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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Sunday, January eleventh, and a

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Speaker 1: director and Emmy Award winning actor is facing charges of

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Speaker 1: child sex abuse, accused by two child actors who once

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Speaker 1: worked for him. And with that, welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Roves. This is one of those

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Speaker 1: Casesn't fair to say the actor here is a name

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Speaker 1: that's not immediately familiar, but you see the face and

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Speaker 1: you go, oh.

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Speaker 2: Him, Yes, exactly one of those cases. Yes, his name

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Speaker 2: is Timothy Bussfield. That would not have rung any bells

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Speaker 2: for me. For a lot of you, it may have,

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Speaker 2: but when you see his face, you'll say, oh, that guy,

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Speaker 2: that guy who starred in thirty something, that guy who

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Speaker 2: starred in West Wing, that guy who won won an

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Speaker 2: Emmy and has seven hundred and fifty professional credits to

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Speaker 2: his name.

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Speaker 1: And also you had to remind me also who he's

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Speaker 1: married to. Yes, that I didn't register me at all.

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Speaker 2: I had forgotten that this had happened. It seemed like

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Speaker 2: a very happy third marriage for both of them, and

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Speaker 2: maybe it still is. But he is married to Melissa

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Speaker 2: Gilbert aka Laura Ingalls from Little House on the Prairie.

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Speaker 2: She is and was probably one of my childhood just obsessions.

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Speaker 2: I love Melissa Gilbert. She was on GMA three with us,

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Speaker 2: a lovely woman and actually has recently spoken out against

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Speaker 2: child sexual abusers. So this is a very disturbing story.

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Speaker 1: Now, is it fair to say that, even if you

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Speaker 1: didn't know his name, when you hear her name, did

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Speaker 1: you know immediately who she was married to?

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily, No, because this is a third marriage for both.

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Speaker 2: So this is something. This is love they found later

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Speaker 2: in life. They've been together I believe for about ten

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Speaker 2: years now, and I went back and there were a

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Speaker 2: lot of articles at actually in the last few years

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Speaker 2: of their love story how they found love again, how

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Speaker 2: third times a charmed So no, I didn't necessarily connect

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Speaker 1: Together, all right, So Timothy Bussfield is the name, and

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Speaker 1: we assure you you will know his face. He has

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Speaker 1: been around for decades in this business now, A lot

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Speaker 1: of like you said, thirty something that was the nineties,

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Speaker 1: was it not that that show was out and he

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Speaker 1: had multiple I think Emmy nominations for that, but actually

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Speaker 1: did win an Emmy for that show. Of course, he

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Speaker 1: was on West Wing, a hit show as well. He

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Speaker 1: played a very very prominent character. He was a reporter

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Speaker 1: for the Washington Post. I was just very much into

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Speaker 1: that and remember his romance with Alison Jenny Jenny, yes,

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Speaker 1: character on that show. So a lot of people will

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Speaker 1: remember that. But he has been also very involved in

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Speaker 1: producing and directing over the past several years as well.

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Speaker 1: And it is in that capacity as a director that

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Speaker 1: he was working on a show called The Cleaning Lady.

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Speaker 1: Now a lot of people might remember because it was

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Speaker 1: a It did have at least four seasons, I think,

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Speaker 1: LOADI Young I believe is her name, the one who

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Speaker 1: was the lead on that. You've seen her around enough

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Speaker 1: and enough high profile things. But he was director on

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Speaker 1: age of seven and eight. They were brothers. That is

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Speaker 1: And now Tim bussfil has been charged with two counts

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Speaker 1: of criminal sexual contact with a minor. And this is

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Speaker 1: coming out of an arrestaurant in Albuquerque. Now we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into some more details, but Robes I thought

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Speaker 1: officer who was investigating. He goes through the affidavit, goes

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Speaker 1: But then at the bottom he gives his conclusion. And

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Speaker 1: Robes and I thought this was a good way to

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Speaker 2: Yes, as we were researching the story, you said, Babe,

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Speaker 2: if you read anything, read the conclusion to the affidavit,

