1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Up next out Loud with Joanno called Wall part of 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the beginning with School Switch Network. Welcome back to Outline 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: with Gianno Caldwell. I have to tell you that I'm 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: really looking forward to today's show. My guest has become 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: a household name as the central law enforcement figure in 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: the Brianna Taylor case. He is Daniel Cameron, the Attorney 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: General Kentucky. Cameron is the first Republican elected as Kentucky 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: a g and more than seven decades, and the first 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: Black American independently elected to statewide office in Kentucky history. 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: He's a rising star in the Republican Party, and I 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: have a feeling Americans will be seeing a lot more 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: of him in the years to come. Before we get 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: to Daniel Cameron, I want to play an audio clip 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: from a press conference you're here. Tamika Mollery, a prominent 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: activist who was one of the organizers of the seventeen 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: US Women's March. Following the decision by gran jury not 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: to directly charge the officers involved in the shooting of 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor. Her comments were then echoed by a number 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: of celebrities across the country. Take a lesson Daniel Cameron 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: is no different than to sell out negroes that sold 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: our people into slavery and help white men to capture 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: our people, to abuse them and to traffic them while 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: our women were raped, while our men were raped by savages. 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: That is who you are, Daniel Caron. You are a coward, 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: You are a sellout, and you were used by the 26 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: system to harm your own mama, your own black mama. 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: We have no respect for you, no respect for your 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: black skin, because all of our skin folks ain't our tendfolk, 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: and you do not belong to black people at all. Well, 30 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: Daniel Cameron, thank you so much for your time. You've 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: been a friend of mine for many years. I've known 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: you before you ever decide to run for office and 33 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill many years. And you know, it's good 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: to be with you. We got a lot to talk 35 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: about today, but thank you for joining. I allow with you. 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't called well man. I am so honored to 37 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: be on here with you, and I really want to 38 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: just congratulate you on this show and all the multitude 39 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: of success that you've had, and you are a living 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: testament to what hard work in person variance is. And 41 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm grateful to be your friend and grateful to be 42 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: on here bro. Thank you and faith and God more important. Amen. Amen, 43 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: I appreciate that and interesting that we're talking about faith 44 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: in God because on November thirty of you filed an 45 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: emergency application with the U. S. Supreme Court in the 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: case of Danville Christian Academy versus but Share. The case 47 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: involves religious schools that want to keep their in person 48 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: classes going after the Kentucky Governor Andy but Share, a Democrat, 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: issued an executive order saying all schools need to stop 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: in person classes and go back to virtual distance or 51 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: distance learning because of COVID nineteen and the application, you 52 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: asked the nation's highest court to allow ruling by the 53 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: district court judge stopping the enforcement of the order to 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: take effect. In the US Court of Appeals for the 55 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Sixth Circuit, disagree with the district court inside with the 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: governor leading you to file this application. Can you tell 57 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: us more about this case and why it's so important. Yeah, well, 58 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: I it's You've summed it up pretty well in terms 59 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: of what's at stake here. The governor, in a recent 60 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: executive order shut down religiously affiliated schools and as the 61 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. It's my responsibility 62 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: to defend the constitutional rights of our citizens, and in 63 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: particular in this case, that's the First Amendment and the 64 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: free exercise of faith. UH. And so look, I've said 65 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: repeatedly from the beginning, whether you're the president, governor, or 66 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: local officials here in the Commonwealth, I understand the responsibility 67 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: to keep people safe uh and protect people during this 68 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: prolonged or protracted pandemic. But we have an equally important 69 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: respon WUNSI ability and Gno. You'll know this from hearing 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Attorney General bar say it, or Justice course in his 71 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: own way say it as well, that even in the 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: midst of a pandemic, the Constitution cannot be suspended. I 73 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: wholeheartily agree with that sentiment. I think most Kentuckians agree 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: with it, and I dare say the majority of the 75 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: country agrees with making sure that we are standing up 76 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: for the constitutional rights that we hold so dear and 77 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: that we value. And again, the responsibility of this office 78 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: is to be vigilant and protect those rights. And so 79 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: when a governor says that a religiously affiliated school has 80 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: to shutter its doors, when faith is at the core 81 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: of a religiously affiliated schools curriculum. Therefore, confronting and attacking 82 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: the First Amendment, it's our responsibility to defend. And so 83 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: we've taken this case all the way to the Supreme Court. 84 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: We got to the right ruling in our judgment at 85 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: the Federal District Court that said a governor cannot in 86 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: fringi on our First Amendment rights the Court of Appeals. 