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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you.

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Speaker 4: You are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: And if our grand recent conspiracy has worked out, you

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Speaker 3: are watching this on Netflix.

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Speaker 5: Gotcha?

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Speaker 3: We did it.

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Speaker 5: We ran the best syop of all time.

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Speaker 2: Guys have been getting ready for this episode. I am

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Speaker 2: so excited. I watched season three, episode twenty of X

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Speaker 2: Files Jose chungs from outer Space. Do you guys remember

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Speaker 2: that one?

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Speaker 3: I do, yes, I do?

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Speaker 5: No not that what I have been doing to rewatch

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Speaker 5: myself and I prepared by watching the X Files crossover

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Speaker 3: Hi Bring you Peace, kilm.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I prepared by dusting off all of our previous research

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Speaker 3: over the years since we first began this show as

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Speaker 3: a video series. By the way, on pre youtubeoo, nobody

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Speaker 5: Creating Netflix as a streamer. It was back when Netflix

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Speaker 5: was sending discs in the mail.

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Speaker 3: So I dusted off all these old paper files from

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Speaker 3: various government agencies, various episodes we did and realize that

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Speaker 3: we've always had the same mission when it comes to UFOs,

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Speaker 3: just like Molder said, we want to believe. And recently

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Speaker 3: a lot of people were tuning into various programs or

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Speaker 3: various news interviews, even congressional testimony about the nature of UFOs,

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Speaker 3: what we call UAP and the concept of disclosure. What

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Speaker 3: disclosure argues is that world governments not only possess evidence

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Speaker 3: of intelligent non human activity around Earth and in near

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Speaker 3: revealing this to the public. Now. I don't know about

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Speaker 3: you guys, but a lot of the folks I have

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Speaker 3: contact with have started to encounter something we could call

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Speaker 5: Or you know, when they did drop some info about

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Speaker 5: I remember correctly.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because you can't. Nobody is willing to go

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have come forward, include David Crush,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who gave to testimony and they

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Speaker 2: gave a lot of information to Congress right under oath.

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Speaker 2: They they talked about things, but they would not or

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Speaker 2: is just like, yeah, makes sense, but it's disheartening. I

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Speaker 2: it's just you know, I get it. I understand the

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think one great way to put it, folks,

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Speaker 4: Is it a playing?

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Speaker 3: Is it a secret government plot to hide the true

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Speaker 3: story of UFOs. We know right now as we're recording

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Speaker 3: this episode owes a lot of inspiration to a documentary

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Speaker 3: of Disclosure. You're doubtlessly familiar with it if you check

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Speaker 3: out shows like ours, and we do recommend you check

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Speaker 3: It's something called the Legacy Program.

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Speaker 5: The Legacy Program.

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Speaker 2: And I know when we watched it, we thought, is

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Speaker 2: Could that be the thing?

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Speaker 5: Another innocuous name that that that portends some shady business?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And the reason I brought up that X Files

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Speaker 5: Matt, could you remind me, I don't remember the one

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Speaker 2: The Jose Chung one is a very silly one that's

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Speaker 2: I specifically watched it because I wanted to get my

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Speaker 3: But I was also left with that question after Age

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Speaker 3: Does it actually exist? And if so, can we prove

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Speaker 3: are the facts. Let's start with the Age of Disclosure.

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Speaker 3: How would we describe it? I mean, it's a documentary

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Speaker 3: created by Dan Farrah and it's narrated by none other

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Speaker 5: Hugely large looming figure in these types of conversations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Luis is all over the inner if you look

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Speaker 3: Marco, Marco, what else was on your schedule for today,

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Speaker 3: Little Marco. That's one of the things I was thinking, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I think it's fair to compare this somewhat to

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Speaker 3: because Age of Disclosure compiles tons and tons of interviews

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Speaker 3: We've mentioned a lot of these folks. Previously we went

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Speaker 3: US Department of Defense Intel officer David Grush. You can

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Speaker 3: check that out in full if you visit our catalog

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Speaker 2: It's oh, just mentioning Grush. High Strange Season two is

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Speaker 2: Grush is extensively a part of that season and he's

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Speaker 2: got more to say, so you know, we'll have to

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Speaker 2: kind of just wait, but it's very interesting stuff.

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Speaker 3: Nice congrats, Pain, And we know that in age of Disclosure,

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Speaker 3: believe alien intelligence doesn't just exist, but has visited our

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Speaker 4: Immediately dismiss this stuff as bubble.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, according to Lisa Simpson in the Simpsons

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Speaker 5: X Files crossover episode, I mentioned the chances of being

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Well, if you look to the writing

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Speaker 2: he points out Luis Alizondo as somebody that we need

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Speaker 3: got another quote here that I think differentiates Age of

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Speaker 3: So he's not talking to people who heard something third hand.

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Speaker 3: That's also a note you can find in the Skeptic

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Speaker 3: article that you're referencing there, Matt and and lo and behold,

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Speaker 3: this approach met with phenomenal success. Only thirty percent going

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Speaker 3: to Rotten Tomatoes. Because we're film nerds. Only thirty percent

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Speaker 3: means the general audience said, whatever, critics, you're stuck up,

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Speaker 3: We love this thing.

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Speaker 4: More aliads please.

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Speaker 3: It's so long. Chris Carter would be so mad. He

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would say, guys, I want to see

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Speaker 2: I would say. The feeling you get as an experiencer

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's old school Hitchcock rules of film. Right. The

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Speaker 5: Want to know. I mean, one thing that was I

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Speaker 3: That's the height that's good, that's the aliens weren't ever

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Speaker 5: Is this film getting mainstream attention. I guess I haven't

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Speaker 3: I'm curious.

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Speaker 5: Because they thought it was going to reveal something new.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like shown in theaters level, you know what

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Speaker 5: And yeah, have you seen the poster? It kind of

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Speaker 3: Look it up real quick.

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Speaker 5: Do you think?

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Speaker 5: I mean rip off is strong, But I'm just saying

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Speaker 3: Well that's pretty flattering actually if they have. But also

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Speaker 2: There's the book.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it is a thing, y'all. It's pretty funny.

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Speaker 2: Dude, do you think gosh, yeah, new copier.

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Speaker 3: See y'all there, proper.

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Speaker 4: I love discovering these things.

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Speaker 3: And also, if you want to check out more of

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Speaker 3: Nick's work, I think he's fine with us saying this.

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Speaker 3: You can find him on Instagram. He also does a

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Speaker 5: And also like our book is still available in hardback,

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Speaker 5: of my favorites. There's like a hold on, like a

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00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 5: like a this guy right here we got made into

443
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 5: some pretty cool kind of what do you call it,

444
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 5: shiny metallic posters that I think we all have.

445
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 4: Yea, I love it. Good job the eyeball man.

446
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 3: And uh, he's he's got of our smoking man or

447
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 3: our our conspiracy Clippy.

448
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 4: As we go through that book.

449
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 5: Clippy is already a conspiracy unto himself. Man, that guy's

450
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 5: got his finger on the pulse or really was it was?

451
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 5: Clippy has little hands, don't he.

452
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 3: He's got an attitude, that's for sure.

453
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 5: I don't always care for his tone in my mom

454
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 5: picturing him with like Mickey Mouse, like white gloved hands.

