1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. I'm a mother of three, 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: two working parents who love our careers and our families. 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. In 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: this episode, we're going to be tackling the topic of aging, 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: something that we are all doing because the alternative is 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: much worse, So we're trying to have a open mind 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: about it and embracing all the things that come with 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: getting older. Sarah, are you embracing everything that comes with 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: getting older? 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: No, I mean some what I don't feel. I mean, 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, as everybody says, aging is certainly better than 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: the alternative, and I one hundred percent agree with that, 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: and I feel very lucky to generally be very healthy. 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: But we all have things that we have to learn 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: to deal with, to learn to accept and so that 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: is what spawned this episode. In addition to the fact 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: that there's lots of birthdays. 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: Coming up, we are not actually airing this on my birthday. 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: I was like, we do aging episode. Ooh, we could 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: air that on Laura's birthday. And then I'm like, no, 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about my birthday and aging 30 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: and be so like obviously linked that way. Anyway, So 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: like when you were growing up, I'm very curious, like 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: what were your attitudes about aging and like what did 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: you sort of absorb in your household and especially as 34 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: it comes to like women aging. 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is so fascinating. So hi, Mom, 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: if you're listening. I don't know if my mom listens 37 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: very often, but if you are high, she never talked 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: about aging, didn't do a much discussion about really anything 39 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: related to looks or beauty or anything like that. It 40 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: just like has never been part of her value system. 41 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: Like I feel like she values health and stuff like that. 42 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: But like I used to joke that, like she had 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: this makeup and I would like sneak and look at it, 44 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: and I think it was from the mid seventies and 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: by then it was like the nineties, So like they're just, 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: They're just And I don't know if it was like 47 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: an early women's lib thing like from the sixties, like 48 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: it's not feminist to care about your appearance or something 49 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: like that. And I don't mean to say that she 50 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: was like looking terrible, but it just wasn't like there 51 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: was no skincare going on. She did begin coloring her hair, 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: maybe in her fifties for a period of time, and 53 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I remember being like somewhat shocked by that because it 54 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: actually did not mesh with like kind of like the 55 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: vibe that I had grown up with expecting. So yeah, 56 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I have friends who will tell me that 57 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: their parents like bought them the three step clinque system 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: and always taught them to moisturize, or some savvy grandmother 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: that said, like, always wear sunglasses to prevent wrinkles. But 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: I did not get any of that growing up. That 61 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: is not to say that I didn't care about my 62 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: looks or more superficial things. In some ways, I think 63 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: it was a form of rebellion to want to buy 64 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: makeup and care about that kind of stuff, But it 65 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: just wasn't what I was bathed in, how about you. 66 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it certainly didn't get a whole lot of 67 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: information on skincare or anything associated with that. Anything I've 68 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: done is sort of that I've more figured out on 69 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: my own, but I do yeah, So I don't have 70 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: particular memories of it. I do know that I read 71 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: somewhere and I think this is when I was a 72 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: teenager about hair, that you could have long hair until 73 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: age thirty and then it needed to be shoulder length 74 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: or shorter, and by forty it should be chin length 75 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: or shorter, which I now think is absolutely crazy, like 76 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: that this was the rule that was out there, because 77 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: most of the women I know who are forty plus 78 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: have long hair now, and so I don't know if 79 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: this is a total change of what aging is supposed 80 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: to look like, that you're allowed to keep your long 81 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: hair into your forties. But with that, no one I 82 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: know has wrinkles on their foreheads. This is such a 83 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: revelation to me. For a long time, I had wrinkles 84 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: on my foreheads, and at some point you have this realization, 85 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: like why does nobody else have wrinkles on their foreheads? 86 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost like if you didn't know that 87 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: people like shave their armpits and you went to the 88 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: beach and you're like, wait a minute, why why does 89 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: everybody look different than me? And so it was this 90 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: revelation I was like, oh, yeah, everyone is getting botox. 91 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: It's not that I am the only person in my 92 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: late thirties with wrinkles on my forehead and everyone else 93 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: has been so, you know, genetically blessed not to experience this. 94 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: It's that everyone is getting it done. Most people I 95 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: know do not have great, great hair. That's another thing, 96 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: like it's just not seen as something you do. You 97 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: dye your hair, you get botox, and I'm sure there 98 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: are people I know in real life for are like 99 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: I don't do that. Okay, fine, I'm not saying everyone. 100 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: But it was to the point where I was noticing 101 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 2: it that it would just seem like not acceptable to 102 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: have short, gray hair and wrinkles on your forehead in 103 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: your mid forties, or. 104 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: At least not typical, not to be unusual, it would 105 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: be unusual. 