WEBVTT - John Paycheck on Legacy, Lyrics and Life 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:01.240 Taking a Walk. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.400 Yeah, I could go out and new solo acs and 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.960 just play acoustic guitar, but there's so much more energy. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.880 It's so much more fun and for me and for 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.960 the listener to have that big band there is right. 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.279 It's the same reason why I won't compromise, and I 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.599 don't like not having a steel guitar and not having 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:22.079 a fiddle. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.040 I want both of those in my music. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.960 Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, where we stroll 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.840 through the stories, the sounds, and the soul of music 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.000 with the people who make it matter. Buzznight is your host, 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.479 and today he's got a very special guest joining us, 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.480 someone who carries both the weight of a legendary name 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.280 and the drive to carve out his own place in 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.600 country music. John Paycheck grew up backstage and on the road, 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.480 soaking up the sights and the sounds of country music 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:53.000 alongside his father, the iconic Johnny Paycheck. But John isn't 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.400 just walking in his father's footsteps. He's blazing his own trail, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:01.160 blending tradition with a fresh perspective and a powerful On 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.720 this episode, we'll talk about what it was like growing 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.000 up in a musical family. The lessons learned from life 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.399 on tour and the challenges and triumphs of building a 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.160 career in today's music industry. Will dive into his songwriting 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.520 and the process, and his new album More Days Behind, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.959 and the stories that have shaped his journey. So lace 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.480 up your boots and join us for a walk with 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.280 John Paycheck on the Taking a Walk Podcast with Buzz Night. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.160 Well, John Paycheck, Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:33.880 Thank you for having me. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.080 So, since we do call this podcast taking a Walk, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.440 I wanted to ask you if you could take a 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:47.200 walk with somebody living or dead, somebody involved with music 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.800 but doesn't have to be up to you. Who would 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.360 it be and where would you take a walk with him? 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:58.840 John Boy, I'll tell you that's an interesting one because 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:03.120 I've got so many assets to my life. There'd be 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.840 people in the military, like people from history that would 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:11.200 be interesting. But since we're talking about music, I gotta 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.600 say this is going to be probably a ridiculous well 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.919 not a ridiculous answer, but a lame answer, I guess. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.640 But it probably would be my dad again. And the 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:24.880 reason being is I wasn't in music when he was alive, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.120 and I learned a lot from him. But there are 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.840 so many questions I have now and things that I 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.960 would like to talk to him about now. That that 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.120 would be. That would be really cool, is to be 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.120 able to just walk with him one more time and 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.760 talk with him, ask him all these questions and things 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.520 that I have now you know again, And that's also 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.880 kind of a I guess that's kind of a rite 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.480 of passage to as an adult. 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.240 You know, you lose your parents eventually, and you. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.560 Have a lot of things you wish you would have 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.480 asked and said and done, but you know, now we're 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.160 here and you're you're an orphan once again. But yeah, no, 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.800 it's uh that that I think that would probably be. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:06.440 That's the first person that came to mind. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:12.200 John. There's nothing lame about it, and I sometimes try 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:17.840 to guess in my own head what the individual might answer. Yeah, 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.399 so it's your answer. It's your life and it's your 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.799 pop So nothing lame about it, sir. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.280 It'd be interesting if some of somebody living, that would 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.000 be interesting. It would probably I'd love to talk because 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.720 I admire how he does business and how he has 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.640 managed his life. Is George Strait that would be somebody 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.320 I would like to talk to about just how they've 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.119 done things and why they've done things a certain way 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:52.040 as far as just uh managing well, heck, managing their 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.120 life and everything too, because uh, yeah, I admire the 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.720 way he's kept on the good side of things as 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.240 far as I can see, you know what I mean. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.280 And he's been very very responsible. Just seems like a 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.640 down to earth, really really good person. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.880 So yeah, and has figured out too, in an ever 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:15.960 changing ecosystem, how to you know, stay true to his core, 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.640 but also how to you know, evolve as well. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.800 Yeah, hundred percent, Yeah, he really has. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:29.400 So talk about your military history and and then maybe 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:34.640 bring it full circle into some of what that has 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.400 taught you to this day around being you know an artist. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.440 Yeah, well, I started out really in the fire service 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.000 as a firefighter, and that was my first experience with 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:52.240 an organization with that military feel. Right when in after 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.840 a while I got that calling to go serve and 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.920 kind of stemmed from my grandfather really but greatest generation 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.159 it was nine to eleven kind of tipped it off 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.599 for me to finally just push the button and go. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:11.600 And yeah, served started out with a heavy armor unit 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.120 with Abrams tanks. Was there for a short while and 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:20.479 then commissioned, became commissioned officer and went into aviation, well 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:27.159 intelligence first, then in aviation, then intelligence aviation, and then 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.800 finally ended up with where I'm at now, which is 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:34.320 back in intelligence. But flew Blackhawks, was with an assault unit, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:39.039 flew Kiawa Warrior, flew the C twelve, which is a 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:43.400 fixed wing aircraft King Air. It's a King Air, two 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.200 props and everything going out, looking at doing circles and 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.240 looking at bad guys and tell them where the tell 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:50.760 them the good guys where the bad guys are. All 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.280 that kind of stuff, collecting information at all. How did 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.440 you get back to music? Well, I had gotten to 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:03.440 a point where the it's it's a regimented life to 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:08.719 a degree within the army, and it's it's, uh, you're 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.400 you're told what to do, but you're also doing things 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.599 on your own as well, and there's some creativity there, 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.440 but it's not the same type of creativity. 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.160 It's not the artistic creativity. And I missed that. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:24.760 I had gone to an opening at the Country Music 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.600 Hall of Fame and it was an outlaw exhibit they 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.360 were doing, and had met up with a bunch of 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.159 people that I hadn't seen in a long time. 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:33.080 Shooter. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.760 Shooter Jennings was one of them, Tyler Coe and met 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.240 up with them afterwards, was talking with them, and I 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:44.279 missed that camaraderie, that type of camaraderie. I missed the 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.760 music business a little, not the business, but more of 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:51.560 the art. And uh, yeah, it kind of steered me 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.880 back to doing this and here I am back to 0:06:55.920 --> 0:07:02.120 doing music and back to touring and creating, creating albums 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.760 and everything else. Which, yeah, it's been fun, it's been interesting, 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.039 and uh, we're trying to make a run of it 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:08.680 as far as as far as we can. 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.880 I guess when you talk to somebody like a Shooter Jennings, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:18.280 who obviously, like you, comes from a household that was 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:24.160 a music household, any similarities to his journey to yours 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.240 as you have gotten to know him. 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:31.440 Yeah, Yeah, me and Shooter we have there's a lot 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:32.679 of similarities. Honestly. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:37.160 I mean I remember being around him when I was 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:38.120 much much younger. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:38.760 We were both young. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.560 But yeah, I mean, your parents are gone all the time, 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.880 you kind of learned to grow up a little, a 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.560 little earlier than than most. I'm from that generation too, 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.440 where we were you know, latchkey kids. So a lot 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.480 of us grew up a little quicker than most. So 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.760 there's there's that, but uh yeah, no, we uh there's 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.880 some chaos in the household too that we all have. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:04.560 That's similar. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.880 Me and Tyler have a lot of similarities as well, 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.840 growing up, just with some of the craziness. Uh Waylan 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:17.280 didn't didn't stray too far from from acting like a 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:18.200 country singer. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:20.200 And Dad did. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.160 Dad kind of went off, kind of thought he was 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.040 a pirate there for a little while, you know, doing 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.800 just ridiculous things. But it was just part of that 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.720 time and who they were in the business and everything else. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:35.360 But uh yeah, I mean there were times when bills 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.840 didn't get paid, a home and you didn't have electricity, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:42.880 or you didn't you know, or you know, dad didn't 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.600 come home because he was you know, outroaring. But things 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.320 things happened. It just is what it is. And yeah, yeah, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.920 you grow up with it, and yeah I learned to 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.600 accept it. But uh, me and me and Tyler probably 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.280 a little more similar, Me and Shooter as far as 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:03.000 the music stuff and being around you know, famous people 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.720 and all that. Yeah, we got that in common. Yeah, 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.800 and it's comforting too to be around somebody who gets it. 