WEBVTT -  Daredevil: Born Again S2E08: "The Southern Cross"

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<v Speaker 1>Warning today's episode Kittain's spoilers for Daredevil Born Again the

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<v Speaker 1>January sixth finale.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I's never gonna watch ja.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, it is Jason up and I'm Rosie Night And

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the extra vision of the podcast. When we

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<v Speaker 1>dive deep in, you're very Roe's movies, comics of popcornk

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<v Speaker 1>and company. Remind our podcast we're the episodes of West News.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's episode, we are recapping episode two. Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 3>it is the finale. It is the Dead Devil January

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<v Speaker 3>sixth episode as it will surely forever be known.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course then we will be discussing.

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<v Speaker 3>The episode and this season and what it means for

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<v Speaker 3>the MCU and where we think it's going to go

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<v Speaker 3>and all that good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But first we got to get into it. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>to be recapping.

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<v Speaker 1>Darnovil Born Again the finale. Karen and Matt in a flashback,

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<v Speaker 1>walking around the streets, walking around the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>Having a good time. Beta days. It's better days.

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<v Speaker 1>They're enjoying it. They're enjoying the streets of it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is it?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's got to be Hell's kitchen, Although it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like they never leave. Yeah, Karen is still on trial,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, and mcdushy, she's just.

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<v Speaker 3>Like maladaptive daydreaming her way through the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Rea, this is associating. Yeah, she's like, what if I's

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<v Speaker 2>just on a date with Matt now and not being

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<v Speaker 2>tried for.

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<v Speaker 1>Being a bit Indian food and then and then I

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<v Speaker 1>just kill someone and then we have sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's like her dream day.

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<v Speaker 1>McDuffie's waiting for map but he's late for court because

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<v Speaker 1>he recently got shot. Oh okay, and now we can

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<v Speaker 1>say Jones is patching up his legs.

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<v Speaker 2>No night nurse.

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<v Speaker 3>If they were going to pull out a clare, it

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<v Speaker 3>would have been here, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, all good. We love to see

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica Jones. Glad she's still here.

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<v Speaker 3>We had to wait a long time, but she's doing

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<v Speaker 3>great and of course she can patch up a leg.

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Jones wants to know if Matt can stop Fisk,

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<v Speaker 1>if he's gonna do it, if he you know, can

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<v Speaker 1>you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>And Matt is like, well, I know Fisk is waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to get me in his sights, and so there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a showdown. Buck goes to see the Mayor and

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<v Speaker 1>he tells him that sadly, not only did Dan not

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<v Speaker 1>deliver up Bebee, but and then he gives them this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like very charged buck face look, and Fisk

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<v Speaker 1>knows that Dan is no more. Fisk is disappointed in

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<v Speaker 1>Dan not having the juice, and he's just pointed that

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<v Speaker 1>Matt is still alive, and so Fisk is like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to escalate.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, just the time to escalate everything else, everything,

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<v Speaker 3>It's time.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta say, first of all, I there was some

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<v Speaker 3>reporting this week, guys about how our sweet baby Dan

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<v Speaker 3>on his Good Boy Redemption arc actually survived originally, and

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<v Speaker 3>they had even started working on some scenes for him

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<v Speaker 3>in season three, but then in post production it was

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<v Speaker 3>revealed that he was dead. I needed to bring this

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<v Speaker 3>up because in my head canon, this scene is still

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<v Speaker 3>the same in both versions, but what happened was in

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<v Speaker 3>the other version Buck couldn't kill him because of that connection,

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<v Speaker 3>and he has him hidden away in a cabin somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>and he's gonna like sort of evily torture him into

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<v Speaker 3>becoming a guy, and BB has to save him, like

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<v Speaker 3>he's gonna become a made man. But yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>my head canon. Sadly he died, rip to my guy.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's nice to know that they understood that they

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<v Speaker 3>had something special with Michael and this character.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Limpson to court this matter is as Heather, his

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<v Speaker 1>former girlfriend, is testifying. Uh, he immediately because he has

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<v Speaker 1>superhero This is the subtext.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's like not they do his powers in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that we have talked about this in the discorder

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<v Speaker 2>long it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a little bit to really let you know that

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<v Speaker 1>he's using them, because he comes in and immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like object John just walked in. How does he

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<v Speaker 2>know that? Because he can fucking hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>He had down in the fuck exactly and he was

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<v Speaker 3>planning his low.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a bit of a cheat in that way. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna lie like he just rolls up late to.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff, doesn't have to objectis fucking overhearing people.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, it's had the Glennen. She's crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's okay, So they need to they do.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like they do need to kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>underline his powers sometime. Anyway, he staggers in, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was recently shot by the task force, but he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't talk about that. Hawkmann gets Heather to read and

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<v Speaker 1>this is crazy, this is evidence. He gets her to

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<v Speaker 1>read from her like in Psychoanalysis of Vigilantes book, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like, we're gonna read that into evidence, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just promotion for her book. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna lieh twenty twenty six coded, I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 2>The fuck is this QBC?

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<v Speaker 3>It's life course And they're like, this is how you

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<v Speaker 3>sell the book. Click caff at twenty percent off.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he's like, okay, no further questions. Then McDuffie

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<v Speaker 1>asks Heather if is it true that you struck Karen Page,

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<v Speaker 1>and Heather, because in my mind she's possessed by the

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<v Speaker 1>spirit of MWS, denies it and is telling the truth

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't her because it was the spirit of news.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 1>He's had the glutton Defender, Matt asks car and Matt

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<v Speaker 1>asks if Karen could be a vigilante if she never

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<v Speaker 1>wore a mask?

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<v Speaker 2>An interesting question.

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<v Speaker 1>And Heather is like, well she hid behind Daredevil and

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<v Speaker 1>Matn is like, well, you're hiding behind Fisk. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>stay of course because crazy. Yeah, Like, come on, a

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<v Speaker 1>task Force guy sets up is setting up a sniper

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<v Speaker 1>rifle across from the court, say, aiming right at the steps.

