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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the Whitetail Woods. Present it by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 2: This week on the show, I'm answering your questions on

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Speaker 2: everything from the key traits that the most successful deer

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Speaker 2: hunters share, to my take on the top three days

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Speaker 2: to be in the white Tail Woods and more. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 2: by First Light and First Light Spector Whitetail Pattern, which,

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Speaker 2: if you don't know, is a part of the Camo

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Speaker 2: for Conservation program. Every purchase of a specter gear piece

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Speaker 2: of gear from First Letter or anyone else, a portion

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Speaker 2: of those proceeds go to support the National Deer Association.

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Speaker 2: So good stuff there. As we talked last week, we

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Speaker 2: chatted with Matt Ross from the National Deer Association and

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Speaker 2: we are on this whole topic about looking back on

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Speaker 2: the last ten years. This month we've kind of done

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Speaker 2: this retrospective of sorts. We are ten seasons deep into

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Speaker 2: the Wired Hunt podcast. So today I want to do

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Speaker 2: something that I've never done before. I don't think anything

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Speaker 2: like this has happened over these ten years, which is

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Speaker 2: that I am doing a completely solow podcast answering your questions.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to do a Q and A style episode,

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Speaker 2: which we have done, but today it's just going to

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Speaker 2: be me, no sidekick, no Dan Johnson, no Tony Peterson,

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Speaker 2: no Spencer Newhart, no further, just me and you. And

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Speaker 2: I kind of like this opportunity because this has been

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Speaker 2: a ten year journey. This has been a ten year

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Speaker 2: ride between me and you folks listening on your headphones

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Speaker 2: in the car on a run, doing the dishes, whatever

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Speaker 2: it is you're doing. We've got to form, you know,

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Speaker 2: some kind of relationship here. I don't want to sound hokey,

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Speaker 2: but I am appreciative of that, this opportunity that I've

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Speaker 2: to share this thing that I love so much with you,

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Speaker 2: and hopefully you've been able to learn from that, this

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Speaker 2: passion that I've had for deer and deer hunting and

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Speaker 2: the outdoors and learning about all this kind of stuff,

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Speaker 2: you know, over these last ten years, my goal has

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Speaker 2: been and I think anyone who's listened should know this

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Speaker 2: hopefully has been to take you along this journey with me.

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Speaker 2: You know, from the outset. When I started Wired to

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Speaker 2: Hunt fifteen years ago. You know, my, my, the thing

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Speaker 2: of this kind of stuff. It was more so this

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Speaker 2: basic premise. The premise was that I love deer and

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Speaker 2: deer hunting and the outdoors, all these kinds of things,

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Speaker 2: and I so badly want to learn more about it.

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Speaker 2: I want to dive into this world. I want to

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Speaker 2: can to be enriched by it and become better at

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Speaker 2: of these things and explore these new ideas and these

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Speaker 2: the fifteen years of What You're Hunting, the ten years

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Speaker 2: have come a long ways. For those of you who've

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Speaker 2: you've been along for that evolution and that you've grown.

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Speaker 2: which is I feel like I've learned so so much.

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Speaker 2: I've learned so many different ideas about deer, hunting, about deer,

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Speaker 2: feel like I'm a totally different person now, and none

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Speaker 2: it weren't for this platform and this opportunity to talk

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Speaker 2: to you guys every week, to share my thoughts, to

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Speaker 2: We've tackled a whole lot over the years when it

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Speaker 2: you can use your pictures up until that point pretty confidently.

432
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: But for those of you that start in late September

433
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 2: or October, I would approach summer pictures in this way.

434
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: Number One, it's just getting a general sense of what's

435
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 2: the deer heard like in that area, because even though

436
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: there will be some deer that move in the fall,

437
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: what you see in July and August will give you

438
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: a general census of, like, what's the general thing here.

439
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: What's the quality of deer? Are there A lot of deer?

440
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: Are there? Not a lot of deer? Are there? A

441
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: lot of bucks? Are there? Not? A lot of bucks?

442
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: Are there? Does this have a fairly even age class?

443
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 2: By that, I mean like, are there mature bucks here?

444
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: Are there? Medium age bucks? Are there? Young bucks? Those

445
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: are the kinds of things that I would like to

446
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 2: know when learning a new hunting area, if you have

447
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: goals related to killing a mature buck or something like that,

448
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: these summer pictures can go a long ways towards telling you,

449
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: you know, is that even in the cards in this

450
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: zone or no. Now, you got to remember you might

451
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: have a piece of habitat that has high quality summer

452
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: food that might draw mature bucks in in July, and

453
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: then it might not be present though in October, so

454
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: you might lose those deer or vice versa. You might

455
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: have a property that you know does not have high

456
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: quality summer food, so you get no good pictures in

457
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: the summer. But then in the fall, if you were

458
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: to stick around, there is high quality you know, late

459
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: fall habitat, food, dough habitat, whatever might be, and those

460
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: bucks might come cruising through. So don't jump to conclusions

461
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: too much based off summer pictures. Again, it's giving you

462
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: a general idea, it's giving you a hint of what's

463
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: to come. But probably the biggest thing for me is

464
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: just getting you know, some number of bucks on camera

465
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: that helped me develop you know, a target list of

466
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: sorts of the bucks that might be around that fall

467
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: that I'm hoping to hunt that year. And you know,

468
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: especially in places that you've hunted year after year, you

469
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: can start seeing like, Okay, this buck is a buck

470
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: that's back from last year. Like you can recognize this

471
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: deer year after year. You can see how they've grown,

472
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: you can see how you know, you can start to age,

473
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: start to get a guess of Okay, you know last

474
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: year this year really looked like a two year old

475
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: or maybe a three year old. And now looking at him,

476
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: now he's back again. Okay, I feel pretty confident. Yeah,

477
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: he's probably still he's probably three, so last year was two.

478
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 2: You can start putting together an idea of you know,

479
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: is this a buck I want to hunt this year?

480
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: Is it not? And just you know, start putting those

481
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: early pieces together. I would guess. And this depends on

482
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: how large a property is in your area. But for me,

483
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: you know, most of the places I hunt are less

484
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: than one hundred acres, and on average, I would say,

485
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: let's stay with that rough area of one hundred acres

486
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: that maybe two thirds of the bucks that I have

487
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: on camera in the summer will still be around in

488
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 2: the fall. But I lose about a third. By that,

489
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: I mean they shift to a new range in the fall.

