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Speaker 1: Hello again everybody, and welcome to Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. The number, as always is

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Speaker 1: two oh one four five one three. I am Russ

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Speaker 1: Salzburg sitting next to me by buddy poly Dots Paul

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Speaker 1: de Tano for the second day in a row. Gotta

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Speaker 1: of this season, which is two games, and poly Dots,

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Speaker 1: some congratulations are in order. Yeah. The Giants wound up

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Speaker 1: placing three guys on the initial Pro Bowl rosters yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins, who was hurt obviously for the second straight year.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to be able to go because of injury.

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Speaker 1: And that's a shame because Landon is certainly one of

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Speaker 1: those guys you'd like to see him reap some rewards

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Speaker 1: for all of his hard work, but he will not

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Speaker 1: be able to go, of course, say Kwan Barkley, who

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Speaker 1: becomes the first Giants rookie, first Giants running back since

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Speaker 1: Tiki Barber in two thousand six, to be voted to

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl he does this in his rookie season,

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Speaker 1: he's third in the NFL rushing race, which is pretty

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Speaker 1: darn good. And then Aldrich Rosas and Josh Brown was

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Speaker 1: the last Giants kicker to go as you know just

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Speaker 1: a few years ago. But Rosas, who last year as

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Speaker 1: a rookie, had labored through some difficulties, you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of personal things going. He had the little baby born,

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Speaker 1: and and and he was trying to get his way

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Speaker 1: through the jump from Southern Oregon to the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Can talk about a leap, that's like jumping across the

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Speaker 1: Grand Canyon. That's how bigger jump that is. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's even bigger. You're going from Southern Oregon, not just

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League, but the Big Apple to

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants when unfortunately they're going through a

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Speaker 1: three and thirteen season where everybody is missed. But see

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Speaker 1: that was his benefit, Russ, because had he missed the

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Speaker 1: five field goals, I think that he missed last year

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Speaker 1: and had one or two of them lost them a win,

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Speaker 1: that may have prevented them to go to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: The the arrows and the flaming darts that would have

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Speaker 1: been shot into his back. People on the outside would

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Speaker 1: have demanded that he not returned, but because the Giants

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Speaker 1: were actually so bad last year, none of his missed

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Speaker 1: kicks hurt the team, so he was allowed to grow

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Speaker 1: and learn as a rookie. And this year he came

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Speaker 1: back so strong during the off season and everybody knew

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Speaker 1: that he had a terrific leg. And lo and behold,

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Speaker 1: not only does he set the Giants record with a

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Speaker 1: fifty seven yard field goal against the Bears, breaking Ali

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Speaker 1: Haji Sheiks mark of fifties six, he's now going to

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. And that's just a great story. So

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Speaker 1: good for him. Yeah, you can tell. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: was quite obvious how happy had coach Pat Sherman was,

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Speaker 1: you know, cold one of his favorite players. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: really did. And he folks, he wasn't just saying it.

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Speaker 1: He meant that, you can. He's just he's fond of

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Speaker 1: him and he's a young guy. Like you say, nobody listen,

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Speaker 1: if he wasn't re signed, nobody would have given it

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Speaker 1: a second thought. If he wasn't back with the Giants

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Speaker 1: this year, nobody would have given it a second thought.

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Speaker 1: But he has been back. He's had a terrific season.

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Speaker 1: In fact, pick Pat jokingly told him, you know he

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Speaker 1: had one blip this season was when he had a

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Speaker 1: he said he's allowed once, not one a year, one

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Speaker 1: one period, So he used that marker up. But like,

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Speaker 1: good for him. And then there were some guys who

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Speaker 1: were first alternate. So I couldn't be happier for Michael

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Speaker 1: Thomas because he's a good guy's a good player. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he was excused from practice today. The personal family illness

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Speaker 1: so good for him. Safety um alternate and who else?

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Speaker 1: There was one other another first Oh was a second

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Speaker 1: by the way, if you really wanted to shock me,

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Speaker 1: Rosas did not shock me. His inclusion on the team

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Speaker 1: as much as O'Dell being a second alternate, that just

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Speaker 1: blew my mind. Yeah, I kind of like with surprised

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Speaker 1: about that. I didn't get that. But let's listen. Bottom

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Speaker 1: go ahead and take care of business. We were talking

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Speaker 1: team that correct me if I'm wrong, paul and I

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Speaker 1: don't have their record in front of me. I believe

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Speaker 1: at one point one juncture in the season they were

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Speaker 1: Mahomes obviously comes up and well he should be uh

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Speaker 1: but let me tell you, Andrew Luck is all the

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Speaker 1: mean all the way back. He looks as good as new.

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Speaker 1: And before he was beset by injuries, he was the man. Well,

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Speaker 1: the thing about Luck, they've they've kind of changed a

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Speaker 1: little bit and now they're a real thinking dunk team. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's up at like six completes, but they're throwing a

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Speaker 1: ton of short stuff, just a ton. Having said that,

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Speaker 1: t Y Hilton still has one thousand yards this season,

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Speaker 1: and Eric Ebron has resurrected his career from a lot

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Speaker 1: of very unimpressive numbers with the Detroit Lions. He now

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Speaker 1: has twelve touchdown catches this season, which is tied for

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Speaker 1: second highest in the NFL. But but luck a couple

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Speaker 1: of things I want to make very clear here. You

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Speaker 1: can look at the Colts if you want to and

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Speaker 1: basically say, in some ways they are what the Giants

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Speaker 1: want to be a thousand percent. Okayn't agree with you.