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<v Speaker 1>This is, by the way, how they killed Captain America

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<v Speaker 1>in the comics right after the Civil War. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole sniper's nest up there with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of task force guys and he's also dressed as Bullseye sniper.

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<v Speaker 2>How dang you stolen vala of my son?

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<v Speaker 1>How dare But so, what is the plan? He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do it and then like jump out the window and

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<v Speaker 1>be like it's me Bullseye and then run away.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything to witness this.

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<v Speaker 3>He hasn't thought this through and he doesn't realize he's

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<v Speaker 3>like the first Joker in the Joker Planet the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>of the Dark Knight returns.

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<v Speaker 2>He is like, the task Force guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Are obviously going to shoot him and then be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we caught Bullseye. He killed he tried to shoot Matt Murdock,

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<v Speaker 3>Like he's getting sacrificed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's just dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's also not Deck, so let's be real this

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<v Speaker 3>the real Deck finds out, he's not gonna be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Matt calls Wilson Fisk.

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<v Speaker 2>These two stand Fisk appears.

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<v Speaker 1>The task force files into the courtroom behind Fisk, very

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<v Speaker 1>intimidating scene. Fisk is, I'm grateful for the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Save the Streets.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's been very, very beneficial.

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<v Speaker 3>I would also say, guys, if this was scary to you,

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<v Speaker 3>look it up and see that this is once again

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<v Speaker 3>based on a real life thing. I know that everything

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<v Speaker 3>is catching up with itself, but this is a real

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<v Speaker 3>thing that certain groups of people do when other parts

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<v Speaker 3>of their groups are put on trial for things.

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<v Speaker 1>Cops do they the time they show up when a

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<v Speaker 1>when someone who is at least in New York, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what they do when someone's charged with like shooting

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<v Speaker 1>a cop. When they do the purp walk like into

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<v Speaker 1>the into the precinct house to like charge them or

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<v Speaker 1>take them to and from court, there's always like five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred cops on either side just there staring. Meanwhile, Dex

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<v Speaker 1>is up in the sniper's nest and he's taking these

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<v Speaker 1>guys out.

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<v Speaker 2>I told you he's not gonna be happy as flattery, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>not flattery.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes to the sniper's rifle and he's preparing to

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<v Speaker 1>take a shot at someone. Fisk says, savor streets was necessary,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is where it gets really personal, because of

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<v Speaker 1>the deaths of number one, Foggy, your friend who died

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<v Speaker 1>because of vigilant mask vigilante violence. Kind of true, true,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think we're cherry picking our evidence here.

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<v Speaker 2>And also Vanessa my wise outside.

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<v Speaker 3>Yesterday Wilson fisks, so that has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 3>any event, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The dozens of victims of Muse who the police was

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<v Speaker 1>unable to stop for a long after run of muses killing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's literally like draining people's blood in the sUAS.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why Karen needs to go away, Fisk says, And

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<v Speaker 1>by and by the way, that doesn't even make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even understand how that lines up. Anyway, Fisk says,

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<v Speaker 1>the streets are safer now, and go look at the stats.

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<v Speaker 2>They back me up.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt tries to talk about the task force kidnapping people

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<v Speaker 1>off the street, random people, regular people. Matt points out

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<v Speaker 1>that despite safer streets, Dexter who once worked for you,

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<v Speaker 1>is that not true? Mayor Fisk publicly killed his wife

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<v Speaker 1>and did he not kill her with a crystal Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>fisks memorial Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Arapith. Not enough is being made of that, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So Matt asks Fisk to define the difference between a

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<v Speaker 1>vigilante and a villain, and this is this is also

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<v Speaker 1>not evidence, this is but whatever. This is a crazy

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<v Speaker 1>courtroom scene. Matt brings up the Northern Star, that all

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<v Speaker 1>the guns on the Northern Star and the freeport charter,

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<v Speaker 1>which says that there's.

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<v Speaker 2>No laws there.

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<v Speaker 1>He of course, is not able to enter this into

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<v Speaker 1>evidence because this whole tribunal is fucking rigged and the

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<v Speaker 1>objection objection, objection, and the judges are letting them get

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<v Speaker 1>away with it. Matt then asks if it was Daredevil

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<v Speaker 1>that sunk the Northern Star.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Daredevil says, this whole court is out of order,

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<v Speaker 1>rigged by people who worked for you, And then Matt

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<v Speaker 1>puts Christophe's testimony by video into the evidence objection. They

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<v Speaker 1>go to chambers. Fisk whispers that he's ready to ruin

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<v Speaker 1>Matt's life, sitting you know, like still on the stand,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like whispering because I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Life, I'm gonna fuck you up.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of it's kind of again, very horny moments

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<v Speaker 3>like very queid, fucking ruin you. I'm gonna kill you,

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<v Speaker 3>kill you, motherfucker, I'm gonna ruin your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt is able to basically.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge, the one judge is like, I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>got I led it into evidence, like I'm being as crooked.

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<v Speaker 2>As like, and so they put it in an evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>In the tape, Christoph says that Fisk ordered him to

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<v Speaker 1>scuddle the ship. Uh oh, Now Hawkman is panicking. He

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<v Speaker 1>objects and says that unless someone who was on the

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<v Speaker 1>boat testifies in court, it doesn't count.

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<v Speaker 2>Boom, the governor walks into court. She's still alive. What

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<v Speaker 2>Fisk is like? Uh oh? Buckets failed me for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt then asked Fisk about the weapons and the scuttling

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<v Speaker 1>of the boat, and Fisk does a hold, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>handle the truth type of thing. You don't get to

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<v Speaker 1>know about the port and by the way, the city

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<v Speaker 1>is thriving.

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<v Speaker 2>How dare you questioned me?

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<v Speaker 1>Matt says, Daredevil was on the boat and guess what

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<v Speaker 1>dared Evil's gonna testify to the guns Canny Fisk and Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>Karen's jaw is like sitting with her lawyer and mcduvey.

