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Speaker 2: The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences presents Oscars

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Speaker 2: the sixty six.

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Speaker 1: And you will look Academy Award and gentlemen, your host

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Speaker 4: Dahn This mini show biz executive so nervous sweating over

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Speaker 1: Previously on Heidi World, Heidi Fliss's trial has captured the

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Speaker 1: world at the moment when television channels like Core TV

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Speaker 1: are creating the twenty four hour content cycle with other

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Speaker 1: LA trials like The Menandez Brothers and OJ Simpson. But

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Speaker 1: Heidi's crimes are only arguably even crimes in a crooked

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Speaker 1: system that prosecutes sex workers and criminalizes sex work. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Heidi World, Chapter eight. Heidiwear. Heidi Pioneer's personal branding

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Speaker 1: and cash is in on the scandal with her own

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Speaker 1: line of branded sleepwaar the mid nineties. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Heidie World. I'm your host, Molly Lambert. It's nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 1: Heidie's essate in the Hills above LA has sold for

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Speaker 1: just under its one point eight million dollar listing. Heidi

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Speaker 1: has moved out of the house and is trying to

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Speaker 1: keep her location off the grid to avoid more media attention.

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Speaker 1: The Tower Grove mansion is bought by an Italian named

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Speaker 1: Federico Pignatelli, whose fortune comes from manufacturing laser dental products

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Speaker 1: in San Clemente. Heidiflice is still the subject on everyone's lips.

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Speaker 1: In July of nineteen ninety four, at long last, Heidi

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Speaker 1: is able to unveil physical prototypes of her new clothing

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Speaker 1: line of sleepwear and casual accessories, Heidiwear. The first ever

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Speaker 1: Heidiwear store opens in Pasadena. A tan and relaxed looking

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Speaker 1: Heidi is there manning the Hidiwear counter herself and offering

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Speaker 1: to autograph any item in the store, which sells the

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Speaker 1: infamous Hidiwear boxers with the condom pocket, as well as

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Speaker 1: T shirts, leggings, and tank tops with prices that top

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Speaker 1: out at thirty bucks. It's a branded capsule collection and

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Speaker 1: ahead of its time notion that will eventually take over

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Speaker 1: sleepware and streetwear and lead the world to where we

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Speaker 1: have Savage by Fenti, a capsule collection of lingerie sold

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Speaker 1: to me by a famous person. There is also Get This,

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Speaker 1: a hotline you can call to order stuff from Heidiwar.

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Speaker 1: The number is one eight hundred Heidi PJ. Obviously, I

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Speaker 1: called it to see what happens now, and the answer

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Speaker 1: is it's a sex party hot line. And because I

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Speaker 1: am a podcast detective, I wondered what happened when you

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Speaker 1: call other old hot lines? So I called the hot

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Speaker 1: line one eight seven seventeen her, which is the hot

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Speaker 1: line that Paul Thomas Anderson made an infomercial for and

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Speaker 1: assunt to promote Magnolia, which starred Tom Cruise as Frank TJ. Mackie,

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Speaker 1: a seduction artist character. Let's just say that I called

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Speaker 1: the number a lot at that time, and it gave

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Speaker 1: you a pre recorded message of Tom Cruise as Frank TJ.

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Speaker 1: McKee inviting you into the seduce and destroy universe. Well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: guess what happens when you call it now? You get

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Speaker 1: the same sex party line that you get when you

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Speaker 1: call the Heidiwear number. Isn't that beautiful? I also called

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Speaker 1: the JJ the Beeper King hotline and found out you

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Speaker 1: got the same sex party line there, which is very satisfying.

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Speaker 1: It means that there's some company out there who is

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Speaker 1: buying up all the old hotlines for people who don't

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Speaker 1: have the Internet that still call sex hotlines like me.

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Speaker 1: While Heidi is ringing up the boxers at the Hidiwear store,

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Speaker 1: she and her father are getting their bells rung over

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Speaker 1: potential tax fraud. To get Heidi the loan for the

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Speaker 1: wildly expensive house, doctor Paul Flices had lied and inflated

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Speaker 1: his income. He had also said that he would live

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Speaker 1: property in Venice. The irs claims that Paul Flies helped

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Speaker 1: his hide assets and inflated his own income when he

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Speaker 1: co signed the loan, that he listed Heidi as a

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Speaker 1: dependent making thirty three thousand dollars a year on his

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two tax return, an income he said he

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Speaker 1: partially furnished. The indictment also claims Heidi had given checks

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Speaker 1: from clients to her father and younger sister Shana to

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Speaker 1: deposit for her part Heidie stars up and down that

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Speaker 1: her parents truly believed that she was working as a

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Speaker 1: realtor and counselor, and that they found out what she

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Speaker 1: doctor Paul fwis didn't know how much money his daughter

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Speaker 1: especially to buy property, but still wouldn't The crazy price

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Speaker 1: that something was up. Shana Flace thinks her parents were

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Speaker 1: in denial. They knew, but they didn't want to know.

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Speaker 5: It was like, we won't ask, and you don't have

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Speaker 1: Shana flies if Heidi was telling them she was working

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Speaker 1: as a realtor maybe they just thought she was getting

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Speaker 1: a really good deal, but the irs disagreed. In August

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Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety four, Heidi and her father, Paul Flice,

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Speaker 1: plead not guilty to the federal charges of tax evasion

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Speaker 1: and money laundering. It's just weeks before Heidi's other trial

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Speaker 1: for pandering.