87 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: We're obviously disappointed by that decision, but we have applied 88 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: for immediate review by our circuit judge, which is just 89 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: as Kavanaugh, he's now in the position of determining what 90 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: happens next in this case. He's already asked for a 91 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: response from governor Butscher's team and we'll see what happens 92 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: from there. But again, this is a pretty simple question 93 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: in our view, which is Canada governor, in an executive 94 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: order infringe upon the First Amendment right of parents across 95 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: the Commonwealth to send their their children for in person 96 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: instruction that that religiously affiliated schools, and it certainly would have, 97 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: especially if it comes out in your favor, to have 98 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: an impact across the country. So we'll continue to monitor 99 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: that and see what happens there. Now let's turn to 100 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: the death of Brianna Taylor and it's aftermath. And I 101 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: know it's been one that's impacted us all, especially as 102 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: African Americans across the countrymen, women, I know that, uh, 103 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of hate directed towards you. If 104 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: people go to their Instagram, they'll see thousands of comments 105 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: people calling you a sell out of Uncle Tom. You 106 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: got Rappers, Magotea, Stallion, and many many others who have 107 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: personally attacked you, and they've sent a lot of hate 108 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: your way. And me knowing you for many many years 109 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: and us having these conversations over dinner or or just 110 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: being together and having conversations, I know that you have 111 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: a great care for the black community, and you've you've 112 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: mentioned on air that you know, we got to care 113 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: about our black women. You've you've made those comments. Now, 114 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: this seemingly isn't enough for a lot of the critics 115 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: that have come out after you. And I'm just really 116 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: intrigued to know after the death threat you receive, your 117 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: wife has had to have security, how are you doing 118 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: on a personal level when it comes to all of that. Well, now, 119 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: thanks for the question. Look, Uh, it has been a 120 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: difficult period and I never want to sort of look 121 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: at it. Um you know my perspective, and I think 122 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: you've framed this appropriately. A young lady in the prime 123 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: of her life, Brianna Taylor lost lost her life, and 124 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: as I've said repeatedly, that is a a tragedy, and 125 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: make no mistake about it, it is hurt and had 126 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: ripples throughout the Black community here in the Commonwealth and 127 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: just the entire nation. I mean, this has been an 128 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: important case and I am been pained by just how 129 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: difficult it has been. And whether it's Tonka Palmer, Brianna's mother, 130 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: or family members or folks in the community, I mean, 131 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: this is a heart wrenching story. And what I've said 132 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: is that in the midst of this tragedy, sometimes the 133 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: criminal justice system is inadequate to respond to a tragedy. 134 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: And what I've meant by that is that there is 135 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: great pain and sorrow connected with this woman who's was, 136 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: in many ways the glue in her family, was a 137 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: strong pillar, was moving forward in her professional career. But 138 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: at the same time the role of the Attorney General 139 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: is to look at the facts as they are and 140 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: not try to pick out specific facts, are certain facts 141 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: to meet a narrative. That is not the role of 142 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: the Attorney General, nor should it be. The responsibility of 143 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: this office is to follow the facts and marry the 144 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: facts with the law. And what happened in the early 145 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: morning hours of March thirteenth is officers were attempting to 146 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: execute a search warrant and when they attempted to enter 147 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, miss Taylor's boyfriend UH fired at the officers, 148 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: and the officers then were justified in returning fire. Again, 149 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: the tragedy here is that Miss Taylor was hit in 150 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: that return fire. And again I cannot fully understand the 151 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: pain and so or I've I've spoken candidly about you know, 152 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I know how much time and energy that my parents, 153 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: my mother specifically have invested in me UH, and if 154 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: something was to happen to me, I could I understand 155 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: how how challenging and difficult it would be. But again, 156 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: the officers were justified in returning fire. And as a 157 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: prosecuting office, and I and I want to make sure 158 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: that people understand that it's not me making these decisions 159 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: in a vacuum. So I have a team of of 160 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: prosecutors UH and investing gators with over two hundred years 161 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: of combined experience. We took this case because we had 162 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: the resources and the the the breath of expertise and 163 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: experience to handle this matter as as opposed to farming 164 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: it out to another commonwealth attorney. You'll recall that the 165 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: initial prosecutor on this case was conflicted out, and so 166 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: it came to our office to make a decision about 167 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: whether to keep it or to give it to somebody else. 168 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: But because of the resources in the relationship that we 169 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: have with our federal law enforcement community, we were able 170 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: to handle this case appropriately and have a meticulous and 171 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: thorough investigation, and at the end of that investigation, we concluded, 172 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: in terms of a recommendation to the grand jury, it 173 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: was appropriate to recommend UH an indictment as it relates 174 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: to another officer that was at the scene, but not 175 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: to the two officers that fired in the doorway, if 176 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: you will, Miles Cosgrove in Jonathan Mattingly again, because they 177 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: were justified in returning fire. Again, I fully said from 178 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: the beginning that sometimes the criminal system is inadequate to 179 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: respond to a tragedy, and that's certainly the case here, 180 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that I cannot dispense with my 181 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: responsibility and role as the chief law enforcement officer. And 182 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: I hope people over time recognize that and understand