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Speaker 1: Welcome in What'll Drive with the Great Episode four twenty six,

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Speaker 1: our Super Bowl sixty recap show. This episode of What's

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing very well. Excited to talk about the super Bowl? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: is good week.

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Speaker 1: Did you before we even really get into the game,

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Speaker 1: this is a bit of a litmus test, did you

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Speaker 1: enjoy watching that game? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, hey, you want to call me a casual,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. I like to see some plays on offense.

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Speaker 2: I was a little underwhelmed with the game. I was

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Speaker 1: No, I'm so, I'm not. I'm not calling you a

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Speaker 1: casual because I so. Here is what your mom got

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Speaker 1: mad at me yesterday. Because I didn't even realize it.

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Speaker 1: But evidently during the game, when your mom and sister

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Speaker 1: exciting game, evidently I kept saying, it's professional football, this

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Speaker 1: is great. I didn't even know I was saying that.

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Speaker 1: I just evidently I said it repeatedly, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: so here's the thing. I can appreciate a low scoring game.

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Speaker 2: Both the defenses were pretty solid, but yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: It was pretty bad, right, So we will get to

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Speaker 1: our hungover gladiators after the greatest day of their life

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're right, you're right. And then so my

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Speaker 1: And then I on social media and everyone's like, you living,

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Speaker 1: all right. I will at some point on today's show

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Speaker 1: discuss oh man, the hot almost too hot to touch

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Speaker 1: topic of the halftime show. Oh boy? Do people have takes?

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Speaker 1: And do people make fools of themselves with their takes

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Speaker 1: so consistently up to an including I think we've seen

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul, Jake Paul, Well Jake Paul, who lives in

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Speaker 1: but like it was like not believable at all. He

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Speaker 1: let's get to Super Bowl sixty champions.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, for the second time in franchise history, the

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Speaker 2: Seahawks are Super Bowl champions. That defense was prolific, Donald

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Speaker 1: Well, so obviously it has to be the defense, and

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Speaker 1: we will but I think Darnald does deserve credit, which

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl MVP piece of it, because that, to me,

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Speaker 1: is about the defense. I think the voters should have colluded,

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Speaker 1: and by that, I mean I think the voters should have,

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Speaker 1: you know, gotten on a group text or something and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: If so, let's all get together and pick a guy

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Speaker 1: I gotta think that Devin Witherspoon and Derek Hall and

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, who again he did have the most rushing

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Speaker 1: years ago. He had an awesome game and he would

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Speaker 1: have probably won MVP going away if there hadn't been

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Speaker 1: so my vote would have been for Devin Witherspoon because

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Speaker 1: So he was a guy who rushed the passer a

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Speaker 1: return for a touchdown. So Seattle's defense, which Mike and

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Speaker 1: up to it, quarterbacks get eaten up by Mike McDonald's defense.

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Speaker 1: They're now one in ten scoring less than sixteen points

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Speaker 1: And so the story was Seattle's defense making the Patriots

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Speaker 2: Can you not know you you usually give it to

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Speaker 2: one player? Can you just give the MVP to the

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Speaker 1: So I would have loved that, right you can't, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: defensive MVP. And so it's listen, I'm not gonna freak

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Speaker 1: out about Kenneth Walker winning it. He had a great game,

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Speaker 1: and it typically goes to an offensive player. But the

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Speaker 1: story was that Seahawks defense that if you're not named

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford or oddly Baker Mayfield, that Seahawks defense put

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Speaker 1: that is it. The other thing this Super Bowl was

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Speaker 1: a validation of was the MVP, even though it was

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Speaker 1: incredibly close. But so the Seahawks defense allowed thirty eight

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Speaker 1: in a loss to Baker in a game that I

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Speaker 1: think Daniel got me, made me some money by telling

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Speaker 1: me to do the Baker Mayfield Live comeback bet, and

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Speaker 1: they ended up winning the game. And they allowed thirty

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Speaker 1: seven to the Rams in the regular season and twenty

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Speaker 1: seven in the playoffs. But the other games Seattle played

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Speaker 1: this year, they allowed seventeen to Purty, seventeen to Rogers,

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Speaker 1: was the number one, oh, we're all pick in the

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00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: draft and then Demons was he was the number one

431
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: overall pick in the nineteen seventy one draft and busted

432
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Speaker 1: out with the Patriots. Then you know, busted out with

433
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: the Niners pre Montana, then went to the Raiders as

434
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: a backup and won two Super Bowls with the Raiders

435
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: and was right and was cool. Yeah, it's an all

436
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: time So that's the that is the gold standard of this.

