1
00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:07,920
Speaker 1: San Francisco, the s Y s K treet Yes, San Francisco, Oakland,

2
00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,200
Speaker 1: the entire Bay area and dare I say, all of

3
00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,600
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley. Yeah, we love you. And we're coming back

4
00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,439
Speaker 1: to Sketch Fest this year in January. Yeah, we're gonna

5
00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,000
Speaker 1: be there on Sunday, January at one pm, a very

6
00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,520
Speaker 1: rare afternoon show. Uh, and we will be ready to go.

7
00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,000
Speaker 1: So you guys better be drunk from the night before

8
00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,280
Speaker 1: or getting drunk for that evening. Yeah, however it crosses over,

9
00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,680
Speaker 1: I think it'll be proof positive that uh we endorse

10
00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,560
Speaker 1: afternoon drinking. You know, yeah, you know, a couple of drinks,

11
00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,920
Speaker 1: maybe it'd be bloody Mary. What were we talking about.

12
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're promoting our show. Oh that's right. So

13
00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,360
Speaker 1: we're doing that show on January. Uh. You can go

14
00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,080
Speaker 1: to the s F Sketch Fest website to get tickets

15
00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,800
Speaker 1: and it's awesome. It's a great, great comedy festival. Lots

16
00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,960
Speaker 1: of awesome shows that weekend and for the following weeks.

17
00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,480
Speaker 1: So I I encourage you, like to buy lots of

18
00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,319
Speaker 1: tickets just by ours first. Yeah, and hurry, hurry, because

19
00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,759
Speaker 1: they're selling out fast, no joke. That's not a ploy.

20
00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,440
Speaker 1: That's not as a marketing ploy. They're really selling fast.

21
00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,199
Speaker 1: We get emails every time. Guys, you told me to hurry,

22
00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,240
Speaker 1: I didn't hurry. I'm shut out. And since this promos

23
00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,960
Speaker 1: petered out, it ends right now. Welcome to stuff you

24
00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:31,880
Speaker 1: should know. It's from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey,

25
00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,280
Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's

26
00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,760
Speaker 1: Charles w Chuck Bryant. Jerry's over there, their foot on

27
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,920
Speaker 1: the button, and that means this is stuff you should

28
00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,840
Speaker 1: know the podcast. The foot on the button, just waiting

29
00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,840
Speaker 1: to cut us off. Yeah, that's what no one knows.

30
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,400
Speaker 1: But Jerry has a kill switch at her foot for

31
00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,000
Speaker 1: all of our profane tirades. Yeah, it would kill us

32
00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,960
Speaker 1: if she ever pressed it. That's right, that's why they

33
00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,600
Speaker 1: call it that. But she's not very good at it.

34
00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,040
Speaker 1: I've noticed I've noticed some stuff slips by. Yeah. I

35
00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,280
Speaker 1: told her she's like Keith Richards of podcast producers because

36
00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,280
Speaker 1: he can't use guitar pedals. So he's known for that.

37
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,200
Speaker 1: Is that a thing? Well, I mean, I don't know

38
00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,000
Speaker 1: how known he is, maybe among guitar players, but he uh,

39
00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,920
Speaker 1: he just plugs right into the amp that's pretty great. Oh,

40
00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,480
Speaker 1: I see and his he was on Mark Maron's podcast.

41
00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,200
Speaker 1: It was a great interview in maren he you know it.

42
00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,840
Speaker 1: It's pure Keith Richards and he was just basically like,

43
00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, I have a hard time standing upright, like

44
00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,560
Speaker 1: I can't mess with trying to breast foot pedals. That's

45
00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,480
Speaker 1: Keith Man. Yep. Very pure. Yeah, and by pure, I

46
00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:49,840
Speaker 1: mean pure heroine, pure China. He's clean now, But is

47
00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,839
Speaker 1: he really? That's astounding Well, I mean no, I mean

48
00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't do like hard drugs anymore. I got you.

49
00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,760
Speaker 1: I think he drinks and smokes weed. I got you. Yeah,

50
00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,400
Speaker 1: it's like Christine. Actually, Maron smoked his first cigarette in

51
00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,799
Speaker 1: a decade in that show with him. Oh that was smart.

52
00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,680
Speaker 1: That's a good decision. He was like, I have to

53
00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,359
Speaker 1: how can I not? Yeah, he easily could not have

54
00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,519
Speaker 1: done that. I'm disappointed. Did he really? Yeah? Keith Richard

55
00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,960
Speaker 1: offered him a smoke and he's like, sure, yeah, I

56
00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,720
Speaker 1: mean I see that. But at the same time I

57
00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:30,079
Speaker 1: was assos to not smoking. I know, I'm being judge.

58
00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:40,200
Speaker 1: Wagon your finger, So, Chuck, have you ever used energy? Yes? Well,

59
00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, when you're using energy, most likely you're using

60
00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,080
Speaker 1: something like a fossil fuel, right, yeah, right, like gasoline

61
00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,680
Speaker 1: or natural gas or something like that stuff that comes

62
00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:57,080
Speaker 1: from decomposing dinosaurs. Okay. The problem with using decomposing dinosaurs

63
00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,080
Speaker 1: is most people know is that it's essentially an on

64
00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,480
Speaker 1: renewable resource. There's no more dinosaurs to decomposed any longer,

65
00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,520
Speaker 1: and even if there were, it would take tens of

66
00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,040
Speaker 1: millions of years for them to decompose into fossil fuels

67
00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,600
Speaker 1: for us, right right, even if we could, even if

68
00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,640
Speaker 1: we had dino d n A and we could make

69
00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,880
Speaker 1: new dinosaurs just to kill them and watch them decompose,

70
00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,960
Speaker 1: which is something we would do if we had the capability,

71
00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,560
Speaker 1: I guarantee you, right, Um, but we don't have that

72
00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,920
Speaker 1: capability as far as I know, Like, no one's working

73
00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,880
Speaker 1: on that track right now. I don't think just uh,

74
00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:41,080
Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg, right, maybe someone at Rutger's. So, um, we

75
00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,080
Speaker 1: we have to come up with energy sources that we

76
00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,719
Speaker 1: won't eventually run out of. And obviously there's like wind

77
00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,520
Speaker 1: and solar and as far as solar power goes, from

78
00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,040
Speaker 1: what I understand, we're actually doing pretty well right now.

