WEBVTT - BONUS: NBA Trade Deadline Fallout With Keith Smith 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:02.920 You're tuned into Heat Check with justtal Quick. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.280 On this episode of the Heat Check, the trade deadline 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.400 has come and gone, so no better time to bring 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.120 on Keith Smith. I was joined by my bet MGM 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.320 co host Ryan Horvaugh and Nick Ashe. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:18.400 We're recorded right. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.080 After the deadline. Keith is a real deal NBA insider. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.840 He works for SPOS Trek breakdown all the tea, you know, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.160 more than you can ever want. Amazing double length episode, 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.880 So do me a favorite, Nick and drop that beat. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.919 Keith was as shocked as I was about the trade deadline. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.440 He gets right into the Sun's trade and what it means. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.960 I absolutely wild dead deadline. I did not expect it 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.480 to go quite like this. So we're we'll see these 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.519 deals are all going final now. Some of them are 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.200 going to structure as multi team deals, but we're gonna 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.840 be in the range of twenty total deals in season, 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.680 and about fifteen or sixteen of them are going to 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:04.880 have happened in the last about twelve fifteen hours or so, 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.720 which is absolutely incredible. So I think we're in a 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.240 spot now where the league is exactly what he said, 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.160 It's wide open. These teams feel like they have a 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.800 chance to win, so they're going after it. And we saw, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.720 you know, kind of becoming an arms race in the 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.720 Western Conference, especially a couple East teams tried to do 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.600 some things to shore up their positioning. But yeah, it's 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.000 really wide open in the NBA right now. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.920 I was really struck Keith because matt Eshbia just took 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.560 over yesterday and his first order of business was to 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.480 make sure that he got Kevin Durant before the deadline 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:40.880 and before. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.119 That night ended. Right. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.880 Was that something that we can say is going to 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.880 be a foreshadowing of how aggressive he's going to be 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.320 as an owner and what that means for the Phoenix 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:52.520 Suns in the future. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.080 I mean, what sort of struck you about that trade? 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.280 Yeah, it could be something where when we look back 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.920 on this ten year or so from now, we're like, man, 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.000 this guy came out day one really making big moves 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.120 and he's never stopped. But then I think back to 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.120 Mark Cuban when he took over the MAVs and they 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.120 made a million big trades, and they were trading and 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.720 signing everybody under the sun that they could get, and 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.359 then he became actually down the line one of the 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.679 more conservative owners for quite a while. So I think 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.600 this was I want to make a big splash, and 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.800 I know Kevin Durant wants to be here. Let's go 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.600 get him if we can, And they had that opportunity 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.040 to go get him as everything kind of went sideways 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.480 in Brooklyn. So I think this is more let's jump 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.200 on it, let's make something happen, than it was anything 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.200 where it became a you know, we want to read 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.440 into this and say, yeah, this is a you know, 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.480 this is what it's going to be like in Phoenix forever. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.280 How would you assess that trade in terms of the 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.720 details and the pieces got they got moved and who 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:53.160 benefited more or you know, did anyone win or lose 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:53.600 that trade? 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:54.240 In your opinion? 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.280 Yeah, it's gonna be hard to know on the Net side, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.560 because we've got years upon years of draft picks. We've 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.679 got some seventh and eighth graders that are gonna be 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.160 picked with a couple of those picks. So it's gonna 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.960 be a long time before we know the end story. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.000 But you know, I think the Nets in a tough 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.840 situation this week after Kyrie on Friday basically said get 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.840 me out of here. They did fine in that trade. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.680 They did really well in this trade. I think it's 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.000 Kevin Durant. So it's hard when you trade one of 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.320 the best players in the league and an MVP candidate, 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.359 But you got Michael Bridge's back, you got Cam Johnson back, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.880 and you got four draft picks and a pick swap, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.160 and some of those picks are gonna come probably long 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.920 after Kevin Durant is retired, so we don't even know 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.880 what the Sons will be at that point. So I 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.720 think long term, the Nets look great in this. In 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.360 the immediate it's obviously the Suns. As long as kd 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.000 can come out of the All Starbury kealthy and ready 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.240 to go, the Sons are a title contender. It's gonna 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.320 be very, very hard to slow down that offense because 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.320 this is kind of Chris Paul's dream. Now he can 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.680 just orchestrate probably doesn't ever have to shoot if he 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.280 doesn't want to, and set up Devin Booker, set up 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.200 Kevin Durant, make sure DeAndre can get some touches, just 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:01.000 kind of do their things. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.800 All of the teams that didn't do much this trade 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.640 deadline season was the Grizzlies. Keith explains why they stood 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.880 pat and what it means for their playoff chances. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.760 Yeah, it's tough for them. They I thought they should 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.840 have made a bigger move and gone a gutten like 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.120 og Ananobi or somebody like that, because they have the 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.320 draft pick capital to spend that that team is basically 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.039 the core group is there and locked in, and it 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.320 was time to add to that group and step forward. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.560 But we're in a position in Memphis where they're still 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.400 gonna be pretty good. That they'll probably finish my guess 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.040 is still probably finished second in the conference, behind Denver, 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:39.240 but behind them, Phoenix, the Clippers. Uh, those teams get 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.760 better so that they're they're gonna be pushing up the standings. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.840 The Warriors are still around, and the Warriors made made 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.800 a fairly minor ish move, but but it should help 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.440 them on the court with getting Gary Payton the second back, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.360 so that that's gonna be something that'll be interesting to watch. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.200 And then the challenge for Memphis is they might have 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.400 this great regular season and then all of a sudden 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.560 find themselves in the very first round of the playoffs. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.400 Looking at the Warriors or maybe even the Lakers, who 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.800 got a lot better in the span of the last 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:08.919 couple of days. So that's a really tough spot to 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.480 be in. And Luke Caernard's going to help them. Really 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.000 good shooter, gives them a guy that they really needed. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.560 They needed one more guy who could knock down jumpers. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.800 But it's it's just doesn't feel like enough compared to 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:21.720 what the other teams in the West did. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.359 The Lakers actually were the most active team on the 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.520 trademarket this week, but did they do it enough to 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.320 move the needle. Keith Way's in on Los Angeles and 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:30.600 they're changed roster. 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.120 They're much better. Their challenge with the Lakers is everyone 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.240 goes to, well, you know, they're only x amount of 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.240 games behind fourth place, in sixth place or eighth place 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.440 or whatever. But their challenge is they're still thirteenth in 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.120 the conference. That means you've got to climb a whole 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.560 bunch of teams just to get up into the mix 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.760 for those spots. So that's where you know, I keep 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.480 telling people, you keep talking about fourth place and those 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.240 kind of things, it's probably not happening because that means 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.560 they have to go on a incredible run the season. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.800 You'll probably only lose four or five more times in 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.160 their their final twenty five or so games, and then 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.159 that involves involves a whole bunch of teams in front 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.240 of them losing, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten times, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.680 and that's probably not gonna happen with all those teams. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.159 So their work is cut out for them. But they're 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.760 in a better place today than they were yesterday. I 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:25.760 think getting D'Angel, Russell, Jared Vanderbilt, and Malik Beasley is 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.400 huge for them, especially when the only guy that gave 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.279 up of any kind of consequence is Russell Westbrook and 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.200 it sounds like that was headed that direction anyway, if 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.640 we believe all the recording that's coming out today. So 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.240 they're definitely better. I did Thomas Bryant move that was 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.360 a little weird, but sounds like he didn't really want 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.080 to be there anymore either. Mobamba Da I'm not a 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.000 big Mobamba guy, So how much he'll he'll help them. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.160 But that's a better roster. It's a RUSS that certainly 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.360 makes a lot more sense. They have a lot more versatility, 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.040 so they're going to be really good. But by putting 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.359 themselves in the hole they did, it's going to be 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:00.800 hard to dig out of it. I think they get 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.360 into the playing tournament and then let's see what happens 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:03.760 from there. 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.200 Yeah, I'm curious about who Keith you think are going 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.120 to stay on that Lakers team, because you've got guys 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.720 on expirings, right, I think d los On in expiring. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:20.320 I can't remember if Beasley is as well, So you've 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.760 got that. Like, do do these moves give them? Is 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.480 this like kind of a gap year? Does this give 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.520 them more flexibility less flexibility heading into the offseason? 