all went down to Yeah.

1336
01:10:37,916 --> 01:10:40,916
Speaker 2: The house of music was the Sons and so was

1337
01:10:40,956 --> 01:10:42,516
Speaker 2: the Sons and Soul. Y'all do think it was Sons

1338
01:10:42,556 --> 01:10:42,716
Speaker 2: and so?

1339
01:10:42,916 --> 01:10:47,116
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, pre internet, Like, how did you know about

1340
01:10:47,156 --> 01:10:50,156
Speaker 1: this studio down and how did y'all know to.

1341
01:10:50,116 --> 01:10:52,676
Speaker 2: Get Like we found out from some of our training brothers,

1342
01:10:52,916 --> 01:10:55,396
Speaker 2: Trent Gums and Desmond Gums, some guys. I was in

1343
01:10:55,436 --> 01:10:58,236
Speaker 2: the Trent Gums. I was in a high school band

1344
01:10:58,276 --> 01:11:02,476
Speaker 2: with him, and he's trendy. And he told us about

1345
01:11:02,476 --> 01:11:04,836
Speaker 2: the studio they need, They needed people to come down

1346
01:11:04,876 --> 01:11:07,556
Speaker 2: there and recorded. They gave us a good they gave

1347
01:11:07,636 --> 01:11:09,276
Speaker 2: us a good price to come record the music. And

1348
01:11:09,356 --> 01:11:12,196
Speaker 2: we stayed there for three months. Wow, stayed there for

1349
01:11:12,236 --> 01:11:14,316
Speaker 2: three months. I think that's the first time I had

1350
01:11:14,436 --> 01:11:17,876
Speaker 2: row ti. This is a sad part. It's the first

1351
01:11:17,876 --> 01:11:19,236
Speaker 2: time I ever taste a mangle.

1352
01:11:19,916 --> 01:11:20,356
Speaker 1: Really.

1353
01:11:20,756 --> 01:11:22,996
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in Trinida.

1354
01:11:23,436 --> 01:11:24,396
Speaker 1: That's probably was a good mango.

1355
01:11:24,516 --> 01:11:26,836
Speaker 2: The best man who ever had my life. Wow, And

1356
01:11:26,876 --> 01:11:27,596
Speaker 2: it was beautiful.

1357
01:11:27,756 --> 01:11:28,076
Speaker 1: It was.

1358
01:11:30,076 --> 01:11:34,676
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful place, beautiful music, beautiful food. And we

1359
01:11:34,756 --> 01:11:38,796
Speaker 2: had almost five or six rooms to record in huge

1360
01:11:38,876 --> 01:11:43,076
Speaker 2: orchestra room. It was It was a great time.

1361
01:11:43,596 --> 01:11:44,076
Speaker 1: Was it like? That?

1362
01:11:44,196 --> 01:11:44,276
Speaker 2: Was?

1363
01:11:44,276 --> 01:11:46,716
Speaker 1: That was how many people? So it was you guys,

1364
01:11:46,876 --> 01:11:47,996
Speaker 1: what else did you guys go down with?

1365
01:11:48,116 --> 01:11:50,756
Speaker 2: We brought we might have brought like ten people and

1366
01:11:50,876 --> 01:11:54,876
Speaker 2: we left. We left. It was only maybe three people

1367
01:11:54,996 --> 01:11:57,516
Speaker 2: we left. Everybody wanted to leave except us.

1368
01:11:57,716 --> 01:12:01,236
Speaker 1: Wowe, it seems like an incredible Do you guys have

1369
01:12:01,236 --> 01:12:02,356
Speaker 1: any footage at that time?

1370
01:12:02,996 --> 01:12:06,076
Speaker 2: I don't think we filmed anything. We're the worst. We

1371
01:12:06,076 --> 01:12:09,396
Speaker 2: weren't the Beatles. We didn't dock how you know. See

1372
01:12:09,676 --> 01:12:11,916
Speaker 2: The Beatles have a documentary that came out maybe from

1373
01:12:12,116 --> 01:12:12,996
Speaker 2: like forty years ago.

