1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could go out and new solo acs and 3 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: just play acoustic guitar, but there's so much more energy. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: It's so much more fun and for me and for 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: the listener to have that big band there is right. 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 2: It's the same reason why I won't compromise, and I 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: don't like not having a steel guitar and not having 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: a fiddle. 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: I want both of those in my music. 10 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, where we stroll 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: through the stories, the sounds, and the soul of music 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: with the people who make it matter. Buzznight is your host, 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: and today he's got a very special guest joining us, 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: someone who carries both the weight of a legendary name 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: and the drive to carve out his own place in 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: country music. John Paycheck grew up backstage and on the road, 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: soaking up the sights and the sounds of country music 18 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: alongside his father, the iconic Johnny Paycheck. But John isn't 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: just walking in his father's footsteps. He's blazing his own trail, 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: blending tradition with a fresh perspective and a powerful On 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: this episode, we'll talk about what it was like growing 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: up in a musical family. The lessons learned from life 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: on tour and the challenges and triumphs of building a 24 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: career in today's music industry. Will dive into his songwriting 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: and the process, and his new album More Days Behind, 26 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: and the stories that have shaped his journey. So lace 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: up your boots and join us for a walk with 28 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: John Paycheck on the Taking a Walk Podcast with Buzz Night. 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 4: Well, John Paycheck, Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 4: So, since we do call this podcast taking a Walk, 32 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you if you could take a 33 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 4: walk with somebody living or dead, somebody involved with music 34 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: but doesn't have to be up to you. Who would 35 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 4: it be and where would you take a walk with him? 36 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: John Boy, I'll tell you that's an interesting one because 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: I've got so many assets to my life. There'd be 38 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: people in the military, like people from history that would 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: be interesting. But since we're talking about music, I gotta 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: say this is going to be probably a ridiculous well 41 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: not a ridiculous answer, but a lame answer, I guess. 42 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: But it probably would be my dad again. And the 43 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: reason being is I wasn't in music when he was alive, 44 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: and I learned a lot from him. But there are 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: so many questions I have now and things that I 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: would like to talk to him about now. That that 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: would be. That would be really cool, is to be 48 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: able to just walk with him one more time and 49 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: talk with him, ask him all these questions and things 50 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: that I have now you know again, And that's also 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: kind of a I guess that's kind of a rite 52 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: of passage to as an adult. 53 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 3: You know, you lose your parents eventually, and you. 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: Have a lot of things you wish you would have 55 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: asked and said and done, but you know, now we're 56 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: here and you're you're an orphan once again. But yeah, no, 57 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: it's uh that that I think that would probably be. 58 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: That's the first person that came to mind. 59 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 4: John. There's nothing lame about it, and I sometimes try 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: to guess in my own head what the individual might answer. Yeah, 61 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 4: so it's your answer. It's your life and it's your 62 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 4: pop So nothing lame about it, sir. 63 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: It'd be interesting if some of somebody living, that would 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: be interesting. It would probably I'd love to talk because 65 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: I admire how he does business and how he has 66 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: managed his life. Is George Strait that would be somebody 67 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: I would like to talk to about just how they've 68 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 2: done things and why they've done things a certain way 69 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: as far as just uh managing well, heck, managing their 70 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: life and everything too, because uh, yeah, I admire the 71 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: way he's kept on the good side of things as 72 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: far as I can see, you know what I mean. 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: And he's been very very responsible. Just seems like a 74 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: down to earth, really really good person. 75 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: So yeah, and has figured out too, in an ever 76 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: changing ecosystem, how to you know, stay true to his core, 77 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 4: but also how to you know, evolve as well. 78 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, hundred percent, Yeah, he really has. 79 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 4: So talk about your military history and and then maybe 80 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: bring it full circle into some of what that has 81 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: taught you to this day around being you know an artist. 