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.360 They basically have almost the same amount of flexibility that 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.120 they had prior to making any of these trades. I 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.600 think what's important to know with these guys is they're 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.480 in a spot where all of the players they took 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.600 on they've really got control over moving forward. So Dangel Russell, 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.040 you're right, he's an expiring contract. H Malik Beasley, there's 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.120 a team option for him, so the Lakers are controlled there. 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.400 Jared Vanderbilt is a very very light guaranteed amount for 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.920 next season. Mobamba is fully non guaranteed for next season, 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:03.000 same as is Devon Reed, who they got also from 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.800 the Nuggets and the Thomas Bryant trade. So they're in 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.640 a spot where they can still get to thirty million 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.120 dollars in cap space if they really want to. But 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.480 I think now what you're looking at is, well, we 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.520 kind of like Malik Beasley. If he plays well, we 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.520 keep him. We keep D'Angel Russell. I would not be 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.080 surprised if we see them extend D'Angel Russell. They can 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.560 give him a two year deal with a fairly minor 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.640 amount of rays I'm involved off of his current pay, 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.200 it would not be a surprise at all to me 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.840 they extend him, and then that aligns his timeline with 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.559 Lebron James and Anthony Davis, so they would all be 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.640 coming off the books at the same time. And if 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.400 they need to hit a big reset in a couple 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.160 of years, that's when. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.439 Though the Bucks added a great piece in Jake Crowder, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.160 Keith loves this move for Milwaukee as much as I do. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:48.640 Why is the question? 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.760 Yeah, George Hill, that moves like one named moneyball, Billy 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.679 Bean trades. Carlos panis so so artile, can't play him anymore, right, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.280 That's what they That's what that reminds me of. I'm 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.120 with you because Joean Carter should have played more than 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.480 him in the playoffs last year. Again s the Celtics, 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.680 but that's that's water under the bridge, I guess. So 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.240 I think Jay Crowders is a huge upgrade for them, 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.920 especially while they have Bobby Portis signelined. They needed to 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.000 get one more guy on the court that's kind of 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.199 coming off the bench, that's not six foot four, right, 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.200 you just needed a little bit more size. Crowders guy 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.440 who's been there, done that. He'll do a lot of 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.640 the dirty work as far as defensively, you'll get in 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.360 there and bang. You know, he's the kind of guy 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.079 he's gonna knock somebody down in a playoff game and 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.280 then not pick him up, and that's gonna get everybody 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.480 kind of going one way or another. The question with 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.880 him is is he gonna make shots? That's really it. 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.480 But they've got enough offensive cover that if he's not 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.240 making shots, they'll just pull him out and they'll play 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.680 somebody else. So I think that was a really good 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.000 depth edition for Milwaukee, considering they give up George Hill, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.360 Serge Ibaka, and I can't remember who the other guy 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:59.720 was now, Jordan Awara. Yeah, guys who don't necessarily play 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.120 for them, So yeah, why not? And they added a 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.440 little bit to their tax bill, which you know that 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.760 ownership group should be lauded for. They've paid significant money 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.720 to keep that team together and keep chasing titles. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.640 With the trade deadline kind of fizzle. Keith gives us 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.280 some insight into the buyout market, which is really about 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:17.000 to heat up. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.880 Yeah, you mentioned a couple of them. Reggie Jackson, it 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.199 sounds like he's gonna be out there. He gets traded 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.640 from the Clippers to the Hornets. I think Will Barton 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.480 is getting close with the Washington Wizards. He'll likely be waived. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.760 So these are all guys this is a little bit different. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.280 Normally what happens on the bio market is it's these 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.200 old veterans where it's kind of like I like to 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.200 say they're more name than game, and that just is 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.439 my way of saying, like, yeah, you recognize the name, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.440 but they're not very good like and they haven't been 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.440 very good for a number of years. But this is 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.240 a little bit different. Some of these guys can still 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.600 play and can still help teams, and there's not a 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.240 sense like a lot of times in normal years, it's 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.400 like this guy get traded, he's gonna be bought out, 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.679 and we all know where he's going this year. It's 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.560 a little bit different because there are so many contenders. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.439 A bunch of those contenders opened up roster spots. I 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.840 think Boston has an open roster squat, Phoenix has has 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.920 an ability to take somebody in as well. Those are 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.880 two teams that I know some of these guys are 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.040 definitely looking at. I think Chris Haynes reported that Reggie 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.319 Jackson may get a look for look from Phoenix and 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:18.840 that would make a lot of sense for them as 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.920 they try to retool a little bit of their depth 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.160 after adding Kevin Durant. So it's it's definitely going to 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.200 be a very very busy bio market for sure. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.079 The Clippers that are strange deadline day and Keith wonders 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.200 if they did enough to get over the hump. I'm curious, 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:37.360 Keith about the Clippers. I just don't get it. Honestly. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:38.920 I thought that they were going to try to make 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.960 a move for Fred van Fleet and now it looks like, 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.160 you know, you get rid of Reggie Jackson and you 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.480 get rid of John Wall and what you're going to 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.600 get now is Bones Highland and Russell Westbrook. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:52.040 What am I missing? 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.360 Yeah? I think the Mason Plummeley edition does help them. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.880 They needed any big behind Vitazuwacha all so that that 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.760 will help. But yeah, I mean, bones Hiland, this is 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.280 a guy the Nuggets, who are at the top of 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.920 the conference and presumably competing with the Clippers to get 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.360 to the finals. They were like, sure, we'll let them 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.920 go and for not even much of a return. So 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.720 that that to me is a little worried. So I 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.360 think they made their changes. They're gonna be a different 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.880 team now and that they're going to look different. But 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.320 but we'll see. I know they weren't happy with their 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.280 point guard play for most of the year with Reggie 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.440 Jackson the yeah wall, and now we'll see what what 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.360 it looks like with Terrence. Man's going to get the 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.880 run there, you know. But we'll see if they can 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.960 poach somebody on the buy out market or not. They'll 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.160 probably be pretty active. But yeah, a little bit of 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.760 a disappointment from the Clippers for sure, which is kind 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.160 of the term for this entire Clippers that were quite frankly. 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.120 Right, it's like they were supposed to get a point guard, right. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.040 Do you have any insight in terms of why that 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:50.640 fell apart. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.520 Yeah, I was told they really wanted Kyrie Irving and 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.640 that that was not just a smoke screen that they 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.120 were trying to get in on getting Kyrie, and that 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.080 turned into yeah, it just didn't go that way, and 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.640 they didn't have necessarily the same kind of assets to 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.160 send back because they're a little pick poor and those 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.440 kind of things there, and then then they just ultimately 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.200 chose to go a different direction. So, yeah, they didn't 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.840 get Fred van Vliet. There was Taka Kyle Lowry. I 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.559 was so Kyle Lowry's market was basically nail. Everybody was 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.920 kind of like, this guy looks like he might be done. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.640 Uh So I think for that Clippers they looked at 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.679 it and said it was them playing pretty good when 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.600 we actually show up and take it at least semi 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.880 seriously and play most of our guys. So we'll do 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:33.920 some additions around the edges and kind of keep it 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:34.560 moving that way. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.719 The Raptors or a team that was expected to make 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.560 many moves and instead ended up adding instead of selling, 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.040 getting Yaka Perl, instead of moving anyone. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.920 What does this mean? Test thoughts you. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.719 And me both and a lot of people around the league. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:49.960 It was you know, one of those things where everybody 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:51.880 kind of we got to about two thirty and was like, 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:53.520 all right, are we finally going to get the big 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.360 raptors trades to drop? And then they just never kind 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.800 of happened, and they were positioned. They made it pretty 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.680 clear early on, all right, really the end of last week, 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.720 like we're not gonna be full on sellers here. We're 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.559 gonna try to still be pretty good if we can. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.800 Where we're gonna, you know, maybe move some guys, but 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.840 we're gonna bring some guys in, and we don't want 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.400 to fully tear this thing down and bottom it out. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.040 And and Yaka Pertole is fine, and he'll be a 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.000 nice addition for them and it'll probably be their long 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.200 term center moving forward, but there's a lot more work 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.040 to be done on that roster. It's even a weirder 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:32.080 roster now because now everybody's to the slide, don't necessarily 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.600 really fit all that great in so I'm just really 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.000 not sure what they're doing. And that's where where a 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.640 lot of people were feels like a very big missed 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.600 opportunity for them when we saw what the prices some 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.800 of these guys were fetching that they didn't move ogn Nanobe, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.200 Fred Van Vliet, Gary Trent Junior, guys like that. 