490
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: So that said, though you know, fifty to two thirds

491
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: of the bucks I get on camera likely still be

492
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: deer I can hunt that fall, so it is worthwhile

493
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: to get pictures of him in the summer. It's worthwhile

494
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: to study to see how they've grown, to help start

495
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: to put together an idea of age. And probably the

496
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: most important part is just confirming that this buck is

497
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: back around, because I again, if you're hunting an area

498
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: where you've hunted in the past, you will hopefully have

499
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: been kind of putting together data on these deer. By that,

500
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: I mean you know, recorded all of your stings of

501
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: that deer, different encounters you've had with that deer, trail

502
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: camera pictures of that deer from past years. So going

503
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: into a new season, you know, I would be thinking,

504
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: you know, for example, there's a buck I'm hunting this

505
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: year called the Wide nine, and going into this coming

506
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: hunting season, you know, I've seen him for three years,

507
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: so I have a whole lot of information about where

508
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: this deer has been in the past, what he's done

509
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: in the past. So this season, if I get confirmation

510
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: that he's alive, that all of a sudden changes my

511
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: plans heading the year, because now if I know that

512
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: the Wide nine is alive, if I get some pictures

513
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: of him in July and August now and okay, the

514
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: Wide nine is back, now, it's like all systems go

515
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: for operation how to hunt the Wide nine. So I'm

516
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: gonna know, Okay, based on what I know he did

517
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: last year, I really need to move this stand in

518
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: that stand, and based on the fact that he disappeared

519
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 2: in November was back in December. You know, I know

520
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: that I need to have more of my stands or

521
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: more of my plans focused around a late season strategy

522
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. If you get that confirmation of

523
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: him being alive leading into the year, it allows you

524
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: to start to focus your efforts in this kind of way.

525
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: On the flip side, if you don't run summer pictures

526
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: and you start doing you know, your prep and you

527
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: have no idea if he's back or not, you're all

528
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: of a sudden, maybe wasting your time because maybe he's

529
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: not back, maybe he's dead, and you're wasting out your

530
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: efforts putting together the specific plan for him, or vice versa.

531
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: Maybe there is some other buck that is back that

532
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: you could have been focusing on, but instead you were

533
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: just hoping for this one deer that isn't even around anymore.

534
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: So your summer trail camera pictures can help you prioritize

535
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 2: your efforts and start to get that early list of Hey,

536
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: these are the deer I'm interested in targeting, and this

537
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: is how I'm going to do it. So this is

538
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: only relevant though if you are you know, someone who's

539
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: going to target mature bucks or specific box or something

540
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: like that, you certainly don't have to do that. I

541
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: guess maybe the last thing worth mentioning is that it

542
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: is just fun, and maybe that's maybe that you know,

543
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: maybe I just wasted the last five minutes of your time,

544
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: because really, more than anything, summer trail cameras are just fun.

545
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: It is fun to see what's out there. It's fun

546
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: to follow along with these deer as they grow their

547
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: antlers and you get to see what they're doing. At

548
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: this time of the year, it's just that time of

549
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: year when our own excitement is growing, and so to

550
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: parallel that with getting pictures, the first antler pictures of

551
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: the year, that is just exciting. So if for no

552
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: other reason, do it for a good time. All the

553
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: rest of this is gravy on top. So that is

554
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: question number one. Next question it's from Tommy and he asks,

555
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: what is it that you think all successful big buck

556
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: killers have in common? So what are the traits? What

557
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: do the best deer hunters in the world have in common.

558
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: It's a great question. It's something I thought a lot about,

559
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: mostly because we've had the opportunity here on this podcast

560
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: to talk to many of those best deer hunters in

561
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: the world, and we've got to talk to so many

562
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: different folks, and one thing that I think is really

563
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: important to note is that many of these people do

564
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: things in wildly different ways. So there's a lot of

565
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: things that are not consistent. There are a lot of

566
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: things that they do not have in common. There are

567
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: people that are really, really, really good at deer hunting

568
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: that disagree with each other vehemently. Like if you took

569
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: one of our podcast guests who's killed a lot of

570
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: deer and another podcast guests who's killed a lot of

571
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: deer and put them on the podcast together, some of

572
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: these folks might just sit and argue the whole time

573
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: about how they think the other person is a knucklehead. Okay,

574
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: so there are people with very divergent ways of doing

575
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 2: this stuff. What's nice about being in my position, in

576
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: your position as the listener, is that we've gotten to

577
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: hear from all these different people and we've realized and

578
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: seeing that they're all having success. They're all doing it,

579
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: and they're doing it in different ways. So I just

580
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: want to emphasize, you don't have to do it any

581
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: one way. It's not a black and white thing. It's

582
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: not a you know, this person's way or this person's way,

583
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: and you're wrong if you're in the other camp. That's

584
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: just not true. So you know, I won't name names,

585
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: but uh, there's a whole lot of petty arguing in

586
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: this community, unfortunately, between some of the leaders I guess

587
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: in this space successful hunters about who's better or who's

588
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: doing it right, or who doesn't know what they're doing.

589
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: And I would just like to step in and simply

590
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: say that it all works. There's many different ways to

591
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: skin this cat. Let's stop arguing about who's better, or

592
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: who's got the right way, or who's dumb or who's

593
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: not right, whatever it is. There are many, many, many

594
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: ways to be a successful deer hunter. Now, all of

595
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: that said, I do think there are a few common

596
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: traits that all of these different people with different specific

597
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: strategies do have in common, like three foundational elements. I

598
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: think one of them is that all of the successful

599
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: deer hunters that I know, that everyone we've had in

600
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: this podcast that has demonstrated consistent success is always learning.

601
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: They never stop learning about deer, deer behavior, the habitat.

602
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: This is a lifelong process. They are always digging in.

603
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: They are always trying to understand what's going on right now,

604
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: and a key thing here, why is this happening? This

605
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: is something Tony I talked about a couple weeks ago,

606
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: is a key question. Always ask why. The best deer

607
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: hunters in the world are always asking why and trying

608
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: to answer that question. Anytime you're in the woods and

609
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: you see something, whether it's a deer setting or a

610
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: piece of sign on the ground, a rub on a tree,

611
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: a track crossing the creek, a buck running off from

612
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: the distance out of a brush pile you just walked by,

613
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: always ask why why did this happen? Why was he here?

614
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 2: Why did he walk through here? Why did he run away?

615
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: Why did this work? Why did this not work? Why

616
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: am I not seeing what I thought i'd see? Why

617
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: am I seeing more than I thought i'd see? Always

618
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: always ask why? Never stop learning. The best deer hundreds

619
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: in the world are constantly doing that. They are constantly

620
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: digging deeper, They are constantly immersing themselves in this world

621
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: and trying to understand the underlying questions of why is

622
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: this happening, how did this come to be? What can

623
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: I learn from it? That is absolutely essential. Don't ever

624
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: sit back on your haunches and think you got it

625
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: all figured it out. Don't kick back and just let

626
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: stuff happen. If you want to become a better deer hunter,

627
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: you constantly have to be taking in your surroundings, taking

628
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: in the situation and processing it, analyzing it, thinking it through.

629
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: Deer hunting, and really all hunting is basically a data

630
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: collection game and analysis. It's taking in a whole bunch

631
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: of information and then trying to make the best possible

632
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: decision based on all that information. That process that underlies

633
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: all of that is this asking why what does this mean?