82 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I started out really in the fire service 83 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: as a firefighter, and that was my first experience with 84 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: an organization with that military feel. Right when in after 85 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: a while I got that calling to go serve and 86 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: kind of stemmed from my grandfather really but greatest generation 87 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: it was nine to eleven kind of tipped it off 88 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: for me to finally just push the button and go. 89 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, served started out with a heavy armor unit 90 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: with Abrams tanks. Was there for a short while and 91 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: then commissioned, became commissioned officer and went into aviation, well 92 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: intelligence first, then in aviation, then intelligence aviation, and then 93 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: finally ended up with where I'm at now, which is 94 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: back in intelligence. But flew Blackhawks, was with an assault unit, 95 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: flew Kiawa Warrior, flew the C twelve, which is a 96 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: fixed wing aircraft King Air. It's a King Air, two 97 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: props and everything going out, looking at doing circles and 98 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: looking at bad guys and tell them where the tell 99 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: them the good guys where the bad guys are. All 100 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, collecting information at all. How did 101 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: you get back to music? Well, I had gotten to 102 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: a point where the it's it's a regimented life to 103 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: a degree within the army, and it's it's, uh, you're 104 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: you're told what to do, but you're also doing things 105 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: on your own as well, and there's some creativity there, 106 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: but it's not the same type of creativity. 107 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 3: It's not the artistic creativity. And I missed that. 108 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: I had gone to an opening at the Country Music 109 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame and it was an outlaw exhibit they 110 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: were doing, and had met up with a bunch of 111 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: people that I hadn't seen in a long time. 112 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: Shooter. 113 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: Shooter Jennings was one of them, Tyler Coe and met 114 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: up with them afterwards, was talking with them, and I 115 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: missed that camaraderie, that type of camaraderie. I missed the 116 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: music business a little, not the business, but more of 117 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: the art. And uh, yeah, it kind of steered me 118 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: back to doing this and here I am back to 119 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: doing music and back to touring and creating, creating albums 120 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: and everything else. Which, yeah, it's been fun, it's been interesting, 121 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: and uh, we're trying to make a run of it 122 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: as far as as far as we can. 123 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: I guess when you talk to somebody like a Shooter Jennings, 124 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: who obviously, like you, comes from a household that was 125 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 4: a music household, any similarities to his journey to yours 126 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 4: as you have gotten to know him. 127 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, me and Shooter we have there's a lot 128 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 3: of similarities. Honestly. 129 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: I mean I remember being around him when I was 130 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: much much younger. 131 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: We were both young. 132 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, your parents are gone all the time, 133 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: you kind of learned to grow up a little, a 134 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: little earlier than than most. I'm from that generation too, 135 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: where we were you know, latchkey kids. So a lot 136 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: of us grew up a little quicker than most. So 137 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: there's there's that, but uh yeah, no, we uh there's 138 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: some chaos in the household too that we all have. 139 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: That's similar. 140 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: Me and Tyler have a lot of similarities as well, 141 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: growing up, just with some of the craziness. Uh Waylan 142 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: didn't didn't stray too far from from acting like a 143 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: country singer. 144 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: And Dad did. 145 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: Dad kind of went off, kind of thought he was 146 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: a pirate there for a little while, you know, doing 147 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: just ridiculous things. But it was just part of that 148 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: time and who they were in the business and everything else. 149 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I mean there were times when bills 150 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: didn't get paid, a home and you didn't have electricity, 151 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: or you didn't you know, or you know, dad didn't 152 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: come home because he was you know, outroaring. But things 153 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: things happened. It just is what it is. And yeah, yeah, 154 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: you grow up with it, and yeah I learned to 155 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: accept it. But uh, me and me and Tyler probably 156 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: a little more similar, Me and Shooter as far as 157 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: the music stuff and being around you know, famous people 158 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: and all that. Yeah, we got that in common. Yeah, 159 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: and it's comforting too to be around somebody who gets it. 160 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a club I guess you 161 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: could call it of us that that's just we all 162 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: identify really well and understand how how each other. 