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.880 In this segment, Keith gets into the match and what 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.280 Kyrie means to them moving forward. Hint hint, he likes it. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.480 And then of course we get into the strange, bizarre 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:59.560 James Wiseman sagam. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.040 They're gonna be really really good offensively. They're really gonna 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.520 push and make it tough on other teams to defend them. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.440 It's essentially Kyrie Irving gives them a souped up version 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.160 of what Jalen Brunson was. I don't have the worries 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.560 that a lot of people came up with there's only 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.280 one ball, or these guys are gonna be able to 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.440 play together. Kyrie's played with Lebron, He's played with Kevin Durant. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.560 He's gonna be fine. He knows how to play with 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.640 other guys. In this year. He'll probably be on his 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.200 best behavior. The rest of the season. Everything will probably 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.160 be fine. It's year two, three and beyond. If it 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.040 goes that far where we'll probably see some kind of 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:37.080 circus that sends everything spiraling. But for now they should 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.280 be fine. They're challenges, they don't have anybody other than 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.600 Josh Green, who's a very young player that really plays 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.320 a lot of defense. MAXI Kleebl will come back and 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.920 he should help them defensively. But I think for them, 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.200 they're gonna have to try to beat teams, you know, 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.120 one twenty to one fifteen a lot of nights, and 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.600 we'll see if they've they've got enough offensive firepower to go. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.800 I think they're probably in a tier below some of 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.200 those other West teams are really loaded up and improve it. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.000 I'm really curious, Keith. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:08.840 The James Wiseman experiment comes to an end, and Joe 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.320 Lacob loved him some. James Wiseman boy. He did not 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.000 want to let him go. He did not want to 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.760 say it was a mistake. Somehow Bob Myers, in the 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.720 final year of his deal, figured out a way to 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.120 pry James Wiseman from Joe Lakob's hands, and they get 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.040 Gary Payton back. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.160 What do you make of what the Warriors did at 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:24.720 the deadline? 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.040 Yeah, I mean that's a pretty big upgrade because Gary 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.360 Payton can play, and we've no sense that James Wiseman 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.080 can and Gary Payton was a huge part of them 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.440 winning the title last year, so they're gonna get him 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.040 very obviously, right. They just plug him right back in 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.320 and just hey, do your thing, you know, do what 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.480 you do and they'll move forward with that. So that's 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.640 big for them to get a guy who can fill 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.520 rotation minutes and do a lot of things for them. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.560 For a guy who wasn't filling rotation minutes. It was 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.800 never going to work with James Wiseman and Golden State 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.000 has just gone too far. There's too much pressure on 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.280 him because they needed to win. You have the draft 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.920 status hanging over him. This fresh start for him in 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.800 Detroit is huge because he'll get there, get a chance 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:06.720 to play there. Well, we'll find out here over the 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.080 next couple of years if this kid can really play 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:10.840 or not. I think there's still a player in there. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.640 It just wasn't ever gonna happen in Golden State. And 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:15.600 kind of kudos for them. It took him a long 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.840 time to get there, but they finally did realize and 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.720 move away from this. Well silly, you know, we're gonna 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.440 have two timelines and you know, twenty years of dominance 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.439 and all this stuff build around your core. Now do 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.879 right by Steph and Clay and Dre and those guys 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:28.800 and try to win today. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.560 Yeah, it was just really following up on that. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.080 James Wiseman of the Pistons, it kind of feels like 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.560 he's a perfect Piston, right, just like feeding off of athleticism, 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.720 you know, not a lot of you know, a lot 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.680 more organized chaos or less organized chaos. 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.160 What does that mean? I guess for Jalen Duran too. 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.720 Yeah, kind of funny. Two Memphis guys right there that 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.120 are now gonna kind of go head to head. But think, 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.480 if you're the Pistons, let's throw him out there. You know, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.160 they'll well split the minutes down the middle. Whoever's playing better, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.320 We'll get more of them and we'll just figure it out. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.280 I think has really handled things since Kate Cunningham went 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.439 down and was kind of all right, our season is 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.960 not gonna go so great. It wasn't let's go completely 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.560 in the tank here and let's trade Bogdanovich and sit 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.920 all these guys, because then it gets really messy. And 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.320 if you're getting blown out and getting your head kicked 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.399 in every single night, you get nothing out of that. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.720