106 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: And so I guess in that way aging we were 107 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: all pushing off aging as long as the cosmetic and 108 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: various other things in the world will will let us 109 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: do so. But partly, I mean it's also that many 110 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: people still have like little kids in their mid forties 111 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: at this point too, right, Like you're not in grandma mode. 112 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: Nobody I know in their mid forties is a grandma either. 113 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: So it's like, you know. 114 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: That's so true. I mean, obviously that's very specific to 115 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: different demographics and things like that, because there are plenty 116 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: of people out there who are in there. 117 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: Of course, there are tons of grandma's in their forties, 118 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: like I've been saying there is, And that's not like 119 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: you're not even talking about teen pregnancy thing here. You 120 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: can very much have a grandchild in your mid to 121 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: late forties and it would be totally normal. But there's 122 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: been that sort of demographic shift where a lot of 123 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: people are actually having their final child in like their 124 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: late thirties early forties, and so I've skipped an entire 125 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: generation here. But if you're still in that young kid mode, 126 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: you probably don't feel like you should reflect that how 127 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: you look. 128 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: And you're kind of an interesting one there because you 129 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: have kids that are on the older side of the spectrum. 130 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: And I can think of like some friends or people 131 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: I know that have kids that are like in the 132 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: high school years and they're almost at the empty nest 133 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: phase in their mid forties, whereas you're getting that part. 134 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: But then you're also like, oh no, no, no, my 135 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: empty nest is like. 136 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: Way more than a decadears in the teaching. 137 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: So it does kind of change because then you're going 138 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: to the preschool bash with all the like thirty year 139 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: old or thirty two year old moms that have their 140 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: first kid. That is your youngest age. So it does 141 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: put you a kind of an interesting situation and you 142 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: kind of span such a generation there. 143 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, although they probably there aren't that many moms and 144 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: they're early thirties with the preschool. That's another thing that's 145 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: become apparent as well, that having Jasper in my twenties 146 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: was still for you know, this area and for the 147 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: circles you wind up in it is still pretty young. 148 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: So I see that reflected at the high school and 149 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: then you know, I'm not so out of line there. 150 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: Preschool maybe a bit more out of line, but anyway, 151 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: so yeah, I feel maybe there's like some less carte 152 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: blanche to age visibly at this point. So we wind 153 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: up doing stuff. I mean, so we could both say 154 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: we both got botox, We're okay. 155 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to go through like lists of what 156 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: we do. I think people want to know. 157 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So how have your forties differed from your 158 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: thirties so far? 159 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: Sarah, Well, you know, on the beauty regimen's side, I 160 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: started getting botox right around forty. I remember my husband 161 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: was like really, like why, and I'm like, nope, doing 162 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: it for me, doing it because everyone else is doing it. 163 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: I feel better when I do. So I'm doing it, 164 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: and I do find it pretty helpful from an energy perspective. 165 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: I know, like I'm supposed to feel more tired, don't 166 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: really feel more tired. Maybe that's coming. Maybe that's more 167 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: of the fifties thing. I find that exercise really helps 168 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: my energy. I'm in a really good exercise groove, thankfully 169 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: running again after my injury, and so I I don't 170 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: feel too tired, which is great. I mean, late at 171 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: night I'm tired, but I've gone a really early I 172 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: have a good, nice window of seven hours of sleep 173 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: and then the rest of the time being pretty energetic. 174 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: I will say like pregnancy was harder in my late 175 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: thirties than it was in my early thirties, but it's 176 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: always hard to compare that because my first pregnancy I 177 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: didn't have any kids, so I would like come home 178 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: and put my feet up, and like I had no 179 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: other real of responsibilities other than work, Whereas by the 180 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: time I had Genevie, if I had like a three 181 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: year old and a five year old, you know, they 182 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: were very active. So that's a little harder to compare. 183 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: I do feel like alcohol is less agreeable to my 184 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: body in my forties compared to my thirties. Like I 185 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: know that if I drink like two glasses of wine 186 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: then I'm going to really not be happy, and that 187 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: I generally sleep better with zero in my system. So 188 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: I kind of only drink socially and I generally stick 189 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: to one or one and a half, like all sometimes 190 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: order that second drink and halfway through and be like, yeah, 191 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be happy about this tomorrow and just 192 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: like not finish it on purpose. And I feel like 193 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: when I was thirty that would never have even occurred 194 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: to me. And then hair, so I have not started 195 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: coloring my hair. I do have like some gray hairs, 196 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: but it's pretty subtle. And so I'm just like kind 197 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: of riding this train for as long as I feel 198 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: comfortable riding it. I'm not really excited about coloring it 199 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: because I already spend so much time straightening it, and 200 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: I feel like my hair is going to be very 201 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: hard to match. So if I just end up with 202 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: a gray streaks that gradually turns into gray, that just 203 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: like might be my thing, that'll be your thing. I'll 204 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: have to work, you know, really work. I'd be like 205 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: Stacy London. 