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<v Speaker 1>Karen's jaw drops and her.

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<v Speaker 2>Eyes go wide. She's like, oh my god, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do it, and he doesn't, idiot, and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Goes Daredevil, buy your own testimony was on that boat

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<v Speaker 1>and by Christoph's testimony, and he can't testify to what

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<v Speaker 1>happened here, as aj as a toorney, gentlemen, Hawkman said,

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<v Speaker 1>is the only way to get this evidence in and

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<v Speaker 1>he can't testify to that right now because I am

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<v Speaker 1>Daredevil and you fucking know that shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Fisc is so stressed, he's so so.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're like the first reaction is a gasp, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the next reaction is like, okay, mister, mister fucking

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<v Speaker 1>blind the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Blind guy, you can't get me a break.

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<v Speaker 1>So then he takes his cane and he takes a

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Club attachment off, flinging around the room.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes like, pinging around.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I just say if I'm if I'm mcduffy, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>standing up right now. This is a mistrial, Like what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on? Just let my client go?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a Shitnanigans like, boys, fucking is that fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>New York's got talent? Go away like this is a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking cob lor.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to a break.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge finally feeling like there's gonna be a story

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<v Speaker 1>in this courtroom drama that's not gonna be about me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have the opening now and the secure a

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<v Speaker 1>ready to like get this off my plate, goes Karen

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<v Speaker 1>Pages with prejudice goodbye.

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<v Speaker 3>No dude, we have to talk about I pointed out

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<v Speaker 3>as well, like we have to talk about one of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Funniest moments where where Pale's like, oh shit, the blood

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<v Speaker 2>Lily is dead evil.

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<v Speaker 4>And he looks like really happy, but then you're like

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<v Speaker 4>and then everyone in the discorded, like you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>then he's pointing out as we like, why is Powell

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<v Speaker 4>always so surprised, Like didn't Matt beat his fucking ass

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<v Speaker 4>in the apartment in season one?

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<v Speaker 2>Like why are you surprised? Burn? Like you should have

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<v Speaker 2>been the one who got to he's dumb, you know, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe his ass got maybe he got his bell got

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<v Speaker 1>so rung in that moment, like it's like a football hits,

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<v Speaker 1>like there were he doesn't know, he doesn't like really

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<v Speaker 1>remember what happened because he got so fucking concussed during

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<v Speaker 1>that anyway. The judge is like, mad, I'd like you

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<v Speaker 1>to stay behind.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>The governor says that. The announces to the press at

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<v Speaker 1>the Attorney General. The state attorney General is filing charges

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<v Speaker 1>against Fisk. His assets, all his assets have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Frozen, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The state is taking control of the freeport. That's it,

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<v Speaker 1>no lawless pirate ports.

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<v Speaker 2>They were so fun though. They were so fun. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that you sent to kill me is going

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<v Speaker 2>to testify. Uh uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Fisk and Matt walk out of court together. Dex is

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<v Speaker 1>up in the snipersest he's ready to shoot. Bullseye shoots

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<v Speaker 1>bucking the guts and there's a big, big shootout from

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<v Speaker 1>there on.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he do that because he like didn't really care

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<v Speaker 3>if he got him or not, Like, was he just

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<v Speaker 3>shooting for fun?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like bulls ain't never misses, this seems I

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<v Speaker 2>think he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just like I think this was Matt's plan,

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<v Speaker 1>because remember Matt was like, you can help me, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can't kill even though.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I like this is his moral this is my son's

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<v Speaker 3>good borrow compass coming through.

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<v Speaker 2>He's trying to walk out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like you can help me, but you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>You just can't kill. So he gut shots buck. Buck

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<v Speaker 1>is off the board. Big shootout. Now there's chaos in

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<v Speaker 1>the court. People have to retreat back in the building

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<v Speaker 1>for safety. Fisk in his inner circle hold up in

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom with the Task Force standing guard, like outside

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<v Speaker 1>the room and outside the building. Matt is up in

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<v Speaker 1>the judges chambers. Fisk then, because the press is there,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, He's like, I'm gonna address the city. He

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<v Speaker 1>addresses the city from the courtroom. He says, there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a attack. I'm declared a state of emergency. The vigilangy

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<v Speaker 1>lovers are gathering to take this city from us.

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<v Speaker 2>I will not leave office.

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<v Speaker 1>And he promises like he's not gonna step down. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we get a mayor kingpin mask broadcast. It's Babie, but

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<v Speaker 1>she does it in her own voice this time, and

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<v Speaker 1>she talks about the task Force, how they're doing all

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<v Speaker 1>these crimes, kid having people, killing people, extra judicial murders,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Accuses Fisk publicly of killing.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel or ordering the trey killing of her good friend Daniel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time to take the city back, she says.

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<v Speaker 1>The people of the city who are pro Dared Devil

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<v Speaker 1>rise up. They're wearing their Dared Devil masks.

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<v Speaker 2>D Devil January six. It's top. This is a well

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<v Speaker 2>the masks thing is a comic book. That's a big

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<v Speaker 2>comic book thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They all go to the courthouse along with the gen

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<v Speaker 1>X Cops, the gen X good cops you know, playing

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<v Speaker 1>Pearl jam and Neirvanda on the way, exactly like Fisk

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<v Speaker 1>tells the task Force, if you see Karen Page and Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>you shoot to kill. I don't give a fuck. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking gun them down. Yeah, don't let them leave

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<v Speaker 1>the building. The task Force is getting nervous because, like people, really,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a huge crowd outside. But they but they hold

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<v Speaker 1>the line. They go to get Matt and carried up

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<v Speaker 1>in the judges uh chambers. There's a big, big fight. McDuffie,

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Page and the Governor stay inside and Karen can

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<v Speaker 1>get out there and she can get active, but she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to, while Daredevil and Jessica Jones and her

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<v Speaker 1>Fritzy Powers go out there to fight and they're throwing

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<v Speaker 1>guys all around with all the Devil supporters outside meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>including Angela.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, our favorite tiny murderer. What's she up to? How

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<v Speaker 2>many people did she kill tonight? Let's not count on.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry tries to get the task forced to surrender. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, guys, like.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>If it's crazy, what do ye?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The Attorney General calls Fisk to basically be like, what

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck are you doing? Fisk just click hangs up. Powell, meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>is going full Captain ahab out.

