Speaker 1: Warning today's episode Kittain's spoilers for Daredevil Born Again the
Speaker 1: January sixth finale.
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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are recapping episode two. Oh wait,
Speaker 3: it is the finale. It is the Dead Devil January
Speaker 3: sixth episode as it will surely forever be known.
Speaker 2: And of course then we will be discussing.
Speaker 3: The episode and this season and what it means for
Speaker 3: the MCU and where we think it's going to go
Speaker 3: and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: But first we got to get into it. We've got
Speaker 2: to be recapping.
Speaker 1: Darnovil Born Again the finale. Karen and Matt in a flashback,
Speaker 1: walking around the streets, walking around the streets.
Speaker 2: Having a good time. Beta days. It's better days.
Speaker 1: They're enjoying it. They're enjoying the streets of it looks
Speaker 1: like the.
Speaker 2: Where is it?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be Hell's kitchen, Although it
Speaker 1: looks like they never leave. Yeah, Karen is still on trial,
Speaker 1: of course, and mcdushy, she's just.
Speaker 3: Like maladaptive daydreaming her way through the trial.
Speaker 2: Rea, this is associating. Yeah, she's like, what if I's
Speaker 2: just on a date with Matt now and not being
Speaker 2: tried for.
Speaker 1: Being a bit Indian food and then and then I
Speaker 1: just kill someone and then we have sex.
Speaker 2: Right, that's like her dream day.
Speaker 1: McDuffie's waiting for map but he's late for court because
Speaker 1: he recently got shot. Oh okay, and now we can
Speaker 1: say Jones is patching up his legs.
Speaker 2: No night nurse.
Speaker 3: If they were going to pull out a clare, it
Speaker 3: would have been here, I know.
Speaker 2: But you know what, all good. We love to see
Speaker 2: Jessica Jones. Glad she's still here.
Speaker 3: We had to wait a long time, but she's doing
Speaker 3: great and of course she can patch up a leg.
Speaker 1: Jessica Jones wants to know if Matt can stop Fisk,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna do it, if he you know, can
Speaker 1: you do it?
Speaker 2: Can you do it?
Speaker 1: And Matt is like, well, I know Fisk is waiting
Speaker 1: to get me in his sights, and so there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a showdown. Buck goes to see the Mayor and
Speaker 1: he tells him that sadly, not only did Dan not
Speaker 1: deliver up Bebee, but and then he gives them this
Speaker 1: kind of like very charged buck face look, and Fisk
Speaker 1: knows that Dan is no more. Fisk is disappointed in
Speaker 1: Dan not having the juice, and he's just pointed that
Speaker 1: Matt is still alive, and so Fisk is like, I
Speaker 1: want to escalate.
Speaker 3: He's like, just the time to escalate everything else, everything,
Speaker 3: It's time.
Speaker 2: No one's okay.
Speaker 3: I gotta say, first of all, I there was some
Speaker 3: reporting this week, guys about how our sweet baby Dan
Speaker 3: on his Good Boy Redemption arc actually survived originally, and
Speaker 3: they had even started working on some scenes for him
Speaker 3: in season three, but then in post production it was
Speaker 3: revealed that he was dead. I needed to bring this
Speaker 3: up because in my head canon, this scene is still
Speaker 3: the same in both versions, but what happened was in
Speaker 3: the other version Buck couldn't kill him because of that connection,
Speaker 3: and he has him hidden away in a cabin somewhere
Speaker 3: and he's gonna like sort of evily torture him into
Speaker 3: becoming a guy, and BB has to save him, like
Speaker 3: he's gonna become a made man. But yeah, that's that's
Speaker 3: my head canon. Sadly he died, rip to my guy.
Speaker 3: But it's nice to know that they understood that they
Speaker 3: had something special with Michael and this character.
Speaker 1: Matt Limpson to court this matter is as Heather, his
Speaker 1: former girlfriend, is testifying. Uh, he immediately because he has
Speaker 1: superhero This is the subtext.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like not they do his powers in a
Speaker 2: way that we have talked about this in the discorder
Speaker 2: long it's.
Speaker 1: Like a little bit to really let you know that
Speaker 1: he's using them, because he comes in and immediately.
Speaker 2: Is like object John just walked in. How does he
Speaker 2: know that? Because he can fucking hear it.
Speaker 3: He had down in the fuck exactly and he was
Speaker 3: planning his low.
Speaker 2: He's a bit of a cheat in that way. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna lie like he just rolls up late to.
Speaker 3: Stuff, doesn't have to objectis fucking overhearing people.
Speaker 2: But you know what, it's had the Glennen. She's crazy,
Speaker 2: So it's okay, So they need to they do.
Speaker 1: I feel like they do need to kind of like
Speaker 1: underline his powers sometime. Anyway, he staggers in, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he was recently shot by the task force, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't talk about that. Hawkmann gets Heather to read and
Speaker 1: this is crazy, this is evidence. He gets her to
Speaker 1: read from her like in Psychoanalysis of Vigilantes book, which
Speaker 1: is like, we're gonna read that into evidence, like that's
Speaker 1: legitimate evidence.
Speaker 2: This is just promotion for her book. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna lieh twenty twenty six coded, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: The fuck is this QBC?
Speaker 3: It's life course And they're like, this is how you
Speaker 3: sell the book. Click caff at twenty percent off.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, okay, no further questions. Then McDuffie
Speaker 1: asks Heather if is it true that you struck Karen Page,
Speaker 1: and Heather, because in my mind she's possessed by the
Speaker 1: spirit of MWS, denies it and is telling the truth
Speaker 1: because it wasn't her because it was the spirit of news.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh shit.
Speaker 1: He's had the glutton Defender, Matt asks car and Matt
Speaker 1: asks if Karen could be a vigilante if she never
Speaker 1: wore a mask?
Speaker 2: An interesting question.
Speaker 1: And Heather is like, well she hid behind Daredevil and
Speaker 1: Matn is like, well, you're hiding behind Fisk. It's a
Speaker 1: stay of course because crazy. Yeah, Like, come on, a
Speaker 1: task Force guy sets up is setting up a sniper
Speaker 1: rifle across from the court, say, aiming right at the steps.