455
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 5: But I don't think he has appendages that Clippy just

456
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 5: big eyeballs.

457
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 4: You know who's a real smoking man? Microsoft co pilot.

458
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: I don't know that guy. You don't have to Microsoft

459
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 3: co Pilot check out our AI episodes. Folks. Anyway, the

460
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: king Man is this Skindy Will Pearson Google search him,

461
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: you'll find him. Oh and just above their Connell Byrne

462
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: dun Dun Dun. So Look, we're not going to relitigate

463
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: that kind of stale back and forth about disclosure tonight. Instead,

464
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: we want to explore that thing that really struck us

465
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: like a bolt of lightning, like Colonel Kurtz says in Apocalypse,

466
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: now a diamond bullet right in your forehead. The idea

467
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: of the Legacy program or program for our brit friends,

468
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: okay in a nutshell, for the idea is that for

469
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: decades and decades and decades, the same people who can't

470
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: for the life of them, get a lot of progress

471
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: in the United States or get your taxes right, have

472
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 3: somehow run above top secret compartmentalized projects or series of

473
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: projects to retrieve crash UFOs. Not only do that, but

474
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: to reverse engineer them in hopes of, like you said,

475
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: no leveraging technology beyond the limits of human prowess. This

476
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: is according to the true believers, operated by elements of

477
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: the OSS and then the CIA, the US Air Force,

478
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: the Department of Energy, a rogues gallery of private defense contractors,

479
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: all of whom have allegedly retrieved crash vehicles and alien bodies.

480
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: And sh, don't tell anybody, even though it takes thousands

481
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: of us to do.

482
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: This for generations.

483
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 3: Sh Let's keep it a secret, because secrets are fun.

484
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: It's a cosmically tall milkshake. It's an extraordinary claim.

485
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: And how is all of that wrapped up in a

486
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: new Cold war that, according to the creators of the documentary,

487
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: is of more dire consequence than the nuclear energy and

488
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon battle that exists out there the Cold War?

489
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: For those hmm, yeah, yeah, before we move on, you

490
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 3: had a review of the film.

491
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 5: Why this is a user review or like you know,

492
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 5: one of the audience reviews in the Popcornometer, And I

493
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 5: think this speaks to both sides of what we were

494
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 5: talking about in its divisiveness. Maybe professional movie critics who

495
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 5: don't know a thing about how bureaucracy operates are disappointed

496
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 5: ET's Head wasn't trotted around on a spike. But for

497
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 5: anyone else has studied or worked with the federal government,

498
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 5: this movie is a revelation.

499
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And the thing about a revelation is technically

500
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: it has to be the realization of a greater truth,

501
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 3: this cosmically tall milkshake, this idea of a new Cold War,

502
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: which is very exciting to us for various personal reasons.

503
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: This could be a revelation, but to be revelation, it

504
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: also has to be factual. So our question that becomes,

505
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: is there really a legacy program like we have described,

506
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: and if so, how would we set about proving it.

507
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 3: We're going to make our level best attempt afterword from

508
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: our sponsors years where it gets crazy. All right, First

509
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: things first, we got to say it. This to me

510
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: and I think to all of us, this is one

511
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: of the coolest parts of this exploration. It is true

512
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: that empires retrieve non domestic technology whenever beat me here, Dylan,

513
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: whenever they can. It's such an old thing, like cast

514
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: your memory back to civilizations of yr. They were trying

515
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: to learn more about their enemy's toys. Oh that's a

516
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: long bow, let's steal it. If we survived this battle.

517
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: What the hell is that a rebouchet? You know what

518
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: I mean? They were always trying to find these weapons

519
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: war and the United States is no different. We've been

520
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: doing that since the late seventeen hundreds. There are multiple

521
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: programs that study down crash captured craft of all sorts

522
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: and types, planes and drones to satellites and especially submarines

523
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: and identified spacecraft. I mean, it's like World War One stuff.

524
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: I just like the concept of extra domestic weapons and technologies.

525
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: That's one. Yeah. I had this story years ago where

526
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: it's a short stories fiction as far as we know,

527
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: where the entire reason for one of the invasions of

528
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: a rock was to break into a museum and steal

529
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: ancient technology. But the acquisition of technology is a huge

530
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: driver of things like the Cold War, right, the race

531
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: for the atomic bomb, for example, or the race for

532
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: the meanest hypersonic missile, the old space race even yes, yeah,

533
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: just so man. And so with that in mind, is

534
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: it not logical for us to assume that if extra

535
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: terrestrial craft are a thing, we would then use a

536
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 3: similar process to learn as much as possible. So if

537
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: a legacy program of this sort does exist, it's not

538
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: a brand new thing. It's an extension of previous proven tactics.

539
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: You know, it's something that it's a process that people

540
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: would have been familiar with before. Because the US is

541
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: pretty good at committing acts of extra what if we

542
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: just say about killing, extra judicial killing, which is a

543
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: terrible thing as we record now and throughout the past,

544
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: but also extra national, extra national acquisitions. He goes way

545
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: past taking possession of a Russian shadow fleet tanker. They're

546
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: very good at it, so so much so that if

547
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: spaceship did exist in one part of the world, Uncle

548
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: Sham would be one of the top candidates to go

549
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: in there.

550
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: And take it.

551
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: Oh sure, I can't wait till we get to the

552
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: to the part euphemistically called unwarned access. Well.

553
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 5: The term legacy is really interesting too. Is something you

554
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 5: see in government programs and initiatives often to refer to

555
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 5: things they've done in the past that maybe aren't necessarily great,

556
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 5: but when you call them legacy, it gives it this

557
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 5: sort of positive sort of spin, I guess, you know,

558
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 5: like legacy nuclear waste cleanup and things like that. It

559
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 5: refers to all of the byproducts of you know, the

560
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 5: atomic bomb, the aforementioned atomic bomb that have to be

561
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 5: dealt with and that really there was not necessarily a

562
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 5: plan initially when all that stuff was produced in order

563
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 5: to win that race that we were talking about, And

564
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 5: now they call those legacy programs.

565
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a common nomenclature, and we'll see how

566
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: that leads to confusion as well.

567
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: And let's just remember it, guys, we're not the only

568
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: players in the game, according to the documentary, and that

569
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: gets into the Cold War aspect of it, right. Yeah,

570
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: the US has these existing things that we know about

571
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: because this is where we are, and we can read

572
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: things thanks to a couple of you know, a couple

573
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: acts that went through Congress where we can actually get

574
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: privy to some of the things, some of the programs

575
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: that have occurred in the past and how they function,

576
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: But we don't have any insight into let's say, Russian

577
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: programs or Chinese programs that the Age of Disclosure alleges

578
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: these countries have very similar, if not kind of the

579
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: exact same thing.

580
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as we expand the scope, we'll see more

581
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: and more about that. It reminds me of a point

582
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: that it feels always necessary to bring up when we

583
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: talk about MK Ultra or creepy experiments into psychic powers,

584
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: right and precognitive abilities. There was there were entirely separate

585
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: programs in the other Big Three that were doing the

586
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: same thing. It's something we return to again and again.

587
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: And speaking of return, who got a return to this

588
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: legacy thing? You raise such a great point, nol. We

589
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: always know that innocuous, boring names are a weapon themselves.