206 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's true, she has the nice gray streaks. 207 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 2: How are my forties different from my thirties, Well, I 208 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: don't know. My back hurts. I still trying to sort 209 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: that one out because I, you know, I've managed to 210 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: mostly solve other issues. You know, I had this really 211 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 2: boring reflux related condition that I don't need to go into, 212 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: but I you know, the resulting that I take medication 213 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: for that and don't eat dairy products, and that has 214 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: ninety percent solved it. Right, Like, I have an episode 215 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: every two weeks or so, and I am reminded of 216 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: how terrible it was when this was every day, But 217 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: it isn't every day anymore. So that is great, you know, 218 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: so in that sense, life is better. But then my 219 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: back started hurting, so I was like, well, you know, 220 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 2: you go from one thing to the other. So I 221 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: don't know, you know, maybe maybe if I lost five 222 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: to ten pounds that might improve, but maybe not. I'm 223 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: trying to do a lot of stretching and back exercises 224 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: to strength in it and you know, core exercises to 225 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: try and take some of the pressure off of it 226 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: and hopefully figuring that out over time. We'll say that 227 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: will be the next frontier of attempting to solve aging 228 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: related issues. 229 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: All right, Well, now we're going to take a little 230 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: bit of a deeper dive into skincare. I already confess 231 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: to my botox, but hopefully or not hopefully, but in 232 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: some cases people do more than that. So I would 233 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: say I am like not a minimalist, but I don't 234 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: do a ton of like proactive different things. So my 235 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: current routine is usually at well, I do wash my face. 236 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: I usually use fresh soy face wash, which I got 237 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: that wreck from a friend and it has an amazing 238 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: job of being super gentle but also taking off makeup. 239 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: And I use cetopel in the shower, so super cheap 240 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: kind of version of that. And then I do a 241 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: daily tinted moisturizer every day that has sunscreen like SPF 242 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: I think thirty five or forty, so that way my 243 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: face is always at least somewhat protected from the sun. 244 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: I try to use some kind of product that has 245 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: retinol in it. In the evening, I went back to 246 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: the Ullwer beauty box, and so usually I use whatever 247 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: they send me that has retinol in it. So the 248 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: product varies, but it's an incredibly cost effective way to 249 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: have some really nice products. And maybe the concentration varies 250 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: and that's probably not ideal, but it works okay. And then, 251 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: as I mentioned the botox, I gotta say I probably 252 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: did myself a favor going to the dermatologist the last time, 253 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: because I was finally like, fine, you can do a 254 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: skin check too, because normally I just go and get 255 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: my procedure, and then I got biopseed and then they're like, ooh, 256 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: that actually doesn't look good. Now you need the whole 257 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: thing off. So now I'm like, wow, my life was 258 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: saved by my vanity by your boatox. 259 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: That's great. Hey, I got you in the dirm office 260 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: and if they find something while they're there, that's that's good. Yeah. 261 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: So well, I'm curious what does the retinal do. 262 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: It's one of the few substances that there's data behind preventing. 263 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: It's anti aging, it helps skin turnover and preventative of frinkles. 264 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: So at least that's what my dorm says. She's like, 265 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: if you're going to use one thing, use something with retinol. 266 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: You can actually get products with retinyl prescription at a 267 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: very good price, especially if you have insurance that covers 268 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: some medications. And so some people go that route. But 269 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: I've just kind of gone the like, whatever label has 270 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: some retinol or retinal in it that I happen to have, 271 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: I'll use it. I do like the Luna face oil 272 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: from Sunday Riley, So when I'm really feeling splurgy, I 273 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: buy that and I use it because I like the 274 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: smell of it and the feel of it. 275 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: Oh well, maybe I'll try that. Yes, So I wash 276 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: my face, which is sadly a bit of a you know, 277 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: improvement on previous situation. I think I would always often 278 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: just like get annoyed about having to wash my face 279 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: at night and just kind of fall asleep. And that 280 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: turns out to not be a great idea in terms 281 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: of you know, just like blemishes and stuff like that 282 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: and having makeup still on your face. So a couple 283 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: of years ago I decided that I didn't have to 284 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: like it, but I did have to wash my face 285 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: every single night, and I have done it, done it 286 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: for four years now. I guess every single night, and I, 287 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: you know, use this Oh, I forget what the name is. 288 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 2: It's a it's a European it's like a Scandinavian name 289 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: or something. But it's an orange like truth juice or whatever. 