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Speaker 1: They've got a stationary quarterback who was a pocket passer right,

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Speaker 1: he's thrown a bit more than he'd like, but he's

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Speaker 1: still his touchdown to deception ratios outstanding because he's second

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Speaker 1: the homes of Kansas City, Okay, um, he's got the

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Speaker 1: Remember he missed a bunch of games early in the season,

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Speaker 1: which is why he's under eight hundred yards for the year.

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Speaker 1: they're pretty good at Russian in the passer, but not great,

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Speaker 1: but they are solid. They don't miss a lot of tackles. Okay,

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Speaker 1: these are all characteristics the Giants want to be. And

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Speaker 1: may I add their offensive line, which was horrific just

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Speaker 1: the number? It is? Sixteen sacks they've given up and

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Speaker 1: Luck is having a sensational year and him and Beckham

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Speaker 1: and J. J. Watt all three could be considered the

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Speaker 1: comeback players of the year in the NFL. And why

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Speaker 1: are they doing it? They've got three first round draft

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Speaker 1: and that's how you get to the promised Land. Well, look, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: but they used them correctly without questions. Point to Nelson

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Speaker 1: players this year, it's really good. Really, we all knew

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Speaker 1: that though. Yeah, I mean, that's no surprise this season.

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Speaker 1: But again, and I stand corrected that they weren't one

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Speaker 1: in six. They were one in five, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: And when we tried to explain to people that, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe there's still a flicker. The Giants didn't take use

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Speaker 1: of that flicker, but the Colts have. Isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 1: What do you think the people in the Indianapolis was

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Speaker 1: saying when they were one in five. I I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: disagree with you on that. I don't know. Well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, the heat in in Indy is not quite

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Speaker 1: as uh no, it's not as the heat in here,

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Speaker 1: place is a broiler and it's become more more so

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Speaker 1: But but having said that, the the you know, the Colts, um, Listen,

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Speaker 1: the Colts were doing things though that the Giants weren't doing.

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Speaker 1: The Coats were win in those close games, you know.

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Speaker 1: Also after I mean, well, they went on a five

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Speaker 1: and the Giants started there mini run too late. The

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Speaker 1: two weeks too long. Really is what it comes down to,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you're looking at the Colts got healthy. Listen.

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Speaker 1: The Colts lost to the Jets. Okay, after that, they

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Speaker 1: swamped the Bills thirty seven to five. If they beat

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Speaker 1: a bad Radios team, they beat the Jaguars six. When

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Speaker 1: inexplicably the Dolphins, Yeah, inexplicably, they lose get shut out,

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Speaker 1: certain individuals. With the Giants, Johns are up against it

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Speaker 1: this week. Will make no mistake about that. We don't

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Speaker 1: but but he's working with the trainers inside and and

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Speaker 1: see that. That's the thing that makes me bristle. But

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Speaker 1: you know, people just don't know how hard this guy works.

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Speaker 1: You don't see he's not here. He's not sitting home

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Speaker 1: you know Pat Shermis said today, Listen, he says he's

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Speaker 1: feeling better. He's trying to get himself ready. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens. They're not gonna pack it in. When I

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Speaker 1: win the next two games. That's what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: Whether they're able to do that, that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 1: But this is not like, Okay, let's see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Let's rest this guy rest that guy Cody Latimer, by

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Speaker 1: the way, did you I don't know if you mentioned it.

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Speaker 1: He's up, he's up, he's up, he's practicing. Russell Shepard's

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Speaker 1: got the bad ankle. He's not working. He's in a

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Speaker 1: he was also on the bikes with Russell the Shepherd

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Speaker 1: earlier this morning. So I'd say odds don't look great

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Speaker 1: for them. Yeah. Uh, No, Beckham, you said Bladimer's up.

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Speaker 1: not bad, but Darius Leonard. Man. I was salivating over

426
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: that guy, and they got him in the second round.

427
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: Giants got will her Nandez. I'm not complaining, okay, but

428
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: this guy is the real deal. Uh. They'll blitz him,

429
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: they'll play him at the line. Uh, they'll use him

430
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: in coverage. Multifaceted linebacker. He's he's definitely a rookie to

431
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: year candidate. And the other thing is they'll do a

432
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: lot of disguising at the line rush. Remember last week

433
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: we saw the Titans do a lot of guys standing

434
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Speaker 1: up at the line and then backing out and then

435
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: cheating forward and backing out again. A lot of that

436
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Speaker 1: stuff off. You're gonna see that against the Colts. That

437
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: gave the Giants a tremendous amount of difficulty last weekend.

438
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Speaker 1: And if you were the Colts and A, that's what

439
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: you do normally anyway, and B you see the Giants

440
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: had problems with it, why wouldn't you do it again?

441
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: This is this is gonna be a heck of a

442
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: challenge for the Giants to turn things around. Yeah, and

443
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: I think this is I expect them to play better

444
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: than they did last week. I'd be shocked if they didn't.

445
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: But having said that, it remains to be seen if

446
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: that's going to be good enough because they're up against

447
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: the team that well, look, look, the team that they

448
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: were facing last week is also looking for a playoff birth.

449
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: So it's the same kind of deal that they're looking for.