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<v Speaker 2>On the deck of this. He's fucking mutiny on the bounty.

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<v Speaker 2>He's losing it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, kill them all and dredge their blood, fucking

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<v Speaker 1>on the streets, fucking blow their brains out. Finally, his

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<v Speaker 1>second in command, Scarred Cop, comes to his senses for once,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, that's not good enough. I still

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<v Speaker 1>want him up on charge.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's call it, but.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll take this under advisement when you do go a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit to trial, but regardless, you've committed a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of crimes. Whatever. He does, knock out Powell, and everything

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's gonna be kind of diffused or better.

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<v Speaker 1>But then all the pro Daredevil people charge into the

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<v Speaker 1>courthouse and it's Daredevil January sixth.

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<v Speaker 2>It's happening the.

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<v Speaker 3>Way to end this season of this show, like just

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<v Speaker 3>an insane time to be alive. Also, have you been

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<v Speaker 3>wondering why Heather was practicing that gripple season, Well, you

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<v Speaker 3>know you're about to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>She's ready.

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<v Speaker 1>She gets Attorney General Hawkman is, as as we've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>has been very weird towards Heather.

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<v Speaker 2>He deserves everything he gets.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's very sexual harassment, fee coated the way.

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<v Speaker 2>He speaks to her.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally she is just like lets the spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of muse flow through her, and she fucking crushes his

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<v Speaker 1>wind pipe and then takes the super takes his jacket off,

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<v Speaker 1>his his his steadily stiffening and cooling corpse, and puts

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<v Speaker 1>it around Buck her book.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where that's true love, Guys. I don't care whatever

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<v Speaker 2>happens next. I'm rooting for these two.

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy It's like everything's going to ship, guys, at least these.

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<v Speaker 1>Two psychopaths fout Heather and Buck.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of like it. Do that best anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Sheila, you know, deputy mayor or deputy you know, chief

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<v Speaker 1>of staff whatever, gets a call and it's the AG,

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<v Speaker 1>and the AG is like, listen, when Fisk resigns and

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<v Speaker 1>leaves the city, we can make this all go away,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what we want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if he leaves, if he goes boom, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fisk goes on, it goes to exile, okay, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be The implication is like a general amnesty for

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<v Speaker 1>Sheila will be fine. Dan, who nobody knows is dead,

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<v Speaker 1>is well, they know he's dead now, but like they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, pizza, that man, you don't drama. Everybody will

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<v Speaker 1>be fine, Buck, I guess they'll be fine. Fisk orders

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom doors open and all the daredevil January six

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<v Speaker 1>ers start coming in and Fisk starts beating.

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<v Speaker 2>The shit out of them.

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<v Speaker 1>He kills like twenty people with his bare hands, and

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<v Speaker 1>the wady dude.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so crazy because also this is.

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<v Speaker 3>My man saying like I'm out, like no public office

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<v Speaker 3>for me, Like I'm just gonna fucking cave a few

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<v Speaker 3>people's heads in with my hands and break their best

0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:12.720
<v Speaker 3>energy them over throwing off the second floor, like lots

0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:18.359
<v Speaker 3>of suplexing, lots of fane breaking Batman full head like

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<v Speaker 3>being bashed into the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like insane. How many people he kills with

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<v Speaker 1>his bare hands. Crazy and I have to say shouts

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<v Speaker 1>to the courageousness of the Daredevil January Sixers because they

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<v Speaker 1>never stopped.

0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.600
<v Speaker 2>They never stopped, They just went for it. They were best.

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<v Speaker 1>So like a dozen of their compatriots get turned into

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<v Speaker 1>apple sauce and they're still like, let's try and get

0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:49.160
<v Speaker 1>this guy. Meanwhile, Crazy Jessica Jones, Daredevil, and that little

0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:52.840
<v Speaker 1>white Tiger are fighting from the other side of the building,

0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 1>but a little like tiger throwing people around. Daredevil and

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 1>his January Sixers now face down Fisk and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>big showdown on the steps and the and the interior

0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:09.240
<v Speaker 1>like lobby of the courthouse. Oh yeah, And Jessica Jones

0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.400
<v Speaker 1>and Daredevil are fighting our way up to Fisk where

0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:15.880
<v Speaker 1>he's like up there like crushing skulls and they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get the mob to get away from Fisk. And

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.239
<v Speaker 1>then Matt, of course, mister fucking when they go low

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<v Speaker 1>we go, Hi is like stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're better than this. I'm like, Matt, We're not. We

0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:29.399
<v Speaker 2>are not better than this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is so funny to me as well, because this

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.879
<v Speaker 3>is this whole sequence is like so Mamdani Trump Codd

0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 3>nowadays too.

0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, what the fuck? How is this so

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<v Speaker 2>relatable to real life? This is so insane.

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.640
<v Speaker 1>So Matt says, listen, it's over for both.

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<v Speaker 2>Of us to Fisk. But you know what's the one

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 2>thing that pulls us together. We love New.

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 1>York love, we love the city, we love the China

0:23:54.119 --> 0:24:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Town dog. And he's like, take the deal. Fisk, Like, well,

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.120
<v Speaker 1>let's just both leave town and that's it. We can

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:08.120
<v Speaker 1>give the city what it needs, peace and fiscals. Like, okay,

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you're right, crazy, like just still people.

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Actually, He's like, wait, you had a friend in a

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<v Speaker 2>blood frenzy.

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 4>Maybe like that is that might be why he accepted

0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 4>gild escaped Chip.

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.399
<v Speaker 2>And then I'm like, you know what, You're right, let's

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 2>just bye God to me. Bye Gods.

