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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and there's Jerry over there, and this

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Speaker 1: is stuff you should know the podcast. All right, we've

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Speaker 1: done one on air bags, right, Which one did we

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Speaker 1: do that was all about like the crumple zones and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. That's a great question, Chuck. I've been

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Speaker 1: really trying to figure that out. I think it must

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Speaker 1: have been Pinto's what was it. I know that we

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about car safety and engineering and how

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Man, I don't know. I'm suddenly creeped out.

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Speaker 1: Are you confident we have not done this one? I

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Speaker 1: would put my confidence at I searched so far and wide,

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Speaker 1: all right, which is we've three that is well above

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Speaker 1: the fifty threshold that we required to possibly rerecording. Like,

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Speaker 1: none of this, none of this seemed particularly familiar. We've

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Speaker 1: definitely talked about something like crumple zones, that kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: because we've talked about how cars we like I used

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Speaker 1: to think they were pieces of junk now, but they're

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Speaker 1: actually designed to come apart like that because in doing so,

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Speaker 1: they protect the people inside. We've definitely talked about that,

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Speaker 1: but and that really applies to what we're about to

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Speaker 1: talk about. But the actual details of what we're about

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Speaker 1: to talk about, I don't recognize them as familiar. Alright,

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Speaker 1: forward forward we go. So so cars have become exponentially

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Speaker 1: safer than they used to be. UM. There's, first of all,

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Speaker 1: hats off to not only the house stuff Works article

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Speaker 1: on crash testing that was really great, and then one

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Speaker 1: from Jelopnick that was a really great one about crash

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Speaker 1: testing your are And on that Gelopnic article, that's a

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Speaker 1: great website. It is, it's wonderful. UM. On that Gelopnic article,

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Speaker 1: they posted a YouTube video that made the rounds like

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Speaker 1: a few years back, UM, and it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: two thousand nine Malibu versus a nine bel Air and

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Speaker 1: they go head on and the the dummy and the

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Speaker 1: Malibu is like what, I didn't even notice anything, and

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Speaker 1: the person in the bell Air just disintegrates. Basically, the

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Speaker 1: crash test dummy and the bell are just disintegrates. Because

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Speaker 1: cars used to be made too to be sturdy. But

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Speaker 1: that's really bad for you in the car nowadays, they're

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Speaker 1: made to not be sturdy, and that moves the force

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Speaker 1: not into you. And the reason why cars are so

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Speaker 1: much better these days now is because we started crash

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Speaker 1: testing them, and the people who test them, who crash

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Speaker 1: test them, started telling the public, Hey, this car doesn't

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Speaker 1: due very well in a crash test. Uh, this car

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Speaker 1: does really great in a crash test. And people started

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Speaker 1: to kind of sit up and listen and go, oh, wait,

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Speaker 1: we can survive a crash now if we buy a

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Speaker 1: certain car. Let's go buy that car. And then automakers

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Speaker 1: started to try to keep up and catch up, and

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Speaker 1: safety became an important thing. And again it was almost

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Speaker 1: exclusively thanks to crash testing. Yeah, car maker said, I

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Speaker 1: guess we all got to start making things go again

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Speaker 1: to nanny state. All right, So let's go back a

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Speaker 1: little bit. We'll talk very briefly about the history of

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Speaker 1: crash testing, because, like you said, in the early days,

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Speaker 1: it was basically, if a car performed well out there

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Speaker 1: care about driving the car, not crashing the car. Why

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Speaker 1: would anyone care about that? And then in nineteen thirty four,

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Speaker 1: General Motors said, you know what, maybe we should crash

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Speaker 1: into this. So GM held the very first barrier test

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Speaker 1: um jump out. And they said, okay, I guess that's fine. Um,

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Speaker 1: And so other car companies, as they started building cars,

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Speaker 1: man named Sam Alderson really changed the game when he

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Speaker 1: in cars too. So he got together with Sierra Engineering,

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Speaker 1: test dummy, Sierra Sam. Oh, that's right. We talked about

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Speaker 1: Sierra Sam in the Murphy's Law episode. Okay, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: posthumously inducted into the National Inventor's Halma Fame. In with

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Speaker 1: a lot of inventions, but largely this crash testumy patent

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Speaker 1: ninety one to take seatbelts into consideration, and then in

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Speaker 1: the standard and we'll get to why they did this,

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Speaker 1: me that's used. Now, that's great, and that's a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge progression because for decades and decades they used what

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Speaker 1: average males gained about twenty five pounds and shrunken inch

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Speaker 1: But there's one other thing I saw about crash test dummies. UM.

