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Speaker 1: Welcome into a Week seventeen Giants hangout, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Crestrawan.

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Speaker 2: My name is Madeline Burke, joined as always by Russ

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Speaker 2: Salzburg and Matt Sideteking guys, another tough loss for these

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Speaker 2: New York Football Giants on the road in Atlanta against

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Speaker 2: the rookie quarterback Michael Pennix Junior Giants started out strong

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Speaker 2: seven to nothing, taking a lead early, but then thirty

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Speaker 2: four unanswered points by the Falcons and it was all

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Speaker 2: Atlanta as the Giants dropped their tenth straight of the season. Russ,

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Speaker 2: when you look back at this game that was Week sixteen,

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Speaker 2: what are your biggest takeaways?

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Speaker 3: My biggest takeaway, Madeline, is what we've been saying, what

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Speaker 3: I've been saying for the past few weeks, not just

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Speaker 3: ten weeks. It's a Murphy's lost season. What can go

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Speaker 3: wrong has gone wrong, and it just continues to be

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Speaker 3: that way. When we had a lead and after that

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Speaker 3: drive what was it a fourteen play drive, you could feel,

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Speaker 3: you know, great catch tiptoe by Trey and he ends

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Speaker 3: up great catch. You could feel the enthusiasm they were

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Speaker 3: on the road, and that's what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: You want to, you know, get a little lead. They

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Speaker 3: were on the road, but that pick six, you can

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Speaker 3: feel everything change. You could feel the mood of everything changed.

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Speaker 3: And well, I'm watching it, you and I are watching

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Speaker 3: it on TV. It just you know, it was on

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Speaker 3: the road, so it wasn't it met life where you

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Speaker 3: could say all the air was taken out of the stadium,

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Speaker 3: but you can tell it was. This team has had

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Speaker 3: enough trouble trying to win games, so here they are

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Speaker 3: in a nice position and the pick six just it

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Speaker 3: just changed. That first one changed everything. It just changed everything.

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Speaker 3: And then the second one, you know, ball gets tipped

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Speaker 3: another you know two pick six is you know, Dave

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Speaker 3: said it after the game, you can't be given up

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Speaker 3: fourteen points on offense.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that first one, as you mentioned though, it

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Speaker 2: was right after delay of game penalties. I just had

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Speaker 2: a delay of game and then they broke the huddle

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Speaker 2: late and Drew lock is so focused on not having

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Speaker 2: another penalty there that he's hurrying. And it's like Sean

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Speaker 2: o'harris said on the post game show last night, you

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Speaker 2: got to play quick but not hurried, and Matt when

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Speaker 2: you're hurrying and these mistakes happen especially turnovers, when Dable

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Speaker 2: has said week in and week out that this is

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Speaker 2: a point of emphasis. You can't have two not just

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Speaker 2: costly turnovers, but turnovers that result in touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I'm not going out on a limbit

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Speaker 5: hear by saying those two plays are just backbreaking plays.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the Giants jumped out to that seven nothing lead.

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Speaker 5: They put together a very nice looking drive. As Russ mentioned,

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Speaker 5: fourteen plays seventy took over eight minutes off of the clock.

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Speaker 5: You were like, I think we were all thinking, like,

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Speaker 5: all right, we've got some momentum going, Like where's this

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Speaker 5: offense been the last few months?

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Speaker 4: Like, let's keep this going now.

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Speaker 5: The unfortunate thing is that play with seventy yards, the

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Speaker 5: Giants didn't get seventy yards of total offense for their

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Speaker 5: next I don't know how many six drives up until

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Speaker 5: the very last drive of the game, in which the

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Speaker 5: game was already thirty four to seven, and it was

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Speaker 5: obviously out of control at that point, but you put

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Speaker 5: together such a nice drive and then you just the

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Speaker 5: Giants were unable to put any sort of consistent offensive

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Speaker 5: production together after that drive, and like, of course, the

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Speaker 5: two interceptions were turned for touchdowns. Those are the plays

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Speaker 5: that stick out because turned into fourteen points directly given

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Speaker 5: right to the Falcons. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: even without those plays, the Giants offense outside of that

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Speaker 5: first drive did not do enough to put themselves.

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Speaker 4: In a position to win this game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, as coach Stables said in his postgame press conference,

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Speaker 5: I don't even know how many times he said it,

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Speaker 5: but the Giants just were not good enough yesterday in

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Speaker 5: any phase of the ball.