450
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: When I go up against Luck is a lot more

451
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: dangerous than Mariota in the yes without question against the

452
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts and they are now in Indie. You know,

453
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: it's all fine and Danny that you know. Uh, Eli

454
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: Manning won a super Bowl there and an m v

455
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: P there. But you know, different team, different time. Let's

456
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Speaker 1: go to rose Hill and speak with our friend Jimmy. Jimmy,

457
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: how are you doing today? You're onund with Russ and Paul. Hey, guys,

458
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: how are you? How are you doing rose Hill? As

459
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: in Fordham the Bronx, That's correct, I love it. Class

460
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: of eighty six, my friend, how you doing? Are you really? Yes? Sir?

461
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 1: Oh do you follow the program at all? It has

462
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: been a while, Let's put it that way, but during

463
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: my time, got to get you. We got to get

464
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: your back involved. But this is not a Fordham show.

465
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: We gotta get your back. We gotta get your back,

466
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: We gotta get your back involved. Very good, very good

467
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: friends with Joe moorehead by the way. So but I'm

468
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: class of seventy two, so I'm old enough to be

469
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: your dad. Uh you know what I've been listening to

470
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Speaker 1: the last couple of days. Um, you know, you guys

471
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: know I've been a Giant fans. We've had season ticket

472
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: since sixty two, went to the first game in fifty nine.

473
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: They lose the game last week, and there's old this,

474
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, handwringing going on about how good how bad

475
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: they are. I've lived through a lot in my lifetime,

476
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: and while the last seven years in general, you know,

477
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: since less people haven't haven't been good, I've seen a

478
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: lot worse. So I'm not ready to, you know, jump

479
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: out in a ledge of over the Titan game. I

480
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: knew coming into the season they weren't There was a

481
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: lot of holes on that team that had to be

482
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: addressed and get Leman and Sherman and those guys are

483
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: doing that. But Paul let me just. I wanted just

484
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: and I hate doing this because it's so soap opera,

485
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: but I would like to just discuss, you know, my

486
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: feelings on the on this Eli thing. You know what

487
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: I love your show is it's not too much soap opera.

488
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into too much soap opera

489
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: with with the whole ELI stuff. How I view Eli,

490
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: and I've seen a lot of quarterbacks Eli, and my

491
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: estimation has been a very very good quarterback I never

492
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: really you know, I never really felt he was you know,

493
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: remember that whole controversy and talk about whether he was

494
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: an elite quarterback and not. But listen, he was a

495
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: very He's been a very good has been a very

496
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: very good quarterback for a long time, and all these

497
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: years for you know, I've been glad he's been out

498
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: of quarterback. And I looked at some of these other franchises,

499
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: but I think the time really has has come for

500
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: them to seriously think about finding a replacement for him.

501
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: They got, they've got, It's just obvious. I was all

502
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: in favor of the Barkley trade. I mean the Barkley selection.

503
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Speaker 1: I didn't think if if they felt at that point

504
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Speaker 1: that they didn't see a quarterback out there that was

505
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Speaker 1: worthy of the number two pick, and and and I

506
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: saw Barkley because more Head went off the Penn State

507
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: for the guy a lot. It's good, great to us,

508
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: But how I am businesses what I think Gettleman doing,

509
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: and what I think the direction this team is going,

510
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: and I think they have to draft the quarterback. And

511
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, I hate saying this because so many teams reach,

512
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: but I think they've got to find they've got to

513
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: find Elis. If it's a rookie next year is elies

514
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: last year, and then you start your rookie. This is

515
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: just my vision. You've got Balkley in his third year,

516
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: hopefully caught her. You're building a team around us. So

517
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: when you're dropping a rookie in, you know you're dropping

518
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: him in. He's got a year to sit under realized laugh,

519
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: and then he's got. Then ELI is gone. We got

520
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: the money and we got but they got that's a decision.

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Speaker 1: I think that is has to be met, Jimmy, Jimmy

522
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: this year, Jimmy, I think it has to be done. Jimmy.

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00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: Thanks for the calling, my friend. But but don't that's obvious.

524
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm not trying to be a

525
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: wise guy with of course that state and the obvious.

526
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: You know, whether we're big ELI fans, there's no question.

527
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: No one is going to dispute that here. But having

528
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: said that, of course they got to think about replacing them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be happening somewhere in the not

530
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: far off future. If you're asking us if these two guys, uh,

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Speaker 1: if he's gonna be back next year, if I would

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Speaker 1: if you ask me, I bet that number ten is

533
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: your quarter back for this, you know, starting next season.

534
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: Having said that, I'd also bet that they drafted a quarterback.

535
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: But that's I mean, that's comments say. You know what's funny, Russ.

536
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: I think that, you know when I get a lot

537
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: of the miserable comments on on Twitter, because I have

538
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: back Deli Manning as strongly as I have, But it's funny.

539
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: I would admit Eli Manning is on the back end

540
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: as you have as well. It's not that I don't

541
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: think they need to start thinking about the next guy.

542
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: Certainly they need to and if they can take somebody

543
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: and groom them much like remember now it didn't work

544
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: out very well, but they took Dave Brown, you know,

545
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: in the spring of ninety three, and he sat for

546
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: a year behind Phil Simms, who took the Giants to

547
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs in ninety three, then heard his rotator cuff

548
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: and was a salary cap cut, and then Dave Brown

549
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: took over ninety four. Now, it didn't work out very well.

550
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Dave Brown turned out to to not be the next guy.

551
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: But I have no problem with adding a young quarterback

552
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: to sit behind Eli. In two thousand, nineteen and when

553
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: his contract is up. If there's a new quarterback in

554
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty, I'm not I don't. I don't have

555
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: a problem with that. I'm not gonna fight that. But

556
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: I've said for the last two years, the earliest you're

557
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: going to see a new starting quarterback for the New

558
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: York Football Giants is two thousand twenty. And I still

559
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: believe that. I believe that too. You know a lot

560
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: of people I'm not talking about Eli now, you can

561
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: say with anybody, a lot of people football people believe

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00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: that a rookie the quarterback position is different than all

563
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: other positions. And a lot of people believe football people

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00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: that you know what, a rookie quarterback should sit and

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00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: watch for a whole season. Certainly didn't hurt Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: did it? No, And I'll tell you it's speaking of

567
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: an Yeah, he certainly has played this season. The Jet

568
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: game on Saturday. Okay, the Jet came on Saturday. I

569
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: forget who the announcer was, the analyst for the NFL Network,

570
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: but he brought out a point about one of the

571
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: reasons that Donald was playing so well was because he

572
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: got hurt and had to sit and watch it. Kurt

573
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: Warner maybe it was. I don't I don't recall, but

574
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: he had to sit and watch and remember he had

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00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: that great first game and then then things after, you know,

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00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: the three and three or whatever they were, they were fading.

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00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: You know, sitting and watching as a young quarterback. It's

578
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: not a bad thing. It's viewed by most solid football

579
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: people as a good thing. You know. Listen, sometimes the

580
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: situation calls for despotimes, calls for desperate measures. Somebody has

581
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: to be force fed. But you don't really want to

582
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: do that. But I I think if you asked me,

583
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: that's the game plan that they're gonna dre after quarterback.

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00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: You know where they're going to draft him. I don't

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00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: know who that quarterback is going to be. And I'm

586
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and tell you I know the

587
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: list of quarterbacks. And even when you tell me about,

588
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: for example, Justin Herbert or the kid from Ohio State Haskins,

589
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them on a regular basis where I've

590
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: watched them all the time to know that. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm not an assessor an assessor of talent like an

592
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: NFL personnel guy is. But you know, you gotta watch

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00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: him all the time trust. The producer here, Dave Dominic,

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Speaker 1: brought out some names of you know, running backs with

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings. Hall of Fame running Hall, Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame running backs, yet not not just Super Bowl Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame running backs. Marcus Allen, Jerome Bettis, Larry Sonka

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Speaker 1: Tharelle Davis, Tony Dorsetid Marshall, Folk, Frank o'harris, um, Walter Payton,

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00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: he was pretty good. John Riggins, uh Emmett Smith, Jim Taylor. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's see now. Riggins played with Joe thisman who was

601
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: not a Hall of Fame quarterback. Walter Payton played with

602
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: one Jim McMahon, who was not a Hall of Fame quarterback.

603
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: Other than that, every one of these other guys did

604
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: play with a Hall of Fame QB. Jim Plunkett is

605
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: not a Hall of Fame quarterback. Marcus Allen, he's not.

606
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: He's not, he's not. Otherwise, all of these other running

607
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: backs did play with a Hall of Fame QB. So

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00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's great if you can have both. If

609
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Speaker 1: you can have a Hall of Fame QB and the

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00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame QB running back, that's great. The point

611
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Speaker 1: is you can do it, well, Big, Ben's probably that

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00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: Ben will be I would think, I mean, but not,

613
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Speaker 1: I'd be shocked big. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, no,

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00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: you're right. Two or one five, one three is the

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00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: number before we get to another call. Got to remind

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Speaker 1: everybody Big Blue Kickoff live here presented Bike Corps Light download.

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Speaker 1: The as Light rewards have to win Amazing Giant Prizes

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00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: throughout the season, which is two games remaining in Indie

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Speaker 1: and at home against the Dallas Cowboys. Let's stay close

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00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: here in New Jersey and go to Paul. Paul, you're

621
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: on with Russ and Paul. How are you doing today?

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00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: Hello tonight, It's very good guys. How you doing right?

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Speaker 1: I have a question? First things first though, Russ, I'm

624
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: in your area. I'm nine Brooklyn Tech graduate. Oh you're

625
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: you're you're a year ahead of me, buddy, Yeah, yeah,

626
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: are you do? I haven't found the giants for many years.

627
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: Where I thought, where where are you? Where are you

628
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn? Or where? What part? What part? I was

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Speaker 1: Sunset Park? Okay, yeah, I'm sheep, said Bay. Go ahead, Paul.

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Speaker 1: What do you got? I know? I know? Well? Anyway,

631
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: a question? What's pick? Fort drop pick last year? Was

632
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: that a bad pick? Was it a waste will? Would

633
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: that even be the roster next year? We don't know that.

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00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody knows that. You know. Sometimes I get

635
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: asked that, Paul, You probably get asked that as well.

636
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: I don't know this. I can't assess that yet. We

637
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: don't know. And I know I know he had a

638
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: bad out and you know with you know, and the

639
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: one thing he had. Curious if if these last two

640
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: weeks that they prepped him and let him play it

641
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: a little with the first team in practice, Paul Barkley,

642
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: with him out in the backfield, you know, would he

643
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: have had a better you know, could he could could

644
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: sure him up, You prepare him more for being, you

645
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: know something, just to see what he has, whether he's

646
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: even good enough to be a backup next year or not. Okay, Paul,

647
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this simple. Russ told you guys just

648
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, and he's right. Rookie quarterbacks need

649
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: to be red shirted anyway. The plan usually if you

650
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: can avoid it, is not to play them, especially if

651
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: you have a veteran in front of them. We could

652
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: still get it done. So Loletta was not taking first

653
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: team reps for mostly this entire season, as he was

654
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: the number three. So so I would say this, I

655
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: would bet that the Giants would tell you now that

656
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: they need to probably get a good look at him

657
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: next training camp before they even decide one iota about

658
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: what his future is going to be. So if you're

659
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: asking me, do I think he'll be here next summer, yes,

660
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: I do. Now beyond that, he may have to compete

661
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: for a backup job and maybe he wins one and

662
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't. I'm I'm not gonna predict that because

663
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: I don't know who his competition is going to be.

664
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: But I think he'll be here next July. You know, Paul,

665
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: the fact that they made him the number three this week,

666
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: you know last week, you know, sort of like to

667
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: believe that they don't have that much faith in him.

668
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: But Paul, listen, you've heard me say this before, if

669
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: you've watched and listen, we're talking about We're talking about Paul.

670
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: A fourth round pick from Richmond, not not a first

671
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: round pick or a second round pick at a USC

672
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: or Noted Dame or Florida or Ohio State or Michigan. Okay,

673
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about a fourth round pick out of Richmond. Listen,

674
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: I get it. You know when you asked the question,

675
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: would it be a wasted pick? You know, I guess

676
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: you could say any time a guy doesn't make it,

677
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: it's a wasted pick. But you have to see you're

678
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: you're taking your chance when you're drafting him. I mean,

679
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: this wasn't like with This wasn't like when Gettleman said

680
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: Sae Kwan Barkley is the best athlete in the draft.

681
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: We gotta have him. We know what we're getting. You

682
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: didn't know what you're getting. You were taking a look,

683
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean First of all, in answer to

684
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: your question, I don't think his oh for five performance

685
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: when he got in in garbage time, as Marv Albot

686
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: would say against the Redskin, I don't think that has

687
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: anything to do with how they're judging his future. Okay,

688
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: it was garbage time. But as in terms of sitting

689
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: and water and sitting and watching, I agree with Paul.

690
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: You got to see him next year, see what happens.

691
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: But as far as these next two games, they want

692
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: to win the games. They want to win the games,

693
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: and I wanted to see something in him you know

694
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: with the Senior Bowl last year that he had something.

695
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the question the arm strength has

696
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: always been the question about him, and I just figured

697
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: this is a chance for them to at least get

698
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: so I want to think he be at least to

699
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: back up this week? Who kill you? Listen what we're

700
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: talking about, PAULI Why are we worried about a backup?

701
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: I want you want to win the games? Forget. Forget

702
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: worried about I realized the winning, you know, and and

703
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: the and the mentality of getting to win games. And

704
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: and they're out there to play, and they should play

705
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: and to do the best they can. And it's gonna

706
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: be a tough game. But we'll see what happens on

707
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: that one. All right, Paul, appreciate it, my Brooklyn Tech brother,

708
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, all right, thank you. You know,

709
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: and you I understand, Paul, he's a fan. He is

710
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: a good caller. But we're talking about a fourth round pick.

711
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: We're worried about the backup. I mean, for crant out

712
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: loud Monday, the first question was about little Letta to

713
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: Pat Sherman, I just it's mind boggling what has happened

714
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: here this narrative about just because, first of all, a

715
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: guy gets drafted in a fourth round out of Richmond,

716
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: he's anointed by people as the heir apparent. Who the

717
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: hell said that? Who came up with that? It's not

718
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: the case. Let's go to Connecticut, check in with Marco. Marco,

719
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: how you doing? You're on with Russ and Paul? What's

720
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: up fellas? Happy holidays? Hi st to you, Marco, all

721
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: the best you and your family. Thank you, Russ. I

722
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: I called about Eli, but I just think about law Letta.

723
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Speaker 1: You know what happened with law Letta? Is she He

724
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: was I believe the m v P of the Senior Bowl,

725
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: and he was discussed not really what those top tier

726
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: guys went in the first round, but kind of but

727
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: as like a hidden gem in the draft. I think

728
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: I think we let us um. You could view him

729
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: and maybe better, but like if you look at a

730
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: guy like Chase Daniel or in a case, Keenum has

731
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: now carved out a nice little thing for himself. He's

732
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: been compared to Keenum a lot. To be honest with you,

733
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: a lot of folks have said that. I would think

734
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: Shermer hasn't said this, and he may and he may not.

735
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: But if law Letta can learn the offense and really

736
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: develop in this offense and be a guy that could

737
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: be dependable to maybe come in here and there if needed. Um,

738
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I

739
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: don't and I don't, and I think if you just

740
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: let things be, let him come back, like like you said,

741
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: for another training camp, continue to develop. M I think

742
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: that's fine, you know, honestly, I think that's fine. Well,

743
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: there's certainly there's certainly a chance, based on Shermer going

744
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: with three quarterbacks on the fifty three this year, there's

745
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: certainly a chance they go with three again next year.