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:31.920
<v Speaker 3>So, actually, like an amnesty sounds pretty good. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying anything I've.

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<v Speaker 4>Done doesn't count pirate chata illegally, you know, gun running,

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:40.960
<v Speaker 4>killing twenty civilians.

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<v Speaker 2>Just now, I'm okay to just go and like be

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.399
<v Speaker 2>your next ol. I'm cool with that. Okay, Yeah, pretty

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:46.400
<v Speaker 2>smart move on his pop.

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 1>We returned to the kind of idyllic scenes of Karen's disassociation.

0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:56.920
<v Speaker 1>When after sometime after unclear how long after the Daredevil

0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:01.359
<v Speaker 1>January sixth riot and the deaths of twenty citizens of

0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 1>New York and others, Karen Page and Man are having

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 1>dinner at the Indian restaurant and they're both like so

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>relieved it's over. They get to live a normal life now,

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 1>even though everybody knows he's Daredevil and just you know whatever,

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 1>do court cases and like have sex. But then they're

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 1>sirens coming from outside, and of course he has heard

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>them since they left the station late.

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 2>He's heard them far. He knew they were coming. This

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 2>was his last night lost supper.

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Trying to ignore it, you know, maybe get in a

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.719
<v Speaker 1>little smooch, little little cuddling before they've fucking come. But

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 1>it's too late. They're here, and Matt is arrested for

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the crimes of Daredevil, and they're like a montage.

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>I actually hadn't.

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.399
<v Speaker 3>Thought about that, And it's quite a smart twist to

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:48.919
<v Speaker 3>put him off the table, because you'd been predicting like

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 3>one or either of them would be like one or both,

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 3>you'd be off the table. Very interesting to see that

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 3>exactly where we end off, but in an unexpected way.

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I agree, and I do think I wonder if they're

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:03.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna go with well, I'll let me say everything. Yea,

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:10.880
<v Speaker 1>we get him on touch Luke Cage, I come home

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:11.480
<v Speaker 1>hugs his.

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Daughter had to talk about that, I know, how fun.

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, very clear that Mike. This was

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the last second thing. And Mike didn't get to work

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 1>out for you.

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 2>He didn't get to bow up.

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>They didn't get to buck up. They just have him

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 1>in layers and layers of like hoodies.

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>This is like evil. He's still an evil Frame, not

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Luke Cage. Frame.

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.119
<v Speaker 1>BB gets some of Ben's stuff from the Bugle, like

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 1>his old articles, a box of his old stuff, which

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>is by the way, Ben, You're like, why didn't he

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 1>why didn't we give this stuff to BB?

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Before?

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Luke is you know, Jessica Jones is like where you've been?

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 1>And Luke is like, you know, he can't say he's

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 1>like doing black jobs in Syria.

0:26:58.200 --> 0:26:59.400
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to know what he was doing.

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 1>So he's like, I can't talk about it, but let's

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.439
<v Speaker 1>just say work was different over there, which kind of

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>means like I've been assassinating.

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's been horribly assassinating people to destabilize other countries.

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I've been I've been just like doing murders for the government.

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 2>And then he says they.

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Found someone else like I would. Basically, I resigned and

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:23.640
<v Speaker 1>they found somebody else to take my place, and that

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:24.679
<v Speaker 1>person is Dex.

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I love this twist so much because one, I'm sorry,

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna lie. Whatever issues you have with Luke

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Cage or whatever, He's not really like he's a hero fire.

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 2>He's not so much like a killer fire. He does

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 2>kill people, but.

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 3>Like I just don't I think Dex is a better

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 3>fit basically as well.

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I agree, somebody who loves to.

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:48.640
<v Speaker 3>And he can kill for a good reason, just put

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 3>him on a mission he needs like a hyperfixation, you know.

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>And loves to kill. But my only thing is that

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 1>if Dex is the replacement, that really does mean Luke's

0:27:58.800 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 1>been killing That's.

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.919
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying. How many that's horrific?

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 4>Like to think when they said, oh they found someone new,

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 4>I was like, okay, But mister Charles and Dex is

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.880
<v Speaker 4>like a powerful combination together, so I'm interested to see

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 4>what happens there.

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 1>JJ and Luke embrace, but we know they have a

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 1>it's a complicated relationship. Matt goes to jail, oh and

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>he sees all the fucking task Force bitches. This is,

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>by the way, not the first I love Matt in jail.

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Me too. We love it. He's always doing great. I

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>love love.

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:32.120
<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite bits of any street level New

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>York centric vigilante superhero, whether it's to Punisher, Daredevil, or

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>spider Man, is when.

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 2>They go to jail.

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I love when yeah, Heather officially becomes mused too off

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the mask on everything I know.

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, whether there's ruby earrings, babe, dress it up

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 3>a bit, come on.

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>And then we see Kingpin in a peacoat a beautiful

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>coat on the beach somewhere, and I think, like in

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:58.479
<v Speaker 1>the comics, it's gonna be like southern Italy.

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, someone for sure. I think you're right.

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to a break and we'll be back.

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 2>And we're back. We're okay.

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>We were right about a lot of things. Our death,

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 1>our death to no eron today sadly, but our death

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>list I think was mostly correct. Yes, well, I'm very

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>sad to see Powell survive, unless he died a brave lead.

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>From that of the block. Wish sadly, I think Powell.

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 3>I think I was probably right from when we recorded

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 3>the last episode, which is I think that Powell is

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 3>probably gonna have to get killed by Frank or Karen.

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I think that would be it has to be like

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 3>a full circle. But I also like your idea that

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 3>he could become a villain because, as we can see clearly,

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:55.240
<v Speaker 3>this leaves us with.

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 2>A power vacuum in New York's crime scene. I'm also

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 2>interested to see whether they're going.

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 3>To try and keep it street level for the next season,

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 3>or if they are going to try and up the

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 3>stakes and add another higher level villain, because if you

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 3>think about it, like muse, yeah, I'm sure we'll see

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 3>her popping around.