163 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: I will say this, there is a little bit. 164 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: There are some there's there's there's that culture, and then 165 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: there's two other types of cultures within this within the 166 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: music business. And then when you have the ultra ultra 167 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: ultra famous types and they were making millions of dollars, 168 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: that family is going to be a little bit different 169 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: than the ones that were going through hard times and 170 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: lost everything, and you know, so there's there's a little 171 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: bit of difference there, but not much, not much. 172 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: So growing up as the son of Johnny Paycheck that 173 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: can you describe the earliest memories of music in your 174 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,479 Speaker 4: in your household? 175 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: With the earliest one I remembers, I was the heck, 176 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: I wasn't like, I wasn't even in kindergarten yet. Actually 177 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: even before that though, I actually thought about this for that, 178 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: I remember when I was just a little one, being 179 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: on the road and being on a tour bus and 180 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: things like that. I am that that definitely kind of 181 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: started shaping my. 182 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: View of the world a little bit. 183 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: But as far as music, it's it's funny because you 184 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: don't realize that your parents are famous until way later 185 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: in life. And uh, you don't realize just how influential 186 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: or how creative they were because they were just dad. 187 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: You know. It was that was dad. That was Dad's job. 188 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: That's what he did. 189 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: It was you know, he kind of thought at one point, 190 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: you think everybody does this, but it's yeah, it becomes 191 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: very evident later that that's that's. 192 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: Oh, no, he was. He was actually unique, you know. 193 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: But I remember when I was a little one, just 194 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: going and playing his guitar and playing with it and 195 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: you know, learning about it and things like that from 196 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: very very young age, even before I wasn't even in 197 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: like kindergarten. So but yeah, music was always always around 198 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: the house and Dad was always either writing or you know, resting. 199 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: So it was pretty much the way it was. 200 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 4: Because your dad was on the road, it's hunt, wasn't he. 201 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was uh, that was pretty much what 202 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: he lived. He lived for touring and being out in 203 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: front of a crowd and entertaining. So and that was 204 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: also how he made an income, right, Mom didn't work. 205 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: She was a stay at home mom so or an 206 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: entertainer's wife. But uh yeah he was. He was always 207 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: on the road, always touring. 208 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: So yeah, so the pressure of living up to being 209 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 4: the might as well just get with it, right, being 210 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 4: the the the son of a thing and misperformer. How 211 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 4: have you dealt with that through your life? 212 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: Well? 213 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: It it didn't affect really much in the fire service 214 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: or in the in the military, besides some ribbing and 215 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 2: you know, just people being you know kind of like. 216 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: Whoa, really, that's that's who your dad is. Like, yeah, yeah, 217 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 3: that's that's it. And off we go, you know, just 218 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: doing whatever we do. 219 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: Now, coming back to music, I've had some critics that 220 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: have been a little harsh, Oh he's not like his father, 221 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 2: and it's like, well, no, no kidding, I'm not my father. 222 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: I was like, And for that critic who was writing 223 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: those comments, by the way, you're not Shakespeare either, so 224 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: I mean, what are you going to do? 225 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: You know, so, you know, comparing me to someone that. 226 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: Is was so so influential and such a great writer 227 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: and everything else, it's kind of it's a fool's errand 228 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense. It's you know, I stand on 229 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: my own merits and what I do, so judge me 230 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 2: for you know, the people that I am my peers now, 231 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: which would make sense because you know, who's judging anybody 232 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: against like George Jones or or you know, Johnny Paycheck 233 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: or Whalen or anybody that's kind of foolish and and 234 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 2: and for as great as they were, they were also 235 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 2: just human as well, and they were just doing what 236 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: they could, you know. So there's plenty of great singers 237 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: and entertainers out there as far as me, I don't. 238 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: It got to me a little bit in the beginning, 239 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: and the main concern I had was not wanting to 240 