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Speaker 6: If anyone should be embarrassed by all this, it should

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Speaker 6: be the government for charging Heidie with a victimless crime

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Speaker 6: and bringing these very peculiar charges against me. I don't

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Speaker 6: know why they're bringing this case. I didn't do anything.

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Speaker 6: Paul Fleish, pediatrician.

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Speaker 7: I don't think Dad knew what he was getting into.

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Speaker 1: Dad probably said, why would anyone loan you this money

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Speaker 1: when I'm a doctor and I couldn't get alone like that,

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Speaker 1: And it was probably like, just sign the papers and

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Speaker 1: watch me, Dad, I'll get the loan. Shana Flice is

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Speaker 1: not doing well herself. She has been told she might

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Speaker 1: be called into the case as well for cashing checks

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Speaker 1: from Heidi. She loves her sister, but her sister is

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Speaker 1: also the one who got her in a car wreck

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Speaker 1: that almost killed her and might now drag her into

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Speaker 1: a criminal case. As Heidi becomes one of the most

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Speaker 1: with heroin, first snorting, then smoking it, and finally shooting up.

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Speaker 1: After trying to go cold turkey twice, she goes to

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Speaker 1: that her dad helped her get, but emotionally, Shana is

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Speaker 1: still struggling with the turmoil of her family breaking down

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Speaker 1: so publicly. The trial of O. J. Simpson for the

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Speaker 1: murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman is said

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Speaker 1: to happen on the same day as Heidie's pandering trial

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Speaker 1: on September nineteenth, at the same place, the downtown Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles Criminal Courthouse. Everyone is salivating over what some are

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Speaker 1: calling the tabloid super Bowl. The courthouse says it's a coincidence.

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Speaker 1: Heidi's August trial was postponed because her lawyer had another

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Speaker 1: trial scheduled. Some think the judges behind the Heidi trial

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Speaker 1: pushed its date to verge with the OJ trial, figuring

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Speaker 1: the OJ trial will take some of the media glare

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Speaker 1: off of Heidi. Local journalists agree that OJ Simpson is

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Speaker 1: a bigger story because he was a national celebrity to

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Speaker 1: begin with, whereas the Heidi scandal is, in many ways

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Speaker 1: a small town story that has been blown out to

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Speaker 1: huge proportions because of its connection to Hollywood. A guy

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Speaker 1: named Aziz Mohammed, selling bootleg The Juice's Loose shirts for

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Speaker 1: the OJ trial outside the courthouse, tells a reporter he'd

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Speaker 1: consider making T shirts for Heidi two, but Heidi, of course,

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Speaker 1: already has her own line of T shirts. In September,

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Speaker 1: Heidi goes to court ordered drug rehab She's tested positive

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Speaker 1: six times in the last month, in violation at the

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Speaker 1: terms of her federal case. Her lawyer argues that the

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Speaker 1: drugs she tested positive for aren't hard drugs. She has

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Speaker 1: a prescription for valum, but she also tests positive for methmphetamines.

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Speaker 1: Heidi says someone spiked her Coca Cola with drugs at

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Speaker 1: a birthday party. She's been in federal custody in jail,

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Speaker 1: but she's now moved from the Metropolitan Detention Center to

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Speaker 1: a rehab house in Pasadena called Impact House. The trial

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Speaker 1: is rescheduled to start on November first. The La Times

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Speaker 1: runs a story saying that Heidiflais's celebrity has already peaked

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Speaker 1: and most people in town have moved on to the

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Speaker 1: OJ case, which is happening two doors down the hall.

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Speaker 1: One person who does show up is Norma Jean Almadovar,

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Speaker 1: a former LAPD officer who became a high end escort.

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Speaker 1: She's there to promote her new book, From Cop to

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Speaker 1: Call Girl.

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Speaker 7: I'm here to make sure she gets a fair trial.

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Speaker 5: In California, there's a tremendous prejudice against people in the

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Speaker 7: Norma Jean Almodovar sex worker former cop.

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Speaker 1: On November eleventh, a jury is assembled for the pandering

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Speaker 1: and coke possession trial. One perspective jurr believes prostitutions should

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Speaker 1: be legal. Another thinks the Bible forbids it, which to

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Speaker 1: me says they didn't close read the Bible. The religious

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Speaker 1: potential juror is cut loose. Heidi has a team of

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Speaker 1: lawyers that includes Anthony Brooklier and Donald Marx, who are

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Speaker 1: looking into whether Detective Sammy Lee's sting was conducted illegally.

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Speaker 1: The four girls who are expected to testify against Heidi

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Speaker 1: after being busted in the sting are Kimberly Birch, Peggy Shink,

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Speaker 1: Samantha Burdett, and Brandy Maclain. Randy has still been living

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Speaker 1: with Heidi on and off while working as a clerk

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Speaker 1: at the Heidiwear store. On November fifteenth, the courtroom hears

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Speaker 1: a tape of the sting that reveals what an absolute

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Speaker 1: slapstick fiasco it was. Heidi appears in court in a

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Speaker 1: blue suit with gold buttons furnished by her new outfitters,

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Speaker 1: Dulce and Gabbana. Her whole family is there, but Heidi

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Speaker 1: can barely face them. One of Heidi's lawyers, Donald Marx

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Speaker 1: makes an opening argument that the sting was entrapmant. He

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Speaker 1: says the cops pursued Heidi and coerced her into committing

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Speaker 1: a criminal act. Heidi's lawyers file emotion with the judge,

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Speaker 1: arguing the case should be dropped because the Johns aren't

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Speaker 1: being prosecuted. November sixteenth, Heidi wears a black suit with

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Speaker 1: velvet cuffs. Alan Carter and Anthony Brooklier examined Sammy Lee

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Speaker 8: Each officer asked the young lady basically, for fifteen hundred dollars,

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Speaker 8: what would they get. The answers ranged from straight sex,

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Speaker 8: to oral sex to what they wouldn't do. Detective Sammy Lee,

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Speaker 1: The girls said, for that amount of money, you could

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Speaker 1: get oral or straight sex, but no anal sex.