79
00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,960
Speaker 1: Like right now, we use something like point zero one

80
00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,200
Speaker 1: percent of the sunlight that reaches Earth to to power

81
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,760
Speaker 1: our our world, So there's a lot of room for

82
00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,919
Speaker 1: growth potential. The thing is is I also saw that

83
00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,360
Speaker 1: if we keep growing in our energy consumption, keeps growing

84
00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,599
Speaker 1: UH at something like one percent a year, within a

85
00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 1: thousand years will be using more than the entire amount

86
00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,120
Speaker 1: of sunlight that hits the Earth UM can provide. So

87
00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,240
Speaker 1: we really need to come up with something else. The

88
00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,719
Speaker 1: problem is is even if we harnessed all of the

89
00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,240
Speaker 1: energy here on Earth, we would very quickly outgrow whatever

90
00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,480
Speaker 1: energy it provided. So some people have said, well, why

91
00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,080
Speaker 1: don't we just go straight to the source. If the

92
00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640
Speaker 1: Sun is such a great source of energy, but it's

93
00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,239
Speaker 1: shooting that energy out in directions other than the Earth, um,

94
00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,200
Speaker 1: the stuff that is starting towards the Earth doesn't make

95
00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,039
Speaker 1: it very frequently. Let's just go to the sun and

96
00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,839
Speaker 1: and basically strangle the life out of it to get

97
00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:01,200
Speaker 1: energy from it. Right, And one of the first proposals

98
00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,359
Speaker 1: of it, I don't want to say serious proposal, because

99
00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,040
Speaker 1: although it's been taken seriously over the years and almost

100
00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,279
Speaker 1: been interpreted like scripture um, it was a thought experiment

101
00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:18,960
Speaker 1: to begin with. It's something called the Dyson spear. Yes. Um, well,

102
00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000
Speaker 1: I guess we should introduce the man, not that we

103
00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,440
Speaker 1: have him here, that'd be awesome. He's he's still around. Yeah,

104
00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,679
Speaker 1: I know he's an old dude. But we're talking about

105
00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,120
Speaker 1: Freeman Dyson, not to the maker of the vacuum cleaner

106
00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:39,840
Speaker 1: or the bladeless fan or the bladeless hair dryer. Is

107
00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,880
Speaker 1: that really a thing? They have a dyce in hair dryer,

108
00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,440
Speaker 1: you know what that. I was so disappointed when I

109
00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,840
Speaker 1: found out what the bladeless fan was. Why have you

110
00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,159
Speaker 1: seen those? Yeah, you can stick your hand through it.

111
00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,120
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Well I know, and I was like it

112
00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,920
Speaker 1: is it magic? Like how in the world isn't doing this?

113
00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,880
Speaker 1: But it's got a stupid blade. It is just housed

114
00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,960
Speaker 1: in a in a casing. Yeah, so that's a terrible

115
00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,720
Speaker 1: name for it, and then it just channels it up

116
00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,560
Speaker 1: and you know, squirts it out the front that they're

117
00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,840
Speaker 1: The Dyson invention that always got me was the air

118
00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,720
Speaker 1: blade hand dryer. I think we've talked about this before,

119
00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,160
Speaker 1: where you stick your hand down in there. Yeah, but

120
00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,640
Speaker 1: they're so filled with germs that actually I was in

121
00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,440
Speaker 1: a bathroom the other day and they have an air

122
00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,400
Speaker 1: blade now that just blows downward onto your hands and

123
00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,960
Speaker 1: it's actually I'm like, okay, now I'm satisfied with this invention. Well,

124
00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,680
Speaker 1: you know you're not supposed to rub your hand on

125
00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,120
Speaker 1: the air blade itself. No, but it's so close. It's

126
00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,280
Speaker 1: like you're playing operation like I'm trying to remove a

127
00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,800
Speaker 1: funny bone or something like that. It's almost impossible not

128
00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,920
Speaker 1: to hit the sides of the thing. You know, your

129
00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,160
Speaker 1: big meat hooks are just rubbing all over every blade. Yeah,

130
00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,360
Speaker 1: it is gross, believe me, because I walk out is

131
00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,760
Speaker 1: crying with my hands held in the air every time

132
00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,640
Speaker 1: I go to the bathroom. Well, you and I have

133
00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,480
Speaker 1: a very big thing about airport bathrooms. Um, and I

134
00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,760
Speaker 1: think I had the worst one of my life at

135
00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,280
Speaker 1: a Boston Logan on our last tour. Oh yeah, what happened.

136
00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,720
Speaker 1: It was just not up to snuff. Like the first

137
00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,520
Speaker 1: of all, the door and this might have been just

138
00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,160
Speaker 1: this one bathroom, but the doors to the stalls none

139
00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,640
Speaker 1: of them secured. They've been ripped clean off. Well they

140
00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,880
Speaker 1: were there, but you couldn't you know, the locks didn't work.

141
00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,080
Speaker 1: It was just basically had to push my hand against it,

142
00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,880
Speaker 1: which grossed me out. Yeah, that's not okay. And then

143
00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,320
Speaker 1: the gap when the door was shut was like two

144
00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,680
Speaker 1: or three inches big, like you could fully just look

145
00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,760
Speaker 1: in and say, how you doing, how's your poop? Yeah,

146
00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,079
Speaker 1: that's the Mr. Peeper's model. It's just not acceptible, you know,

147
00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,040
Speaker 1: in this day and age, to not have complete privacy

148
00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,760
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, I agree with you. I again,

149
00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reiterate. I think there should be one stall

150
00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,959
Speaker 1: for an entire bathroom so that no one could possibly

151
00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,960
Speaker 1: sit down next to you. But barring that, the all exactly.