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Speaker 2: how it reads. In my training and experience, pedophiles often

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Speaker 2: infiltrate families under a trusted role, like Timothy, who, as

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Speaker 2: it as play. He would invite the family to offset gatherings,

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Speaker 2: This dual tactic, charming parents while secretly violating the child,

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Speaker 1: It is his conclusion again, this is an investigator, and

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Speaker 1: after all he put together and all he investigated in

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Speaker 1: I read through the affidavit before getting to that conclusion,

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Speaker 2: He makes no bones about it, and he talks about

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Speaker 2: the strategy, the premeditation, and the function which he chose

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Speaker 2: And that's what the boys and the boys the way

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Speaker 2: It was a classic situation where they first just kind

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Speaker 2: of talked about how he tickled them, right, So he

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Speaker 2: having private moments with them, perhaps to direct them. But

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Speaker 2: when the parents found out correct that he had reports

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Speaker 2: asked him, have you, as anybody ever touched you inappropriately?

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Speaker 2: And their response was pretty chilling, You mean, like uncle Tim.

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, correct in November, and police made

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Speaker 2: They didn't pursue further investigation. They didn't pursue what he

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Speaker 1: Again, what the what it's supposed to happen at least

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Speaker 1: the teacher that is assigned to be on set admitted

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Speaker 1: the kids could have alone moments with someone else, And

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Speaker 1: suggesting that there were times, there were moments, there were opportunities,

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Speaker 1: suggests that this was a practice that was done away

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Speaker 1: but it was relevant enough that the officer thought he

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Speaker 1: Bussville was spoken to. They did talk to him as

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Speaker 1: well as a part of this. And Roves, I don't

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Speaker 1: he talked to them on the phone. But then some

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Speaker 1: particularly and specifically, I should say, are in the affidavit.

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Speaker 2: The quotes are actually quite alarming, would you not agree?

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Speaker 2: I mean, when I read them, it was actually shocking

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Speaker 2: to me what he said and how he said it.

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Speaker 1: Again, we're trying to piece something together, and you when

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Speaker 2: Oh hell no, I never turned the table.

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Speaker 1: Over screaming and yelling, who the hell said this, Let's

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't exactly what he said, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, So they asked Timothy what the protocol was for

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Speaker 2: And here's what Timothy told police. Initially, It's not allowed

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Speaker 2: I'm always around people, right, it would be it would be,

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Speaker 2: be giggling and that would sort of get him ready

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't actually, I don't remember it. If

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Speaker 2: but it wouldn't be uncommon for me. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to piece it together. Is this the phone

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Speaker 1: call where he was his wife was on as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I believe that was all happening.

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Speaker 1: They described the officer at least of saying that Timothy

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Speaker 1: Busfelt was on speakerphone with his wife's say your name

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Speaker 1: it Melissa, Melissa gil Gilbert was on the phone at

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Speaker 1: the time, and that was the answer that he gave it.

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Speaker 1: It's confusing, it's you don't want I don't know how

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Speaker 1: how it could have been misinterpreted by someone else. But

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Speaker 1: to your point earlier ropes, this wasn't a thing where

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Speaker 1: one incident was misinterpreter or two people saw one incident

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Speaker 1: and it was you know, this was the boys were asked.

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Speaker 1: This came from therapists, This came from other people on

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Speaker 1: set seeing things over time as well with the parents.

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Speaker 1: So this wasn't a one off so that they said

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Speaker 1: it happened multiple times. All the boys were seven and

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Speaker 1: eight years old on set multiple times, and there was

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Speaker 1: also a situation in there they'd described in the Affidavid,

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Speaker 1: I think it was the teacher or someone on set

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Speaker 1: that followed one of the boys that was a sign

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Speaker 1: to him said something happened. He went from being thrilled

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Speaker 1: She's described it as a stark and disturbing change that

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Speaker 1: was inexplicable.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we mentioned Ellidi Young is the woman's

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Speaker 2: always listening to us. Thank you so much. I'm Amy

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Speaker 2: Roeboch alongside T. J. Holmes. People talk to you