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:14.560 You know, there's a there's a club I guess you 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.520 could call it of us that that's just we all 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.800 identify really well and understand how how each other. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:21.520 I will say this, there is a little bit. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.240 There are some there's there's there's that culture, and then 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.520 there's two other types of cultures within this within the 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.920 music business. And then when you have the ultra ultra 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.960 ultra famous types and they were making millions of dollars, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:34.640 that family is going to be a little bit different 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.720 than the ones that were going through hard times and 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.440 lost everything, and you know, so there's there's a little 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:45.280 bit of difference there, but not much, not much. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.920 So growing up as the son of Johnny Paycheck that 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:54.440 can you describe the earliest memories of music in your 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:56.479 in your household? 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:01.840 With the earliest one I remembers, I was the heck, 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.199 I wasn't like, I wasn't even in kindergarten yet. Actually 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.280 even before that though, I actually thought about this for that, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.640 I remember when I was just a little one, being 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.520 on the road and being on a tour bus and 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.920 things like that. I am that that definitely kind of 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:19.760 started shaping my. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.280 View of the world a little bit. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:27.160 But as far as music, it's it's funny because you 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:32.440 don't realize that your parents are famous until way later 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.760 in life. And uh, you don't realize just how influential 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.960 or how creative they were because they were just dad. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.600 You know. It was that was dad. That was Dad's job. 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:44.280 That's what he did. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.840 It was you know, he kind of thought at one point, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.480 you think everybody does this, but it's yeah, it becomes 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.160 very evident later that that's that's. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.640 Oh, no, he was. He was actually unique, you know. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.560 But I remember when I was a little one, just 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:05.319 going and playing his guitar and playing with it and 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.360 you know, learning about it and things like that from 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.400 very very young age, even before I wasn't even in 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.600 like kindergarten. So but yeah, music was always always around 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:20.560 the house and Dad was always either writing or you know, resting. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.600 So it was pretty much the way it was. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.320 Because your dad was on the road, it's hunt, wasn't he. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.200 Oh yeah, that was uh, that was pretty much what 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.800 he lived. He lived for touring and being out in 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:36.000 front of a crowd and entertaining. So and that was 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.800 also how he made an income, right, Mom didn't work. 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.760 She was a stay at home mom so or an 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.200 entertainer's wife. But uh yeah he was. He was always 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:46.400 on the road, always touring. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:51.600 So yeah, so the pressure of living up to being 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.920 the might as well just get with it, right, being 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:02.000 the the the son of a thing and misperformer. How 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.320 have you dealt with that through your life? 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:05.960 Well? 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:12.160 It it didn't affect really much in the fire service 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.240 or in the in the military, besides some ribbing and 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.680 you know, just people being you know kind of like. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.120 Whoa, really, that's that's who your dad is. Like, yeah, yeah, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.320 that's that's it. And off we go, you know, just 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:24.800 doing whatever we do. 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.120 Now, coming back to music, I've had some critics that 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.040 have been a little harsh, Oh he's not like his father, 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.679 and it's like, well, no, no kidding, I'm not my father. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.240 I was like, And for that critic who was writing 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.080 those comments, by the way, you're not Shakespeare either, so 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:41.200 I mean, what are you going to do? 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:47.760 You know, so, you know, comparing me to someone that. 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.240 Is was so so influential and such a great writer 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.200 and everything else, it's kind of it's a fool's errand 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.880 it doesn't make sense. It's you know, I stand on 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.480 my own merits and what I do, so judge me 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:04.079 for you know, the people that I am my peers now, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:08.560 which would make sense because you know, who's judging anybody 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.400 against like George Jones or or you know, Johnny Paycheck 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.760 or Whalen or anybody that's kind of foolish and and 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.959 and for as great as they were, they were also 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.839 just human as well, and they were just doing what 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.920 they could, you know. So there's plenty of great singers 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:31.560 and entertainers out there as far as me, I don't. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.440 It got to me a little bit in the beginning, 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:40.040 and the main concern I had was not wanting to 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.160 let my family down. My family just named my legacy 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.760 and all that stuff. I didn't want to disappoint you, buddy, 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.960 especially my mom, who was around when I started out. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.880 But you know, as I got more into it, you know, 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.920 and she, my mom, was very critical. So yeah, she 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.640 would have let me known right away. Is like, oh 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.040 the same for you if if it was you know, 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.079 if that was the case. She never never buy any chance, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.280 would would lie to me about anything like that. And 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.520 she was she was pleasantly surprised and said no, you know, 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:16.280 because I didn't sing around them. I didn't, you know, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.720 I played instruments and things like that, and they all 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.800 thought I was My mom and dad thought I was 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.520 a good musician, but you know, I never I just 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.040 never sang around them, singing some choirs and things like that, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:30.360 but never like anything a solo. So they never really 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.080 got a chance to hear me do that until, you know, 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.640 until I did this, and Mom was surprised. 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.040 She she was happy with it. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.760 And you know, her biggest advice to me was she's like, well, 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.200 your name will get you in the door. She's like, 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.480 you got to be able to stay in the room. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.160 So she's like, you can't back down. You have to 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.120 keep working at this and keep keep crafting its. He's like, 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.320 but she's like, I think you'll do fine. So yeah, 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.200 as far as everyone else, it doesn't really matter, you know. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.440 It's like, it's okay. People have their opinions. People want 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.680 me to I don't like being viewed as a tribute act, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:10.720 and I absolutely refuse to be a tribute act. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:11.840 I've only this. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.880 Year started putting a few songs to Dad's in the 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.640 in the show because I started feeling bad because people 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.040 want to hear some of his stuff. So I'm like, okay, fine, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.960 I'll do some of his songs too. And that only 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.600 came actually after talking with Ned Ludoo and his manager 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:32.640 about how us as children really have the most right 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.680 to be able to sing our parents' songs. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.200 And I was like, well, that's a kind of a 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:37.920 good point. Didn't really think of it that way. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.560 And you know, it's kind of up to us to 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:45.320 keep that going, you know, because I mean, if you 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:49.120 think about it, if the if, the the Cash family, 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.280 you know, of all them, if if they never would 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.000 have done any kept that music going, then it would 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.120 have it would have faded, right, So I don't know. Yeah, 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:04.400 it's it's an interesting thing being compared, but yeah, who cares. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.120 People are gonna do what they're gonna do. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.920 Right on, we'll be right back with more of the 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:18.800 Taking a Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:19.680 Walk Podcast. 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:25.240 So you had a unique perspective being a runner to 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.160 a guitar tech and kind of getting a sense of 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.720 the behind the scenes aspect of touring and the music 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:38.760 business that must to this day still shape you as 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.520 you have an appreciation that's unique for those that are 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.360 working on your behalf around you. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.760 Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's funny. You know. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.200 You'll get other artists who they'll look at you and 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.200 be like, well, you need to pay your dues, and 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.640 he's like, man, I've been paying my dues before you 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.240 were even in the business. It's like I was. I 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:02.800 was a guitar at tech, I was a roadie, and 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.000 Dad didn't show favoritism. I got treated just like anybody 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:11.359 else in the band. So yeah, it has shaped the way. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.479 That has shaped the way I treat my band. But 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.800 it also what has shaped it is, you know, being 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.879 a military leader as well. It's first and foremost and 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.240 priority that we take care of our soldiers when we 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.320 take care of our people. So there have been a 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.600 few gigs where I've walked away with nothing because I 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.560 made sure the band's paid. I make sure that they 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.520 have a hotel rooms, I make sure that they're taking 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.240 care of that they get per diem on the days 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.800 off and things like that, because you know, I mean, 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.320 they're the ones that help you get where you're going, 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:42.879 you know. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:44.520 Without the band. I mean, yeah, I could go out 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:45.440 and do solo acs. 