1 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horschak. 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: All right, today we have doctor Amy Addis in the 3 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: Vets office. She is the og house call veterinarian from 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: New York City and she recently released the book Pets 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: in the City. This book details her thirty four year 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: career from its inception throughout all the peaks and valleys 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: that followed. We hear about your journey to becoming a veterinarian. 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: How you met your husband, Steve. I love that story, 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: by the way, how you built your own house call practice, 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: and the many behind the scenes tales of working with 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: some pretty high profile clients in their homes. From an 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: anal Gland expression, hitting one of your owners in its 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: own two pe to sprinting down Second Avenue with a 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: cat Carrie in hand. The storytelling in this book is amazing. 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: I loved it. So welcome, doctor Amy. 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm so happy to be here with you. 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: We are really and by me and Sia. Sia is 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: here with me today. We are so excited to have you. 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: I really want to dive into the book, but before 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 2: we do, we always start with a case of the week, 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: and I was thinking, since you were here, I would 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: let you take over and share one of my favorite 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: cases from the book this week. 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: I love the way you frame that, because one of 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: my favorite cases was on a Saturday night when I 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: was at home getting dressed to go to the opera 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: with my husband, and the house phone rang and I 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: picked it up, and I couldn't quite hear what the 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: person was saying. There was so much static on the line, 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: and she kept calling back and calling back until finally 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: we had a clear line. And what I heard on 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: the other end was Amy, this is Share. I'm landing 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: at midnight. Can you see my dog? And I'm like share? 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: And my husband said, who's on the phone chair? And 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm like no. 36 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: Share. 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: So she had been filming a movie in Italy called 38 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Tea with Mussolini, and there was a little stray dog 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: on the set and she decided to take him home. 40 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Sounds familiar. 41 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: That sounds very familiar. 42 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: He had a terrible ration itch. So from the plane 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: she decided that she wanted a house call when she 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: landed at midnight. And even though I was going out 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: that night, the opera was over at a quarter of twelve, 46 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: it was perfect. I would go out with my husband 47 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: and then I would go meet Art and take care 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: of her puppy. 49 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: That works out nicely, so it. 50 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: Worked out nicely. I examined the dog. Unfortunately, she wasn't there. 51 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: It was her staff that was there. I examined the 52 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: dog and I diagnosed the dog with a condition called 53 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: sarcoptic mange. Major little bugs that live in the skin. 54 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: They cause enormous itching and they're contagious to people, one 55 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: of the few things that are contagious to people. And 56 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: I gave strict instructions that he shouldn't be held, and 57 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: if he was sleeping someplace, we should clean the sheets, 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: et cetera. And he needed a follow up injection in 59 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: two weeks. The injection that I gave is a drug 60 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: called ivermectin, and it stings like the dickens, and I 61 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: warned everyone that was there, this is going to really burn, 62 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: he might cry whatever, and he was just as calm 63 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: as can be. What was his name, His name was Pepo. 64 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: People people there the p so two weeks later it 65 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: was time for his follow up injection. She was now 66 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: staying in a hotel, so I went to make a 67 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: hotel visit and I do that often for people who 68 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: are traveling through New York and they need travel papers whatever, 69 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: and also really fun for a lot of celebrities. And 70 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: again I thought, this is my chance to meet Cher. 71 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: And I get to the hotel and she's not there. 72 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: So it's like the most beautiful hotel suite I've ever seen. 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: They bring people in to see me. People looks much 74 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: much better. But I'm a little alarmed because they're holding 75 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: him in their arms and they're not wearing any protective clothing. 76 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: But he did look a lot better. So when I 77 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: went to give him his second injection, I expected him 78 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: to behave like he did for the first injection, but 79 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: this time he screamed like I was murdering him, and 80 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: the door flew open, and Income Share yelling what did 81 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 1: you do to my dog? And Share had her hair 82 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: and rollers white face cream on and she was wearing 83 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: a bathroom Did you almost die? I almost thought, so. 84 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: I explained what was wrong with her dog, and that 85 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: it was giving the second injection, and you know, at 86 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: this point, you shouldn't be contagious any longer, and she 87 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: said contagious. Nobody told me contagious, and then she lipped 88 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: open her bathroom and she was there in her total 89 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: body nakedness to ask me if the rash that she 90 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: had on her belly was the same thing that the 91 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: dog had, and then she thought about it for a 92 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: second and she said, no, I think I had this 93 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: before I got the dog closed up and left. So 94 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 1: that was my meat and great from Share. 95 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 3: You got a full frontal nude show. 96 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: I got there full share show. 97 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: I love that in the book you said your veterinary 98 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: nurse on the way out was like, damn, I really 99 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: got to get back to Pilate's. 100 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: She's in good shame. 