WEBVTT - The Legacy Program, Chapter One: Fact and Fiction 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.680 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:09.080 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.119 learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:13.920 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.400 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:30.280 my name is Noel. 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.640 They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.800 super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:38.720 are you. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:39.440 You are here. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.400 That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.960 And if our grand recent conspiracy has worked out, you 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.080 are watching this on Netflix. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:51.000 Gotcha? 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:52.600 We did it. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.680 We ran the best syop of all time. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.160 Guys have been getting ready for this episode. I am 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:04.160 so excited. I watched season three, episode twenty of X 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.319 Files Jose chungs from outer Space. Do you guys remember 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:07.680 that one? 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:07.920 Oh? 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.000 I do, yes, I do? 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:10.920 No not that what I have been doing to rewatch 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.960 myself and I prepared by watching the X Files crossover 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.000 episode of The Simpsons. 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.679 Hi Bring you Peace, kilm. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:19.920 Yeah. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:24.679 I prepared by dusting off all of our previous research 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.800 over the years since we first began this show as 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:33.520 a video series. By the way, on pre youtubeoo, nobody 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:34.119 checks out. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.119 Creating Netflix as a streamer. It was back when Netflix 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.160 was sending discs in the mail. 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.440 So I dusted off all these old paper files from 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:49.480 various government agencies, various episodes we did and realize that 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.960 we've always had the same mission when it comes to UFOs, 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.760 just like Molder said, we want to believe. And recently 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:02.840 a lot of people were tuning into various programs or 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:08.880 various news interviews, even congressional testimony about the nature of UFOs, 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:14.280 what we call UAP and the concept of disclosure. What 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:19.640 disclosure argues is that world governments not only possess evidence 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.880 of intelligent non human activity around Earth and in near 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.640 Earth orbit, but they also are on the verge of 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.280 revealing this to the public. Now. I don't know about 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.200 you guys, but a lot of the folks I have 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:37.239 contact with have started to encounter something we could call 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:44.520 uapf or UAP fatigue, because it's always almost about to 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:45.959 go public, right. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.120 Or you know, when they did drop some info about 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.919 it recently, it was all a little bit underwhelming, if 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.120 I remember correctly. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.960 Well, yeah, because you can't. Nobody is willing to go 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.560 forward and do the thing that would considered illegal and 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.280 that is to share the super classified, top secret documents. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:05.600 Right. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.639 A lot of people have come forward, include David Crush, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.320 a lot of people who gave to testimony and they 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.519 gave a lot of information to Congress right under oath. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.040 They they talked about things, but they would not or 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.800 could not go into detail in a public setting, which 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:25.280 is just like, yeah, makes sense, but it's disheartening. I 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.560 guess for anybody who is not in that room right, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.120 who isn't going to get to have some kind of 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.200 special session that's closed off with those guys to talk 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.480 about that stuff if they have the proper clearance. So 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.680 it's just you know, I get it. I understand the 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:39.320 fatigue of it. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.600 Yeah. I think one great way to put it, folks, 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.160 is it feels surreal and it feels like a heck 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.760 of a wamp womp moment to have these experts with 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:56.200 bona fides out the wazoo go straight to Congress the 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:01.040 halls of power and say, I swear that I can't 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:05.720 really tell you about this. That's exactly what happens, and 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.360 that's why so many people are going, you know, look 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:09.840 up there in the sky. Is it a bird? 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:10.600 Is it a playing? 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.880 Is it a secret government plot to hide the true 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:19.560 story of UFOs. We know right now as we're recording 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:25.159 on January twenty sixth, that there have been no official 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:31.080 institutional admissions of alien activity, but more and more experts 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.840 as well as politicians are talking about it openly. And 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:40.360 this episode owes a lot of inspiration to a documentary 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.080 we all checked out more than once called The Age 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.560 of Disclosure. You're doubtlessly familiar with it if you check 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.840 out shows like ours, and we do recommend you check 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.920 it out. But there's something hidden in there which is 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:00.560 even more interesting than the typical talk of UFO disclosure. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.320 It's something called the Legacy Program. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.160 The Legacy Program. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.039 And I know when we watched it, we thought, is 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.039 it possible that that thing is real? 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:13.520 Really? 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:14.599 Could that be the thing? 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:21.040 Another innocuous name that that that portends some shady business? 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:21.360 Right? 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.480 Yeah? And the reason I brought up that X Files 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:28.599 episode is because there is a specific organization that somehow 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.760 in the nineties those folks were thinking about or talking about, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.600 that appears to be talked about in this documentary as 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.240 though it's an actual facts thing. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.240 Matt, could you remind me, I don't remember the one 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.120 the plot of the X Files episode just in broad strokes, 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.360 because I do want to go check it out. 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.240 The Jose Chung one is a very silly one that's 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.560 told from a bunch of different perspectives about a UFO sighting. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.680 I specifically watched it because I wanted to get my 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.719 Jesse Ventura on for this episode, and then he features 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.919 heavily as a men in black that episode. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.920 Tracks Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so we see again, we 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:07.200 see that interesting blend of fiction and fact which happens 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:08.880 all the time in this sort of. 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.320 Milieu of conversation. 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.559 But I was also left with that question after Age 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.239 of Disclosure, because it called back to so much research 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.839 we had done previously, and I, like so many other 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:25.240 people across the planet, was going, what is this legacy program? 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.080 Does it actually exist? And if so, can we prove 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:38.719 that existence? We'll be back afterword from our sponsors. Here 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:43.120 are the facts. Let's start with the Age of Disclosure. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.120 How would we describe it? I mean, it's a documentary 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:50.240 created by Dan Farrah and it's narrated by none other 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.400 than Louise Elizondo, who we all remember. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.120 Hugely large looming figure in these types of conversations. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.640 Yeah, Luis is all over the inner if you look 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.480 up the UAP phenomena, and that is because of you know, 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.080 a tip. The party played an a tip and you know, 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.039 he and a bunch of other people who actually looked 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.200 into this stuff. Thanks Harry Reid for making that happen. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.520 I suppose the thing the standout part of this documentary 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.120 is the number of human beings that it interviews, in 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.120 high profile interviews of folks that a lot of times 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.080 don't talk about this, some people who talk about all 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.680 the time and that's all they talk about, and then 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:30.000 others that, you know, especially with Marco Rubio, you go, huh, yeah, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:31.040 you're saying, what. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.840 Marco, Marco, what else was on your schedule for today, 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.040 Little Marco. That's one of the things I was thinking, Yeah, 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:42.880 And I think it's fair to compare this somewhat to 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.880 a mixtape with a strong thematic spine with a narrative, 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:52.360 because Age of Disclosure compiles tons and tons of interviews 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.920 with ufologists. Right as we were saying, people who dedicate 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.520 their life to this, as well as former and current 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:03.680 government officials, politic titians, members of the military and intelligence community. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.200 We've mentioned a lot of these folks. Previously we went 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.880 in depth to the testimony of folks like the former 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:15.160 US Department of Defense Intel officer David Grush. You can 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.800 check that out in full if you visit our catalog 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:20.880 wherever you find your favorite shows. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.640 It's oh, just mentioning Grush. High Strange Season two is 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.640 about to come out. That's Payne Lindsay's show, and David 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:33.520 Grush is extensively a part of that season and he's 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.440 got more to say, so you know, we'll have to 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.400 kind of just wait, but it's very interesting stuff. 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:45.000 Nice congrats, Pain, And we know that in age of Disclosure, 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:51.319 the people interviewed, they range across political ideologies and you know, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.480 lines of belief in areas of expertise. But the thing 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.880 they have in common is they all seem to genuinely 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:03.360 believe alien intelligence doesn't just exist, but has visited our 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.120 little cosmic suburb of Earth. I guess we should point 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.000 out that some of the individuals interviewed might be considered 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:15.840 you know, fringe or controversial. Right, let's just get in 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.040 front of that one, because there are a lot of 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.640 mainstream scientists who. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.160 Immediately dismiss this stuff as bubble. 