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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1: kicks off right now. We have a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about. Obviously, the situation in Israel with Kaza

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Speaker 1: is top of mind. We're coming to you live from

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Speaker 1: our nation's capital, Washington, d C. And we are thankful

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Speaker 1: to Freedom one O four point seven, our new station

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Speaker 1: here in the DC area, for hosting us. We've got

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Speaker 1: a lot on the international affairs and national security front

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Speaker 1: to get into. Also, the speakers vote. We have updates

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Speaker 1: for you on the Speaker's vote situation, and then some

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Speaker 1: other stories that are hitting into the new cycle.

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Speaker 2: We're going to mix things up today.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to make this show really just one

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Speaker 1: or two stories of some other things going on. But

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Speaker 1: by far right now the biggest story in the world

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Speaker 1: is the situation.

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Speaker 2: Unfolding in Gaza. Now.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday we brought you the breaking news of a explosion

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Speaker 1: that had occurred in a hospital in Gaza City, and

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Speaker 1: initially the way it was reported, I think we even

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Speaker 1: read Clay. The New York Times headline was Israeli missile

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Speaker 1: strike hits hospital, according to Hamas, and that was the

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Speaker 1: way it was positioned. Hamas says, and Israeli missile strike

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Speaker 1: HiT's a hospital, and we were told that there were

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Speaker 1: as many as five hundred casualties. So a mass casualty

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Speaker 1: incident at a hospital, now that's obviously horrific and deeply,

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Speaker 1: deeply upsetting news. But as the facts came in, and

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Speaker 1: we were cautioning everybody initially you can't trust Hamas, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the most obvious thing in the world. As the facts

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Speaker 1: came in, it became more and more clear that this

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Speaker 1: was not, in fact, and Israeli in Israeli missile that

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Speaker 1: Israel had, the Israeli Defense Forces had absolutely no responsibility

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Speaker 1: for this event at the hospital whatsoever. And now to

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Speaker 1: add to all of this, you have the Israeli government

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Speaker 1: releasing audio suggesting this was Palestinian Islamic jihad firing a

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Speaker 1: rocket that misfired, which is common these rockets are they

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Speaker 1: do not have advanced guidance systems. Many times they just

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Speaker 1: they fail and the rockets fall short of their target,

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Speaker 1: which is Israel. So there's audio now that has been

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Speaker 1: released by the Israeli government showing that it's Palestinian Islamic

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Speaker 1: jihad that fired a rocket. The rocket fell short of

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Speaker 1: its target and hit this hospital. The US government has

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Speaker 1: now come out and said that a range of different

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Speaker 1: intelligence sources also support the assessment that this was effectively

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Speaker 1: an accident by the jihadists hitting a hospital inside of

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Speaker 1: Gazas but not the IDF's fault, not Israel's fault at all.

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Speaker 1: And Clay how many of the journalists and the voices

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Speaker 1: out there who immediately were just seething and just throwing

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Speaker 1: venting all their rage and fury at Israel over this

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Speaker 1: are coming out now and apologizing for the rush to judgment,

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Speaker 1: for the journalistic malpractice. The notion that Israel would at

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Speaker 1: this stage of this conflict just bomb this hospital was

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Speaker 1: bizarre to begin with. Israel operates within the laws of war.

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Speaker 1: Israel is the good guy here, and somehow you saw

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Speaker 1: a lot of people refuse to believe that for at

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Speaker 1: least a little bit yesterday. Yeah, the data now reflects

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Speaker 1: that the hospital didn't even get hit. It was the

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Speaker 1: parking lot next to the hospital. Hamas Aka Palestine said

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Speaker 1: five hundred people are dead. It appears maybe a handful

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Speaker 1: of people actually die and the most important part is

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Speaker 1: Palestine did it themselves, the terrorists inside of Palestine, and

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Speaker 1: people make fun of me. Still, in fact, people made

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Speaker 1: fun of me. I saw a couple of our listeners.