290 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: It smells. Oh, hendricks ol Hendrickson, that's it. And it 291 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: smells nice and orange, which I like. And so I 292 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: use that at night, and then I use this grapefruit 293 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: like nutri gena wash in the shower in the morning, 294 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: and after I washed my face at night with warm 295 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: water because it turns out that part of the problem 296 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: was cold water. Like I don't want to put cold 297 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: water when I'm cold at night and going to bed, 298 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: I usually moisturize with something. And whatever that is is 299 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: going to be different depending on what have right now. 300 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: I have just like the random ola and a big bottle. 301 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: I've done the regeneroust tubs, the little tiny tubs of 302 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: more expensive stuff. I don't think it really matters and 303 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: just do whatever, because the truth is, you know, none 304 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: of those like truly get rid of your wrinkles. Like 305 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: to get rid of your wrinkles, you need to do attacks. 306 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: So now that I know that, I feel like, oh, 307 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: you don't have to do expensive moisturizers, which I also 308 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: started getting a few years ago. I mean, it's fine. 309 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: I like it. I don't think I would not do 310 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: it now just because I feel like I'd be too 311 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: wrinkly without it. It doesn't get rid of everything, like 312 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: I still have the stuff around my eyes, but the 313 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: ones on my forehead are basically gone for at least 314 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. But as they pointed out to me, 315 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: I seem to have a very fast metabolism, so it's 316 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: gone within a certain amount of time. So even just 317 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: doing it every three months, like I'm full on wrinkly 318 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: again by the end of three months. I guess that's 319 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: just just the way my wrinkles want to be. 320 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: Interesting. Mine definitely is wearing off by three months, as 321 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: I demonstrated to you when we got to see each other. 322 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I just got it two days 323 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: ago and it hasn't kicked in. So but I feel like, 324 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: it's not totally out of my system in that time period, 325 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: so it works. 326 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I also color my hair. You know, I 327 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: started doing this when I was fifteen, so it had 328 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: nothing to do with the grays, and I've just kept 329 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: pretty much the same color ever since. It's Laurel Preference 330 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: nine and a half A that's the ash toned light blonde. 331 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: And anyone who's seen picture of me. Somebody once said, well, 332 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: you got to show us pictures of the before and after, 333 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: and I said, I colored my own hair. I'm like, 334 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: it looked the same before as it does after because 335 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: it's been the same color for twenty plus, not twenty thirty, 336 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: almost thirty years, you know, So it's not like a 337 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: you're going to see a visible change, but it's just 338 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: I keep doing it. I'm pretty sure I have some 339 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: grays because when it grows in, I see a little 340 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: bit of gray and the top. It's not over the 341 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: top noticeable at this point, but I wouldn't even really 342 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: know because I just do it every you know, six 343 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: weeks or so, and so I keep the same color 344 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: and it's been fine. Yeah, I would think it would 345 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: blend really well with gray anyway, because it's hit. So 346 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, we know people say, well, women don't 347 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: get gray, or they just get blonder or as they 348 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: get older, and I guess that's the case. I just 349 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: keep the same blonde I always had. All right, Well, 350 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: we're going to take a quick ad break and we 351 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: come back. We'll be talking more about aging. All right, Well, 352 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: we are back with this episode talking about aging the 353 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: various things that we are doing in the process of 354 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: getting older, which, as we continue to point out, is 355 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 2: always better than the alternative. So, Sarah, you actually went 356 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: and did your skin check. That's good. Anything else did? 357 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: I mean? 358 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: I do my primary care type stuff. So I believe 359 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: it either was or is like a requirement for my 360 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: insurance to get the best rate in terms of like 361 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: for our healthcare system, Like you have to get a 362 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: flu shot, you have to certify that you're non smoking, 363 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: and then I don't even know if it's still in there, 364 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: but at one point you had to verify that you 365 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: saw your primary every year. And so I'm like in 366 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: the habit of doing it. I kind of like doing 367 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: it because I like to get labs because I don't know, 368 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: I want to see, like what my cholesterol does like 369 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: and that part's kind of fun. But I also have 370 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: to say when I had my injury recently, it was 371 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: really nice that I now know my PCP, like I've 372 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: seen him for like almost a decade now, not every 373 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: year probably, but close to it, and so he kind 374 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: of like knows my baseline and we have a rapport 375 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: and it just like makes it easier to be like, hey, 376 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: you know me, I'm gonna go crazy if I can't run, 377 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: like please help me, Like what do I do? What 378 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: do I need? And like he helped me get the 379 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: imaging I need and stuff like that. So I like 380 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: value that relationship and I do go to the o 381 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: B every year, although maybe I'll be less motivated to 382 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: do that because I've taken myself off of various medications. 