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We check the markets every 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes throughout the trading day on Bloomberg. He has 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: in P five hundred up almost a tenth of upper cent, 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: up one and a half points to twenty sixty five. 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: Dow Jones Industrial average little changed, up two points to 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: seventeen thousand, seven hundred twenty two and astacts up three 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: ten percent or thirteen points to forty seven fifty ten. 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: Your treasury up three thirty seconds, the yield one point 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: seven three percent yield on the two year points seven 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: eight percent. Nim X screude oil down nine tenths per 20 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: center forty one cents to nine a barrel comes Gold 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: down two tenths percent or two dollars fifty cents to 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: twelve sixty seventy the euro An other thirteen o seven 23 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: the end one oh nine points to five A report 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: showing April retail sales jump the most in a year, 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: contrast with disappointing quarterly numbers and outlooks this week for 26 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: major retailers, including Macy's and Cole's. Northstrom is down more 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: than fifteen percent this morning after cutting its annual forecast, 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: and j. C. Penny is down two and a half 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: percent as its sales missed analysts estimates. Shake Shack is 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: moving higher, up six point three percent, after posting first 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: quarter profit and sales at topped analysts estimates, help by 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: new locations and the introduction of a chicken sandwich. And 33 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: that's a Bloomberg business flash, Tom and Mike Karen Moscow, 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Well. It has been uh an 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: interesting week for all of us, but nowhere has it 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: been more interesting than for the people of Brazil. They 37 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: lose a president, they gain a temporary president, a new cabinet, 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: including a new finance minister, and maybe some hope. Gabrielle 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: Santos is a global market strategist at JP Morgan Asset Management. 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: She follows everything Brazilian and Gabriella. Thanks um for joining 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: us today to to bring us up to data on 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: what's going to happen there. And the reason I sort 43 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: of phrase it that way is everybody's been pointing to 44 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: the rise in the real and the recent rise in 45 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: the Bovespa as a sign that things are better, But 46 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: are they really all that much better? Is it a 47 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: is this sort of a fool there? And to get 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: long on Brazil right now, Good morning Mike. Certainly, as 49 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: you mentioned, has been a very interesting week in Brazil. Um, 50 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: I think to your point the interesting explanation for the 51 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: rise in the BA in sixth income even in Brazil 52 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: and in the currency, it's all about really expectations. UH. 53 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: The market was pricing in the beginning of the impeachment trial, 54 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: the beginning of a new UH economic policy, let's say, 55 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: with this new president and cabinet in Brazil. So now 56 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: that part of the expectation is done, and I think 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: now is when really we need to watch the measures 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: that are actually introduced UH in the economic and fiscal 59 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: side in order for Brazilian assets to improve, because really 60 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: in terms of growth, nothing has changed. So really it's 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: about are we actually going to see, uh, the expectations 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: really meet, really being met here in Brazil given the 63 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: political situation, the political corruption situation down there where the 64 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: president is out now at least temporarily, but a lot 65 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: of her judges are still under investigation. What's the likelihood 66 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: they take dramatic action to improve things. That's that's such 67 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: an interesting point because it doesn't necessarily spell the end 68 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: of political paralysis in Brazil. That's the hope that this 69 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: new president, new cabinet can better cooperate with Congress in 70 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: order to get measures passed. But I think you're absolutely 71 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: right that there is still this underlying corruption investigation that 72 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: can still cause still has the potential to cause some 73 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: political turmoil. So the way that we're positioning ourselves in 74 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: Brazil is telling clients that things haven't a hundred percent change, right. 75 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: There's reason for optimism, but still reason to be cautious, 76 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: especially with the outlook for the equity market. I would say, 77 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: versus the fixed income market, where is the opportunity in 78 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: emerging markets right now? So within emerging markets, uh, I 79 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: would say that we're looking at this recent improvement in 80 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: performance still a bit cautiously. Uh. We've had such a 81 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: better few months here for e M. A lot of 82 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: it though, has been driven by the external backdrop, so 83 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: improvement in China, commodities fall in the dollar, and so 84 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: far we actually haven't seen fundamentals really improve. So the 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: way that we're looking at emerge markets is still cautiously, 86 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: still looking at names that have had stable growth stories 87 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: for the past few years. Uh. And and some of 88 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: these countries include Korea, for example, Mexico. UH. So we're 89 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: looking at some of the still more cautious stable growth 90 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: stories as well as some markets