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: let my family down. My family just named my legacy 241 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. I didn't want to disappoint you, buddy, 242 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: especially my mom, who was around when I started out. 243 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: But you know, as I got more into it, you know, 244 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: and she, my mom, was very critical. So yeah, she 245 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: would have let me known right away. Is like, oh 246 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: the same for you if if it was you know, 247 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: if that was the case. She never never buy any chance, 248 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: would would lie to me about anything like that. And 249 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: she was she was pleasantly surprised and said no, you know, 250 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: because I didn't sing around them. I didn't, you know, 251 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: I played instruments and things like that, and they all 252 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: thought I was My mom and dad thought I was 253 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: a good musician, but you know, I never I just 254 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: never sang around them, singing some choirs and things like that, 255 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: but never like anything a solo. So they never really 256 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: got a chance to hear me do that until, you know, 257 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: until I did this, and Mom was surprised. 258 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 3: She she was happy with it. 259 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: And you know, her biggest advice to me was she's like, well, 260 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: your name will get you in the door. She's like, 261 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: you got to be able to stay in the room. 262 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: So she's like, you can't back down. You have to 263 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: keep working at this and keep keep crafting its. He's like, 264 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: but she's like, I think you'll do fine. So yeah, 265 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: as far as everyone else, it doesn't really matter, you know. 266 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: It's like, it's okay. People have their opinions. People want 267 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: me to I don't like being viewed as a tribute act, 268 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: and I absolutely refuse to be a tribute act. 269 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: I've only this. 270 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: Year started putting a few songs to Dad's in the 271 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: in the show because I started feeling bad because people 272 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: want to hear some of his stuff. So I'm like, okay, fine, 273 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: I'll do some of his songs too. And that only 274 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: came actually after talking with Ned Ludoo and his manager 275 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: about how us as children really have the most right 276 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: to be able to sing our parents' songs. 277 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, that's a kind of a 278 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: good point. Didn't really think of it that way. 279 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: And you know, it's kind of up to us to 280 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: keep that going, you know, because I mean, if you 281 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: think about it, if the if, the the Cash family, 282 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: you know, of all them, if if they never would 283 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: have done any kept that music going, then it would 284 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: have it would have faded, right, So I don't know. Yeah, 285 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: it's it's an interesting thing being compared, but yeah, who cares. 286 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: People are gonna do what they're gonna do. 287 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Right on, we'll be right back with more of the 288 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a 289 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: Walk Podcast. 290 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 4: So you had a unique perspective being a runner to 291 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 4: a guitar tech and kind of getting a sense of 292 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 4: the behind the scenes aspect of touring and the music 293 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 4: business that must to this day still shape you as 294 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 4: you have an appreciation that's unique for those that are 295 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 4: working on your behalf around you. 296 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's funny. You know. 297 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: You'll get other artists who they'll look at you and 298 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: be like, well, you need to pay your dues, and 299 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: he's like, man, I've been paying my dues before you 300 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: were even in the business. It's like I was. I 301 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: was a guitar at tech, I was a roadie, and 302 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: Dad didn't show favoritism. I got treated just like anybody 303 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: else in the band. So yeah, it has shaped the way. 304 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 2: That has shaped the way I treat my band. But 305 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: it also what has shaped it is, you know, being 306 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: a military leader as well. It's first and foremost and 307 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: priority that we take care of our soldiers when we 308 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: take care of our people. So there have been a 309 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: few gigs where I've walked away with nothing because I 310 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: made sure the band's paid. I make sure that they 311 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: have a hotel rooms, I make sure that they're taking 312 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: care of that they get per diem on the days 313 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: off and things like that, because you know, I mean, 314 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: they're the ones that help you get where you're going, 315 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 2: you know. 316 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: Without the band. I mean, yeah, I could go out 317 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 3: and do solo acs. 318 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: And just play acoustic guitar, but there's so much more 319 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 2: energy and it's so much more fun and for me 320 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: and for the listener to have that big band. There's right, 321 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: it's the same reason why I won't compromise. And I 322 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: don't like not having a steel guitar and and not 323 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: having a fiddle. I want both of those in my music, right. 