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Speaker 3: No, listen, Matt, right on, That's exactly I was gonna

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Speaker 3: say the same thing. It's just, you know, players are players.

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Speaker 3: They're not robots. They're human beings. And listen, they all know,

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Speaker 3: they all hear, they all understand the criticism. And you

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Speaker 3: go ahead, now, as you just said, you grab a

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Speaker 3: lead in the nice drive and they're not thinking, you know,

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Speaker 3: where this or that. But then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: not only do they give up the lead, but they

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Speaker 3: give it up on a pick six, and then they say,

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Speaker 3: you can see it wreaking into their heads. Here we

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Speaker 3: go again, Here we go again. That's why I called

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Speaker 3: it demorlizing. It's just very, very frustrating. It was frustrating

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Speaker 3: for all parties concerned, you know, and it's got two

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Speaker 3: weeks left in the season, and you know people ask me, well, Russ,

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Speaker 3: what do they do moving forward? You know, it's what

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Speaker 3: Dave says. You got to try to win a game.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing else to do moving forward, but try to

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Speaker 3: win a game. You know, easier said than done based

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Speaker 3: upon what we've seen for ten weeks. But they got

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Speaker 3: to try and win a game. And you know, while

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Speaker 3: they're trying to do that, then there's assessments. We're not

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Speaker 3: nobody's stupid. There's assessments going on through who's going to

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Speaker 3: be here next year and who won't be here next

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Speaker 3: year in terms of personnel.

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Speaker 2: Right, And as you try to win a game, you know,

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Speaker 2: this next one, obviously, the next game is always the

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Speaker 2: most important game.

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Speaker 1: But the next one is the last home game.

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Speaker 2: It's a penultimate game of the season, but the final

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Speaker 2: home game of the season. The Giants are zero to

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Speaker 2: eight at home so far this year. They want to

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Speaker 2: try to get one win at least for these home

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Speaker 2: fans that show up weekend and week out, these season

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Speaker 2: ticket holders that pay the PSLs that come support the

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Speaker 2: Giants in person. But This is a tough matchup, you guys.

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Speaker 2: This is the Indianapolis Colts that are coming in. Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Taylor's coming off of a two hundred plus rushing performance,

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Speaker 2: and we know how much the Giants have struggled against

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Speaker 2: the run. And when you have this kind of opponent

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Speaker 2: coming in, when you've got a mobile quarterback in Anthony

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Speaker 2: Richardson and a run game behind a Jonathan Taylor that's

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Speaker 2: a tank, you got to kind of imagine that there's

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Speaker 2: a little bit of pressure on this team too to

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Speaker 2: get at least one win at home in this twenty

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Speaker 3: No, for sure there's pressure. But but you know, you

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Speaker 3: just mentioned the two guys, Anthony Richardson and Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 3: and here's the catch twenty two on that. To me,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that the game plan you want to make

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Speaker 3: Richardson throw the ball. You want to make him throw

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Speaker 3: the ball, maybe force him to make some mistakes, airs

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Speaker 3: and this and that to force him to throw the ball.

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Speaker 3: What's the best way you got to stop the run.

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Speaker 3: Stopping the run means, as you just said, mad, stopping

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor. Good luck with doing that. That's the catch

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Speaker 3: twenty two. At the situation. If you're going to make

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Speaker 3: Richardson throw, you got to stop the run. And that's

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Speaker 3: a tall task, especially with you know, Dexter, you know,

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Speaker 3: not in the lineup, Very very difficult. You know nothing.

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Speaker 3: Obviously nothing's easy for the Giants, but this one, that's

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Speaker 3: exact situation. If you're going to force a guy to pass,

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Speaker 3: you got to do something about the run. And that's

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Speaker 3: the tall order for the Giants for my estimation this week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you're one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, looking at this Colts team their game on

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Speaker 5: had at the very least like a solid run defense.

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Speaker 5: The Colts ran between Anthony Richardson and Jonathan Taylor alone,

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Speaker 5: the two of them combined for two hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: eight yards on the ground and four rushing touchdowns just

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Speaker 5: between the two of them. Then they had two other

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Speaker 5: guys that combined for you know, nearly fifty additional rushing yards,

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Speaker 5: which gave them well over three hundred yards on the

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Speaker 5: Titans run defense that has been playing decently all season.

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Speaker 5: So unlike you know, I said, this before the Ravens game.

