1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is straight fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: What is up fire for Bam, It's me Jason McIntyre, 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 2: Straight bowyer for Tuesday. No, it's Wednesday, January the seventh. Listen, folks, 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: I'm a little rattled. I'm shook. I am totally all 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: messed up. John Harbaugh, the long time Baltimore Ravens coach, 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: spent nearly two decades in Annapolis. He's been fired. We 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: are officially in the chaos stage of the head coaching carousel. 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: I know some people were predicting it. Oh yeah, Harball 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: could get run. Listen, if John Harbaugh's rookie kicker doesn't 10 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: shank a forty four yard field goal at the end 11 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: of regulation on Sunday night, the Ravens are in the playoffs, 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: and we ain't talking about John Harbaugh being on the 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: unemployment line. That being said, we're not going to talk 14 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: about Harbaugh in the unemployment line for long because his 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: resume dwarfs any other resume that is out there. You 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: probably will hear from some people. Listen, man, I don't 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: know about Harbaugh. Are we sure he's the top candidate? Folks? 18 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: When you're applying to a job, they look at all 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: the resumes. Okay, John Harball by a mile has a 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: better resume than any other coaching candidate. It's not even close. 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: Kevin Stevenski has two Coach of the Years, Mike McCarthy 22 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: has a Super Bowl. Do you understand what John Harbaugh 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: has done? Guys? And I saw this amazing, amazing tweet 24 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: from some guy who said John Harbaugh's last four seasons 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: ended this way and it was the shank from the kicker. 26 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: I think his name is Lup Tyler Loup. Okay, there 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: was Zaveflowers against the Chiefs in an unbelievable, unbelievable fumble 28 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: at the goal line. There was that was two years ago. 29 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: There was Mark Andrews dropping an automatic catch in the 30 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: end zone against the Bills in a memorable playoff game. 31 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: And then there was a tush push failed against the Bengals, 32 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: I believe, with their backup quarterback an unlucky run. Now 33 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: you could say all you want, oh, well, Harpball's not 34 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 2: that good of a coach. Okay, fine, I mean if 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: you could say that, but just because you're saying it 36 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: doesn't make it true. Like you could say whatever you want. 37 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: Maybe you don't like him, maybe Oh, well, he's sixty three. 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: He's a special teams guy. Folks, you don't stay around 39 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: that long if you're not a good coach. Knowing what 40 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: he's doing, I mean, playoffs success is important. Thirteen and 41 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: eleven record in the playoffs. I know, he hasn't won 42 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: a super Bowl since twenty twelve. All these people yell, oh, 43 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: what about John Gruden. He hasn't won a playoff game 44 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: in longer than that. I mean, Harpball was in the 45 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: AFC Championship in twenty twenty three, he was in the 46 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: divisional game in twenty four, twenty and nineteen, he was. 47 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: He won the Super Bowl in twelve. In eleven, he 48 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: lost in the AFC title game. Like, the guy has 49 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: had a lot of success. Let's remember I love how 50 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: people do well. He had Lamar Jackson. Guys, who was 51 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. Oh he was a guy that was gonna 52 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 2: fall out of the first round, and the raven said, 53 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: let's trade back into the first round and grab him. 54 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: We've got a statue in the pocket in Joe Flacco 55 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 2: and Lamar is the antithesis of Joe Flacco. But let's 56 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: do it anyway. And it worked amazingly. That's the kind 57 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: of stuff that makes a head coach amazing. Now you 58 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: could say, well, it was the OC, maybe it was 59 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: the JOC. You could say it was the GM, maybe 60 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: it was the GM. But John Harbaugh sure his shit 61 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: played a huge factor in that. Are you kidding me? 62 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: That's why these guys, Well, Belichick had Brady for so long. 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: Who was Brady? Everybody passed on him in the draft? 64 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: Everyone he was a sixth rounder. He only got on 65 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: the field because mo Lewis Drew Brees and sorry not 66 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: Drew Brees, Drew Bledsoe into next year. That's the only 67 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: reason he got on the field. I mean, guys, we're 68 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: trying to rewrite history here and it's not looking good. 69 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: Bottom line, is John Harbaugh one with a true pocket 70 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: quarterback in Flacco. He won with an amazing talented dual 71 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: threat quarterback in Lamar Jackson, and I'm pretty sure he's 72 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 2: gonna win the next place he goes, unless that's Cleveland 73 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 2: of the Jets, then it's a toss up. But in 74 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: all seriousness, I think, without a doubt, the New York 75 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: Giants are the leader for this. It makes way too 76 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: much sense regionally. It's a blue blood program that's gonna 77 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: do whatever he wants. They have Joe Shane as GM. 78 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: If Harbaugh says I want to bring in my own guy, 79 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure Joe Shane will get dusted in a heartbeat. 80 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: There's no arguing that John Harbaugh is the best coach 81 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: on the mark. There isn't. There really is no case 82 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: for Oh, what about Brian Floraes, what about Jesse Minter. 83 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: They might be fine coaches, but right now they've never 84 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: been a head coach before. Never. I mean, we didn't 85 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: know Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen would be this good. 86 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: We thought, okay, Ben Johnson, great offensive coordinator. Nobody had 87 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: them winning the division and being this good. Nobody, guys, 88 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: it's just nobody. And this idea that John Harball, well, 89 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: I don't know how I had ended in Baltimore. Once 90 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: you pay the quarterback, you're kind of shafted. And it's 91 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: funny because you remember that big story right around Christmas 92 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: from I believe his name is Preston, Mike Preston in 93 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: one of those Baltimore media outlets talking about how the 94 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: situation with Lamar was not great. Harball kind of defended 95 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: in there was work, work, habits, sleeping in meetings. Lamar 96 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: denied the sleeping. I don't know. It was just not 97 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: one of these unified fronts where it was like, hey, 98 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: we're on the same page. You guys are way wrong, 99 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: We're to you know. It just didn't feel like that 100 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: at all. And now Harball's gone and we'll see what 101 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: happened with Lamar. I guess they're gonna pay Lamar. I 102 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: don't know. He wants a new deal. You want to 103 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: pay him. I mean, his cap hit is massive. He 104 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: definitely lost a step this season. Maybe it was the 105 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: injuries and we'll get it back. But I don't know, Guys, 106 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: this feels it was an amazing run. Tomlin Harball will 107 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: live forever as one of the great rivalries. I'm just 108 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: a little surprised, honestly, Like I really did not think 109 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: he would get run. And now a new era begins 110 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: in Baltimore. So it's funny after this news hit, Rob 111 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: g and I had actually recorded something talking about other 112 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: movement around the league, Black Friday, little NBA action, and 113 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: we've got that for you now. So we will pivot 114 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: from the just amazing Harbaugh news to Cliff Kingsbury. 115 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 116 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 117 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 118 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: listen live. 119 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: I'm sitting there on the side of the herd Tuesday, 120 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, the news comes across Cliff 121 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: Kingsbury and Dan Quinn have parted ways. Kingsbury will not 122 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: remain with Washington, he will move on. And I was 123 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: just like, what so? A year ago? At this time, 124 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: Kingsbury was a genius. Jaden Daniels had one of the 125 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: great rookie seasons in NFL history, and they end up 126 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: going to the NSC Championship Game. So year two, a 127 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: lot of people love Washington. I was a little lukewarm obviously. 128 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: The defense old as hell, and then Jaden gets hurt 129 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: early and often, and they tumble and are terrible. Jayden 130 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: Daniels is in year two and Kingsbury's leaving. What so 131 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: Aden will go INTI He'll have gone amazing rookie year, 132 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: historically great stuff. Injury plagued, and then year three with 133 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: a new offensive coordinator so new schemes knew everything. I 134 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: this deserves a major deep dive. I'm hoping that some 135 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: reporter in Washington could break it wide open. I know 136 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: Kingsbury has a check of pass. People don't like him. 137 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: Oh he's not an alpha, he can't be hard on players. 138 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: Come on, Kingsbury, what did he win in Arizona? Well, 139 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. He had. Kyler Murray had the best 140 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: season of his career and got to the playoffs. They 141 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: didn't win, but they eclipsed their win total. Got to 142 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: the playoffs, lost to the Rams, who I think went 143 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: on to win the Super Bowl. I'm not one hundred percent sure. Maybe, 144 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: but bottom line is they lost to a better team 145 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: than Rams on the road, and Kingsbury leaves in, Oh, 146 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 2: how's how's Kyler done? By the way? Oh awful? And 147 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: they want to move off am Interesting. Yeah, so Cliff 148 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: bought the best out of a young quarterback in Kyle Libray. 149 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: So then Cliff goes to Jayden Daniels and, like I said, 150 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: a historic rookie year. So he knows how to work 151 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: with young quarterbacks. You're telling me he's not gonna get 152 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: a plumb head coaching job. I don't know. The New 153 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: York Giants have Jackson Dark who is a young quarterback. 154 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: The Tennessee Titans have cam Ward who is a young quarterback, 155 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: and frankly, the Raiders. Rob G's Raiders gonna be picking first. 156 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: They're gonna be taking Mendozo or Dante Moore. You don't 157 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: think they could use Cliff Kingsbury. So I'm I'm just 158 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: stunned by this move off Listen. Obviously, Kingsbury is gonna 159 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: be a little bit behind Kevin Stefanski in some of 160 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 2: these interviews because I think Stefanski's accomplished more. But I'm 161 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: way above market on Cliff Kingsbury. And yes, Rob, I've 162 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: seen all the stats about how Kingsbury in the second 163 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: half of season's teams catch up with his offense and 164 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: they slow down. Didn't happen to Daniels, but whatever. And 165 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: I know that it didn't really work out for him 166 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: in college. He had some okay runs, but never was 167 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: able to really win much. And you know, he's one 168 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: of these McVeigh types who's a handsome guy, he's young, 169 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: he's energetic, he's creative offense. But the big difference is 170 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: McVeigh can command a locker room. Kingsbury so far has not. 171 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: So Rob, I'll posit this team for all the naysayers 172 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: on Kingsbury, Ye had no thanks. I'm gonna look to 173 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: the positive and say, well, wait a minute, what if 174 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 2: he took that job in Washington because A he got 175 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: to work with a superstar young quarterback and B he 176 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: got to work under a hard ass named dan Quinn 177 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: who would show him maybe how to crack hard and 178 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: bust heads when you need to. And what if he's like, 179 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: I picked it up. There's some good head coaching openings. 180 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: I this whole hearting of ways. Josina Anderson had a 181 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: report where she was saying that essentially there was some 182 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: disagreements on the offense. That that's interesting. What does dan 183 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 2: Quinn know about offense? He's a defensive guy his whole life, 184 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: and so if you're disagreeing on what the offen should 185 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: look like, I mean, yeah, Cliff's gonna move on. But 186 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: I wonder if that's cover for well, you know, I 187 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: think there's something in cam Ward and that division. I 188 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: like what I see from Jackson Dart, who's very mobile. 189 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: We know Cliff likes mobile quarterbacks. Who can you know 190 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: the RPOs on the move? I mean, cam Ward is 191 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: that Jackson Dart is that Mendoza is not as much, 192 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: but he's not like a cement shoes in the pocket. 193 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: So my hot take here is that Kingsbury saw an 194 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: opening and said, you know what, I'm gonna bounce because 195 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: I think dan Quinn's in trouble. This defense stings. They 196 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: fired the defensive coordinator in Washington yesterday as well, and 197 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: rog Gie, I think this is an elevation coming for 198 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury. I think he will move up. I think 199 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: he's gonna get a head coaching job. And frankly, I 200 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: know a lot of people are like, oh yeah, gimme 201 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: Brian Flores, give me jesse mentro I get all that. 202 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: I would, as we always talk about, I would lean 203 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: offense here. I'm curious, rob, do you want Kingsbury as 204 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: your head coach with the Raiders? You got Mendoza, genty Bowers. 