324 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: So it just it adds so much more. It's it's 325 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: it's important to me so and taking care of everybody. 326 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: I couldn't do this. I couldn't live with myself if 327 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: I were to not do that. It's just yeah, and 328 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 2: Dad did that too. Dad always took care of the band. 329 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 2: You always make sure everbody was always taken care of. 330 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: I learned from that as well. I the man would 331 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: have gave the shirt off his back for others, and 332 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: he did at times. So that shaped it. The military 333 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 2: shaped it. Yeah, that's that's just how I how I 334 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: run things. 335 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 4: Who are some of those other visionaries or artists, obviously, 336 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 4: aside from from your father you mentioned, you know, like Tyler, 337 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 4: But who are some of the other folks that you 338 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 4: really look at today and and and admire. 339 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, definitely, Like I said, George Strait, I really 340 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 2: liked the way he has managed his career in what 341 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: he's done. I look kind of back to you know, 342 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 2: Roy Rogers. That might sound odd, but he was he 343 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: He had a lot of unique and cool ideas and 344 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: the way he did things, and I know a lot 345 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: of it was the movie Career too, got that, But yeah, 346 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 2: I liked I liked his honesty and how he how 347 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: he just you know, kept to the cowboy code and 348 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: all that it was. It hit him and Dale really really. 349 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: Cool cool people. 350 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 4: Well you you earlier referenced the Cash family, so I 351 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 4: would I would assume within the Cash family there's somebody. 352 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: Definitely the Cash family. 353 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: The way they've kept everything alive and going and have 354 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 2: kept their their their the father's legacy a lot alive 355 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: and flourishing is something that I admire. 356 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: I think that's that's a good thing. 357 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: I know it's a business thing, and some people will say, well, yeah, 358 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: it's about keeping the money going, but it's I'm telling 359 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: for a lot of us, it isn't about keeping money going. 360 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: It is about keeping their memory alive, and it's about 361 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: wanting to make sure the future generations can hear that 362 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: music and appreciate it. 363 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 4: Right. 364 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: It's the same reason why I keep hoping I keep 365 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: hoping Dad will make it into the Hall of Fame 366 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: because he's a Hall. 367 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 3: Of fame and get there. 368 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: He should get there on his merits, not for the 369 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: couple the crazy things that he did, right, he did 370 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: some goofy things, We got all that. But he did 371 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: so much that people just I don't think realize within 372 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: the history of country music and affected other artists from 373 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: Ray Price, George Jones and up and through, you know, 374 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: even modern day artists like Tracy Bird. 375 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 3: So I mean modern. I guess he's not modern anymore, 376 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: is he? 377 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, well modern for me, nineties guy, but 378 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: uh yeah, it's uh, those are some of the ones, 379 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: you know that affect the way I do things and 380 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: how I view things. 381 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 3: Heck, Danny Shirley from Confederate Railroad. 382 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: He he's another one that's kind of started to you know, 383 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: gear my focus my career and move my career a 384 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: little bit just because of me and him talking and 385 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: him you know, offering advice and things like that. He 386 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: was the first one that really, uh for a working 387 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: act that's still out there. He was one of the 388 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 2: first ones that ever called me up and was just 389 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: asking like, hey, how you doing and how things going, 390 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: and so you're taking on music and you know, how's 391 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: that going, and just just offering friendly advice and he's 392 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 2: you know, not asking for nothing, just just being friendly. 393 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: So that's another good thing about the country music industry 394 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: as well, the country music business business industry. I don't 395 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: know how to say the community. Sure, yeah, exactly. It's 396 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: it's small really in the in the grand scheme of things, 397 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: it's small. 