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Speaker 5: I said this before the Saints game and even a

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Speaker 5: little bit before this foul Flins game, that stopping the

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Speaker 5: run has to be the number one priority. Now, the

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Speaker 5: difference between this upcoming game and those games is that

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Speaker 5: with Anthony Richardson under center at the quarterback position, this

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Speaker 5: is a situation where as a defense, you can sort

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Speaker 5: of sell out to stop the run, force him to

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Speaker 5: beat you with his arm, because while he is capable of,

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Speaker 5: you know, hitting those very deep fifty yard touchdown passes,

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Speaker 5: he's pretty inaccurate as a quarterback Anthony Richardson, and he

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Speaker 5: has a tendency to throw interceptions. I mean, the Giants

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Speaker 5: just picked up the third interception of the season yesterday

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Speaker 5: Cortnell Flott on a tip play by Kyle Pitts. They're

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Speaker 5: gonna have a lot of opportunities to potentially get their

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Speaker 5: hands on the ball again this Sunday. So I'm fully

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Speaker 5: with you, Russ in this matchup against the Colts. Stack

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Speaker 5: the box, do whatever you need to do to have

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Speaker 5: You're not gonna shut down Jonathan Taylor, but to somewhat

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Speaker 5: slow him down or contain him, do whatever it needs

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Speaker 5: to be done. In that sense, force Anthony Richardson to

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Speaker 5: beat you through the air. Because if that is the case,

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Speaker 5: and that if you can slow down the run and

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Speaker 5: make him beat you through the air, I feel like

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Speaker 5: then you have at least a chance to win this

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Speaker 5: don't become the first team in NFL history to lose

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Speaker 5: nine games at home because obviously nobody wants that.

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Speaker 1: Well, and also, I mean Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the completion percentage that was such a focal

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Speaker 2: point of scouting him out of college as well, that

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Speaker 2: he had a low completion percentage. He is such an athlete.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is his almost Mulligan rookie year. He

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Speaker 2: its first real full season. But he's thrown just forty

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Speaker 2: seven percent completion percentag this year, which is low. And

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Speaker 2: so if you can force him to throw, But again,

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Speaker 2: like Russ mentioned, you got to stop the run. You

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Speaker 2: got to stop Jonathan Taylor to be able to effectively

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Speaker 2: force him into that situation. Can the Giants defense do that?

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Speaker 2: Can the Giants defense accomplish this on a consistent basis

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Speaker 2: this week.

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Speaker 3: Again, everybody, all coaches have game plans, but to me,

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Speaker 3: from a defensive standpoint, Madeline and Matt, this one simple.

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Speaker 3: Go stop Jonathan Taylor. That is not simple. The game

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Speaker 3: plan itself is simple, but go stopping him is another thing.

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Speaker 3: And then listen, offense has to be better. You know,

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Speaker 3: we've seen bright spots. We know that Molik Neighbors and

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Speaker 3: Tyron Tracy are vital parts of this team moving forward,

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Speaker 3: and very good parts they are. But everybody's got to

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Speaker 3: be better. The quarterbacking's got to be better, the blockings

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Speaker 3: got to be better. Everything has to be better. We

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Speaker 3: can't be throwing picks. We can't be putting a ball

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Speaker 3: on the ground. That's not how you win. You can't

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Speaker 3: what was it, three turnovers, two pick sixers. I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to be as nice as I possibly can,

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Speaker 3: but you know, Dave said it himself after the game.

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Speaker 3: You can't win that way. You beat yourselves, and you

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Speaker 3: know what, get beat by an opponent, don't yourself. That's

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Speaker 3: that's a thing that has to be straightened out this week.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when it comes to the Giants offense, you know

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Speaker 5: I spoke about what the defense needs to do to

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Speaker 5: sort of give themselves a chance to win this Sunday

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Speaker 5: in terms of the offense, and I think this was,

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Speaker 4: And you know, we've seen the.

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Speaker 5: Drew Lock, according to the Next Gen Stats, was pressured

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Speaker 5: on nineteen of forty two dropbacks, which was forty five

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Speaker 5: point two percent of his dropbacks. That was the second

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Speaker 4: And when he had a clean.

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Speaker 5: Pocket, though, Locke actually threw for one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 5: the unfortunate thing was he didn't have many instances where

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Speaker 4: So this cold seam does not.

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Speaker 5: You know, rush the passer quite you know, as well

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Speaker 4: I think they're in the.