101 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: She looks amazing for her age. That is hilarious. So 102 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: I'm assuming people did great. Sharon did not have. 103 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: Maids exactly and exactly tell but just to let you 104 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: know that when you do house calls, I do experience 105 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: things that are different from what you do in a 106 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: animal hospital. That is not the only time that I 107 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: saw a client in their full nakedness. I mean there 108 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: are times when we were in the doorbell and a 109 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: client answers the door with insufficient clothing on, and we'll say, like, 110 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: you know what, we have time, please go put something 111 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: on and we'll wait out here. 112 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: We don't need to see that we don't. That is 113 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: so funny. Yeah, I can't. I'm sure. 114 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: I mean I got a little glimpse from the book, 115 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: but I can't imagine the things that you've seen. 116 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: So I come home every day from work and say 117 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: to my husband, you will not believe what happened today. 118 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: And that, of course was the genesis of the book, 119 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: because I went in the other room and thought, I'll 120 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: remember this forever, and then I think, let me just 121 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: write a little something down so truly I remember the 122 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: stories forever. Need a one word clue, and that's what 123 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: I did, and eventually I realized I have a lot 124 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: of great material here. 125 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and here it is. 126 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: One of the things I loved that you talked about 127 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 2: in your book was your journey to veterinary school. That 128 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: really resonated with me. And one of the quotes that 129 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: you said was I needed a stellar GPA, stratospheric test scores, 130 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: unreserved recommendations, and wide ranging extra curricular experience. And what 131 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: I found in my journey to BET school is the 132 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: extra curricular experience. They really put a huge emphasis on that, 133 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: I think more so than human doctors, because we get 134 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: small and will experience most people pre vet, but then 135 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: you have to go out and work at a zoo 136 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: or large animal I mean you're doing things that you 137 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: would never even be dreaming about just in order to 138 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: even get considered at a bet school. 139 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: So one of the things that a lot of people 140 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: don't realize is how competitive it is to get into 141 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: veterinary school. And I think most students in veterinary school 142 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: really have an idea of what it's going to be 143 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: like to be in this field. Others go on for 144 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: secondary education professional school, but they don't know what it's 145 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: like to be a lawyer, they don't know what it's 146 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: like to be a doctor. We actually have to get 147 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: practical experience beforehand. I think a lot of that is 148 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: to weed out people who might think being a veterinarian 149 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: is all about playing with puppies and kittens. It's my 150 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: favorite part of the job, but it's a small part 151 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: of the job. I mean a lot of that is 152 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: dealing with, you know, medical problems, and dealing with the 153 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: emotions and sort of helping families deal with how to 154 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: care for their pets who were really sick. And you 155 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: should know that before you devote that all those years 156 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: and all that money into becoming a veterinarian. 157 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. 158 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: One of the stories you told was about working on 159 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: a dairy farm and doing manual labor, and I had 160 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: a very similar experience where I worked at a zoo 161 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: and the zookeepers are like, well, we don't know what 162 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: to do with this girl, so I shoveled bison poop 163 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: for a whole summer. 164 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: I've had a similar experience. 165 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: I never had bigger biceps in my whole life. Came 166 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: home for a weekend and my mom was like, oh 167 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: my god, and I was like, yeah. 168 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: Well, as I say in the book, I had to 169 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: cut the seams of my shirt sleeved shirts because my 170 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: arms had gotten so big. But there's another possibility. I 171 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 1: was working upstate New York on a very very large 172 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: dairy farm, and about two miles from the farm there 173 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: was an ice cream parlor where they made fresh ice cream, 174 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: so there was a daily hot fodge Sunday that might 175 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: have had something gg you know, the change in my 176 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: size keeping up. 177 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 3: You were working hard and I trained you well. 178 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: I mean I used to eat a dan and yogurt 179 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: for breakfast back then I started eating three peanut butter 180 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: and jelly sandwiches. I could not keep up with how 181 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: much energy I needed to work on a floor. 182 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: I remember being starving. 183 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: Great deal of respect for people who farm. 184 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: People do always ask like, why didn't you go into 185 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: farm animal medicine or horses, And I'm like, I don't 186 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: think people realize the the labor involved in it and 187 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: what a taxing job it is, and so I respect 188 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: them so much. 189 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: So from what I know about you from listening to 190 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: your show, I feel like you had the same thing 191 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: that I had, which was a calling that we had 192 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: to do this, and for me it was clear. I 193 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: love all animals, but my calling was to be a 194 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: veterinarian for dogs and cats likewise. 