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Speaker 3: I was walking around trying to get newspapers this morning,

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Speaker 3: the newspapers we're here in DC. I tweeted this out,

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Speaker 3: but I'm reading directly from the pictures that I took

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Speaker 3: this morning of the front pages Washington Post. Bucket's worth

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Speaker 3: remembering what does the Washington Post have emblazoned at the

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Speaker 3: top of their Democracy dies in darkness. Democracy dies in darkness.

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Speaker 3: Hospitals strike kills hundreds is their lead story on the

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Speaker 3: Washington Post. Wall Street Journal Blast at Gaza Hospital kills hundreds.

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Speaker 3: New York Times blast kills hundreds at Gaza Hospital. Now

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Speaker 3: I know that I'm an old man and I still

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Speaker 3: read print newspapers, but the journalistic failure to excit from

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Speaker 3: a terror organization an argument that Israel had potentially killed

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Speaker 3: hundreds of people by striking a hospital. First of all,

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Speaker 3: if Israel did this, let me be clear, that's unfortunate,

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Speaker 3: but awful things happen in war and Gaza has already

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Speaker 3: occur are on their terrain is they've got blood on

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Speaker 2: They caused this. There would be none of these strikes

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Speaker 3: So even if it had happened, the idea that somehow

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Speaker 3: Israel is awful for responding in defense of itself and

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Speaker 2: So let's start there.

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Speaker 3: But getting all of this wrong and accepting as truth

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Speaker 3: what is clear propaganda is so indefensible by our media.

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Speaker 2: Buck and say, okay, what were the consequences?

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Speaker 3: Our United States embassies were and still are under siege

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Speaker 3: because of this propaganda. The United States is now being

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Speaker 3: attacked for standing with Israel, and there are very real

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Speaker 3: consequences to this. Rashida to lead book tweet it out

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Speaker 3: and it is still up. I will read it for

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Speaker 3: you now. Thankfully we have community notes, which is useful

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Speaker 3: in context such as these to call out the lies

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Speaker 2: But Rashida Talib still has her tweet. I got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Israel just bombed the Baptist hospital, killing five hundred Palestinians.

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Speaker 1: Doctors children's patients, just like that at potis so putting

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Speaker 1: this on Biden's radar, well, Biden's handler's radar. This is

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Speaker 1: what happens when you refuse to facilitate a ceasefire and

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Speaker 1: help de escalate your war and destruction. Only approach. Only

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Speaker 1: approach has opened my eyes and many Palestinian Americans and

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Speaker 1: Muslim Americans like me. We will remember where you stood

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Speaker 1: end quote. We certainly will remember where Rashida to Leave

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Speaker 1: stood on all this. And the thing is, none of

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Speaker 1: this is surprising for anyone who's familiar with her record

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Speaker 1: and the way that you know she has conducted herself

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Speaker 1: on all issues relating to Israel for a long time.

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Speaker 1: But the truthier Clay, is that there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that you saw who wanted to believe not

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Speaker 1: only that this was Israel's fault, but that Israel would

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Speaker 1: intentionally do correct And that was the the initial way

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Speaker 1: this was framed was that Israel, before this ground of

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Speaker 1: Asian starts, decided We're just going to bomb a hospital.

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Speaker 1: And it's completely you know, it lacks all credibility when

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Speaker 1: fact that they were taking the word of effectively Hamas

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Speaker 1: I mean, we wouldn't take Isis's word when we were

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Speaker 1: they didn't do this suicide bombing, like you know, this

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Speaker 1: this these deep seated sensitivities and sense of emotional connection

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Speaker 1: as Alka, as these other entities. It is not a

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Speaker 1: have been fighting for decades and treat with, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the you know, treat them as the serious threats

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Speaker 3: Every news media outlet should be immediately skeptical of any

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Speaker 3: story in which being a victim is beneficial to the

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Speaker 3: narrative of the entity that is claiming to be a victim,

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Speaker 3: whether it is just small at Oh, those MAGA guys

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Speaker 3: I didn't know who Justse small Att was back in

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Speaker 3: I don't know who Justse small At is, what are

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Speaker 3: on a sub zero day in Chicago, guys in maga

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Speaker 1: Well, this is why a story that should immediately be

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Speaker 1: treated as lacking in credibility or where there should at

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Speaker 1: least be extreme skepticism. Yes, when people skip the skepticism

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Speaker 1: want to believe this absurd story, which is what happened

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Speaker 1: here in the case of this, look, Israel has made

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Speaker 1: mistakes in the past, and Israeli government has owned up

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Speaker 1: to those mistakes. Right now, you are fighting a war.