398 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: And you know, a. 399 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 2: Lot of the players in this business are very friendly 400 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: and good people, and uh are willing to help. You know, 401 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: it's not as cutthroat as he might think. When you 402 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: get into the business pieces of it, with the actual 403 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: business people, it can be. But even then there's there's 404 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: there's a lot of really good people in this business. 405 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 4: I'm shocked at what you said earlier. I did not 406 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 4: realize that your dad is not in the Country Music 407 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. 408 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, his memorabilia's in the museum, the show of guitar 409 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: and some things, and I know they've got some things 410 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: in archive as well. 411 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 3: But he has not been inducted. 412 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's a shame, but I'm told that every 413 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: year he comes up on the ballad and he gets close. 414 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: So hopefully one year he'll he'll, uh, he'll make it in. 415 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: How do you think he would view that information or 416 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 4: that he is viewing this that information as we speak. 417 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: I don't know if he would care. 418 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: He he he just you know, those things are nice, 419 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 2: but what really, really, honestly meant something to him was 420 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: being able to go out there and sing and perform. 421 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 2: And that didn't affect that. So I'll tell you what 422 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: he loved. He loved being a member of the Grand 423 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: Ole Opry. He was so thrilled that night when he 424 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: got inducted, and he was so happy to be able 425 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: to say he was a member of the Grand Ole Opry, 426 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: which you know, twenty years before that he didn't care 427 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: for the Opry and it was an institution and all 428 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: this other stuff. But I mean the seventies were different, right, 429 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, his view as he got more mature and 430 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: wised up and then also got clean changed, So yeah, 431 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: he realized, I mean, what a great institution the Grand 432 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: Opry is. I know they've got there's some turmoil around 433 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: it with other artists and things like that, but I mean, overall, yeah, 434 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: the Grand Ole Opry is an amazing institution. 435 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 4: So congrats on the new album Days Behind. First of all, 436 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: you you co wrote much of it with or all 437 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 4: of it with with Scott Gabby. What was that writing 438 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 4: process like for that project? 439 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: So on the first album, on this album, on the 440 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 2: next one one after that, I write most everything, or 441 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 2: a co writes every co write everything, and me and Scott. 442 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: Me and Scott have known each other for a long 443 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: time since we were kids, and uh, we actually had 444 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: a heavy metal band together when we were kids, so 445 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: so we've known each other quite a while, and writing 446 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: with him is just really really easy. 447 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: We all sat. 448 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: Down and, uh, you know, depending on what we're going 449 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: to write, we may have some whiskey with us, or 450 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: we may just sit there with a soda, depends on 451 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: depends on what we're writing, and yeah, we'll uh, we'll 452 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: just start pitching stuff back and forth and go go 453 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: from there. That's that's really kind of how simple it is. 454 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: But the idea for the album is a little more 455 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: a little more complex because what I'll do is, you know, 456 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 2: I'll say, well, for this album, I want twelve songs, 457 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 2: and I'll start drafting out a skeleton, almost like if 458 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 2: I'm writing a book, where it's like I want this 459 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: chapter to be about this, and this to be about this. 460 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: That's That's kind of how I do with writing an album, 461 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: where I'll say, well, I want to want to love ballad, 462 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: I want a Rodeo song, I want this, I want that, 463 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 2: and we'll go through it that way. And one thing 464 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 2: is I always I like Western history, American West history. 465 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: So I usually try to have at least one song 466 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: that touches on a figure from that time, somebody that 467 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: I find interesting and maybe nobody's heard about. 468 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 3: And I do that. 469 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, in this one, we had a murder ballad, 470 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: which was something unique for me. A little worry about 471 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: putting that out, but yeah, that's it turned out, okay. Yeah, 472 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's kind of how the writing writing works. 