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.680 Yeah, I mean, according to Lisa Simpson in the Simpsons 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.200 X Files crossover episode, I mentioned the chances of being 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.480 contacted by an alien life form of any kind are 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.120 in the you know, one to millions in terms of 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.559 the odds, And I'm sure he's referencing some of the 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.360 practical data of the time. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.160 Oh for sure. Well, if you look to the writing 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.000 of somebody like Michael Shermer, who writes for her Skeptic magazine, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.320 he points out Luis Alizondo as somebody that we need 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.520 to be skeptical of, which is really interesting because this 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.240 that guy, he's been at the center of this a 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.080 TIP and UAP movement actually with regards to Congress since 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.840 the jump, really and he's been he's been talking about 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.480 it publicly a lot. But then somehow people always call 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.040 in to question his actual involvement at a TIP and 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.400 he has position there, and there's. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.840 A lot of infighting in the community itself, you know, 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:20.920 like there are a lot of people like Grush will 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.360 say that there are people participating in cover ups or 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.960 that they are purporting to be part of a disclosure 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.160 movement while actually managing access to it or attempting to 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:37.959 control and suppress genuine information so even in these circles, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.240 not all of these folks trust each other one hundred percent. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.280 But then we have to decide who we trust. Because 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.319 the official word out of the Pentagon from Christopher Sherwood. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.640 This is a quote from him, as quote by Michael 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.440 Shermer quote, mister Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.720 the A tip program. So we have to decide, is 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.160 that the Pentagon put out, you know, an official story 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:06.920 that's cover for something, or to you know, discredit mister Elizondo. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.640 I mean, we know that that's a thing that happens. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:14.520 Sure, sure, disavowing knowledge of activities, right, it's relabsolutely. We've 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.400 got another quote here that I think differentiates Age of 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.720 Disclosure from a lot of other documentaries in that same 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:26.840 field because the director says he sought only to interview 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:31.760 people who have direct knowledge of the government programs in questions. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:36.800 So he's not talking to people who heard something third hand. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.600 He's not talking to someone who just wants to sell 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.920 a book and has some logical ideas. These are people who, yeah, 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.520 as far as Dan is concerned, are in the trenches. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.360 That's also a note you can find in the Skeptic 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.640 article that you're referencing there, Matt and and lo and behold, 0:11:55.080 --> 0:12:00.200 this approach met with phenomenal success. Only thirty percent going 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.600 to Rotten Tomatoes. Because we're film nerds. Only thirty percent 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:08.160 of critics seem to really dig it, But the popcorn 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.560 meter gives it a ninety three percent approval rating. That 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:17.160 means the general audience said, whatever, critics, you're stuck up, 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:18.400 We love this thing. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:19.960 More aliads please. 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.679 That's crazy that it's that low and rot tomatoes. I 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.640 never would have expected that after watching it. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.040 Here's the thing, though, I mean, it's always super fascinating 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:32.080 when the critics score and audience score are completely, like, 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.079 diametrically opposed in one direction or another. A lot of 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.720 times you'll have a movie that is blown out of 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.079 the water in terms of like critical response and then 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.200 has an absolutely, you know, abysmal audience score. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:44.640 So critics' Darlene. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.080 Yeah, Usually if there's a mismatch like that, it's probably 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.240 worth checking out for one reason or another. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.000 That's a great point, Noil, I haven't seen something this 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.720 divisive between critics and audience since the legendary Police Academy four. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.920 Oh gosh, you check that out as well. It's a 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:05.120 spiritual predecessor to Age of Disclosure if you really think 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:06.280 about it. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.000 Critics love that audience is now I have a feeling direction. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.000 Yeah, it's really interesting. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.560 They're making the same remarks of I'm just looking at 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.040 a couple of these men, the same remarks that we 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.760 talked about at the top, where it's what's happening in Congress, 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.480 it's what's happening on your social media feeds and all 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.000 these posts and books and everything, a lot of really cool, 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:27.760 unprovable stuff. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.120 And that is the kicker. You're going to hear us 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:31.719 mention that. 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.080 A couple of times, folks, because we cannot overemphasize at 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.920 no point in the entirety of this documentary does Age 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:45.640 of Disclosure present any hard physical evidence. There's nothing provided 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.079 for the audience. We mean, there are tons of statements there. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.920 There's plenty of video footage, and a lot of it 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.960 is older stuff you've seen before, like tic TAC videos. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.440 There in depth interviews with people who have heard hell 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.520 as we would say in Tennessee, of are programs in secrets. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.280 But nobody takes the director or Louise on a UFO 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.240 joy ride. Nobody is holding up a piece of let 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.200 me see, nobody's holding up a piece of physical stuff 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:14.599 or anxiety materials. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.240 This is just get that light. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.760 And that makes sense that you have critics kind of 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.560 you know, dumping on this, because that is not something 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.320 that usually bodes well for critical response if a documentary 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.960 does not present good sources or they don't have some 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.160 sort of like basis. In fact, I think that often, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.800 you know, is a ding towards a film for critics. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:39.040 Agreed, But have we learned nothing from agents Molder and 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.000 Scully guys, We've learned. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:43.360 Those crews. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.520 Those crews always come in afterwards and clean up all 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.840 the evidence. That's why there's no evidence to hold up 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.600 into show. They've got they've got crews of people. The 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.680 smoking man's in the court, or the cancer man he's 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.480 over there. He's getting all kinds of different organizations to 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.160 make sure we never see anything, we can never prove. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.400 Anything, right. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.320 This is what we were talking about off air. There's 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.600 a weird rhetorical trap that occurs in this kind of 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.720 stuff and also just something that grinds my gears a 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.120 little bit, even as a kid watching X Files when 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.600 they had the cleaner scenes and the cover up scenes 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:22.320 The smoking man is not named. Ironically, he is always 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:27.480 smoking cigarettes, and cigarettes have a very distinct, very durable smell. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.680 So if he is on the scene of a cleanup, 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:36.160 eventually somebody's going to say, who keeps smoking this whole time? 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.800 What does it always smell like tobacco? Whatever? We can't 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:46.560 find a body. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.840 Also, I mean not named for nothing that you know. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:54.040 His job was to throw up smoke screens the States 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.920 the truth clown people's views of true events. 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:02.080 He's also symbolically a ca answer right yeah, inside the 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.360 government that is trying to stop He's trying to grow whatever. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.440 What is he trying to grow? Well, we won't spoil 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:09.320 xols for you. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.160 It's so long. Chris Carter would be so mad. He 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:14.200 works so hard on it. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:15.640 Guys, just check it out. 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.880 I'm more of a Monster of the Week kind of guy. 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:24.000 Yeah. Yeah. Also symbolically, you know, he represents a father 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.880 big brother esque or Wellian figure. Anyway, when you're watching 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.440 Age of Disclosure, another thing that stood out to us 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:36.280 is no one introduces a known extraterrestrial for a chat. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.920 No extra terrestrial does not show up for an interview. 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.280 Now are some of the people being interviewed secretly aliens 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.120 will tell you when they email uspat but for now 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.520 they all seem to be human presenting. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.800 Speaking of whether or not someone is secretly an alien, 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.640 I highly recommend everyone go out immediately and check out Bogonia. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:01.920 The Yorgos Lanthemos movie amounts a group of canspiracy nuts 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.040 that abduct a CEO of a chemical company or a 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:09.160 pharmaceutical company because they believe her to be an alien. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.359 And it's fascinating and very in line with a lot 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.760 of the thought experiments we talk about here on this show. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.080 Oh yeah, I would say, guys, I want to see 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:18.880 I haven't seen it yet. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:19.800 No, it's great. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:24.320 I would say. The feeling you get as an experiencer 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.560 of this documentary is that those alien bodies are right 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.560 around the corner, right. You get the feeling that there 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.200 is definitely something in a vault somewhere. These guys were 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.040 talking to in the documentary just can't access it because 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:44.400 it's impossible, But you something in you knows. Oh, there 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.640 are multiple bodies somewhere. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.600 Yeah, it's old school Hitchcock rules of film. Right. The 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.400 monster is just outside of the frame, just in the corner, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.320 but it's there. It's there and you better straighten up 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.920 and fly right. Okay, no more Mora leys for you. 