152
00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,360
Speaker 1: But barring that, though, like the place like we have

153
00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,640
Speaker 1: in our office is acceptable. It's a good second. There's

154
00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,200
Speaker 1: like a complete wall in between you. There's a complete

155
00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,560
Speaker 1: wall in front of you and a door that's securely shut.

156
00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,680
Speaker 1: It's a water closet. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess

157
00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,520
Speaker 1: I guess it is O man, I knew we were

158
00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,880
Speaker 1: going to get distracted by poop. Yeah. This isn't even

159
00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,000
Speaker 1: the porta pot I know. All right, So sorry. Back

160
00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,760
Speaker 1: to Freeman Dyson, uh not the vacuum maker. He was

161
00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,160
Speaker 1: born in England. He worked most of his career. He's

162
00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,920
Speaker 1: retired now, but worked most of his career as a

163
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,319
Speaker 1: physics professor at the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton University,

164
00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:47,400
Speaker 1: not Rutgers. Uh. He was a civilian scientist with the

165
00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,680
Speaker 1: r EF in World War Two. I went to Cambridge,

166
00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,040
Speaker 1: then Cornell for grad school. This guy's got some bona fides. Uh.

167
00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,040
Speaker 1: And then he's been in news recently by being a

168
00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,240
Speaker 1: big I mean, brilliant, brilliant man. But he's been in

169
00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,920
Speaker 1: the news recently by being one of the more prominent

170
00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:10,400
Speaker 1: scientists that on as a climate change skeptic. Oh is

171
00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,760
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah, and not like a complete skeptic, Like

172
00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,960
Speaker 1: he does believe that it's I believe where what his

173
00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,240
Speaker 1: stance is that he does believe that it's man made,

174
00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,720
Speaker 1: but he doesn't think we have enough detail about all

175
00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,800
Speaker 1: the variables for these computer generated models to be accurate.

176
00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,040
Speaker 1: So he's he's basically saying like, this is not the

177
00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,000
Speaker 1: end of the world, and in fact, he thinks that

178
00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,720
Speaker 1: increasing levels of CEO two can be a good thing

179
00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,520
Speaker 1: for humanity. Ultimately, I don't know, I didn't get that far.

180
00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,000
Speaker 1: He's like, it gets it gives you a pretty good buzz. Maybe,

181
00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's pretty interesting though he's like I think,

182
00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,640
Speaker 1: starting about you know, six to ten years ago, really

183
00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,240
Speaker 1: started making the news with his somewhat controversial because he's

184
00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,440
Speaker 1: a brilliant man, and all these other scientists are like, wow,

185
00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,199
Speaker 1: he's such a smart guy, but he's so wrong on this.

186
00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,200
Speaker 1: But then other people are like, no, he's totally right.

187
00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,920
Speaker 1: That's pretty interesting anyway. Um, so that's who he is.

188
00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,720
Speaker 1: And he in nineteen thirty seven, well not n seven.

189
00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,360
Speaker 1: He in the nineteen sixties was reading a book from

190
00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,800
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven called Starmaker from uh, science fiction author

191
00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,440
Speaker 1: Olaf Stapledon, and uh, he saw this thing called a

192
00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,559
Speaker 1: light trap from this book. Uh. And this book also

193
00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,800
Speaker 1: had predicted things like virtual reality, and it's kind of

194
00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:35,480
Speaker 1: a pretty much a landmark sci fi science book. And um,

195
00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,720
Speaker 1: he said, hey, this light trap sounds like a good idea.

196
00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to rip it off. Yeah he did. And

197
00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,400
Speaker 1: he actually it was I think a paper that was

198
00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,480
Speaker 1: published in Science and in journal Science in nineteen sixty

199
00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,520
Speaker 1: and it's really short. Did you read it? Yeah? Yeah,

200
00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,160
Speaker 1: it's like I think it took up two pages in Science, Um,

201
00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,440
Speaker 1: out of like a thousand or something like that in

202
00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,480
Speaker 1: that volume. But um, he basically said this would be

203
00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,560
Speaker 1: a great thing, as you say to rip Off, for

204
00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,440
Speaker 1: a thought experiment I'm working on right, Because just very

205
00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,720
Speaker 1: recently something called Project OSMA had been created, and that

206
00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,880
Speaker 1: was they started to search the sky for extraterrestrial intelligence.

207
00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,400
Speaker 1: It was the first city, UM, and they were looking

208
00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,839
Speaker 1: for radio signals still are. But Dyson was saying, well,

209
00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,800
Speaker 1: hold on a second, if you're gonna start looking for

210
00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,600
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial beings like signs of intelligent civilizations, you should maybe

211
00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,840
Speaker 1: start looking for these and and they came to be

212
00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,200
Speaker 1: called Dyson's fears because he was the first one to

213
00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,920
Speaker 1: popularize it, even though he got the idea from old Off. Yeah,

214
00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,120
Speaker 1: he actually said, um, he thought a stapleed in sphere

215
00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,839
Speaker 1: was a better name, but I guess not good enough

216
00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,559
Speaker 1: to actually use it, right, right, Yeah, he said it once,

217
00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,720
Speaker 1: very quietly. Yeah. But so this Dyson he it was

218
00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,600
Speaker 1: originally created as a again, a thought experiment. He wasn't

219
00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,319
Speaker 1: he didn't talk about how to construct it necessarily or

220
00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:04,080
Speaker 1: anything like that, although were some follow up correspondence UM

221
00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,679
Speaker 1: after the letter first came out, But almost immediately people

222
00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,720
Speaker 1: started thinking about how you would create one of these things.