205 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: That's a good offensive nucleus. I think he could do 206 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: damage with that in the desert. 207 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: You know, Jamck, I think you're half right with all 208 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: of this, because I do believe to your point that 209 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury has bigger fish to fry than being in 210 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: OC in the NFL. I mean, he was even a 211 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: candidate for the Raiders OC gig last year before they 212 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: gave to Chip Kelly. So that's a different conversation right there. 213 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: And I agree with you. I think that in his 214 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: mind he is just as good as the McVeigh, Shanahan, 215 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 3: you know, Tree, Like he's one of those type of 216 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: guys where the reason why I say you're only half right, though, 217 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: is I believe that this parting of the ways was 218 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: less about him wanting to get into this cycle now 219 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: and more about dan Quinn trying to save his bacon. 220 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: Because to your point, you said it right there at 221 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: the end, he cleared out the OC and the DC. 222 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: And usually when that happens and the head coach is 223 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: the last man standing, it's because he knows that his 224 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: butt's on the line and he's got to do something 225 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: to turn the tide there in Washington, like we saw 226 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: Sean mcderry that McDermot do that in Buffalo a couple 227 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: of times. I've seen this happen. I think it was 228 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 3: all in Chicago a couple of years ago. Like this 229 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: happens regularly when coaches know they're on the hot seat. 230 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: And I think that that dan Quinn. The way that 231 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: things went this season, obviously, when you have Jaden and 232 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: Daniels being hurt, you know, that's gonna change the things 233 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 3: a little bit. But even when he was out there, 234 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: they didn't look good like as a team. They took 235 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: a big step back from year one a year two. 236 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: So that's where I think that is. But to your 237 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: overall point about Cliff Kingsbury, I'm skeptical of him personally 238 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: just because all the things that you mentioned or think 239 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 3: that would be a red flag to me. You know, 240 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: he's kind of a little too cool for school, not 241 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: really disciplinarian, not really you know, a football guy, all quotes, 242 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: you know, the way they say. He's more of like 243 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: a New Age type of dude. Having said that, when 244 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 3: you have friend of the podcast, NFL insider Jordan Schultz 245 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: coming out on Tuesday and saying that Jade and Daniels 246 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 3: was quote blindsided by the Kingsbury news and that Daniels 247 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: and several of his team were quote disappointed with the decision. 248 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: That's face volumes, but that's huge because they thought they 249 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 3: were building something and Jade and Daniels, you know, so 250 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: much of being a successful Unflur quarterback is not about 251 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: your talent, because all these guys are talented. Trevor Lawrence 252 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: is talented. Kaylor One is talented. You don't know if 253 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: they're going to reach their full potential like Trevor Lawrence 254 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 3: is now if you don't have the right stuff around you. 255 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: And I believe that Jaden Daniels thought that Cliff Kingsbury, 256 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: that they're pairing together, was gonna maximize his talent. And 257 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: who's to say now that in year three and year four, 258 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: maybe they don't get it right with the OC, or 259 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: they get a guy where it takes a year to 260 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: figure things out. And instead of saying Jaden Daniels is 261 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: the next guy to crack that Burrow mahomes Alan Jackson, 262 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: you know, fearsome, forsome, maybe it's a conversation like, hey, 263 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: remember when we thought CJ. Stroudard's gonna be that guy 264 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: and they fumbled around their OC for a couple of 265 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: seasons and it looks like he peaked as a rookie 266 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: and never really got better. Like that's the risk you 267 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 3: run when you get rid of a guy like Cliff 268 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: Kingsbury who made such good music with your starting quarterback. 269 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeh, never good when your offense is blindsided. So I'm 270 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: looking at their schedule. So they beat the Giants, lost 271 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: to the Packers. The Packers understandable. They smashed the Raiders, 272 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: then they lost a tough one to the Falcons with 273 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: Mariota quarterback. Daniels comes back and beats the Chargers. I 274 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: was at that game. Chargers are in control early and 275 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: there was like one big play and boom, Daniels gets 276 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: them right back in the game. So at that point 277 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: they're three and two with Jayden Daniels. Then they lose 278 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: a heartbreaker of the Bears at home in the rain, 279 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: and that's when things went off the Rails. Daniels gets 280 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: hurt against Dallas, they get smashed, and then they didn't 281 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: win a game again for like two months. And you know, 282 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: Daniels missed like all of them, came back to early 283 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: against Minnesota, came back to early against Seattle like he 284 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: just tried to play through injury. I'm just I think 285 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: you can automatically cross Washington. Well not, let me not 286 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: say automatically. I don't you know you're looking at potential 287 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: playoff teams fort year because we're always spinning it forward. 288 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: I don't think I think Washington's are in a rebuild. 289 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: Yep, they got the rookie. 290 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: Quarterback, but the defense needs like fifty pieces. They need 291 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: The Deebo Samuel deal didn't work out, even though he 292 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: led them in receptions. I liked it at the time, 293 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: it just didn't work. And they now have an uphill 294 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: clim because Rob, you know, we're gonna have Daniel Jeremiah 295 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: on the pod here shortly. He likes the Giants a lot, 296 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: and I'll be honest, I think the Cowboys have a 297 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: better roster. I would look at Washington in the cellar 298 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: next year. In the NFC East, I don't think it's great. 