that 183 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: our job was to the law and of the facts 184 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: in this case, and we tried to dispense with that 185 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: responsibility appropriately. I'm completely confident in the process that we 186 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: had here and in the prosecutors and investigators that we 187 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: had working on this case. And UH, it's it's important 188 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: for people to understand that, UH, and it's important for 189 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: us to continue to prosecute this, uh, the sub this 190 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: other officer that was at the scene. And I also 191 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: remind people that the FBI continues to lead an investigation 192 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: into this matter as well. And so I tell folks 193 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: to to stay tuned because the case as it relates 194 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,359 Speaker 1: to the two officers that were in the doorway is concluded, 195 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: but there are other things that are at play here, 196 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: and the FBI continues to lead the way on that 197 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: part of the investigation. So what would justice for Brianna 198 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: Taylor's family even look like. Well, I think that you know, obviously, 199 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: they have had a pretty large settlement with the city 200 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: of Louisville. But again, my responsibility is to the facts 201 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: and the law, and UH, this is a very hard 202 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: and challenging case. And as we look at the landscape 203 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: related to warrants in that process, I think there continues 204 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: to be very healthy conversations, very candid conversations about the 205 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: execution of warrants, UH, the implementation and the process that 206 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: goes into those warrants. And again, the FBI continues its 207 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: investigation to any potential civil rights violations, and so we 208 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: continue to have these ongoing conversations about, you know, how 209 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: can we honor her legacy and how can we best 210 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: move forward. But it's it's a tough it is a 211 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: tough and challenging situation, and I again I understand those 212 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: that are hurting and who take issue with our office's decision, 213 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: But my responsibility is to the facts in the law, 214 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: and we dispensed with that responsibility appropriate, you know, Attorney General, 215 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: I think that's such an important point that people need 216 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: to recognize. I want to pick up from there after 217 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: we take a quick break. Something Grand juris in the 218 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: case I've said, you didn't give them the option to 219 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: indict the officers directly for cars and Taylor's death. Because 220 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: you never actually presented them with the homicide charges against 221 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: the officers, they accuse you of lying and misleading the 222 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: public about the grand jury deliberations. How do you respond 223 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: to such accusations. Well, I'm fully confident in the process 224 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: that we put forth, and I've I've said that from 225 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: the beginning. It is our responsibility to present the all 226 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: the evidence to the grand jury, all the facts to 227 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: the grand jury, which we did, but we also had 228 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: a responsibility to put forth an appropriate recommendation. And that 229 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: recommendation was to this third officer who was at the 230 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: scene of the the incident, Detective Hankinson. And and and I 231 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: won't say anything further about him because there is ongoing 232 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: criminal prosecution against him. But at the end of the day, 233 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: what I've laid it out to you, as it relates 234 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: to the justification for the return fire by Mattingly and Cosgrove, 235 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: it was not appropriate to put forth a recommendation for 236 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: any murder charges against them. Part of being a prosecutor 237 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: requires that not only we have sufficient information at the 238 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: indictment stage, but also something that we can actually pursue 239 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: in the criminal jury system. And again, as a prosecutor. 240 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: You have to look at your responsibility on that angle, 241 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: and that's from that perspective. Uh, and we just there 242 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: was not evidence sufficient to bring forth a recommendation for 243 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: an indictment for murder for either John Mattingly or Miles Cosgrowth. 244 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm just very intrigued by your opinion on this, because 245 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: there appears to be, especially in the African American community, 246 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: the very real truth that officers in some cases don't 247 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: be brought to justice for murdering black folks, and in 248 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: cases unjustly. Is what I want to say. I think 249 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: back to instances of police officers pulling up I've seen 250 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: viral videos of the police officers asking in African American 251 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: men for their driver's license, and they go in to 252 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: get their driver's license and then they're shooting a car. 253 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: Or I see Caucasian individuals who literally attacked the police 254 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: and they don't seem to die. Do you think that 255 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: we need to reform the system of policing so there 256 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: is greater justice. And LK was cleared in justice anywhere 257 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: as a threat of justice everywhere, and a lot of 258 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: African Americans do feel that they're under attack. I'm concerned 259 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: when I get pulled over by a police officer, of 260 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: ensuring that I leave this safely, I do whatever they 261 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: tell me to do. But there's a very real concern 262 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: in fear among our African Americans brothers and sisters that 263 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: they can legitimately die from an interaction with the police. 264 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: And it doesn't seem as though there's much justice when 265 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: it comes to um them actually being held to account 266 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: when they do something wrong. Do you think we need 267 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: to reform that? Well, what I don't say is that 268 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: I think it's completely appropriate to have these very important 269 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: conversations about our criminal justice system and equality within our country. 