473 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: We lock ourselves away for a couple of months and 474 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: come out with a come out with an album full 475 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: of songs. I mean, and we're writing all the time, 476 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: especially when we're on the road. He's also my rhythm 477 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: guitarist in the band, and uh, we we may be 478 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: sitting on the bush and cope with the idea and 479 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: we'll sit back there and try to strum through it 480 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: and figure out the basic form of it and and 481 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: get something, get something down. 482 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: But yeah, it happens all throughout the year. 483 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: But yeah, there's definitely a process, a little bit, a 484 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 2: little bit of a process there when we start getting close. 485 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 3: To album time. 486 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 4: You mentioned George Straight earlier and you cover when did 487 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 4: You Stop Loving me? H? For the album? Talk about 488 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 4: what that song means to you? 489 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: Well, it was, it was definitely, Uh, it was cool 490 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 2: doing that and uh, George Jones covered it as well. 491 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: He did it after after Straight did it didn't do 492 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 2: as well for George, but George Jones. 493 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 3: But yeah, that one was off of it was. It 494 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 3: was in the movie too. 495 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: That George did and that's where I first heard it. 496 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: And man, I've always just like I said, I've always 497 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: loved George's music, and it was it was neat to 498 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 2: be able to and intimidating, neat and intimidating to do 499 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: something that he did and try to try to make 500 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: it at least close to his good. 501 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 3: Definitely not as good, but close to his good. 502 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: And hopefully hopefully somebody has in his camp has went 503 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: Paycheck's kid covered your song and he and he got 504 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: to chuck a lot of it. Maybe I don't know, so, 505 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 2: oh I'm sure he'll hear about it. Yeah, no doubt. 506 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: I mean he he covered Dad's old violin and he 507 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: would play it in the shows and everything. And I 508 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 2: remember when his people contacted me about that, They're like, hey, 509 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: we need the rights to be able to do this. 510 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, most definitely sure, and he did. 511 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: He did a good job with that. He was probably 512 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: one of the few. That song is really important to 513 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 2: my family because it was dad's funeral song, and there's 514 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: very few people that have sang it that I like 515 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 2: the way they sing it. 516 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 3: I didn't mind the way he sang it. 517 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 4: So have you heard George Strait's version of the Tom 518 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 4: Petty song You Wreck Me? 519 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 520 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 2: I saw We saw him at uh In we were 521 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 2: at Me and my wife were at National Finals Rodeo 522 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: this year in Vegas and we saw the We saw 523 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: the show in Vegas and that's where I heard him 524 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: sing it. 525 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: I was just like, man, that's really cool. It was 526 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: really neat. 527 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 4: What a version that is? 528 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: My God? 529 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 4: Talk about some of the other songs you want to 530 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 4: highlight from the album. 531 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: Well, I'm real proud right now, especially of Foolish Ways 532 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: that one I wrote from the perspective of somebody who 533 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: is either uh in depression, suffering from depression badly, or 534 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: as possibly an addict. It's from that perspective where you 535 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: just don't really believe what people are telling you, that 536 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: things don't feel like they're going to get better, and 537 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: you understand what people think, but there's not much you 538 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: can do about it. It's it's that feeling. And I've 539 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 2: been there, so I get I get I get it, 540 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: trust me. But we released the new video on that 541 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: one this uh this beginning of the month, and uh 542 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: we also were donating the money, uh any any of 543 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: the royalties I make off of it this month and 544 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: everything we're going to the American Association for Health and Wellness. 545 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, we're we're doing that. But real proud 546 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 3: of that song. I like that song. 547 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: I thought I thought it came out, okay. I also 548 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: like More Days Behind. More Days Behind is fun, and 549 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: it's the title track, but it's it's fun because it 550 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 2: is a kind of an awakening of you know, hey, hey, 551 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: I've lived this long. There are more days behind me 552 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 2: than there are in front of me now, and it's 553 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: like I never really thought of that until just now, 554 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: and it's kind of just talks about you know, you 555 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: need to kind of appreciate what you got and try 556 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 2: to make the best of what what's left and what 557 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: are you gonna do with it? You know. 558 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: So that's that's that's what that song is about. 