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Speaker 1: One of the things they can't replicate is tissue damage,

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Speaker 1: their official crashes. And what we're mainly talking about is

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Speaker 1: those official crashes, but I imagine they're all pretty similar.

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Speaker 1: Now we should also say those official crashes there, they're

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Speaker 1: thank you, Charles, They so vastly undersatisfy what the average

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Speaker 1: it really shows that the people who run these crash

429
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: tests and who actually do this work care about you

430
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: and your family. When you're driving around in a car.

431
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: They're not sitting on their laurels. Or they are. But

432
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: then they eventually stopped sitting on their laurels and like

433
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: rechallenge everybody again. Yeah, I think they were. They found

434
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: that a lot of those sort of um diagonal hits

435
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: were causing a lot of like pretty catastrophic leg injuries, right,

436
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: and so they had to kind of reconfigure things um

437
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: inside the car. And you know, modern cards are so

438
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think I bought my first new car

439
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: of my life a few years ago when I bought

440
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: my Volvo. And um, you know, balbos are known for

441
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: their safety anyway, and um, these things, I mean, they

442
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: have all sort of an all. Most modern cars on

443
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: the market now have these where they're breaking automatically for

444
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: you and they're helping you stay in your lane and

445
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But you know, if you do a

446
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: certain move in this car, um, your seat belt is

447
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: called pretension. They have pretension ers and the seat belt

448
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: that will tighten down on you right before an impact.

449
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: And I've had that thing tightened down on me before, man,

450
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: and it's a little disconcerting, Like, you know, it's for

451
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: your safety, but when you're not expecting it and you

452
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: don't get into a crash and all of a sudden,

453
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: you're like and your seat belt cranks down on you. Um.

454
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: They also have something called a forced limitter that is

455
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: going to work in hand in hand with that pretension

456
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: or to make sure that they you know, it doesn't

457
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: just pretension through your chest into the back seat and

458
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: so that all happens just before the air bag. It's

459
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: all timed out like by the millisecond to tighten down

460
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: that seat belt to try and keep you from going

461
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: forward at all, and then the air bag comes out,

462
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: so when you do go forward, even that'll and you know,

463
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: you can listen to the airbags episode for all the

464
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: detail there, but they work hand in hand to make

465
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: sure you that you're slowing that kinetic energy down as

466
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: slowly and evenly as you can. They work hand in

467
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: de gloved hand hand and grass And yeah, you could

468
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: you like seat belts that do things like that? You

469
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: like airbags? Thank crash testers who basically created who demonstrated

470
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: the need for that, and automakers responded because people who

471
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: buy cars like you and me said, oh, yeah, I'd

472
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: like to to live. Yeah, I think my car even

473
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: has it has a built in booster seat in the

474
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: middle for my daughter, which she's finally old enough to

475
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: ride in. And when that seat is unhooked and engage,

476
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: you just kind of pop a little lever and push

477
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: it into place. It's uh, the side curtain air bags

478
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: raise so because they know that the air bag will

479
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: hit the child in a in a safer way basically

480
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: because the kid is in there. It's really it's amazing,

481
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: like how much how far safety has come well inside

482
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: impact airbags. And there was another development that that came

483
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: out of crash testing too, was not just the existence

484
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: of side impact airbags, but you know once those were created,

485
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: they were they they came about because of the crash

486
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: testers suddenly doing like t bone testing, like side impact tests.

487
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: But now they've also realized that, um, if you hit

488
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: like the front corner of your car, like saying a

489
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: telephone pole, Um, it's going to spin you around. You're

490
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: gonna start rotating around the telephone pole, and you might

491
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: slide off of that front airbag coming out of your

492
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: your steering wheel. So what they and they saw that

493
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: on crash tests without a side impact right, so that

494
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: they realized they went to the automakers and said, hey,

495
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: you should probably have the side impact curtains come down

496
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: when there's this front bumper impact to like on a

497
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: telephone poll, because people are going to slide off and

498
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: you want the side impact or bag to be there

499
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, and then the stressed out engineer says, well,

500
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: maybe the whole car should just be one giant airbag.