299 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: And then you look at the NFC North. Every team 300 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: was above five hundred. The NFC South stinks. We get 301 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: that the NFC West is probably the best division in 302 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: football with three playoff teams. So there's no path to 303 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: the playoffs for Washington other than Jaydon Daniels being superhuman 304 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: in the defense, playing way above their head. I don't 305 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: know that we're gonna get that. I think you're right, 306 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: Dan Quinn, probably on the clock in DC and uh yeah, 307 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: that's a tough one. So let me ask you about 308 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: Kings three. The Raiders are gonna be attractive. Have the 309 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: number one pick, I know there's a bunch of stories 310 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: out there swirling about, well Brady Brady was having an 311 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: input on the Raiders team that went sideways. That's Pete 312 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: Carroll's spin. Okay, Pete Carroll's people are coming out and say, whoa, whoa, whoa. 313 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 2: Don't blame this on me. I didn't want to go 314 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: out like this, but I didn't handpicked by O C 315 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: and blah blah blah blah. I everybody's spinning to make 316 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: themselves look good. Who picked Gino Smith? I will never 317 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: get a clear answer. You know, you'll never hear official 318 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: word that yes, I wanted Gino Smith above all, I 319 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: was pounding the table. Nobody will admit that he led 320 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: the league in interceptions. But you can reboot quickly, man. 321 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 2: I honestly the idea of floor what's better to you 322 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: Flores and Dabole Combo or Kingsbury as head coach? Combo 323 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 2: because I always lean offensive guy. I don't know if 324 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if you're rocking with that, Oh yeah. 325 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 3: Especially if you have a young quarterback. I'm gonna go 326 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: with the young guru, offensive minded guy. And especially and 327 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: this is even though I'd like Brian Flores I think 328 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: he'd be a solid addition to whatever team he goes to, 329 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 3: even if it is the Raiders. You forget that when 330 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: he was win Miami and things ended badly there for him. 331 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 3: They were winning, they were you know. I think he 332 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: actually got fired because they want too much. If you 333 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 3: remember the investigation right, like, there was a finding of 334 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: the owner because the owner wanted him to lose. But 335 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: the bigger story with that situation was they had their 336 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: young quarterback and it was Tua, and Brian Flores mismanaged 337 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 3: the hall at it Tua in that first year, I 338 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: think a year and a half, kept ying yoyoing back 339 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: and forth with him and Ryan Fitzpatrick because he's like, hey, 340 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: I got to win now, and Fitzpatrick gives me a 341 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 3: better chance to win. I'm not interested in developing a 342 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: young quarterback. So that's the drawback. If you're the Raiders 343 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 3: and you're dead set on Mendoza or more and one 344 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: of those guys at your quarterback or the future, can 345 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: we trust that in this hypothetical scenario, Brian Daball is 346 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 3: going to be able to be the good cop to 347 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: Brian Flores's bad cop and kind of keep him at bay. 348 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: While he develops this young guy. That's the question, because 349 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: I think that we know the answer with Cliff Kingsbury. 350 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: He did it pretty well with Kyler Murray. Say what 351 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: you want about how he's turned out the last couple 352 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 3: of years. When he was with Cliff, he had his 353 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: best seasons, and he did it with Jayden Daniels. So 354 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 3: if your number one goal is to develop the quarterback, 355 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 3: give me Cliff Kingsbury. 356 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: Okay, So I floated this scenario. So obviously, you know, 357 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about the Jets again. I 358 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: know you guys hate you talk about the Jets. But 359 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: you know, I saw Todd mcshade. We might have to 360 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: get him on the podcast. I used to know him. 361 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: He had some issues at ESPN, and and now he's 362 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: like I think he's who's he with Bill Simmons. 363 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: I think maybe I think he was with Simmons. He 364 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 3: might be doing his own thing as well. 365 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So he had a take that Dante Moore should 366 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 2: tell the Jets bleep you and stay in college and 367 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: make you know, five million dollars or whatever it is 368 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: at Oregon. Okay, I love that, and that's a little bit. Yeah, 369 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: of course, everybody listen, everybody, let's crap it on the Jets. Fine, 370 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 2: I get it, cool, enjoy it. I think the reality 371 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: is this is in play rob So Oregon, Indiana. I 372 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: think is Friday night. What if Dante Moore has a 373 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: wail of a game, outplays Mendoza and that Indiana defense 374 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: and Dante Moore goes I don't know, three twenty five 375 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: three touchdowns and Oregon wins thirty five thirty okay, all 376 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: of a sudden that changes the draft discussion. Oh my gosh, 377 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: super high profile game, twenty million people watching. Dante Moore's him, 378 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: He's him, and all of a sudden, the Raiders turn 379 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: their attention from Mendoza, who everybody liked all season, to 380 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: Dante Moore, and then the Jets have Mendoza fall into 381 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: their lap. At that point, I would I would strongly 382 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: consider dumping Aaron Glenn and saying, Kingsbury, we want you 383 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: to be our offensive coordinator or I'm sorry, we want 384 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: you to be our head coach. We're dumping Glenn come 385 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: in as head coach mentor Mendoza. I would be on 386 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: board with that in a heartbeat. Now, the problem is, 387 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: Dante Moore did not look great against Sexis Tech. I 388 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: didn't see it. He also didn't look great against Indiana. 389 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: He's looked good in other games, but they were not 390 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: great opponents. Clean pocket guy's running wide open. Sure he's 391 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: gonna crush, but making plays happen when things break down, 392 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: when they take away your first read, like, we'll see 393 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: that on display. I don't know, Rob, do you have 394 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: a lean Mendoza or more? Do you? I mean you 395 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: might think More goes back to school. 