634
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: Why this? What does that do? How does this work? Ask? Ask? Ask, search, search, search,

635
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: keep on learning. Rule number one of being a successful

636
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: deer hunter right there. Number two and a coffee break here,

637
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: real quick number two. I think all consistent deer hunters

638
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: have to be adaptable. By that, I mean they have

639
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: to be able to read the current situation and adjust.

640
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of subpart deer hunters go into

641
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: a hunting situation with a plan or with a you know, play,

642
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: a thing they're gonna do, and they just do it.

643
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: They've got their favorite tree, well, I'm just gonna go

644
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: to my favorit tree and sit there. Or they've got

645
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: that blind that they love and it's comfortable and it's dry,

646
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: and they just go and sit that. Or they maybe

647
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: have this one general idea, which is, hey got a

648
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: lot of trail camera pictures of the old mossy horns,

649
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: and he's always hitting the corn feeder. So I'm hunting

650
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: the corn feeder and I'm hunting daylight till dusk for

651
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: the next seven days, and uh, you know that's gonna

652
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: be what's gonna be. The best deer hunters do not

653
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: do that. The best deer hunters have a plan going

654
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: into a hunt or going into a season, or going

655
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: into a day, but they also have a plan B

656
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: and They also have a Plan C and Plan D,

657
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: and they know that every time you go into the woods,

658
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: or every time a hunting season starts, or every time

659
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: you head out on a trip, you have an idea

660
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: in your head of what might be coming up, and

661
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: then when you get there on the ground, you then

662
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: get to see what the actual pieces on the ground are.

663
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: And you also recognize that those pieces on the ground,

664
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 2: the realities you have in front of you, they might

665
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: change today tomorrow, in the middle of the hunt or

666
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: the middle of the season. The best deer hunters in

667
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: the world constantly are assessing what is the landscape? So

668
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: what's happening? And how do I adjust to it? What's

669
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: changing right now? How do I adjust? What's different than

670
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: I thought it would be? How do I adjust? They

671
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: are adaptable, They are capable of adjusting to change. This

672
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: is something. This is, you know, an incredibly useful trait

673
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: in daily life. The only consistent thing in life is change, right,

674
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: And I think that's very true in the world of

675
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: hunting as well. Stuff is fluid, stuff's changing. Surprises are inevitable.

676
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: The best deer hunters in the world know how to adjust,

677
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: They know how to react. They don't get stifled by change.

678
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: They don't see something new and get paralyzed by it,

679
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: or ignore it and just bullheadily plunge forward with their

680
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: original plan. If you want to be consistent, if you

681
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: want to be successful, you have to be willing to pivot.

682
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: You have to be willing to climb up in your

683
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: tree stand in the morning, and then as that morning

684
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: progresses see six, seven, eight nine, deer all pass on

685
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: that crete crossing that you didn't think they'd be using. That's,

686
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: you know, seventy five yards away from your stand, and

687
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: you realize, well, crap, I made my guests wrong. They're

688
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: not using this spot, they're using that spot. The subpar

689
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: deer hunter stays in that tree stand because it's hard

690
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: to yank down your set and move to the new place.

691
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: That takes work and it's inconvenient. The consistently successful deer

692
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: hunter adjusts based on what they're seeing on the ground.

693
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: They see deer doing something different than what they thought.

694
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna adapt. Let's pull do my set,

695
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: move to the place the best deer hun there's the world.

696
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: We're head off on a week long trip to some

697
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: public land that they scout in the spring, and they

698
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: got to know it well and they get out there

699
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: and they're excited because they saw great sign the spring

700
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: and they start hunting and they all shoot. Day one,

701
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: there's two other trucks there. Day two, three trucks. Day three. Man,

702
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 2: I tried this other side of the property. There's people

703
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: here too, There's people all over the place. The hunting

704
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: pressures dramatically change the deer activity. Hmm. Do you stick

705
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: with that plan you made back in the spring. You

706
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: invested time and scouting it and figuring it out, and man,

707
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: now it's just not what you thought it was going

708
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: to be. Subpar Deer hunters going to say, Wow, I'll

709
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: just keep doing what I'm comfortable doing. The consistently successful,

710
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: the elite, the best of the best, the better than

711
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: the average hunter is going to say nope, news out

712
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: of circumstances on the ground, I'm pivoting. I'm going to adapt.

713
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to try something new. I'm gonna try a

714
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 2: new area. I'm gonna think about this in a different

715
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: kind of way. I'm going to adapt to the realities

716
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: in the ground. I'm gonna analyze this new situation and

717
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: then figure out what I need to do to find

718
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: success in this new situation. That is core foundational trade

719
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: Number two. Of those best deer hunters last, the best

720
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: deer hunters in the world, consistently successful deer hunters all persevere.

721
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: They are all hard workers. They persist through hard times,

722
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: they persist through challenges, They persevere through the low points,

723
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: they get through the valleys to reach those high points.

724
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: You will not find a good deer hunter out there

725
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: that I know of that cannot push through and put

726
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: in the time, the effort, the stick toitiveness to actually

727
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: be out there, to actually put in the time to

728
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: learn to actually suffer through whatever challenges there might be

729
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: that will eventually get you through to the other side

730
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: where success lives. You have to persevere, you have to

731
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: be willing to put in the work in the time.

732
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: It's just non negotiable unless you will, you know, unless

733
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: you're not hunting and you're just shooting. If you just

734
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: want to show up on some outfitter or some preserve

735
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: or something like that and be carted out to your

736
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: spot and sit up there and just pull the trigger,

737
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: sure you can do that without perseverance. In my book,

738
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: that's not really hunting. If you want to be a

739
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: real successful out in the real world diy hunter. You

740
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: have to be able to push through some crap. You

741
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: have to be able to weather the inevitable tough times,

742
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: the bad weather, the early mornings, the long days, the mishaps,

743
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: the speed bumps. There's a lot of stuff that's going

744
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 2: to go wrong. There are going to be a lot

745
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: of moments where you think, man, I don't know what

746
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: to do, or I don't know how I managed to

747
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: screw up, or I can't believe that I screwed this

748
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: up for the tenth time, or how come everybody else

749
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: seems to make this look so easy, but for me,

750
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: I just can't figure it out. Or maybe you have

751
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: figured it out, and then today, of all days, you

752
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: get the chance of a lifetime and you blow it.

753
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, those best deer hunters push through it.

754
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: They look at these obstacles and they say, Okay, the

755
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: way is through it. You gotta get to the other

756
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: side of the obstacle to get to the things you want.

757
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: That is what the most successful deer hunters have in common.

758
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: They never stop learning. They're always quick to pivot and adapt,

759
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: and they persevere through the tough stuff. There's a whole

760
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: lot of other extraneous things around that that you can

761
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: do differently. You can hunt food plots, or you can

762
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: hunt in the saddle. You can hunt in the ground blind.