590
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: We know that bureaucracy creates and imposes its own relatively

591
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: arbitrary rules and then holds onto those rules even when

592
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 3: they're not useful any longer. And one of those is

593
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: naming stuff legacy. So if you hie thee to your

594
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: favorite Internet forum or platform, and you look back for

595
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: years far before the release of the Age of Disclosure,

596
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: you'll see people talking about something called the legacy program.

597
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: You'll see people further claiming hand on Kuran or hand

598
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: on the Bible that they have discovered proof of the

599
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: Department of Defense's legacy program. And get this, fellow conspiracy realist,

600
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: they're not blowing rainbows. There is a legacy resource management

601
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: program in the Department of Defense. But it's a big disappointment.

602
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, another wamp wamp. Sadly, it has nothing to do

603
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 5: with aliens. It has to do with funding initiatives to

604
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 5: protect natural and cultural resources that are found on military

605
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: bases and installations.

606
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 4: It's important, it's a thing.

607
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's it's definitely something that helps, you know,

608
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 5: encourage military readiness and promote military readiness while also contending

609
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 5: with perhaps some of the environmental risks and issues that

610
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 5: could come with some of these construction projects. Though I

611
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 5: you know, I mean not to pooh poo it or anything.

612
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 5: I tend to believe that they favor the installations over

613
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 5: the conservation.

614
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 3: Sounds like it covered me, guys, right, Yeah, sorry, native

615
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 3: people of this sovereign land. Nobody can come in here,

616
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: not because we're doing experiments, but because we're cleaning the

617
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: creek for fifteen years.

618
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

619
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: The reason why the entrance to Area fifty one is, oh,

620
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: I don't know how many miles away from the actual facility.

621
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: It's a conservation.

622
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh gosh, And don't go, guys, don't go. They

623
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: will shoot you. I know a couple of people who

624
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: got bird dog hard just for driving by and.

625
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: They didn't remember they had.

626
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 3: Past the sign.

627
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 5: They had that big old event, right, And our buddy

628
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 5: Jordan Runtogg went. I think he did a right up

629
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 5: about it for People magazine, and I don't think he

630
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 5: was shot at. But maybe you know, safety and numbers

631
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 5: that message.

632
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because there were so many people and was

633
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: telegraphed so far in advance. I'm talking about actually a

634
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: friend of the show in particular, who got out to

635
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 3: the sign that says go go further, you will be shot.

636
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: And even after even just getting within sight of the sign,

637
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: then military vehicles came out of nowhere and.

638
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 5: Chase them off like bumper to bumper.

639
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: It got harry.

640
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: So don't happen around X files.

641
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: Yes, in multiple episodes.

642
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: Just just for me, can we define bird dog I

643
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: just don't know what it means.

644
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, chicken hawk bird. You know, they got eyes

645
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 5: on you. They're coming hot and heavy.

646
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: But I'm still learning English, guys, forgive me in this

647
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: use in my head, bird dogging is like in a

648
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: card chase where somebody is on your tuckis following you aggressively,

649
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: right in a hostile manner. So we've actually I should

650
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: have said this before because I've been using it in

651
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: a couple of episodes.

652
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: In the past.

653
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: Sorry about that, but yeah, that's what it means. So

654
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: we also know that the Department of Energy and the

655
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: CIA get a little bit more interesting, uh, when we're

656
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: talking about stuff that could be legacy programm esque. Also

657
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: another badger in the bag here. This is kind of

658
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 3: the rhetorical we were talking about at the top. There's

659
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: been no institutional confirmation of any alien craft retrieval program.

660
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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, sometimes the US government doesn't

661
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Speaker 3: even admit when they retrieve non domestic mundane technology because

662
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Speaker 3: they don't want to play their hand right looking at

663
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Speaker 3: you nuclear subs and.

664
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Speaker 5: Just just for a flip perspective, since we are talking

665
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 5: a lot about this film, I mentioned an audience review.

666
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: Here is a critic review that addresses what you just mentioned.

667
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 5: Ben from Daniel Flemberg at the Hollywood Reporter. My problem

668
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 5: with the age of disclosure isn't the lack of opposing voices.

669
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Speaker 5: It's that there couldn't be experts debunking anything.

670
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Speaker 3: Here.

671
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 5: Nothing is proven and thus nothing can be refuted.

672
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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, hold of one. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

673
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: This is why there's been no institutional confirmation. Though for

674
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: the true believers to jump back on the other side, I.

675
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 5: See, that would be a justification. Of course, there isn't

676
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 5: because by design there isn't, you know.

677
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: Right well, they would also that admission or confirmation would

678
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: also inherently require official institutional confirmation that extraterrestrials exist at

679
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: a visited Earth, so they.

680
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 5: They're just not going to do they wouldn't do they

681
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 5: wouldn't do it. That's not it's not in the best

682
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 5: interest of the government, so be transparent to its citizenry

683
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 5: when it comes to stuff like this.

684
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Speaker 2: Is this where we bring in the Executive Order one two, three,

685
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: five six of the Atomic Energy Act of nineteen fifty

686
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: four that brought us these glorious things called special access programs,

687
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: These things that are so compartmentalized within a governmental organization,

688
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: not only a handful of people potentially even know about them.

689
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 5: They're talking about firewalled stuff like like literally wheels within

690
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 5: wheels of people who have access to the siloed information.

691
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Speaker 3: Right, stuff you have to be read on, is what

692
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Speaker 3: we call.

693
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Speaker 2: It, to the point where the government itself likely doesn't

694
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: know or in many cases, especially the government that has

695
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: you know, people who get elect did to it that

696
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: they have no idea about.

697
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 5: And that's the smoking man of it all. That's what

698
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 5: that character represents, is that the degree of insulation from

699
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 5: even the actual powers that be, there are these operations

700
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 5: within the greater government that even the greater government is

701
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 5: not aware of and that's by design too, but it's

702
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: also inherently like dangerous and flawed. I'm not saying that

703
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 5: what the X files is positing is true, but I

704
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 5: think that's what they're trying to represent, that these types

705
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 5: of things likely do exist.

706
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: And we do see a lot of what we do

707
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: see is the opposite of official confirmation or coquettish implication. Instead,

708
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: we have a lot of stark denials. I'm thinking in

709
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: particular of the twenty twenty four report from ARROW, the

710
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which is a pretty cool

711
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: job if you can get it. They dove deep into

712
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 3: the files that they were they're part of the system,

713
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: was allowed to see, and they said there's no evidence

714
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 3: of anything like a legacy program, definitely not a singular

715
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 3: legacy program, but also nothing remotely like it. They said

716
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: that people have either accidentally or willfully confused the alien

717
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: legacy with projects that have similar names, or they've fallen

718
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 3: into something very dangerous, which we call circular reporting. That's

719
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: when one person makes an unproven claim, like Tennessee says,

720
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Speaker 3: that's Dylan the Tennessee pel Fagan, our producer. By the way, Yes, yep,

721
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: we're introduced at the top of every show. Tennessee says, yeah,

722
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: Dylan Tennessee, pel Fagan says, it is confirmed that the

723
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: fast food chain Pals is now making case idellas Dylan

724
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 3: has no proof, but somebody else reads that and they

725
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: quote what he said, and then later people quote the

726
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: person who quoted Tennessee, and then the original source might

727
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: update and say, oh, update, I have confirmed this is

728
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: true because I read this quote in another even though

729
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: that source was quoting me. This happens all the time

730
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: in the echo chamber of the internet.