396 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think he's gona go back to school, 397 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: even though I don't want him to. Because full disclosure, 398 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 3: I know that I'm not Daniel Jeremiah, I'm not Todd Mayshe. 399 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 3: But the guy I believe has the higher ceiling is 400 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: Dante Moore over Fernando Mendoza. And I think what you 401 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 3: saw in that I wasn't call it a bowl game. 402 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 3: What you saw in that college football playoff quarter final 403 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: game stupid, is that Dante Moore is a guy who 404 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 3: has what less than fifteen starts under his belt in 405 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 3: college Yeah, and Fernando Mendoza is a guy who has 406 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 3: like thirty five starts under his belt. And even Mendoza 407 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: didn't look great against some of the best competition. You know, 408 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: this past season, I know he looked awesome there against Alabama, 409 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 3: and you know in the rainyar South California. He looked 410 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: really good in the Big Ten Championship at Ohio State. 411 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: But if you'll recall against Penn State, I remember the 412 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 3: game winning drive. He looked really bad in that game 413 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: through three and a half quarters, and then he turned 414 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: it on there at the end. And so what you're 415 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: seeing when it comes to those two guys, in my opinion, 416 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 3: you're gonna have the established, the polished passer in Fernano Mendoza, 417 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 3: who I believe is gonna come into the NFL and 418 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: be better than Dante Moore just because he's gonna be 419 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: more seasoned, he's gonna have seen More's. He plays the 420 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 3: quarterback in a classic way better than I think Dante 421 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 3: More does at this stage in his career. But Dante 422 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 3: Moore has so much more upside with his physical gifts. 423 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: That's the only drawback to me with Mendoza is he 424 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: has the height, but I don't know if he has 425 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: any of the measurables you look for in a slam 426 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 3: dug number one overall pick. And so that's going to 427 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: be an interesting conversation because if you're a team like 428 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 3: my Raiders or like your Jets, or you know, pick 429 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 3: whoever might potentially try to trade up when you know 430 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 3: that your roster is two or three years away, I 431 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 3: would much rather roll the dice on the upside guy 432 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 3: than the guy who's gonna come in and just be solid. 433 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 2: Interesting. So, some of the things you were saying there 434 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: makes sense. But I don't know if you saw this 435 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 2: stat So there's fourteen playoff teams, right, Twelve of the 436 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: fourteen quarterbacks were first round picks. The only two that 437 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: were not Jalen Hurt second and Rock Purty dead last 438 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: in the draft. Yep, everyone else first round pick. So 439 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: we're headed toward an arrow where it's like, Okay, you're 440 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: either a first round pick and you're going to be 441 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: a quarterback or you're not. There just aren't a lot 442 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: of those guys sneaking through the cracks. I mean, yeah, 443 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: we've had a couple, you know, Gino Smith made the 444 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: playoffs one year, he wasn't a first round pick. Russell 445 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: Wilson had a good run, Dak Prescott like yeah, but 446 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: by and large its first round picks. So if you 447 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: don't think if people think Moore is a second round pick, 448 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: I don't think he comes out right. You could stay 449 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: at Oregon and make I don't know, three million dollars a. 450 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 3: Year, or you could make more than that. I mean, 451 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this. The Athletic published 452 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 3: the piece that came out on Tuesday, and in it 453 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 3: they were discussing how the transfer portals kind of running. 454 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: Look that you got basically a third of one out 455 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 3: of every three college football players is in the portal 456 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: right now, or or it was in it and has 457 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 3: now picked a new team or whatever. In it, they 458 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: discuss how there was supposed to be a salary cap, 459 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 3: right remember the House representative of incaas there's gonna be 460 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: twenty and a half million dollars across the board, so 461 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 3: everybody has the same opportunity to get players, and that 462 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: was going to be the thing according to the Athletic 463 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: and the survey of all the you know, gms around 464 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 3: college football, with the third party nil being the way 465 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 3: that it is you can get players and kind of 466 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 3: quote unquote circumvent the cap. So they're saying teams are 467 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: spending like thirty million dollars and that the athletic. This 468 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: is in the athletic and that the average going rates 469 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: for a transferred portal quarterback. And this is just the 470 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: average guy. They said, the best guys are going to 471 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: exceed this amount is between one and four million dollars. 472 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 3: And they expect guys like u is It Levit from 473 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 3: Arizona State and another kid who his name escapes me 474 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: that they're gonna be getting, you know, between five and 475 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 3: seven million dollars in the portal. So if you're Dante Moore, 476 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: I know you don't have to enter the portal, but 477 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: you know you could nudge Phil and Dy and say, hey, 478 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: instead of me going to the pros, I'm not jumping 479 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 3: in the portal. But if I jump to the NFL, 480 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 3: maybe you make it work for a while so I 481 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 3: can stay here another season. 482 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: Well that's interesting because if they beat Indiana, most of 483 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: the seats are going to be taken in the quarterback 484 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: musical chairs game. 485 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: Right. 