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Speaker 9: Heidi Flies didn't ask to be introduced to you. Correct,

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Speaker 9: It was your idea. You asked for her telephone number,

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Speaker 9: she didn't offer it. Correct. If you don't content her,

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Speaker 9: she probably never calls you, but you do call.

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Speaker 7: Correct.

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Speaker 9: Anthony Brookler, Heidi Flice's defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: On November seventeenth, Judge Judith L. Champagne rules that it's

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Speaker 1: irrelevant whether the Johns are charged. Later that day, Samantha

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Speaker 1: Burdett takes the stand in a mini skirt. Heidi is

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Speaker 1: wearing a gray pinstriped gwilchain and Gabana suit and appears

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Speaker 1: to be miserable. Burdette tells the story of the night

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Speaker 1: of the bust. She was offered fifteen hundred dollars to

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Speaker 1: meet some Hawaiian businessmen. She said she'd received anywhere between

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Speaker 1: one and ten thousand dollars for a job involving quote

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Speaker 1: sexual favors. Sammy Lee, undercover, asked for some cocaine, and

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Speaker 1: Burdett sold the officers two small bags of coke and

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Speaker 1: received cash for that on top of the fifteen hundred.

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Speaker 1: The men wanted her to do a dance, so she

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Speaker 1: started a strip tease, at which point Sammy Lee burst

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Speaker 1: back into the room to bust her. On November nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: the case rests. Heidi appears in court in a bone

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Speaker 1: white miniskirt suit again by Dulceangabana. In Old Town Pasadena

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Speaker 1: at the Hidiwear Store, business is brisk. According to a

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Speaker 1: Hidiwear Store employee who goes by the nickname squirrel hidiwear

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Speaker 9: This whole thing was a setup.

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Speaker 7: Correct.

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Speaker 8: Correct?

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Speaker 9: It was all arranged with the people in the next room.

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Speaker 9: Why did you need to hide a video camera in

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Speaker 8: Anytime you have a vice operation, the videotape is good

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Speaker 1: Of the four girls busted, all of whom flipped for immunity,

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Speaker 1: as is Peggy Shank, who has fled with her young kid.

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Speaker 1: Samantha Burdette and Kimberly Birch both testified that they were

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Speaker 1: Despite everyone in Hollywood freaking out that they'll be named,

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Speaker 1: girls for quote niko Akai speaks to the fact that

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Speaker 1: this was something she does regularly. He compares Heidi to

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Speaker 10: If Miss Flice was on trial for a speeding ticket,

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Speaker 10: the defense would say it's the government's fault because the

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Speaker 10: government built the highway. All detectively did was open up

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Speaker 1: Alan Carter. Prosecutor Anthony Brooklyer brings the focus back out

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Speaker 9: This is hypocrisy at its best. This is so serious,

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Speaker 9: Prostitution is legal in Nevada, just two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 9: to whether or not this is illegal. Yes, this is

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Speaker 9: not appropriate for law enforcement to induce the commission of

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Speaker 1: Brookliar calls the case an abuse of power by the cops,

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Speaker 1: the best use of twenty armed police officers and the

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Speaker 1: LA city budget. And he is appsol right. Alan Carter

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Speaker 1: almost gets it.

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Speaker 10: Recently, there's been a new twist. It's a bad twist.

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Speaker 10: I did it, but it's somebody else's fault. Yeah, I

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Speaker 10: arranged for those women, but it's Detective Lee's fault. If

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Speaker 10: we travel down that road, you all better buckle up

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Speaker 10: and lock up real type. Now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 10: the defendant is no longer on trial. It's the police

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Speaker 10: officers who are on trial.

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Speaker 1: Heidi is facing a sentence of eleven years for pandering.

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Speaker 1: The jury is made up of five women and seven men.

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Speaker 1: They go off to deliberate on the last day of

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Speaker 1: November when Heidi World returns. How the jurors deliberated. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Heidie World December third. One of the jurors

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Speaker 1: is a woman named Sheila Matrowski, a forty eight year

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Speaker 1: old phone company worker from Bell Gardens. Matrowski says the

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Speaker 1: jury was evenly split at first on Heidi's guilt. Four

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Speaker 1: Heidi should be acquitted. Nobody on the jury really buys

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Speaker 1: Tony Brooklier's argument about the sting being entrap meant. Four

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Speaker 1: days later, the jury comes back with their decision. Heidi

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Speaker 1: is convicted on three counts of pandering. They find her

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Speaker 1: a checkmate on the other two pandering counts. Heidi puts

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Speaker 1: first and second guilty verdicts, then sits back up and

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Speaker 1: slams the table with her fists. As the judge reads

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Speaker 1: Alan Carter declares the trial of success a triumph of morality.

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Speaker 10: People who go into the prostitution business are usually pretty

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Speaker 10: sad souls, and they're exploited by panderas.