223
00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,800
Speaker 1: This this dicensphere, and the who the whole point we

224
00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,880
Speaker 1: should say, basically, at its at its basis, a diycen

225
00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:26,199
Speaker 1: sphere is um an engineering project, a megastructure that initially

226
00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,360
Speaker 1: was thought to be basically a hollow sphere that you

227
00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,679
Speaker 1: built around a star, for example, we would build it

228
00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,880
Speaker 1: around our sun. And the whole point of this thing

229
00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,840
Speaker 1: is on the inside of this sphere are solar arrays,

230
00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,920
Speaker 1: so that all of that sunlight, like we were talking

231
00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,400
Speaker 1: about earlier, that gets wasted as far as we're concerned,

232
00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:52,160
Speaker 1: is captured and converted into usable energy for us. And

233
00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,199
Speaker 1: and in Freeman Dyson's point was, if you build one

234
00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,120
Speaker 1: of these things, you're going to capture light won't get out,

235
00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,920
Speaker 1: but infrared radiation heat, thermal heat will escape. And so

236
00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,440
Speaker 1: if you're looking around the skies for aliens, look for

237
00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,400
Speaker 1: something that has a tremendous amount of like the infrared

238
00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,240
Speaker 1: radiation of a star, but isn't putting any light out,

239
00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,040
Speaker 1: and maybe you just found an alien civilization. That's how

240
00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,280
Speaker 1: it began. But people started trying to figure out how

241
00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,440
Speaker 1: to make one of these things almost as soon as

242
00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,480
Speaker 1: he published that letter. So the one thing I don't

243
00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,800
Speaker 1: get was he saying that look for this because other

244
00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,680
Speaker 1: civilizations out there are using the Dyson spear. He he

245
00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,400
Speaker 1: said that it would be likely that they that this

246
00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,920
Speaker 1: would be an invention. They came up. Yeah, all right, well,

247
00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,760
Speaker 1: um let's go should we go to uh this U

248
00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,640
Speaker 1: Nikolai Karda Chef question. I think we can't put it

249
00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,480
Speaker 1: off any longer. It's pretty interesting. In the nineteen sixties

250
00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,400
Speaker 1: there was an astrophysicist named Nikolai karda chef and um

251
00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,640
Speaker 1: he was a Bond villain. And actually he wasn't, but

252
00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,320
Speaker 1: he should have been. Um. He had this idea that

253
00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,080
Speaker 1: there were three classifications of civilization. Uh, Type one, which

254
00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,960
Speaker 1: is basically we have learned how to harness all the

255
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,680
Speaker 1: energy on the home planet, like everything you can possibly

256
00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,280
Speaker 1: harness here on Earth. And you would think, well, that's

257
00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,960
Speaker 1: probably us. We're not quite there yet. Uh. Really smart

258
00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,440
Speaker 1: dude name Michio Kaku. UM not a Bond villain either,

259
00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,000
Speaker 1: he said, Uh, in the next hundred years or so,

260
00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,960
Speaker 1: maybe two hundred years, we might actually be a Type

261
00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,880
Speaker 1: one civilization. Yeah. And like you said, this where every

262
00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,320
Speaker 1: bit of Judeo thermal energy, every drop of sunlight, every

263
00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:46,520
Speaker 1: um um, every bit of hydro electric power, all that stuff,

264
00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,400
Speaker 1: Every potential bit of energy is being harnessed by us,

265
00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,640
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, we're nowhere near that right now. I

266
00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,640
Speaker 1: think Cocu's assessments a little rosy. Oh well, and I

267
00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,880
Speaker 1: can say that because he was on our TV show

268
00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,040
Speaker 1: sort of well he was he yes, he appeared on,

269
00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,960
Speaker 1: but we didn't interact with us in a real way exactly.

270
00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,480
Speaker 1: He has no idea who we are, no none. Uh

271
00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,760
Speaker 1: So Type two is the next, of course, and they

272
00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,440
Speaker 1: that kind of civilization would understand how to harness all

273
00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,520
Speaker 1: of the energy not only on your own home planet,

274
00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,440
Speaker 1: but the energy of a star in its own solar system. Right,

275
00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,960
Speaker 1: that's where the that's where the Dyson spear comes in.

276
00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,080
Speaker 1: That's what we aspire to do one day, right, maybe

277
00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,840
Speaker 1: a million or so years from now. And then Type

278
00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:40,560
Speaker 1: three is this kind of like following this logical progression, right,

279
00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,000
Speaker 1: and that's harnessing all the energy of all the galaxies,

280
00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,800
Speaker 1: or of entire galaxies, not necessarily all of them. Yeah.

281
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,480
Speaker 1: I think that the second the second stage, the type

282
00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:58,720
Speaker 1: to civilization would be um the either the hardest to

283
00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,320
Speaker 1: get to or take the longest to get to. And

284
00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,520
Speaker 1: that's because when you build that first dicense fear, your

285
00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,560
Speaker 1: technology and your energy efficiency and your productivity is going

286
00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,720
Speaker 1: to just shoot forward exponentially from that point on. So

287
00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,320
Speaker 1: so once you build that first one, you can start

288
00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,719
Speaker 1: building more and more and more much more quickly. So

289
00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,880
Speaker 1: you jumped from a Type two to a Type three

290
00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,960
Speaker 1: civilization pretty pretty fast compared to how long it took

291
00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,240
Speaker 1: you to go from a Type one to a Type

292
00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,000
Speaker 1: to civilization. Yeah. I think it's like any any product,

293
00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,879
Speaker 1: even that that first one is tough, and then you

294
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,399
Speaker 1: can scale it and uh, but well we'll get to

295
00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,320
Speaker 1: the robots here. So okay, in fact, let's take a break.

296
00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting a little psych chuck, and we'll talk a

297
00:17:44,720 --> 00:18:13,639
Speaker 1: little bit more about the Sun right after this. All right,

298
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,040
Speaker 1: So I went when I said the word sun, Yeah,

299
00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,359
Speaker 1: I thought that was odd. No, it's not. You know,

300
00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,639
Speaker 1: I honestly had no idea where you're going with this.