195 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: And I think a really special part about that, and 196 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: what you talked about in your book and especially making 197 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: house calls, is that in caring for these pets by extension, 198 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: we also care for their owners, and I think that 199 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: we really get to know them very well, and that 200 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: as one of my favorite parts of my job. 201 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: It sounds like it's one of yours as well. 202 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: It is, you know, one of the things that I 203 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: wish I had even more training in, because most of 204 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: my training has been from my years of doing it. 205 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: Was like a little bit more about human psychology, because 206 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: I really we deal with people in some of the 207 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: most difficult times of their lives, and you know, of 208 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: course we have empathy for them because we've all been there. 209 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: Having an aging pet or having a really sick pet. 210 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: We're having to say goodbye to a pet is truly 211 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: one of the most traumatic days of someone's life, maybe 212 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: the most. And yeah, and people say that, I hate 213 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: to I don't like the way this comes out, but 214 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: people will say to me, I didn't cry this much 215 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: when my parent died. 216 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I hear that all the time, and. 217 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, obviously we all love our parents, 218 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: but we don't get into bed every night with our parents, 219 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: and we often get into bed with our pets, and 220 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: when they're not there, that loss is really really palpable. 221 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree with that. 222 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: And I just to touch on what you said, I 223 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: think part time, we are part time therapists and part 224 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: time veterinarians. And it's funny because you hear all of 225 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: us say we went to med school because we love 226 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: animals and working with animals, but the reality is that 227 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: the majority of our days are spent working with people 228 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: and Luckily we enjoy doing that, so. 229 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: You're one hundred percent right. And when I counsel people 230 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: who want to become veterinarians, and by the way, like 231 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: Orders of Magnets, more since the book has come out, 232 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: where younger people are calling me and saying, I read 233 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: your book, I really want to be a veterinarian. But 234 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: if the point is I only want to I want 235 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: to be a vet because I only want to work 236 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: with animals, this isn't the right job for you, you know, 237 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: because they don't come in by themselves. They come in 238 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: with people, and your communication is with the people. 239 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: And it's been so nice for me, Like I don't 240 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: think I was expecting this, but a lot of my 241 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: lifelong friends now have are my clients that I've met 242 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: through taking care of their animals. So it's been such 243 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: a pleasant surprise for me for. 244 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: Me too, But you have to be careful. They don't 245 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: get discounts just because they've become. 246 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: You're right, you hear that, friends. I guess one of 247 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: the questions I had for you is in working with 248 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: it sounds like a lot of people you got close 249 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 2: to you were pretty high profile. And what I have 250 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: noticed on this podcast especially as we'll have stars, country 251 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: music stars or like Bobby Bones come on and you 252 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: talk to them about their career and their goals, and 253 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: they're kind of one person, and then when you talk 254 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: to them about their animals, you can just see like 255 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: a completely different side of them. I think just from 256 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 2: watching her on TV that Joan Rivers is pretty intimidating. 257 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: I'm assuming that you probably saw a lot more of 258 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: a softer side to her with her animals. 259 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: I saw all sides of Joan Rivers. She was an 260 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: enormous personality. She was driven in a way that very 261 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: few people are. When I would go into her home 262 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: to work with the dogs, there would be posted on 263 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: the refrigerator her daily schedule, and it said things like 264 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: up at five, exercise, makeup, leave for studio, and then 265 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: her entire day was calculated down to the moment and 266 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: it ended at midnight. I mean, she was very regiment, 267 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: old enough to be more than my mother, and she 268 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: had a schedule that would have run me into the ground. 269 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: So she was an enormously busy person and she was 270 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: extremely demanding, and her dogs were so important to her. 271 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: So I was used to getting yelled at on occasion 272 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: or emails that I wish she had never sent to me. 273 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: But when she was finished with that, she turned out 274 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: to be, of course a very dear friend. So we 275 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: would go through the cycles of Joan's love and her wrath. 276 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: She was an enormous supporter of mine when I started 277 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: my house call practice, she told everyone she knew. The 278 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: relationship over those years turned into a lovely, lovely friendship 279 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: where we went out to dinner together. I mean she 280 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: called one day. We had homes close to each other, 281 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: about one hundred miles north of New York City, and 282 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: she called and said, take me to the movies on 283 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: Saturday night. 284 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: So it was like she didn't ask. 285 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: Of course, she didn't. 286 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: Ask a question. 287 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: She would have the most beautiful dinner parties where the 288 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: group of people around the table were just from all 289 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: different types of parts of her life, and every person 290 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: felt like they were the guest of honor. She was 291 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: an enormously gracious, warm, loving person with a little bit 292 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: of a biting part of her person. 