Speaker 1: This is, by the way, how they killed Captain America
Speaker 1: in the comics right after the Civil War. And it's
Speaker 1: there's a whole sniper's nest up there with a bunch
Speaker 1: of task force guys and he's also dressed as Bullseye sniper.
Speaker 2: How dang you stolen vala of my son?
Speaker 1: How dare But so, what is the plan? He's gonna
Speaker 1: do it and then like jump out the window and
Speaker 1: be like it's me Bullseye and then run away.
Speaker 2: Anything to witness this.
Speaker 3: He hasn't thought this through and he doesn't realize he's
Speaker 3: like the first Joker in the Joker Planet the beginning
Speaker 3: of the Dark Knight returns.
Speaker 2: He is like, the task Force guys.
Speaker 3: Are obviously going to shoot him and then be like, hey,
Speaker 3: we caught Bullseye. He killed he tried to shoot Matt Murdock,
Speaker 3: Like he's getting sacrificed.
Speaker 2: I think he's just dumb.
Speaker 3: But he's also not Deck, so let's be real this
Speaker 3: the real Deck finds out, he's not gonna be happy.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Matt calls Wilson Fisk.
Speaker 2: These two stand Fisk appears.
Speaker 1: The task force files into the courtroom behind Fisk, very
Speaker 1: intimidating scene. Fisk is, I'm grateful for the opportunity to
Speaker 1: talk about the Save the Streets.
Speaker 2: I think it's been very, very beneficial.
Speaker 3: I would also say, guys, if this was scary to you,
Speaker 3: look it up and see that this is once again
Speaker 3: based on a real life thing. I know that everything
Speaker 3: is catching up with itself, but this is a real
Speaker 3: thing that certain groups of people do when other parts
Speaker 3: of their groups are put on trial for things.
Speaker 1: Cops do they the time they show up when a
Speaker 1: when someone who is at least in New York, this
Speaker 1: is what they do when someone's charged with like shooting
Speaker 1: a cop. When they do the purp walk like into
Speaker 1: the into the precinct house to like charge them or
Speaker 1: take them to and from court, there's always like five
Speaker 1: hundred cops on either side just there staring. Meanwhile, Dex
Speaker 1: is up in the sniper's nest and he's taking these
Speaker 1: guys out.
Speaker 2: I told you he's not gonna be happy as flattery, guys,
Speaker 2: not flattery.
Speaker 1: He goes to the sniper's rifle and he's preparing to
Speaker 1: take a shot at someone. Fisk says, savor streets was necessary,
Speaker 1: and this is where it gets really personal, because of
Speaker 1: the deaths of number one, Foggy, your friend who died
Speaker 1: because of vigilant mask vigilante violence. Kind of true, true,
Speaker 1: but I think we're cherry picking our evidence here.
Speaker 2: And also Vanessa my wise outside.
Speaker 3: Yesterday Wilson fisks, so that has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: any event, and.
Speaker 1: The dozens of victims of Muse who the police was
Speaker 1: unable to stop for a long after run of muses killing.
Speaker 3: It's literally like draining people's blood in the sUAS.
Speaker 1: That's why Karen needs to go away, Fisk says, And
Speaker 1: by and by the way, that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: I don't even understand how that lines up. Anyway, Fisk says,
Speaker 1: the streets are safer now, and go look at the stats.
Speaker 2: They back me up.
Speaker 1: Matt tries to talk about the task force kidnapping people
Speaker 1: off the street, random people, regular people. Matt points out
Speaker 1: that despite safer streets, Dexter who once worked for you,
Speaker 1: is that not true? Mayor Fisk publicly killed his wife
Speaker 1: and did he not kill her with a crystal Wilson
Speaker 1: fisks memorial Boston.
Speaker 2: Arapith. Not enough is being made of that, guys.
Speaker 1: So Matt asks Fisk to define the difference between a
Speaker 1: vigilante and a villain, and this is this is also
Speaker 1: not evidence, this is but whatever. This is a crazy
Speaker 1: courtroom scene. Matt brings up the Northern Star, that all
Speaker 1: the guns on the Northern Star and the freeport charter,
Speaker 1: which says that there's.
Speaker 2: No laws there.
Speaker 1: He of course, is not able to enter this into
Speaker 1: evidence because this whole tribunal is fucking rigged and the
Speaker 1: objection objection, objection, and the judges are letting them get
Speaker 1: away with it. Matt then asks if it was Daredevil
Speaker 1: that sunk the Northern Star.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yes, Daredevil says, this whole court is out of order,
Speaker 1: rigged by people who worked for you, And then Matt
Speaker 1: puts Christophe's testimony by video into the evidence objection. They
Speaker 1: go to chambers. Fisk whispers that he's ready to ruin
Speaker 1: Matt's life, sitting you know, like still on the stand,
Speaker 1: and he's like whispering because I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Life, I'm gonna fuck you up.
Speaker 3: It's kind of it's kind of again, very horny moments
Speaker 3: like very queid, fucking ruin you. I'm gonna kill you,
Speaker 3: kill you, motherfucker, I'm gonna ruin your life.
Speaker 2: Matt is able to basically.
Speaker 1: The judge, the one judge is like, I guess I
Speaker 1: got I led it into evidence, like I'm being as crooked.
Speaker 2: As like, and so they put it in an evidence.
Speaker 1: In the tape, Christoph says that Fisk ordered him to
Speaker 1: scuddle the ship. Uh oh, Now Hawkman is panicking. He
Speaker 1: objects and says that unless someone who was on the
Speaker 1: boat testifies in court, it doesn't count.
Speaker 2: Boom, the governor walks into court. She's still alive. What
Speaker 2: Fisk is like? Uh oh? Buckets failed me for the
Speaker 2: first time.
Speaker 3: Uh oh.
Speaker 1: Matt then asked Fisk about the weapons and the scuttling
Speaker 1: of the boat, and Fisk does a hold, you can't
Speaker 1: handle the truth type of thing. You don't get to
Speaker 1: know about the port and by the way, the city
Speaker 1: is thriving.
Speaker 2: How dare you questioned me?
Speaker 1: Matt says, Daredevil was on the boat and guess what
Speaker 1: dared Evil's gonna testify to the guns Canny Fisk and Karen.
Speaker 1: Karen's jaw is like sitting with her lawyer and mcduvey.
Speaker 1: Karen's jaw drops and her.