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she'll be up to something, but we're.

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Not in a situation where the MCU is gonna make

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 3>her the full antagonist of the third.

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Season, you know.

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 3>So I think we really need to know what's going

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 3>to go there to be able to work out, because

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 3>otherwise there's not that many loose ends. They've done quite

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 3>a good job of tying them up this season. So

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm interested to kind of see where we go next.

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:41.719
<v Speaker 3>But this is a very fun and crazy and silly finale,

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 3>and I love that in the end it was just

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 3>Matt and Wilson agreeing, which is so much of this show. Actually,

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 3>it's like them having a little secret meeting and it's like, guys,

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 3>just go to couples therapy, like you would save the

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 3>city billions in damages, Like, come on.

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's gonna be the toll is going to

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>be insane. Okay, So let's talk about where we end up.

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Matt is under arrest and everybody knows that his about

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>his secret life is Dared Double or do they What

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>do you think.

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>The plot for season three will be?

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I have I'm on record as predicting that I think

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>they'll do some version of Iron Fist or somebody as

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Dared Devil in order to like have Matt. I guess

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Matt will just say that I lie under oath or

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 1>certainly are line at Cornet.

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it wasn't really me. I just needed to get

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>him put in prison. Yeah, what do you think is

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen? I do so. I think they're gonna have

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 2>him live with it.

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that from what we saw, they're probably gonna

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 3>have the Task Force try and kill him in prison

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 3>or something. I think we're gonna get some sick prison fights.

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 3>We've gotten a couple of those quite legendarily.

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I think this gives us.

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 3>A chance to follow other characters, which I don't know

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 3>if people will love, but I do think that as

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 3>seeing as we're about to have, you know, punishat Spider

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Man and I had always talked about the fact that

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 3>there is a chance with Spider.

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Man and the Hand and everything that that could connect.

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.760
<v Speaker 3>And Ian had a really good thought, which was that

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 3>because we know the Hand are going to be in

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Spider Man, maybe they are going to be in season three,

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 3>but we could see something like Spider Man trying to

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 3>break Matt out of prison or something like that, and

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 3>maybe we start to get those crossovers coming that other

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 3>way too.

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I think that we're in a really interesting situation because.

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 3>The reality is that they've been so successful, in my opinion,

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 3>at translating the ground level, street level stuff, that they

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 3>could keep doing it. But I think that because we

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 3>know the rest of the Defenders are going to come back,

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 3>we know that that's been leaked, we've seen that Luke

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 3>is back. At the end of this, I do think

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 3>that we're going to be looking at a sort of

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 3>like hero Less rodderlus New York Hell's Kitchen where the

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 3>defenders have to come back together because Matt's in jail.

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 3>And then what I want to know is why I

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 3>feel like they can't do fullhand for season three Dead Evil.

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 3>It's been done too much in the Netflix stuff. So again,

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 3>for me, it's all about that big bad. Is it

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 3>gonna be someone under Wilson's command, Is it gonna be Valentina,

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 3>Is it gonna be someone directly connected to the comics, Is.

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 2>It gonna be a different Dead Levilville? And obviously we

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>know I like the weirdest stuff like type with.

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Mary and stuff like that, but I just feel like

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 3>when we see Spider Man brand new day, we're gonna

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 3>have a better idea. Though I do think as long

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 3>as they keep Karen and Frank at the forefront, people

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 3>won't miss Matt too much until probably like halfway through

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 3>the season. That's kind of what I feel like we're

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 3>gonna be at is like him in jail for probably

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 3>half the season, and then the rest of the New

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.239
<v Speaker 3>York kind of dealing with him being in jail and

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 3>what that.

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Means for the city, and then whatever Wilson's planning.

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I love that now, Wilson. When this happened in the comics,

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>we got a kind of a plot B plot Matt

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 1>dealing with his secret identity being out on the street,

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and then Wilson being dealing with being out of power.

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 1>He does like the classic, you know, Frankenstein in the

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>village thing where he falls in love with a woman,

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>but of course, like his old enemies catch up with

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.879
<v Speaker 1>him and kill her and then he has to go.

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 1>He does like a like a.

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Skyfall style like kill all the assassins who come to

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 2>kill me type thing, and then he decides to take

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:33.479
<v Speaker 2>the power back.

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>How involved do you think Wilson's going to be? I

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 1>think that they will probably do something like that where

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>we really delve into like who is the Kingpin? How

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 1>did he become who he is? Will get like his

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 1>abusive upbringing, and then we'll kind of it'll be like

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a redemption arc sort of, but

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>it'll be the Kingpin deciding to return to New York

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.319
<v Speaker 1>like truly as what he always should have been, which

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 1>is kingpin of crime.

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:01.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 3>I really like that if you think about what's been

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 3>working Impressedige superhero shows recently. Think about the Penguin even

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 3>outside of superheroes, right, think about like white Lotus, this

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 3>kind of lavish, how the other side lives machinations. I

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 3>think about how powerful the episode of the Penguin is.

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:20.799
<v Speaker 2>I think it was.

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 3>Episode four where we see Sophia really get her like

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 3>revenge on the family and take over on the family,

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 3>and it's one of.

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 2>The coolest, like craziest sequences.

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 3>I feel like if I watch something like that, I'd

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 3>be like, and I was working on this show, I'd

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 3>be like, Yeah, I want to do Wilson Fisk as

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 3>the Godfather. I want to do Wilson Fisk in a

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 3>massive Venetian mansion ordering people about falling in love and yeah,

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 3>like you said, then you know, once again choosing to

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 3>go back and sort of learning, like taking what he's

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 3>learned with him back to New York to take on

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 3>that roll as the kingpin of crime, which can then

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:56.399
<v Speaker 3>allow him to be like he is in the.

0:35:56.320 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Comics, a sometime ally sometime antagonist. One more, and then

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about some of the reactions to this season.

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I what do you think happens with those crazy kids

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>bucking Heather? I think they become a I think they

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>become a psycho sexual vigilante duo like crime. I don't

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>think Heather as music will be a psycho psychotic killer.