763
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: You can hunt public land or private. You can manage

764
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 2: habitat or you can scout for seventy five days. You

765
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: can use trail cameras or zonax. You can use scent

766
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: wis or no wis, or synthetic based layers or old

767
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: based layers. You can do all the cent control in

768
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: the world, or you can ignore it all and throw

769
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: it to the wind. Whatever it is you want to do.

770
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: There are many, many, many, many different ways to do this,

771
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: but you need to always be learning, always be asking why.

772
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: You have to stay adaptable. You gotta be quick on

773
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: your feet and pivot when you need to, and you

774
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: need to persevere. You gotta push through the swamp to

775
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: get to the other side. If you can do those

776
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: three things, heck, you might not even need this podcast.

777
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: At this point. You've listened to all the different little ideas,

778
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: strategies and tips, and then if you can live those

779
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: three core foundational principles. If you can live those things,

780
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: you are gonna fill your tags. You're gonna fill your freezer,

781
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna feed your family, You're probably gonna put some

782
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: bone on the wall. And uh, that's all I gotta

783
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: say on that. So question number two in the books,

784
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: let's move through these a little more quickly. I realized

785
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: when I'm the one talking, I can be quite long winded.

786
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: Justin ask what are your top three days to be

787
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: in the White Tail Woods every year? I Am going

788
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: to answer this question partly from an effectiveness standpoint, partly

789
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: from a fun standpoint. So number one, I always want

790
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: to be out there opening day. So whatever state that is,

791
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: and we'll just say Michigan since that's my home state,

792
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: I want to be out there in October first, no

793
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: matter what, a opening day is just so much fun.

794
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: It's that day you've been looking forward to. You've been

795
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: dying for the season to kick off, so you can't

796
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: miss opening Day. But number two, it is I believe

797
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: one of your best chances to kill a deer, because

798
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: up to this point, as long as you haven't been

799
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: out there screwing around, mucking it up, spooking the deer,

800
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: as long as you've left it alone leading an opening day,

801
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: those deer on opening days should not be too pressured.

802
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: They should not be caught onto what's happening yet, so

803
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: they're going to be sticking to their patterns, hopefully still

804
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 2: moving in daylight, and still going to be doing stuff

805
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: that you can take advantage of as a hunter, one

806
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: of your best chances to catch them unaware. So I

807
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: will not be miss the opening day. And I like,

808
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: you know, opening nights. I don't like to go in

809
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: the mornings often, at least the places that I have

810
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: I do have great morning locations for early season that

811
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: don't really risk messing up your evening hunt. So opening

812
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: evening is like one of my favorite hunts of the

813
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: entire year. Now after that, I think I'm torn between

814
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: either giving myself two days during the rut or one

815
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: day in peak rut and then one day in late

816
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: season with certain conditions. So I don't know if that

817
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: is allowed. I'm gonna answer the question both ways. So first,

818
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: if i'm just picking dates, I'm taking October first, and

819
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna take November first and November ninth. And

820
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: so what I'm going for here is I'm yeah, maybe

821
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: November seventh or eighth, November one I want because that's

822
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: like the rut is just ramping up. The deer out

823
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: there seeking chasing. They're definitely not locked down yet. They

824
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: shouldn't be locked down yet, but there's a lot of

825
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 2: that travel going on. And really October thirty one, November first,

826
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: right around there, you're probably still gonna have Bucks, you know,

827
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: hanging out in their local areas. So if you know

828
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: an area, if you know a deer, well, you still

829
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: have a chance of taking, you know, taking advantage of

830
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: that knowledge you have before Bucks start really widely ranging

831
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: beyond their territory doing things that are out of character.

832
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: If you're out there on the thirty first of the

833
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: first and you're in a bucks core home range that

834
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: you know, well, there's a good chance he's still there,

835
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: but he's moving in daylight more so, that's a great opportunity.

836
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: And then I do want that November eighth, We'll say

837
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cut the difference. I'mna say November eighth. I

838
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: like that time period because now you're peak rut. Now

839
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: you're like fully revved. You're almost to when they're all breeding,

840
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: but you're not quite to lockdown. There's Bucks running from

841
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: all over the place. You know, it's hard to beat

842
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 2: that seventh, eighth, nine time period when you've just got

843
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: a lot of chaos going on in the woods. Hopefully

844
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: if you've got the right weather, if you're in the

845
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: right zone near some dough betting man, great time to

846
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: be in the woods. So those are the three dates.

847
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: Probably the only exception I would add is like if

848
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: I could pick you know, December twenty fourth, with like

849
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: two degrees and a foot of fresh snow on the ground,

850
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: and if I had like an amazing winter food source,

851
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: like maybe the farmer couldn't, you know, harvest the back

852
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: two acres of beans or something like that, so I've

853
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: had standing beans and those conditions, that would be an

854
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: incredible day. I'd want that. George asks, when you're introducing

855
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: younger kids to hunting, how long do you think is

856
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 2: a good length of time out in the woods for

857
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: those first hunts and what are some key snacks or

858
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: activities to bring to keep them occupied when times are slow? So, yeah,

859
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: great question. Something I've been dealing with in recent years

860
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: here taking my oldest not hunting so far, my youngest

861
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: has not been deer hunting yet, but my he was

862
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 2: four last year, he was really into it. Took him

863
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: on a lot of hunts. I think we did eight

864
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: or nine days hunting. Some of those days were morning

865
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: hunts and evening hunts. Some of those days were just

866
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: evening hunts. But what I found was that, you know,

867
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: two hours was about the max I was shooting for

868
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: for a four year old, and you know, I was

869
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: trying to take him in, you know, at least for

870
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: those evening hunts, like places where I knew we'd be

871
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: able to see some stuff. So even if there might

872
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: not be much in range, there was going to be

873
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: opportunities to see deer. So I wanted to make it

874
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 2: like exciting from that perspective, So an hour or two,

875
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: making sure he's warm and comfortable, making sure there's a

876
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: chance to see some critters, and then just trying to

877
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 2: keep it fun. So I did bring tons of snacks.

878
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: Snacks were an absolute critical part of the puzzle. It

879
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: was like every twenty minutes, maybe less, maybe fifteen minutes,

880
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: it was like some new snacks I was bringing, you know,

881
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: granola bars, cookies, little pieces of candy, goldfish, apple sauce packets,

882
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: yogurt packets. I brought a thermisful hot chocolate. So just

883
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: lots of stuff. Like that that you know, not necessarily healthy,

884
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: but in this case, the thing is like, I want

885
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: to give him these fun little treats throughout the day,

886
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: you know, to help, you know, continue that positive association

887
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: between you know, going out with dad to do this

888
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: cool thing and then you also get to have these

889
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: fun little treats along the way. Just makes the whole

890
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: thing a little bit more special, and you know, it

891
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: helps them pass some of that time, you know, in

892
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: which you know, sitting quietly for two hours for a

893
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: four year old is not easy to do, so food

894
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: was key. I also brought books and so I would

895
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: kind of whisper read to him books. On occasion. I

896
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: let him bring little animal figurines so he could play

897
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: with his animals down beneath the edge of the blind,

898
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: different things like that. Brought his own binocular so he

899
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: could scan and search. You know. Something I did one

900
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: day which was a pretty cool idea was I have

901
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: an old camcorder that I don't use much anymore, but

902
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: he's really he thinks it's really cool to take pictures

903
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: or videos, and so I gave him this little camcorder

904
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: to try to video some of the critters we were

905
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: seeing and again, that's like giving him a job, giving

906
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: him like a role, And I think that helps a

907
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: young child, you know, feel invested in the activity and

908
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: gives them some ownership, makes it a little bit more exciting.