Speaker 2: Eyes go wide. She's like, oh my god, he's gonna
Speaker 2: do it, and he doesn't, idiot, and he.
Speaker 1: Goes Daredevil, buy your own testimony was on that boat
Speaker 1: and by Christoph's testimony, and he can't testify to what
Speaker 1: happened here, as aj as a toorney, gentlemen, Hawkman said,
Speaker 1: is the only way to get this evidence in and
Speaker 1: he can't testify to that right now because I am
Speaker 1: Daredevil and you fucking know that shit.
Speaker 2: Fisc is so stressed, he's so so.
Speaker 1: And they're like the first reaction is a gasp, and
Speaker 1: then the next reaction is like, okay, mister, mister fucking
Speaker 1: blind the time.
Speaker 2: Blind guy, you can't get me a break.
Speaker 1: So then he takes his cane and he takes a
Speaker 1: Billy Club attachment off, flinging around the room.
Speaker 2: He goes like, pinging around.
Speaker 3: Can I just say if I'm if I'm mcduffy, I'm
Speaker 3: standing up right now. This is a mistrial, Like what's
Speaker 3: going on? Just let my client go?
Speaker 4: It's a Shitnanigans like, boys, fucking is that fucking.
Speaker 2: New York's got talent? Go away like this is a
Speaker 2: fucking cob lor.
Speaker 1: Let's go to a break.
Speaker 2: And we're back.
Speaker 1: The judge finally feeling like there's gonna be a story
Speaker 1: in this courtroom drama that's not gonna be about me,
Speaker 1: and I have the opening now and the secure a
Speaker 1: ready to like get this off my plate, goes Karen
Speaker 1: Pages with prejudice goodbye.
Speaker 3: No dude, we have to talk about I pointed out
Speaker 3: as well, like we have to talk about one of the.
Speaker 2: Funniest moments where where Pale's like, oh shit, the blood
Speaker 2: Lily is dead evil.
Speaker 4: And he looks like really happy, but then you're like
Speaker 4: and then everyone in the discorded, like you know, and
Speaker 4: then he's pointing out as we like, why is Powell
Speaker 4: always so surprised, Like didn't Matt beat his fucking ass
Speaker 4: in the apartment in season one?
Speaker 2: Like why are you surprised? Burn? Like you should have
Speaker 2: been the one who got to he's dumb, you know, but.
Speaker 1: Maybe his ass got maybe he got his bell got
Speaker 1: so rung in that moment, like it's like a football hits,
Speaker 1: like there were he doesn't know, he doesn't like really
Speaker 1: remember what happened because he got so fucking concussed during
Speaker 1: that anyway. The judge is like, mad, I'd like you
Speaker 1: to stay behind.
Speaker 2: We need to discuss.
Speaker 1: The governor says that. The announces to the press at
Speaker 1: the Attorney General. The state attorney General is filing charges
Speaker 1: against Fisk. His assets, all his assets have been.
Speaker 2: Frozen, and.
Speaker 1: The state is taking control of the freeport. That's it,
Speaker 1: no lawless pirate ports.
Speaker 2: They were so fun though. They were so fun. Also,
Speaker 2: the guy that you sent to kill me is going
Speaker 2: to testify. Uh uh.
Speaker 1: Fisk and Matt walk out of court together. Dex is
Speaker 1: up in the snipersest he's ready to shoot. Bullseye shoots
Speaker 1: bucking the guts and there's a big, big shootout from
Speaker 1: there on.
Speaker 3: Did he do that because he like didn't really care
Speaker 3: if he got him or not, Like, was he just
Speaker 3: shooting for fun?
Speaker 2: I feel like bulls ain't never misses, this seems I
Speaker 2: think he was.
Speaker 1: He was just like I think this was Matt's plan,
Speaker 1: because remember Matt was like, you can help me, but
Speaker 1: you can't kill even though.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that.
Speaker 3: I like this is his moral this is my son's
Speaker 3: good borrow compass coming through.
Speaker 2: He's trying to walk out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you can help me, but you can't.
Speaker 1: You just can't kill. So he gut shots buck. Buck
Speaker 1: is off the board. Big shootout. Now there's chaos in
Speaker 1: the court. People have to retreat back in the building
Speaker 1: for safety. Fisk in his inner circle hold up in
Speaker 1: the courtroom with the Task Force standing guard, like outside
Speaker 1: the room and outside the building. Matt is up in
Speaker 1: the judges chambers. Fisk then, because the press is there,
Speaker 1: I remember, He's like, I'm gonna address the city. He
Speaker 1: addresses the city from the courtroom. He says, there's been
Speaker 1: a attack. I'm declared a state of emergency. The vigilangy
Speaker 1: lovers are gathering to take this city from us.
Speaker 2: I will not leave office.
Speaker 1: And he promises like he's not gonna step down. Then
Speaker 1: we get a mayor kingpin mask broadcast. It's Babie, but
Speaker 1: she does it in her own voice this time, and
Speaker 1: she talks about the task Force, how they're doing all
Speaker 1: these crimes, kid having people, killing people, extra judicial murders,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Accuses Fisk publicly of killing.
Speaker 1: Daniel or ordering the trey killing of her good friend Daniel.
Speaker 2: It's time to take the city back, she says.
Speaker 1: The people of the city who are pro Dared Devil
Speaker 1: rise up. They're wearing their Dared Devil masks.
Speaker 2: D Devil January six. It's top. This is a well
Speaker 2: the masks thing is a comic book. That's a big
Speaker 2: comic book thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They all go to the courthouse along with the gen
Speaker 1: X Cops, the gen X good cops you know, playing
Speaker 1: Pearl jam and Neirvanda on the way, exactly like Fisk
Speaker 1: tells the task Force, if you see Karen Page and Matt,
Speaker 1: you shoot to kill. I don't give a fuck. I'm
Speaker 1: a fucking gun them down. Yeah, don't let them leave
Speaker 1: the building. The task Force is getting nervous because, like people, really,
Speaker 1: there's a huge crowd outside. But they but they hold
Speaker 1: the line. They go to get Matt and carried up
Speaker 1: in the judges uh chambers. There's a big, big fight. McDuffie,
Speaker 1: Karen Page and the Governor stay inside and Karen can
Speaker 1: get out there and she can get active, but she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to, while Daredevil and Jessica Jones and her
Speaker 1: Fritzy Powers go out there to fight and they're throwing
Speaker 1: guys all around with all the Devil supporters outside meanwhile,
Speaker 1: including Angela.