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>You don't think she's yelling anyone in the same way

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>that I think she will kill bad guys. I think

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>she'll be like a bad guy killer and a like

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>an a an abuser, domestic abuser killer. Like that's how

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.359
<v Speaker 1>she's going to be like that, Yeah, kind of like.

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 2>With Buck is like her.

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Her like physical muse, you know, like the reason she

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't maybe like he gets involved something.

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 3>You can help out clean up. You know, he's good

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 3>at that kind of side of things too. I absolutely

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 3>love that idea. Also, again, I do like the idea

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 3>of Wilson and Matt being out of the picture for

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 3>a little bit, giving us time to explore, like what

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 3>happens with beebe, Like is she gonna be working as

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 3>a real journalist?

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>How does she survive?

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Is Wilson going to try and take her down, seeing

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 3>as she was a huge part of him being taken down?

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Like how does she deal with the girl over Dan?

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Like what happens to McDuffie Now Matt's in jail? Like

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 3>I know most people maybe don't care about all those things,

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 3>but I'm interested to see them explore and i think

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.760
<v Speaker 3>it will be interesting to see it in the lead

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 3>up to this kind of like earth shattering event with Doomsday.

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I'm also just interested in general in the

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:44.439
<v Speaker 3>kind of like focus on family and kids. I don't

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 3>think it's a coincidence that they have introduced another child

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 3>into the MCU here with a superheroic family. I think

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 3>that's gonna be a big focus of Doomsday. There's been

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 3>a lot of rumors rumbling around around why this version

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 3>of Doom is coming off. The read is coming off

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 3>the our universe. Our universe is Tony whoever else, and

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.719
<v Speaker 3>it is seemingly very much based around family again, so

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm interested to see them leaning into that. I love

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 3>to see Danny Kacha. I think that's really fun to

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 3>see it from the comics. But it does lean into

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 3>that trend again of sort of every superhero in the

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 3>MCU having a family having a kid, and that being

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 3>a main theme going into Doomsday.

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the readings. So according to Iluminite Illuminate,

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 1>which is so illuminate, I feel like we need to

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.439
<v Speaker 1>provide the context here obviously with streaming, Yes, nobody knows

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck the readings are.

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 2>No anybody, we're all being lies to our old times.

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>At all times. It's a black box Netflix, Disney plus

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Amazon Prime. They'll tell you this so and so is

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 1>the most watched the streaming show on our platform and

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 1>other asterisks in small print, right, but you don't actually

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>know that. Illuminate is a third party panel based measurement.

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>They do it kind of like Nielsen, in which they

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>basically are just like taking other available open source data

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and asking people like, what are you watching it for?

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 2>How long?

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 1>And they measure it that way. It's indirect, but it's

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of like the way Nielsen used to do it.

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 1>And according to them, there has been about a fifty

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:24.399
<v Speaker 1>percent drop in.

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:26.399
<v Speaker 2>There.

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>They're calling it views basically, so people are watching fifty

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:39.319
<v Speaker 1>percent less hours of Daredevil season two. Your thoughts on this,

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and then I'll dig into the I'll dig into the

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 1>data a little bit because I think it's a little bit.

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I think the framing is a little dishonest, but I

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>think it's.

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Tough because it's a second season.

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:53.399
<v Speaker 3>It's also in this very weird space of something we've

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 3>been talking about a lot, which is like it's incredibly timely,

0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 3>maybe too timely. I think like for us as people

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.800
<v Speaker 3>living in we found the anti vigilante task for stuff

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 3>very brutal because we're dealing with that still with ice

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 3>kidnapping people in LA every single day is still happening.

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 3>But for some people it feels like it's too far behind,

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 3>like it's not saying enough, you know, So I think

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:15.919
<v Speaker 3>it is really struggling with that.

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 2>I also think that while I have.

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Enjoyed a lot of it and it's kind of comic

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 3>bookie nature, I can understand that it maybe hasn't had

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 3>as many like big cliffhangers for people who don't necessarily

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 3>watch the show or know why it matters that decks,

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, through the knife through the window at the

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 3>end of the first episode, Like I can imagine why

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 3>people would drop off. I do feel like this has

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 3>a potential to be another show like She Hulk or

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 3>The Acolyte where in two years they're like, well, actually

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 3>everyone was rewatching it all the time and babah bah

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:48.319
<v Speaker 3>bah bah, which is what they've found, which are kind

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 3>of those long lead data. But yeah, I mean, this

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 3>doesn't surprise me when this happens to really any show

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 3>because there's just so much TV.

0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:00.319
<v Speaker 1>So I think that I think that's so of that

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 1>is the case. A boot dropped off because he just

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:08.399
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the guts to deal with like real superhero

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 1>fucking drama. So he had to fucking tap out because

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>he just doesn't have the he doesn't have the spine

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>for it.

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 2>He was like, I'm too scared. I'm too scared.

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't get it.

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 2>He had to get out like a coward, flee the sea. Wow,

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.359
<v Speaker 2>this is crazy.

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>But I do think that there is Listen, the the

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:37.400
<v Speaker 1>movies are the engine that drives all of this, and

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it.

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Is the best and most important point.

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Thunderbolts was good but not a hit. And

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 1>it feels like while it's only been has it been

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 1>a year?

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 3>A little bit, it was well, there was Thunderbolts and

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 3>I lost it, and then that was you know, Fantastic FOUM.

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 2>We're kind of in the middle.

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Of Yeah, and so like neither both the hit and

0:41:58.600 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 3>the way they needed to right.