746
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: Nothing says you have to go with two. You could

747
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: go with three and maybe let us on this team

748
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: with Eli Manning and perhaps a rookie draft choice that

749
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: could That could certainly be the case. You know, it's

750
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: it's foolish to rule anything out. Well, let's going to

751
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to compete for one of those fifty

752
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: three spots next July. I'm pretty confident about that. Well,

753
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: so so here here's my thing about Eli and I've

754
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: been listening to the last couple of days of shows

755
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: have been dynamite um, Eli and you guys have been

756
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: in this market for so long. I would love to

757
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: know after the call. Has there been a more polarizing

758
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: conversation or figure in New York sports than Eli. It's

759
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: almost like when you're talking now, it's become like a

760
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: political conversation and you have to you have to be

761
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: on one side or the other. You know what, Marco,

762
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: you bring out a very good point. It is almost

763
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: like a political conversation. I think. One of the reasons

764
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: it has become this way, uh and uh, Like I say,

765
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: I've been covering them well. One of the reasons. First

766
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: of all, social media has a lot to do with it. Okay,

767
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: it's like Paul uses the term clickbait all the time.

768
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: What's gonna attract more remarks, more more issues on Twitter.

769
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: The other thing is, and I have to say this,

770
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: the media has changed. The media. It's people. It's you

771
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: want to be controversial. You will also with information. Rather

772
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: than worrying about being right, you want to be first.

773
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: It's just changed. It's completely changed. Now. I will say this,

774
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody, especially in this down a star

775
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: player who's given so much, who has been a perfect

776
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: gentleman in every way, shape or form, be disrespected the

777
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: way has been disrespected the last year and a half.

778
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: Russ I heard I heard you say that yesterday, and

779
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: when you said that, I agreed. It hit me, to

780
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: be honest with you, because I'm such an ELI supporter

781
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: that I actually I felt badly hearing that. Um. But

782
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: here's the part that gets me really upset about Eli.

783
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: You there's no way to sugarcoat that that I think

784
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: this guy is at some point gonna be a Hall

785
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: of Fame player. It bothers me that his record has

786
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: gone the way that it has. It has bothered me

787
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: that the last seven years. If we're talking, and this

788
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: is why it's also he's polarizing because when you look

789
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: at his record and you look at what's occurred around

790
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: here with a Hall of Fame caliber player, it just

791
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: doesn't add up, right. So so so then when we

792
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: talk about social media and you talk about quickbait, a

793
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: lot of these people are not They're not raising that

794
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: conversation they're making about his They're making it about his play.

795
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: And I think Eli can still play, But I am

796
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: worried if the rest of the team is is caught

797
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 1: up with him, and we're not talking about a thirty

798
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: year old guy anymore. We're talking about a thirty eight

799
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: year old guy. But Marco, wait a minute, let me understand.

800
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm kind of misunderstanding. What do you mean if the

801
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: rest of the team is caught up with him? Well, well,

802
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: because I think I think, Paul, you brought up Denver

803
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: yesterday and Peyton Manning's last year, and I thought about

804
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: that too a lot, and I and I actually think

805
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: about Pat Shermer coach in the offense with Case Kingdom

806
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: last year. But the both things those two teams had

807
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: in common were a demolishing defense and a and a

808
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: great money game, which I think is building with the Giants.

809
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: But we we don't have those other components to allow

810
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: Eli to go in and be successful in those types

811
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: of siste. Dave Gettleman needs one more year to get

812
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: those other components in place. That's what he hurts, one

813
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: more off season to do it. You're listed odds, dearest, Paul.

814
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: I hope so, because because then then it comes back

815
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: to this. I don't I don't want to keep running

816
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: him out there and keep accumulating losses for the franchise.

817
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: For him, it's just he's a all of same player.

818
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: He's he rush. You're right, he should be respected, but

819
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: it's it's not right to keep coming back and backing

820
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: up these losing seasons with another losing season. Well yeah,

821
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: but but Marco, you gotta remember something. This is a

822
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: new administration, you know, don't don't punish Dave Gettleman and

823
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: Pat Schumer for the previous administration. That's not fair. This

824
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: is this is you took the words out of my mouth, Paul.

825
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: This is this is Dave Gettleman. He's had one season

826
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: and now he's going to go into a second season. Uh,

827
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: what do you say yesterday? What do we say yesterday?

828
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: Paul thirteen that there there were thirteen guys on the

829
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: team from last year, active guys from last year's team,

830
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: and and you know you want to move forward. But

831
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: and listen, I'm not I'm not in here playing violins

832
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: because Eli is being criticized. Okay, as you've heard me

833
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: say several times, the quarterback, be it Eli or anybody else,

834
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: is always the lightning rod. That's the way it is.

835
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:21,479
Speaker 1: The quarterback position is not probably it's it's the most

836
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: important position in all of sports. You know, the the

837
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: guy is touching the ball every every down. Okay, he's

838
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: the guy that clearly the guy that drives the bus,

839
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: and you know it's a situation that he needs help.

840
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, for one of the things you were talking about,

841
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: what I want to see? You know what I want

842
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: to say. Has the offensive line improved from the first

843
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: half of the season. Yes, it has, But I want

844
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: to see more. I I you know what, if I'm

845
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: gonna see a hundred and seventy yards from from uh

846
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: Sa Kwan Barkley, I don't want to see a hundred

847
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: and seventy yards, a hundred of those having to come

848
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: on to fifty yard or a seven yard run, a

849
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: fifty year r You know what I want to see.