731
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 5: Well, and also, I mean now that, like whatever major

732
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 5: news outlets are having to play in the same ecosystem

733
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 5: as the Internet, you get a lot of knee jerk

734
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: bits of reporting from them as well, you know, not

735
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 5: naming names specifically, but it certainly happens. And it's a

736
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 5: lot harder to retract something after a splashy headline than

737
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 5: it is to report something correctly in the first place.

738
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the initial breathless claim. That's the headline

739
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 3: that's on the sixty one. The retraction is next week

740
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: on page thirty two b below the fold back. When

741
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: people read newspapers, we know that the mainstream public in

742
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: the United States largely agrees with this official explanation. Pew

743
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: Research polls will show us that fifty one percent of

744
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: the US public believes that UFOs reported by people in

745
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: the military are likely evidence of intelligent life outside of Earth,

746
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: but they're not worried about it because the same people

747
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: in polls, eighty seven percent of them will say UFOs

748
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: are not a threat at all. So people will tend

749
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: to the public will tend to believe in UFOs with

750
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: an extra terrestrial origin story, but they also tend to

751
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: not be worried about them.

752
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: Man, what is happening upside me? We're not afraid of

753
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: AI uprisings anymore, We're not afraid of UAP, and a

754
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: who's not who's not afraid of AI.

755
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 5: We're all like, yay AI, give me that breaks me

756
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 5: out beyond anything. No, no living times for sure. But

757
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 5: you're right about the alien fatigue or the UAP fatigue.

758
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 5: It certainly does not seem to be front of mind anymore,

759
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 5: and in the way that it has been in the past.

760
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: I remember when some big disclosure news came out amid

761
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: the high of the COVID pandemic and everybody just sort

762
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 3: of shrugged and said, Okay, I mean cool, I got

763
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: I got a lot going on.

764
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: What's up with toilet paper prices?

765
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 5: But again, a lot of the stuff that came out

766
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,479
Speaker 5: was just a nothing burgers as people want to say.

767
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 5: I do wonder. There's a big old blockbuster coming out

768
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 5: later this year from Steven Spielberg called Disclosure Day. I

769
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 5: saw the trailer for it last week and it looks good,

770
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 5: looks very you know, like him his return to form

771
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: in terms of like some of his alien type films

772
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 5: like ET and what is it Close Encounters of course,

773
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 5: of course, of course I do wonder if that will

774
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 5: be zeitgeist enough to get people thinking about this stuff again.

775
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: But we'll see, oh, one hundred percent. I'd also I'd

776
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: like to go ahead and tease a show that Dylan

777
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: and I are quite excited about the hits on the

778
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: Nexus of Film and Disclosure and UFOs. It's called Sound,

779
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 3: Light and Frequency, and it's heading to you very soon.

780
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: We'll be talked talking more about it in the future.

781
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: But we are as pleased as NASA when astronauts landed

782
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 3: on the Moon.

783
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 4: To tell you more about that in the coming days.

784
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 5: Sure they did. Now that's awesome. That I'm excited about

785
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 5: this show, Dylan.

786
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 3: You know what, why don't you do the odders here?

787
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a show that's the intersection of Hollywood UFOs

788
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 5: and disclosure. Sounds incredible.

789
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: So a lot of folks logically find it tough to

790
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: believe a vast program is not just monitoring alien life,

791
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: but capturing alien life and craft and functioning in secrecy.

792
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: But this is the rhetorical trap I was teasing at

793
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: the top. The true believers and those who appear to

794
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: be in the know say the secrecy is more than

795
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: successful because of the compartmentalization. This is information that is

796
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: firewalled off such that Congress doesn't really know about it,

797
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 3: the Secretary of Defense doesn't really know about it. The

798
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: President of the United States from either political party doesn't

799
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: know about it. And this is why Alessando is so

800
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: interesting to us, because he has repeatedly stated that he

801
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 3: had a big problem with this compartmentalization, that he made

802
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: a moral choice to resign rather than continue this charade

803
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: upon the American public. And then a lot of other

804
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: people who also seem to be in the know, folks

805
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: like James Clapper, they disagree with the idea that aliens

806
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: are not harmful. They say that any unidentified aerial phenomena

807
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: doesn't need to be extraterrestrial to be a threat. They're

808
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 3: national security guys. Clapper is a big deal. He served

809
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: in the Air Force between sixty three and ninety five.

810
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: In Age of Disclosure, where he is interviewed, he talks

811
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: about tracking anomalous activities that couldn't be explained, especially around

812
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: Area fifty one or Groom Lake. It sounds a lot

813
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: like the Legacy program. He also goes into the private

814
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: defense industry later. I don't know, man, it seems it

815
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 3: seems paranoid, but it also makes a lot of sense.

816
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Clappering, the official military folks that are in

817
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: the documentary are extremely concerned with America's nuclear readiness and

818
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: some of the silos that are out there in the Midwest,

819
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 2: and how you know, there are these alleged incidents where

820
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: unknown lights craft things in the sky caused a bunch

821
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: of the nukes to go offline. And then you know,

822
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: that's stated to you plainly as though it's full, full

823
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: on fact in the documentary, and that is something that

824
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: is that's something we've heard about for years, right, there

825
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: have been rumors about that kind of thing, But you

826
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: don't have a piece of paper or a video or

827
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: anything like that that proves that that ever occurred. But

828
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: if you've got somebody like a James Clapper saying that

829
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: it happened, then it seems like maybe it happened.

830
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he was He's also the former Director of

831
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 3: National Intelligence. And this is something I think we need

832
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: to be very clear about for anybody who's unfamiliar with

833
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: this genre of government official. This cold war hawk not

834
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: a stereotype but a trope. These guys could not give

835
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: less of a dang whether or not aliens are involved.

836
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: Their focus is on what is a threat to national security?

837
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 3: Anything that violates sovereign airspace could endanger aviation, which makes

838
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: it a threat to the country. So this how far

839
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: they go with it. If the government of China had

840
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: literal dragons like smau in Lord of the Rings or

841
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 3: the Hobbit, if they had dragons like the Valerians or something,

842
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: or if Russia had I don't know, ginormous war geese,

843
00:47:53,320 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 3: nuclear armed war geese just haul again through this right.

844
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 5: That's my nightmare.

845
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: What if that happened?

846
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: The cockroaches that were actually like full on robots, but

847
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: the size of cockroaches.

848
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, we're getting there.

849
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: Those that third example that's real though, the cockbots. Uh,

850
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: and that's that's what they're called.

851
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't believe you, but I also totally believe you.

852
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: Also X Files episode.

853
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 3: So this is the issue though. We're saying that this

854
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: documentary of course focuses on the extra terrestrial question, but

855
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: some of the folks interviewed or talking just in terms

856
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: of national security, drones and weather balloons can also fall

857
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: into this category of compromising airspace, as we saw a

858
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: few years back.

859
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 5: Any bogies bogeys of any I love the word bogies.

860
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: Who doesn't look at you? You a little bogie. I've

861
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: been just a little shoot you down? Yeah, you a

862
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: little bogey fighting those foods. Anyway, again and again, even

863
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 3: before this documentary published last year, we see repeated allegations

864
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: that this or some sort of retrieval program like it exists.