909
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 2: So doing something like that was kind of a cool

910
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: idea that I think helped. So those are the things

911
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: that I've done so far. I've tried to avoid, you know,

912
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: placating them with a screen, you know, on one hunt.

913
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: I feel like there was one night where I really

914
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: wanted us to make it to the end of the night,

915
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: but he was struggling, so I'd let him watch something

916
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: on my phone. I felt really guilty about that afterwards.

917
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: So I've been trying to find if he if they

918
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: can't be fully watching what's going on, having to do

919
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: something that's still you know, positive other than some kind

920
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: of technology that's just me. I think being out there

921
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: is better than not being out there. So if you

922
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 2: have to bring a little tablet or something that's that's

923
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: you know, it could be worse, I certainly think. But

924
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: I do think there's plenty of options of things to

925
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: play with, things to do out there in the blind,

926
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: sitting on the ground, whatever it is. They can keep

927
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: them engaged and happy and excited without having to resort

928
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: to that. So can't tell you how much fun that

929
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: was to have my son out there with me this

930
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: past year. He's very excited this year to come again

931
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: in his younger brother, who's now three, seems like he

932
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: wants to come out and join the party. So it's

933
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: gonna be very interesting this year with a three year

934
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: old and a five year old. Yeah, let's see here.

935
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: Next question is from z Minton. This is a quick

936
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: as he asked me about some fly fishing stuff. What

937
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: right rod do I use? And for what fish species?

938
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: So I do love fly fishing. That is my second

939
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: love after white tail hunting, and been getting after pretty

940
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 2: hard these recent years. So I primarily use a five

941
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 2: weight in a seven way. So my five weights are

942
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: my all around you know, do everything trout rod so

943
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: dry fly fishing, nymphin small streamers, stuff like that. That's

944
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: like if I'm gonna grab any one rod, it's that,

945
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: you know. I've even used it for pan fishing and

946
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: stuff back east. It's effective for a lot of stuff.

947
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: You could fish for small mouth, you could fish for

948
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: all sorts of things. So I've used it for just

949
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: about all of those small to medium size critters. I

950
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: do have a couple seven weights that I have been

951
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: using for saltwater fishing and big streamer fishing. So if

952
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: you're fishing, you know, for big browns up in northern

953
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 2: Michigan early in the year or late in the fall

954
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: and you're just you know, houckin' streamers, a seven weight

955
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: is a pretty good option for that. I've also used

956
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: that fishing down in Florida for saltwater species snook, and

957
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: even hooked into a handful of tarpain last year on

958
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: my seven weight as well. So those are the two

959
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: that I use the most for the you know, for

960
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: those syts of species. Question here from Jack, how do

961
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: you judge a conservation group's effectiveness? It's a really interesting question,

962
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: and you know, I think there's a couple of things

963
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: you can do. Many organizations put out a report that

964
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: kind of showcase where their money goes and what their

965
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: impact has been. So if you are, you know, trying

966
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: to prioritize where you want to donate your time or

967
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: your money, your membership dollars, your advocacy efforts, whatever it

968
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: might be, I certainly think it's a good idea to

969
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: go and look at their impact report and you know,

970
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: read up on the things that they are reporting back

971
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: to their membership as having done. How do they spend

972
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: their money? Most organizations, you know, spend a very small

973
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: amount of their money, at least the best organizations spend

974
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: a small amount of money on their you know, overhead,

975
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: like just running their staff and all that kind of stuff,

976
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: and the vast majority of their funding should go to

977
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: the resource, should go to, you know, whatever kind of

978
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: advocacy or education or work on the ground that they're doing.

979
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: I think I think it's fair to say most that

980
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: I can think of, as I'm thinking back on these

981
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: that I've read, probably ninety percent or more of their

982
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: funding usually goes to that kind of stuff. I think

983
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: that's a pretty good benchmark. I would tell you that

984
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: I look at a conservation group and I look at

985
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: the impact they have on a couple of different fronts.

986
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: Number one, Now, every different you know, conservation group is

987
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: going to have a different mission and model of what

988
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: they're doing. Right, There's some groups that are primarily just advocacy.

989
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: There's some that are primary you know, on the groundwork.

990
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: There's some that are primarily educating, so understanding you know,

991
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: what's this organization trying to do? But I want to

992
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: see like real world impact. I you know, there's some

993
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: groups that talk a lot. I want to see a

994
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 2: group that actually leads to changes happening in the world.

995
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: So I want to see an organization that is doing

996
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 2: something that tangibly changes either the landscape or the resource.

997
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: So an organization that is doing something that I can

998
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: point to that has helped public lands or wildlife or

999
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: the protection of wild places on private land. I want

1000
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: to see an organization that is either physically doing getting

1001
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: people out to be out there doing the work, or

1002
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: if not physically, I want them to be an organization

1003
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: that is doing something, whether it's giving money or time

1004
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: or advocating for work that has those things being protected

1005
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: in some way. Secondly, I think, you know, I would

1006
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: judge a conservation group effectiveness by how, you know, well

1007
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: it can rally public action and support. I don't think

1008
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: many conservation groups that operate in a silo get much done.

1009
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: So if a group just you know, has their staff

1010
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: members doing the work, that's fine, but I would not

1011
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: call that a terribly effective organization. The best conservation organizations

1012
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: are those that can have an effective staff, but then

1013
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: rally a grassroots community to do something together. So you know,

1014
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 2: that might be an organization getting a bunch of volunteers

1015
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: to come out and do work on public land. That

1016
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: might be an organization rallying the public to all go

1017
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: and you know, show up at the capitol and you know,

1018
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: hold up signs saying, you know, don't do this or

1019
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: please do this, or whatever it might be. It's an

1020
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: organization that can move a larger group of people to

1021
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: make change happen. That is an effective conservation group in

1022
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: my mind. And then I do think that, you know,

1023
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: as part of that, having influence on decision makers. So

1024
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: I want a conservation group. Most all conservation groups have

1025
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: this as part of their mission, that being to influence

1026
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: those people that hold the keys, that hold the purse, strings,

1027
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: that hold the gavel, whatever it might be, that have

1028
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: the decision making power to you know, influence on a

1029
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: high level. So conservation group is most effective if it

1030
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: has influence, if it has inroads, if it has the

1031
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: ability to influence a senator to vote you know, positively

1032
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: towards some kind of conservation legislation, or if it has

1033
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: some form of influence on a fish and Game Commission

1034
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: or a state game agency or you know, the Forest Service,

1035
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Those most effective organizations are able to

1036
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: throw their weight around, are able to rally their membership

1037
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: to get big decisions made that influence hunting or fishing

1038
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: or wildlife or wild places. So there's a lot of

1039
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: different ways of doing these things. You know. The groups

1040
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: that I support the most and that I think do

1041
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: a really good job of this include organizations like Backcountry

1042
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: Hunters and Anglers, Trout Unlimited, the National Deer Association, the

1043
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, which is unique in that it's

1044
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, they're really an organization that rallies a bunch

1045
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: of other organizations and partners together to do this kind

1046
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: of stuff. But they do a very good job of

1047
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: leading in that way. You know, those are a few

1048
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: of my favorites. There's you know, no shorte of others.