293 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: You don't want to be on her bad side. Oh no, 294 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: I love the story about her Yorky. I think it 295 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: was a Yorky that you had encouraged her to get 296 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: a surgery that she did not really want to do, 297 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: and then she ended up doing it and was like, 298 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: I was right to do it. 299 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: Well, she was never wrong, of course, but you know, 300 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: like even with her first Yorkee Spike, Spike went to 301 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: work with her wherever she was. He traveled around, he 302 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: was part of the show, and I recommended that because 303 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: he wasn't feeling well, that maybe she would leave him 304 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: out of the show that week and he should stay home. 305 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: And like all of a sudden, you know, she had 306 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: just looked at me and she said, don't tell me 307 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: what to do, just make my dog well enough to go, 308 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: Like you didn't, I was mess with them exactly. 309 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: Wow. 310 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny we do, even if they're not famous. 311 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: You have everybody that's a ugineer and has owners that 312 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: can be a little bit more demanding, and I think 313 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: our job is to kind of look past that and see, like, Okay, 314 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: where's this coming from. They just really, at the core 315 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: of it, love their pet and want their pet to 316 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: be okay. 317 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: I had a client who moved to New York after 318 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: he retired. He had been a movie producer, so he 319 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: moved from California to New York and he lived in 320 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: his apartment with his two cats, and he paged me 321 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: on a Saturday night for an emergency, and I called 322 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: him back immediately. I said, what's the problem. He said, 323 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: my cat just scratched me with his nails. His nails 324 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: are too long. Come and cut them. I said, it's 325 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: ten o'clock and a Saturday night, don't. I don't make 326 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: house calls. If you truly had an emergency, it would 327 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: help you. But I'm not coming to cut your cat's nails. 328 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: And he kind of hesitated and said, you know, in La, 329 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: nobody would ever say no to me. So he was 330 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: like being brought back into the real world. 331 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like New York. No means no, and you're retired. Yeah, 332 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: exactly exactly. 333 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: Another thing that you talked about in the book that 334 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: I really loved and I have seen with my own 335 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: experience as a veterinarian, is that no, there is no 336 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: such thing as a disabled pet, and so we have 337 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: a lot of patients that require amputations, or they lose 338 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: an eye, or they go deaf, and so I really 339 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: loved how you put an emphasis on that. I think 340 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: I tell my owners all the time. We can learn 341 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: so much from our animals. I have had dogs going 342 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: through chemo that are bouncing around and rolling in the grass. 343 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: Dogs on three legs or cats on three legs that 344 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: would never know the difference. And if someone cut my 345 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: leg off, I probably would be in bed crying about 346 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: it for six months. 347 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: You're the rest of my life. Who knows. But they 348 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: are just so resilient in that way. 349 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: They're amazing. I learned that very much so from personal experience. 350 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: I found a dog one day tied to a tree. 351 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: I had a pug when I was a little girl, 352 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: so I'm drawn to pugs. I love them. And I 353 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: walked up to pet this pug tie to a tree, 354 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: and I saw a note that said I am blind, 355 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: Please take good care of me. So I untied him. 356 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: I was in veticol at the time I brought him 357 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: into the hospital. I had him checked out by the 358 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: clinicians and everybody said, he's a healthy little dog. He 359 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: probably came from a puppy mill. Puppy mill sounds too nice. 360 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: Let's just call it factory farming of dogs, right, or 361 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: they're just exploited and abused and they're not cared for. 362 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: And he probably developed his temper which ultimately left him blind. 363 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: So I didn't I couldn't have a dog. I was single, 364 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: I was in veticool. I just I couldn't have the responsibility. 365 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: So I looked at him and said, look, I'll get 366 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: you everything you need. I'll take you home tonight for 367 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: a home cooked meal, and tomorrow i'll work on finding 368 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: you a home. So I took him home with me. 369 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: He kind of bumped around my entire apartment. He went 370 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: to the front door, he lifted his leg and did 371 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: his business, as if to say, this is my territory, 372 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm home. I'm staying here. At that point, I gave 373 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 1: him dinner and I locked him in the kitchen. I said, okay, 374 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, I'm finding you a new home. And I 375 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: woke up in the middle of the night and he 376 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: had gotten out of the kitchen. He came into the bedroom. 377 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: He had jumped on the bed and he was sleeping 378 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: on the pillow next to me, and he declared, this 379 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: is my home. And he and I were soulmates ever since. 380 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: But I learned a lot from Bumper. Sorry I named 381 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: him Bumper because yes, he bumped into everything. 382 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: I love that name. 383 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: But I realized like he was a little bit more 384 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: difficult than a regular dog. Like when we went out 385 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: on a leash, I was responsible for making sure that 386 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: he had a signal for where to go. 387 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 3: You were in seeing. 388 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: I was a seeing eye human. He knew up, down, left, 389 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: right over under. I mean we would go hiking together. 