301
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,720
Speaker 1: Well you do, you're being coy. Uh. Most people out there,

302
00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 1: most long time listeners, know that our Sun podcast was

303
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,000
Speaker 1: one of our our biggest struggles and would have been

304
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 1: our biggest achievements had we uh done it right. It's

305
00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:45,360
Speaker 1: the biggest pity applause. We get yeah for this sun. No, no,

306
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,639
Speaker 1: it was it was fine. You tried, Yeah, good for

307
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,679
Speaker 1: you for trying. But uh, let's talk a little bit

308
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,919
Speaker 1: about the sun. This stuff I can deal with, at

309
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,520
Speaker 1: least as far as its immense power and energy. Um,

310
00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,840
Speaker 1: and I love of the Our own article has some

311
00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,959
Speaker 1: of these comparisons. Um, the sun can generate five times

312
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,359
Speaker 1: one zero to three horsepower. I think that that is

313
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 1: a TYPEO. I think that it's supposed to be five

314
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,680
Speaker 1: times ten to the twenty three power. You think that's

315
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,159
Speaker 1: the only explanation I have for that doesn't make sense.

316
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 1: That's a really small number. Actually, yeah, I agree, it

317
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:31,399
Speaker 1: would be like about horse power. Yeah, that's five times tinted.

318
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 1: It's gotta be someone just got lazy there. Serious. They're like,

319
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,959
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do the little twenty three thing, right,

320
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,159
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how to use superscript. What

321
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 1: am I like a great editor? Superscript? That's what it is, right,

322
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 1: superscript and subscript. Uh So let's put it this way,

323
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 1: and this one is the one that cracks me up. Um,

324
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,360
Speaker 1: the sun has enough energy to melt an ice bridge

325
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 1: two miles wide and a mile thick from Earth to

326
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 1: the Sun in a single second. In a single second,

327
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. This is the only article I think

328
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,679
Speaker 1: I've ever seen an ellipse in like like the author

329
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 1: was like, wait for it, in a single second. Yeah,

330
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't even think they did the ellipse right. And

331
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 1: the ellips supposed to be right after the letter or

332
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 1: is there space? I think there's supposed to be a

333
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 1: space on either side technically, Yeah, I've been doing these wrong. Then, well,

334
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: don't feel bad. This thing says five times one thousand,

335
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: twenty three horsepowers. It's all good, all right. What else?

336
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 1: One trillion one megats on bombs going off every second

337
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 1: if your war like, and then finally, one single second

338
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: of son action whatever that is is enough to power

339
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 1: our earth for half a million years. That drives it home.

340
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: It does, but it also gives you an idea of

341
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 1: just how primitive we are energy consumption wise, Like it's

342
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy because you know, we're really worried

343
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 1: about running out of our non renewable resources, but we

344
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: use such a minute amount of energy that that the

345
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: Sun could power the energy use we use currently for

346
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: half a million years in one second, ye. Right, so

347
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: that also kind of takes your mind though too. Um.

348
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 1: And this is I think one of the things, one

349
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: of the buttons that Freeman Dyson um pushed. It makes

350
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: you realize, like, holy cow, we could do some really

351
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: amazing stuff if we could capture a significant amount of

352
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: that power that the sun puts out, even an insignificant amount. Yeah, yeah,

353
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: you'd keep Iggy Pop going for like another hundred years.

354
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: Uh So, like you said that, the idea behind the

355
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 1: Diceon sphere is this structure. He originally proposed a hollow

356
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: sphere and kind of referred to it as a shell. Um,

357
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: but I think now or I think he went on

358
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: to to make it a solid sphere. He so he

359
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: actually said he was really, um, what's the opposite of clear? Take? Yeah,

360
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: I guess a little convoluted. He he didn't really go

361
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: to the trouble of spelling out because again, remember this

362
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: is a thought experiment that had to do with finding aliens,

363
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: not an engineering schematic. So he used some very it

364
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: was vague. That was what I was looking for. He

365
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: was using some vague words were like wait, what what

366
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? What is this sphere? Is it?

367
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: Is it? Cohesive. Is it like a solid body? Is

368
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 1: it hollow in the middle? What's going on? And he

369
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: came back and said in a letter a follow up,

370
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: he said, no, no, no, like, there's there's no way

371
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you could build something that would go around our sun.

372
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: That would be a solid body that was hollow in

373
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: the middle. Like, it couldn't be a cohesive hole because

374
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: the rotational forces, the sheer forces, and the gravitational forces

375
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: acting on it, which just obliterate it immediately. Like it's

376
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: it just be mechanically impossible to make it like that.

377
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: So he said, so maybe you would make something like

378
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: a bubble or a swarm or something like that. Yeah,

379
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: And he said in the letter, I've been closed some

380
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: blotter acid. Put it on your tongue. You're gonna love this.

381
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: It's dynamite, and call me in an hour. Might make

382
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: a little more sense. Uh yeah. Our own article points

383
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: out that one of the first downsides, obviously, if you

384
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: surround the sun completely, is that sunlight has I mean,

385
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: I know we'd be harnessing that energy, but sunlight provides

386
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: a lot more than just energy. Oh yeah, like it

387
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,239
Speaker 1: makes us happy. Yeah. People write entire songs about how

388
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: sunshine makes you happy, Like John Denver, did you know

389
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: that was just on the shoulders. It would be a

390
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: global bummer if somebody enclosed the Sun. That's like super

391
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: villain kind of stuff, right, Yeah, Okay, so that's a problem.

392
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: Another problem, though, is that if you're going to build

393
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: something like this, and and Dyson even suggested the size

394
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: of it. He was saying it would need to have

395
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: a radius, So a radius, not even a diameter half

396
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: of the diameter, a radius that was two times the

397
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: distance of the Earth to the Sun. So this thing

398
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: would be massive, which means that it would also enclose

399
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: the Earth too, right, Like he wasn't proposing you just

400
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: go up and create this tight ball around the Sun,

401
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: Like it would be much further spread out, and it

402
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: would actually encompass the Earth's orbit within it. Oh, so

403
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: it would be like this, this is mine. It belongs

404
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: to the Earth and no one else and can get

405
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: any sun. Yeah, it would. It would block off the

406
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: stuff outside of two times the distance of the Earth's orbit.