1049
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: I think Pheasants Forever is another really cool example of

1050
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: an organization that has, you know, has a strong grassroots

1051
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: community and then does a ton of really good work

1052
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: on the ground. Like their habitat first model I think

1053
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: is super strong. You know, RF Turkey. There's a bunch

1054
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: of different you know organizations that are doing this thing.

1055
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: So it's a matter of finding, you know, what's your passion,

1056
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: what's your you know which one of these resonates with

1057
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: you the most. But I think those three main silos

1058
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: of efforts that I mentioned are what I look at

1059
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: when trying to figure out where do I really want

1060
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: to put my money, time, and energy. All Right, Plank

1061
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: asks what kind of tree is your favorite to put

1062
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: a stand in? It's a great question, and uh, I

1063
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: would say this. My favorite tree to put a stand

1064
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: in is the tree that gives me a close range

1065
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: shot at a spot that should funnel deer into for

1066
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: many different reasons, and that keeps me well covered with

1067
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: safe wind. So that is the perfect tree that doesn't

1068
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: exist in many situations. And I know that's not exactly

1069
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: what he was asking for, but if I had my drothers,

1070
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: I would have a tree in a location like that,

1071
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, having lots of cover. So because of that,

1072
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: my favorite kinds of trees are usually like a good

1073
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: oak tree. Oak trees tend to have a lot of branches,

1074
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of cover up in the tree.

1075
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: They hold their leaves later into the year, so there's

1076
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: a decent chance you're still gonna have some leaves up there,

1077
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: and then the bark is not too terribly loud. It's

1078
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: not ripping off the tree, you know, like some of

1079
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: those hickories and different trees like that, or birch or

1080
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: you know, certain cottonwoods with like a bajillion dead branches

1081
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: on them. There's certain trees that have sound issues or

1082
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: clearing issues if you want to get that cover. But

1083
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: oak seems to be pretty silent and pretty good for cover.

1084
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: You know, pine trees, cedar trees, those types can be

1085
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: great for cover as well. And if you have a

1086
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: tree like that that you can prep in the off season,

1087
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: that can be great. You can get very very hidden

1088
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: up in an evergreen tree. The only reason why I

1089
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: would pick an oak over that would be, you know,

1090
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: thinking through a running gun situation, because you know, if

1091
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to set up a new set right now,

1092
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: the damn hunting, I don't want to have to cut

1093
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: down a lot of limbs. And that's the nice thing

1094
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: about oak trees is usually that's say just enough cover,

1095
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: but not so much that you have to cut fifteen

1096
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: limbs to be able to have a way to climb

1097
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: into the tree and clear out a spot to sit

1098
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: and have a few shooting lanes. It's like that sweet spot.

1099
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: A lot of pine trees, cedars, stuff like that. They

1100
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: tend to be on the other side so much cover

1101
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: that you have to carve out a path for you

1102
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: to climb up into it and carve out a window

1103
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: for you to sit and see. So great if you

1104
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: can do that in you know, spring or summer, but

1105
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: on the day of the hunt, not as ideal. So

1106
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: that's that's why I'm going to pick the oak as

1107
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 2: my absolute favorite. Schrader Asked in a bar fight, who

1108
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: is your sidekick, Dan Johnson or Tony Peterson. Well, there's

1109
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: no right answer here because whoever I pick the other

1110
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: one's gonna be pissed. But let's weigh the cost benefit

1111
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 2: analysis here with Dan. Dan's like the bull in the

1112
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: china shop, right, Dan's wild, Dan's big. Dan is boisterous

1113
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: and full of passion. So in a bar fight, those

1114
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: are helpful things to have that could be good on

1115
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: the flip side. On the flip side, you know, he he,

1116
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: he might have a little bit of reckless abandon in him,

1117
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: to put it, I guess nicely, And so you know,

1118
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: He's probably the one that would start a bar fight.

1119
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: Would be the problem here. I think Dan would be

1120
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: the type, like you're out there like he might be

1121
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: the one. And I know for sure he has started

1122
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 2: bar fights in the past, so you know, he'd be

1123
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 2: a good guy to have with you if you're on

1124
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: the receiving end of it. But he's also a risk

1125
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: in starting one. And I just do feel like he

1126
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: would get this like hysteria, like bloodlust, and he'll be

1127
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: just swinging and spinning, and there could be some collateral

1128
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: damage too with Dan, like you might get knocked over

1129
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: by him, So that's a risk. Uh So Tony, here's

1130
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: the thing with Tony Tony, uh is is like an assassin.

1131
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: So I think he would be dangerous in certain situations,

1132
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: and that he's very tactical, he's thoughtful, he's smart about

1133
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: what he's doing, and so I think, you know, Tony

1134
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: would not start a fight Tony though, you know he's

1135
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: in good shape, like he he he does his thing,

1136
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: so I think, you know, he could be dangerous in

1137
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: a certain situation. Probably Tony is that I think he's

1138
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: also a flight risk. Like I think Tony likes to

1139
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 2: talk a big game, sometimes and he's the class clown,

1140
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: but the pinch he's gonna be like, I don't really

1141
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: want to be around this, So I don't know. It's

1142
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: a really tough call, and I might just cheat here

1143
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,439
Speaker 2: and say I'd like to have both of them because

1144
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: they both bring something to the table and they both

1145
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: present some risks. Uh So if we really diversify and

1146
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: have all three of us together, there's a chance like

1147
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the mediator and or

1148
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, the thought leader on this, and then Tony

1149
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 2: is gonna be like, my, all right, we need a

1150
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: quick jab in here, and then let's get out of here.

1151
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: And then Dan is like, if you've got to release

1152
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: the pit bull because shit's really hitting the fan, all right,

1153
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: then we unleash Dan, and uh, you know, all hell

1154
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: is gonna break loose. That's that's my take on this one.

1155
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: And that's that's all I've got to say on that.

1156
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 2: Let's see Brett asks, what is my recommended best first

1157
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: like kit for winter and fall? So I'll I'll kind

1158
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: of shorten this up and give you like my if

1159
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: I could only pick like one kit for you know,

1160
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: the hunting season in most places I would buy. I'd

1161
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: start with your outer suit, like your outer layer, which

1162
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 2: I would do the Solitude jacket and bib. That's like

1163
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 2: the mid season the main mid season piece from First Light.