865
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: So maybe, just as a thought experiment, why don't we assume,

866
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: just for funzies, that the legacy program is real. Maybe

867
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: walk through a purported timeline and a little bit of

868
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: how stuff works.

869
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 5: We love how stuff works, and a thought experiment how

870
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 5: stuff could works. Indeed, be right back.

871
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: A legacy timeline, a bit of how stuff works in

872
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 3: our thought experiment. The story begins not in the United

873
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: States but in Italy way back in nineteen thirty three,

874
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: per David Grush and a couple of other folks. This

875
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: is when a bell shaped object was recovered and it

876
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: was placed under a media blackout, and then later the

877
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: OSS is the short predecessor of the CIA. They obtained

878
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: this object, they found it amid the chaos of World

879
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: War II, and at the close of the war they

880
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: spirited it away hashtagnugibli to the States. And this is

881
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: to people like Rush. This is illustrative of later operations,

882
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: tactical patterns, blackout, local recovery, diplomatic parkour, and then transfer

883
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 3: to US custody, all in secret and do do Do

884
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: do dooo. Please check out our series on the OSS.

885
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: It is an amazing story and it is so crazy.

886
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: The stuff they pulled in.

887
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 5: Is the Office of Strategic Services, which was like a

888
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 5: wartime intelligence agency that was sort of the precursor to

889
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 5: the CIA, like you mentioned, Ben.

890
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, sir, they're wild boys.

891
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: So we're thinking here that nineteen thirty three, whatever this

892
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 2: thing is, it crashes out there. Right then during all

893
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: of the build up I guess to World War two,

894
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: like in between thirty three and then thirty nine, which is,

895
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: you know, officially whatever. The start of World War Two,

896
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: it was secreted away by let's say the Italian government,

897
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: and then it's hidden and then the OSS gets a

898
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: hold of it during World War two, and there's actual

899
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 2: battles and everything occurring.

900
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, during the chaos of World War Two. The sometime

901
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: during the actual war, the OSS grabs this and at

902
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: the close of the war is when they get it

903
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: over the pollen to the U States.

904
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: So it was like discovered and then then as the

905
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 2: secret mission or whatever it is to actually extract it occurs.

906
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: That's good, yeah, and it sets this precedent, and from

907
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: there the US approach to recovering this anomalous stuff becomes

908
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 3: kind of formulaic. It's sort of procedural. Right now, it's

909
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: just a technical problem. It's just a matter of the logistics.

910
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 3: People aren't necessarily super duper excited. There's probably some guide

911
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: in office rolling his eyes and going ugh, now, I

912
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: need like seven fake passports to keep him.

913
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 5: In my case, with my loose diamonds.

914
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: Right, yes, which would be great. That would that would work?

915
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 4: Actually, that's where I know you from.

916
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: Okay, So do we know the.

917
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 3: See?

918
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: I guess we can't. It's in other things that we

919
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: can't prove. I'm thinking about the history of the Groom

920
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: Lake facilities there Mount Nevada, and you know, officially on

921
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: paper if you look up things online, it's not established

922
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: until the nineteen fifties. But I do wonder in the

923
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 2: contiguous United States, where would you bring that craft? Right?

924
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 2: Let's just theoretically, if if you got that craft from Italy,

925
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: where do you take it?

926
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 5: And how do you transport it like without being noticed

927
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 5: as well?

928
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: Yeah? Cargo ship? Wow? I see? Or how big is

929
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: it too? That's the only thing we need to know,

930
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: the dementia, because would it be a combination of flying

931
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: it out somewhere which is way faster than just popping

932
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: it on a train convoy or something.

933
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 4: I don't know.

934
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: This is cool. I love this stuff, you guys know me.

935
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: I have a sucker for this stuff. Deep government secrets,

936
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 3: ancient or aliad relics. Sign us up.

937
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: What is the giant military plane that's used commonly for

938
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: like cargo is that right? No, I think it is

939
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 2: Sea one thirty.

940
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sea one thirty now, and are you talking about

941
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 3: like back in the day.

942
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to imagine what would be the large

943
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: enough aircraft, right because I can't just can't stop thinking

944
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: about this, man, the actual things that you the stuff

945
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 2: you would use at that time, and then what would

946
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: the decision be. And in that moment, let's say we

947
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: all discovered a craft, right, just the four of us.

948
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: Oh, hey guys walking around, five of the five of us,

949
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: because you're here too, So, hey, guys, we found a craft.

950
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 3: Hey guys, look AT's a craft. What do we do

951
00:53:58,840 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: with it?

952
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 2: Well, don't mean really, and you would use everything you

953
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: have on hand because it would be an emergency, right right,

954
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: like you can't Okay, well, we need to develop something

955
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: that's gonna be big enough to transfer this. You just

956
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: use what you got, which is I think the most

957
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: interesting part of this because as we're going back through

958
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: and imagining this, if the Legacy program is real, there's

959
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: gonna be stuff if it is real, if it was real,

960
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 2: there's stuff that we saw or maybe was reported on.

961
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: There was a part of this thing that you know

962
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: has a completely innocuous version of it that we all

963
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: somehow know, oh.

964
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Yeah, I think about that all the

965
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: time when because our fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia is

966
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,959
Speaker 3: a city where aviation and train lines took the role

967
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: that was historically filled by waterways and rivers and coast

968
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: so it's very common for us to see things like

969
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 3: military equipment passing by on a train line through the city.

970
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 3: Here's what strikes me. We hope you enjoy this, two folks.

971
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: If you're ever stopped and you're watching a train go by,

972
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: just start thinking about what might be in those cargo

973
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: containers every time?

974
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and when will it end?

975
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: Train?

976
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 5: So you can, you know, go on your merrywag.

977
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: Ye dude is for real speaking of and don't want

978
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: to get to polycharged right now, guys. But did anyone

979
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: see the posts about the large shipments of ice trucks

980
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: on the way Not for the ice storm?

981
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 5: No, No, they're like in those types of vehicles that

982
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 5: you see carrying like, you know, cars to be sold

983
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 5: or whatever, stats trailer things. Yeah. I saw some posts

984
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 5: that people had, you know, made videos from their cars.

985
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

986
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: I hope I make it back to the states man.

987
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 5: We hope you do too bad. Yeah, please come back.

988
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 5: It's great over here.

989
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love it so we We also know the

990
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 3: film mentions Halloman Air Force Space the incident there in

991
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one. This stands out because it purportedly involves

992
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: non human intelligent beings interacting with personnel from the CIA

993
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: and the US Air Force. Like they came up and

994
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 3: they said, what's good, you guys. We've got an exciting

995
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: new thing we call velcrow. You gotta check it out.

996
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 3: And man, they said, and they said, well to us,

997
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 3: you're the aliens tots.

998
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 5: Oh my god, mind blown galaxy brain. There's no chance

999
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 5: that they would just be instantly able to just like

1000
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 5: kick it like that.

1001
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 3: They were that chill.

1002
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 5: I saw Independence Day.

1003
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: We've talked about it before with movies like Arrival of

1004
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: a Thought experiment like the Language of It.