850
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: I want to see the offensive line shoving them taking

851
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: say Quan and shoving them down a defensive lines throat.

852
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: Let me let me help you out here. Let me

853
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: let me help you out there. I'll let you finish.

854
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: I want to help you out here because I think

855
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: I know where you're going. But I'm gonna make it

856
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: a lot simpler for you if you if you continue

857
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: to build the offensive line, You've already got the running game.

858
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: You've got an offensive line that's on its way to

859
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: becoming a whole lot better. Now, if you continue to

860
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: build that and build the defense in this offseason, not

861
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: only are you giving Eli Manning a chance to do

862
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: something positive in two thousand nineteen, potentially a playoff spot,

863
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: but you're also setting yourself up for two thousand twenty

864
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: when you may have a new quarterback playing. He may

865
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: be younger, he may be inexperienced, he may even be

866
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: a rookie. Could you imagine now if this team goes

867
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: according to plant and the blueprint work, and they built

868
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: that defense next year, and they've got a better offensive line,

869
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: and they've got Beckham and Barkley and Ingram, Now you're

870
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: sticking in a young quarterback in what is a perfect

871
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: scenario for him to have a chance to succeed. So,

872
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: so do you see this is not just about making

873
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: things better for Eli. This is about making things better

874
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: for the future, for the next three, four or five

875
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: six years of this franchise, so that you improve the

876
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: situation for Eli one, but for the next quarterback to

877
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: when he steps in. Only only someone with their eyes

878
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: glued shut cannot see this. I'm with you, no, no,

879
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and and look too when you as

880
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: you say that, two teams that jump out, and I'm

881
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: really impressed about what they've been able to do. Our

882
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: Indianapolis will see them this weekend. While luck has been out,

883
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: they've gone out, They've drafted well, and they've rebuilt that

884
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: team too. We're is going to be a now a

885
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: good solid team going forward. And the other team that

886
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm quietly really impressed by is Seattle. Seattle completely cut

887
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of their veterans. They revamped their team. They

888
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: have a high priced quarterback, and they have a punishing

889
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: running game. And that's a team that I would say

890
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: I would love to model what those two teams are doing.

891
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: You guys are the best appreciated. Thank you, Marco. All

892
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: the best to you, buddy, have a good holiday. Um well,

893
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: you know again, I keep saying it, and I guess

894
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: that's why it's always talking about the quarterbacks are always

895
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: the lightning rode. But but I just think this this

896
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: discussion with you know, I guess it was most of

897
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: the previous goal with Loletta and the backup and and

898
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: doing this and that. I just it's it's become it's

899
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: taken on a life of it. So I will tell

900
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: you this, Russ, and I mean this many times over

901
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: this week, the two shows that we have done, we

902
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 1: have had a very large majority of calls in favor

903
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: of ELI this week. Now, I know this came after

904
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: I don't think we've had any negative Eli, and I

905
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: know this is coming now after the Giants have gone

906
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: four and two since to buy. So maybe he just

907
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: had to show a lot of the doubters over the

908
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: course of that month that he still had it. Maybe

909
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: that's what it took to have a lot of people

910
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: wake up and smell the roses. But it's also coming

911
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: on the heels of a seventeen nothing s thinker rue

912
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: by everybody. Yeah, it was just a horrible game for everybody,

913
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: including Eli. He did not play well, although seven drops,

914
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: but he did not play well. It was one of

915
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: one of his lesser games of the season, no question

916
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: about it. But I think I'm finally starting to see

917
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: and even even the miserable tweets that I get that

918
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: are anti ELI, are starting to slow down. I think

919
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: people are finally starting to understand the fact that this

920
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: guy is going to be the quarterback next year, and

921
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: he's got something left in his tank and That's great

922
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: because they're finally seeing through the shallow clickbait has been

923
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: forced down their throats for the last year. You just

924
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: said something, though, and that that goes into kind of

925
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about. Everybody played lousy Sunday. We

926
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: said it was a stinkeroo ass, whooping, butt kicking, whatever

927
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: you want to call it, top to bottom, all fifty

928
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: three guys, including the coaches, everybody, all right, but all

929
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: anybody was talking about on Monday or after the game,

930
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, on Twitter, on websites whatever was Eli, what

931
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: you know, here we go again. You got to get

932
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: a replacement this and that that. Nobody was talking about

933
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: what you just said. And I'm not putting you know,

934
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: everybody shares the blame, but nobody was talking about seven drops.

935
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: Nobody was talking about any of that. Shepherd had four,

936
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: by the way, and I'm a big sterling Shepherd fan.

937
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: Three of them came on third down and crucial, like

938
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: like the first drive of the game was a m

939
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: off his chest. Maybe if he catches that, they go

940
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: in to score on that drive. I'm just saying, but

941
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: that's what the quarterback is in particular. Eli. I don't

942
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: know how it got this way. Honest to god, I

943
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: don't know, but it got this way. It's it's just

944
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: they're being fed that stuff at the news standing. That's

945
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: how it got that way. You know what's it's not.

946
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: But let's be fair, it's not even just a news stand.