Speaker 2: Yes, our favorite tiny murderer. What's she up to? How
Speaker 2: many people did she kill tonight? Let's not count on.
Speaker 1: Jerry tries to get the task forced to surrender. He's like,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, like.
Speaker 2: What are you doing that?
Speaker 1: If it's crazy, what do ye?
Speaker 2: Let's have it, you know.
Speaker 1: The Attorney General calls Fisk to basically be like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? Fisk just click hangs up. Powell, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: is going full Captain ahab out.
Speaker 2: On the deck of this. He's fucking mutiny on the bounty.
Speaker 2: He's losing it.
Speaker 1: He's like, kill them all and dredge their blood, fucking
Speaker 1: on the streets, fucking blow their brains out. Finally, his
Speaker 1: second in command, Scarred Cop, comes to his senses for once,
Speaker 1: and by the way, that's not good enough. I still
Speaker 1: want him up on charge.
Speaker 2: It's it's call it, but.
Speaker 1: We'll take this under advisement when you do go a
Speaker 1: little bit to trial, but regardless, you've committed a lot
Speaker 1: of crimes. Whatever. He does, knock out Powell, and everything
Speaker 1: seems like it's gonna be kind of diffused or better.
Speaker 1: But then all the pro Daredevil people charge into the
Speaker 1: courthouse and it's Daredevil January sixth.
Speaker 2: It's happening the.
Speaker 3: Way to end this season of this show, like just
Speaker 3: an insane time to be alive. Also, have you been
Speaker 3: wondering why Heather was practicing that gripple season, Well, you
Speaker 3: know you're about to find out.
Speaker 2: She's ready.
Speaker 1: She gets Attorney General Hawkman is, as as we've seen,
Speaker 1: has been very weird towards Heather.
Speaker 2: He deserves everything he gets.
Speaker 1: It's it's very sexual harassment, fee coated the way.
Speaker 2: He speaks to her.
Speaker 1: And then finally she is just like lets the spirit
Speaker 1: of muse flow through her, and she fucking crushes his
Speaker 1: wind pipe and then takes the super takes his jacket off,
Speaker 1: his his his steadily stiffening and cooling corpse, and puts
Speaker 1: it around Buck her book.
Speaker 2: That's where that's true love, Guys. I don't care whatever
Speaker 2: happens next. I'm rooting for these two.
Speaker 3: Crazy It's like everything's going to ship, guys, at least these.
Speaker 1: Two psychopaths fout Heather and Buck.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like it. Do that best anyway.
Speaker 1: Sheila, you know, deputy mayor or deputy you know, chief
Speaker 1: of staff whatever, gets a call and it's the AG,
Speaker 1: and the AG is like, listen, when Fisk resigns and
Speaker 1: leaves the city, we can make this all go away,
Speaker 1: and that's what we want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he leaves, if he goes boom, that's it.
Speaker 1: Fisk goes on, it goes to exile, okay, and then
Speaker 1: it'll be The implication is like a general amnesty for
Speaker 1: Sheila will be fine. Dan, who nobody knows is dead,
Speaker 1: is well, they know he's dead now, but like they're like,
Speaker 1: all right, pizza, that man, you don't drama. Everybody will
Speaker 1: be fine, Buck, I guess they'll be fine. Fisk orders
Speaker 1: the courtroom doors open and all the daredevil January six
Speaker 1: ers start coming in and Fisk starts beating.
Speaker 2: The shit out of them.
Speaker 1: He kills like twenty people with his bare hands, and
Speaker 1: the wady dude.
Speaker 2: This is so crazy because also this is.
Speaker 3: My man saying like I'm out, like no public office
Speaker 3: for me, Like I'm just gonna fucking cave a few
Speaker 3: people's heads in with my hands and break their best
Speaker 3: energy them over throwing off the second floor, like lots
Speaker 3: of suplexing, lots of fane breaking Batman full head like
Speaker 3: being bashed into the floor.
Speaker 1: It's just like insane. How many people he kills with
Speaker 1: his bare hands. Crazy and I have to say shouts
Speaker 1: to the courageousness of the Daredevil January Sixers because they
Speaker 1: never stopped.
Speaker 2: They never stopped, They just went for it. They were best.
Speaker 1: So like a dozen of their compatriots get turned into
Speaker 1: apple sauce and they're still like, let's try and get
Speaker 1: this guy. Meanwhile, Crazy Jessica Jones, Daredevil, and that little
Speaker 1: white Tiger are fighting from the other side of the building,
Speaker 1: but a little like tiger throwing people around. Daredevil and
Speaker 1: his January Sixers now face down Fisk and it's a
Speaker 1: big showdown on the steps and the and the interior
Speaker 1: like lobby of the courthouse. Oh yeah, And Jessica Jones
Speaker 1: and Daredevil are fighting our way up to Fisk where
Speaker 1: he's like up there like crushing skulls and they're trying
Speaker 1: to get the mob to get away from Fisk. And
Speaker 1: then Matt, of course, mister fucking when they go low
Speaker 1: we go, Hi is like stop it.
Speaker 2: We're better than this. I'm like, Matt, We're not. We
Speaker 2: are not better than this.
Speaker 3: This is so funny to me as well, because this
Speaker 3: is this whole sequence is like so Mamdani Trump Codd
Speaker 3: nowadays too.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, what the fuck? How is this so
Speaker 2: relatable to real life? This is so insane.
Speaker 1: So Matt says, listen, it's over for both.
Speaker 2: Of us to Fisk. But you know what's the one
Speaker 2: thing that pulls us together. We love New.
Speaker 1: York love, we love the city, we love the China
Speaker 1: Town dog. And he's like, take the deal. Fisk, Like, well,
Speaker 1: let's just both leave town and that's it. We can
Speaker 1: give the city what it needs, peace and fiscals. Like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're right, crazy, like just still people.
Speaker 2: Actually, He's like, wait, you had a friend in a
Speaker 2: blood frenzy.
Speaker 4: Maybe like that is that might be why he accepted
Speaker 4: gild escaped Chip.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, you know what, You're right, let's
Speaker 2: just bye God to me. Bye Gods.