1005
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 6: No possible way, yeah, right, unless there's just something that

1006
00:56:54,200 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 6: we don't understand about where in time space from perspective

1007
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 6: to mension these visitors came from right, and if they

1008
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 6: are of in some way that we just don't understand

1009
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 6: right now, they.

1010
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: Could communicate maybe right or get you to understand.

1011
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 5: There could be technology involved. I suppose, right, like in

1012
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 5: the dolphins.

1013
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: Something that can make a look squence exactly if the

1014
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: humans have figured out how to give dolphins LSD and

1015
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: how to make Google Translate apps, obviously hopefully the aliens

1016
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 3: are way better. There would also be well, we'll see,

1017
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: we're being anthrocentric here, because this could be something that

1018
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 3: is so incomprehensible, this culture, this organism, this communicative priority

1019
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: or medium, that there could be no real way to

1020
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: efficiently communicate past a very basic level.

1021
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 5: You know.

1022
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: It's it's a problem that's fascinating. I love the way

1023
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 3: Rival tackles it. Please read the original short story, and

1024
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 3: I love the I love the concept too that tried

1025
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: so or not to just do dumb alien improv riffs.

1026
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: But I love the concept that it's a very real

1027
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: dangerous concept that humans could accidentally innocuously do something of

1028
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: great offense or something that is seen as posing a danger.

1029
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, like what if hydrogen sulfide or

1030
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: any of the other of those fart gases. What if

1031
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: those are absolute anathema and poison to aliens and somebody

1032
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: is stressed out understandably when they meet the aliens.

1033
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 4: They're like, hey, guys, what's up. We're sick. Aliens want

1034
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 4: to hang out. Have you guys heard of Velcrow?

1035
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 3: And this one guy goes, oh no, And then two

1036
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: aliens die and now we're in our first innergalactic.

1037
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 5: War die or are incredibly offended, as they should be

1038
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 5: because that's gross. And then just you know, pull the

1039
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 5: nuke lever and we all, you know, poof, And that

1040
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 5: was our story.

1041
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: Also, one of the assumptions that a lot of Hollywood

1042
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: film makes, and a lot of sci fi too, is

1043
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: the assumption that extraterrestrials visiting are their civilization's equivalent of

1044
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: a crack team of experts. There is no proof that

1045
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 3: we're getting visited by the top brass, you know what

1046
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 3: I mean? Yeah, I mean yeah.

1047
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 5: There's the Aquatine episode Okatane Hunger Forces, where it's these

1048
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 5: like kind of stoner aliens whose dad owns a dealership

1049
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 5: and they're like, you know, uh oh wit no. It's

1050
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 5: also ignig Knock and err who are completely you know,

1051
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 5: unqualified to be you know, making first contact. So I

1052
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 5: love that version of events. Ben, I think that's entirely likely.

1053
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 5: These were just like folks that's intergalactically stumbled upon us

1054
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 5: and didn't really.

1055
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: Have a plare we go? They took a wrong turn

1056
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: at serious beat. That's a Dogon reference, folks.

1057
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 2: Oh snow, I don't know what that is. Do Petrie who?

1058
00:59:55,160 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, who allegedly had advanced knowledge of serious A and

1059
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: B before the dawn of modern astronomy.

1060
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 5: Okay, I thought you were talking about Dagon, the HP

1061
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 5: Lovecraft adaptation also great, very well, you know, problematic but

1062
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 5: great writer. Some made some banger stories for sureoted for our.

1063
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 4: Interview with Dagon.

1064
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No, not talking about Lovecraft.

1065
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 5: Are you talking about Dagon the Infernal One?

1066
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: Yes?

1067
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 5: He is good. Hang good? Hang that guy, good good?

1068
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: Hang Love's yacht rock?

1069
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: Oh man. So when we're talking about the non human

1070
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: biologics of all of this stuff that you know, folks

1071
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: have stated in Congress, and we're talking about right here

1072
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 2: Holloman Air Force Base nineteen seventy one potentially beings, right,

1073
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: biological beings of some sort, it makes me think of

1074
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: our explorations in all kinds of topics, like Project Bluebeam,

1075
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: talking about a AI in the past, talking about space

1076
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 2: exploration and the limits of the limits of biological entities. Sure,

1077
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 2: it just makes me wonder why in the heck you

1078
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: would make that decision, no matter where you're from, no

1079
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 2: matter what technology level you're at, Why would you send

1080
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: a biological entity down to greet the people rather than

1081
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: some kind of pro that can communicate whatever.

1082
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but then that that's a great question.

1083
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 3: It also goes back to not just ideas of physical

1084
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: personal safety, right, which the same reason we send unmanned

1085
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 3: stuff deep into the ocean, but it also goes to

1086
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 3: the idea of a culture that humans simply don't know about,

1087
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: so it may be incredibly important, indeed sacrisynct to their

1088
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 3: diplomatic process.

1089
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to slarg the girth, kid, or it's

1090
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: not an official, you know, meeting of another species.

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Speaker 5: Is that the same as drops them sklang scracks them.

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01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 3: I never get it, right, is it? If your fami

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01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: it is? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Well, also, you know, it also presupposes that it's not

1095
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 5: your last idea, Ben, that they're just sort of like,

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01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 5: you know, stoner alien wanderers that sort of just like

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01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 5: found a way, you know, because their technology is good

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01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 5: enough that they could just accidentally breathe Earth's atmosphere, or

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01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 5: perhaps they're desperate and they don't have the technology, or

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01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 5: they have to like brave you know, the atmosphere in

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01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 5: order to make contact because they need help or something.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, there's a million you're to cut it.

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01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that too. Know, we're we're the last

1104
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 3: gas station in the desert, it's cosmically speaking, so they've

1105
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: got to fuel up. You know what if they.

1106
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: Need hydrogen sulfide for fuel bin right right.

1107
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 3: I think of that same thing too.

1108
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: Man.

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01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: It's like for anybody who's ever been on a road trip,

1110
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: it's a formative experience for many of US Americans. I

1111
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 3: think we've all been in that situation where you got

1112
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: to go to the sketchy gas station, you know what

1113
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 3: I mean.

1114
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 5: Or that stretch where you've miscalculated slightly and now you

1115
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 5: really have no choice and you may well have to

1116
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 5: stop at the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, you know, filling station,

1117
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 5: because that's the only one for miles and miles and miles,

1118
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 5: and the alternative is to just like be dead in

1119
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 5: the water, as it were.

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Speaker 3: I will never be able to listen to that Dwight

1121
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: Yoakam song the same way again. It Yeah, man, you

1122
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 3: know what, well, we know that all of the experts

1123
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 3: in age of disclosure are unable or unwilling to disclose

1124
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 3: exactly how many events like Roswell or the Italy episode

1125
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 3: or Holloman have occurred. They say it probably ranges in

1126
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 3: the double digits, especially during the height of the First

1127
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 3: Cold War. And they said a lot of times they

1128
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 3: retrieved craft remnants or what they call artifacts, or what

1129
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 3: they call exotic materials. But as you were saying, Matt,

1130
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 3: they also claim to have recovered non human biologics that's

1131
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 3: a term that gets thrown around a lot, or organic remains,

1132
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 3: some kind of you know, something like that, right, something

1133
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 3: quote unquote natural. And this is what drove the program,

1134
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: the Legacy program, to an even higher level of secrecy,

1135
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 3: which is hard. It's already a tall milkshake. As we said, essentially,

1136
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 3: they're same Finding netto non organic material is amazing, it's

1137
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: tikety boo. It's all well and good. But discovering organic

1138
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 3: material raises some deep legal and moral questions and then

1139
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 3: serious concerns about possible threats to public health. You know

1140
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 3: what I mean, because we know what happens historically on

1141
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 3: planet Earth when one culture intrudes upon another. They never

1142
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 3: come alone. They come with diseases, they come with pathogens,

1143
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 3: and the local population historically is not prepared for those. Yeah,

1144
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 3: space measles, spacepox, space pox, that's the there, it is, spacebox.