390 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: He came to work with me, and he knew when 391 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: we got to the curb to step down, and he 392 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: knew how many steps to go back up again. Maybe 393 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: I was giving him some cues, but I do believe 394 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: he memorized everything. And he was such an inspiration because, 395 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 1: like you said, if we went through something like this, 396 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: we would be like, oh, I feel so sorry for myself. 397 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: Bumper never felt sorry for himself a day in his life. 398 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: And I used him at work as a teaching tool 399 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: for people to see that you could have the most 400 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: wonderful dog. They're not perfect, but none of us are perfect, 401 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter if you can't see or you 402 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: can't hear, you can get along just fine on three legs. 403 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: There were all these things that would be considered disabilities, 404 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: and they deal with them fine. I learned so much 405 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: from Bumper. Years later, after he had passed, I got 406 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: a phone call from a pet store, and the manager 407 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: of the pet store knew that I loved pugs, and 408 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: he knew that I had had experience with a blind dogs. 409 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: And they had a blind pug puppy that the owner 410 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: of the store had ordered to be euthanized at the 411 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: end of the day. And he called me and said, Amy, 412 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: I knew you know what to do with this dog. 413 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: And of course I knew what to do with the dog. 414 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: I brought him home. I don't want people to think 415 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: there's an epidemic of blind pugs out there, but both 416 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: these dogs had the same problem. They were puppy mill dogs, 417 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: and they didn't get vaccinated and they developed a problem 418 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: that could have been prevented with just some vaccine. 419 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: Terrible. 420 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: We did a whole episode walking through vaccines with listeners, 421 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 2: just because listeners and owners come into vac clinics all 422 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: the time, and I don't think they understand the importance 423 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: or what exactly is distember what does that mean? And 424 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: so just like you said, it's a problem that could 425 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: be completely prevented with a vaccine, and unfortunately, puppy mills 426 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: or puppy factories like you called it are just they're 427 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: not doing their due diligence, and they're not taking the 428 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: appropriate care of these animals. 429 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because so many of the diseases that 430 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: we routinely vaccinate against, they're very diminished. Right now, we 431 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: don't see a lot of distemper but if people stop vaccinating, 432 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: we're going to see this devastating disease again. Same with parvo. 433 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: In New York City, we didn't have a problem with 434 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: leptosporosis for years, and now leptosprosis is a problem. It's 435 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: a disease that's transmitted through urine and often through the 436 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: urine of rats, and any big city that has a 437 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: rat population we're seeing more and more leftis bersis. Yeah. 438 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: We talked about that a lot in Season one as well, 439 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 2: and we have it here in Nashville, So I mean, 440 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: it's not just limited to cities. It is important and 441 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: can be, like you said, preventive with vaccines, so super important. 442 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 443 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 2: One of the I wrote down this quote from your 444 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: book because I loved it so much. I think it 445 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: might have made me cheer up, But I'm like, why 446 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: am I so hormonal right now? 447 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 3: But I just thought it was. 448 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: Really beautiful, and I think about the human animal bond 449 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: a lot. 450 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 3: And I think this like. 451 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: Really puts it, really articulates it beautifully. So you said, 452 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: our relationship with a pet is like no other. By 453 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 2: bringing animals into our homes and making them part of 454 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 2: our families, sharing our lives with them, and caring for them, 455 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: we are at our most compassionate, empathetic, and selfless. I 456 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: believe that our love for animals defines our humanity. Simply, 457 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: our animals make us better people. I believe that I 458 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: do too. I believe that fully. I think the hardest 459 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: of heart softens around animals. They're just simply the best. 460 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: So I lived on the corner of fifty seventh Street 461 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: for many years, and I would walk a bumper down 462 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: that street, and the doorman at the building next door 463 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: would come out every single day and he'd give me 464 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: a big smile and a creeting, and he'd bend down 465 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: and pet bumper. And this was our every day ritual. 466 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: Bumper passed away. I walk that street every day. He 467 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: never set foot out of the building. A few years later, 468 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: I got another dog, and I walked down the street 469 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: and he came running out and he said, where have 470 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: you been? I was invisible to him without my dog. 471 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: He like the whole connection to a human was through 472 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: a dog love. 473 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: That It's funny. I don't know if you feel the 474 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: same way. 475 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: But I'll see my patients out and about, and I 476 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: remember every patient. 