Speaker 3: So, actually, like an amnesty sounds pretty good. Right now,
Speaker 3: you're saying anything I've.
Speaker 4: Done doesn't count pirate chata illegally, you know, gun running,
Speaker 4: killing twenty civilians.
Speaker 2: Just now, I'm okay to just go and like be
Speaker 2: your next ol. I'm cool with that. Okay, Yeah, pretty
Speaker 2: smart move on his pop.
Speaker 1: We returned to the kind of idyllic scenes of Karen's disassociation.
Speaker 1: When after sometime after unclear how long after the Daredevil
Speaker 1: January sixth riot and the deaths of twenty citizens of
Speaker 1: New York and others, Karen Page and Man are having
Speaker 1: dinner at the Indian restaurant and they're both like so
Speaker 1: relieved it's over. They get to live a normal life now,
Speaker 1: even though everybody knows he's Daredevil and just you know whatever,
Speaker 1: do court cases and like have sex. But then they're
Speaker 1: sirens coming from outside, and of course he has heard
Speaker 1: them since they left the station late.
Speaker 2: He's heard them far. He knew they were coming. This
Speaker 2: was his last night lost supper.
Speaker 1: Trying to ignore it, you know, maybe get in a
Speaker 1: little smooch, little little cuddling before they've fucking come. But
Speaker 1: it's too late. They're here, and Matt is arrested for
Speaker 1: the crimes of Daredevil, and they're like a montage.
Speaker 2: I actually hadn't.
Speaker 3: Thought about that, And it's quite a smart twist to
Speaker 3: put him off the table, because you'd been predicting like
Speaker 3: one or either of them would be like one or both,
Speaker 3: you'd be off the table. Very interesting to see that
Speaker 3: exactly where we end off, but in an unexpected way.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I do think I wonder if they're
Speaker 1: gonna go with well, I'll let me say everything. Yea,
Speaker 1: we get him on touch Luke Cage, I come home
Speaker 1: hugs his.
Speaker 2: Daughter had to talk about that, I know, how fun.
Speaker 1: And by the way, very clear that Mike. This was
Speaker 1: the last second thing. And Mike didn't get to work
Speaker 1: out for you.
Speaker 2: He didn't get to bow up.
Speaker 1: They didn't get to buck up. They just have him
Speaker 1: in layers and layers of like hoodies.
Speaker 2: This is like evil. He's still an evil Frame, not
Speaker 2: Luke Cage. Frame.
Speaker 1: BB gets some of Ben's stuff from the Bugle, like
Speaker 1: his old articles, a box of his old stuff, which
Speaker 1: is by the way, Ben, You're like, why didn't he
Speaker 1: why didn't we give this stuff to BB?
Speaker 2: Before?
Speaker 1: Luke is you know, Jessica Jones is like where you've been?
Speaker 1: And Luke is like, you know, he can't say he's
Speaker 1: like doing black jobs in Syria.
Speaker 2: You don't want to know what he was doing.
Speaker 1: So he's like, I can't talk about it, but let's
Speaker 1: just say work was different over there, which kind of
Speaker 1: means like I've been assassinating.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's been horribly assassinating people to destabilize other countries.
Speaker 2: I've been I've been just like doing murders for the government.
Speaker 2: And then he says they.
Speaker 1: Found someone else like I would. Basically, I resigned and
Speaker 1: they found somebody else to take my place, and that
Speaker 1: person is Dex.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love this twist so much because one, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. Whatever issues you have with Luke
Speaker 3: Cage or whatever, He's not really like he's a hero fire.
Speaker 2: He's not so much like a killer fire. He does
Speaker 2: kill people, but.
Speaker 3: Like I just don't I think Dex is a better
Speaker 3: fit basically as well.
Speaker 2: I agree, somebody who loves to.
Speaker 3: And he can kill for a good reason, just put
Speaker 3: him on a mission he needs like a hyperfixation, you know.
Speaker 1: And loves to kill. But my only thing is that
Speaker 1: if Dex is the replacement, that really does mean Luke's
Speaker 1: been killing That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. How many that's horrific?
Speaker 4: Like to think when they said, oh they found someone new,
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, But mister Charles and Dex is
Speaker 4: like a powerful combination together, so I'm interested to see
Speaker 4: what happens there.
Speaker 1: JJ and Luke embrace, but we know they have a
Speaker 1: it's a complicated relationship. Matt goes to jail, oh and
Speaker 1: he sees all the fucking task Force bitches. This is,
Speaker 1: by the way, not the first I love Matt in jail.
Speaker 2: Me too. We love it. He's always doing great. I
Speaker 2: love love.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite bits of any street level New
Speaker 1: York centric vigilante superhero, whether it's to Punisher, Daredevil, or
Speaker 1: spider Man, is when.
Speaker 2: They go to jail.
Speaker 1: I love when yeah, Heather officially becomes mused too off
Speaker 1: the mask on everything I know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, whether there's ruby earrings, babe, dress it up
Speaker 3: a bit, come on.
Speaker 1: And then we see Kingpin in a peacoat a beautiful
Speaker 1: coat on the beach somewhere, and I think, like in
Speaker 1: the comics, it's gonna be like southern Italy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, someone for sure. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Let's go to a break and we'll be back.
Speaker 2: And we're back. We're okay.
Speaker 1: We were right about a lot of things. Our death,
Speaker 1: our death to no eron today sadly, but our death
Speaker 1: list I think was mostly correct. Yes, well, I'm very
Speaker 1: sad to see Powell survive, unless he died a brave lead.
Speaker 2: From that of the block. Wish sadly, I think Powell.
Speaker 3: I think I was probably right from when we recorded
Speaker 3: the last episode, which is I think that Powell is
Speaker 3: probably gonna have to get killed by Frank or Karen.
Speaker 3: I think that would be it has to be like
Speaker 3: a full circle. But I also like your idea that
Speaker 3: he could become a villain because, as we can see clearly,
Speaker 3: this leaves us with.
Speaker 2: A power vacuum in New York's crime scene. I'm also
Speaker 2: interested to see whether they're going.
Speaker 3: To try and keep it street level for the next season,
Speaker 3: or if they are going to try and up the
Speaker 3: stakes and add another higher level villain, because if you
Speaker 3: think about it, like muse, yeah, I'm sure we'll see
Speaker 3: her popping around.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she'll be up to something, but we're.