501
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: Would that make you happy? Get out of here. That

502
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: was a great stressed out engineer impression. And then the

503
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: uh the people say, yeah, actually, that's not a bad

504
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: idea to put him everywhere. Who was that? Was it?

505
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: Dennis Leary? What that was? A stand up comedian who's like,

506
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: won't they should just all beside? They should all just

507
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: be really I think so, Well, that just shows how

508
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: easy it can be to steal a bit. Yeah accidentally, right, yea,

509
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: you owe Dennis Leary five dollars? All right, I'll pay

510
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: him right after this ad break. Okay, well, now we're

511
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: on the road, driving in your truck. Want to learn

512
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: a thing or two from Josh Chuck stuff you should know?

513
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: All right? Okay, so we never really said what happens

514
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: in the in the crash test. Um. There's a few

515
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: different ones that are carried out, depending on whether you're

516
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: hanging around the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's crash testing

517
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: site or the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's crash test site,

518
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: but they're very similar. Um. A lot of people look

519
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: to the i h S is maybe being the gold

520
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: standard and the Safety Administration is being more government bureaucracy,

521
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: but they're both doing pretty good work. If you, um,

522
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: both of them really rely on the front crash because

523
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: those happen a lot, and when they do happen, they

524
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: can have pretty serious consequences for the passengers of the car.

525
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: So the Traffic Safety Administration they do they do one

526
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: UM and there is a full impact where they drag

527
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: the car at thirty five hour into a concrete barrier

528
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: and the whole, the whole hood, the whole front bumper

529
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: is involved in the impact the i h S And

530
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: this is one reason why they're kind of looked at

531
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: ISS maybe being a little better. Um. They they do

532
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: parts where the front bumper only a percentage is used,

533
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: and they do two different crash tests. They do one

534
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: where of the front bumper so it would be like

535
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: left headlight to left headlight kind of crash head on collision.

536
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: And then they do another one that's that involves more

537
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: of the bumper and UM one of them. Well yeah,

538
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: and I think the Traffic Safety Administration does those as well.

539
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: Now right, Okay, so they got on board. Yeah, finally

540
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: they said, okay, we really need to kind of consider

541
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: this because will do run into um, a pole, a

542
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: telephone pole once in a while. Like they're these these

543
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: groups are trying to recreate real world scenarios as much

544
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: as possible to see how cars hold up, you know. Yeah,

545
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: and again to reiterate, the I I h S does

546
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: an extra five miles per hour forty as opposed to

547
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: thirty five. UM. There is an injury classification system, UH

548
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: that's used from one to six, one being minor cuts

549
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: and bruises all the way up to fatal. And that

550
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: is not the star rating. That's just totally dealing with

551
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: the kind of injuries that somebody may like the likelihood

552
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: of what kind of injuries is what they're trying to

553
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: measure at least. Yeah, there was a group called the

554
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: UM American or no, the Association for Advancement of Automotive

555
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: Medicine that came up with that scale, the abbreviated Injury scale,

556
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: and there is a lot that goes into it, and

557
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: they were kind enough to basically create a handbook that

558
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: they shared with these car testers and car makers UM

559
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: so that they could they could take this data and

560
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: translate it into injuries so they could say, like, oh, well,

561
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: the crash test dummy had a load of you know,

562
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: five million Newton's on what would be the femur, and

563
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: so the femur would have just snapped in eight pieces

564
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: so that would be this number, and so that that

565
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: abbreviated Injuries Report UM is taken into account and translated

566
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: further into the rating systems because the National Highway Traffic

567
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: Safety Administration basically looks at how the car holds up

568
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: in producing injuries, and then the i h S looks

569
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: at how the car holds up and crashes as far

570
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: as injuries goes. And then also the other UM, the

571
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: other occupant um safety stuff too, like like the seatbelts,

572
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: the airbags, all of that stuff, right, And you mentioned

573
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: in is when things and it's it's kind of horrifying

574
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: to think of they were doing good work up until.

575
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: It's not like it was it's willy nilly or anything.