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.160 And just play acoustic guitar, but there's so much more 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.679 energy and it's so much more fun and for me 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:57.560 and for the listener to have that big band. There's right, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.760 it's the same reason why I won't compromise. And I 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.800 don't like not having a steel guitar and and not 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.000 having a fiddle. I want both of those in my music, right. 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.080 So it just it adds so much more. It's it's 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:14.560 it's important to me so and taking care of everybody. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.040 I couldn't do this. I couldn't live with myself if 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.600 I were to not do that. It's just yeah, and 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.239 Dad did that too. Dad always took care of the band. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:24.879 You always make sure everbody was always taken care of. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.600 I learned from that as well. I the man would 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.399 have gave the shirt off his back for others, and 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.080 he did at times. So that shaped it. The military 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.919 shaped it. Yeah, that's that's just how I how I 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:37.600 run things. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:44.080 Who are some of those other visionaries or artists, obviously, 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.479 aside from from your father you mentioned, you know, like Tyler, 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.040 But who are some of the other folks that you 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:55.000 really look at today and and and admire. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:00.679 Yeah, well, definitely, Like I said, George Strait, I really 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.159 liked the way he has managed his career in what 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.439 he's done. I look kind of back to you know, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:12.639 Roy Rogers. That might sound odd, but he was he 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.720 He had a lot of unique and cool ideas and 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.399 the way he did things, and I know a lot 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.800 of it was the movie Career too, got that, But yeah, 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.880 I liked I liked his honesty and how he how 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.359 he just you know, kept to the cowboy code and 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.840 all that it was. It hit him and Dale really really. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:29.560 Cool cool people. 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.119 Well you you earlier referenced the Cash family, so I 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:38.680 would I would assume within the Cash family there's somebody. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.320 Definitely the Cash family. 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.240 The way they've kept everything alive and going and have 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:49.439 kept their their their the father's legacy a lot alive 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.280 and flourishing is something that I admire. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:54.720 I think that's that's a good thing. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.440 I know it's a business thing, and some people will say, well, yeah, 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.000 it's about keeping the money going, but it's I'm telling 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.800 for a lot of us, it isn't about keeping money going. 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.639 It is about keeping their memory alive, and it's about 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.600 wanting to make sure the future generations can hear that 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.080 music and appreciate it. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:13.400 Right. 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.200 It's the same reason why I keep hoping I keep 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.160 hoping Dad will make it into the Hall of Fame 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:19.000 because he's a Hall. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:20.679 Of fame and get there. 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.560 He should get there on his merits, not for the 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.200 couple the crazy things that he did, right, he did 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.720 some goofy things, We got all that. But he did 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.560 so much that people just I don't think realize within 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.840 the history of country music and affected other artists from 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.119 Ray Price, George Jones and up and through, you know, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.200 even modern day artists like Tracy Bird. 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.119 So I mean modern. I guess he's not modern anymore, 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:45.359 is he? 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:49.399 But anyway, yeah, well modern for me, nineties guy, but 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.280 uh yeah, it's uh, those are some of the ones, 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.840 you know that affect the way I do things and 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:57.640 how I view things. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:02.240 Heck, Danny Shirley from Confederate Railroad. 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:07.399 He he's another one that's kind of started to you know, 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.639 gear my focus my career and move my career a 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:14.359 little bit just because of me and him talking and 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.960 him you know, offering advice and things like that. He 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.520 was the first one that really, uh for a working 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.040 act that's still out there. He was one of the 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.680 first ones that ever called me up and was just 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.760 asking like, hey, how you doing and how things going, 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.480 and so you're taking on music and you know, how's 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.320 that going, and just just offering friendly advice and he's 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.959 you know, not asking for nothing, just just being friendly. 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.760 So that's another good thing about the country music industry 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.720 as well, the country music business business industry. I don't 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:50.639 know how to say the community. Sure, yeah, exactly. It's 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.840 it's small really in the in the grand scheme of things, 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:54.560 it's small. 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:56.960 And you know, a. 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.959 Lot of the players in this business are very friendly 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:05.000 and good people, and uh are willing to help. You know, 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.080