1164
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: That's gonna be something you can wear, you know, with

1165
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: light based layers underneath it. You could start wearing that

1166
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: in like the fifties or something like early fall, and

1167
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: you could be okay and comfortable. You know, it's wind proof,

1168
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: it's DWR treated, it's super quiet, there's lots of smartly

1169
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: designed pockets. It's got insulation in it, but not so

1170
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 2: much that you're gonna die from heat in the fifties.

1171
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: At the same time, you can wear it right on

1172
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: down to like the most cold stuff like I've worn

1173
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 2: it down to like the single digits basically, and just

1174
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: layer stuff underneath it and you can wear it so

1175
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: you can be running it from early fall right through

1176
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: the late season. It's incredibly versatile in that way because

1177
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: it's that outer shell, wind proof, good insulation, but not

1178
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: too much. It really works well as a versatile all

1179
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: around kit. If I was adding some stuff underneath it.

1180
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the Origin hoodie. That would

1181
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: be my main mid layer piece. That you could wear

1182
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 2: in the early season as well without the jacket if

1183
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: it's too warm, I'd get some wick bas layers as

1184
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 2: that next to body you know sweat management system. It's

1185
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, naturally odor resistant because it's marina wool. It's

1186
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: gonna wick away the moisture. It's gonna kind of help

1187
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: you moderate the climate inside of your outer shell and suit.

1188
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: So that would be my first set of gear i'd

1189
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: be looking at, would be those things there. If you

1190
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: want like late season stuff, if you're trying to layer

1191
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: up to wear your solitude into the later parts of

1192
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 2: the year, you could add the source jacket, which is

1193
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: like the super lightweight, packable, silent puffy jacket. That would

1194
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: be a piece you could layer underneath. You could layer

1195
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 2: in the furnace, long John's or hoodie which is a

1196
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 2: great late season layering piece. Any one of those things

1197
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: would would really set you well for for a long season.

1198
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: What calls do you bring to the stand, Crundle asks, Well,

1199
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: I always all always bring a grunt tube. If I

1200
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: can only pick one call, it's gonna be a grunt tube.

1201
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: I use the Phelps Beta Pro right now and as

1202
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: a great grunt really nice consistent, deep guttural sound. It's

1203
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: got the rubberized bellow tube, so you can move it,

1204
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 2: manipulate it with your hand to get different sounds and tones.

1205
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 2: But whatever brand you choose, I don't care. I like

1206
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: a grunt tube that has like a deeper, solid tone.

1207
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: I don't like the crappy, super cheap, flimsy plastic ones

1208
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 2: that sound like like I don't want that rattle. I

1209
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 2: want them give me that. I also want to be

1210
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 2: able to make a snort wheeze, whether you do that

1211
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: with just your mouth or with like a amplifying tube

1212
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: on the side of a grunt tube. This doesn't require

1213
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 2: you to bring anything extra. It just requires that you

1214
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: know how to make a snort wheeze. The basic sound

1215
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: is that is this very aggressive, like flip in the

1216
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: middle of middle finger kind of call to another buck.

1217
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: It's a great call to use during that, you know,

1218
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 2: anytime during the rutting period of the year. That is

1219
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: a very effective kind of challenge call that can get

1220
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 2: a mature buck to come your way. So grunt tube

1221
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: is the only thing that I always always bring, whether

1222
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: it's early season, late season rut, I always have my

1223
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 2: grun tube. When you get into the rut. I will

1224
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 2: oftentimes add rattling antlers or rattling bag if I'm in

1225
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 2: a relatively low pressure area with high mature buck density.

1226
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: So by that I mean I don't really rattle ever

1227
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 2: in southern Michigan because there's not a ton of mature bucks,

1228
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 2: but there are tons of hunters. I've never I think

1229
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 2: I can say that I'm pretty sure that I've never

1230
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 2: rattled in a buck, a mature buck, at least in Michigan.

1231
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 2: I've tried. Early on, I tried, and more often than

1232
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 2: not just scared deer. So I've stopped in the super

1233
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 2: high pressure places I hunt. But I do rattle in

1234
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: those lower pressure places Iowa, Ohio, you know, the Dakotas, Illinois,

1235
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 2: those kinds of places rattling can be effective. Texas use

1236
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: it effectively down there, so I'll tag. I'll bring that

1237
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: along in those situations and then a can call. I'll

1238
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: sometimes bring a dough bleat. Honestly, I don't use it

1239
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: a lot, but I will occasionally bring a dough bleat

1240
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: call of one form or another in that you know,

1241
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 2: sweet spot of the rut, and I have called in

1242
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: a few bucks with it. One of my first second second, buck,

1243
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 2: I think ever I killed with a can call, so

1244
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 2: that doan estrius bleat you know, can be effective in

1245
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: certain situations, but really grun tube. If if I only

1246
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: ever had a grun tube, I'd still be perfectly happy.

1247
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 2: Let's see what's next. Top five pieces of gear for

1248
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 2: getting your kids outdoor. This is a question from Brent

1249
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: so top pieces of gear for getting your kids outdoors? So,

1250
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: I mean it's obviously age dependent, but I'll just tell

1251
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: you for the ages my kids are right My kids

1252
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: are three and five right now, And the items that

1253
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: they enjoy the most and they give them the most enjoyment.

1254
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 2: The first thing that comes to my mind is a net.

1255
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean, a net is just gold for getting kids

1256
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: outside because kids love chasing stuff and trying to catch stuff,

1257
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: and that is like such an easy thing to do.

1258
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: Almost anywhere you can be in Massachusetts or Texas or

1259
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: Michigan or Montana, there's something for kids to chase and

1260
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: try to catch with a net, and it helps them

1261
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 2: engage with the natural world and have fun and feel

1262
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: like they're like actively participating in it. And it doesn't

1263
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 2: require any kind of training, right, It's like you don't

1264
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 2: need a train to shoot a ball. You don't need

1265
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 2: a train to shoot a gun. Every kid can use

1266
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: a net. So you know, my kids are the two

1267
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: little nets. They're catching frogs, they're catching minnows, they're catching grasshoppers,

1268
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: they're catching butterflies, they're catching turtles, they're catching snakes, They're

1269
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 2: chasing everything and just having a blast. So I think

1270
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 2: right there, nets like that is such a great, such

1271
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: a great option. Man. I would tell you that a

1272
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 2: little like kid bow is a great thing because again,

1273
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 2: like you can start really small those things. They can

1274
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 2: shoot like a suction cut bow in the house or outside,

1275
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Speaker 2: and then as they get older they can start shooting

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01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 2: you know, a real wheelbow of sorts. There's even like

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01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 2: tiny compound bows that kids like five six years old

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 2: can shoot comfortably that adjusts down of very low drawwights.