486 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 2: Sure, some people are claiming Dylan Reyola is waiting on 487 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: Dante Moore before he commits to Oregon. That's the Nebraska 488 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes look alike. But I don't know. I mean, 489 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: the guys are starting to pick and like, I don't know, 490 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: that becomes interesting because I don't know what to make 491 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: them more. I mean, he looks good, but that game 492 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: against Texas Tech was not impressive. I know the body 493 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: of work is one season. I mean, we need to 494 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: see more, But I mean, can the Jets risk see more? 495 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. They don't have time. 496 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 497 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 498 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 499 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: listen live. 500 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 2: All right, let's quickly pivot to the NBA rob because 501 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: there was a bomb dropped yesterday by Shams that Trey 502 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: Young and his agents are working with the Hawks on 503 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: a trade. Now, everybody knows Trey Young still do about 504 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: eighty some odd million dollars the rest of this year 505 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: and next year by your option. Next year, he's definitely 506 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: gonna pick that up. And after that, who knows. We're 507 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: in a weird era in the NBA. This new second 508 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: aprin is so punitive that unless you're really elite, there's 509 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: no more. Well, we'll give him the deal and figure 510 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: it out later. You're just not doing that. Nobody wants 511 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: to pay very punitive luxury taxes for a you know, 512 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 2: a nine seed that it gets knocked out on the plane. 513 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 2: The rich guys saying that's not worth it. I'm not 514 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: cutting a check for two hundred million dollars, you know, 515 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: for a team that doesn't even make the first round. 516 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 2: And the Hawks are now better without Trey Young. And 517 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 2: I feel kind of bad because Rob, he was and 518 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: not that long ago, really freaking good and had the 519 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: Hawks in the Eastern Conference finals, and my, how quickly 520 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 2: things have faded. He don't play a lot of defense, 521 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: but we've always known that that hasn't really changed. Hawk's 522 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 2: currently tenth in the East, tied with the Milwaukee Bucks. 523 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: This is interesting, Rob. So the market seems very very thin. 524 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: Everybody's speculating the Wizards some sort of CJ column salary dump, 525 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: nothing sexy. It would essentially be Trey Young to the 526 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: Wizards for CJ McCollum filler. And you're probably gonna have 527 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 2: to give up a good pick if it like, attach 528 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 2: it to Trey Young, whether it's a high second or 529 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: a late first. But that's the deal that everybody kind 530 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 2: of agrees is top line. The interesting one is do 531 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: the Milwaukee Bucks throw one last hail Mary to partner 532 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: him with Yannis? Or or are you ready for this? 533 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: Do the Bucks say we're not going anywhere with Yannis, 534 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: he ain't signing with us. Why don't we get Trey 535 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: Young who will help us clean up our books in 536 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: two years? He could stabilize things as a point guard. 537 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: Maybe we make the playoffs, whatever, but we'll take on 538 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: Trey Young and we ain't. You know, we'll probably not 539 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: making the playoffs. The reality is, but guess what after 540 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: next year, we're in much better cap shape. We'll take 541 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: a two year hit, not really be competitive. Maybe Tray 542 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: Young sells some jerseys because he's fun and exciting. Maybe 543 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: he drops a fifty burger I don't know, twice a month, 544 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: I who knows. But we get out of this Giannis thing. 545 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: We don't make it ugly, we don't get an awful deal. 546 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: And after two years, guess what, we're off Trey Young. 547 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: We start to get our picks back. The Damian Lillard 548 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: thing will be done. Maybe there's something there to do. 549 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: The Bucks and Trey Young do anything for you, j Mac. 550 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 3: We talked about this two or three weeks ago. Remember 551 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: Rich Paul floated Jalen Johnson to the Bucks. Remember that 552 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 3: for Yiannis? Oh yeah, yeah, and you and I said 553 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 3: on this podcast we did that. It's it's less It's 554 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: unlikely obviously that they're gonna trade Jalen Johnson because he's 555 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 3: like their franchise guy in Atlanta right now. It's more 556 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 3: likely that the Hawk that the Bucks would try to 557 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 3: be buyers and say, hey, how about instead of doing 558 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: a deal where we send you Yannis for Jalen Johnson, 559 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: how about you send us Trey Young. And they called 560 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: us the mad Man and we were getting tweets about 561 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 3: it and dms about it, saying, you guys are crazy. 562 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: There's no way that the Hawks are going to trade 563 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: Tree Young for the Bucks. The Bucks don't have anything. 564 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: And yet I'm looking at ESPN dot com as you 565 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: were reading that story and talking about what's going on, 566 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 3: and of course washing is number one, because there seem 567 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: to be the place where NBA careers go to die. 568 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 3: So if you're going to trade somebody, trade him there. 569 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: The second most likely team is the Milwaukee Bucks for 570 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 3: all the reasons that you mentioned. Because if you have 571 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: this pipe dream of satisfying Giannis and the idea that 572 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 3: we can keep him long term and we can win 573 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 3: it a high clip. And do you know whatever it 574 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 3: is they think that they can do in Milwaukee, which 575 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 3: they've been doing for years now, because if one thing 576 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 3: that people don't I don't think realize with that Land, 577 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 3: excuse me with Milwaukee is they have been pushing all 578 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 3: in time and time again. Like you view the roster 579 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 3: now you say, oh, no, it was a tear down. No no, 580 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: it wasn't. Like they thought that they needed more scoring punch. 581 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: So that's why they got off the Drew Holliday thing. 