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Speaker 1: Judge Judith L. Champagne sets a sentencing date of January

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Speaker 1: twenty first, Jerry four Women. Sila Metrowski is informed that

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Speaker 1: Heidi could get as many as eight years in jail

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Speaker 7: Oh no, that's way too much. You've got kids out

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Speaker 7: they get probation, Sheila Matrowski.

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Speaker 1: Jerry four Woman, So close, Sheila, You're so close. Maria Campos,

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Speaker 1: a thirty eight year old hospital receptionist from Northeast LA,

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Speaker 1: says the Jerry watched tapes of the sting repeatedly and

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Speaker 1: argued a lot. Jur Nancy Reyes, a twenty four year

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Speaker 1: guilty verdict. When she learns that Heidi will go to jail,

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Speaker 11: I don't think she should go to jail for it.

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Speaker 11: I just don't think it's fair that she has to

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Speaker 11: do time for something like this. It's upsetting. I mean, hey,

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Speaker 11: she didn't kill anybody.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Reyes, another juror, comments to the press under a

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Speaker 1: come out with a hung jury. They didn't realize that

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Speaker 1: if Heidi had been con on the coke charge but

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Speaker 1: it turns out, is a much more serious charge given

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Speaker 5: I heard some of them talking afterward on TV, and

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Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it. They thought they were doing me

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Speaker 5: a favor by convicting me of pandering rather than the

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Speaker 7: Heidi Flies.

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Speaker 1: Other jurors like forty two year old Department of Water

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Speaker 1: and Power worker Daryl Kittagawa believe firmly that justice was

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Speaker 1: served and that the police did not act inappropriately. After

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Speaker 1: the conviction, Heidi's bail is set at seventy five thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: There is no more hoping for a good outcome. Her

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Speaker 7: I'm still in shock.

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Speaker 5: Oh my heart has never beaten so fast. I heard

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Speaker 5: just couldn't hear anymore. I just went blank. My father

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Speaker 1: Her mother, Alyssa, gives a comment to the press about

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Speaker 1: how Heidi is being punished too harshly, referencing the Menendez

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Speaker 3: There's something flawed about people who can't decide about the

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Speaker 3: of society has been served by putting Heidi in jail Alyssa,

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Speaker 5: I don't care about anything but what's happening right now.

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Speaker 5: Even if the guys were going down to that wouldn't help.

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Speaker 1: Me, would it. The media is disappointed by the lack

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Speaker 1: to Vanity Fair by Heidi Fleis herself, which she immediately

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Speaker 1: Metrowski realizes when a legal expert explains entrapment that she

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Speaker 12: After I flew back home, I was sitting there watching

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Speaker 7: I thought, holy cow, I did that wrong.

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Speaker 1: Mtrowski also starts thinking about sex work and that forty

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Speaker 12: To me, there really and truly is that possibility. A

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Speaker 7: I feel very badly. I feel I'm made a mistake when.

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Speaker 12: I found her guilty of those three counts.

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Speaker 1: There's also gossip that Heidi has a new bow. Frank

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Speaker 1: Sinatra's son, Frank Sinatra Junior.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how all this stuff gets started. Heidi

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Speaker 4: going to run off to Vegas and get married. That's

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Speaker 4: so do I. Frank Sinatra Junior, Singer.

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Speaker 1: December thirteenth, A Ray of Hope for Heidi. Five jurors

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Speaker 1: Anthony Brooklyer wants to get Heidie's conviction overturned. With this statement,

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Speaker 1: gil Garcetti says, even if the verdict is overturned, Heidi

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Speaker 1: is on the case.

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Speaker 9: There were juror irregularities that occurred during the course of

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Speaker 9: and a true verdict. Though inadvertent, a real injustice has unfolded.

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Speaker 1: But jurors changing their minds after a case ends isn't

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Speaker 1: even worse sentence rather than a lighter one. But Heidi

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Speaker 5: My future was so bleak, so so bleak, and now

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Speaker 1: God am I happy.

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Speaker 5: It takes a lot of courage for anybody to come

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Speaker 5: forward and admit they did something wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's a very hard thing to do. Nineteen ninety five,

435
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Speaker 1: the mid nineties are here, and with them Heidi's fate.

436
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: Gil Garcetti is upset about LA's reputation as a place

437
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: where tawdry scandals involving famous people as all the media

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Speaker 1: cares about, so he invites local public television legend Jule

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00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Houser to the LA Courthouse to show him what it's

440
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: really like boring, mostly incredibly boring. The episode airs as

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Speaker 1: part of Hulhauser's show Visiting on the night before the

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Speaker 1: oj Simpson trial begins. December thirtieth, Heidi turns twenty nine

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00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: years old. Happy Birthday, Heidi. January twenty sixth, The Victoria

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00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: Sellers catches a felony drug charge for that traffic stop

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00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: where she asked the cops to fetch her purse and

446
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: they searched it. She's booked for possession of methamphetamine for

447
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: sale and also for having the downer diazepam. She has

448
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: brought to court in Van Nuys and sentenced to thirteen

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00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: days in jail and three years probation. January thirty first,

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Speaker 1: Judge Champagne agrees to hear the jurors testimony. February fourth,

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Speaker 1: the jury gets limited immune from being prosecuted for misconduct.