270 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: I I don't know anybody that disputes that we need to, 271 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: in order to form a more perfect union, continually have 272 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: these conversations. We want to be a part in the 273 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: a g. S Office of that dialogue. As a black man, 274 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: I want to be a part of that dialogue. Again, 275 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who comes to these conversations in 276 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: good faith that doesn't want to have a significant and 277 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: substantial conversation about equality in the pursuit of equality in 278 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: this country, regardless of what the industry or profession is. 279 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: I think it's always healthy to have that conversation. What 280 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: I have tried to be very clear that in the 281 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: midst of having that conversation, it's important that we not 282 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: conflate situations or what happens in one particular instance, say, 283 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: for instance, what occurred in Minnesota, or what occurred and 284 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: other All of these cases are very fact specific and 285 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: very fact intensive, and so the responsibility of a prosecutor 286 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: in a prosecuting office is to make sure that we're 287 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: looking at the specific facts of a particular case. And 288 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: for me in this office, it was what happened in 289 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: the early morning hours of March thirteen in the June 290 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: of Miss Taylor. That was what our scope, and that 291 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: was what our analysis was about. I couldn't look at 292 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: what happened in Minnesota, or I couldn't look at what 293 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: happened in Georgia to inform the decision making process and 294 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: the investigative process here in this case, I think that 295 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: would would not be appropriate. Again, as in my responsibility 296 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, and I know that my prosecutors and 297 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: investigators that were handling this case knew that they had 298 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: to shut out everything else but the facts specific to 299 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: this case. So, but to your original question, I mean 300 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: the conversation around justice. It is always This country has 301 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: had a long history of of protests to bring forth 302 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: grievances or concerns or to highlight issues in society. And 303 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: so I've said as a as a advocate of our 304 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: First Amendment principles and foundation, and obviously as we continue 305 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: to fight for those principles here in Kentucky, protests is okay. 306 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: Peaceful protest is appropriate. Where you don't want to go 307 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: is And where some of these peaceful protests can be 308 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: undermined is when violence starts to bleed into those But 309 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: I know the majority of people that have been involved 310 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: in this process as it relates to justice and equality 311 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: in our country have sincere, sincerely held beliefs. And I 312 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: think it's again healthy to be a part of open 313 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: and honest conversations about peace, justice and equality here in 314 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: the country. And I want to be a meaningful contributor 315 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: to that conversation. Even with the fact that we've we've 316 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: had this this really heart wrenching ace here in Kentucky. 317 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: That's one that is a stroke fear across the nation 318 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: of what could happen to another person next. If you 319 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: can be in your home safely with without maybe dying. UM. 320 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: So I can understand that. And I know you're talking 321 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: about honesty and transparency. And I want to ask you 322 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: a question about um, something uh that's been in the 323 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: news recently, or rather it happen in the news. And 324 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: it's about the release of the recordings and the transcripts 325 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: of the deliberations earlier this year. And I know you 326 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: didn't want to release them. I'm not sure if you've 327 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: released them yet or if it were it was a 328 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: court order for you to release them. Why did you 329 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 1: want to keep them? Well, this has nothing to do 330 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: with whether we wanted to keep them or not. There 331 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: is a process whenever grand jury proceedings occur, those are 332 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: held in secret and in confidentiality so that frank and 333 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: honest conversations and questions can be asked. Uh. And it's 334 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: to protect the grand jurys themselves. It's and so that 335 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: here and in cont hockey. As soon as this became 336 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: apparent that there would be an open conversation in court 337 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: about whether to release this information, the Kentucky prosecutors wrote 338 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: a letter encouraging us and in part of the litigation, 339 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: asking the judge not to hold this information or not 340 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: to disclose this information to the public because of the 341 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: dangerous president that it would set in opening up grand 342 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: jury proceedings. That was our only interests. I have no 343 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: qualms with grand jurors speaking of about the case. Again, 344 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: this was all because of the history and the precedent 345 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: that would be established. Grand jury proceedings since the beginning 346 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: have been held in secret, again, to protect grand jurors, 347 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: to protect the information that is shared during that process. Uh. 348 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: And so that was our only interest, was to to 349 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: make sure that we were consistent with precedent. Uh. This 350 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: judge in Lolibile had a different view of that, and 351 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: that's okay. And I don't know what this means for 352 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: other cases in the future, other high profile cases. I'm 353 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: not entirely sure. But if you talk to any prosecutor 354 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,239 Speaker 1: involved in the criminal justice system, it is it is 355 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: without question that forever these proceedings have been secret and closed. 