582 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 3: For Dame. They thought that Chris Middleton's knees were shot, 583 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: so that's why they traded him and tried to add 584 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: something else with that. They do the sign and trade 585 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: with the Miles Turner to get off the Dame Litdard 586 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: and they're pushing all their chips further and further down. 587 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 3: They're gonna pay the piper eventually, but for now they 588 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 3: want to win. And to your point, if you can 589 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: make this deal for Trey Young, ESPN floated out Kuzma, 590 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: Portis Harris and potentially a first round pick like that's 591 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: nothing for a guy like Trey Young. For the upside, 592 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 3: of a Trey Young. Kyle Kuzma is the sunk cost. 593 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 3: Bobby Portis is, you know, is a good player, but 594 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 3: when you already have Giannis and Turner, he kind of 595 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 3: becomes what you're third fourth big man. Gary Harris is 596 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: a rotational guy. It is what it is, the upside 597 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 3: hypothetically of a Tray Young Jannis pairing. I don't think 598 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: he's gonna win you a championship, but in a water 599 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 3: down Eastern Conference, you can get to the second round, 600 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: maybe even the conference finals with that. So why wouldn't 601 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: you take the risk If it doesn't work out two 602 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 3: years from now they're both gone anyways, It is what 603 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: it is. You recoup some of those assets with Giannis 604 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: that you gave up, because when you trade him, you 605 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: get something back. 606 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: So are you you're saying that they would move off 607 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: of this Portois? Who who are the guys again? 608 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: They said Kuzma, Portis, Harris, and a first round pick. 609 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 3: Because then if you're Atlanta, the reason why the Washington 610 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: is being floated is you get expiring contracts. But according 611 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 3: to Mark Stein, you'd have to throw in a pick 612 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 3: attach the Trey Young to get off of him. 613 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you got to do that. Yeah, and in. 614 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 3: This situation, because you know, I think Kuzma, Portis and 615 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 3: Harris have longer deals, you'd actually be getting a pick. 616 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: See. The only problem with that the Bucks giving up 617 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: twenty thirty one. I know you say, in two years, 618 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: if it doesn't work, they're both gone. But I don't 619 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 2: think the Bucks have any picks then for like what 620 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,239 Speaker 2: two years would be twenty seven. I don't think they 621 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: have their twenty eight, twenty nine to thirty first round pick. 622 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: Well, that's where the Yanis trade comes in. If this 623 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: doesn't go well and it fails spectacular, which it probably 624 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 3: will for being honest, you know, like the upside is there, 625 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 3: but so was the downside. 626 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: Oh so you think Giannis can fetch you three or. 627 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: Four, Yeah, then gianna Is gonna get you three picks 628 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: back you're and then you're right back where you started. 629 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 2: Very curious if anybody bites on that. The problem is, 630 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: like I think that Lakers stuff with Trey Young was 631 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: it last summer or two summers ago? 632 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: Two summers ago? 633 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun and smart on the part of 634 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: the Hawks or his agent trying to get ahead of 635 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: this and move him. But the Lakers were good to 636 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: dodge at bullet, Like, can you imagine if they gave 637 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: up Buston Reeve for Trey Young? 638 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, though that was the clutch Sports Ridge Paul Special 639 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 3: where he was trying to get all the guys to 640 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: LA and then eventually Trey Young got a new agent, 641 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: so that kind of changed the whole calculus. 642 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's so strange how quickly he's 643 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: fallen out of favor. Man, this guy was a top 644 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: five pick. So DeAndre Ayton is on his Let me 645 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 2: look at that draft. What was it twenty nineteen? I think, oh, 646 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: I think all the top five picks. 647 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 3: It was eight and Bagley, Luca, Trey Young. Right, that 648 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: was the first four. 649 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 2: So nineteen was Zion and John Morant. Twenty eighteen Anthony Edwards. Yeah, 650 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: so twenty eighteen, the number one pick was DeAndre Ayton. 651 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: He he was Sons, he was Blazers, and then he 652 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 2: likely I think, yeah, so he's on his thirteen. Marvin 653 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 2: Bagley the third. I mean, he's been on a ton 654 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 2: of teams. He's currently on the Wizards. He's had some injuries, 655 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: Luca third pick, he's on his second team. Jaron Jackson 656 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 2: Junior is still in Memphis, Trey Young about to be 657 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: on his second team, and unbelievable turn of events, Luca 658 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: was traded for Trey Young. Yeah, this is how bad 659 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 2: the draft with Mobamba went six. I think he's cooking 660 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: in like the G League. Oh no, he's on the 661 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 2: rap He just got called up to the Raptors. H 662 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 2: But Wendell Carter, he's kind of Orlando, Chicago, Collins, Sex 663 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 2: And it's weird. Man. You look back at some of 664 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: these drafts, like, none of these guys were good. I mean, 665 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: we could wrap up with this rub. Have you followed 666 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: the Warrior situation lately. 667 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 3: Peripherally just a little bit. 668 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 2: It seems like everybody's losing their mind because on the team, 669 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 2: because they realized we don't have anything here. They're currently 670 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 2: eight in the West by three games. They're in the playoffs. 671 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: The Clippers are surging. Okay, they're they're trying hard because 672 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 2: they have they don't have their picks. I don't think 673 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: Dallas is going to be competitive. They're they more likely 674 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: to dump a D. But the Golden State Warriors are 675 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 2: one game above five hundred. Steve Kerr is getting tossed 676 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 2: from games Draymond Green and Steve Kerr beefing on the bench. 677 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: Draymond is getting tossed from games, and all the while 678 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 2: Steph Curry is, you know, playing amazing, and they're not 679 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 2: going anywhere and they're probably gonna lose in the plane. 680 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: Curry currently had twenty eight points per game. He's shooting 681 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 2: thirty nine percent from deep. Did Jimmy Butler thing? I know, 682 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 2: they tried rob they tried real hardy. It just it's 683 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 2: not really working. And the Curry injury last year cooked them. 684 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 2: After they got the first round. Who they beat in 685 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 2: the first round? They bee Houston, Houston, that's right in seven, 686 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 2: and then Curry gets hurt in the first game against 687 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 2: Minnesota and that was it. I don't think they win 688 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 2: another playoff series with this group. It seems like it's 689 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: just a powder keg. But especially with the Draymond and 690 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 2: Kurr stuff, and then underlying everything is the Steph Curry. 