1374
01:12:13,196 --> 01:12:16,556
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's like literally it's like, yeah, they're

1375
01:12:16,596 --> 01:12:20,076
Speaker 1: never off camera. Yeah yeah, I mean I just yeah,

1376
01:12:20,116 --> 01:12:22,516
Speaker 1: it's pretty I guess that makes sense that it was

1377
01:12:22,556 --> 01:12:25,036
Speaker 1: Sons of Soul because it feels like that's like, really

1378
01:12:26,396 --> 01:12:28,436
Speaker 1: there's an energy on that album, you know.

1379
01:12:28,676 --> 01:12:31,476
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sons of Soul was like, yeah, it was definitely

1380
01:12:31,676 --> 01:12:37,036
Speaker 2: a training right slow wine, Slow Wine, Yeah, slow Wine.

1381
01:12:38,316 --> 01:12:40,476
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. I mean, like the rainforest. It would be

1382
01:12:40,516 --> 01:12:43,396
Speaker 2: like just in the daytime, just to eating dinner and

1383
01:12:43,396 --> 01:12:45,676
Speaker 2: and just just hard rain. It's just coming down, you

1384
01:12:45,676 --> 01:12:49,956
Speaker 2: know because the windows are open. It's a they loved

1385
01:12:49,956 --> 01:12:50,796
Speaker 2: the good life out there.

1386
01:12:51,076 --> 01:12:52,716
Speaker 1: I think I wanted to ask you, just going back

1387
01:12:52,756 --> 01:12:59,556
Speaker 1: to Beyonce, your brother Dwayne brought Destiny's Child to Oakland

1388
01:12:59,596 --> 01:13:03,036
Speaker 1: like before they live up right. Yeah, So it's like

1389
01:13:03,156 --> 01:13:05,276
Speaker 1: did you did you like, yeah, can you tell that

1390
01:13:05,316 --> 01:13:07,276
Speaker 1: story if you know it? And then did you know

1391
01:13:07,396 --> 01:13:08,356
Speaker 1: Beyonce at that time?

1392
01:13:08,476 --> 01:13:10,796
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know. I didn't know Beyonce at that time.

1393
01:13:10,836 --> 01:13:12,956
Speaker 2: I actually was in La at the time, or I

1394
01:13:12,996 --> 01:13:15,556
Speaker 2: was in Sacramento and then I moved to La So

1395
01:13:15,596 --> 01:13:18,996
Speaker 2: I missed that whole thing. I wasn't around it at all. Wow, Yeah,

1396
01:13:19,356 --> 01:13:21,156
Speaker 2: I know. I know. He had him through another guy

1397
01:13:21,236 --> 01:13:25,156
Speaker 2: named Alonzo Jackson. A Lonzo Jackson is a guy we

1398
01:13:25,156 --> 01:13:28,276
Speaker 2: were I was in a band with two and Dwane

1399
01:13:28,316 --> 01:13:31,876
Speaker 2: was in a band with Lonzo Jackson's uncle. So we

1400
01:13:31,876 --> 01:13:34,596
Speaker 2: were sort of like the kids band to that band.

1401
01:13:35,316 --> 01:13:40,236
Speaker 2: And so. But there's also another lady who Lonzo matt

1402
01:13:40,316 --> 01:13:45,756
Speaker 2: So he he met justin shout through this lady. She

1403
01:13:45,956 --> 01:13:51,276
Speaker 2: ended up passing away, and then Lonzo brought the girls

1404
01:13:51,316 --> 01:13:51,956
Speaker 2: to Duane.

1405
01:13:52,796 --> 01:13:54,476
Speaker 1: Did you hear from him about it? Like, yeah, I

1406
01:13:54,476 --> 01:13:54,916
Speaker 1: got these.

1407
01:13:55,076 --> 01:13:56,556
Speaker 2: I mean he was working with a lot of people

1408
01:13:56,556 --> 01:14:00,396
Speaker 2: at the time, He's working with Alicia Keys. After that

1409
01:14:02,036 --> 01:14:03,836
Speaker 2: he had his own label. He was working a lot

1410
01:14:03,836 --> 01:14:05,516
Speaker 2: of people. But like I said, I wasn't around for

1411
01:14:05,596 --> 01:14:07,436
Speaker 2: any of it. I didn't know any of the artists.