576
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: But when you look at all the changes they've made since,

577
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, man, it took that long to

578
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: start considering some of this stuff because it still seems

579
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: a little behind the curve even with the updates. Yeah,

580
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: as far as body types and all that stuff, for sure. Um,

581
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: So they change things in the new star ratings came

582
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: out in eleven, and cars that were previously getting four

583
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: and five star ratings in every category, in all of

584
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: a sudden, we're getting like three stars maybe or maybe

585
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: even two stars under the new system. And that's because

586
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: they have these new injury parameters. They're adding these different

587
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: tests now, um they're using the different size dummies. They're

588
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: now using that again, that small adult female instead of

589
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: the five ten one seventy email. Who if I ever

590
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: weigh literally a hundred, because I'm about five ten. If

591
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: ever weigh a hundreds eventy on the nose, I don't

592
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: know that. I'm either going to try and gain five

593
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: or lose five. I don't want to be one seventy

594
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: on the nose. Okay, you don't want to be median.

595
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: I get that. I don't want to, And hey, I'm

596
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: doing a great job so far, nowhere close to right.

597
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: You're just playing it safe. Yeah yeah, But if I

598
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: go in some massive weight loss campaign, I'm gonna I'm

599
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: gonna stop at like one eighty and be like I

600
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: like a little chunk around the middle. That's what I'm

601
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: going for is one eight as well? Maybe yeah that's

602
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: a good way. But you're you're like six ft though, right,

603
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: I am five ft eleven and a half. It just

604
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: irks me and getting smaller, yeah, just like the average

605
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: mail yep, you'll be five ten one day, my friend.

606
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: Do you think so? Now? Probably not that short. But

607
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I used to be a solid five tin and now

608
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm like five note and a half. What happens? What

609
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: are you're just getting compressed? I don't know. I think

610
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: that's a good uh. I mean you shrink as you

611
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: get older. That's a good shorty, I think, Okay, why

612
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: do you shrink? I don't know. We'll have to find

613
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: out and tell everybody. Uh. Some of the other key

614
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: parts of the post is uh. The NHTSA started assigning

615
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: a single overall safety score from front side and rollover,

616
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: with front having the heaviest weight of that overall score.

617
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: They started started putting in these additional measures for uh,

618
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: for neck extension, chest deflection, and femur and I think

619
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: they didn't have that before, which is kind of horrifying. Uh.

620
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: What else? I think they added the poll test? Yeah,

621
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: running into polls. It's a big one too. One of

622
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: the things that they did that really change things is

623
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: that rather than just getting an absolute score based on

624
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: their criteria, they started pitting cars against one another. Two.

625
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a that's a huge one. That was

626
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: an enormous change because now they're like, okay, you want

627
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: to be the best, well you've got to be the

628
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: best in the industry. You can't just be like, you know, yes,

629
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: we're all going to meet this. And that was one

630
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: reason why those two thousand ten changes were aid and

631
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: one reason why the i h S keeps changing its tests.

632
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: They're not like like any time they they they create

633
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: a new test or they create a new standard, all

634
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: of the automakers rushed to meet that UM and some

635
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: of them may already meet it or come close. They

636
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: won't have to do too much to meet those higher

637
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: standards because they're already over designing beyond what were the

638
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: requirements before. But the rest of the industry, if you

639
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: don't know by now, just from like our Pinto episode alone,

640
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: the auto industry is really lazy sometimes when it comes

641
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: to overdesigning UM. They will sometimes meet minimum requirements even

642
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Speaker 1: when they're exceeding minimum requirements. And this is a good

643
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Speaker 1: example of that because with the n h T S A,

644
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: when they're doing crash tests, they're basically just doing it

645
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: for fun. This is again not this is not law.

646
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Like you can get a one star rating from the

647
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: n h T A T S A and you're fine,

648
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: like it just looks bad to your consumer. But the

649
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: fact that it looks bad you're consumed humor means that

650
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: the automaker will scramble to try to get that five

651
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: star rating. But then they'll they'll hack it, they'll figure

652
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Speaker 1: it out, Like all we have to do is focus

653
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: on the whole front crumple zone. We don't have to

654
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: worry about the driver's side of the passenger side of

655
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Speaker 1: the bumper. We just have to worry about the whole

656
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Speaker 1: front because that's what the n h T s A

657
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Speaker 1: does when they're doing tests, and if we can meet

658
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Speaker 1: that standard, we'll get that five stars. Well, when the

659
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Speaker 1: n h T s A and the i h S

660
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: change their standards all of a sudden, the industry has

661
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: to scramble to catch up to become like that gold standard.