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:06.879 But there's also the talk of non human biologics, a 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.239 very interesting term. But you'll never see somebody hold up 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.600 a jar and say, yeah, you know, and they gave 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.600 all of us one of these, you know, when you 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.560 retire from the secret government program, and I. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:18.680 Want to know. I mean, one thing that was I 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.639 think featured pretty heavily in the X Files movie was 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:27.639 the idea of alien technology that far outpaces anything that 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:32.000 we as consumers, as regular old you know Jo's and 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.000 Jans know about in terms of what's available to the 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.480 public or even to the government. And a lot of 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.439 the u UAP sightings often get attributed to tests of 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.399 this kind of secret technology, whether it be alien or 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.600 just stuff that the government doesn't want us to know 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.040 about yet. So why don't we have any of those 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.320 bits of evidence. You'd think something would have come to 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.400 lights Oh certain point. 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.760 I love that point, because the argument is it's slowly 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.480 trickling out stuff like Velcrow and man. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.280 Is that the height of a human ingenuity? 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.240 That's the height that's good, that's the aliens weren't ever 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.359 actually crashing They were landing and telling people repeatedly that 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.000 they were excited about Velcrow. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.280 It just makes such a satisfying rip, you know what 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:14.520 I mean. 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.479 Yeah, it was Actually it was kind of an MLM scheme, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.119 and that's why Uncle Sam is covering it up because 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.840 we fell for it. Hook and Technology. They sorry, they 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:26.920 fell for it. We're not the We're not the big 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:27.880 weed on that one. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:28.600 No, no, no. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:28.920 Yeah. 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.679 The other big concept that exists out there in the 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.800 UAP a verse, which is currently experiencing fatigue, as we've said, 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:42.160 is that these stories about secret craft and reverse engineering 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.399 and all that stuff is the cover, right, Yeah, that 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.919 is the cover for the actual government stuff. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.040 That's an alternate narrative. It's a little easier to stomach. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.320 Is that kind of as old as time? And we 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.679 know that's historically true, that has been proven. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:19:58.840 Back in the day. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:04.000 The FBI and parts of the CIA totally loved the 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.240 Little Green Men's stories because it helped you. It helped 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.639 you explain away a stealth bomber, right, And it's the 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:16.320 kind of info war that you couldn't you couldn't improve on. 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:17.520 It's just perfect. 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.919 It ticks all the boxes for shutting people up or 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.600 dismissing what they as he said, Matt experience, and this 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.480 is all culminating right in Age of Disclosure, which has 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.520 great pacing. Objectively, it's a roller coaster, it's a thrill ride. 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.160 But because of all these points we mentioned, critics from 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:42.199 the world of film and science and even ufologists have 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.720 a lot of gripes with the project. I mean, we 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.200 can just cut past the mainstream science problems with that 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.840 we all know about those, and shout out to all 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.119 our scientists in the crowd, thank you for doing the 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.480 hard work. One thing I thought was really interesting is 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.800 that some film critics and some ufoll specially ufologists, the 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:06.560 people who we imagine would champion this documentary, Some of 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:10.680 them are saying, look, this is just all stuff that's 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.879 been remarked upon and presented plenty of times in the past. 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.359 It just looks new because as a higher than average 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:23.520 production value, it might be new information to the casual viewer. 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.000 They're saying, but anyone who is lightly familiar with the 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:30.800 world of UFOs has already heard this stuff. So that's 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.719 one of the ufologists criticisms. They're saying, it's exciting, but 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:36.120 it's not really news to us. 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.639 Is this film getting mainstream attention. I guess I haven't 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:39.840 really seen it. I mean, not that there would be a 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:43.720 giant marketing campaign for any documentary these days, but is 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:44.880 this getting an audience? 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:45.480 I'm curious. 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.000 There was a hype train for this thing, okay, oh yeah, 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.560 and people are super excited for it. 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.880 Because they thought it was going to reveal something new. 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:55.520 Well yeah, but I think it has to do with 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.280 what Ben's talking about there, the overall production value of 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.800 the thing, the names that are meant and right in 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:05.159 the in the trailers and teasers that came out, it 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.280 just seemed it seemed like a legitimate UAP UFO documentary. 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:12.600 And we know Jeremy Corbel, right, and Jeremy Corbell makes 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.080