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Speaker 1: February twenty fourth, with immunity granted. The jurors cop to

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Speaker 1: what is called quote unquote horse trading, dealing behind closed doors,

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00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: and bargaining on votes. Five of the jurors wrongly thought

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00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: that the drug charge was a heavier charge than pandering

456
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Speaker 1: and thought they were helping Heidi get a lighter sentence

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Speaker 1: by voting not guilty on the drug charges. They were wrong,

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00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: but furthermore, they were clearly all completely confused. Judge Champagne

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Speaker 1: gets mad at Jerry four woman Shila Metrowski for not

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Speaker 1: reporting this to her when it was actually happening. Heidi

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00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: is at the courthouse watching wearing a gray turtleneck and

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Speaker 1: a gray skirt suit.

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Speaker 7: It's really hard, very very hard.

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Speaker 1: March first, Bernie Cornfeld dies. He had suffered a stroke

465
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: in December during a trip to Israel and dies of

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00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: pneumonia in a London hospital at the age of sixty six.

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00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Cornfeld and Heidi kept in touch long after their breakup,

468
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: and Heidi regarded him as both a mentor and perhaps

469
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: her great love. He was a hustler's hustler, which appealed

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00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: to Heidi sense for moneymaking. Although he'd moved to Europe

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00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: in the late eighties, to evade the irs over a

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00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: twelve million dollar debt. He was still trying to do

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00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: crazy deals, like trying to buy MGM Studios in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two with five hundred million dollars in cash. There

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00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: is also some evidence that he may have allegedly been

476
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: a CIA plant, fake rich guy, sort of like Jeffrey Epstein.

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00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: And I couldn't prove this obviously, but let's just say

478
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole exists. March twenty fifth, Judge judithel Champagne

479
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: rejects the bid for a retrial and sets Heidi sentencing

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Speaker 1: for May. She is dubious about jurors claims that they

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Speaker 1: swapped folks.

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Speaker 13: It is a parent to the court that with each

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Speaker 13: opportunity to describe the acts of misconduct, these acts of

484
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 13: misconduct seemed to grow a little like Pinocchio's nose.

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Speaker 1: Judge Judith L.

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Speaker 7: Champagne, So we got a little comedian on the bench.

487
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 7: Sounded like she didn't believe us.

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Speaker 12: But we wouldn't have put ourselves on a limb to

489
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 12: make the statements we did.

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00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 7: If we weren't telling the truth. I feel it's very

491
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 7: unfair to Heidi. It's really tough.

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00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: As desperate as Heidi might be. At least Heidiwear is

493
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: doing well. Chrissy Teagan, who followed me for some reason,

494
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: responded to one of my posts on Twitter announcing this podcast,

495
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: saying that her mom took her to the old town

496
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Pasadena Heidiwear store when she was a kid to get

497
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Speaker 1: Heidie's autograph, which might make an impression on you about

498
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: how celebrity works. Heidiwear is selling like crazy, and Heidi

499
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 1: even wants to open a second Hidiwear store, but her

500
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: pesky meddling trials keep getting in the way. On May eleventh,

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Speaker 1: Paul Flices takes a plea bargain after refusing previous offers.

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00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: He agrees to plead guilty to lesser charges to get

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Speaker 1: his sentence reduced. He wears a gray pinstriped suit in

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00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: court and has a nervous habit of smiling and tapping

505
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Speaker 1: his fingers.

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Speaker 6: I was aware that she had a misdemeanor gambling conviction.

507
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 6: I was aware that she had income, but I had

508
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 6: no special knowledge.

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00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: With the plea bargain, he is up for only four

510
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: to ten months in jail, which could conceivably be served

511
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: at home. With an electronic bracelet in his plea bargain,

512
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: Paul fly says he was aware that Heidie was working

513
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Speaker 1: in the sex business. According to the court, doctor Fleiss

514
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: admitted that in nineteen ninety he knew Heidi was making

515
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: money illegally from a booky business. A third party, possibly

516
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: his daughter Shana, told him Heidi was running a call

517
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: roller ran in nineteen ninety two, the year he led

518
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: her deposit seventy thousand dollars and two of his bank accounts.

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Speaker 6: I love Heidi, She's my daughter. I love her very much.

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00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 6: I'm still quite worried about my daughter.

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00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 5: I have my own problems.

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00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: I have so many problems.

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Speaker 3: This is just another example of Paul's lovingness and his

524
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: concerned for the family. Paul did nothing wrong. He was

525
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: just doing the expedient thing for the sake of the family.

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Speaker 1: In the plea bargain, Paul Flice admits to helping his

527
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: daughter even when he knew she was running an legal business.

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00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: He helped her get a car loan to buy her

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00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: corvette by taking the loan out in his name and

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00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: taking cash from Heidi to pay it off, and he

531
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: also helped her get the million dollar home loan for

532
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: the Tower Grove estate by filling out the loan application

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00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: with falsified information, and.

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Speaker 5: It's very difficult for a twenty five year old girl

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00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 5: to get a loan or insurance on a core Vaught.

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00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: He was doing what a lot of parents with money

537
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: do for their kids, for better or worse, almost always

538
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: for worse, and he didn't care about the possible illegality

539
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: of the money because he's a man of the seventies.

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00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: You can look at it as he just wanted to

541
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: help his daughter, or that he was spoiling her and

542
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: enabling her, helping her get the material goods that would

543
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: ensure her downfall, or both. It's complicated. On May nineteenth,

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00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: Heidi's lawyer in the irs case tries one last time

545
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: to get the charges dismissed. He argues that they're treating

546
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: his client like she's al capone. It does not work.

547
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: She's also up for sentencing in the pandering case for

548
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: somewhere between eighteen months and eight years. She is trapped

549
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: in a reality that is genuinely kafa esque. She knows

550
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: she's being used by the City of la by the

551
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: cops and the courts and the district attorney to make

552
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: it look like they take action on crime, but she's

553
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: well aware that the seriousness of her crimes pales in

554
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: comparison to a billion other things, and from her previous

555
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: experiences with the cops after her friend Wendy Tar was murdered,

556
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: she knows that the LAPD don't really do shit, especially

557
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: for victims of sexual assault.

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00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 5: The whole thing is so ridiculous, especially right now with

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00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 5: everything going on in the world, like the prison overcrowding,

560
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: the bombing in Oklahoma City. To spend this much time

561
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 5: and money on me, it is crazy. I think I've

562
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 5: been punished enough.

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Speaker 1: When Heidi World returns, Heidi faces sentencing and her future.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Heidi World. May twenty fifth, Judgment day.

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Speaker 1: Heidi appears in court wearing a gray miniskirt suit. Judge

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Speaker 1: Judith L. Champagne has weighed the arguments made by Alan

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00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: Carter for the prosecution and Anthony brook Leer and his

568
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: team for her defense.

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Speaker 10: We're dealing with someone who prays on the young, the naive.

570
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 10: She steers impressionable people in the wrong direction. That kind

571
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 10: of conduct needs to be punished.

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00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 9: Your honor. No one was hurt in this case, no

573
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 9: one was coerced, and no one operated under duress. All

574
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 9: my client did was arranged consensual sex between consenting adults.

575
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: Judge Champagne sentences Heidi to three years for pandering and

576
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: finds her fifteen hundred dollars. Heidi shows no emotion in court, numb.

577
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 7: It's like sex.

578
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: It's the worst crime on earth.

579
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 7: It's ridiculous. No one lost money, no one got hurt.

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00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 13: This was a highly sophisticated and lucrative criminal enterprise. It

581
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 13: cannot be called a victimless crime. It's very degrading and

582
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 13: it does take its toll.

583
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Speaker 1: Alan Carter had asked for four years for Heidi. Judge

584
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: Champagne opted for three, which is the shortest mandatory sentence

585
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: for pandering. Heidi's family is horrified, seeing this as a

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00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: miscarriage of justice.

587
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: Seeing your child locked up is a nightmare. That's what

588
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 3: happens when they make laws one size fits all, They

589
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: indict people where it really is inappropriate.

590
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: Heidi thinks Alan Carter is a total hypocrite who infantilizes

591
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: women for choosing sex work.

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00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: He said they're stupid and I degraded them. He's the

593
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 5: one who's really bashing them.

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00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: Heidi posts a two hundred thousand dollars bond and files

595
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: an appeal. She's allowed out on bail during the appeal,

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00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: which can take up to a year. May thirty first,

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00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, Heidi opens a second Hidiwear store in

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Speaker 1: Santa Monica on the Third Street Promenade. The first Hidiwear

599
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: store has moved to a prime location in old Town Pasadena,

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00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: which is an open air mall that's like the Grove

601
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: for people from the past. The best selling item at

602
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: both Heidiwear stores is the boxer shorts with the condom pocket.

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Speaker 1: June second, the La Times publishes some letters from people

604
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: who are angry about the city budget being spent on

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00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: the Heidi Flights trial at a time when hospitals are

606
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: in danger of closing down due to lack of funds.

607
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: People write in to support Heidi, saying it's outrageous that

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00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: she might go to prison while the men who got

609
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: her in trouble walk away without a scratch. June ninth,

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00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: the judge in the federal case refuses to drop Heidi's charges.

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00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: June thirtieth, the opening day of the federal irs trial.

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Speaker 5: I'm scared as hell, but I've got to remain optimistic.

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Speaker 1: This time. Some of the witnesses called our clients. The

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Speaker 1: first John to take the stand in the federal trial

615
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: is film and TV producer Howard Schlinker, former owner and

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00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: stakeholder and sports teams like the Denver Nuggets and the

617
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: Houston Rockets. He cops to writing five checks for a

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00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: total of seventeen thousand dollars to Heidi for sexual services rendered.

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Speaker 1: Manuel Santos, president of Dubisco, Mexico and real estate developer

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00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: from Monterrey, also testifies that he wrote checks totaling forty

621
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for prostitutes from Heidi all through nineteen ninety two.

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00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: He says on the stand that he often sent his

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Speaker 1: private jet to pick up the Heidi girls and fly

624
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: them to Mexico. Christina Watkins, an actress from the San

625
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: Fernando Valley who worked for Heidi, testifies that she had

626
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: sex with clients in Las Vegas, Paris, and Greece. Two

627
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: girls confirmed that the money was often dispensed in cash envelopes,

628
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: which they'd bring to Heidi's house, where she'd take her

629
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: forty percent cut and give them the rest. Samantha Burdett

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00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: testifies that her first client wrote her a check for

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Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars for sex. July eleventh, I had a

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Speaker 1: good run, Alex Fleming. Madam Madame Alex is laid up

633
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: at cedar Cy and I Hospital in her beloved Beverly Hills.

634
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: She is only sixty years old, but she is dying.

635
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: Complications from heart surgery put her on life support. Despite

636
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: their contentious relationship, Heidi is devastated, as is another one

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00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: of Alex's longtime frenemies.

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Speaker 8: It's like losing a friend.

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Speaker 11: In all the years we've played cat and mouse, she

640
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 11: never once tried to corrupt me. Fred Klapp retired LPED

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Speaker 11: Vice Officer.

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00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: Madame Alex's health, which has been terrible for years, deteriorated

643
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: further and she ended up in the hospital and her deathbed. Heidi,

644
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: who despite it all, really did care for Madam Alex

645
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: in some way, went to visit her when she heard

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Speaker 1: that she was dying.

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Speaker 5: When Alex was dying in the hospital, she listed me

648
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 5: as a family member. The hospital called me every day

649
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 5: at my Heidiewar store and wanted to know what I

650
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 5: was coming by.

651
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 7: I stayed with her as.

652
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 5: Much as I could. I went out of my way

653
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 5: to make her laugh and feel better, and then something

654
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 5: happened that brought back all the terrible things that she

655
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: had done to me. On my way in, the head

656
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 5: nurse and the ICU showed me a list of people

657
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 5: who had.

658
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: Been there that day.

659
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 5: The name Detective Sammy Lee was on the list, and

660
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 5: it made me rethink what I was doing there.

661
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: On the day that Heidi's federal trial begins, Madam Alex

662
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: dies when her life support is disconnected. Heidi has conflicting

663
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: feelings about her mentor's death. In her book Pandering, she

664
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: writes an open letter about Alex.

665
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 5: I always loved and respected her, although at times she

666
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 5: made it difficult. I have said things in the past

667
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 5: that were unkind, but it was always a reaction to

668
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 5: some unbelievable act of betrayal on her part. Time after

669
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 5: time I would call her on the phone and forgive her.

670
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: I would actually nothing had happened between us. I learned

671
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 5: to understand that her extreme verbal abuse, paranoia, and backstabbing

672
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 5: was just who she was. I think Alex had a

673
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 5: bizarre kind of love for me, which justified the terrible

674
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 5: things she did to me. We had a close relationship

675
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 5: because of our business and complex lifestyles. No other person

676
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 5: can relate to the things we dealt with. We spoke

677
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 5: on the phone for hours and hours and hours every

678
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: day for five years. The only time we would not

679
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 5: speak was when Alex would do or say something evil

680
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 5: to me and I would have to take a break

681
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 5: to deal with my feelings.

682
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: Heidi then RecA on something incredibly anti semitic. Alex said

683
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: to her that I do not have to repeat here,

684
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: but feel free to read the book. She says. Alex

685
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: was a mass of contradictions. She demanded loyalty and silence,

686
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: but she was a paid police informant who talked about

687
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: her trade with the tabloids. In court, the federal judge

688
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: orders to the stand. Mister Charlie Sheen. Judy Geller is

689
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: a USC grad whose father is a prestigious San Francisco lawyer.

690
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: She was also a Heidi girl who went on fifty

691
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: plus out calls. She estimates Heidi's take at sixty thousand

692
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: a month and testifies that Charlie Sheen was a major customer.

693
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: She was sent out on calls to Schlenker, Santos, and Sheen.

694
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen is shooting a movie called Shadow Conspiracy in Washington,

695
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: d C. And plans to give his deposition on videotape.

696
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: He is granted immunity for testifying. July twentieth, an FBI

697
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: handwriting expert says Heidi forged her father and sister signatures

698
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: on ESCRO documents and checks from clients. Special Agent William

699
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: Hellman compared handwriting samples and says that Heidi didn't even

700
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: attempt to hide her handwriting while forging the checks. July

701
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: twenty first, the.

702
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: Checks were for sexual services hetero sexual services Charlie Sheen actor.

703
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: The jurors watched the Charlie Sheen tape. No, not the

704
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: sex tape of Charlie Sheen with Heidi girls that also existed.

705
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: The deposition he taped while filming on location in DC.

706
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: A sweaty, fidgety Sheine SIPs ice water on screen while

707
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: he admits to ordering girls from Heidi that he paid

708
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: for in cash at least twenty seven times from nineteen

709
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: ninety one to nineteen ninety three. The seven checks used

710
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: in court total fifty thousand dollars. Sheen says he is

711
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: now engaged to a model named Donna Peel. He claims

712
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: under oath he cannot remember the names of any of

713
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: the Heidi girls he spent time with, even the ones

714
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: he repeatedly proposed to. He also says he never gave

715
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: money to Heidi, just her employees. He puts out a statement.

716
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: I apologize to my family, my future wife, my close

717
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: friends for all embarrassment these incidents may have cussed. I

718
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: offer no other explanation for my actions, only the truth,

719
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: which is contained in every detail within my testimony. I

720
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't call it the past if it wasn't.

721
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: Shana Flies is also called to the stand to testify

722
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: against her sister, but starts weeping. Shana tries to make

723
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: eye contact with Heidi, who stares down at her feet

724
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: and can't look at her sister in the eye. Shana

725
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: says she's incapable of testifying against her sister, striking a

726
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: blow to the prosecution who were expecting her to be

727
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: a star witness. Blood is thicker than water. District Judge

728
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: Consuelo B. Marshall, who is presiding over the federal trial,

729
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: holds Shane of Flies in contempt of court and puts

730
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: her on house arrest. July twenty second, Heidi's mother, Alyssa

731
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: ashe testifies that the Fly's family is so close. They

732
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: share money and bank accounts pretty freely, the way people

733
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: now share Netflix accounts.

734
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: Sometimes we forget who owes what to whom.