437
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: But Donald is now the silver medalist. No, but he

438
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: was the third pick. I mean he was the third

439
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: pick of the draft. A little little known part of

440
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: first Thing's first lore, if you will. Donald was one

441
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: of our first in studio guests back when it was

442
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: me and Chris Carter. It was right before he was drafted,

443
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: or no, it would have been right after. No, I

444
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: think it was right before the draft, and Chris brought

445
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: with him his Hall of Fame tie and gave it

446
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: to Donald and along the lines of like where this

447
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: when you make it type of thing and Donald right.

448
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: And then seeing how it's kind of panned out the

449
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: first few years of his career.

450
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: It was a disaster. He was a punchline. He was

451
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: a punchline. And so I do think the fact that

452
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: and the Wilds talks about this a lot, and he's

453
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: not wrong. The Seeing Ghost thing was brutal. It was

454
00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: also borderline unfair. NFL films miked up never embarrasses guys,

455
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: like they get a lot of audio that they don't use.

456
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: It's not like it's a live stream. And that wasn't

457
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: like caught on a hot mic. He was miked up,

458
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: and then they played it on the broadcast, which was

459
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: kind of a violation.

460
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: Like obviously never knew that that came from like out

461
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: of his mouth. I thought that was something that somebody

462
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: like people always referred to he.

463
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: Was he actually he was playing a Monday night football

464
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: game against New England. I it might have been his

465
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: last start ever with the Jets.

466
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I like on the sideline, I'm seeing ghosts

467
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: out there, guys to learn to correct.

468
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. So I'm gonna look because his

469
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: last start ever with the Jets was January third, twenty

470
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: twenty one. Was that a Monday, is the question I'm

471
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: asking it. No, So maybe that wasn't the game the

472
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: that Oh no it was, so let me see the

473
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: October twenty first, twenty nineteen. That was the game. So

474
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: October twenty first, twenty nineteen was a Monday. The Jets

475
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: lost thirty three to nothing. He was eleven of thirty

476
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: two for eighty six yards. Four picks, no touchdowns. Bad

477
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: game to start year two in the league, and he said,

478
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm seeing ghosts out there. And even though by the

479
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: way that year the team went seven and six outside

480
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: of or when he played outside of that game, he

481
00:32:54,200 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: had nineteen touchdowns nine picks. That was the memorable thing.

482
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: And then the next year he was brutal and the

483
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: Jets were brutal. They move him on to Carolina. He

484
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: actually has like a decent stretch in Carolina, but it

485
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and he's goes and bees and he's the

486
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: backup in San Francisco and then has that remarkable year

487
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: with the Vikings. But we all give hand up all

488
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: the credit to Justin Jefferson and Kevin O'Connell and then

489
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: feel validated by his final two games of the year

490
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: and then goes Seattle. And this is what I want

491
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: to say about Darnold, because he wasn't great in the

492
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He was very good at avoiding the disaster

493
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: and he was playing with fire. Early first pass of

494
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: the game I thought could have been pick six, ended

495
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: up being a fourteen yard game. Patriots were like you.

496
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: The Patriots approach was you're gonna blow it. The Patriots

497
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: offensive approach early was don't make a mistake because Donald's

498
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: gonna blow it. And listen, he missed some throws, but

499
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: he didn't make the disaster mistake. And I thought three times.

500
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: Demonse, he was gonna get set.

501
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he looked dead to rights and got out

502
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: of it. And those were big plays. But here's the

503
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: other thing I'll say about Donald as far as how

504
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: heavy this Super Bowl Championship is for him in a

505
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: good way. If you agree with me that the real

506
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowl was the NFC Championship game, well then you

507
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge he was the MVP of that game.

508
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Guy threw for three point fifty three touchdowns a one

509
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: twenty eight rating, Like was awesome, going bar for bar

510
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: with Matthew Stafford. So if that was their toughest game

511
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: of the year, he delivered. He absolutely delivered. And so listen,

512
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: he's twenty eight years old, turns twenty nine. In the offseason,

513
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: he's got this will.