356 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: And so that was our only interests was to keep 357 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: with that precedent as opposed to allowing that information. All 358 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: of the information is out there now and and uh, 359 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: and that is fine. And grand jeurs obviously are are 360 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: allowed to speak now, which is fine as well. But 361 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is is that what the 362 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: grandeurs we're going to say, what's not and what was 363 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: going to be released was not an issue for us. 364 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: It was the process itself. Again, grand juries have been secret, 365 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: and so too. Do away with that policy or that 366 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: process is pretty remarkable and unprecedented, and I don't know 367 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: ultimately what the ramifications of that will be, but I 368 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: know we had prosecutors not only in this office, but 369 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: prosecutors across the commonalth that didn't want to see that happen. Again, 370 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: the judge made their decision. We respect that decision, and 371 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: all the information is out there, but it is it 372 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: was certainly consistent with the role of a prosecutor to 373 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: protect the secrecy of the Grandjuri proceedings, but the judge 374 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: decided otherwise. You know, Greg Fisher, the mayor and the 375 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: city that Brianna Taylor was killed back in March, declared 376 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: when we recently declared racism a public health crisis and 377 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: announced a plan to advance racial equality for those who 378 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: live in the city of the African Americans that live 379 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: in the city. This plan includes steps to reform the 380 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: city's police department, which got me to thinking would you 381 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: support a federal consent decree on the police department there 382 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: to have a federal monitor watch over what's going on 383 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: in that police department. Well, I don't want to, you know, 384 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: think about hypotheticals. I don't think it's appropriate. That is 385 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: a process that is um is all handled at the 386 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: at the federal level with federal U S Attorneys in 387 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. And if that was to be undertaken, 388 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: and again I don't have any knowledge of that process, 389 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: we would obviously again we would have no real involvement 390 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: in the Department of Justice decision. But if they were 391 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: to make that decision, um, you know, obviously the lm 392 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: p D I mean Louisville would be required to follow it. 393 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: But that is a completely separate process from the state 394 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: attorney Attorney General's office. But uh, and again I have 395 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: no knowledge of any potential consent process that might be underway. 396 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: Do you do you think that there should be some 397 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: monitoring of the police department there? I know, consider to 398 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: create I know what they do. I understand that it's 399 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: a contractual piece where attorneys kind of review the operations 400 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: of the police department. For those who don't know, but 401 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: do you think there's any need for any form of reform, 402 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: as the Mayor say that he believes that there should 403 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: be well, again that is uh. I think it's healthy 404 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: to have this conversation. And I know even at the 405 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: state level, there's an ongoing conversation about the warrant process 406 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: and what that should look like going forward, and we 407 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: need to have these conversations. And as I've talked about, 408 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: it's important for regardless of whether it's the law process 409 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: or other policies and procedures that are in place, it's 410 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: always healthy to have those conversations. And so I I 411 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 1: don't know specifically what the Mayor has in mind, and 412 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: again I don't know anything specific about any consent decree 413 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: process that might occur out of the Department of Justice. 414 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: But we are obviously interested in seeing these conversations, whether 415 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: if it's the lord process or other things continue to 416 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: happen here in Kentucky and on the state level. Obviously 417 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: we would you know, our session begins in January. To 418 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: the extent we can be helpful in that process, we 419 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: will do so. And you know, I was a lobbyist 420 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: in the state of Illinois, and we work with the 421 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: Attorney General's office and the Attorney General's office sent out 422 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: bills in our state capital in Springfield all the time 423 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: to reform things processes that that was involved in their 424 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: office and other offices as well. And you mentioned your 425 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: legislation legislative session is in January next month. Do you 426 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: have any policy or any bills you're gonna send down 427 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: there to improve what's going on with, whether it be 428 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: police departments and law enforcements anything like that. Well, I 429 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: think you know we've we've begunned those conversations. And one 430 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: of the things that you know, I've talked a little 431 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: bit about is the need for us to to review 432 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: and consider our wark processes across the common if not 433 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: just lowals specifically, and so we will continue to be 434 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: engaged in that dialogue and see whether there are things 435 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: that need to be changed or should be changed. There's 436 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: obviously a lot of different views and perspectives on uh 437 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: no knock warrants or just other types of warrant processes 438 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: that are that are that exists, and so will be 439 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: a productive member of those conversations. I know some bills 440 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: have already been pre filed by members of the legislature, 441 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: and we will continue to monitor that and continue to 442 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, have our own sort of piece of the pie, 443 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: if you will, in terms of the warrant process and 444 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: looking at ways, if necessary, to reform it. Okay, So 445 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: if I'm hearing you, clearly, you're saying that you're going 446 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: to work with legislators and perhaps offer up some policy 447 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: for them to um introduce and sponsor that can change 448 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: the dynamic and some of the things we're seeing in 449 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: terms of law enforcement. Is that, right? Yeah, we've been 450 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: talking about here, and I don't want to get into 451 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: the specific jet about a assembling a group of folks 452 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: that would be led by this office to look at 453 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: the war process across the Commonwealth, again not singling out 454 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: any particular department, but just as part of a healthy 455 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: and ongoing conversation we've been looking at, specifically in AG's office. 