1145
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: But we're also not ready for the tech, right, which

1146
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: is another huge part of this documentary, the concept that

1147
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: along with these non human biologics, they've got very specific

1148
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: pieces of tech that have been reverse engineered to become things.

1149
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 2: In the documentary they say they don't specifically say what technologies,

1150
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,479
Speaker 2: but we might infer I know, I did a little

1151
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: bit when it comes to what type of tech has

1152
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: been recovered. You think about your phone, You think about sure,

1153
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: certain networking capabilities that we have now, the speed and

1154
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 2: the size of some of the tech that we use now,

1155
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: stuff on the nanoscale, stuff when you know, when you're

1156
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: looking at modern technology and how quickly stuff has developed.

1157
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 3: Material science is another.

1158
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can imagine that, or you can let yourself imagine, oh,

1159
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 2: some of this is probably alien.

1160
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 3: M oh, absolutely, especially when you consider it sound like

1161
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 3: such an old entity now, especially when you consider we

1162
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 3: can make a great case that human civilization is still

1163
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 3: not prepared for stuff like the radio or television.

1164
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 5: Well in terms of like our cognition or like God forbid,

1165
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,919
Speaker 5: we even bring the Internet into the equation. Like it's

1166
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 5: just like it's almost unnatural the way we've become so in,

1167
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 5: you know, all in on some of this technology. It's

1168
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 5: almost like we were never really meant for it, and

1169
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 5: it has fundamentally changed the way our cognition works, not

1170
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 5: for the better.

1171
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly right.

1172
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 3: The society has not evolved in step with technological innovation,

1173
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 3: and human beings have not physically evolved to process, to

1174
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 3: efficiently process, to deal with all the stuff that's happening.

1175
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 3: It's a very exciting time to be alive. Some of

1176
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 3: the scary stuff here that we're talking about is a

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: real world concerned of global governments, especially the stories of

1178
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: things that exhibited what they're calling ionization effects. These might

1179
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 3: pose a danger to surrounding materials, like change the color

1180
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 3: of paint on vehicles affect humans, possibly radiating them and

1181
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: leading to cancer or leading to burns. We're going to

1182
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 3: get moored to that in part two of our series here,

1183
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 3: but we have to let you know, folks. One of

1184
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: the most believable parts of the story is the bureaucratic

1185
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 3: description that they boiled it down to grab a thing,

1186
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 3: get it to the nerds, analyze it, and give it

1187
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 3: to our specific folks like the Atomic Energy Commission, the CIA,

1188
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 3: the DOE. Because when we do that, they're getting bureaucratic cover.

1189
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 3: This indemnifies you from some of the legal stuff we

1190
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, like feuer request. It gets you out of

1191
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 3: or invisible from a regulatory audit. You don't have to

1192
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 3: tell the president. This alien is, you know, just for us,

1193
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 3: just as a treat for us. We know that defense

1194
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 3: contractors begin playing and easingly large role because they're private firms,

1195
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 3: they work differently. It's way easier to sneak stuff under

1196
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 3: the Skunk Works radar, right, and they already by this

1197
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 3: point post World War Two, they have a pretty well

1198
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: proven track record of being able to keep a secret,

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01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 3: so they're vetted entities.

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01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and Congress can't compel the folks over at

1201
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: Skunk Works right to disclose their information on their proprietary technology.

1202
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, sorry, trade secret. You guys wouldn't ask Coca Cola.

1203
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 3: So why are you picking on us? Which is terrifying,

1204
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 3: but that is kind of the logic and you're absolutely

1205
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 3: right there, Matt and we fast forward to two thousand

1206
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 3: and three, we see our good friends at the CIA,

1207
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 3: the Directorate of Science and Technology. They've created something called

1208
01:08:54,600 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 3: the Office of Global Access or UGA, like O Good anyway.

1209
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 3: UGA's job is to access what we call denied environments

1210
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 3: across the planet once a craft is detected. These guys

1211
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 3: again allegedly work with elite military outfits, you know, the

1212
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 3: real GYT guys, Delta and Seals and so on. They

1213
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 3: send them in to acquire whatever this thing is by

1214
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 3: hook or by crook, and that brings us to something

1215
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 3: that might not be familiar to everybody. Sack the Special

1216
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 3: Activities Center of the CIA, which I believe we've mentioned

1217
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 3: in a couple of different episodes over the years. This

1218
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 3: is the cinematic kind of special ops group of the CIA,

1219
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 3: directly descended from the paramilitary operations of the OSS. These

1220
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 3: are the guys who don't wear uniforms. These are the

1221
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 3: dudes and dodets who, if they are compromised, will be

1222
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 3: thrown to the Wolves and the wind Right. Their activities

1223
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 3: will be disavowed if they're caught. They're never anywhere official.

1224
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 3: Nothing they've ever done officially occurred. The euphemism for what

1225
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: these folks do in the Legacy program is unwarned access.

1226
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 3: That's a spooky one't folks of the government. Yeah right,

1227
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: they're like the uh they're the B and E guys

1228
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: on they're the breaking and entering guys on a much

1229
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 3: fancier level. They we were joking earlier about crafting dummy passports.

1230
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 3: These guys don't really need them.

1231
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've ever been nervous about some black Hawk helicopters.

1232
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: It's these guys.

1233
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not officially, because nothing they do is official.

1234
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 3: Unwarned access is just so tar and spooky, man because

1235
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 3: that literally means that these guys will, at the direction

1236
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 3: of OGA. According to this story, these guys will just

1237
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 3: drop by. They don't knock, they don't send a text,

1238
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 3: they don't call, They just show up outside tran because

1239
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 3: a spaceship landed there. So okay, so we've got our process.

1240
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 3: Once the CIA and the military do their bit, any

1241
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 3: retrieved material goes to the contractors and their vaults for analysis.

1242
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:20,480
Speaker 3: So this does two things. It gives us cover right bureaucratically,

1243
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 3: and then it also gives us some chances to start

1244
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 3: reverse engineering. And then at the same time, the Department

1245
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 3: of Energy has their own cabal of very intelligent nerds

1246
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 3: who get any anything that could be.

1247
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 4: Anything that could.

1248
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 3: Be associated with radioactive activity or unexplained emissions of energy,

1249
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 3: and they look at stuff that's also on you know,

1250
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 3: the weird end of the periodic table, the weird material science.

1251
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: So the Office of Global Access is a real thing.

1252
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 3: Yes, it is a real thing, and it.

1253
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 2: Is c I A. Huh, that's very strong. I mean

1254
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 2: it does that does seem like the actual collection arm

1255
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 2: you know that that would that could function if it

1256
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: was necessary for and an activity like this to collect

1257
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 2: a crashed vessel or something.