662
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: And they do it again and again and again to

663
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: keep safety getting better and better and better, and then

664
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Speaker 1: also finding new things that had been overlooked before to

665
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: make those parts of cars safer as well, which is

666
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I mean, like this is again, this is superfectly.

667
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: None of this is mandated. It's not mandatory. No one,

668
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: no car maker has to cement us. They actually don't

669
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: even have a choice because these agencies are going and

670
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: buying their own cars and crashing them. And there's nothing

671
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: legal about that, um, but they just the fact that

672
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Speaker 1: somebody's out there doing this, I think is just such

673
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: a great It's just a great example of people caring

674
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Speaker 1: about other people. Yeah, and you know, it's gotten to

675
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the point where if you have a newer car with

676
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: the air bags and such and safety standards and you

677
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Speaker 1: and you wear your seat belt. Um, there are outliers,

678
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: of course, with just these horrific car wrecks that do happen.

679
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: But if you're just talking about a standard, even bad

680
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: car crash, you are gonna fare pretty well these days

681
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: thanks to the work that all these people have done

682
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: over the years. Um, again, there are outliers, but uh,

683
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: they have made cars really, really incredibly safe. Um to

684
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: get into what I would just describe as sort of

685
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: a normal car wreck and not a fender bender, like

686
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, a carrect that even might look pretty gnarly,

687
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: and you see him on the road, you know, you

688
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: see two cars You're like, oh my gosh, and you

689
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: see people standing outside like giving the officer there you know,

690
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: the account of what happened, and you're just like, man,

691
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: there it is right there, Like those people are are

692
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: standing there talking to somebody, whereas you know, two decades

693
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: ago they were probably you know, maybe not even alive.

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Speaker 1: Which is just a testament to all the work they've done.

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Speaker 1: Um one way, they really need to ramp it up.

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't tell if they are actually even doing

697
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: this testing yet, but some of that stuff you sent

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Speaker 1: pointed out says that like there's still sort of crashing

699
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: similar cars into one another. Oh yeah, that's a big one,

700
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: and that's a big deal these days when you've got

701
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: these you know what happens when a suburban crashes into

702
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: a Honda Civic. Um, these are two very much mismatched cars,

703
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: not just in overall size, but bumper height is a

704
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: big deal, and these bumpers are made to hit one

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00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: another and then operate accordingly from there. If a bumper

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00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: is going over the other bumper, uh, we often happens

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00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: in these cases of a big suv or a big

708
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: truck compared to a smaller car. Uh. That this is

709
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: where you're going to see a lot of like kind

710
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: of bad injuries happening. And I don't know if they're

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00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: actually testing for that, if they're just talking about, like, hey,

712
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: what do we need to do to test the stuff

713
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: right exactly? UM. I don't know if they are yet either,

714
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: but they seem to be on the precipice, if not

715
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: another one. Um. Another criticism I've seen of both groups

716
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: is that they're they're testing these at thirty five miles

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00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: an hour forty miles an hour. Everybody's like, well, I'll

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00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: drive a heck of a lot faster than forty miles

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00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: an hour. What would my car doing sixty, you know,

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00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: or seventy or eighty something like that. Um, And that's

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00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: a that is a big criticism. The both agencies pushed

722
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: back and say, this is this is where most of

723
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: the accidents happen. I'm sure they're basing that in statistics,

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00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: and I would probably tend to say, okay, yes, but

725
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: what about the you know, maybe that's fifty one percent,

726
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: but what about the fort that is, you know, much

727
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: faster than that. And I think if they did start

728
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: crash testing at higher speeds, cars would be showing to

729
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: be kind of pitiful and in handling that, and maybe

730
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: automakers would start to scramble to catch up to that too. Well, yeah,

731
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: because they're kind of working on the assumption, which may

732
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: be correct, that most of these wrecks are happening in

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00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: like neighborhoods and not necessarily on the expressway. But what