947
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: It's on the air, quite frankly, it's on what a

948
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know what the hell they're talking

949
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: about anyway. Yeah, no, no, but but really no, I'm

950
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: not just gonna I don't want to beat it anymore because,

951
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: like I said, I've seen the tide turn a little bit,

952
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: so I don't want to. I don't want to keep

953
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: going there because people are starting to smart enough. That's

954
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: a good thing. Yeah, I just think. I mean, you know,

955
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: like we were there today. You stand there, you stand

956
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: at his locker. You'll watch Eli answer the questions over

957
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: and over again. You know, the guy wants to win.

958
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: He's a professional, he goes. I mean, folks, I can

959
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: tell you this watching Eli at his locker today. Okay,

960
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: on a five and ninth season where people have been

961
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: calling for his neck and this and that, on a

962
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: five and ninth season in what's this is? Fifteen season,

963
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: his demeanor at his locker today was no different than

964
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: he was going into his two Super Bowl seasons. None.

965
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: The same guy, the same exact guy. You would not

966
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: know what the hell the difference was between then and now.

967
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: I R yeah sure. And by the way, by the way,

968
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: I'm glad you just mentioned his fifteen season because one

969
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: of the heavy critics, critics, criticisms that has been levied

970
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: against him is that he's not standing in there enough

971
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: now to take those punishing hits. He's a little bit

972
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: more apt to eat the ball and take the sack, right,

973
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: That's what they're saying about it. Okay, now think about this.

974
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: The reason he's doing that is because he's trying to

975
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: survive so that he can play another down for this team.

976
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: Because he realizes, perhaps more than any of the knuckleheads

977
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: out there who don't, that his availability is the most

978
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: valuable thing to this franchise. Because if Eli Manning gets

979
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: whacked because he stood in there and fired a forty

980
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: yard pass down field and has to get taken off

981
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: or carded off the field and has to miss the

982
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: rest of the game or god forbid, many more weeks,

983
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: that does not help this franchise. Okay, it does not

984
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: help Pat Shermer and Dave Gettleman to have to start,

985
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: with all due respect Alex Tanney or Kyle Loletta in

986
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: the ensuing weeks, you're starting quarterbacks. Availability in this game,

987
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: in this modern area of Pro football is a very

988
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: valuable and rare commodity. And Eli Manning, who took a

989
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: beating in two thousand eleven and leading the Giants to

990
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: his Super Bowl, remember the San Francisco game, No, he's

991
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: not gonna take that beating again because at this stage

992
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: of his life and of his career, and with a

993
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: team that is just trying to get back to respectability,

994
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: the last thing they need is to put their starting

995
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: quarterback on injured reserve. So for every person who marvels

996
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: at his consecutive game streak, even though it was snapped

997
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: by coach Ben McAdoo, and every person who says fifteen

998
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: years in the league, wow, that's incredible. Isn't it just

999
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: amazing that he's an iron man, never having missed the

1000
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: game due to injury. Well, part of the reason is

1001
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: because he's so smart, and he is so unselfish, and

1002
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 1: he is such a team player. That's that's why. So

1003
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: then you can't slam him for protecting his own physical

1004
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: body and well being because he's protecting the team when

1005
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: he goes down for a sack. They could the idiots

1006
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: who actually think that that's a valid criticism of all

1007
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: the characteristics and trace you just mentioned throwing, toughness, just

1008
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: so you know, throwing. And by the way, he's taking

1009
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: a career high in sacks this year, and yeah, like

1010
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: I said, six and counting where his previous high, and

1011
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: counting with two games to go where his previous high.

1012
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: I think. So, so, okay, standing there, okay, plant your feet,

1013
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: step into the throw, get smacked on the knee, and

1014
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: be out for the rest of the season. So you

1015
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: could make that one fifty yard pass to make all

1016
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: the critics happy that you stood in there and you

1017
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: made the throw. Boy, how stupid would that be? Think

1018
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: about that? Russ? Well, like I say, uh, we both

1019
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: believe that Eli is going to be here. Um, I

1020
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: like nothing better. It's holiday time, coming Christmas time. I

1021
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: nothing better for Elich kumbaye yah, my lord kumbayah. Now

1022
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: let him go in and take care of business the

1023
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: next two games. But as you and I both say,

1024
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 1: I think that I really do and I haven't said

1025
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: this all season long. I just think, well, you know,

1026
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: let me see who's gonna play for the Giants. Also,

1027
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm not sure yet, I don't

1028
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: know what the status is going to be. Uh, you

1029
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: know with Odell, I mean to me, that's a big

1030
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: factor in the game. If O'Dell is going is a

1031
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: big deal to h No, No, whatever the illness he's got,

1032
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: if it's flu and and he's weakened or can't play,

1033
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, I guess, I guess Davis has to step

1034
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: up and play inside with good. But but but it's

1035
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: a big loss. I'm not saying no, but illness today

1036
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: a flu bug on Wednesday is not a flu bug.

1037
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: If that's what it is, I don't know. And he's

1038
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: got a belly, you know, I don't know, food poisoning,

1039
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: who knows what every whatever the case, folks, Listen again,

1040
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: gotta remind everybody that you've been watching Big Blue Kickoff

1041
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,600
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1042
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1043
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1044
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: all of you celebrating a very merry Christmas, enjoy the holidays.

1045
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Because next Tuesday is Christmas, we will not have a

1046
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: big Blue Kickoff live, so I will be back with

1047
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,920
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1048
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,920
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1049
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to all of you, Happy and healthy to

1050
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: all you, all of you and your families, and will

1051
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: see you next Wednesday.