477 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: I know their name. 478 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: I can place them if they have something wrong with them, 479 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 2: I know, And I can't ever remember the owner's name. 480 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: One hundred percent the same. 481 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 3: It's like you're Fluffy's mom. 482 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: I don't remember the owner sadly, but the dogs and 483 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: cats I don't forget. All right, you were dogless at 484 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: the end of the book. Are you still dogless? Just 485 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: waiting for the next one to come? 486 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: So I never wanted to be dogless. Like I went 487 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: to vet school. I know that there's a life cycle, 488 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: and I know that they're going to pass at a 489 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: certain age. And my Cleopatra was elderly, and when she 490 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: was about thirteen, I put the word out that I 491 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: wanted to rescue another dog. Every single pet I've ever 492 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: had has been a rescue, and I worked with the 493 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: local pug rescue group because I do have a thing 494 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: for pugs, and I love pugs. They're just ridiculous they are. 495 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: And I have when I was a little girl, so 496 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: in the best way, except if you were black, which 497 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: case you're just you have fur all over you. But 498 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: I'm willing to deal with that. And I rescued a dog. 499 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: She had been a dog on the show circuit at 500 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: one point. She had been abused. She had been returned 501 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: to the breeder, and the breeder heard that I needed 502 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: and she was willing to let the dog come to 503 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: my home. So she was much much younger. So I'm smart, 504 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: like eventually, when something happened to Cleo, then Meatball would 505 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: be she was a Meatball. She would be, you know, 506 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: still a dog in our home. And this is the 507 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: saddest thing because Cleo passed January one, and then three 508 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: months to the day, Meatball passed on April one. She 509 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: got a devastating disease. And I mean I was treating 510 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: her friends who were specialists, everybody had a hand in it, 511 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: and she just didn't respond. And we were and are devastated. 512 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: So you know, I know that I'm going to get 513 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: a phone call one day from a pug rescue group 514 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: and They're going to say, Amy, we have this dog. 515 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: It has such and such a problem. Can you fix it? 516 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: And I'll fix it and I'll keep it the way 517 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: that every one of them have come to me. But 518 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: we're just just really really sad right now, just going 519 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: through the healing process. 520 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 3: My heart breaks for you. 521 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: Thank you, and you know again wishing that we had 522 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: more of training in human psychology. For some people, that 523 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: healing process means the next day bringing another pet into 524 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: your life, right and for some people it really is 525 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: a very very long process, so. 526 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: Can take a lifetime. I feel like sometimes and we 527 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: all know. 528 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: That the only thing that makes you feel better is 529 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: another pet exactly. 530 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 2: Just got to do it, got to rip the band 531 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: aid off. But it's true, every pet I've ever had 532 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: that pass, I've said, I don't know if I can 533 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: do this again. 534 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 3: It's the worst heartbreak. 535 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: And then and then here we are, I know, and 536 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: they just reopen your heart and remind you of why 537 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: you did it in. 538 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: The first place. 539 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: So I hope your next rescue pug comes to you sooner, Appreciator, 540 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: I'll keep my eyes in ears. Peel send you a 541 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: picture please do. By the way, we had Doug the 542 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 2: pug on Oh my. 543 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: Goodness, he is pretty cute. 544 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: He is. 545 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: I would love to share with you the story of Squeaker. 546 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: Squeaker was an unusual patient because he didn't belong to 547 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: any family. He actually was a building cat. So I 548 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: would go to this apartment house for a number of 549 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: different clients, and one day the superintendent of the building 550 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: asked me to come down to the basement to meet 551 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: the building cat. 552 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 3: So this cat belongs to the whole. HOA. 553 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: He did the whole and he, you know, he had 554 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: a job to do. It was to make sure that 555 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: no mice came into the building, and he did a 556 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: fantastic job of that. And one day I did my 557 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: physical exam, I had a baseline on him, and probably 558 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: a year or two later, they asked me to come 559 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: down and see him again, and he had lost a 560 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of weight. And when I took his blood, 561 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: the results came back that the cat had something called hyperthyroidism, 562 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: too much thyroid hormone in the bloodstream, which beats up 563 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: your metabolic rate. So he was eating ravenously, but he 564 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: was burning the calories faster than he was eating them. 565 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: So he had to go on medication. 566 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: Which for all the listeners is a pretty common I 567 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: would say disease in our cats as they get a 568 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: little bit older. Exactly important to run routine blood work 569 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 2: because we can detect it and treat it and they 570 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: usually go on to lead nice, long, normal lives. 571 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: And I agree with everything that doctor jay Z said, 572 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: And that's the importance of the annual physical examination. People 573 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: think it's for vaccines. We really want to touch your pets. 574 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: We really want to take blood from them. So many 575 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: diseases and pets are silent, we can find them earlier 576 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: from blood tests. So a really important point. Squeaker's disease 577 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: was no longer silent. He was already having the symptoms 578 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: of hyperthyroidism and his blood work indicated that. So I 579 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: started him on medication. But it's a medication that has 580 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: to be given twice a day. And as I said, 581 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: he was nobody's actual cat. So the superintendent of the 582 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: building wasn't there at the right hours every single day, 583 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: wasn't there on the weekends. So the people who lived 584 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: in the building volunteered to give him his medication and 585 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: it just wasn't working. They would go downstairs. He would 586 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: not imagine it was beautiful. This is a lot of 587 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: cooks in the kitchen and it's like this is a park. 588 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: Avenue building. It was so heartwarming that everybody cared so much. 589 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: It just wasn't working medically. He wasn't getting his regular medicine. 