691 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: What do you do with Curry? Do you just tell him, hey, man, 692 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 2: we're really sorry, we can't build anything around you, or 693 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: do you say, hey, we're sorry, we couldn't. Do you 694 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 2: want us to trade you? Is there anywhere you want 695 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 2: to go? I don't how do you ask Steph Curry 696 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 2: that he's mister Warriors. But as we've talked about on 697 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 2: the pod over the years, Rob, I mean, you look 698 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: at everybody. Go look at where Scottie Pippen was in 699 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 2: his late thirties. Go look at Michael Jordan after he 700 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 2: came back and retired. He was with the Wizards trying 701 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 2: to win. Who is the achemological Look at Lebron James. 702 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 2: Lebron James has bounced around, Kevin Viewing, Kevin dur Everybody's 703 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 2: bounced around. I know the idea of being a lifer, 704 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 2: like Magic and Larry and Isaiah, is alluring and cool. 705 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I mean, I know he's gotten 706 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 2: used to the area and his family and all that stuff, 707 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 2: and I get that you want to be near the kids. 708 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 2: But Rob, it's it's getting late early, Bro, I don't 709 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: know how you fix this. It's just not fun like 710 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 2: in the NFL right now, No Lamar, no Borough, no 711 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 2: Mahomes in the playoffs. That could be a year or two. 712 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. This might be the new normal. But 713 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 2: Curry's thirty seven turning thirty eight in March. Can we 714 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: get him another playoff run. I don't know if you 715 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 2: can facilitate or trade. It's just not happening in Golden State. 716 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 2: They can't get Yannis and there's no path I mean 717 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 2: there's They're not even a top six team. I don't 718 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 2: if everybody's healthy, it doesn't matter. So what do you 719 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 2: do with Steph Curry? I don't even have a let now. 720 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: I do know he was born in Cleveland, right, akrons hospitality, 721 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: He grew up in Carolina, grew up in Carolina. Cleveland 722 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 2: is down bad. After last year's Fugazi season where everything 723 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 2: went right, this year nothing's going right. They're a five 724 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 2: hundred team Carolina. I mean, Charlotte is what middling. I mean, 725 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 2: if you are the Warriors, you could have had LaMelo 726 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 2: Ball back in the day in the draft. Is there 727 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 2: a world where they say, hey, guys, you can reboot 728 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: around Lamelow, give us Curry for his final few years 729 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Charlotte, you know, in 730 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 2: the East, I think your chances are much better Curry 731 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: to do some damage. Charlotte currently twelfth in the East. 732 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 2: This kid Khan canipple rookie. Yeah, he's putting up some numbers. 733 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 2: And having a really good rookie year. Bridges is playing well. 734 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 2: Brandon Miller looks like something I don't know. Can you 735 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,479 Speaker 2: do you think you could sell a LaMelo bowl trade 736 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 2: for goal. He's just the antithesis of the Curry era. 737 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 2: You know, he's all about himself. I mean, Steve Kerr 738 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 2: would have to have to leave for sure. There's no 739 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 2: way he's sticking around. 740 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 3: With Steve Kurr should leave anyways, he probably should, Steve 741 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 3: Steve look, look, man, I know where he gets it. 742 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 3: We've been going for too long. We'll do another pot 743 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 3: another day. But Steve Kerr has shown over the last 744 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 3: few years that he has no understanding of how to 745 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 3: deal with young players. Yeah, between the Kaminga stuff, the 746 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 3: cowtow into Draymond, the way they handled Jordan Poole, you 747 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 3: know that, that the way the Yo Yo Pajemski and 748 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 3: all these other guys around their their lineup because they 749 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 3: got to appeal like what they had was great with 750 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 3: the Splash brothers and Draymond and what they did was 751 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,479 Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, that was incredible. But that kind of stuff 752 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 3: runs its course and you have to reimagine yourself and 753 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 3: you have to you know, reinvent yourself. And he is 754 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 3: so hell bent on playing this same style, which they 755 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 3: don't have the pieces for, and rather than develop these 756 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 3: young guys and see what you have and maybe tweak 757 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 3: some things, there's just holding on to this idea that 758 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 3: Steph Curry, Draymond and guys running this motion offense is 759 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 3: gonna be able to take to the promised Land. And 760 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 3: then flash forward to about a week ago, he says, 761 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a radio interviewer on 762 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 3: a news conference where he says, people who expect we 763 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 3: can compete with Okac and san Antonio, like that's not it. 764 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 3: We can't. So it's like so yeah, so it's like, well, 765 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 3: what are we doing here? Then? Like why are you 766 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 3: holding on to the old guard of Steph Curry and 767 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 3: Draymond and Jimmy Butler and doing everything you can to 768 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 3: appease those guys. If you know you can't win, then 769 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 3: your plan should be what do we have in these 770 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 3: young guys? What can we do to build the next 771 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 3: era of Warriors basketball? And he doesn't want to or 772 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 3: he's incapable of doing it. So if the only way 773 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 3: that's gonna happen is for them to make a swing 774 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 3: and potentially a huge miss or a home run on 775 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 3: LaMelo ball, then so be it. But the way you're 776 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 3: trying to play both sides and sit on the fence 777 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 3: about it is just it's bad for everybody in Golden State. 778 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we need to speak it into existence. LaMelo 779 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 2: ball for Steph Curry. I mean, if you're the Warriors, 780 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 2: that's not the worst idea in the world. You get 781 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 2: way younger, you just let the LaMelo. You just let 782 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 2: him loose with Kaminga Stan Pods. Yeah, Steve kirk Quitz, 783 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 2: you move off Jimmy Butler somehow and then you start 784 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 2: your new era. I mean, Labello ball. He's still young. 785 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 2: Was he like twenty five because he didn't go to college? Right, 786 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 2: hold on, No, he's got to be he's super young. Yeah, 787 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 2: LaMelo ball is twenty he's twenty four. Yeah, I do that. 788 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 2: And Charlotte don't need him because they got Miller and 789 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 2: some other Oh. I like it. Rob, we'll wrap on 790 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,760 Speaker 2: that speaking into existence Curry for LaMelo talk to you tomorrow.