734
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: about the guy who's driving sixty through the neighborhood. You know,

735
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: they're they're saying like this, this is assuming people are

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Speaker 1: driving the speed limit, which is not the case. And

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Speaker 1: we have a street very near my house that is, uh,

738
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a highway, but people drive like

739
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: it's a highway because it's really long and straight and

740
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: sort of runs between all these residential neighborhood streets, and

741
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, people go sixty seventy. It's just ridiculously. No, dude,

742
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: I've extra this like point where I've turned into an old,

743
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: middle aged and screamed, too fast in your neighborhood. Hellow

744
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: down somebody driving too asked it's it's man, and it

745
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: is very like I can't, I can't help it. I

746
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: can't not do it. Yeah, And I live um near

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00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: an intersection, and there's a curve in my street before

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00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: the intersection, so people will come around the curve and

749
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: if they see the lightest green, they will just hammer

750
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: it to try and make that light, and like all

751
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're going like literally like fifty miles

752
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: in front of my house, and I just, man, it

753
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: makes me so mad. Yeah, I'm with you. It's so

754
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: angry about that stuff. There's just no point because well

755
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: it's because it's you know, you know the deal. Sure,

756
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: people driving that fast to save what ends up being

757
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: thirty seconds to the stoplight. It's just when you outweigh

758
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: risks and what you're gaining, Like, even if you think

759
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: you're in a hurry, you're really not. In the end

760
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: getting there that much quicker, like a minute or two

761
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: isn't that big of a difference. And it's just it's

762
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: unnerming that people take that kind of risk just to

763
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: make a light. Nice. Nice, don't do it people. That's

764
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: my soapbox moment. Yeah, I think you just stay up

765
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 1: there on that soapbox, buddy. That is a big one.

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00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: Can I come down to P No, you've made your bed,

767
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: now you have to stand in it. P in it?

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00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: You got anything else? I got nothing else. I got

769
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Speaker 1: one more thing. One of the reasons why I also

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00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: love the I h S is the highest possible rating

771
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: you could get from them is just good, yeah, poor,

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00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: marginal acceptable, and then good? How do we do good? Nothing?

773
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: Nothing better, no exclamation points, no comfetti. Uh. Well, since

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00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: Chuck and I both said good, that means, of course,

775
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: everybody's time for a listener mail. Uh. This is from

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Speaker 1: our Trepid Nation episode, which just dropped today in real time.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I was listening to the episode on tree panning,

778
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: and I feel like I am such adult. I literally

779
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: had never thought of craniotomies? Is the modern version of

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00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: uh tree penning? Treppening? What did we end up with

781
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: tree panning? I don't know. Trip tree painting doesn't sound

782
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: familiar trip panning, even though I knew about the ancient practice.

783
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: This is really funny because I had a craniotomy. I

784
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: have a Chiari malformation syndrome. I have kilary. I think

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00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: it's c H I a r I, and I bet

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Speaker 1: you it's not Ri. You gotta say it like an

787
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: Italian person. Chi malformation syndrome, and part of decompression surgery

788
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: was a crany craniotomy. This totally computes with the idea

789
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: of ancient people using trip panning to relieve chronic headaches.

790
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: Since one of Ki's main symptoms is terrible, terrible, constant headaches.

791
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: Something else you said in the episode helped me make

792
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: sense of something my neurosurgeon said too. When discussing the

793
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: diagnosis and what the decompression surgery would achieve, he briefly

794
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: said that some people think of surgery actually can help

795
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: cure depression, even though there's no evidence. I had never

796
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: heard of that and certainly wasn't looking for that for

797
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: that case. Myself just wanted to stop falling over. But

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00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: you mentioned in the episode that there were a lot

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00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: of internet rumors that trepanning can help with depression, So

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00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: now I know why he said that. Anyway, there's a

801
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: fun I've said listen to and kind of see myself in.

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00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: So thanks for that. Keep up the good stuff that

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00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: is from Amanda. Awesome, Amanda. I'm really glad we could

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00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: kind of connect the pieces for you. Yeah, and I

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00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: hope you're doing well. Yeah, me too. I hope you're

806
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: not following over any longer and you don't have headaches. Agreed.

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Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with us, like

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Speaker 1: Amanda did, then you can send us an email to

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