407
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of planets out there that would

408
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: would get the old screw job. But but but the

409
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: ones inside twice the distance of Earth's orbit would really

410
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: benefit from it. That's very selfish. Yeah. But the other

411
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: problem is too Chuck, is I imagine it would things

412
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: would get pretty hot, Yeah, pretty quickly inside this thing,

413
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: So the Earth would be destroyed. Yes, he and to

414
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: get around this, and a lot of people I don't

415
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: think got it immediately. He said, Well, you just live

416
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: inside the Dyson's fear like, like in the outer shell

417
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: of it. Oh, sure, make it habitable, right, Well that

418
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: makes sense, but what you were saying about just the

419
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: sheer size of it there, There literally aren't enough raw

420
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: materials on our entire planet to make something this big.

421
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: In fact, in our in our entire solar system, there

422
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: probably aren't enough raw materials to make a structure like

423
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: this and not and not still try to inhabit it.

424
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: There's just no way. Um. Some people say, though in

425
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: in Freeman himself, I keep on going to call him Freeman,

426
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: like that's his last name, but I just end up

427
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: sounding like I know him on a first name base.

428
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: He he was saying, Um, you might be able to

429
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: build something like this by disassembling Jupiter. Well that was

430
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: his suggestion. Yeah, he said, disassembled Jupiter and uh, put

431
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: it back together, and you could build a dicen sphere

432
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: um that had the radius twice the distance from the

433
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: Earth to the Sun and make a solar array of it.

434
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: Must have been some good acid. Ye, good for him,

435
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: all right. So I think we're both in agreement, and

436
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 1: most people are in agreement that this sphere idea is

437
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: not at all tangible, not as like a cohesive whole. No,

438
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: like it just remains in the realm of thought experiment.

439
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: So why bother. Oh, well, that's the interesting thing to me.

440
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: It basically is kind of like he meant it as

441
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: a thought experiment, it's been brought out of the realm

442
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: of thought experiments. And yeah, we're in no way, shape

443
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: or form capable of doing this, but a lot of

444
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: people have tried to figure out how to do it.

445
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: And I think it's it's one of those things that

446
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's theoretically possible, um, but we're just

447
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: it's not at our We're nowhere near that that level

448
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: of capability right now. Well, I think his other ideas

449
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: that he came up with, though, are are decent. Oh,

450
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: like the swarm and stuff. Well, yeah, I mean, let's

451
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: let's get to that. He uh he himself even said

452
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: the sphere is probably not very realistic at all, So

453
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: why don't we do this, Why don't we think of

454
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: different machines maybe, uh, that are independent of one another,

455
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: that actually circle the Sun, collect this energy and then

456
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: beam it back to Earth. Right, So, so to him,

457
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: his initial idea was that sphere, and then what it

458
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: came to be was that the sphere was like this

459
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: umbrella term for these different slightly more realistic ideas, like

460
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: the swarm or the bubble. So like like, what's the swarm? Uh, well,

461
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: the swarm maybe they they are in different orbits and

462
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: they like the swarm, he likens it to bees, like

463
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: instead of gathering pollen, they're just around the Sun, moving around,

464
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: gathering energy and power. And so those might be habitable too, right,

465
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: And they're like they're they're solar rays that are satellites

466
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: that are moving around on independent orbits of one another.

467
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: And if you and the way that they would make

468
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 1: a dicen spear is, yeah, there's a lot of space

469
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: in between them, but if you step back a few

470
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: orders of magnitude further back into the other parts of

471
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: the galaxy or the universe, it would appear is basically

472
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: a whole sphere around the Sun. Yea, so it still

473
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: falls under that category, right, Yeah, he had to keep

474
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: that sphere think because of branding. He didn't want to

475
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: lose that. He's like the genies out of the bottle.

476
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: They're like, you really don't need it to be a sphere.

477
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, it's got to be a sphere. Uh.

478
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: So those satellites are actually they would be called statites. Well, no,

479
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: if they were the bubble, they would be statites. This

480
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: guy's got it wrong. Oh really, I thought the solar

481
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: sales could be the statites. Now, So the what I

482
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: saw the difference between the swarm and the bubble was

483
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: that the swarm has the satellites in orbit around the

484
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: star and they're they're in their own orbits, not interacting

485
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: with each other. A bubble is where the satellites are

486
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: in a fixed position relative to the star. So those

487
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: are the statites, right, So they're just kind of hovering

488
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: outside of the star um not in orbit, just kind

489
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: of hovering instead. And then those are the two, and

490
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: then the third are the solar sales. Correct, Well, you

491
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: can make a solar sale, or you can make any

492
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: of them with solar sales, and I don't know where

493
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: that guy got that. Yeah, do we do a whole

494
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: episode on solar sales? Yeah? So, I mean it makes

495
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: sense if you a bunch of these solar sales orbiting

496
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: the Sun, Uh, you might think that you could harness

497
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: the power and send it back to Earth some way,

498
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: right exactly, And like that's that's like you could use

499
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: that with with with any of these like whether it's

500
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: a bubble, whether it's a swarm, whatever you're doing. Um,

501
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: And if you, like you said a second ago, made

502
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: them habitable, then all of a sudden you have a

503
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: recipe for survival for the human race if Earth ever

504
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: becomes untenable. Right, we can't tear a four mars. We

505
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: can go live on these things. And and when we

506
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: think about living out in space, my brain immediately goes

507
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: to like the cramped, tiny tin can conditions of the

508
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: I S s. These things don't need to be like that.

509
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're creating dicense fears, we're gonna be

510
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: advanced enough that we could build some really looks um

511
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: satellites and stats heights as solar race to go hover

512
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: or orbit around the Sun. Right, so they could be huge,

513
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: so so big in fact that that Dyson was saying this,

514
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: this doesn't have to be an engineering project that's carried

515
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: out by a central global government that's directing the whole thing.

516
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: That as our energy consumption and energy needs continue, nations

517
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: could take it upon themselves individually to create these solar

518
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: sales that are habitable, put them into orbit independently, and

519
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: just through the desire to preserve one's own life, would

520
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: make sure that their orbit wasn't gonna intersect with somebody

521
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: else's orbit. He was already up there, and just organically

522
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: a dycen's fear in the form of a swarm or

523
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: a bubble could form on its own, just by self

524
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: interested nations developing this technology basically independent of one another.

525
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was he had some far far

526
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: thinking thoughts, far thinking, I don't have this. Uh, should

527
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: we take another break? I think so right, we'll do

528
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: that and we'll wrap it up a little bit with

529
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: how to get this energy back to the home planet. Alright,

530
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: So earlier you talked about dismantling Jupiter with a socket

531
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: set a couple of screwdrivers. Uh. Mercury is another planet

532
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: that people have talked about as potentially harvesting. Um. The

533
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: good thing about mercury couple of things. One is that

534
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: it is near the sun. Yeah, so who needs it already? Yeah,

535
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: so it would make it um proximity wise, it makes

536
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of sense. And uh, I think this.

537
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: Oxford University physicists Stewart Armstrong is who proposed this, And um.

538
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: One of the other great things about mercury is it

539
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: has a lot of great raw materials, namely iron, that

540
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: we could use. And he he actually suggested that we

541
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: could disassemble mercury fully in basically what amounted to a

542
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: forty year stretch thirty days. I could do it right exactly.

543
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: If a contractor tells you can take mercury apart in

544
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: thirty days, don't trust him, agreed. Um, No, this was

545
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: this was in basically four ten year stretches combined equals

546
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: forty years. Obviously, but um, I think his point. Armstrong's

547
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: point was that you don't have to disassemble mercury as

548
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: a whole and and wait until it's fully disassembled to

549
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: put it together into dice and to start creating a dicensphere.

550
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: You can disassemble and and then start reassembling as you go,

551
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: and once you start getting one bit of it online,

552
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna help power and create better efficiency to harvest

553
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: and reassemble mercury the rest of mercury, you know, like

554
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier. And not only that, but

555
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: you could use that energy all of a sudden, you could.

556
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: That would be super computing like you've never seen. Uh,

557
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: space travel would get faster. Um, like all these technologies

558
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: that we can't even like think about yet would be

559
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: growing at exponential rates, right, And I mean that's the point,

560
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: like when you're like, well, what would we do with

561
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 1: with you know, all of this energy every second coming

562
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: off of the sun. Who knows? We we we just

563
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: we cannot conceive of the stuff we could do with

564
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: that amount of energy yet. But I guarantee it's not

565
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: going to be you know, using a few like charging

566
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: our smartphones. It should be for some pretty neat stuff,

567
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: I guess. Uh. So the other cool idea is that, um,

568
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: holy cow, how many people would have to to take

569
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: part in this kind of a project, just literally the

570
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: labor force you would need. And um, I think Armstrong

571
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: is the one who said, well you could use robots actually, uh,

572
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: and with the same idea that once you get some

573
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: of these robots going, uh, if they could self replicate

574
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: and build themselves, then you can just kind of sit

575
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: back and watch the paint dry on earth and all

576
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: these robots are up there just building themselves and working

577
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: and working, uh and doing everything for you exactly. And

578
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: that's why that was his I don't know if it

579
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: was his point. Someone's point along the way is that

580
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: when you start that, when you build that first license fear,

581
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's just going to keep going

582
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: and going and going faster. It's going to spread at

583
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: an exponential rate. So you would go from a type

584
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: two civilization to a type three civilization pretty quickly. And

585
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, you would also if if

586
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: this project was carried up by a centralized government, it

587
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: would spread so quickly and so far uh in such

588
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: a relatively short amount of time, something like going from

589
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: that first dicense fhere to um colonizing an entire galaxy

590
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: in something like a million years, that even if it

591
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: was a centralized government involved at the beginning, they would

592
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: very quickly lose control of the colonies because they'd be

593
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: so spread out and there'll be so many of them

594
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: that they would just basically become self sufficient and spread

595
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: over the galaxy. So the reason this is noteworthy is

596
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: that if you found one Dicens fear, you would probably

597
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: find millions or billions or trillions of them in in

598
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: just an one section of the universe. Right, You're not

599
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: you You probably are not going to find just one

600
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Dicense fear. You're going to find a dison galaxy, a

601
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: type three civilization. And that's what they're looking for by

602
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: sifting through UM some of these old sky surveys, and

603
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: they found a couple of of candidates. Actually in the

604
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: last year or so, I think there's a there's a

605
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: couple of surveys that have found stars and they have

606
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: like typical star names. One is A K I C

607
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: eight four six to eight five two, which is a

608
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: sexy name, and then the other is E P I C,

609
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure they call EPIC two oh four

610
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: to eight nine one six right, And Epic was discovered

611
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: by the Kepler spacecraft in two fourteen. And the reason

612
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: these things are noteworthy is because um there is some

613
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: sort of weird transit uh pattern where the light dims

614
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: UM I guess randomly or not necessarily on some sort

615
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: of set schedule um around these stars. And you would say, well,

616
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: that's probably just a planet or something coming in between it. Well, yes,

617
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: they thought about that already. Um. And normally a star

618
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: will dim by about one percent when a planet sized

619
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: object comes in between you, the observer and that planet.

620
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: These things are dipping on the in the case of

621
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: K I C Star and in the case of the

622
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: epics star sixty five. Right, Okay, they have no idea

623
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: what could be massive enough to dim those two stars

624
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: that much. They haven't encountered it before. There's a couple

625
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: of theories. One of them said, a swarm of comets.

626
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: Somebody else said, well, you could very easily go from

627
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: a swarm of comets to a swarm of solar arrays.

628
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: So maybe these are evidence of Dyson's fears. Yeah, I

629
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: mean it's possible. Well, you know, it's kind of fun

630
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: to talk about robots, robots building themselves and them doing

631
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: all this work up there. Uh. One of the big

632
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: problems is we're not nearly I mean, we have robot

633
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: technology now, but nothing close to that at the present. UM.

634
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: And as this article points out, that you would need

635
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: like it would have to be so advanced these these

636
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: robots would have to be operating without fail up there

637
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: because they would be by themselves or be able to

638
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: fix themselves and fix problems, like the intelligence would need

639
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: to be so far advanced, like we can't even imagine

640
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: what that would be like. No, but I mean, even

641
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: if Michio Kaku is off by a hundred or two

642
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: hundred or five hundred years, that's not that far off. Like,

643
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: if we can harness all the energy on Earth, we

644
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: should very quickly and improve as far as our technology

645
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: is concerned. So who knows, Maybe maybe those robots aren't

646
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: that far off, you know. Um. One other thing that

647
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: that I saw from this, though, was when H. Freeman

648
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: Dyson was talking about dissembling Jupiter, Chuck. He said that

649
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: it should take I don't know, roughly eight hundred years

650
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: worth of the Sun's energy output to disassemble and reassemble Jupiter. Well,

651
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: that's not bad, but do you remember how much comes

652
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: out of the Sun in a second. We're like, whoa,

653
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, that's so much. We would need eight hundred

654
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: years worth of that to disassemble and reassemble Jupiter. So

655
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: we we like, not only do we not have the

656
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: capability of building as dicens fear. We don't even have

657
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: the capability of disassembling Jupiter. We just don't have any

658
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: way to harness that energy, which creates this kind of

659
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: um chicken or egg dilemma, Like we almost need a

660
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: dicens fear to create a dicense fhere at this point,

661
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 1: somewhere Freeman Dison is laughing on acid somewhere in New Jersey. Um.

662
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 1: One of the other big issues is, Okay, let's say

663
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: that you could even do something like this and harness

664
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: this energy. UM to get it to Earth is another

665
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: big problem, UM, if we want to make it actually

666
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: actually usable. Um. Some people said we could laser it over.

667
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: But the problems with laser beams is after about a mile,

668
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose a lot of uh efficiency with it,

669
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: So good luck with that. Microwaves have been floated out there.

670
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: But microwaves, even though they're more effective longer farther out

671
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: than lasers, UM, you're still limited to about a hundred miles,

672
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: which will do us no good. Right, So what's the answer.

673
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't have one either. I mean,

674
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: I guess one of the easy ones is well, just

675
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: inhabit the solar rays go inhabit the dison spear stuff.

676
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Being so precious about living on Earth. Um, which makes sense.

677
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: But I like living on Earth. Yeah, but would an

678
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: Earth eight hundred years from now be worth living on? Uh?

679
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: It depends, Chuck. Will it be skipping skipping to school

680
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: and skinning knees and spelling bees and all that still?

681
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: Because if so, yeah, I don't know what you're talking about.

682
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: It's another Simpsons reference. He's it's a one where Principal

683
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: Skinner came back, the real principal Skinner and he's like,

684
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: he goes, if if you think skinning knees and spelling

685
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: bees or corny, well, then mr Corny up. That's right.

686
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: That's why, uh, I would like to introduce their principal Skinner,

687
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: Principal Skimore Skinner Armontaine's area. Um, there's one other thing.

688
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: You got anything else? I got nothing else. I got

689
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: one more thing. So there's that whole idea that Dyson

690
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: came up with to search the skies for this this

691
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: imprint where there's a lot of infrared radiation but no

692
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: visible light. There's a problem with that because this guy

693
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: came along. His name was Robert Bradberry's a futurist. I

694
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: think maybe a science fiction writer. No, Robert, his little

695
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: little brother. Um Robert Bradberry said, well, you know what,

696
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to, um, make these license fear

697
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: is efficient, you'd make them in like the same manner

698
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: that those Russian nesting dolls are made Troishka, Right, So

699
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: you'd have the the internal sphere and then outer spheres

700
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: going around and catching all that lost heat energy and

701
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: turning it into usable power, which is awesome because you'd

702
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: have basically a hundred percent efficiency as far as the

703
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: dicense fear was concerned. But if you're looking at the stars,

704
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: you would see nothing because not only would there not

705
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: be visible light, there also wouldn't be any infrared radiation.

706
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: And Freeman Dyson just hung his head, went into his

707
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: room and shut the door and laid down on his

708
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: bed for a while. The end. Yeah. Uh, Well, if

709
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: you want to know more about dicens fears, you can

710
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: start with this article on how stuff works dot com

711
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: by typing dicens fear into the search bar how stuff works.

712
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: As I said, and since I said how stuff works twice,

713
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: that means it's time for a listener mail. I'm gonna

714
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: call this uh we helped a lady out. Um. Hey, guys,

715
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: I hope this email finds you well. Been listening for

716
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: only a short time, but it becomes so addicted. I've

717
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: already being about half of your episodes offered on Spotify.

718
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: I think she meant page we uh were on Spotify,

719
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: by the way, and you can being us all you

720
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: want from that platform. Um. Like many others, I absolutely

721
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: adore your show. I came across the podcast after a

722
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 1: very upsetting event in my life save you the SOB

723
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: story and just say I was going through intense grief.

724
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: There was something about your kind voices, strong intellect, and

725
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: raunchy humor that gave me a thirst for learning and

726
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: a new purpose in life. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Waitnue,

727
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: do we have raunchy humor? I didn't realize that we.

728
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: I think she picks up on the that's like Cheat

729
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: and Chong the sideways comments. We're like the new Cheat

730
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: and Chong. Thank you a billion times over for just

731
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: being who you are. The podcast was a large factor

732
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: and saving my life. Don't ever underestimate or doubt what

733
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: you do, and know that there are people like me

734
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: out there soaking up every word. Sincerely, Cherry B. Thanks

735
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: a lot, Cherry. That's nice and I like hearing that

736
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: we help people. Yeah, it makes me feel good in

737
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: my belly. Yeah, we appreciate the compliment. That's very nice.

738
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: If you to take the time to write in to

739
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: let us know, um and you can let us know

740
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: that you think we're the tops by tweeting to us.

741
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm at josh um Clark And there's also an official

742
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: s Y s K podcast one. You can hang out

743
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: with Chuck at facebook dot com slash Charles W. Chuck

744
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: Bryant or Facebook dot com slash Stuff you Should Know.

745
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: You can send us an email to Stuff Podcasts how

746
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com and has always joined us at

747
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: our home on the web, Stuff you Should Know dot com.

748
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: For more on this and sins of other topics, visit

749
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: how stuff Works dot com. H m hm