actually that have just 91 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: become incredibly cheap. And here I would put Russia in 92 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: that category instead of a Brazil for example. Well, how 93 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: much does Brazil matter to the world at this point 94 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: or is it largely confined to Brazil. It certainly matters 95 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: for the Latin America region. Uh. It is the biggest economy, 96 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: the biggest market in Latin America. And you have seen 97 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: spillover effects from uh the weakening in the economy and 98 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: policy in Brazil. You've seen that spill over into other 99 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: economies and markets in the region. So I think it 100 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: it does have its importance within Latin America and emerging 101 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: markets sly uh and and so it would be a 102 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: really great sign to see things improved in Brazil like 103 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: they have in Argentina, right, I think that would be 104 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: a really important factor for the region and emerging markets. 105 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: One of our themes this morning, Gabriel and Gabriel Santos 106 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: with this folks with JP Morgan. One of our our 107 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: themes this morning has been cash flow. Can you a 108 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: judge or account cash flow around the world like you 109 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: can within the United States, and I mean within the 110 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: other major economies as well. Can you do free cash 111 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: flow on Philippine or Korean companies. It's it's certainly a 112 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: little trickier when you look at whether it's earnings or 113 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: whether it's cash flow for emerging markets, um and and 114 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: that's why we tend to prefer in terms of valuation measures, 115 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: we tend to prefer something like price to book for 116 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: emerging markets exactly for that reason. It's a little bit 117 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: more straightforward that way. Uh So we tend to look 118 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: at slightly differentvaluation measures for that reason. The Latin American 119 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: nations have been very differentiated over the last couple of years. 120 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: And then they seem to have converged. Over the last year. 121 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: You see Mexico, which was making a lot of progress 122 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: sort of slipped back. Is that all energy related or 123 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: is is there some other factor at work? From Mexico specifically, 124 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: I would say that there there are two components there. 125 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: There's the energy component, which has a big role to 126 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: play in the Mexican pesso and in general risk perception 127 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: there um. But Mexico is also a story about the 128 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: US UH. It's certainly very very tied to US manufacturing 129 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: UH and with the slowdown in US manufacturing last year, 130 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 1: a lot of it the effect of the strong dollar, 131 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: you see Mexico suffer as a result of that as well. 132 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: So two stories there. I would say from Mexico, for 133 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: the region as a whole, it does tend to be 134 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: a commodity story um. And you do see currencies and 135 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: risk perception generally for the region aligned with commodity prices. 136 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: I would say, go ahead. I would say that for 137 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: this year, what's been driving them higher has been that 138 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: commodity link they have in common as well as politics 139 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: UH and and anticipation. Right, so politics in Argentina and 140 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: Brazil and Peru that's been a common theme for the 141 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: region as well. Before we let you, guy gotta ask 142 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: um does Venezuela collapse? And is an investment implication for 143 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: that question? Good questions, UM. It is a very sad 144 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: example within our region. UH And I think I would 145 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: say investors have been waiting for a while for for 146 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: Venezuela to collapse so called um or or default in 147 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: its debt, and so far they have been able to 148 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: skirt that, a lot of it through loans from China actually, UM. 149 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: And so we're certainly edging closer and closer in Venezuela, 150 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: and it would be wonderful to see a shift in policy. 151 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: They're keeping pace with what we're seeing in the rest 152 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: of the region. Grim news out of Venezuela in the 153 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: last couple of days. Gabriel Santos thanking so much with 154 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: JP Morgan, appreciate her attendance. UH to finish up? Are 155 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: we Mike retail sells better than good. I think we're 156 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: gonna get adjustments up in the g d P view 157 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: each week and we get in the next week on 158 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: economic data and it's a big it's it's an interesting 159 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: week coming up. I mean, I guess c p I 160 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: is a huge deal along with you know, maybe we 161 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: get a turnaround an industrial production on the seventeenth. Well 162 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: right now it doesn't seem to be a yeah, a 163 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: little bit of improvement in industrial production is seen, so yeah, 164 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, those are the kind of things 165 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: where the the whole thing, to me, Mike, has been 166 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: allows the first quarter shift, second quarter hasn't happened, and 167 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: maybe today was the day it shifted. Where the optimists 168 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: get their two point eight or whatever statistics. It is 169 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: so hard to know because of the way we've been 170 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: buffeted by all of these and one off news events. 171 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: We'll see there it is. 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