Speaker 3: Not in a situation where the MCU is gonna make
Speaker 3: her the full antagonist of the third.
Speaker 2: Season, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think we really need to know what's going
Speaker 3: to go there to be able to work out, because
Speaker 3: otherwise there's not that many loose ends. They've done quite
Speaker 3: a good job of tying them up this season. So
Speaker 3: I'm interested to kind of see where we go next.
Speaker 3: But this is a very fun and crazy and silly finale,
Speaker 3: and I love that in the end it was just
Speaker 3: Matt and Wilson agreeing, which is so much of this show. Actually,
Speaker 3: it's like them having a little secret meeting and it's like, guys,
Speaker 3: just go to couples therapy, like you would save the
Speaker 3: city billions in damages, Like, come on.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be the toll is going to
Speaker 1: be insane. Okay, So let's talk about where we end up.
Speaker 1: Matt is under arrest and everybody knows that his about
Speaker 1: his secret life is Dared Double or do they What
Speaker 1: do you think.
Speaker 2: The plot for season three will be?
Speaker 1: I have I'm on record as predicting that I think
Speaker 1: they'll do some version of Iron Fist or somebody as
Speaker 1: Dared Devil in order to like have Matt. I guess
Speaker 1: Matt will just say that I lie under oath or
Speaker 1: certainly are line at Cornet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't really me. I just needed to get
Speaker 2: him put in prison. Yeah, what do you think is
Speaker 2: gonna happen? I do so. I think they're gonna have
Speaker 2: him live with it.
Speaker 3: I think that from what we saw, they're probably gonna
Speaker 3: have the Task Force try and kill him in prison
Speaker 3: or something. I think we're gonna get some sick prison fights.
Speaker 3: We've gotten a couple of those quite legendarily.
Speaker 2: I think this gives us.
Speaker 3: A chance to follow other characters, which I don't know
Speaker 3: if people will love, but I do think that as
Speaker 3: seeing as we're about to have, you know, punishat Spider
Speaker 3: Man and I had always talked about the fact that
Speaker 3: there is a chance with Spider.
Speaker 2: Man and the Hand and everything that that could connect.
Speaker 3: And Ian had a really good thought, which was that
Speaker 3: because we know the Hand are going to be in
Speaker 3: Spider Man, maybe they are going to be in season three,
Speaker 3: but we could see something like Spider Man trying to
Speaker 3: break Matt out of prison or something like that, and
Speaker 3: maybe we start to get those crossovers coming that other
Speaker 3: way too.
Speaker 2: I think that we're in a really interesting situation because.
Speaker 3: The reality is that they've been so successful, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: at translating the ground level, street level stuff, that they
Speaker 3: could keep doing it. But I think that because we
Speaker 3: know the rest of the Defenders are going to come back,
Speaker 3: we know that that's been leaked, we've seen that Luke
Speaker 3: is back. At the end of this, I do think
Speaker 3: that we're going to be looking at a sort of
Speaker 3: like hero Less rodderlus New York Hell's Kitchen where the
Speaker 3: defenders have to come back together because Matt's in jail.
Speaker 3: And then what I want to know is why I
Speaker 3: feel like they can't do fullhand for season three Dead Evil.
Speaker 3: It's been done too much in the Netflix stuff. So again,
Speaker 3: for me, it's all about that big bad. Is it
Speaker 3: gonna be someone under Wilson's command, Is it gonna be Valentina,
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be someone directly connected to the comics, Is.
Speaker 2: It gonna be a different Dead Levilville? And obviously we
Speaker 2: know I like the weirdest stuff like type with.
Speaker 3: Mary and stuff like that, but I just feel like
Speaker 3: when we see Spider Man brand new day, we're gonna
Speaker 3: have a better idea. Though I do think as long
Speaker 3: as they keep Karen and Frank at the forefront, people
Speaker 3: won't miss Matt too much until probably like halfway through
Speaker 3: the season. That's kind of what I feel like we're
Speaker 3: gonna be at is like him in jail for probably
Speaker 3: half the season, and then the rest of the New
Speaker 3: York kind of dealing with him being in jail and
Speaker 3: what that.
Speaker 2: Means for the city, and then whatever Wilson's planning.
Speaker 1: I love that now, Wilson. When this happened in the comics,
Speaker 1: we got a kind of a plot B plot Matt
Speaker 1: dealing with his secret identity being out on the street,
Speaker 1: and then Wilson being dealing with being out of power.
Speaker 1: He does like the classic, you know, Frankenstein in the
Speaker 1: village thing where he falls in love with a woman,
Speaker 1: but of course, like his old enemies catch up with
Speaker 1: him and kill her and then he has to go.
Speaker 1: He does like a like a.
Speaker 2: Skyfall style like kill all the assassins who come to
Speaker 2: kill me type thing, and then he decides to take
Speaker 2: the power back.
Speaker 1: How involved do you think Wilson's going to be? I
Speaker 1: think that they will probably do something like that where
Speaker 1: we really delve into like who is the Kingpin? How
Speaker 1: did he become who he is? Will get like his
Speaker 1: abusive upbringing, and then we'll kind of it'll be like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a redemption arc sort of, but
Speaker 1: it'll be the Kingpin deciding to return to New York
Speaker 1: like truly as what he always should have been, which
Speaker 1: is kingpin of crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I really like that if you think about what's been
Speaker 3: working Impressedige superhero shows recently. Think about the Penguin even
Speaker 3: outside of superheroes, right, think about like white Lotus, this
Speaker 3: kind of lavish, how the other side lives machinations. I
Speaker 3: think about how powerful the episode of the Penguin is.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 3: Episode four where we see Sophia really get her like
Speaker 3: revenge on the family and take over on the family,
Speaker 3: and it's one of.
Speaker 2: The coolest, like craziest sequences.
Speaker 3: I feel like if I watch something like that, I'd
Speaker 3: be like, and I was working on this show, I'd
Speaker 3: be like, Yeah, I want to do Wilson Fisk as
Speaker 3: the Godfather. I want to do Wilson Fisk in a
Speaker 3: massive Venetian mansion ordering people about falling in love and yeah,
Speaker 3: like you said, then you know, once again choosing to
Speaker 3: go back and sort of learning, like taking what he's
Speaker 3: learned with him back to New York to take on
Speaker 3: that roll as the kingpin of crime, which can then
Speaker 3: allow him to be like he is in the.