1412
01:14:07,836 --> 01:14:09,356
Speaker 1: Do you guys get along or is that not?

1413
01:14:09,596 --> 01:14:11,756
Speaker 2: Like no, we get along, but we get along. We're

1414
01:14:11,796 --> 01:14:16,156
Speaker 2: just different. We're just different. And you know, I mean

1415
01:14:16,196 --> 01:14:18,756
Speaker 2: growing up heles my you know, my child, my I

1416
01:14:18,796 --> 01:14:20,156
Speaker 2: don't I wanted to be around them all the time.

1417
01:14:20,156 --> 01:14:22,716
Speaker 2: It was a sort of an age gap there and

1418
01:14:23,236 --> 01:14:24,956
Speaker 2: once you get it, once you get a record deal,

1419
01:14:25,036 --> 01:14:27,596
Speaker 2: everybody start having the home to the friends, you know.

1420
01:14:27,716 --> 01:14:35,116
Speaker 2: So and I was still enamborant with the trick that

1421
01:14:35,156 --> 01:14:38,276
Speaker 2: I was. I was in the business, I was making records.

1422
01:14:38,316 --> 01:14:43,316
Speaker 2: You know. It was like something that was really a

1423
01:14:43,396 --> 01:14:45,876
Speaker 2: surprise to me, you know, because I'm pretty much wanted

1424
01:14:45,916 --> 01:14:47,796
Speaker 2: to be like the assignment to play for people, So

1425
01:14:48,556 --> 01:14:51,076
Speaker 2: I was too busy figuring this out and how not

1426
01:14:51,156 --> 01:14:55,396
Speaker 2: to be a failure and what we said we were doing.

1427
01:14:56,236 --> 01:14:59,796
Speaker 2: So I pretty much you know, it was trying to

1428
01:14:59,876 --> 01:15:02,276
Speaker 2: you know, talk to to as many people as I

1429
01:15:02,316 --> 01:15:06,356
Speaker 2: could to learn a little bit more.

1430
01:15:08,196 --> 01:15:10,756
Speaker 1: There was like a five year maybe five maybe six

1431
01:15:10,836 --> 01:15:14,276
Speaker 1: year gap between house and music and instant vintage.

1432
01:15:14,796 --> 01:15:17,716
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't know because there's no gaps for me

1433
01:15:17,716 --> 01:15:20,676
Speaker 2: because I'm always playing music. I'm always making records, so

1434
01:15:20,716 --> 01:15:22,396
Speaker 2: they're just not coming out, okay.

1435
01:15:22,436 --> 01:15:25,076
Speaker 1: But so there wasn't like when you left, like this

1436
01:15:25,476 --> 01:15:27,396
Speaker 1: feel of urgency of like I got to get something

1437
01:15:27,436 --> 01:15:31,076
Speaker 1: out established myself as now you did the song for like,

1438
01:15:31,116 --> 01:15:31,396
Speaker 1: you know.

1439
01:15:31,756 --> 01:15:34,196
Speaker 2: For different people, it should have been some urgency, but

1440
01:15:34,276 --> 01:15:34,676
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1441
01:15:34,996 --> 01:15:36,436
Speaker 1: It's all worked out. I was just curious.

1442
01:15:36,436 --> 01:15:38,916
Speaker 2: No, no, it should have been some urgency, but I didn't.

1443
01:15:39,196 --> 01:15:41,236
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't there like that. I was like,

1444
01:15:41,316 --> 01:15:44,796
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, it was football, basketball, music,

1445
01:15:45,596 --> 01:15:49,956
Speaker 2: video games, the new guitars, watching this person do that,

1446
01:15:50,116 --> 01:15:53,236
Speaker 2: nieces and nephews, and I was nephew was playing, you know,

1447
01:15:53,236 --> 01:15:55,596
Speaker 2: don't want to play basketball, so I would, you know,

1448
01:15:56,116 --> 01:16:00,676
Speaker 2: fly him to Domingus from Sacramento to play in the league.

1449
01:16:01,076 --> 01:16:03,956
Speaker 2: But the Pump Brothers and I was sort of like

1450
01:16:03,996 --> 01:16:06,996
Speaker 2: helping my nieces and nephews getting good schools. And that

1451
01:16:07,116 --> 01:16:07,836
Speaker 2: was part of it too.