559 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 4: It. 560 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: It's got a happy vibe and tone to it, so 561 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: it's not depressing. It's it's more of a it's like, okay, 562 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: well why be depressed about it? This is just where 563 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: you're at. So you know, we're all doing the same thing. 564 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: So so yeah, that those two. 565 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: Tracks, I like, real well, the murder Ballot's pretty good. 566 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: But again, it's not an actual it's it's a made 567 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: up story. So everybody, this is not something I think 568 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: about doing. It's it's it's it's a good song though 569 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: it's a good story. 570 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 3: We wrote it kind of like a we we listened 571 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: to some. 572 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: Oh the podcast or not podcast, the uh the true 573 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: crime shows and stuff. 574 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: We were listening to some. 575 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: Of that, and uh, that's where we got some of 576 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: the ideas and we're like, man, this is it'd be 577 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: kind of interesting to write a song this way, like 578 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 2: a like a true crime story, and that that's that's 579 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: what we were attempting. Came out good, came out good. 580 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: It's uh, it's a little little shocking towards the end, 581 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: but yeah, that's. 582 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: An interesting one too. White Lights was good. I let 583 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 3: me bring up that one too, White Lights. I like 584 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 3: that one. 585 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: That's my only trucking song right now, and I like, 586 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: I like, I like trucking songs. 587 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 3: But I took that one as. 588 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 2: A a trucker kind of running away from a bad 589 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: relationship type type thing, and yeah, it turned out it 590 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: turned out good too. 591 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 3: So all of this is thanks to Bill McDermott. 592 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: He's my producer there in Nashville, and it's all thanks 593 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: to him and the session musicians and everything else, because yeah, 594 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: without them, none of this would come out the way 595 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: we we have it. 596 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 3: It's it comes out great. 597 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 4: So and coming to a city near you also, you'll 598 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 4: be hitting the road. 599 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we we're all over the place right now. 600 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: Well, we've slowed down here for this month, try to 601 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 2: catch our breath after we were just out in New Mexico. 602 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, we're we're gonna be a lot of Texas dates. 603 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: All my dates and everything are up on my bands 604 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: in town and on my website and at johnpaycheck dot com. 605 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 3: It's easy, easy to find. 606 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's been a nice response 607 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: this year. We're getting getting more dates and building as 608 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: we go here hopefully you know, it just keeps building. 609 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, well I want to get to this medium 610 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: level of success where I can, you know, take care 611 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: of the band and everybody and we're we're all making 612 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 2: you know, an okay wage and able to get our 613 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: music out there to everybody and have good time. 614 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 4: So goals for the next chapter of your career, both 615 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 4: in the studio and on the road. 616 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna start right well, we started writing already, 617 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: but we're gonna start writing for the next album because 618 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: there'll be another one next year. I'm trying to do 619 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: one every other year. I was trying to do one 620 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: every year, but with that time schedule gets really cramped, 621 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: so we're doing one every other year. I want to 622 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: at least do three more albums. It's for a total 623 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: of five, and then we'll kind of reevaluate what we're 624 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: doing at that point. But yeah, another album next year. Touring, 625 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: we're just trying to keep building on that. 626 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 3: Every year. 627 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: I tour from May till about mid November every year, 628 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: and the rest of that time there. I want my 629 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: band and everybody to go home and be with families 630 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: and spend time for the holidays and not have to 631 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: think about when am I coming off the road, when 632 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to go back on the road. 633 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 4: Well, John, congrats on more days behind. Thank you so 634 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 4: much for this service that will you and your wife 635 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 4: really give to our country nothing. And thank you for 636 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 4: the music that you give us as well. Really appreciate 637 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 4: you taking the time to be on Taking a Walk. 638 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: No, thank you for having me. 639 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 640 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 641 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 642 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 643 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts.