1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Sanna slave, if you're gonna help me make it fly? 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: It thought the magical reindeer made the sleigh fly? 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 3: And where did the reindeer get their magic? From? Christmas spirit? 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 4: Everybody knows that Ron and Andian Santa is watching. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: I had to remind my dogs that the other day. 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Now I got to remind you. 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: But see, I have special access because without me, Santa 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: doesn't fly. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: Just he told me that unless you're good, you're not 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: getting any cocal on the troop. 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 6: Can't bring me the car doctor. 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: They actually tell you when the instructions, lay a piece 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: of cardboard along the face of the radiator so you 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: don't damage or mush the fins. And I'm thinking, who 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: designed this? And it comes back to somebody that never 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: has to work on cars. They don't you never mind. 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna wear it anyway. 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 5: Okay, but if you bend all me, I have a wife, prid. 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 4: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Ananian, the Car Doctor. 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 4: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 4: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 4: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the. 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: Phone and call in the garage. Doors are open, but 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: I am here to take your call at eight five 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: five five six ninety nine hundred. 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 5: And now he. 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 4: Himself Ron Anian. 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 5: Close, he. 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 4: Running. 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: So, by the way, we're leaving right after the show today. 32 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: We've got we've got an express flight up north and 33 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: we're gonna be getting Santa Radio was up there midweek. 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: The sleigh is just about packed. It's teeming with toys 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: for all good little boys and girls. Tom still hasn't 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: made the list, but he's working on it. And I've 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: got a special we've had a call shoot this year. 38 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: I want you to know so that we're flying over 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: the bad Boys house. We can have just dropped call 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: right down to the chimney and get it over with or 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: is it chimney chimney? It will save me on heating oil, right, 42 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: I'll just fill you up. Tom's a perpetual bad boy. 43 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 1: He's getting a lot of call this year. But regardless, 44 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: we're leaving right after the show. And uh, I think 45 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: we've got our traditional night before Christmas this year, of course, 46 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: and we'll be talking about that. This is almost the 47 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: night before Christmas. Right here we are the Christmas weekend 48 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: car Doctor radio show. We're doing it on a holiday, 49 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: so we figared you guys needed to hear about cars 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: and getting your cars fixed. And if you've got any questions, 51 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: it is it festiv Us. It's festiv Us. Where's your 52 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: Festivus pole? Well, I don't have a Festivus pole, So. 53 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: I got you, I got it. 54 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 5: I got a lot of problems with you. 55 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, all right, I remember that episode too. 56 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: That's you know, that's when seinfeld really took off. You know, 57 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: they put that in the mainstream. I should point that out. 58 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: I was reading that this week that Seinfeldt inserted, you know, 59 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: the word and the whole idea of Festivus into the 60 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: consciousness of America. It shows you the depth of and 61 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: the world. It shows you the depth of where that 62 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: radio show went and what it does. So yeah, happy 63 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: festivst to everybody, just in case they're out there celebrating. 64 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this twenty sixteen, Jeep. I 65 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: just want to remind you eight five to five five 66 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zeros the phone number. I'll 67 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: do it again. Eight five five five six zero nine 68 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: nine zero zero's the phone number. We are alive this 69 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: weekend Saturday through the four pm East Coast time, So 70 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: if you're listening, that's where we are. By all means, 71 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: give us a call eight five to five five six 72 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. Had a twenty sixteen Jeep 73 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: b Rennegade in the shop this week that you know, 74 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: it's one of those repairs that dogs you. You're you're 75 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: you're chasing something, but you're not quite sure. And some 76 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: of it made me scratch my head in conversation with 77 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: the customer because I wasn't sure. It was like I 78 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: was talking to two different people. The car came in 79 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: about five months ago, and the concern at the time 80 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: was that the gas tank was hard to fill up. 81 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: It had repetitive click off. I think we even talked 82 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: about it here. I think I talked about this Jeep 83 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: Renegade here on the show that day that the diagnostic 84 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: tests that I did and I went through step by 85 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: step by step, and I could never duplicate the problem. 86 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: I could never get it to happen, and the customer 87 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: needed the vehicle. They took it back. The sun was 88 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: going off to college, I think it was, or something 89 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: along those lines. And now here we are, you know, 90 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: so many four or five months later, he's back and 91 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: we've got it back under our care again. And they 92 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: brought it in and the when I made the appointment, 93 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: it actually says, you know, recheck customer can't fill tank 94 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: and change the oil and look it over for winter 95 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: and change the tires and so forth. So I'm talking 96 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: at the counter and we're kind of going through it 97 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: because I always review every case, and I started talking 98 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: about how the tank is hard to fill, right, yeah, 99 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: And we sort of had a two three minute conversation 100 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: about that, and then the son got a funny look 101 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: on his face as if I was no, it's not that, No, 102 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: it's it said that the check engine light is on. 103 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: Oh so it has a fault code. Well, yeah, said 104 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: the father. It's not. But it's not related to fill 105 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: the gas tank. That's not a problem. Well, I said, 106 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: but it was. No, it never was. You know, sometimes 107 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: you wonder like, well, but we spent he said, yeah, 108 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: he said, I don't know why you did that. I said, well, 109 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: I did that because you know, you agreed on the 110 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: repair order that you signed. We went over and said 111 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: it was yeah, no, it's not that. And I'm telling 112 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: you how many times I repeatedly said, Hey, I went 113 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: to the gas station. I tried filling it up. Didn't 114 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: make them a difference. Turns out we're chasing a p 115 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: zero four to fifty six small evap leak. A four 116 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: point fifty six is the smallest of evaporative emissions leaks. 117 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: And to you, as a consumer, you're thinking it's the 118 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: loose gas cap syndrome, which it's not. It's a it's 119 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: a capitalist system. And or as a professional, you're thinking it's, 120 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, a ceiling issue, which it was a renegade 121 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: leaves a lot to be desired in terms of working 122 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: on it. It's it's sort of put together. Was like 123 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: the engineer swallowed all the parts, threw them up, and 124 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: then just however it came out. That's how we're going 125 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: to assemble and disassemble it, because it's not a logical, 126 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: consequential thought process. To see the top of the gas tank, 127 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: you have to take out the back seat. To get 128 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: the back seat out, you got to take torques bits 129 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: out underneath the spare tire holder. To get to that, 130 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: you got to empty the trunk. And it's just it's 131 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: just perpetual misery to a degree, And as somebody on 132 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: christ Or Techline told me this week. He said, you know, 133 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: you should notify the customer that they're probably going to 134 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: replace every part on that car by the time it 135 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: has one hundred thousand miles on it. I said, well, 136 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: there's a there's an endorsement of a brand like really, 137 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: so p. Zero four fifty six. I want to talk 138 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: about the front door and the back door to your house. 139 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: You've got a front door, you've got a back door. 140 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: You let your kids go play in the backyard. You 141 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: probably opened the back door so that you could see them, 142 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: all right, but the back door was open, right, Maybe 143 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: there was a screen there. Okay, I get it, But 144 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: technically the back door is open. Front doors closed. Front 145 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: door close keeps from safe. Back door open keeps them 146 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: safe because you can keep an eye on them, right, 147 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: little kids. A car is a vaporative emission system is 148 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: sort of the same way. All right, there's a front door. 149 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: We call it a perge valve, and there's a back door. 150 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: We also call that the vent valve. In Chrysler world 151 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: it's still a purge valve in the front, but in 152 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: Chrysler Jeep language it's an ESOM, which is an abbreviation 153 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: and an acronym for their version of an evaporative service 154 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: control module blah blah blah blah blah. But in essence, 155 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: it's a vent valve, all right. It opens and closes, 156 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: and it allows the ability for the tank to fill up. 157 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: It opens, the vent's open when it's sitting there engine off, 158 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: or they open the vent or close the vent, depending 159 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: upon what phase of evaperative monitoring they're doing. But it's 160 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: the idea that it's like a back door right open, closed. 161 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: If you're sitting there at idle all right, at a 162 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: traffic light, for example, and you're not running any sort 163 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: of monitor, you're not running any sort of oppertive emission 164 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 1: system test. The purge valve is closed, the vent valve 165 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: is open. They're allowing fumes to come up out of 166 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: the tank, be filtered through the charcoal canister and then 167 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: vent it out into the atmosphere. And they're also allowing 168 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: fresh air to be drawn in at the moment that 169 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: the purge valve does open, so they can pull fresh 170 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: air through the vent through the charcoal canister, scavenge any fumes, 171 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: and draw it up into the engine to burn at 172 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: the correct moment. Front door back door PI zero four 173 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: fifty six is telling us that somewhere in that system, 174 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: whether it's whether it's one of the front doors or 175 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: back doors, or the lines or the tank, but there 176 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: is a leak. How do they know that, Well, they'll 177 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: close the vent valve, they'll close the back door, they'll 178 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: open the purge, they'll open the front door, and they'll 179 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: allow engine vacuum to pull the system into a vacuum state. 180 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: And they measure how far and how deep they go 181 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: by looking at something called an FTP fuel tank pressure sensor. 182 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: And when they pull it down into a deep enough 183 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: state of vacuum, and it's not a whole lot, it's 184 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: measured in inches of water. Six inches of water is 185 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: one inch of vacuum. You know, they're going to pull 186 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: it into some sort of a vacuum state. Then then 187 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: they're going to close the purge and look to see 188 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: does the FTP hold steady vacuum? Does it hold it 189 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: in a steady vacuum state? This car failed. This car 190 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: failed instet of P zero four fifty six because the 191 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: rate of decline of the vacuum state was such that 192 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: it said, hey, that's too much. You can't have any 193 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: But this failed at a level that set a four 194 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: to fifty six, which is a smaller leak versus one 195 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: that might be a large leak. They have a large 196 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: leak fault in a small leak fault. So we've got 197 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: to go through and diagnose it. How are we going 198 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: to do it? Well, the easiest way to me was 199 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: to hook up a smoke machine. We've got a speed 200 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: smoke from the folks over at Redline Detection in the 201 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: shop that we use Redline Deetection dot Com. We hooked 202 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: up our speed smoke. We went right into the purge valve. 203 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: We measured from the purge valve inlet, so we measured 204 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: going back all the way through the system, the tank, 205 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: the all the plastic lines, all the fittings, the charcoal canister. 206 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: We put a stopper in the back of the vent 207 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: valve which is the esum at the charcoal canister and 208 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: smoked it and all the time. The speed smoke, which 209 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: has a pressure gauge on it has both pressure and vacuum. 210 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: We're looking going into a pressure state. We're looking for 211 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: loss of pressure once we shut it off, or we're 212 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: looking for signs of smoke. We're also looking for flow. 213 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: They give us a flow valve or a flow ball 214 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: on the machine, and we're watching it get smaller and 215 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: smaller and smaller in terms of flow, and finally the 216 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: ball stops. The ball has reached maximum. It now tells 217 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: us there's no loss in the system and it holds 218 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: itself in a pressure state. Hey, guess what I just proved. 219 00:10:54,360 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: I I just proved that the system has integrity. The 220 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: system does not leak all right, So at that point 221 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: I know I'm dealing with a likely mechanical fault. I 222 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: had taken the back seat out. I looked at the 223 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: fuel pump. Inside the fuel pump, there's a check valve. 224 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: The checkvals go bed, it'll start putting fuel out through 225 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: the vapor side and causing all sorts of issues. But 226 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything there either. We took the vent 227 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: levalve lines off at the fuel pump. 228 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: Ran it. 229 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: Nothing came out, so we went to smoking. The point 230 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: becomes in the course of about a half hours worth 231 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: of testing. By the time you take things apart, you 232 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: gotta take the wheel well out in the back on 233 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: the right side. We were able to prove that the 234 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: system had integrity. I'm dealing with a mechanical component fault 235 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: in all likelihood. So one test I got it down 236 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: to either a bad vent or a bad purge in 237 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: all likelihood. I don't want to take anything apart. It's 238 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: all plastic and brittle, and it's seven years old, and 239 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: it's in ugly places. Estoms have a very high, notoriously 240 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: high failure rate. There are one hundred and some odd dollars. 241 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: Let's order one of those, and let's get a purge 242 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: about the same money. They're second in line for failure, 243 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: and once I get them out of the car, I 244 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: can test them further, pulled the purge out, pulled them out. 245 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: The estom's a complicated piece to test, and it's not 246 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: easily done on a bench, and it's probably not worth 247 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: doing on a bench it has such a failure rate. 248 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: But the purge valve, the purge valve I was able 249 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: to prove bad by once I got it apart, I 250 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: put smoke through from the other side and it leaked. 251 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: It wouldn't hold. And that's why it's important to understand 252 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: front door, back door. You know, every time I explain this, 253 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: people say, well, when should a perge valve be open? Keon, 254 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: engine off? Or keon engine running at idle if it's 255 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: if you disconnect a purge valve, the purge valve is off, 256 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: it's closed, it's it should be a solid wall of 257 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: nothing can pass through it. That front door to your house, right, 258 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: keeps your card, it's safe your kit Nobody can walk 259 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: in through the front door, through the through the living room, 260 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: through the kitchen and get to your kid in the backyard. 261 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: Same thing right, same idea. That purge valve is the 262 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: front door like your house. It keeps the house safe. 263 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: It's always closed. So when you're diagnosing EVAP, all you've 264 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: got to know is front door, back door, back doors open, 265 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: front doors closed, normally open, normally closed. Two states, prove 266 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: the per bed, prove the purge valve bed, and car's done. 267 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: Car's gone. Random monitor ran a large leak test. We 268 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: don't have the ability to run a small league test 269 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: by scan tool, but you know some simple diagnostic steps. 270 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: And I have to say that using a tool like 271 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: the speed Smoke sure makes it easier because they not 272 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: only give us a pressure and a choice of a 273 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: vacuum reading, they give us a flow meter on there 274 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: as well. So definitely, definitely the tool of the age 275 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: worth looking at Redlinedetection dot Com. I'm running any in 276 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: the car. Doctor. I'll be back with more right after this. 277 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: Don't go away time ride it on the wall so 278 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: you don't forget to call for car device done right? 279 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 280 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: Now back to Rod. 281 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Hey, let's cruise on over it and talk to Edin 282 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: Virginia with a forty packard? Ed, how are you today? 283 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 5: Ed? 284 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: And ED? Going once? ED going twice? Is Ed there? 285 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 5: Ed? 286 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yes, yes, sir? How are you Ed? 287 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 5: I'm doing okay, all right? 288 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: Full disclosure? Ed, and I talked to midweek. Ed's got 289 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: a forty packard. He's putting a modern day Lincoln drive 290 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: line in for suspension and breaks, and he's got a 291 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: heating problem in the rear. Where does it stand with this? 292 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: Said? 293 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: Describe the problem for everybody, So bring him up to date. 294 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 5: Okay, what's happening when I drive the car? You know, 295 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 5: even the short as six miles, But what happened is 296 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 5: the back breaks who get really hot and the front 297 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 5: face would stay normal. I went to a bunch of 298 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 5: stuff to change something. I ended up reversing the master 299 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 5: cylinder because I did put that on backwards. I went 300 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 5: the old way instead of the new way. But now 301 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 5: we've we've changed some things again, and right now I've 302 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 5: got the front brakes working correctly. The back brakes don't 303 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 5: hold anymore. They don't, they don't they don't put they 304 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 5: don't put tension on anymore. But because we've changed the 305 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 5: rod in the change the length of the rod between 306 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 5: the master cylinder and the brake booster, and that helped it. 307 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 5: But now I have no brake pedal and for the 308 00:15:59,200 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 5: back breaks. 309 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: So so let's let's back up a second. So when 310 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: we talked midweek, your your concern was the conversation if 311 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: I remember correct me if I'm wrong, but you had 312 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: used the thermal imager. You were seeing five hundred degrees 313 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: at the rear brakes, but you had not thermal image 314 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: the front. Did you ever eventually measure the temp on 315 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: the front brakes and what was it? 316 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 5: Yes? And they were running about one hundred and forty degrees? 317 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So then the concern became, right, we talked about 318 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: the proportioning valve. This had a proportioning valve in it, 319 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, yes, did you take that out 320 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: or bypass that we were just playing around with the 321 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: theory of it. Okay, got it all right, you know, 322 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: because the theory is, you know, the belief is on 323 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: a four wheel disc brake car, we don't need a 324 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: proportioning valve, but sometimes you find that you do, and 325 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: it's a matter of trial and error. But it shouldn't 326 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: be to the point that one's working harder than the other. 327 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: So what was your next step after to that? You 328 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: reverse the lines at the master? 329 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, well we had, Yeah, we reversed the lines that 330 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 5: the master got that corrected. That was really we really 331 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 5: did that before. And then what we did was we 332 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 5: took the rotors off, sent the rotors out, and got 333 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 5: them returned to check them. That helped it a little bit. 334 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 5: Then when we went didn't We had adjusted the rod 335 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 5: between the master cylinder and the power brake booster to 336 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 5: take some of the pressure off of it. And because 337 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 5: now what it seems like is and I don't totally 338 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 5: understand that, but what it seems like is it's getting 339 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 5: too much vacuum and it's it's starting to pull the brakes. 340 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you where that'd sit tight. Let me 341 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: we'll ever take this pause. When we come back, we'll 342 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: talk about it, because I think you've got more than 343 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: what you see. I hear going on. I'm running aiding 344 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: in the car. Doctor, We're gonna pull over and take 345 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: a pause for the cause. I'll be back right after this. 346 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: Don't go away, that's include us. No in my arrusty 347 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: chevrole down the road, I go sliding all the way. 348 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: I need nupiston. 349 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: Welcme back running the car Doctor here at eight five 350 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine nine zero zero. We're talking 351 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: with that in Virginia. Is forty Packard trying to convert 352 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: a modern day breaking suspension system to it? 353 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: Ed? 354 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Who's master cylinder? Are you running on this car? 355 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 5: What I thing? Was everything out of the two thousand 356 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 5: trade Town car? 357 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: Okay? On the two thousand and three Lincoln, did the 358 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: I believe the rear line of the Master ran the 359 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: front brakes or was it the other way around? What 360 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: was factory. 361 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 5: A factory? And everything else? Was the front front? Did 362 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 5: the front? 363 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: Okay? I would double check that because my memory is 364 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: the front the front is from the back. So just 365 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: just look at that. That was pretty much the standard setup. 366 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: I would just verify that because changing it now we 367 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: have to think about how the combination valve pressure, if 368 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 1: there's a proportioning valve here, how the pressures are going 369 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: to be different there. But regardless, just just be sure 370 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: what you're doing because the car doesn't know, the system 371 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 1: doesn't know what car it's on. All right. How it 372 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: works will depend upon weight and bias and distribution of 373 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: suspension components and so forth. But just be sure that 374 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: you've got that line routed correctly. That being said, going 375 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: back to your second comment, when we pulled away for 376 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: the brake you were talking about you changed push rod length, 377 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: the difference between the pedal and the booster correct. 378 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 5: Right, adjusted that all right? 379 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: That should be set so that there's just a NAT's 380 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: eyelash of play between the push rod and the booster. 381 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: It's not it's not that specific. You should not be 382 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: into the booster. It should not be a solid feel. 383 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: You should be able to tap the brake pedal and 384 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: have it and have and have some play there. It 385 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: shouldn't be into the booster at that point, all right. 386 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: And it's just that simple. And again, it doesn't know 387 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: what car it's on. How do you have the how 388 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: do you have that push rod set now. 389 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 5: Tight, I bet right there, you know, right now it's 390 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 5: got a little bit, it's got a little bit of play. 391 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: In all right, a little bit, you know, I want 392 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: I want a thirty second of an inch of play 393 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: just to touch, all right, and I'll call that good. 394 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: Let's take that out of the equation. Now, you were 395 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: saying that you get a sense that the pedal is 396 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: going down as you drive. 397 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 5: It would it would it? That's what it seems that 398 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 5: it was doing that. It's not that the pedal was 399 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 5: going that it more pressure was being put on the 400 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 5: brakes as it was as the car was being driven, as. 401 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: If the as if the pedal was applying by itself, 402 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: or or like as. 403 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 5: If there's like more vacuum and everything else on it. 404 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: It sounds like you have a bad booster. 405 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, but everything's new. But that I know that doesn't 406 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 5: mean anything. 407 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna make me say it 408 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: never ever worked, right. If you disconnect, If you disconnect 409 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: the booster and and try to drive the car, it's 410 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a hard break. Pedal might be too hard. 411 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: You can't drive it, But do the brakes. Does it 412 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: have a better pedal do the brakes work normally. I'm 413 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: wondering if this is a case that the booster itself 414 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: is at fault and it's applying the akes by themselves, 415 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: and that's what caused the original hot problem. 416 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 5: Okay, right? 417 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: Why not? 418 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 5: Yeah? Okay, that's something to look at them. 419 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: Right? Where'd the booster come from the other car? 420 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 5: Or you know, I mean I bought it from you know, 421 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 5: one of the auto parts places, right? 422 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: And what brand was I? 423 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I put everything. I put everything brand new in it. 424 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: Right. 425 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 5: In other words, look, I bought the I bought the car, 426 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 5: took all the components off of it, and then and 427 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 5: then replaced them with new Right, Remember what I put 428 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 5: the brake pedals. I put the brake pedal assembly into 429 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 5: the car, and then the booster and the master cylinder 430 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 5: put new ones on. 431 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So don't don't make this harder run yourself than 432 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: it has to be. You put that system together just 433 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: the way it was on that other car. You make 434 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: sure all the lines are out of the same all right, 435 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: step by step, piece by piece. That system doesn't know 436 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: whether it's on a forty Packard, an three Lincoln, a 437 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: fifty five Chevy, or anything in between. It just knows 438 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: as attached to something, all right, whether it works or not, 439 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: it is going to be predicated on the size of 440 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: the brake pad, the size of the road, or the 441 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: weight of the vehicle and so on. So you put 442 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: that on exactly as it was designed by Ford. They 443 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: put a lot of engineering on it. Then we can 444 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: talk about, all right, we've got a problem where maybe 445 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: the back brakes are applying or applying early or all 446 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: the time. Maybe we've got a bad booster, we've got 447 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: a bad master. Anything is possible, all right. The problem 448 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: is you're trying to solve two or three issues at once. 449 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: You're trying to transplant the system onto a different vehicle, 450 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: and you're trying to troubleshoot a problem in that system. 451 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: And the question is did you put that problem in 452 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: the system by replacing a used part which to me 453 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: is field tested right with a new one versus or 454 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: do you have an assembly or an installation error? Does 455 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: that make sense? 456 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean totally. Uh. Now, the only question I have, 457 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 5: like somebody said to me that I should put a 458 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 5: vacuum restrict on the booster. 459 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: Why how much? 460 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 5: I don't know how much? How much? 461 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: How much vacuum do you have there now? 462 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 5: No, you know, I doubt I can't tell you, right, 463 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 5: you know I didn't. That hasn't been checked yet. 464 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: Do you ever notice everybody's always got these ideas on 465 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: what to do, but nobody ever test. 466 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. Right, if you got three problems you've got, you 467 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 5: ask seventeen people and you get thirty two different answers. 468 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: Right, So let's go back step one. How are brakes 469 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: designed to work? You know what what was the what 470 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: was manifold vacuum requirement to make that break booster work 471 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: on the three Lincoln? Because I guarantee you whatever it 472 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: was on the Lincoln, it's going to be the same 473 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: thing on the packer. It doesn't know it's there, right right, 474 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: it's and my educated guess is somewhere between fifteen and 475 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: eighteen inches of manifold vacuum and you're going to be 476 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: just fine. You know. That's and that's what it's looking for. 477 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: And that's what I would expect to say. You know, 478 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: I wouldn't put a vacuum restricter on there. I'm not 479 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: sure what that would look like. Anyway, me might want 480 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: to put one of the little filters of the backfire valves, 481 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: those little cylindrical check valves that were in the systems. 482 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: That's a whole nother conversation. But you know, let's just 483 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: get the system to work. If you go to bleed 484 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: this system, right, stuff some rags under the master so 485 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't make a mess on the car, because I'm 486 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: sure it's painted pretty and so forth. But if you 487 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: go to bleed this system and crack open the lines 488 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: at the master, which one pushes fluid out first? The 489 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: back of the front? My guess is the back? 490 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I thought that When everybody tells me 491 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 5: it's the front. 492 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: Well, everybody could be wrong. I could be wrong too, 493 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: But until I test it, I don't know, but I 494 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: would start it. I would start there. How is the 495 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: system hooked up on a stock three Lincoln? However it was, 496 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: That's how I'm going to do it. And you know 497 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: where does fluid come? I get fluid out of the 498 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: back first, and logically, I might that might help determine 499 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: what I want to do? Do I even get fluid 500 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: out of this? Is the master? Air bound? Why did 501 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: I lose the pedal? Right? I got a hundred questions here, 502 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: don't I don't like to do it. But if I 503 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: clamp off the rubber break hoses, all right, and they 504 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: do make they have in the last ten twelve years. Yeah, 505 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: they make that crimp tool that's rounded, so it's not 506 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: a pair of ice scripts. It's designed specifically to plug 507 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: rubber hoses. You know, at to crimp rubber hoses one, 508 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: you'd need three or four because you want to, you know, 509 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: go crimp off all four wheels. Go crimp off all 510 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: four wheels. Bleed the system. You should get a rock 511 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: hard pedal, right, right, and then then then uncrimp each 512 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: hose one at a time. Bleed that caliber, bleed that 513 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: corner house the pedal, good pedal. Okay, go to the 514 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: next one, good pedal. Okay, go to the next one. 515 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: Bad pedal. Right, what's different about that one that makes 516 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: it a bad pedal? Diagnose that that's how you diagnose. 517 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: Not you know, listen, this isn't diagnostics. Isn't well, you know, 518 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: let's see, it's it's Tuesday and the moon's gonna come 519 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: up about seven oh five. The last time it did that, 520 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: I put red parts on a blue car. That's what 521 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: we should do to this one. That's not diagnostics. That's voodoo. 522 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: All right, and everybody does this voodoo that they do 523 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: so well that confuses everything, you know. 524 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 5: So all right, yeah, this one, this one's been driving 525 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 5: us crazy. 526 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: Yep, it's just the car. It's just the car man, 527 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: trust me, not hard, just just a logical approach, all right, kiddo, 528 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: I gotta run up against the clock. You need me, 529 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: you know where to find me. 530 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 2: Yet. 531 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate You're very welcome, sir. We'll talk again. You're 532 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: very well welcome. Merry Christmas eight five five five six 533 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. The car Doctor's coming back 534 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: right up to. 535 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 7: This rocking around Christmas Street at Christmas, just. 536 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: Rocking around Ron and Ayan. Here we go. Let's car 537 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: doctor it up. Let's go to Travis in Illinois. Fifteen 538 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: f two to fifty Travis. Welcome to the car Doctor, sir. 539 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: How can I help? 540 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 2: Hey? How you doing today? 541 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: Good sir? What's going on? 542 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 3: So? 543 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: Like you said, I've got a twenty fifteen to four 544 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: f two to fifty Platinum. It's lifted, it has a 545 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: BDS eight inch lift on it. Okay, I'm having an 546 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: issue with the traction control. So I come up. So 547 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: scenario is I come up to a four way two 548 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: lane intersection. I make a left turn. As I come 549 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: out of the turn and I start to straighten the wheelback, 550 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: the traction control will very momentarily activate and like pull 551 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: me to the right. There's no light that comes on. 552 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: I got a mechanic friend that hooked it up to 553 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: his snap on computer system. There's no codes, there's no errors, 554 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: there's nothing showing in the computer system. I did a 555 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: little research on my own, you know, the possibility as 556 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: a speed sensor in the front. So that was a 557 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: pretty cheap trial to see if it worked. I changed 558 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: it out, it was fine for about three or four days, 559 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: came right back. It seems to happen only in tighter turns, 560 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: you know, if it's a longer, sleeping turn, it doesn't 561 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: necessarily happen. I've read that it could be wheel bearings 562 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: going bad. I've tested the wheel bearings. You know, you 563 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 2: jacket up to try to move the wheel certain ways, 564 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: you know, up and down. 565 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 5: Side side. 566 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: It doesn't hundred percent, but. 567 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't do it on left turns. Travis only rights. 568 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: Well, it's only on left turns, but it's not the 569 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: left turn itself. It's when you bring it back to 570 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: the right. 571 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: It's the emotion. 572 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: It won't do it on the right turn. 573 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: Okay. So when you did the lift, all right. 574 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: I didn't do it, all right? 575 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: Did you buy the truck that way? You had somebody 576 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: else do it? 577 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: I did, and from what I understand, it was professionally 578 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: done down in Texas where the truck was bought, and 579 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: they had some had a shot down there put it in. 580 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: I've had the truck for six years and it's never 581 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: had any issues with it. 582 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: So it just started doing it, yeah, like all right. 583 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 2: A month or two ago, and I've just been trying 584 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: to research it and figure it out. 585 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: Two things. There should be a your sensor in this truck. Okay, 586 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: all right, you know y'all like like in a boat. Right, 587 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: make sure you know, make sure see if you see 588 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: if your friends snap on scanner, which it should be 589 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: able to, can do a UR sensor calibration. It's pretty simple, 590 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: all right, Okay. I've I've seen some of these lifted 591 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: vehicles lose calibration and it will do all kinds of 592 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: funky things. That's number one. Number two, all right. He 593 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: should be able to get into the ABS controller and 594 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: bring up the wheel speed sensors all right and graph them. 595 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: Only graph the four sensors or just grasp the two fronts. 596 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: We really should be using a lab scope to do 597 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: this because it's going to be faster and more accurate. 598 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: But just to get an idea, let's just bring up 599 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: let's just bring up the four wheel speed sensors and 600 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: watch them. Does anybody drop out while we're driving? Does 601 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: anybody showing you know? Does anybody show in consistency when 602 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: we come back from that left turn? Does the right 603 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: one hiccup? All right? Does it have a momentary you know, 604 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: brain glitch where it goes good and it's just it 605 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: confuses the system. Do that this week, call me back 606 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: next week. Let me know what happens, all right. I 607 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: appreciate your help, No problem, kittle. You keep me posting 608 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: and we'll fix it. Eight five five five to six 609 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. Hey, coming up next, we're 610 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: going in the shop, brought to you by AutoZone. I'm 611 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: ronning any in the car doctor. We're back right after this. 612 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: Choris Mons love you, welcome back. I'm not an any 613 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: of the car doctor. We're in the shop right now. 614 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: Courtesy of AutoZone. Talking about a twenty fifteen Lexus and 615 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: two thousand that came in the shop this week, and 616 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: they're sort of the sister cousin to the RX three 617 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: fifty cars. They're built on the same platform. They have 618 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: a lot of similar parts but some dissimilar stuff, and 619 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: they're pretty basic, same thing to work on. There's there's 620 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: no real challenge there. It's just it's a Lexus or so. 621 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: We thought. 622 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: We had to do rear breaks on this twenty fifteen 623 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: Lexus and it needed calibers. You know, there's a problem 624 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: in the industry right now, in case you're not aware 625 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: of it, of replacement brake calipers. There seem the choices 626 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: seem to be fitting out every day, and sure enough, 627 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: this twenty fifteen Lexus and two hundred kneaded rear calibers. 628 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: The dust boot on the left side caliber the piston 629 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: was blown wide open and the dust boot was gone 630 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: and it had rusted. It was stuck. That's why the 631 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: brakes on the left side were worn down to a 632 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: millimeter and the brakes on the right side were about four. 633 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,479 Speaker 1: It had a bad caliber. Two choices. We're either going 634 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: to Lexus all right to see what they've got, or 635 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: we're going to find a reasonable alternative. Well, AutoZone had it, 636 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: all right. AutoZone was the only manufacturer. All right, you 637 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: can check me on this, just go to any website. 638 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: I could not find any manufacturer other than AutoZone and 639 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: other ones we deal with on a regular basis any 640 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: rebuilders that had calipers with brackets. To have calibers was 641 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: one thing, but to have calibers with the brackets. If 642 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: you buy the calipers new from Lexus, you have to 643 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: buy the brackets separately, which doubled the price of the 644 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: of the part itself. It went from about two hundred 645 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: dollars to four hundred dollars, and it didn't make any 646 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: sense to me. Now, some of this is based on 647 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: the problem, and I think we've all run into this, 648 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: the professionals out there I'm speaking to with regard to 649 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: the electronic parking breaks, it's the ones with the electronic 650 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: parking brake actuators, which a lot of vehicles are. Today 651 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: there's getting fewer and fewer mechanical parking break operations. But 652 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: this was an electrical parking break actuator caliber vehicle. Autozon 653 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: was the only one that had it. With the brackets, 654 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: we're able to get them courtesy the door. Last line, 655 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: all right, do rides to our rescue again and get 656 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: the car out the door in a timely manner Christmas week, 657 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: so we appreciate that and just make everybody aware. You 658 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: can find more at autozonepro dot com. I'm ronnin Andy 659 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: in the Car Doctor, reminding you once again until the 660 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you 661 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 3: Ships,