Speaker 2: Comics, a sometime ally sometime antagonist. One more, and then
Speaker 2: let's talk about some of the reactions to this season.
Speaker 1: I what do you think happens with those crazy kids
Speaker 1: bucking Heather? I think they become a I think they
Speaker 1: become a psycho sexual vigilante duo like crime. I don't
Speaker 1: think Heather as music will be a psycho psychotic killer.
Speaker 1: You don't think she's yelling anyone in the same way
Speaker 1: that I think she will kill bad guys. I think
Speaker 1: she'll be like a bad guy killer and a like
Speaker 1: an a an abuser, domestic abuser killer. Like that's how
Speaker 1: she's going to be like that, Yeah, kind of like.
Speaker 2: With Buck is like her.
Speaker 1: Her like physical muse, you know, like the reason she
Speaker 1: doesn't maybe like he gets involved something.
Speaker 3: You can help out clean up. You know, he's good
Speaker 3: at that kind of side of things too. I absolutely
Speaker 3: love that idea. Also, again, I do like the idea
Speaker 3: of Wilson and Matt being out of the picture for
Speaker 3: a little bit, giving us time to explore, like what
Speaker 3: happens with beebe, Like is she gonna be working as
Speaker 3: a real journalist?
Speaker 2: How does she survive?
Speaker 3: Is Wilson going to try and take her down, seeing
Speaker 3: as she was a huge part of him being taken down?
Speaker 3: Like how does she deal with the girl over Dan?
Speaker 3: Like what happens to McDuffie Now Matt's in jail? Like
Speaker 3: I know most people maybe don't care about all those things,
Speaker 3: but I'm interested to see them explore and i think
Speaker 3: it will be interesting to see it in the lead
Speaker 3: up to this kind of like earth shattering event with Doomsday.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm also just interested in general in the
Speaker 3: kind of like focus on family and kids. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's a coincidence that they have introduced another child
Speaker 3: into the MCU here with a superheroic family. I think
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a big focus of Doomsday. There's been
Speaker 3: a lot of rumors rumbling around around why this version
Speaker 3: of Doom is coming off. The read is coming off
Speaker 3: the our universe. Our universe is Tony whoever else, and
Speaker 3: it is seemingly very much based around family again, so
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see them leaning into that. I love
Speaker 3: to see Danny Kacha. I think that's really fun to
Speaker 3: see it from the comics. But it does lean into
Speaker 3: that trend again of sort of every superhero in the
Speaker 3: MCU having a family having a kid, and that being
Speaker 3: a main theme going into Doomsday.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the readings. So according to Iluminite Illuminate,
Speaker 1: which is so illuminate, I feel like we need to
Speaker 1: provide the context here obviously with streaming, Yes, nobody knows
Speaker 1: what the fuck the readings are.
Speaker 2: No anybody, we're all being lies to our old times.
Speaker 1: At all times. It's a black box Netflix, Disney plus
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime. They'll tell you this so and so is
Speaker 1: the most watched the streaming show on our platform and
Speaker 1: other asterisks in small print, right, but you don't actually
Speaker 1: know that. Illuminate is a third party panel based measurement.
Speaker 1: They do it kind of like Nielsen, in which they
Speaker 1: basically are just like taking other available open source data
Speaker 1: and asking people like, what are you watching it for?
Speaker 2: How long?
Speaker 1: And they measure it that way. It's indirect, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the way Nielsen used to do it.
Speaker 1: And according to them, there has been about a fifty
Speaker 1: percent drop in.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: They're calling it views basically, so people are watching fifty
Speaker 1: percent less hours of Daredevil season two. Your thoughts on this,
Speaker 1: and then I'll dig into the I'll dig into the
Speaker 1: data a little bit because I think it's a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think the framing is a little dishonest, but I
Speaker 1: think it's.
Speaker 2: Tough because it's a second season.
Speaker 3: It's also in this very weird space of something we've
Speaker 3: been talking about a lot, which is like it's incredibly timely,
Speaker 3: maybe too timely. I think like for us as people
Speaker 3: living in we found the anti vigilante task for stuff
Speaker 3: very brutal because we're dealing with that still with ice
Speaker 3: kidnapping people in LA every single day is still happening.
Speaker 3: But for some people it feels like it's too far behind,
Speaker 3: like it's not saying enough, you know, So I think
Speaker 3: it is really struggling with that.
Speaker 2: I also think that while I have.
Speaker 3: Enjoyed a lot of it and it's kind of comic
Speaker 3: bookie nature, I can understand that it maybe hasn't had
Speaker 3: as many like big cliffhangers for people who don't necessarily
Speaker 3: watch the show or know why it matters that decks,
Speaker 3: you know, through the knife through the window at the
Speaker 3: end of the first episode, Like I can imagine why
Speaker 3: people would drop off. I do feel like this has
Speaker 3: a potential to be another show like She Hulk or
Speaker 3: The Acolyte where in two years they're like, well, actually
Speaker 3: everyone was rewatching it all the time and babah bah
Speaker 3: bah bah, which is what they've found, which are kind
Speaker 3: of those long lead data. But yeah, I mean, this
Speaker 3: doesn't surprise me when this happens to really any show
Speaker 3: because there's just so much TV.
Speaker 1: So I think that I think that's so of that
Speaker 1: is the case. A boot dropped off because he just
Speaker 1: doesn't have the guts to deal with like real superhero
Speaker 1: fucking drama. So he had to fucking tap out because
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have the he doesn't have the spine
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: He was like, I'm too scared. I'm too scared.
Speaker 1: I can't get it.
Speaker 2: He had to get out like a coward, flee the sea. Wow,
Speaker 2: this is crazy.
Speaker 1: But I do think that there is Listen, the the
Speaker 1: movies are the engine that drives all of this, and
Speaker 1: I think it.
Speaker 2: Is the best and most important point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Thunderbolts was good but not a hit. And
Speaker 1: it feels like while it's only been has it been
Speaker 1: a year?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: A little bit, it was well, there was Thunderbolts and
Speaker 3: I lost it, and then that was you know, Fantastic FOUM.