383 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I do the basic stuff and 384 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: I don't mind doing it. I have not had my 385 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: first kolonoscopy yet, but I guess that's supposed to be 386 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: at forty five. And I do do mammograms, although I 387 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: really really dislike doing them, but it's I'm glad I 388 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: do good for you. 389 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: You are a good healthcare citizen. I am not as 390 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: good at a healthcare citizen. I don't know. I feel like 391 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 2: I got so burnt out with doctor visits with so 392 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: many babies over the years that I've just generally been 393 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: avoiding metals, taking a break, taking a break. I'll get 394 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 2: back to it once. I'm sort of aired out from 395 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: the experience of many, many years of babies and such. 396 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 2: But my kids go to the doctor regularly, so that's good. 397 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: Nobody write me and scold me. I don't want to 398 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: hear it. All right, let's talk about fashion, Sarah, Fashion 399 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: and aging. Have you changed what you wear over the 400 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: years or do you think there are any rules as 401 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: we get older for what we can wear. 402 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember, well, I'm sure you remember, because you 403 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: were like a magazine person, like the very very popular 404 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: stories like in Vogue or even in like I don't know, mademoiselle. 405 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: That would be like dressing for each decade. Here's the 406 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: outfit for your teens, here's the outfit for your twenties. 407 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: And by the fifties, they were like shrouded in like 408 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: like full on. 409 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: Like hooded robes pretty much. 410 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: So I like remember being steeped in that growing up. 411 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: But I feel like times have changed, and I do 412 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: live in South Florida, and like you will see like 413 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: sixties plus more women like strutting their stuff in like 414 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: thongs on the beach. So I do appreciate the fact 415 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: that people have gotten more open minded about like what 416 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: you're allowed to wear at certain ages. I remember posting 417 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: on my blog maybe a few years ago that I 418 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: was like, can I still wear cutoff change shorts? And 419 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: people were like yes, and then I bought them and 420 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: I still wear them and it's totally fine. And I also, 421 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: I guess part of it is like not as much caring, 422 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: like I don't see myself as much as like, I 423 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: don't know, like I just feel like I'm more likely 424 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: to just be invisible if I want to be. And 425 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: so I actually feel better about wearing a sports bru 426 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: now than I might have fought when I was twenty 427 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: five and following people might pay attention. And also it's 428 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: really really hot here, and so I just like less 429 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: self conscious. So I don't know, I still wear two 430 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: piece bathing suits. My daughter was like, I don't know, 431 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: are you were like still gonna like how long are 432 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: you gonna wear those? I'm like thanks, But I wore 433 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: a high waisted one in the keys and I didn't 434 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: feel too ridiculous. I don't like wearing bathing suits or 435 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: swimming in general, but like it was fine, and I 436 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: just I feel like there is just more diversity of style, 437 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: Like there used to be like, oh, everyone's wearing skinny jeans, 438 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: everyone's wearing street jeans, and now like I see all 439 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: different kinds of shapes of jeans out there. I like that, 440 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: and I don't feel like any specific age is wearing 441 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: any specific style. 442 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I remember one of the first times 443 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: I was just like, you know, okay, I feel old 444 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 2: and like I would never wear what these kids are wearing. 445 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: When I went to a concert. It was a Brad 446 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: Paisley concert a few years ago. Michael and I went together, 447 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: and I think I wore like jeans, a cute little 448 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 2: top or whatever, and all these girls were wearing these tiny, 449 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 2: little like jean shorts such that the pockets were hanging 450 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 2: out the very country, very country, right, which I you know, 451 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: now get like people wear this to like country music concerts, 452 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 2: but I'm just like, why, like if your pockets are 453 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: below the hemline of your shorts, like it feels like 454 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: something went wrong here and maybe it's a style, but 455 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: you know. I'm like, wow, I am such a funny 456 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: diddy it here, But no, I will not be wearing 457 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 2: shorts where the pockets are longer. 458 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: Than the short for the record for the record. 459 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: Or the record they come a little bit further down 460 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: your thighs than that. Yes, that your genes will not 461 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: be mistaken for your bathing suit bottoms. Yeah, I graduated 462 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: to one pieces at some point in my mid thirties. 463 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: I was like, no, this is probably not happening anymore. 464 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: But it's more that I cannot stand to not be comfortable. 465 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's what the I mean. 466 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: Not that I ever wanted to be uncomfortable. I think 467 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 2: I was just incredibly non fashionable for my entire life. 468 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: But my tolerance for it has gone down even further 469 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: from where it was, to the point where I was 470 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: shopping for a dress for my husband's office holiday party 471 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 2: because I always get caught short with this, I'm like, oh, wait, 472 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: do I own anything? And I don't, And so then 473 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: I wear the same thing I wore like three years ago, 474 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: and it doesn't fit right anymore. I don't anyway, so 475 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: and then I feel like why am I doing this? 476 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: I was shopping online because I didn't want to go 477 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: to a store, just like, what does Amazon have for 478 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: holiday party dresses? And there were many that were just 479 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: entirely terrible, which again I would never wear with like 480 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 2: one shoulder out or like some slit up the side 481 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: of that. But then I found I was only looking 482 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: for like long sleeve dresses. It's nothing with like modesty 483 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 2: or anything like that. It's like, it's December and it's cold, 484 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: and I don't want to be cold. So I'm not 485 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: gonna wear a strapped, little strappy dress to a holiday 486 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: party because then I'll have to wear a coat with 487 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: it inside. And I would wear the coat and everyone 488 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: would be like, what on earth are you wearing a 489 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 2: coat inside for? So I am going to be wearing 490 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 2: a long sleeve dress. 491 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: I actually, okay, this is like the most tangential side note, 492 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: but like there was a really pretty long sleeve dress 493 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: with like a contrasting like placket and it was like holiday. 494 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: It was like wine colored with like a red in 495 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: the Marine Layer catalog, and I'm like, I want this 496 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: for the same reason. I'm like, that just looks so comfortable, 497 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: like you could wear it with boots or like whatever. Shoes. 498 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: It looked stretchy and like soft, and I'm with you, 499 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: like I'm much less tolerant and like, don't get me 500 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: started on shoes because I used to be queen of 501 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: heels and I like to some extent, Yes, it's fun 502 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: to be like more closer to everybody else's height, which 503 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: is what happens when I put on heels, Like I'm 504 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: not tall, but I'm like more eye to eye with people. 505 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: But I do have a pair of like the platforms 506 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: that I was wearing at best of plans live. Those 507 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: are super comfortable. So there are like the rare bird 508 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: shoes that give me some height and I can like 509 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: walk in them all day. But beyond that, it's like no, 510 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: just like hard. No, I'm not going to squeeze my toes. 511 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: Some of that's from running. I'm just sort of like 512 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: my feet are precious. I don't want to blister them. 513 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 2: Up and for seel it's not worth it. Yeah, well 514 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: I can't even you, I can't even walk and stuff 515 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: like why would you wear it? Like I just don't 516 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: understand it. I don't I don't get it. And with 517 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: this years ago, bought a pair of Jimmy Chew stilettos 518 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: for speaking related purposes, right, like if you're on a 519 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: big conference stage and you're walking around and people can 520 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: see your feet. I was like, yeah, I should probably 521 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: wear you know, not like really fuddy duddy black heels 522 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: that like all the other ladies are wearing fabulous shoes 523 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: and I'm wearing this, you know, stuff that looks like 524 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 2: orthopedic shoes, and I'm you know, this was when I 525 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: was like thirty two. But anyway, so I bought the stilettas, 526 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: and what I would do is I would take a 527 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 2: little bag with regular shoes, stick it behind the curtain, 528 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: put the shoes on, just to walk out, sort of 529 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: stand there wearing these shoes as soon as I get 530 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: off stage and like take these things off, put them 531 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: back in the bag and wear like flat sneakers whatever 532 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: around the backstage and out to the cocktail hour or whatever. 533 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: Because I again, I just I'm horribly immature about this. 534 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: I cannot be uncomfortable. I won't do it. 535 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: Even to the cocktail hour. You're like, nope, the important 536 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: part's over. 537 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 2: Sorry, however you want to talk to me. It's because 538 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: hopefully it's because you want to talk to me, and 539 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: you don't care about my shoes. 540 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: No, I get it, and I wish there was more. Well. Actually, 541 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: shout out to Lani and Lander from Real Lifestyle because 542 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: they do a comfort shoe round up every year, and 543 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: I have found some really good picks on there, because 544 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: there are a few shoes that can give you some 545 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: of the illusion of looking fancy or taller with the 546 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: right elements to keep your feel comfortable. But then there 547 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: is a certain type of shoe like the stiletta you mentioned, 548 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: where like I just think physics wise, it's like not possible. 549 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't really work well, but you know, I 550 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: guess it looked nice for thirty minutes on stage. Have 551 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: you had any sort of psychological differences of getting older, 552 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 2: Like do you think you have a different perspective or 553 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: you know anything like that. 554 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: I think yes, I guess. I think the more you've 555 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: seen and the more you've gone through and the more 556 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: things you've witnessed in life, the better you are going 557 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: to be able to process what's coming at you and 558 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: perhaps like you know, understand like what's really important and 559 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: what's not. So there is some elements of that. I 560 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't say I've reached some zen pinnacle maybe when I'm fifty. 561 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I appreciate life more like 562 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: I feel like it goes fast, but I'm more like, oh, 563 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: like like this is precious, Like you know, you don't 564 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: know how long it lasts, and I mean I've always 565 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: sort of thought about that, but it becomes more real 566 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: the fewer years you actually have left. And I do 567 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: there's I think it was some podcasts I mentioned, like 568 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: passing the hot biton and just like not like I'm 569 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: dressing for myself, like I don't care what others think 570 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: as much, And I do think there's there's definitely a 571 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: lot of peace and confidence to be found in that. 572 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, definitely some of the perspective on that, or 573 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: just that you know, problems can be solved, you can 574 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: you know, do things and try things, and you know 575 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 2: you don't have to worry as much about, you know, 576 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: whether is