514
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 2: Be in his permanent home here there in Seattle.

515
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I would imagine he gets an extension

516
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: this summer. Yeah, and they can. So here's what they

517
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: could do. I would imagine. So because he's on a

518
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: three year, one hundred million dollar deal, right, so his

519
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: cap hit next year's thirty eight million, in the year

520
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: after's forty one. I would think they could give him

521
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: like another they could give him three years one fifty

522
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: fifty million a year thereabouts and make it so he's

523
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: always one of the lower paid quarterbacks because they can

524
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: put some of that on this year's cap, Like, they

525
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: can spread that out the eighty million cap dollars they

526
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: own over the next two three plus one point fifty,

527
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: so that would be two hundred and thirty million in

528
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: cap dollars over the next five years. So that's forty

529
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: six million a year average. That's still a bargain for

530
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback. So yeah, I mean, I think he's going

531
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: to be in a good spot and you gotta be

532
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: happy for him. And he was so good in the

533
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game, and so he has kind of taken

534
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: Baker's corner as the gold standard of the contemporary redemption

535
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: story arc Like Baker's had a really good one, but

536
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: Darnold's now damn super Bowl champion. Yeah, all right, let's

537
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: let's talk about the other side of the ball.

538
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: All right. Everything was vindicated that the folks were saying

539
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: about the Patriots and Drake May. In this game, New

540
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: England's offense was shaky. They could not do anything. But

541
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: obviously this is Drake May's second year in the NFL.

542
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: How are we feeling about New England side of things?

543
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I wanted to start with Drake May. He

544
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: was awesome this year. Schedule or not, he was awesome

545
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: week to week in the regular season. I didn't think

546
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: he was the best quarterback in the league this year.

547
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I thought that was Matt Stafford. But he was the

548
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: most consistent. He almost never had a bad game. I

549
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: didn't think he had the greatest supporting cast, and he

550
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: was excellent. That is an objective truth. Another objective truth

551
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: is he was somewhere between pretty bad to downright offal

552
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: in all four playoff games. There's not one playoff game

553
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: you can point to and be like, no, that's the game.

554
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: He was excellent. The first game of the playoffs, they

555
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: scored sixteen points, he threw a pick and had two fumbles.

556
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: The second game of the playoffs, he threw a pick,

557
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: had four fumbles, including a couple when it was so

558
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: clear the only way they could lose was him turning

559
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: the ball over because CJ. Drowd was self immolating on

560
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: the other side of the field. Third game of the playoffs,

561
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: he had forty yards before there was a drop of

562
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: snow falling from the sky and they scored seven points.

563
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: And in this game he did absolutely nothing through three quarters.

564
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: And then the moment is very interesting demonse. First nine

565
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: drives all punts. Then final five drives when it was like, Okay,

566
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: gotta go for stuff. Did score two touchdowns and had

567
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: three turnovers. The moment it was all right, we gotta

568
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: start trying to play for big plays, he turned back

569
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: into a turnover machine. He was sacked twenty one times

570
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: this postseason, the most by any quarterback in the playoffs. Ever,

571
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: not all of that is on him, but some of

572
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: that is on him. These were not all instant sacks,

573
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: and he fumbled seven times in four playoff games, the

574
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Speaker 1: most of all time. So I I think he's really good.

575
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: But you give him a big break for it being

576
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: a second year, right or no, Like.

577
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Speaker 1: It's no, no, I give him a big break for

578
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: it being his second year. I don't immediately say though, Oh,

579
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: but and he'll he'll have a ton of chances to

580
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: make up for this. No that he's I like right now.

581
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: I would say, I don't think the Patriots like right now.

582
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: If I were to do way too early playoff picks

583
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: for next year, I wouldn't have the Patriots in it.

584
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: Oh okay, like so that, So I just think so

585
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: he is the thing.

586
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: Also with the schedule changing up and stuff.

587
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: Well, when I tell you how the schedule is changed up,

588
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna believe it, because it's not

589
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: just that they have a first place schedule, demanse, it's

590
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: that they draw as far as the way the NFL

591
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: schedule works is you play everyone in your division twice.

592
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: That's six of your games. Then you play one other

593
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: division in your conference that rotates every year, one other

594
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: division in the other conference that rotates every year, and

595
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: then you have three strength of schedule games, the meaning,

596
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: if you were the division winner, you play the two

597
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: division winners in your conference that aren't on your schedule,

598
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: plus one from the other conference. So the Patriots go

599
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: from and this is the important part about the schedule.

600
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: Every year someone has the easiest schedule by definition. That

601
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: wasn't why the pay schedule is noteworthy. Patriot schedule is

602
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: noteworthy because it was the easiest schedule anyone has played

603
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: this century, and the second easiest schedule anyone has played

604
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: in fifty years. So it wasn't just the easiest this season.

605
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: It was by opponent winning percentage, the easiest in twenty

606
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: five years and the second easiest in fifty years. So

607
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: that wasn't just because they were playing, you know, a

608
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: last play schedule. It was also because they drew the

609
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: NFC South, which wasn't good, and the AFC North, which

610
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: turned out not to be good. Next year they draw

611
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: the NFC North and the AFC West, and their home

612
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: road splits are tough. So here demands are and they

613
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: get a little unlucky nine road game instead of eight

614
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: because that alternates every year. They have nine road games DEMONSA.

615
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: These are the Is, the Patriots road games next year, Jets,

616
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: Dolphins divisional games. Fine, the Bills a divisional game. Here

617
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: are there other six road games? The Bears, the Lions,

618
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Chargers, the Jags, the Seahawks. Yeah that's

619
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 1: the list. Well, it's all of your non divisional road

620
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: games are playoff teams except for the Chiefs and the Lions.

621
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: And now at home you get your again your divisional

622
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: opponents Jets, Dolphins, Bills, and then at home you also

623
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: get the Raiders, so that's nice. And your other home

624
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: games are Vikings. Okay, Steelers, fine, Packers, Raiders. I'm sorry Packers,

625
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: I already said Raiders, Packers, Broncos, pardon me. So it

626
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: is you have the history of in the last thirty years,

627
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: one team that lost the Super Bowl got back to

628
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: it the following year. The twenty seventeen Patriots did, but

629
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 1: they were maybe a little immunized from the Super Bowl

630
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: hangover because they had won the Super Bowl in twenty sixteen,

631
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: so it wasn't quite as emotionally devastating. And eleven teams

632
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs outright, or thirteen teams and I think

633
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: it's eleven. Let me make sure I have this right. Seven. No,

634
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: this is what it is. Seventeen teams after losing the

635
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl made the playoffs, thirteen one a single playoff

636
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: game or won at least one playoff game, and only

637
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: or I have that wrong. Ignore me on this, because

638
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: I Josh sent this to me yesterday. I don't have

639
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: to be committed to memory. Only one teams made it

640
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: back to the Super Bowl, and the majority of teams

641
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: in the last thirty years have either missed the playoffs

642
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: or been one and done in the playoffs. That I know,

643
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: the other numbers I don't have committed to memory. So

644
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Speaker 1: it's tough. And I know people are gonna talk about

645
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Speaker 1: Drake May's shoulder. I I do not attribute that performance

646
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: to his shoulder, in part because his best passes of

647
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: the game were late, like after he'd been hit. Even more,

648
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: I also.

649
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: See what he did. I feel like his receivers kind

650
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: of drop some stuff too, Like it was on I

651
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: feel like some of the players, Yeah, he was not

652
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: there and they just were.

653
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

654
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't get it.

655
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: But it was a bad game by everyone on the

656
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: Pats offense. A worst game by left tackle Will Campbell. Yeah. Who.

657
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: Now that's another thing we're talking about, like the Pat's future.

658
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: They spend the number four overall pick on a guy

659
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: who might just be a decent left guard. That would

660
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: be a problem. You drafted me a franchise left tackle. Now,

661
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: maybe he'll get better. But that was Yeah, that was

662
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: a rough one. And I you just don't know. And

663
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna give you another fact and I'm not

664
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: trying to listen. I've been very pro Drake May all year.

665
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: But I also thought the revisionist history on why he

666
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: was struggling in the playoffs, as if every game was

667
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: played in the weather of the final quarter and a

668
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: half in Denver, was nonsense. I also thought that people

669
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: Pats fans kept saying, well, look at the great defenses

670
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: they've played, and they were great defenses. But I don't

671
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: I personally, while I might not just kill you if

672
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: you play poorly against a great defense, you don't get

673
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: ata boys for playing a great defense and playing awful,

674
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: like there's no credit to be gained from playing really

675
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: bad escaped right, and so I things fell very nicely

676
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: for New England along this playoff route. They earned that.

677
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: Good for them. The team that's got to be absolutely

678
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: sick to their stomach is the Broncos. Like man if

679
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: bo Nicks doesn't now, maybe the Broncos get beat up

680
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: by Seattle, but they feel like we were better than

681
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: New England and our quarterback got hurt. Here's another one demonse.

682
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: In the last fifty years, there have only been two

683
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to lose the first Super Bowl they play in

684
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: and ever win one, just two, and that is Jalen

685
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: Hurts and John Elway. John Elway lost his first three

686
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: in the eighties and then got to back to back

687
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: in the nineties. And there's not many quarterbacks. There's not

688
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: many others. I'm trying to think who it would be.

689
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: Who are even the quarterbacks other than those guys to

690
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: lose their first Super Bowl and even get back to

691
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Well, Jim Kelly, obviously he went to

692
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: four in a row, Ken Anderson, maybe I don't. The regardless, well,

693
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow made burrows, but so no, but the the

694
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow things instructive Bengals fans after year two as sucks.

695
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: We didn't win. We'll be right back. And the next

696
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: year they were close, they were in the AFC Title Game,

697
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: and then never there again. The one everyone always will

698
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: bring up, so I'm not breaking news here is the

699
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. Year two, Dan Marine. They're fourteen and two.

700
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: Dan Marino wins League MVP, They go to the Super Bowl,

701
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: they get beat up by the Niners. The next year

702
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: they're in the AFC Championship Game. We're right there. We're

703
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: gonna be there every year with Marino. The rest of

704
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: Dan Marino's career, they made the conference championship game once

705
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:05,479
Speaker 1: and made zero more Super Bowls. It's hard, and it's

706
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: just particularly hard in the AFC. When I would imagine

707
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Speaker 1: Demons next year, Chiefs Ravens bounced back a bit. Are

708
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Speaker 1: the Bengals gonna be just an embarrassment forever? Are they

709
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna finally get their act together? There's there's just a

710
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: lot of mm So this was a great year for

711
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: New England. But there the reason they were fourteen and

712
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: three was an MVP candidate quarterback and they didn't get

713
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: that in the playoffs. And there's a combination of factors.

714
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: It's defenses, he's banged up, it's competition, it's whether it's

715
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: that you know, he got a little tight in my opinion,

716
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: it's all of it. But you're not guaranteed to be

717
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: back there. And I would say one other thing, sacks

718
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: are not exclusively a quarterback stat, but they are They

719
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: also aren't, you know, totally removed from quarterback play. And

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Speaker 1: Drake may now, in how many games has the kid played,

721
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: He's played thirty games, okay, twenty nine starts, so twenty

722
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: nine games in the regular season, four in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So he's had thirty three starts in his career. In

724
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: those thirty three starts, he has been sacked one one

725
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: hundred and two times. That that feels like too big

726
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: of a number and is something that I would be

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00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,040
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Speaker 1: Real quick, before we get to the MVP voting which

741
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: happened after our last show, reminder, please send in any

742
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: questions because we're gonna do a mailbag style podcast next week.

743
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: All right, Demands let's go to the Stafford stuff.

744
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So, as we know, Drake or Stafford beat

745
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: Drake made by about a vote in the MVP grace

746
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: after seeing this game, he also announced that he's returning

747
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: next year. But after seeing this game, do you think

748
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: that the voters are correct?

749
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I think, Yes, definitely. I also

750
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: think that it was flawed logic to do what some

751
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: folks were doing, which is Stafford carved up the Seahawks defense.

752
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: Stafford's you know, and Drake May were one A, one

753
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: B and MVP voting. So why can't Drake May carve

754
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: up the Seahawks defense when Stafford carved up the Seahawks

755
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: defense with the help of Sean McVay, with Pukainakua, with

756
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams, and with the benefit of having played them

757
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: by the time they got to the NFC Championship game

758
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: five times in the previous fourteen months. Because divisional opponent

759
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: and all of that, Like, that's just that's not what

760
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: it was. Matt Stafford deserved the league MVP this year.

761
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: He was the best player in the league this season.

762
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it is all that close. It was

763
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: closer than it should have been. And I think the

764
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: Super Bowl put a spotlight on it as mad as

765
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: people were at my buddy Sam Monson for the Justin

766
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: Herbert MVP vote. I do want to spend a second

767
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: about the you know, my my pal friend of the

768
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: show and voters obsession with him, Josh allen In getting

769
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: two first place votes, so this is now so again

770
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: he should be on the ballot, no question about it.

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00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: But first place means you think they should win it.

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00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: I also so have a theory that I stumbled upon

773
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: when we were talking about Hall of Fame stuff that

774
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: I wonder if people would vote more honestly for Hall

775
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: of Fames and awards if this is how they did it,

776
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna have fifty voters. Everyone's gonna fill out their ballot,

777
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: and we are not counting the votes. We are putting

778
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: all of the vote votes in a big ben stirring

779
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: them up and picking one ballot at random, and that's

780
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: the award. Because I know, so just hear me out

781
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: on this. Let's think about the Hall of Fame thing

782
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: with Belichick. Yeah, if people, if that's what, because I

783
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: do feel like some people, like with the Hall of Fame,

784
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: they're like, well this guy's gonna get in. I'd rather

785
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: my vote go for this person, try to try to

786
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: game the system. I mean Sam Monson when he voted

787
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: for Justin Herbert, or even the people who voted for

788
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, they did not think this guy's going to win.

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00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: What they thought was I wanted you know, she used

790
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: to be how much value? Right? Yeah, but if people knew, no,

791
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: there's not going to be other people to fix your mistakes.

792
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: So to speak. We are we trust you fifty voters,

793
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: and one of your ballots is just gonna be the ballot,

794
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: and there's no way of telling who's I do wonder

795
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: if people would be like, Okay, I need to fine

796
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: with right. I can't so and I feel the same way.

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00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: It's very, very difficult to make the case Josh Allen

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00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: had a better year than Stafford or Drake. Yeah, and

799
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: this is now, and I only care about the first

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00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: place votes piece of it. So I we now have

801
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: had the following instances, and I'm not picking. This is

802
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: not Josh's fault. And in fact, a lot of the blowback,

803
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: if there is any or backlash Josh Allen gets, is

804
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: because of some of the media treatment that is indicative

805
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: of these votes, because I don't think Josh Allen thought

806
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: he deserved League MVP this year, but two of the

807
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: fifty voters did. And here is the trend that I'm

808
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: talking about. And I'm gonna use very simple numbers here. Okay,

809
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: I understand it's more than that, and I get it,

810
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna it's a podcast, and so I can't

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00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: show it to you graphically. This year, Matthew Stafford had

812
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: forty seven one hundred yards. His passing numbers forty seven

813
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: hundred yards, forty six touchdowns, eight picks. Josh Allen had

814
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: thirty six hundred yards, twenty five touchdowns, ten picks, and

815
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: two people voted for him for MVP. Last year he

816
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: won it. I thought he should have won it. But again,

817
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: if we're just doing the passing numbers, he had thirty

818
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards, twenty eight touchdowns, six picks. Lamar had

819
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: forty one hundred yards forty one touchdowns, four picks. Fine dog.

820
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: Josh Allen got a first place vote the year before,

821
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: when he had twenty nine touchdowns and led the league

822
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: in interceptions with eighteen. Dak Prescott did not get a

823
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: first place vote that year when he had thirty six

824
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: touchdowns and half the interceptions. Twenty twenty two, when Patrick

825
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: Mahomes had forty one touchdowns, twelve picks, and fifty two

826
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: hundred yards, Josh Allen got one first place vote when

827
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: he had forty two hundred yards, thirty five touchdowns and

828
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: fourteen picks. And the maybe the best one in twenty

829
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Speaker 1: twenty when Aaron Rodgers had forty eight touchdowns and five

830
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: picks and Mahomes had thirty eight touchdowns and six picks

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Speaker 1: and both teams had better records than the Bills, Josh

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00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: Allen got four first place votes when he had thirty

833
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: seven touchdowns and ten picks. It is there is a

834
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: couple in VP voters that are just Josh Allen no

835
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: matter what voters, and it's baffling to me. And so I,

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01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, I but the voters did get it right,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's good for everyone involved, including Drake

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01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: May that he didn't win MVP. Yeah, I Stafford deserved it,

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01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: and it does cement Stafford as a Hall of Famer

840
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: in my opinion. And I'm glad now these again, these

841
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: folks doing the top ten quarterback stuff like we gotta

842
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: the let me see if I can find my all

843
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: time quarterback see if I can find my all time

844
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: quarterback pyramid, because I didn't want to do it off

845
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: the top of my head. But give me one second

846
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: and then we'll get out here. All time quarterback pyramid.

847
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: I should have had this before. No, that's the all

848
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: time No, I don't, gosh darn it.

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01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: You think the Rams. There are any other teams in

850
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: can kuon turning their TV off? Piss because they should

851
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: have been there and they could have won that game.

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01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, just the Broncos. Yeah, you know what I mean,

853
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: just the Broncos. Let me try. I'm gonna try one

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: other thing on this, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, no, no, no, I was gonna say the Texans. But

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Speaker 2: the Texans have no way of uh getting there with

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Speaker 2: their quarterback play, so.

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Speaker 1: So the Yeah. But okay, I found I found one

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Speaker 1: of my older all time quarterback mountains, just real quick.

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Speaker 1: If we are for people that are wanting to do

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Speaker 1: Stafford wary ranks and again is a Hall of Famer

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Speaker 1: now in my opinion, but quarterbacks who, without a shadow

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Speaker 1: of a doubt how have to be ahead of him

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Speaker 1: in the all time quarterback rankings. Tom Brady Patrick Mahomes, Peyton, Manning,

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Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Dan Marino, John Elway, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Rogers, Stallbach,

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Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Johnny Uniteds, Bart, Star, Auto Graham,

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Speaker 1: Sammy bab because people tell me I'll trust him on it,

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and then we can start discussing him versus

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Speaker 1: big Ben, Lamar, Big Ben and Lamar like that, and

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen to round out your top twenty What did

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Speaker 1: you think I was?

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Speaker 2: Where Stafford at?

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Speaker 1: There? That right? So that's those were all the guys

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Speaker 1: that I just said ahead of him. So of all

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Speaker 1: time quarterbacks, I'll do it again. Brady Mahomes, Peyton, Montana, Marino, Elway, Rogers,

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Speaker 1: Farv Staubach, Bradshaw. Those are the ten kind of modern

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Speaker 1: era guys. And then I will add the old timers,

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Speaker 1: which are Unitis, Star, Graham, Sammy Baugh. Now we're at fourteen,

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Speaker 1: then I would get to Steve Young, Drew Brees, and

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Speaker 1: then after that we can have the discussion of after

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Speaker 1: those sixteen guys, Stafford alongside Lamar, Kurt Warner, Troy Aikman,

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Speaker 1: big Ben, Josh Allen. Like to round out your top

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Speaker 1: twenty Top twenty five, that's the neighborhood he's in. But

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Speaker 1: this top ten all time, it's just not It's much

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Speaker 1: like a lot of people's top tens. The people saying

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Speaker 1: it would not actually say it if they put pen

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Speaker 1: to paper. So that's you know, that's did you did

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Speaker 1: you think I had him too high? Too low? I

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Speaker 1: know you don't have this, no, I understand.

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Speaker 2: I mean there, yeah, there was just a bunch of

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Speaker 2: a bunch of those guys. You know. I obviously did

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Speaker 2: not watch, but I thought Matthew Stafford was a I

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Speaker 2: thought he'd be a little bit higher up in your list.

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Speaker 1: But the problem for Stafford is the the decade plus

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Speaker 1: in Detroit when he was a good player but not

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Speaker 1: great and like zero and three in the playoffs, made

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Speaker 1: one Pro Bowl, like just you know, and so again

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Speaker 1: is all of famer now?

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Speaker 2: To me?

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Speaker 1: I I'm ahead of Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Russell Wilson, those guys.

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Speaker 1: But top ten all time is just a a bananas opinion.

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Speaker 1: Bananas all right? Maybe audio only podcast on Thursday. Keep

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Speaker 1: the questions coming because we will do a kind of

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Speaker 1: a mailbag style pod next week. But yeah, subscribe wherever

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Speaker 1: sure you guys get to see whenever the podcast does

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Speaker 1: mailbag questions in the comments on YouTube and we can

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