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Speaker 1: There are things that happen, and you were alluding to

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Speaker 1: this before, that are tragic and are unfortunate, but they're

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Speaker 1: certainly not intentional. Happens with US forces, happens with our allies,

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Speaker 1: but people all over the world who are pro Palestinian,

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Speaker 2: Moral equivalents.

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Speaker 3: They want for Israel to be as bad as Hamas

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Speaker 1: They want to pretend that these are two entities that

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Speaker 1: this moment that we're in whatever Hamas just committed a

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Speaker 3: Is it fourteen hundred now of its roughly and two

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Speaker 3: that are effectively saying, now, let's call for an end

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Speaker 3: to conflict in response to what Hamas just did. Israel

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Speaker 2: We're going to look.

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Speaker 1: The US is over there to try to help negotiate

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Speaker 1: to get the hostages freed. I'm never opposed to diplomacy,

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Speaker 1: but this idea that there's a way that Israel can

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Speaker 2: This to me is absurd.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a serious and continuing threat to the

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Speaker 1: basic safety, sovereignty, security of the Israeli people, and specifically

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Speaker 1: of the Jewish people inside of Israel, who are the

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Speaker 1: targets of this Hamas attack. So of course they are

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Speaker 1: going to do things in response to stop the threat.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the same thing if you're in a

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Speaker 1: self defense situation. They don't say shoot to kill, they

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Speaker 1: don't say shoot to what. They say you shoot to

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Speaker 1: stop the threat. Israel must stop the threat now, and

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Speaker 1: there is no negotiation, There is no conversation that would

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Speaker 1: reach the level of limiting this threat to the degree

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Speaker 1: that Israel does not need to take this military action.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see it. And I think that we

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of people yesterday showing you who in

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Speaker 1: this conflict, what's really in their heart? What do they

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Speaker 1: really think here, because instead of saying, hold on a second,

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Speaker 1: let's wait for all the facts to come in, this

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem right. It didn't seem right. Yeah, we knew

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Speaker 1: it were on the show. The whole Hamas is saying

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Speaker 1: this granted, is solved. Hold on a minute, let's hold

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Speaker 3: The people who get into a greater truth and the

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Speaker 3: big issue here again, I just cited three newspapers, and

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Speaker 3: I still am an old man. I go by the

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Speaker 1: As you know, we're talking here a lot today about

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Speaker 5: so you can't not see the role that Iran has

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I think it's unlikely, uh, and this is this is

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Speaker 1: one of the very big questions right now that Iran

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Speaker 1: will become a direct and active combatant in what's going

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Speaker 1: on here.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna speak a lot about what they'll do.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna saber rattle, They're going to make it seem

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Speaker 1: as though they'll I'll take immediate, you know, immediate action

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Speaker 1: in response to what Israel does in Gaza. But that's

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Speaker 1: the scenario that people, I think get very concerned about.

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Speaker 1: If you did have an Iranian intervention on this against

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Speaker 1: Israel here on the side of Hamas and in the

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Speaker 1: form of not just Hezbollah, but you know, Iranian militia

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Speaker 1: and Syria, and there's a whole range of things I

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Speaker 1: think they could do to ratchet things up. But now

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Speaker 1: you're talking about what happens to global energy supplies and

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Speaker 1: what happens to you know, could you be seeing a

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Speaker 1: global recession? I mean, the domino effect here would be

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Speaker 1: very real. I do not believe right now, based on

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Speaker 1: what I'm seeing, Iran will do anything to set that

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Speaker 1: in motion. But Clay, we're dealing with people that see

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Speaker 1: things very differently from how it looks over here in

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Speaker 1: this part of the world.