this the right thing? Is this what everyone 577 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 2: else is doing? Perhaps one thing I could say, I 578 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: really like having older kids. I don't know if I 579 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 2: mean obviously love babies. I had a ton of them, 580 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 2: and they're really cute and all that, but of the 581 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: stages of kid like I really like being a mom 582 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: of teenagers, and I enjoy talking with them. I enjoy 583 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: watching their lives and like what they're finding about what 584 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 2: they like to do, and seeing how they build their 585 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: relationships with their friends, and really enjoy spending time with 586 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 2: them doing big kids stuff. And so I don't know, 587 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 2: I just feel like that's a benefit of getting older 588 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: in the sense that I'm not planning to have any 589 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: more babies, so I'm out of the little kid years 590 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: and I still have little kids, but I also have 591 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 2: these older kids, and I definitely am a big fan 592 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: of the older kid age. So happy to be in 593 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: that stage of life at this point. 594 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, I mean my experiencing self especially, it's 595 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: just generally, if I had to, just like if someone 596 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: were to interrupt me during a random weekend at two 597 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: pm and be like, how do you feel right now? 598 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: I guarantee the number is higher now than it was 599 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: ten years ago when I had, you know, like a 600 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: one year old. Yeah, maybe maybe eight years ago is 601 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: even better. A one year old and a three year old, Like, yeah, 602 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: it's really fun to have bigger kids. You can you 603 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: can do more on your own and you can do 604 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: more with them, and they're like more and more exciting 605 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: and interesting to be with. 606 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: So I really like it too, and you know, fortunate, 607 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: I think neither of us have are dealing with many 608 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: you know, parent issues of like you know that as 609 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: much right now. I know some of our listeners are 610 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: deep in the sandwich generation thing. Where as you are 611 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: raising your adolescence, you also have aging parents that you 612 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: are helping coordinate life for. So again, we're happy to 613 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: hear from people about that and would love to feature 614 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: some of those stories as well, So feel free to 615 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: reach out to us. We're always looking to talk more 616 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 2: about that topic because we know we have a lot 617 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: of listeners that are going through that, and. 618 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: I do think about it, especially like as my parents, 619 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, they're still pretty healthy, but I know at 620 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: some point there's going to be like medical stuff, and 621 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of me not being there 622 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: to help them navigate it, just having known that, like 623 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: the healthcare system can be incredibly difficult, especially when you're 624 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: kind of coming in from the outside. My sister has 625 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: actually moved near my parents. She gave me permission to 626 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: share that on the podcast, so that's actually pretty exciting 627 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: to know that she's there that could help them out 628 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: in a panchuirt and that they can help her as well. 629 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: So I feel really lucky that kind of have that 630 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: little triangle going on. 631 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, my parents actually of ten minutes from my older 632 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 2: brother and sister in law, so that's that's good for that. 633 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, well, well I'd love to hear people's thoughts 634 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: about aging as well, so feel free to send this in. 635 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: You know, this has kind of been the all Botox episode. 636 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: Perhaps your takeaways botox and we don't like uncomfortable shoes, 637 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: so I guess that's what we'll remember from this episode. 638 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: So the question this week comes from a listener who 639 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: is thinking about business trips. She has things worked out 640 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: for childcare. Whether that's her partner doesn't travel as much 641 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: for work, or has another setup, whatever, it's not a 642 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: problem for her. So she's got that. But her question 643 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: is more, is it okay to say no to a 644 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: business trip or will that be seen as a lack 645 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: of commitment to your job. She feels like she goes 646 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: on a lot of trips now that seem to be, 647 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: as she puts it, for age fifty plus men who 648 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: believe in being seen, And she says, I go along 649 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: with that. Culture as a younger woman, because I don't 650 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: want appear uncommitted or that she's the mom in quotes, 651 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: my boss seems to think it's a benefit for me 652 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: to get to these things, and sometimes it is, but 653 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: recently I'm feeling like I'm making almost pointless trips with 654 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: all the negative sides of it, as she doesn't particularly 655 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: enjoy the travel in this form. It's you know, there's 656 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: a difference between going and relaxing in a resort in 657 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: Hawaii for a week versus like going to I don't know, 658 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: Detroit for business for three nights, not that Detroit doesn't wonderful, 659 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: but or even. 660 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: Going to Hawaii but then being in a boardroom the 661 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: whole time. Yeah, be in a boardroom all day, that's true, 662 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: and you never even make it to the beach. So 663 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: she's wondering, can't she get out of it? 664 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: Sarah, what do you think? 