1452
01:16:07,876 --> 01:16:09,676
Speaker 1: You could have become like a sports age or something.

1453
01:16:10,516 --> 01:16:13,156
Speaker 1: You could have like, you know, there's a there's another

1454
01:16:13,476 --> 01:16:14,516
Speaker 1: there's another path you can.

1455
01:16:15,076 --> 01:16:17,476
Speaker 2: I should tell my buddy, like I told Brian one time.

1456
01:16:18,076 --> 01:16:22,636
Speaker 2: He wasn't doing that good. He well, his points was low,

1457
01:16:22,676 --> 01:16:24,156
Speaker 2: and I just went to him one day. I was like, man,

1458
01:16:24,316 --> 01:16:29,476
Speaker 2: so tell me something. I said. If they come to

1459
01:16:29,476 --> 01:16:33,796
Speaker 2: you and say, you know they're gonna fire you, I didn't.

1460
01:16:33,956 --> 01:16:36,716
Speaker 2: I said they're gonna fire The GM is gonna be

1461
01:16:36,796 --> 01:16:39,596
Speaker 2: there for a long time. You probably get fired first,

1462
01:16:39,676 --> 01:16:41,836
Speaker 2: like it's it's you, then it's the coach. Then it's

1463
01:16:41,836 --> 01:16:44,596
Speaker 2: the gym. That's how I go, right. He like yeah,

1464
01:16:44,876 --> 01:16:47,396
Speaker 2: he said, okay, I hear you. He went and he

1465
01:16:47,476 --> 01:16:50,756
Speaker 2: got like he had. He got about what hit about

1466
01:16:50,796 --> 01:16:56,196
Speaker 2: twenty he had about seventeen rebounds and that night and

1467
01:16:56,236 --> 01:16:57,676
Speaker 2: he called me, he's like, you see the game. I'm

1468
01:16:57,676 --> 01:16:59,636
Speaker 2: like yeah, he said, yeah, he said, I won't to

1469
01:16:59,636 --> 01:17:00,356
Speaker 2: hear some records.

1470
01:17:02,036 --> 01:17:05,756
Speaker 1: You're a clutch producer man. Yeah, anything, Yeah, Charlie Ray.

1471
01:17:05,796 --> 01:17:08,996
Speaker 1: That's on Charlie Ray. Yeah, where did that guitar part come?

1472
01:17:10,676 --> 01:17:16,596
Speaker 2: Well, it came from me trying to be in my

1473
01:17:16,756 --> 01:17:31,596
Speaker 2: funkadelic you know, d dum dum and it's like the

1474
01:17:31,676 --> 01:17:43,836
Speaker 2: Charlie Ray's dum dum m m damm doom. It's like

1475
01:17:43,876 --> 01:17:44,916
Speaker 2: a funkadelic dream.

1476
01:17:45,236 --> 01:17:48,116
Speaker 1: It's such a almost sounds like grateful deadish, like it's

1477
01:17:48,196 --> 01:17:52,356
Speaker 1: so like it's just so I don't know that anyone.

1478
01:17:52,956 --> 01:17:54,876
Speaker 2: I do have a lot of grateful dead type of

1479
01:17:54,956 --> 01:17:57,716
Speaker 2: music that I haven't put out, what just like instrumental

1480
01:17:57,796 --> 01:18:01,916
Speaker 2: stuff that yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.

1481
01:18:01,996 --> 01:18:02,596
Speaker 1: I did like it.

1482
01:18:03,196 --> 01:18:07,556
Speaker 2: So my album before I did Jimmy Lee, I had

1483
01:18:07,596 --> 01:18:12,196
Speaker 2: this whole other record that felt like Charlie Ray. And

1484
01:18:12,316 --> 01:18:14,756
Speaker 2: then I started thinking about my brother and just all

1485
01:18:14,796 --> 01:18:18,436
Speaker 2: this and some friends about drug addiction, and then I

1486
01:18:18,596 --> 01:18:21,676
Speaker 2: just jumped off and got on this whole other wave.