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Speaker 3: And this is why the media propagating lies is so dangerous,

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Speaker 3: not only for all of the American citizens in the

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Speaker 3: embassies that have been surrounded all over the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: But this is the goal I think of Hamas. They

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Speaker 3: don't want to be the sole target of Israel. They

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Speaker 3: want has Bullet to come in, they want Iran to

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Speaker 3: come in. They want to turn this into a religious

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Speaker 3: war in the Middle East, and they want all of

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Speaker 3: the Muslim faith to rise up against Israel. And so

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Speaker 3: when our media is spreading clear lies, they are facilitating

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Speaker 3: potentially a catastrophe conflict that could arise in the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: So you would think of all the times to make

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Speaker 3: sure that your reporting is accurate. We're not talking about

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Speaker 3: a relatively inconsequential issue. We're talking about buck the single

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Speaker 3: most consequential thing that maybe occurring in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: And let me, by the way, I also mentioned I'm

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Speaker 3: not as crazy as producer Ali thought. We had Benjamin

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Speaker 3: Netanyahu on this show on December twelfth of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: so ten months ago, but it wasn't that long ago,

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Speaker 3: and he was eloquent on this show then. And I

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Speaker 3: think as you look at everything that's going on right now,

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Speaker 3: my concern is Joe Biden in the Middle East cannot

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Speaker 3: advocate as well as an American president should be able

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Speaker 3: to advocate for the moral clarity of this situation. And

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Speaker 3: even scarier, I don't think he can respond in real

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Speaker 3: time to a rapidly evolving situation. And I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's a coincidence that Hamas put out this Hamas Sesh

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Speaker 3: Palestine put out this false news, this lie about five

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Speaker 3: hundred people dying because of an Israeli airstrike on a

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Speaker 3: They put that out while Joe Biden was in the

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Speaker 3: air flying to Israel, and it almost immediately destroyed Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden's ability to have face to face meetings with any leaders.

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Speaker 3: Now you can say, well, what would that have actually accomplished.

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Speaker 3: At a minimum, it would have shown that the entire

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Speaker 3: Middle East was not a lying against Israel. It seems

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Speaker 3: to me that there is a clear strategic imperative of

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Speaker 3: Hamas to try to create a massive war of religion.

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Speaker 3: And I'm afraid that our media on the left, which

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Speaker 3: isn't willing to condemn evil. This is why saying Hamas

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Speaker 3: is the bad guy, Israel is the good guy, is

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Speaker 3: an important moment of moral clarity that much of the

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Speaker 3: American media refuses to acknowledge and share. People who believed

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Speaker 3: that story and shared it very broadly yesterday, believed that

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Speaker 3: it was Israel's fault. Wanted to be correct that it

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Speaker 3: was Israel's fault. That's really what you saw, and that's

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Speaker 3: why somehow it all aligned people that think that Israel

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Speaker 3: is the more moral actor in all this, which I

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Speaker 3: think should be obvious and quite clear, or say, hold

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Speaker 3: on a second, this doesn't add up. We need to

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Speaker 1: People that despise the state of Israel, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of this is driven by anti Semitism, they saw an

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Speaker 1: opportunity for confirmation bias, essentially in their own minds that

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Speaker 1: Israel is just as bad as Hamas and in fact

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Speaker 1: all of Hamas's bad actions. This always must be remembered.

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Speaker 1: The people that are the most fervent defenders of Hamas

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Speaker 1: and the Palestinian cause blamed Israel for everything that Hamas does.

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Speaker 1: If Hamas is deploying suicide bombers, it's Israel's fault. If

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Speaker 1: Hamas is engaging in a mass casualty terror attack like

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Speaker 1: what we just saw, it's in response to Israeli transgressions

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Speaker 1: and a part time. Everything is Israel's fault in their minds.

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Speaker 1: It's really like a sickness, like a mania. It totally is.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, we'll open up phone lines eight

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Speaker 3: back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 3: you hanging out with us. We talked earlier about the

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Speaker 3: about the danger of relying on Joe Biden on any level.

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Speaker 3: Right now, I do think the message is important. I

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Speaker 3: question whether anyone fears Biden in terms of the way

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Speaker 3: that he's going to respond, Buck, But he tried to

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Speaker 3: be as clear as he possibly could. If you listen

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Speaker 3: to cut three. Here, he's trying to address anyone out

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Speaker 3: there who might be inclined to try to make this

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Speaker 3: a bigger battle than we already have. He says, my message,

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Speaker 3: you better not here. It is cut three.