665 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think this is one where like a little 666 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: strategy might make sense, Like it doesn't have to be 667 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: all or nothing. So is there a way you could 668 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: be like prior to the start of the year, be like, oh, 669 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: I want to get more proactive about like really planning 670 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: the shape of the year and like making sure I 671 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: save the travel for what's really really meaningful and maybe 672 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: having a conversation about I think X number of trips 673 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: be the right balance for me to be able to 674 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: really stay productive in the office. And if you were 675 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: to suggest four of the most important trips for me 676 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: to take this year, what would they be, and then 677 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: like getting you know, whatever, a number that feels more acceptable, 678 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: because I do think like if all of a sudden 679 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: you went from going to everything to going to nothing, 680 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: that there may be people may find that somewhat problematic, 681 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: But instead couching it as like I want to prioritize, 682 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: I want to strategize. I want to be the most 683 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: valuable for the company by being able to like really 684 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: excel at work when I'm there and then devote energy 685 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: to the trips when it really matters. And then seeing 686 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: if you can get some suggestions even if you already 687 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: know getting the input would probably look good. 688 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think this is one of those 689 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 2: situations where like, I mean, even if it is just 690 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: that you don't want to go, I mean, people are 691 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: often way more willing to be like, oh, yeah, she 692 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: didn't go because she had this big thing she was 693 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: doing locally, right, So I don't know if you have 694 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: a client based business, it sounds like you might. If 695 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: you know people are going to visit clients various places, 696 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: that's why you're being seen, you have the ability to 697 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: build up your client base, I am sure. And maybe 698 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: there are people who are local right like that. Maybe 699 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: there are some companies that you could identify to work 700 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: with that are within two hours of you, and thus 701 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: you don't have to be gone for three days to 702 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: go visit them. You could go have dinner with your 703 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: client who is an hour away, and you'd be home 704 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: sleeping in your own bed. And especially if those are 705 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: perceived as very profitable and important clients, nobody is going 706 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: to complain when you are spending your time building up 707 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: relationships with them versus again, the you know, getting on 708 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: a plane for a client that is three hours by 709 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: flight away from you. I mean, it's just easier to 710 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: build a relationship with someone close because you can see 711 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: them more often. So I think really being strategic there 712 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: about your client base, and also when you have just 713 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: on a day to day basis something that's really important 714 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: that's other than this, I think you could be like Gosh, 715 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: I wish I could go to Detroit with you, but 716 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 2: I've been asked to go to this board meeting here. 717 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 2: And you go to the board meeting and that's one day, 718 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 2: and then you don't have to do the three day 719 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: trip to Detroit or whatever it is. I'm sorry I 720 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: keep talking about Detroit. Let's say Dallas or you know, 721 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: Los Angeles or whatever. But because you have this one 722 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: day trip that's huge for something important, you don't have 723 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: to do the three day trip somewhere else. You just 724 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 2: might want to be strategic about that during the ones 725 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 2: that you perceive as least valuable. 726 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: Yes, strategic FRAMEI it as how can I serve this organization? 727 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: Fust All right, well, love of the week, Sarah, What 728 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: are you loving this week? 729 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: I decided to try to think of something on the 730 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: aging type topic, and I came up with Clinique almost 731 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: lipstick and black Honey because I bought it for the 732 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: prom when I was like sixteen or seventeen years old, 733 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: and I wore then and I loved it and I 734 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: still really like it now. Obviously I have, you know, 735 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: bought some new tubes over the years, not using a 736 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: thirty year old and however, too bulbup stick, but it's good. 737 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I wear this in my seventies, 738 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 1: wouldn't that be cool? 739 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: Maybe? Why not? Well, I might still be wearing my 740 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: bootcut jeans in my seventies. I don't know, I wore 741 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 2: them in I realized, like everyone was into skinny jeans 742 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: for a long time. I never got into skinschit. I 743 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: don't like the way they look on me. They look 744 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 2: perfectly fine on other people who are even like the 745 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 2: same size as me. They just do not look good 746 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 2: on me. So I've been wearing boot cuts still am 747 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 2: Maybe they're back now, Sarah, you can tell me. Are 748 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 2: they back now? 749 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like skinny jeans look really dated 750 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: for the most part now, and people are wearing like 751 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: wid leg and fulair and like straight leg and like 752 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: vintage cuts, and like, yeah, I think you're ahead of 753 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: the curve. 754 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 2: Well, because I was behind the curve for a long time. 755 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 2: I never left the curve. I'm still on the same 756 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: darn curve. That's kind of how it goes. And you've 757 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 2: become comfortable with that as you reach your mid forties. Well, 758 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 2: we will be back next week with more. This has 759 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: been all about aging. We will be back next week 760 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: with more and making work and life fit together. 761 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 762 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 763 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: and you. 764 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 765 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 766 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life 767 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 2: work together.