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Speaker 2: And that's like a pretty darn safe, pretty fun way

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Speaker 2: for a kid to feel like they're an adult, to

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01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 2: feel like they're doing something that mom or dad does.

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Speaker 2: My sons have really gotten a kick out of using

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01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 2: their bows. They bring them along our hiking trips, are

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01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: camping trips, hunting trips of course, And again I think

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01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 2: it's any time when they can feel like they're a

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01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 2: grown up and they can feel like they're doing the

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01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: same thing when they're a real participant. That's been great.

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01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: So getting you know, a young kid age bow has

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01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: been great. And our kids had little bows, like the

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01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 2: tiniest bows when they're like one year old, and then

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01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 2: at like two or three we got them like this

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01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 2: little plastic bow with suction cup arrows, and then whenever

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Speaker 2: it turned four, I think is when I bought him.

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Speaker 2: It's like a bear spark bow I believe is the

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Speaker 2: one he uses right now, which has got like a

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Speaker 2: whisker biscuit and a little simple metal site pin and

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01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: he shoots field tip arrows and that can stick in

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Speaker 2: the target. And so he's out there shooting with me.

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Speaker 2: And now I think this year or next year, I'll

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Speaker 2: probably buy one of those small compounds. There's one I

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Speaker 2: think from Diamond that I've heard good things about that

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01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: I want to look into more. So those are a

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01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: couple options. Trying to think here, what are other pieces

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: of gear for kidding your kids at door? I mean,

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 2: a simple fishing pole. That's another key thing, you know,

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01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: not worry about getting too fancied, just the simple five dollars,

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01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: ten dollars wal Mart kids. But real it's just you know,

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Speaker 2: get them out there catching blue gills or little panfish

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01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 2: of whatever type in your area, little little trout, whatever

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01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 2: it is. Man, he can't go wrong with that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: We've gotten my kids these cheap binoculars, and that's another

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01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: fun thing for them. They love, even though I don't

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01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 2: know how. I mean, I know they don't work terribly well,

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01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 2: it's another piece of gear. They feel like, Okay, this

1316
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 2: is like what dad has. He's got binoculars. I've got binoculars.

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01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 2: And then they kind of learn how to use them.

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01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: They can feel like they're a little bit more up

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01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: close to the animals. They can see stuff. That's been great.

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01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: So those are I guess some items that I think

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 2: are useful. But maybe as I'm saying this, the big

1322
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 2: thing I'm thinking about is that the gear doesn't matter

1323
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 2: that much. It's really the thing, like just taking them

1324
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 2: to these places. The place matters more than the gear.

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01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 2: So just getting them outside with you matters more than

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01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: the tools you bring with you. Because I'll tell you what,

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: I can have all the fancies toys and stuff and

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01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: hunting gear or fishing gear or whatever. And if I

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01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: just sat them down in my garage, they're gonna get

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01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 2: bored real quick. But if I take them to the creek,

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01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: if I take them to the mountain, if I take

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01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 2: them out into the woods walking around the fields with me,

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01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 2: whether or not I have some piece of gear or not,

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01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 2: they're gonna find something that's fun. There's so many things

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01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 2: out in nature that enthrall kids. You just have to

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01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: get them out there. So do that, and I think

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01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 2: you're well on your way. Oh boy, let's do one more.

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 2: And then we're gonna wrap it up. And the last

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01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:49,839
Speaker 2: question here is how can you make this from Sam?

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01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: How can we turn more hunters into hunter conservationists. It's

1341
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 2: a great question, Sam. It's something I think about a lot,

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01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 2: and I think it just comes down to a realization

1343
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 2: for each and every one of us personally that this

1344
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 2: thing we love, whether that's hunting, fishing, exploring nature, whatever

1345
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 2: it is, none of it got here by accident. We

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01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 2: didn't just get a pile of white tails in our

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01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 2: area by happenstance. The only reason why we have great

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01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: deer hunting today is because there are a whole lot

1349
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 2: of other hunters and anglers and conservations before us, that

1350
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: we're willing to stand up for it, that we're willing

1351
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 2: to work for it, that we're willing to advocate for it,

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01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: that we're willing to protect it. We will not have

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01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 2: these places in the future. We will not have these

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01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: animals in the future unless we become those people not today,

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: that are willing to stand up for that, are willing

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01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 2: to go out of our way and convenience ourselves sometimes

1357
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 2: to advocate, to work, to volunteer, to vote, to do

1358
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: whatever it takes to make sure this stuff is around

1359
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 2: in the long term. It's on us. I would contend

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01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 2: that if you are a hunter, you should also We

1361
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 2: must be hunter conservationists by default if we want to

1362
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: keep doing this stuff in the future, because it just

1363
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 2: won't be around. There's so many pressures. There's so many

1364
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: other people, other things going on in the world that

1365
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 2: are nipping away at these opportunities, that are paving over

1366
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: these places that are polluting or destroying or whatever. There's

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01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: so many things going on with wildlife in America in

1368
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: the world that's negative. If we want to have these

1369
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 2: opportunities and places and animals in the future, we have

1370
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 2: to be that positive. So that's the message that you know,

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01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 2: I need to continue to remind myself and I think

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01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 2: we each as individuals can try to live that ourselves

1373
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 2: and share that story with others. Remind our dads, our moms,

1374
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 2: our friends, our uncles at deer camp, our mind folks

1375
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: say hey, man, I love this opening I love this

1376
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: opening day deer camp thing we got going on. But

1377
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: guess what, there's this thing going on. It'd be great

1378
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 2: if all of us could show up and you know,

1379
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: sign this petition or man, just make sure you know

1380
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: about this issue, because this is going to be pretty

1381
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 2: important for the future of this piece of public plan

1382
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: that we're all hunting here today. If we can start,

1383
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, sharing that with other people, that leads to

1384
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: this larger trend of people starting to recognize what's going on,

1385
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 2: understand the issues, understand our obligations, and recognize like, hey,

1386
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 2: we have this amazing thing. We get to hunt, we

1387
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 2: get to fish, we get to have these wildlife in

1388
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 2: these places. Now, what do we need to do to

1389
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: keep them around? Because it's on us. They can't speak

1390
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 2: for themselves. The animals can't speak for themselves. Nobody else

1391
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: is running from the big cities to come protect this stuff. Right,

1392
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: there's all these other things going on in the world,

1393
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people trying to make money, trying to

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01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: do their thing. We are the ones living this, We

1395
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 2: are the ones living outside. Our lives revolve around it.

1396
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 2: We got to stand up for it. So it's on

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01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: us and that is going to be it for me today.

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01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 2: Appreciate you tuning into this podcast. Kind of a random

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01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 2: rambling Q and a episode of sorts, but I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here with me for my morning coffee break,

1401
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: for sticking with me for ten years now as we've

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01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 2: done this podcast, and here's ten more years, huh. Thanks guys,

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Speaker 2: and until next time, stay wired till hut