735
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: The irs doesn't care. Assistant US Attorney Alejandro Majorca says

736
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: Heidi needs to quote pull her load, which is an

737
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: amazing choice of words. Majorca says Flice should work as

738
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: hard at paying her tax debt to the US government

739
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: as she did at building her prostitution business. August eleventh,

740
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, Heidi is convicted in her federal trial

741
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: on six counts of money laundering, one count of conspiracy,

742
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: and one count of tax evasion. Wearing another tandulchain cabana suit,

743
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: Heidie starts weeping when the verdict is announced. Once again,

744
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: the jury seems unsure of what exactly they're doing. A

745
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: journ named Deona Watson feels immediate regret, saying that John

746
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: should have at least been prosecuted too. Jay Leno, who

747
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: is at the peak of his run of O. J.

748
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: Simpson material during the other Big LA trial, makes time

749
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: for one last joke about Heidie Fwie, whose truthfulness stings.

750
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 9: I think the woman of the point when a woman

751
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 9: at the rest of her prostitution.

752
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: She's jailed. You know what happens to a man, It's reelective.

753
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: He September first, Heidi is having dinner with friends at

754
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: the Ivy at the shore. One of her friends is

755
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: doctor Stephen Hofflin, who is Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon. After dinner,

756
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: they take a walk down the Santa Monica Pier when

757
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: they hear a loud splash followed by a man screaming

758
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: for his life in the water. Steve Hoflin jumps in

759
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: the water and rescues the suicidal drowning man. Well, Heidie

760
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: runs to call nine one one from a payphone.

761
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 7: Steve didn't even think twice.

762
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 5: He dove in with his wallet and beeper and everything.

763
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: Heidi runs into the piers arcade and finds the harbor patrol,

764
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: who take a rescue boat out and are able to

765
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: save the suicidal man's life. Also in September, Charlie Sheen

766
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: gets married. He weds Don Appeal in Malibu. At Paul

767
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: Flice's hearing in a courthouse packed with his friends and supporters,

768
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: Doctor Paul Fleis receives word he will get a one

769
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: day sentence with probation. Now for yet another crazy story

770
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: about another crazy guy that will make sense why I'm

771
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: telling it when I get to the very end. A

772
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: music executive known as good Time Charlie Minor is shot

773
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: to death by a spurned girlfriend at his beach house

774
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: in Malibu. Charlie Minor is known for hosting all night

775
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: parties every Saturday and for his constant revolving door of

776
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: beautiful young women in bikinis. He's the king of what's

777
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: called payola, where record companies ply radio programmers with money

778
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: and sometimes even drugs, and call girls if they agree

779
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: to play certain records on the air. Miner helped promote

780
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: stars like Janet Jackson and Sting to the top of

781
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: the charts, but he had fallen in status and was

782
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: now working for the music payola magazine Hits. Coincidentally, I

783
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: had my first ever internship in the media business at

784
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: age forty seven. Good Time Charlie was allegedly trying to

785
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: cut back on his hard partying lifestyle. He quit doing

786
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: drugs and cut down on drinking, but he had one

787
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: remaining vice. Sex. His friends called him a womanizer and

788
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: a natural promoter who enjoyed his life to the very fullest,

789
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: and like Heidi and Madame Alex. Charlie Minor was known

790
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: for his ability to work the phones. Susette McClure was

791
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: a twenty seven year old exotic dancer who Charlie Minor

792
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: met at a Westside strip club called Bailey's twenty twenty

793
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: Gentleman's Club when he was there taking out some radio programmers.

794
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: One night, Susette McClure showed up at the Beach House

795
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: without calling first and found Minor with another woman. When

796
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: he said he didn't want to see her again, she

797
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: shot him in the head nine times. McClure's friends say

798
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: that she was a smart, sensitive cal poly pomonagraph who

799
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: became a topless dancer when her aerospace job at the

800
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes Aircraft Plant in Long Beach was downsized by

801
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: post Cold War budget cuts. Why am I telling you

802
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: this story, you might wonder yet again, because good time.

803
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: Charlie Minor allegedly also had Heidi Flie's number in his rolodex.

804
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: The focus of the Heidi Flight's investigation was mostly the

805
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: film industry, but would it be even a little bit

806
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: surprising if music industry execs were also involved. Anyway, the

807
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: death had nothing to do with Heidi's operation. It was

808
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: just connected back to everyone knowing each other. October nineteen

809
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: ninety five, BBC producer director Nick Broomfield's documentary about Heidi,

810
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: called Heidi Flyes Hollywood Madam airs on Cinemax. Heidi attends

811
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: the runway shows at California's Fashion Expo to promote heidiwear

812
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: in advance of her jail sentence. She sits for a

813
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: show from a line called misk short from Miscellaneous, where

814
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: one of the outfits is modeled by another woman who

815
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: used the fact that she was once the center of

816
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: a big scandal in La to forge a career as

817
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: a sort of professional celebrity and actress Tracy Lord's Heidiflies

818
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 1: is now thirty years old and headed to jail. Even

819
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: her family can't help her now as she prepares to

820
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: face her fate, but there remains a lingering sense among

821
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: the public that justice has not really been served here.

822
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: The show trial of Heidi Flies has backfired on the

823
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: LAPD when it comes to the court of public opinion,

824
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: but it has achieved its ultimate goal to scare and

825
00:54:49,880 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: silence sex workers. Next time on Heidi World, Heidi gets

826
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: out of jail and finds new fame in the burgeoning

827
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: genre of reality television. Meanwhile, her cousin Mike Flice invents

828
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: and gets rich off creating a new reality show about

829
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: choosing a beautiful woman out of a lineup of beautiful women,

830
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: called The Bachelor,