456 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: Is how we can be a part of that conversation 457 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: and bringing in other stakeholders to help inform those conversations. Okay, Now, 458 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: switching gears just a little bit, because we know the 459 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor cases one chapter in a larger story, we 460 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: see calls to defund the police, rioting threatening law enforcement, 461 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: and certain politicians supporting the chaos and cities across the country. 462 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: We also see citizens who aren't extremists and don't engage 463 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: in violence, but are still concerned about the police in 464 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: this environment. What do you say to those individuals who 465 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: are looking to take the law in their own hands. 466 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: We've seen the protests, of course with Brianna Taylor and 467 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: just African Americans like George Floyd in general. But people 468 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: are going out damaging property and they're trying to take 469 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: the law in their on hand because they don't believe 470 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: that the elected officials who have been appointed to these 471 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: positions are doing their job properly to keep people say, 472 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: what do you say these things? Well, I say violence 473 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: is never the answer. And again I've I've said repeatedly 474 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: that peaceful protests is a part of our republican form 475 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: of government or democracy, and so we should always be 476 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: sensitive to those who expressed themselves in in peaceful protests. 477 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: But whether you're from the right or left, violence should 478 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: never be accepted as a part of these conversations. And 479 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 1: so I know President Trump was very strong, strongly opposed 480 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: to any violence, and I also know Joe Biden was 481 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: opposed to violence as well, and anyone. Eventually he was yeah, yeah, 482 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't mention any NC like, we got 483 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: to be clear about that. Eventually they started talking about 484 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: it after they saw the poll numbers dip. I'm talking 485 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: about Joe Biden. Then they started speaking up. So he 486 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: wasn't No, you're initially saying much of anything. Kamala Harris 487 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: again bailing out those who were rioting and looting. They 488 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: had her folks on her staff, had a whole fund 489 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: that they were um encouraging people that contribute, contribute there 490 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: there in my in my view of part of the problem. Well, 491 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: they I agree with you. I think they came to 492 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: the party late. I think they recognized that you cannot 493 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: have a message that calls for the dismantling and defunding 494 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: of our police departments. Look, the folks that you know 495 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: have the loud largest and loudest sort of microphones aren't 496 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: representative of all of our communities or the thought process 497 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: in our respective communities. And the fact of the matter 498 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: is that a lot of folks appreciate you don't hear 499 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: these voices as much, but appreciate our law enforcement community, 500 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: and they're they're sacrifices that they make to to keep 501 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: us safe. And again, I understand that we have to 502 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: have open and honest conversations about there are bad apples 503 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: in in in our communities or in the law enforcement 504 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: community or any industry. Then you need to get those 505 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: folks out. By by and large, I think most respect. 506 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: And yet you are exactly right that Joe Biden was 507 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: late to the party and eventually recognized that he had 508 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: to speak out. Again, President Trump was very strong on 509 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: this particular issue, and I think it's why it resonated 510 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: with so many so many people because of the fact 511 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: that you know, we cannot just disparage a whole group 512 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: of citizens that day in and day out make sacrifices 513 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: to keep our families home, to make sure that we 514 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: can can sleep at night sadly at our homes. And 515 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: so I'm in this role as as chief law enforcement officer. 516 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: You obviously you know I have to to play it 517 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: down the middle in terms of any investigation that you 518 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: conduct and any prosecutions that you might pursue. And the 519 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: idea that you would defund the police is just beyond 520 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: me and I we cannot have a society police are 521 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,959 Speaker 1: not present and that police are not respected, and I 522 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 1: think it's it's sad when you see, you know, folks 523 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: on the on the left side of the aisle that 524 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: are calling for this sort of this sort of idea, 525 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: because again, we have to have the rule of law 526 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: and we have to protect our communities and the men 527 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: and women of the thin Blue line. I have to 528 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: do that daily and they should be a blotted for it. 529 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: And you know what's interesting, President Obama recently said that 530 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 1: the idea of defunding the police is basically lose your 531 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: audience once you say that. And you've got people like 532 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: AOC Alixander Cosco Cortez and is very much in favor 533 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: of defunding the police. And when Democrats have tried to 534 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: explain it and said, no, we mean to take some 535 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: of the law enforcement department funding and put it in 536 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: community and programs, Kamala Hare said, let's reimagine the police, 537 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: and she's pushed back and she said, no, I mean 538 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: defund the police. Exactly what that means, So putting millions 539 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: of people in danger, putting people on the South Side 540 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: of Chicago and other payer areas where it's extraordinarily dangerous, 541 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: putting them in the been more danger and making them 542 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: potentially victims. What do you say to somebody like alc Well, 543 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: it's scary when President Obama when he comes out and 544 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: makes a statement of we can't you know, have these 545 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, grand slogans a defund the police, and he 546 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: gets attacked by his own members of his own party. 