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Speaker 6: We moved US military assets for the reason, including positioning

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Speaker 6: the USS Forward Carriers Trade Group in the Eastern Mediterranean

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Speaker 6: with the USS size an hour on the way to

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Speaker 6: deter to defer further aggression against Israel and to prevent

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Speaker 6: this conflict from spending the world will know that is

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Speaker 6: is real stronger than ever have I message to any

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Speaker 6: state or any other high hostile actor thinking about attacking

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Speaker 6: his or remains the same as it was a week ago.

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Speaker 6: Don't don't, don't.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Buck.

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Speaker 3: So here's the problem in the wake of Afghanistan where

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Speaker 3: our withdrawal. If you look at the public Joe Biden's

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Speaker 3: approval ratings effectively collapsed at Afghanistan and have not recovered

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Speaker 3: ever since. When you look at what's going on in Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: when you look at what's going on in Israel, does

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Speaker 3: anyone actually fear Biden or believe that he is going

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Speaker 3: to have the wherewithal to deliver the full might of

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Speaker 3: American power if someone transgresses the threats and the warnings

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Speaker 3: that he's trying to make.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they fear the two carrier groups

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Speaker 1: that we have there. Yeah, And I think that on

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Speaker 1: the issue of Israel, there's enough bipartisan consensus where, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the leadership on both sides, Republican and Democrat, where

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Speaker 1: there would be reprisals. You know, if Iran, say, or

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Speaker 1: to just decide it was going to fire its own

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Speaker 1: missiles at Israel, say something like that, I mean, a

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Speaker 1: real dramatic escalation, which God forbid this happens, because it

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Speaker 1: would have a lot of downstream ramifications that we've talked

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Speaker 1: about earlier in the hour, you know, energy markets, recession, broadening,

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Speaker 1: war casualties, everything. But I do think that this is

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Speaker 1: one of those times where even the even the Democrats

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Speaker 1: would actually respond. I mean, let's remember it's Democrats who

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Speaker 1: pushed for the overthrow of Kadaffi in Libya, right, it

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration escalated to over one hundred thousand troops

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Speaker 1: use the military, generally not in America's direct interests. Usually

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Speaker 1: it's in some humanitarian or un or some under some

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Speaker 1: other you know, agis. But right now I think that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're not scared of Joe Biden. But I do think

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Speaker 1: that there's a recognition clay that if they were to

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden those around him would respond. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that it would go because how does that play for

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Speaker 1: them going forward? And what does that look like in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election. Joe Biden abandons our ally

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Speaker 1: Israel and it's a moment of need that's I don't

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Speaker 1: think he would abandon. My concern is, and let's get

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Speaker 1: a call here in just second. My concern is that

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Speaker 1: there is no fear of Biden, and so there could

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Speaker 1: be and I think we've already seen it with Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: And with Hamas, they have been more willing to transgress

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Speaker 1: American lines of demarcation than they would have been with Trump.

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Speaker 1: And we'll take some of your calls when come back

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Speaker 1: in the next hour, because we're coming up against it

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Speaker 1: at the end of the first hour, and that all

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Speaker 1: of these pile ups together. I think what Biden is

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Speaker 1: saying is the right message. My concern is how is

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Speaker 1: that message being received in Iran? And to your point,

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Speaker 1: they've moved a couple of American carrier groups in So America.

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Speaker 1: We're inching closer to having actual combat in Israel in

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Speaker 1: a way that we haven't in Ukraine. But do they

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Speaker 1: fear Biden when he makes these declarations.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they care really what Biden's declaration is are.

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Speaker 1: I think they're making their own calculations, whether it's Heimas

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Speaker 1: or Iran, based upon what they think the Israeli response

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Speaker 1: would be and what the almost automatic US response would

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Speaker 1: be were there to be a major escalation, which clearly

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Speaker 1: the carrier groups are there because it would be air strikes.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, what I'd rather have Trump call the shots

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Speaker 1: now than I absolutely