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Thunderbolts was good, I think was better than Fantastic Four,

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:06.400
<v Speaker 1>but Fantastic four needed to be great, wasn't And so

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that is part of the flattening. I think

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that there's a world in which if they could have

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>had Brand New Day be the lead into Daredevil's Born

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>in season two, rather than Born Again be the lead

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>into Punishers one shot being the lead into Brand New Day,

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I think if that would have been reversed, we would

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>have seen a difference here. I also think that, as

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.359
<v Speaker 1>I said, I think it's a little I think it's

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 1>a little disingenuous. First of all, Season one was like

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>nine years of excitement, pent up and lead in for

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:47.800
<v Speaker 1>that show, right, so people were very, very excited. Season

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.000
<v Speaker 1>one premiered with a two episode drop. Season two premiered

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 1>with one episode and five weeks in. Season one had

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>nine episodes available, season two had six. So of course

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 1>total minutes looks worse. There's literally less like minutes, and

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're measuring by, is like minutes and hours,

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>so there's actually a smaller pool of available minutes to watch.

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's a little bit disingenuous. The marketing

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 1>was softer, and now this I think is a strategy

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 1>because it is so politically charged.

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I agree.

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:27.359
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, we remarked on it is like

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>what you saw in the trailers is nothing like it's

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 1>almost nothing like what the show is.

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 2>The show is.

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Listen, your min always may vary some of the discorder

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 1>like this like a timu Ice tet. I don't disagree, no,

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:46.359
<v Speaker 1>but like I I would love it to be much more,

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, extreme than it is. You know, I would like, yeah,

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 1>we'd like you know, yeah, we have dreams, dreams. Well,

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 1>but I think in terms of marketing, I can understand

0:43:58.520 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>how Disney was kind of in a pickle and on

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 1>it to kind of like downplay what the show is.

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.880
<v Speaker 3>It is like extremely weird that I would assume again

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.879
<v Speaker 3>hypothetical guys, but I know this kind of shit.

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I know how this stuff is going down currently.

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I bet they had to have at least one meeting

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 3>about how to not get the president to tweet about

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 3>the show. I feel like that is like you have

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 3>to think about becoming the main character of the Internet

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 3>because the president tweets about you nowadays, Like that's a

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 3>legitimate thing that content creators, you know, streamers, whatever, podcasters

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.919
<v Speaker 3>and also like pr people have to think about, which

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 3>is insane to continue.

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's look at Nielsen ratings, which uses a different open

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.240
<v Speaker 1>source kind of model based on their old television ratings

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:52.800
<v Speaker 1>model than Iluminate does. But season one of Born Again

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 1>did not crack Nielsen's top ten streaming originals, and neither

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 1>did season two. All of which is to say she

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 1>help absolutely did was in the top ten, Miss Marvel,

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 1>And so what that tells you is, in my opinion,

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>it's not that season two is collapsed. It's both season one.

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Season one was inflated in terms of the way people

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 1>discussed it and talked about it, and season two is

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 1>basically comparable to where season one is. And so to

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 1>call season two a collapse, I think is not. Both

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of them were not on the Nielsen top ten. Mm yea,

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 1>So not a collapse, son, Yeah, I agree. And lastly,

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:44.919
<v Speaker 1>and I think most importantly, Disney greenlit season three mm hmm.

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:47.959
<v Speaker 2>It is something that that they.

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 1>They want it to continue now. I think part of

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 1>that is they really think that the Punisher, one last kill,

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>push into Spider Man, Brand New Day, into a vent

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Doomsday will pump you know again, the engine that drives

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing will pump up all the properties. But

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 1>if this was a fucking disaster, there'd be they'd be

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 1>out on season three. They wouldn't, you know, they wouldn't

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 1>have to do it.

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:17.720
<v Speaker 3>We know, like even shows that they won one hundred

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 3>percent sure on like Shee Holk, et cetera, like they

0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:22.399
<v Speaker 3>didn't get a second season. But you know what I mean,

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Like even with those kind of numbers, So there's something

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 3>here that they are planning for, that they want that

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:29.879
<v Speaker 3>makes it worthwhile for them to continue the show.

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 1>So the bottom my bottom line is this, the numbers

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>are real. I'm not I'm not, you know, pushing back

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:42.280
<v Speaker 1>on illuminates actual numbers. But I think season two overperformed

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.319
<v Speaker 1>both because of the way it was measured and because

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:47.719
<v Speaker 1>of like nine years of pent up like excitement for it.

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 1>And season two performed basically settled into what the actual

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of like median level popularity of the show is.

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:02.560
<v Speaker 2>That's all. It's not a collapse. Yeah, it's like it.

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 2>And also this is always the way it is with

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:06.880
<v Speaker 2>like a news cycle. It's just like how do you

0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 2>frame it right?

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 3>And we know less people are watching Marvel stuff, but

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 3>more people are watching stuff that allegedly they weren't watching

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 3>two years ago, like the Acolyte and like Shee Hulk

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:19.879
<v Speaker 3>and these kind of longerly data numbers. So yeah, check

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 3>the data, guys. It's always worth checking. We love to

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.319
<v Speaker 3>check a little data around it. But I'm excited for

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 3>that Evil season three. I had Ever Born again season three.

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, we'll see if a boo can, you know, pull

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:32.800
<v Speaker 1>his pants up and get he can.

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Do it, You can do it.

0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:37.760
<v Speaker 3>A Boom's got too much, he's got too much Dune

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.520
<v Speaker 3>law to know. He doesn't need to waste his time.

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I will say the Dune it is funny books for kids,

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 1>five page books. No, it is golden times in the

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>valley right now for the dune freaks, like it's amazing.

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 2>We love it, you know, I know. I'm so excited

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:55.320
<v Speaker 2>for that.

0:47:55.200 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Movie, Beautiful Golden Fields of Feu.

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 2>They're eaton for the first time. It's sixty years. Well

0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 2>that's it for this episode of X ray Vision. Thanks

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 2>for listening. We'll be back this week with more of

0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:10.280
<v Speaker 2>the boys.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie

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<v Speaker 1>Night and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 1>Our supervising producer is Abu Safar.

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<v Speaker 3>Our producers are common Laurent Dean Jonathan, and Bai wag.

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<v Speaker 1>Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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<v Speaker 1>songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 3>Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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<v Speaker 3>Heidi our discord moderator,