1487
01:18:22,036 --> 01:18:25,556
Speaker 2: And but I did have these records that then I'm

1488
01:18:25,556 --> 01:18:29,476
Speaker 2: gonna put together. It's more instrumental stuff. Vocals happened, but

1489
01:18:29,596 --> 01:18:33,396
Speaker 2: maybe like after two minutes in the record, what Yeah,

1490
01:18:33,796 --> 01:18:36,236
Speaker 2: that's what that's the stuff I love. But you know,

1491
01:18:36,796 --> 01:18:38,276
Speaker 2: I could do it now because I'm not I'm not

1492
01:18:38,476 --> 01:18:42,476
Speaker 2: really in the record I'm not. I don't think I've

1493
01:18:42,516 --> 01:18:44,276
Speaker 2: ever been in a record business. I think I've been

1494
01:18:44,316 --> 01:18:48,076
Speaker 2: a friend of the brand. That's my thing, A friend

1495
01:18:48,116 --> 01:18:50,476
Speaker 2: of the brand, A friend of really yeah, the friend

1496
01:18:50,516 --> 01:18:52,756
Speaker 2: of the brand. I got that from like New Ballats.

1497
01:18:52,796 --> 01:18:56,476
Speaker 2: I did this thing with somebody and instead of having

1498
01:18:56,516 --> 01:18:58,916
Speaker 2: an ambassadors, they have my half somebody and a commercial

1499
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Speaker 2: and it's like a friend of the brand. It's not

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Speaker 2: an ambassador. When I heard that, turnos like it. Oh

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01:19:04,596 --> 01:19:07,156
Speaker 2: that that suits me just fine, because that's what I

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01:19:07,236 --> 01:19:09,036
Speaker 2: felt like I've That's what I felt like I've been

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01:19:09,116 --> 01:19:11,916
Speaker 2: and I'm a friend of the brand, which means I

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01:19:12,076 --> 01:19:14,756
Speaker 2: really really love it. Yeah, I can call myself a

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01:19:14,836 --> 01:19:15,476
Speaker 2: friend of the brand.

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01:19:16,116 --> 01:19:18,556
Speaker 1: Did you is that because you don't necessarily don't want

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01:19:18,636 --> 01:19:22,356
Speaker 1: to be fully in it, like because you I'm sure

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01:19:22,396 --> 01:19:22,796
Speaker 1: you could be.

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01:19:23,276 --> 01:19:25,076
Speaker 2: I mean, no, I think I want to be fully

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01:19:25,116 --> 01:19:27,076
Speaker 2: in it. But I just want to, you know, dip

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01:19:27,196 --> 01:19:31,196
Speaker 2: off and do regular shit, you know, and not. I

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01:19:31,276 --> 01:19:35,036
Speaker 2: don't need to have ten celebrity friends and hang out

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01:19:35,076 --> 01:19:37,356
Speaker 2: with them. You know, I don't need to be talking

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01:19:37,356 --> 01:19:40,556
Speaker 2: about celebrity friends all day. I need to just you know,

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01:19:40,756 --> 01:19:44,516
Speaker 2: I'm walking and you know I'm wanting to bite. I'm

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01:19:44,556 --> 01:19:47,876
Speaker 2: just doing things that you know, my friends are. I'm

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01:19:47,916 --> 01:19:49,676
Speaker 2: still friends with my friends from third grade.

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01:19:50,516 --> 01:19:50,796
Speaker 1: Damn.

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01:19:51,196 --> 01:19:53,356
Speaker 2: You know I still talk to them on the phone.

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01:19:53,596 --> 01:19:55,196
Speaker 1: Wow. You know.

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01:19:55,476 --> 01:19:57,236
Speaker 2: I took some of my friends lyrics and put in

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01:19:57,276 --> 01:19:59,676
Speaker 2: the song really, a song that he used to always sing.

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01:19:59,876 --> 01:20:02,676
Speaker 2: And then I haven't seen him in twenty five years.

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01:20:03,116 --> 01:20:04,956
Speaker 2: When he saw me, he's like, you sing my lyric

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01:20:04,996 --> 01:20:05,396
Speaker 2: in the song?

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01:20:05,956 --> 01:20:06,916
Speaker 1: Well, lyrics? What song?