Speaker 2: We're kind of in the middle.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, and so like neither both the hit and
Speaker 3: the way they needed to right.
Speaker 1: Thunderbolts was good, I think was better than Fantastic Four,
Speaker 1: but Fantastic four needed to be great, wasn't And so
Speaker 1: I think that is part of the flattening. I think
Speaker 1: that there's a world in which if they could have
Speaker 1: had Brand New Day be the lead into Daredevil's Born
Speaker 1: in season two, rather than Born Again be the lead
Speaker 1: into Punishers one shot being the lead into Brand New Day,
Speaker 1: I think if that would have been reversed, we would
Speaker 1: have seen a difference here. I also think that, as
Speaker 1: I said, I think it's a little I think it's
Speaker 1: a little disingenuous. First of all, Season one was like
Speaker 1: nine years of excitement, pent up and lead in for
Speaker 1: that show, right, so people were very, very excited. Season
Speaker 1: one premiered with a two episode drop. Season two premiered
Speaker 1: with one episode and five weeks in. Season one had
Speaker 1: nine episodes available, season two had six. So of course
Speaker 1: total minutes looks worse. There's literally less like minutes, and
Speaker 1: that's what they're measuring by, is like minutes and hours,
Speaker 1: so there's actually a smaller pool of available minutes to watch.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a little bit disingenuous. The marketing
Speaker 1: was softer, and now this I think is a strategy
Speaker 1: because it is so politically charged.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we remarked on it is like
Speaker 1: what you saw in the trailers is nothing like it's
Speaker 1: almost nothing like what the show is.
Speaker 2: The show is.
Speaker 1: Listen, your min always may vary some of the discorder
Speaker 1: like this like a timu Ice tet. I don't disagree, no,
Speaker 1: but like I I would love it to be much more,
Speaker 1: you know, extreme than it is. You know, I would like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'd like you know, yeah, we have dreams, dreams. Well,
Speaker 1: but I think in terms of marketing, I can understand
Speaker 1: how Disney was kind of in a pickle and on
Speaker 1: it to kind of like downplay what the show is.
Speaker 3: It is like extremely weird that I would assume again
Speaker 3: hypothetical guys, but I know this kind of shit.
Speaker 2: I know how this stuff is going down currently.
Speaker 3: I bet they had to have at least one meeting
Speaker 3: about how to not get the president to tweet about
Speaker 3: the show. I feel like that is like you have
Speaker 3: to think about becoming the main character of the Internet
Speaker 3: because the president tweets about you nowadays, Like that's a
Speaker 3: legitimate thing that content creators, you know, streamers, whatever, podcasters
Speaker 3: and also like pr people have to think about, which
Speaker 3: is insane to continue.
Speaker 1: Let's look at Nielsen ratings, which uses a different open
Speaker 1: source kind of model based on their old television ratings
Speaker 1: model than Iluminate does. But season one of Born Again
Speaker 1: did not crack Nielsen's top ten streaming originals, and neither
Speaker 1: did season two. All of which is to say she
Speaker 1: help absolutely did was in the top ten, Miss Marvel,
Speaker 1: And so what that tells you is, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: it's not that season two is collapsed. It's both season one.
Speaker 1: Season one was inflated in terms of the way people
Speaker 1: discussed it and talked about it, and season two is
Speaker 1: basically comparable to where season one is. And so to
Speaker 1: call season two a collapse, I think is not. Both
Speaker 1: of them were not on the Nielsen top ten. Mm yea,
Speaker 1: So not a collapse, son, Yeah, I agree. And lastly,
Speaker 1: and I think most importantly, Disney greenlit season three mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It is something that that they.
Speaker 1: They want it to continue now. I think part of
Speaker 1: that is they really think that the Punisher, one last kill,
Speaker 1: push into Spider Man, Brand New Day, into a vent
Speaker 1: Doomsday will pump you know again, the engine that drives
Speaker 1: the whole thing will pump up all the properties. But
Speaker 1: if this was a fucking disaster, there'd be they'd be
Speaker 1: out on season three. They wouldn't, you know, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have to do it.
Speaker 3: We know, like even shows that they won one hundred
Speaker 3: percent sure on like Shee Holk, et cetera, like they
Speaker 3: didn't get a second season. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like even with those kind of numbers, So there's something
Speaker 3: here that they are planning for, that they want that
Speaker 3: makes it worthwhile for them to continue the show.
Speaker 1: So the bottom my bottom line is this, the numbers
Speaker 1: are real. I'm not I'm not, you know, pushing back
Speaker 1: on illuminates actual numbers. But I think season two overperformed
Speaker 1: both because of the way it was measured and because
Speaker 1: of like nine years of pent up like excitement for it.
Speaker 1: And season two performed basically settled into what the actual
Speaker 1: kind of like median level popularity of the show is.
Speaker 2: That's all. It's not a collapse. Yeah, it's like it.
Speaker 2: And also this is always the way it is with
Speaker 2: like a news cycle. It's just like how do you
Speaker 2: frame it right?
Speaker 3: And we know less people are watching Marvel stuff, but
Speaker 3: more people are watching stuff that allegedly they weren't watching
Speaker 3: two years ago, like the Acolyte and like Shee Hulk
Speaker 3: and these kind of longerly data numbers. So yeah, check
Speaker 3: the data, guys. It's always worth checking. We love to
Speaker 3: check a little data around it. But I'm excited for
Speaker 3: that Evil season three. I had Ever Born again season three.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we'll see if a boo can, you know, pull
Speaker 1: his pants up and get he can.
Speaker 2: Do it, You can do it.
Speaker 3: A Boom's got too much, he's got too much Dune
Speaker 3: law to know. He doesn't need to waste his time.
Speaker 1: I will say the Dune it is funny books for kids,
Speaker 1: five page books. No, it is golden times in the
Speaker 1: valley right now for the dune freaks, like it's amazing.
Speaker 2: We love it, you know, I know. I'm so excited
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: Movie, Beautiful Golden Fields of Feu.
Speaker 2: They're eaton for the first time. It's sixty years. Well
Speaker 2: that's it for this episode of X ray Vision. Thanks
Speaker 2: for listening. We'll be back this week with more of
Speaker 2: the boys.
Speaker 3: Bye bye.
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