547 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that is, in my judgment, a sign 548 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: of of in many ways how far left the Democratic 549 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: Party has gone, in particular as it relates to to 550 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: AOC and some of the folks that subscribe to the 551 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: same value set and belief systems that she has. And 552 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: and again it is I think that is part of 553 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: of President Trump's the reason that he resonated with folks 554 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: is that he stood and stands for the rule of law. 555 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 1: And uh, I'm hopeful that people, regardless of of of 556 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 1: what the ultimate outcome of the election is, and I 557 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of different pieces that are involved 558 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: in that, that men and women across this country will 559 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: continue to respect the men and women of our thin 560 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: blue line and the sacrifices that they make in protecting 561 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: our communities is as you so so well stated it. 562 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean, again, the people that have the largest microphones, 563 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: they sometimes drown out the voices of the folks that 564 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: are are getting up and going to work every day 565 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: and coming home, and I want to make sure that 566 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: their streets are safe and and don't want folks dying 567 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: in their streets and and being murdered. They want to 568 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: help help the police. And so I'm hopeful that you know, 569 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: even as we move into this this next year, that 570 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: folks will continue to see that really our law enforcement 571 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: community is of bright spot in our society. And they again, 572 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: you can have bad apples in in any industry, in 573 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: any profession. Like the folks that I know of the 574 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: thin blue line, they want to keep community safe and 575 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: and they risk their lives to do so. Absolutely, I 576 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: totally agree. I want to dig into that further after 577 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: work from our sponsor m h and And one would 578 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: argue because there's been a number of police departments that 579 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: have been defunded, they've lost funding Los Angeles and a 580 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: number of other New York City, a number of other 581 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: large police departments, and there's been people who have been 582 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: murdered because there's not been as much police presidents in areas. 583 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: So I mean, I would say that these folks blood 584 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: is on aoc hands you've been leading the movement, I mean, 585 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: is that something you would agree with? Well, look, I um, 586 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: I certainly think that anybody who is calling for the 587 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: for defunding of the police is setting a very dangerous 588 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: perspective and viewpoint that can have long term ramifications and 589 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: it actually hurts and hinders success and upward mobility in 590 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: those communities they think they're trying to help. And so 591 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: I am completely opposed to that idea or that viewpoint 592 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: that says we need a defund police because the very 593 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: same communities that you know, AOC or or her folks 594 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: say that they are trying to trying to help. It 595 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 1: really is, it's counter productive and counterintuitive because these communities 596 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: are some some of the communities that need this help 597 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: the most. Yeah, what can be done to build more 598 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: trust between police in the black community. Well, I think 599 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: that you've got to on the front end before you 600 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: have these you know, high profile or very sensitive incidences. 601 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: You've got to establish relationships before on the on the 602 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: front end so that you can have the tough and 603 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: difficult conversations when it comes to these specific cases or 604 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 1: just how to better focus the police efforts in these 605 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: particular communities. Obviously, I think recruitment is incredibly important folks 606 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: that look like the communities that they're serving. Having them 607 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: in the positions of authority is important to helping establish 608 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: the credibility and building stronger those relationships. But it's a 609 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: you know, it is a labor of love. I think 610 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: it's the best way to put it that there has 611 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: to be real, real interest in establishing and investing in 612 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: those relationships and not just showing up to pull somebody over, 613 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: but also developing those community ties that can help even 614 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: when there are very significant and difficult situations. Well, let 615 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: me ask you this this question, because I know there's 616 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: been a lot of talk from activists all over, most 617 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: active activists on the left people have say that they 618 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: believe that America systematically racism and broken and can't be fixed. 619 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: What do you say to that America is certainly the 620 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: land of opportunity and uh, you know, I'm grateful for 621 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: this country and general your story and and and so 622 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: many other folks story is one of upward mobility, and 623 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: I hold on to belief in this is the greatest 624 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: nation on the face of the planet. And you know, 625 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: they are always going to be challenges. That's regardless of 626 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: if you live here in any place, but this is 627 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: the best place on earth. And the idea that you 628 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: know that we we we've obviously got a ways to go. 629 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's always going to be true. 630 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: I mean, we're always trying to perfect this union, Um, 631 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: and there will always be more that we can do 632 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: to to be sensitive and to be good to our neighbors, 633 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: and good in our communities and good to our families. 