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01:20:09,116 --> 01:20:13,596
Speaker 2: It's not called Ford to love you? I will see

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01:20:14,276 --> 01:20:18,316
Speaker 2: we stand by your like a tree. Yeah, anyone to

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01:20:18,436 --> 01:20:21,276
Speaker 2: try to move me. But he had got it from Marvin.

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01:20:21,676 --> 01:20:24,516
Speaker 2: Wow that but I didn't know. But we will be

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01:20:24,556 --> 01:20:26,476
Speaker 2: on the street hanging out. He would be like, I'll

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01:20:26,556 --> 01:20:28,996
Speaker 2: stand by your lack a tree. He always say that.

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01:20:29,436 --> 01:20:32,836
Speaker 2: So my first record, his name is Rodney. He called him.

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01:20:32,836 --> 01:20:36,476
Speaker 2: We got Rodney Smith, and he when he saw him,

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01:20:36,476 --> 01:20:38,836
Speaker 2: he was like, He's like, tell him Ray it was

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01:20:38,916 --> 01:20:42,196
Speaker 2: all our other friends. He said, tell him he already knew.

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01:20:43,636 --> 01:20:46,516
Speaker 2: I said, tell him yep, I said, I took those

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01:20:46,636 --> 01:20:48,876
Speaker 2: legs stand by you like he already knew.

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01:20:48,956 --> 01:20:54,796
Speaker 1: Cole busted. Yeah, tell him that. Oh man, I'm gonna

1540
01:20:54,836 --> 01:20:56,676
Speaker 1: circle back because this is one thing we dropped, which

1541
01:20:56,756 --> 01:20:59,156
Speaker 1: was we started talking about the secret track and then

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01:20:59,556 --> 01:21:01,276
Speaker 1: how did that we got off on it? Because that

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01:21:01,356 --> 01:21:03,836
Speaker 1: Larry Graham one is my my favorite, But how did

1544
01:21:03,876 --> 01:21:05,716
Speaker 1: that happen? When did that? Like?

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01:21:06,156 --> 01:21:10,236
Speaker 2: I think I started doing it doing it because I

1546
01:21:10,356 --> 01:21:15,676
Speaker 2: think Prince when I heard hello, how are you? It

1547
01:21:15,796 --> 01:21:17,676
Speaker 2: was at the end of the record, and I've heard

1548
01:21:17,756 --> 01:21:22,036
Speaker 2: maybe one other person do that, and I was like,

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01:21:22,356 --> 01:21:24,476
Speaker 2: I wonder if I just like let the record go

1550
01:21:24,596 --> 01:21:28,476
Speaker 2: off and for like a minute or two minute and

1551
01:21:28,476 --> 01:21:31,156
Speaker 2: a half, what it's scared the hell out of people

1552
01:21:31,236 --> 01:21:34,276
Speaker 2: up there in the house and the record pops. I

1553
01:21:34,316 --> 01:21:35,956
Speaker 2: don't want to scare people, but I just thought, like,

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01:21:36,076 --> 01:21:38,116
Speaker 2: you know this, this would be a thing that I

1555
01:21:38,156 --> 01:21:41,636
Speaker 2: could start and I can continue to do it. And

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01:21:41,956 --> 01:21:46,196
Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna put out some vinyl pretty soon of

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01:21:46,996 --> 01:21:49,396
Speaker 2: previous stuff, previous stuff, and I'm store like the Vinyl

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01:21:49,436 --> 01:21:51,636
Speaker 2: Club started putting on vinyl.

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01:21:51,996 --> 01:21:53,676
Speaker 1: Put the put the Grateful Dead project down.

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01:21:54,076 --> 01:21:55,836
Speaker 2: Well, now I'm definitely gonna do that.

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01:21:55,876 --> 01:21:57,996
Speaker 1: I'll buy that on vinyl, the gatefold define.

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01:21:58,396 --> 01:21:59,556
Speaker 2: I'm a vinyl head, you know.

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01:21:59,916 --> 01:22:03,676
Speaker 1: Man cool Well and Raphael, thank you so much. Yeah,

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01:22:04,236 --> 01:22:09,116
Speaker 1: thank you, Thanks so much, Raael for havings out there.

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01:22:09,156 --> 01:22:12,356
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