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Speaker 5: Bottom half of the NFL in terms of sacks as

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Speaker 5: a team. So again, an opportunity on paper that the

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Speaker 5: we've seen, having an advantage on paper doesn't mean anything

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Speaker 5: if you can't.

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Speaker 4: Actually execute come Sunday.

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Speaker 5: So the Giants, if the offensive line can give Drew

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Speaker 5: Locke some time, then maybe we'll see more drives like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, Madeln, Sean O'Harra made a very

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Speaker 3: the whole thing, And Sean O'Hara made a very good

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Speaker 3: pick sixes and the tips and this and that, and

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Speaker 3: it was a really good point because I was saying

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Speaker 6: Know, for a tall guy, but sideways, Yeah, for a

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Speaker 3: I mean he's got to be six ' five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he's tall though, Yeah he's.

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Speaker 3: Tall, Okay, but that being the case, there were too

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Speaker 3: many balls dipped, and Sean was explaining it about the

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Speaker 1: It, right, Well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And what Sean was saying essentially is like there's

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Speaker 2: tip tipped. That's why the height of a quarterback is

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Speaker 2: such a point of emphasis. But Drew Locke, despite being

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Speaker 2: a tall guy, he kind of side arms it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it takes a little bit to get loft over the line,

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Speaker 2: and it can get tipped more at the line. Because

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Speaker 2: we've seen it, we can and week out pretty frequently

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was looking at you know, I was

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out why it's happening. And then when

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Speaker 3: about that, and that's that's a good explanation.

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Speaker 2: But it's got to be corrected, Yeah, yeah, but it's

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Speaker 2: also like, you know, it's like Charles Barkley changeing his

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Speaker 2: you know, and you've had some quarterbacks that have found

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Speaker 2: side armed it throughout his entire career. An odd throwing

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Speaker 2: thing to change, but it is something that needs to

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Speaker 2: your playmakers. And speaking of which, one of the playmakers

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Speaker 2: that got the ball seven times this week, Malik Neighbors,

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Speaker 2: broke the Giants rookie receiving record. He's got ninety seven

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Speaker 2: talked about it, acknowledged it, but said, yeah, but we

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Speaker 2: still lost.

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Speaker 1: It's tough to go for that.

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Speaker 2: The rookie record set last season by Pukinakua is one

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Speaker 2: he had a couple other players in the league that

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how that all shakes out with two

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Speaker 2: games remaining, but a personal accolade that could be achieved

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Speaker 3: Now, I like his attitude, guys. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's Some people say, well the way he answers, he answers. Fine,

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Speaker 3: he's not happy. Why should he be happy. So he's

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Speaker 3: He's not happy with doing that. And he's not patent,

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Speaker 3: you know, like a lot of guys. Oh, I'm having

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Speaker 3: a great game, So that's okay. No, it's not okay

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Speaker 3: with him. You know, they described them as being a

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. When I saw him walk out

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Speaker 3: he came back in. No, he's okay. Did o for

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just in terms of the you know, personal accolades. Again,

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Speaker 5: you know, Malik Neighbors, his name will be, you know,

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Speaker 5: actually that we did not discuss, which you know, Brock

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Speaker 5: they both have two games left. However, Malik Neighbors is

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Speaker 5: only ten reception shy of tying Steve Smith of the

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Speaker 5: obviously his yardage total is not too.

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Speaker 4: High, you know, he's not averaging.

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Speaker 5: His average yards perception is not quite where in an

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Speaker 5: rookie should just show that he is a very bright

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Speaker 5: future ahead. And whatever the Giants, however, they decide to

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Speaker 4: And beyond well.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that Malie Nabs has been able to

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Speaker 2: something that is worth noting because it shows just what

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Speaker 2: because with Daniel Jones, Tommy DeVito, Drew Locke, Tim Boyle

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Speaker 2: And that is an accomplishment as well for the rookie

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Speaker 2: who's already made a name for himself in the Giants

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Speaker 2: record books and they're one hundred seasons of existence. He

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Speaker 2: is one of the standout players. And of course the

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Speaker 2: future is bright, but still two games left to go

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Speaker 2: in this season and will continue to keep you updated

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Speaker 2: with all the latest as the season the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four season Winstown.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap for our show this week.

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Speaker 2: Week seventeen Giants Hangout brought to you by Crestrown for

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Speaker 2: Russ Salzburg and Matt Sitek.

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Speaker 1: I'm madeleine Burg. We'll see you next week