634 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: But you know this, I whole heart to believe that 635 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: this is the greatest nation on earth, and that upward 636 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: mobility can occur here, can happen here as long as 637 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: that as we have the we remove the barriers in 638 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: our society allow people to do that. But I continue 639 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: to believe that if you want to do something in 640 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: this country, you can uh if you you know, have 641 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: faith in the Lord, and if you you put your 642 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: best foot forward and you persevere and show grit and determination, 643 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: you can do whatever you set your mind too. And 644 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: and I believe that when partnering with God, it doesn't 645 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: matter what the obstacle is, you will win when you're 646 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: a true partnership with God. And I appreciate that, Um, 647 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: your response and certainly, although I'm not gonna say the 648 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: country is systematically racist, I would say the ninety four 649 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: crime bill pushed by Joe Biden absolutely was systematically So 650 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's my point of view, and I 651 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: know I don't have much time with you, so I 652 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: want to ask my last question because there's been a 653 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: lot of conversation about your political future. You spoke at 654 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: the Republican National Committee. There's been a lot of talk 655 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: about you possibly being a future president, which is something 656 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're you're excited to hear somebody who's a 657 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: first term in the office you're in. What is the 658 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: future like for you? Because people say you might replace 659 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: the Senator McConnell and the Senate, maybe run for governor. 660 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: And I know your response is gonna be, well, I'm 661 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: focused on my job, but what with those that's the 662 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: typical politicians. But as my friend get about the microphone 663 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: and what are your thoughts? Well, Jeah, look, I I'll 664 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: be honest with you. You know, I'm here my my 665 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: first year. It has been a eventful and busy year, 666 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: and so thinking beyond at this point seems overwhelming. I'm 667 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: honestly very h you know, obviously very grateful for the 668 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to have to speak at the Republican National Convention, 669 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: and yeah, what I what I hope it did was 670 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: a couple of things. One that if you look like me, 671 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: and I know Representative Electric Powen's and others would Senator 672 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: Scott others would say this as well, that if you 673 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: look like me, I hope you recognize that there is 674 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: there is room for you in the Republican Party, and 675 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: that you recognize that this party was founded for the 676 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: very um for the very reason of ending slavery in 677 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: this country. And so yeah, and so I hope people 678 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: that look like me recognize that at least be open 679 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: to the idea of of the Republican Party. And then 680 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: the other thing I am grateful that it gave me 681 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do is just to say really thank 682 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: you to you know, my my parents who raised me 683 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: to talk about the common values in our communities and 684 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 1: the role in importance of faith in our communities, and 685 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: that grateful for the work that President Trump has done 686 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: over the last four years. Too. We talk about upward 687 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: mobility and how important that is. And so I again 688 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: I was thankful for the opportunity to speak there and 689 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: to to share my perspective on on what the Republican 690 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: Party means to me and what it is and and 691 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: it's future. And again, UH, at this point, I'm just 692 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: focused on getting out of and and in getting to 693 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: one in terms of the A. G. S off us 694 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: in this space. And and we're doing some really good 695 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 1: and meaningful work here. Obviously, we've had some pro high 696 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: profile matters as it relates to COVID nineteam and and 697 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor investigation. But we've also established really for the 698 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: first time, a new child abuse prosecutorial tool kit to 699 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: help our prosecutors across the Commonwealth fight child abuse. And 700 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: we've taken some very meaningful steps in fighting human trafficking 701 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: here in Kentucky as well. And so there's a lot 702 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: of great work that's left to be done here. Unfortunate 703 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: and honored to be the first African American independently elected 704 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 1: to statewide office here in Kentucky and to be the 705 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: fifty first Attorney in general UH and to fight and 706 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: stand up for folks rites. So it is this is 707 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: an incredibly important office, a lot of important decisions as 708 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: evidence by UH some of the stuff that's happened over 709 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: the last year come across this desk, uh and I'm 710 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: just grateful to serve in this capacity. And we'll see 711 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: ultimately what the Lord has in store down the road. 712 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: But but my my my focus is on is on 713 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: and the rest of this year and then seeing what 714 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: exciting things we can do in the A G. S 715 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: Office in Kentucky. Come one, Well, I thank you for 716 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: your time today. I know this wasn't a softball interview 717 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: because people really want to know what's going on with 718 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: the case and it is handled fairly. They want to 719 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: make sure that justice is done and actually know that 720 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: there's a federal investigation still ongoing, so we'll wait for 721 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: the details on that. But thank you again for spending 722 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: time with me here at out Allowed with Giano Caldwell, 723 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: and we'll continue to monitor what's going on with you. 724 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. All right, thanks brother. 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