WEBVTT - Millions Racially Reclassified by U.S. Census with Asian Soph 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.240 Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.600 welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.640 mission is to foster allyship, empathy and understanding. I am 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.760 your host, Rams' ja he is Ramsey's Jaw. I am 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.280 q Ward. You are tuned into Civic Cipher, Yes you are, 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.440 and we have a very special show in store for 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.599 you today. Please stick around because we are talking to 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:27.040 the one, the only Asian Self. You might know her 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:32.120 from going viral on social media time and time again. Well, 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.479 we actually are going to be having a conversation with 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:41.680 her about several goings on, particularly around immigration and status, 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.479 racial status and classification and so forth, because there are 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.800 some goings on that many people are not aware of. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.159 And then, of course for those that don't know, today's 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:54.160 guest as a social media influencer and activist. Again she's 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.720 Asian Self, and she can be found online at the 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:01.480 handle at Asian Self, Asian Underscore so or at Mixed 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:06.200 Present and again she speaks on and organizes around the mixed, 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.959 bipoc multiracial experience in the United States. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.680 Asian Self. Welcome to the show. 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:14.440 Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:15.400 Yeah, sorry about that. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.880 It was like a mouthful, But hopefully you can tell 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.080 that we're brimming with excitement and really excited to get 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:29.560 into the conversation. Again, a lot of developments, particularly in 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.600 Los Angeles, we've learned a lot lately about how human 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.039 beings are regarded. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.680 Using a pseudo scientific. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:43.479 I wouldn't even call it pseudo scientific, bogus scientific basis 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.720 known as race, but it's something that we've come to 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.960 regard each other, you know, as and it's how we 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:54.360 frame our society. So again, really excited to get into 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.560 those weaks. But long before we get there, we have 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.400 to take a moment and acknowledge some ebony x xces. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.600 Shall we Yeah, I think we shall. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.840 So today's Ebony excellence, we are shouting out the one 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.359 and only Kendrick Lamar. Were obviously are big fans of 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.799 Kendrick Lamar on this show, and I'll share a bit 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.720 from Hot New Hip Hop to frame the conversation. Kendrick 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.560 Lamar and Siss set a new standard on the Grand 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.280 National Tour. More importantly, the tour embodies PG Lang's forward 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:27.160 thinking ethos at the intersection of art and media. Triumphant 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.640 Hardy hardly describes the past twelve months of Kendrick Lamar's 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.880 career like that marked the beginning of a new era 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.480 of his career, where he'd officially depart from Top Dog 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.040 Entertainment and embark on a new journey as a co 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.120 founder of PG Lang, a multidisciplinary creative communications company that 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.400 has extended its reach to the Super Bowl, Cash app, 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.960 Calvin Klein, and Converse, among others. Since Good Kid, Mad City, 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.360 Kendricks bought a cinematic appeal to his work that's gone 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.760 from tragic love stories, introspective reflections on inner conflict, therapy 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.320 sessions and origin stories that have been worthy of Oscars 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.720 had they been turned in the Hollywood movies as much 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.520 of the numerous Grammys he's collected over his career. And 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.400 yet this new chapter of his career, in the wake 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.160 of Not Like Us as Success, has shaped what will 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.640 undoubtedly be remembered as an iconic run, one that seems 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.720 much more influenced by the evolving world of communication than 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.440 it is about simply wrapping. And for those that don't know, 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.960 he has broken some records during the North American leg 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.239 of his GNX tour and is now the highest grossing 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.720 hip hop concert. The Opening nine in Minneapolis grossed over 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:34.680 nine point one million dollars. 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.560 More than forty. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:40.720 Seven thousand fans attended, making Lamar the first rapper to 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.280 exceed nine million dollars in a single show. He continued 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.080 to top this record with the Seattle show grossing a 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.200 staggering in fourteen point eight million from six nine and 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.880 forty one tickets sold, and this is now the highest 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.360 grossing concert by a black man. The Dallas show at 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.320 the AT and T Stadium grossed eleven point eight to 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.800 two million dollars, sur passing the previous record held by 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:04.040 the Weekend So shout out to Kendrick Lamar. All right, 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:09.520 Asian soap, I did my best to give you. I 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:15.240 apologize an awkward introduction, but I do know your work. 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:16.960 I'm super familiar with your work, and I know that 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.520 a lot of people who listen to our show, a 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.720 lot of people who are interested in trying to make 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.239 the world a better place, have seen you senior viral 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.960 moments from time to time. Do us a little bit 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.400 of a favor, though, for folks that may not be familiar, 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:36.640 Talk a little bit about your background and your activism, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.479 maybe even what led you to your activism, just so 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.839 that we have a bit of a rapport with our listeners. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.320 Yeah, of course. So, like you said, I'm an influencer 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.160 and activist. I organize around a lot of the bipoc 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.400 and mixed race issues in the community, and I've been 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:55.279 speaking out, learning, unlearning, relearning real history for well over 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.320 a decade at this point, and there's still so much 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:02.359 to uncover. I consider myself perpetual student. But my roots 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.400 and activism actually started with old school hip hop. 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.159 I mean back in middle school. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.440 I found myself really like resonating with the music, not 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.560 just like the sound, but like the stories and the 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.520 truth and like where the rawness was coming from. And 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.600 it helped me make sense of what I was seeing 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.280 in the world around me because my father is an 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.920 Asian immigrant and my mother is white from the Midwest, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.960 and we had a lot of racism in our own 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:32.479 family dynamics, unfortunately, but I saw such a stark difference 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.400 in how they were treated. But as children, you don't 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.680 have words for stuff like that, you know. And on 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.760 top of that, I grew up in a really multicultural community. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.680 I mean, I was surrounded by other kids whose parents immigrated. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:51.200 There was lots of Cambodians and Cape Verdians, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Haitians, Jamaicans, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.680 like everybody, and we were all living through things that 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.840 we didn't have the language for. But for a lot 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.320 of us, the music actually gave us a mum and 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.680 a lot of vocabulary and a lot of like I guess, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.440 affinity with one another. And you know, obviously we were 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.120 living through, you know, like so many other people of color, 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:16.039 like racism or racire identity struggles and you don't always 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.800 have the words for that. And that's like kind of 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.360 what got me into the journey, and it helped me 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.479 really understand that everything that we're experiencing was systemic and 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.360 not by accident and very much related to history. And 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.039 so that's like how I root in everything that I do. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.200 And that's why I appreciate this platform that y'all have built, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.960 Like it's the same you know, rooted energy and true 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:40.400 to the conversation that we all need. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:40.719 To be having. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.760 You know, it means the world that you were able 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.839 to make time, you know, to come on the show. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.240 It's a moment in history that I think will not 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.040 soon be forgotten. But you know, those of us that 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.080 are in the activist space, it'd be easy to either 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.479 have something else that you feel like you need to 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.000 be doing or feel so overwhelmed that you couldn't press 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.240 pause to stop and sit with us. So we appreciate it. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.800 You focus a lot on what it means to be 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.600 a mixed race bipoc individual in the United States. What 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.880 are some things that people should know about that experience 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:16.760 and why it's unique. 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:23.040 Honestly, when it comes to that experience, there is so 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:30.240 many generalizations and misconceptions and stereotypes that kind of circulate around, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.360 like you know what that experience is like in the 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.560 first place, And I think just the biggest thing is, 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.320 you know, we all need a community space. And the 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.320 only way anything has ever changed, or the way narratives 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.480 have ever shifted or anything big in that way has 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.120 happened is through solidarity. And it usually comes through understanding 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:56.600 and people hearing more about our stories and hearing more 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:01.040 about what our experiences are. Because there's so many, so 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.640 many misconceptions about being mixed race that all go back 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.520 to systemic issues, and I think having that connection back 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.280 to history and also speaking out about it and also 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.840 creating the space for other mixed folks has just been 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.600 such an important part of this work, and I think 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.880 that that's really important to again have my foundation. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:26.000 In now Now speaking of this, you know, and your 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:31.320 most recent viral video, you're talking about. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:33.880 How race is. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.040 Classified in the United States, and a lot of people 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.840 were kind of shocked that this was the thing. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:42.040 You know, people. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.920 Obviously nowadays have become very accustomed to the idea of race, 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.160 and you know, most people have found a way to 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.680 fit neatly into one box or another. Some people who 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:58.080 are mixed race particularly have found a way to navigate 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:02.240 those waters, and many people still are very confused by 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.680 the concept of race entirely. However, the government just made 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.800 some sweeping changes. So talk to us about these changes, 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:15.200 talk to us about the people who are affected, the implications, 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.080 et cetera, because this is kind of the main thing 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.120 that we wanted to talk about, and this is something 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:21.120 that people need to know about. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.120 Yeah, so forty seven million people just had the race 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.920 reclassified by the US government, even though one in seven 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:31.040 people are mixed race. 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.040 It didn't only impact mixed race people. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.400 It also impacted eighty percent of Latino people who filled 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:40.320 out the census and every single race category got affected 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:45.760 by this. So they for the last couple censuses, they 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.480 use something called the mark method, which is the modified 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:52.440 Age and Race Census, and in this particular one, the 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.240 data was so they use it as like a way 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.520 to like standardize the data because you can fill out 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.520 the some other race box and put whatever you want 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.559 in there essentially, so you can self identify. You can 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.679 also choose like, for example, me like if I wanted 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.120 to choose some other race box, but then also choose 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.920 the Asian box, you can do that, so you. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.079 Can select multiple boxes. So this is just another box 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:18.600 on the list. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.480 And so basically what happened is they standardize the data, 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:28.400 but they reclassified a bunch of people as white. To 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.560 say that seventy five percent of the US population is white, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.200 which is not true. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:34.440 We just know that. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.320 And for it to now say that these forty seven 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.640 million people were reclassified and forty million are now white 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:48.120 is really questionable. And the census essentially walked back this 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:52.319 encouragement they had for folks to self identify, and they 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.240 even increased the character count for the some other race box. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.320 And then with this they just reclassified everyone into these 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:05.520 outdated races, categories, and the implications are crazy because data 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:10.000 itself is black and white, but its uses are super subjective, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.600 and depending on how it's used, they can be deeply 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.600 political and have really harmful impacts. So when we're seeing 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.600 DEI efforts and inclusivity efforts being rolled back, this kind 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:27.080 of reclassification can not only erase entire communities and justify 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.520 really harmful policy decision making. But data from the census 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:38.320 itself affects everything. It's funding political representation, healthcare, access, voting, districting, etc. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.160 Like so much more so when the numbers are manipulated 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.719 like this so dramatically, it's not just a data issue, 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.920 it's potentially a human rights issue. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.440 Human rights at this time to say is under attack 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:58.240 is not really saying enough. And lots of people would 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:02.160 like to argue that white privilege right as we talk 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:06.480 about this statistic with you know, people being reclassified as white, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.360 that white privilege isn't real, and Rams and I have 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.760 seen that from you know, people who are white who 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.679 think that white privilege means I win every time, I'm 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.400 always successful, I'm rich, My life is comfortable, no hurdles, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.880 no pain points, no struggle, when what it really means 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.920 is that the society that you grew up in was 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:32.320 not completely structured to work against you. What are some 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.760 ways that you push against that sentiment, because I know 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.400 that's something that all of us hear from time to time. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.160 Honest, it's so sickening how often we hear it. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.440 Well, I mean, I want to say that this, with 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:50.200 this reclassification is not common with any privilege, because people 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.480 get the privilege based off of how they're perceived and 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.840 having Like I don't know if you could tell on 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.200 this video, but I'm not perceived as white immediately when 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.360 people meet me, so like, even though I am technically white, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.960 there's a difference in the treatment. Right. However, you know, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.880 there's a lot of Latino people who got reclassified. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.760 And they may or may not look. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.360 White presenting because there are people who are white presenting 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.400 or white passing as some people say, or whatever. So 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.160 I did see some people in the comments talking about, well, 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.240 isn't this a good thing? Does this mean we'll get 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.600 more resources and we'll get more stuff, and it's it's 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.319 not true. You know, they're not doing this at all 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.560 to give us any more benefits. But what I say 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.520 is I'm just very very vocal about the fact that 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:38.000 a lot of people misunderstand and co opt so many terms, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.960 like we see that with woke, we see that with 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.360 you know, like the gay agenda, and like a whole 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.360 bunch of different stuff, and white privilege is just another 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.640 one of those words. And like you said, it doesn't 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.960 mean that you don't struggle, It just means you're struggle. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.719 You don't struggle because of your race, and it means 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:53.640 you're not navigating. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.400 It means that you're navigating the world with way fewer 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:01.200 racial obstacles and a lot more unspoken considered and a 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:06.800 lot more easier access to opportunities. And you know, the 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.400 weaponizing and the co opting of these words are so harmful, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.760 But at the core, it's about the systemic advantages that 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.400 white people hold simply because of how systems in this 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:19.280 country have been built, and the fact that people make 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:24.760 it about themselves. It's so hard because the only thing 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.520 that I see that you can really do to push 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.160 back is by having the conversations with people, but then 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.640 also just blatantly being like you're now making this whole 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.480 topic about you, and the fact that you need to 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.800 censor yourself in this is white privilege, Like it's literally 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.840 an action right now, you are doing it right now. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:48.920 So I think that we would have Q and I 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:54.480 would have a pretty good guess as to why the 0:14:54.600 --> 0:15:02.360 Census would reclassify all this data or what forces might 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.240 be behind it. But do you have any like real 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.960 insight into why this is happening to what end and 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.200 who is responsible for it? 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.520 Well, so the Census, So I want to say, the 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:21.240 Census itself has their own explanation of this, and obviously 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:22.080 they serve. 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.720 Their own narrative around this. So it's the posession of 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:26.880 the data. 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.400 Exactly, and they outlined the process and the data is 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.160 all available on the website. However, we got reached out 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.760 to by Ethnefax, which is another you know organization that 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.480 works with like Nielsen and stuff like that, and they 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:44.160 raised the flag because the data was so drastically changed 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.040 and so this one is so different from the last 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.640 two times it was used because of how drastically it 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.880 was changed, and that's the problem. And then there's also 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.520 been a myriad of other things that they've done where 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.480 they changed the methodology and so people that can skew 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.240 perceptions of things that can create like jumps and changes 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.600 in data that people could use as like drastic ways 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.920 saying that like more migrants are coming to this country. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:12.840 Or it's just because people don't understand how like dense 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.880 this is and how what the methodologies are and how 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.640 this is used. It can be really confusing. But why 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:21.800 am I confused? I feel like I'm not answering the question. 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:22.920 Did I forget the question? 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:23.400 No? 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.480 No, no, I'm just wondering where this comes from, Who's 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.600 trying to do this and to what end? So I 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.040 think so I think, yeah. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:36.280 Okay, I'm so sorry, my age. I'm so sorry. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.880 People will say that it's not the census. It's just 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.120 you don't really know. I don't have like an insider 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.840 from the Census like telling me, like you know, whistleblowing anything. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.920 All I have is the data that the problem is. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:54.160 Data is black and white, but it's objectively like so 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:58.040 subjective in its use case. Okay, And there's already been 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.200 a number of articles that came out that's said that 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:07.000 miss represented this data entirely, and so it could be 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:11.040 that they're doing something like this to basically, you know, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.640 set things up for the current administration to make really 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:15.679 harmful decisions. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:16.320 Okay. 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.320 It could be that I don't have any insight into 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.679 whether it is for sure, and I don't know allowed 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.679 to say that, but it could very well be in 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.680 that direction, Okay. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:30.760 If I may. And you tell me if this sounds 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:35.040 like conspiracy theory, you tell me. You know, Q and 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.920 I I think you would agree with me. We're both 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.400 a little you have to have a degree of like 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.200 conspiracy theory ishness about you because you're looking for stuff 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.960 and patterns that you know you know are there and 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:47.960 you're trying to make sense of it. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.320 But I agree with you. 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:51.840 Okay, very good. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.320 So one of the things that we know to be 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.479 true is that the far right feels like they are 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:03.200 being replaced. There is this idea of the great replacement theory. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.760 It's a theory that came out of France and kind 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:11.399 of took root in friend circles in political arenas around 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.800 the world, particularly in the far right in this country. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:22.120 And these people feel like Jewish people are replacing them, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.320 Melanated people are replacing them, immigrants are replacing them, and 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:32.040 as a result of that, they will lose the numbers, 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.440 they will lose the political influence, so forth, and so on. Now, 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.000 the current administration is chock full of people who have 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.560 echoed these sentiments to one de career or another, including 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:53.080 the President, and how the data is interpreted could. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:19:00.440 Breathe life into people who feel like they are being placed. 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.720 Right, So let's just call all these this certain group 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.160 of people white so that we get the numbers back 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.479 on our side and that pacifies the fringe folks who 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:15.879 are super worried the Jewish people are conspiring to replace them. 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.200 Now again, I know that that sounds like I'm being 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:24.360 the conspiracy theorist, but beyond that, it's hard to kind 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.720 of figure out what's going on here, you know what 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:29.960 I mean, And you know, you you kind of work 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.080 in these circles a little bit more closely. 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:32.919 How does that hit you? 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:40.520 The replacement theory is such crazy projection, and honestly, it 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.320 seems very real to me. I mean, there's a lot 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.840 of Freudian slips kind of alluding to that's the thought 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.119 process around a lot of people. 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:48.840 I mean, a lot of people. 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.160 Think that that's a lot of the motivation around the 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:55.080 abortion ban that's been you know, taking hold and stuff 0:19:55.080 --> 0:20:00.080 like that. So I don't think it's conspiracy theory, but 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:04.080 in the circles that I'm in, we hear and see 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.560 stuff that are so aligned with that. Yeah, it is 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.320 quite possible. And the thing is that kind of like 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.000 puts me off about some people. I'm sorry, Am I 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:18.760 allowed to swear? I'm so sorry? But the thing that 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.119 kind of gets me hot sometimes is that people won't 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.680 believe something until somebody confirms that this is in fact 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:30.080 what we're doing, and they will never do that. Everything 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:31.760 has kind of always been like that, you know what 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:35.080 I mean. And that's why when people say things like 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.240 there's no racist legislation or laws that exist to this day, 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.800 I'm like, well, there is, but so much is done 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.199 neutrally on paper and the census, this whole thing with 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.439 the census is the same thing. It looks neutral on paper, 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.760 but how things are weaponized in real life is where 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:51.439 the consequences are exact. 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:54.040 Yeah. 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:58.920 I had someone argue with me recently about some non capitalist, 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:04.200 non expecitative decisions that Ramsson I made at a kind 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:10.399 of a volatile moment in our career. And the problem 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.520 with trying to argue with us is that we do 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:19.440 a journalistically credible, data driven show every day on these 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:24.760 very topics so it's your feelings versus our data in facts. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.960 So it makes the argument very short because a couple 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:32.000 of rebuttals back and forth and you realize your loud 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.280 war off and my data is still accurate. And the 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.480 person said to me, it's not about facts, data and information, 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:45.480 it's about rhetoric and narrative. And I said, oh, okay, 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:46.960 I didn't know that was the game that we were playing. 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.600 I would have never played. I don't have the tools 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.520 for that game. But it takes me back to the 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:57.640 points that you guys are making. Let's just reassure our 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:02.560 people that we're not being replaced, right, Let's find a 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.439 way to make this data say something different, because the 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:11.199 rhetoric and the narrative are what's most important. And the 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:18.200 really interesting thing is those who are manipulating the data. Sorry, guys, 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.280 I don't think they actually believe that. I just think 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.200 they know they can rale their base up with that fear. 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.800 I don't think they're scared of being replaced or think 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.560 that it's actually happening. But they know there's tens of 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:32.600 millions of people that if they say that out loud 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.080 to them, they can make them feel a way. So 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.040 here's a way to reassure them that we're not being 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:41.760 replaced and we really are still the majority here and 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.800 make them feel great about themselves because I don't like 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.560 to say we're prone to conspiracy theory, because people dismiss 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:53.159 that term as just blatantly wrong information. But we are 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.600 definitely ones who will ask questions and who will not 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.440 just believe what we're told because someone said it confidently 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:04.200 on a well pud YouTube video. So you know, that's 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:10.000