590 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: So explained that the next way that we treat this 591 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: disease is the way they treated in humans with a 592 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: single injection of radioactive eye do on. The problem is, 593 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: you can't come home, you can't come out of the 594 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: facility until you're no longer radioactive. And it has a 595 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: multi thousand dollars price tag on it, and the super said, oh, 596 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. They're just never going to go for that. 597 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: It's so much money. And they had a board meeting 598 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: and they said, yes, we'll pay for it. So Squeaker 599 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: had his radioactive eye don He went on to do 600 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: great for years and years and years. And then I 601 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: went to examine Squeaker because he was limping and as 602 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: I was feeling his leg, I felt a very bad 603 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: bony lump and I was sure that Squeaker had bone cancer. 604 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: The X ray showed that he did have bone cancer. 605 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: There's nothing worse as a veterinarian doing your examine. You 606 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: know you feel that leave him or your life, and 607 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: you know the pit in your stomach and you know. 608 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: And you know, and I explained to him that what 609 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: we needed to do, and I know this sounds drastic, 610 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: but we needed to amputate the cat's leg because the 611 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: cat was in so much pain that immediately upon healing 612 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: from the amputation, the cat would have no more pain. Unfortunately, 613 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: cats have four legs and they do just fine on 614 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: three of them. And he just said, no, it's absolutely 615 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: not possible. They're never going to go for the surgery. 616 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: They won't want a three legged cat. He'll never be 617 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: a mouser for them. Again. They called another emergency board meeting. 618 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: The board came back and said, yes, do the amputation. 619 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: Squeaker did great after the amputation. And on the day 620 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: I went to the basement to remove the stitches from 621 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: his surgery, he was nowhere to be found, and he 622 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: came into the super's office while I was sitting there 623 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: with a mouse in his mouth. He was not slowed 624 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: down for a second. He had a job to do, 625 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: and he did it. He lived the rest of his 626 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: life as the building cat, and they took them up. 627 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: Wonderful care of him. 628 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 3: That really restores my faith in humanity. 629 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: Great. 630 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: I love that story. It is true, though I mean cats, 631 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: especially if there's many dogs. Most dogs do great on 632 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: three legs. But if I had to say cats versus dogs, 633 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: cats are do great on three legs. I mean they 634 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: get around beautifully. They're so nimble and agile. 635 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: And they and even with our dogs, they really learned 636 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: to do it. Even as a veterinarian, I'll be watching 637 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: a dog walk on the street and my brain will 638 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: register something's not right, and then when I look closely, 639 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's a three legged dog. They really 640 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: they hide their disability from us so amazingly. 641 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: They do. They really do. That is an amazing story. 642 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing. 643 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for making me think of that as one 644 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: of my favorite stories. 645 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: Well, I loved this book so much. 646 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: I and obviously I'm a veterinarian, so it really resonates 647 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: with me. But I think any animal lover out there, 648 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: and whether you're an owner or not, if you just 649 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: are interested in animals, will love this book. The storytelling 650 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: is amazing and it was a really nice little peak 651 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 2: to what goes on in your daily life being a 652 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: house called veterinarian. 653 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 3: So thank you for writing it. 654 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your comments. 655 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 3: We end our episodes with Paw and Order. 656 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: So for today's episode on Paw and Order, we are 657 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: going to take a few tips from doctor Amy's book 658 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: Pets in the City. Number one, I would not give 659 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 2: my pets any human foods or medications without checking with 660 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 2: my vets Doctor Amy, and I know I've talked about 661 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: this a lot on this podcast, but doctor Amy mentions 662 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: a couple instances where owners gave their pets tile and 663 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: all and grapes and all other sorts of things that 664 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: aren't good for animals that were humans, they're perfectly fine. 665 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: So I always tell people that are not people and 666 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: cats are not little dogs, So don't share your dog's 667 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: medicine with your cats. Don't share your medicine with your dog. 668 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: And you know, if you're not sure, pick up the phone. 669 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: You should be able to feel comfortable enough with your 670 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: veterinarian that you can call and ask a. 671 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: Question yes, anytime. And that brings up a good point too. 672 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: If you have multiple dogs. That doesn't mean giving one 673 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: dog's medication to another dog is always the right thing 674 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: to do either, because doses can be very different. 675 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: Of course, yes, I agree, And by the way, there 676 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: are certain breeds that can't take certain medications. So just 677 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: be educated, make sure you do no harm. 678 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: Yes, I agree with that, all right. 679 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: Number two, somewhat in the similar realm of advice is 680 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 2: we recommend not leaving out your prescription medications where your 681 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: pets can get a hold of them. There are dogs 682 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 2: out there that will counter surf and jump up and 683 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: grab anything that's on the counter, including your medication. Doctor 684 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: Amy had one instance in the book that I found 685 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: to be entertaining. I'm glad the dog's okay, though. 