1258
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you uh, that's the thing, Matt. It's it

1259
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 3: feels sticky, right, guys, because we already are talking about

1260
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 3: such a covert secretive intelligence arm in the first place, right,

1261
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 3: we we found mentions of UGAT on a CIA dot

1262
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 3: gov themselves. And then for people who think this really

1263
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 3: is the thing or the key to the legacy program,

1264
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 3: they're going to say, of course, you can't learn much

1265
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 3: about it because it's secret. Right, So again there's that

1266
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 3: rhetorical trap, and I don't know, I'd like the question

1267
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 3: then becomes Okay, the only way for all of this

1268
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 3: to happen with so many people and still maintain opsec

1269
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 3: and secrecy would be for not everybody to know the

1270
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 3: entire process, right, Like you might be flying the plane

1271
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 3: that transports a thing, but you don't know the thing

1272
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 3: you're transporting. You just fly stuff. You're just Jason Statham

1273
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 3: the transporter, dude.

1274
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 2: Let's read quickly from THECIA dot gov website says, the

1275
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: Directorate of Science and Technology applies innovative scientific, engineering and

1276
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 2: technical solutions in support of our foreign intelligence mission. Let's see,

1277
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 2: it's going into confronting intelligence problems with effective targeting, bold technology,

1278
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: and superb tradecraft. Yeah, isn't it weird when when something

1279
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: like the CIA has so many sub organizations with such

1280
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 2: specific things that they do. Yeah, doesn't it make you

1281
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 2: think of special access programs?

1282
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm no, you're on base. It's a home run.

1283
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 3: It's the subprograms are necessary evil for sure, and not

1284
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 3: all of obviously, not all of them are related to aliens,

1285
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 3: and not all unworn access operations are related to aliens. Right,

1286
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 3: they might just go grab a cold Maduro. At some point,

1287
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 3: these things existed independently of UFOs, And I love that

1288
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 3: we're mentioning Science and Technology, because Age of Disclosure argues

1289
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 3: that if anybody knows the full picture, it would be

1290
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 3: the director of CIA Science and Tech. During the timeframe

1291
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 3: that Age of Disclosure discusses, this role was filled by

1292
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 3: someone named Dawn Marry X and the this person made

1293
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 3: no comment obviously, and no one's serting currently in the USAF,

1294
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 3: the CIA, the DOE, or any other associated agency has

1295
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 3: officially confirmed the acquisition of extraterrestrial craft or the stuff

1296
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 3: described in the film. True believers are convinced again that

1297
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 3: all these things, these objects are somewhere just off to

1298
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 3: the side outside of the frame, but skeptics argue this

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Speaker 3: is a best a misunderstanding, at worst a cynical grift,

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Speaker 3: and we have so so much more to get to. Guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited that we we've made the call to create

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Speaker 3: a two parter out of this.

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Speaker 5: More than enough material we found to justify it, and

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Speaker 5: I think we've Matt brought some really cool information that

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Speaker 5: we're going to lead off with in the second episode.

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Speaker 3: You want to tease some of that map.

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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, sure, this is just again kind of what

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Speaker 2: we did in the In the second part of this episode,

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Speaker 2: we're just gaming out right, what could be with what exists?

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Speaker 2: What could be a part of this thing if it

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Speaker 2: did exist? And we're just going to go down rabbit

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Speaker 2: more rabbit holes like we did right here with the

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Speaker 2: CIA Directorate of Science and Technology, which is I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it's tricksy, it sure is weird.

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Speaker 4: Oh, let's get in.

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Speaker 3: I had so much of that stuff. Let's get it.

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Speaker 3: If we're game, let's get into more of that in

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Speaker 3: part two as well. Now, our ideal outcome vote and

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Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm saying this, but hope springs Eternal.

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Speaker 3: Our ideal outcome would be between the time we record

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Speaker 3: chapter one of this series and the time we record

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Speaker 3: chapter two of this series, world governments come out and

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Speaker 3: confirmed that aliens are real, and an alien takes the

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Speaker 3: podium and tells us you know, about what's going on

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Speaker 3: with them, and hopefully they're chill.

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Speaker 5: I would like, am I picturing Mars attacks? I don't

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Speaker 5: know why that is where my mind goes immediately.

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Speaker 3: I just love the idea, like what if before we

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 3: get while we're still on the road, before we get

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Speaker 3: to chapter two, we get confirmation that aliens are real?

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Speaker 3: I say, we still do the episode just say the course, man,

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Speaker 3: we worked so hard on it, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's what That's what all the heads of these special

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Speaker 2: access programs say. It's too late, We're already in too

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Speaker 2: far critical mass boys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they we'll get one of those. Weird. It'll be

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Speaker 3: like when Wiki leaks had its heyday and the US

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Speaker 3: government had to release this official statement telling all government employees,

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Speaker 3: we know this is out there and you can read it,

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Speaker 3: but guys, technically it is still classified, so just don't

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Speaker 3: google it. Okay.

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Speaker 2: When the alien just comes down and just says, gets

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Speaker 2: out of the spaceship and says, do unto others as

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01:17:58,680 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 2: you would have done unto you.

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Speaker 5: I bring you love, I bring you peace. Simpsons did it?

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Speaker 5: Matt Simpsons did it?

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Speaker 2: I was is this guy named Jesus?

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Speaker 3: I would like him to land and say, uh, I

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Speaker 3: would like, I'm still in love with very fart based

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Speaker 3: alien civilization. So they go who onto others as you

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01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 3: would have them who on to you and too far

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Speaker 3: picturing No, this is never too fun. I pictured pictory

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Speaker 3: world leaders going does this guy mean like literally literally

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Speaker 3: have evidence?

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Speaker 5: Do we have evidence of an international America incident caused

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Speaker 5: by a fart? I would love to let us know

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Speaker 5: about what. Nothing comes to mind, but it's they're certainly

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Speaker 5: never too late.

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Speaker 3: So what do you think, folks, could the same government

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Speaker 3: that cannot figure out basic tax structure really be capable

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Speaker 3: of spending trillions in absolute silence and hiding the biggest

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Speaker 3: revelation in all of human history. Tune in for chapter

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01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 3: two on the Legacy Program. In the meantime, we'd love

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Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts. So you can find us online.

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01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 3: You can call us on the phone, and you can

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01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 3: always send us an email.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 5: If for looking online, you will find us at either

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Speaker 5: the handle conspiracy Stuff or a Conspiracy Stuff show. And

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Speaker 5: I think Ben mentioned something about phone number.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have a number. It is one eight to

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Speaker 2: three three STDWYTK. It's a voicemail system. Call it if

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01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 2: you want to give us feedback. You'll be able to

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Speaker 2: hear it on the audio version of this podcast. Find

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01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: that wherever you listen to your favorite shows. If you

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01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 2: want to send us an email, we are the.

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Speaker 3: Entities that read each piece of correspondence we receive. Be

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01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 3: well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void writes back. And

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Speaker 3: if you want your correspondence to stay classified, we've got

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Speaker 3: your back. In the meantime, we'd love to hear your

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01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 3: favorite alien encounter in film or fiction. Tell us how

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01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 3: you think an alien encounter would go in Hollywood and

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01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:23,520
Speaker 3: in real life. Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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