686 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: So in this instance, the dog jumped on his father's 687 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: night table. Dad was in his eighties, so he took 688 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: a lot of medication, and the dog chewed up all 689 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: of the vials and a lot of the medication, and 690 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: we had to figure out what each one contained. One 691 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: was his heart medicine, one was his blood pressure medicine, 692 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: one was his arthritis medicine. And then he was a 693 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: little hesitating before he said what the last one was 694 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: that special medicine that he uses at night. The dog 695 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: ate all of his father's viacra, and ironically, viacra has 696 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: uses in veterinary medicine. We use it for certain types 697 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: of heart disease, but not all the pills at once, 698 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: so that poor guy had to spend some time in 699 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: the hospital being monitored and watching his blood pressure. And 700 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: we all laughed because he had been newter two weeks before, 701 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: so like it didn't have any positive effects. 702 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 2: On as we say in Nashville, bless his heart exactly. 703 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: That did bring up a good point for me that 704 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 2: I don't think I've talked about on this podcast. Or 705 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 2: pet does eat something and you're not able to get 706 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: a hold of your veterinarian, and even if you are, 707 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 2: we recommend calling the Animal Poison Control phone number. 708 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: It's very easy. You just google Animal Poison Control. 709 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: The number pops right up, and if they have eaten 710 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 2: something like a medication or anything that may be toxic, 711 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 2: they are going to kind of walk you through exactly 712 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: what you need to do. And it's very helpful for 713 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 2: us as veterinarians too. We aren't always understanding the toxicology 714 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 2: behind every single ingredient. 715 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: Right and things you should know. You should know approximately 716 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: how much your dog weighs. When you call, like, they'll 717 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: ask you some questions about that. I always laugh when 718 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: animals eat medication. I think the number one thing that 719 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: people tell me is the hardest with their pets is 720 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: they can never get them to take a pill. And 721 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: how come, as soon as I drop one of my 722 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: pills on the floor, the dogs will like, oh, got it, 723 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: thank you. I think when we want to give them 724 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: a pillbish to throw it on the floor and see 725 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: if they'll go after exactly like. 726 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 3: Don't touch this, haha, They'll go right for it. 727 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: And by the way, not only don't leave your pills 728 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: out on the night table, but a lot of the 729 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: pills we give our pets are flavored to make it 730 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: easier to give them to them, and you don't want 731 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: to leave those on the counter where they'll go and 732 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: eat them all at one time. 733 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 2: Yes, I have had many a patient that love their 734 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: flavored remadill or their flavored heart guard, yeah, heart Guard, 735 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 2: and then they eat a whole pack of it, and 736 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: that is not great for them either. So that is 737 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: a great point. Our last and final point for and 738 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 2: order is I would not get a pet unless I 739 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 2: completely understood the level of commitment financially, time wise, all 740 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 2: the responsibility involved that it means to be a pet owner. 741 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Amy wrote in the book, if someone accumulates animals 742 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: to fill their home and heart. That person has a 743 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: moral obligation and unbreakable contract to care for those innocent 744 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: creatures for their entire lives. And I think that's so 745 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: well put. 746 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: They're for babies, you know, once you choose to open 747 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: up your home, that is your responsibility to care for 748 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: them forever. 749 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 750 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: I think people see like, oh, this dog's so cute, 751 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 2: or this puppy is so cute, and you don't realize 752 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 2: that puppy is going to grow into an adult, maybe 753 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 2: a very rambunctious one, maybe not, but they're going to 754 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: be around for ten, twelve, fourteen, hopefully fifteen sixteen years, 755 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: and your life is going to change and evolve, and 756 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 2: you just need to remember that. 757 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 3: It's a it's a big commitment. 758 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: So when I told you this story of Bumper, one 759 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: of the reasons I didn't say I'll take you immediately 760 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: was I was scared of that commitment. I remember, like 761 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, waking up a week later, we're thinking what 762 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: have I done right? And I decided I was willing 763 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: to put all the time and effort into having him 764 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: in my life, and it was so worth it. 765 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 2: It is the best commitment anyone can make. I agree, 766 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 2: well that concludes our paw and order for the week 767 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: and really our episode. Thank you so much for coming, 768 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: doctor Amy. I've loved chatting with you and if you 769 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: guys haven't read it yet, please get online. You can 770 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 2: get on Amazon. Pets in the City is out and 771 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 2: ready to be read. 772 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. 773 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 2: You are so welcome, and to all of our listeners. 774 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 2: As always, you can contact me on Instagram at doctor 775 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 2: jose Vetts. You can click the link in my bio 776 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 2: to record questions for the podcast, and as always, please rate, review, 777 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 2: and subscribe anywhere that you get your podcasts. 778 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 3: We'll see you next week.