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Speaker 2: The only invasion or mayhem that's occurring is happening because

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Speaker 1: This is not who we are as Americans. We have

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Speaker 3: In June of this year, in the second largest city

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Speaker 3: It was just days after he had federalized some four

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Speaker 3: And of course since then, we've seen similar actions by

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Speaker 3: all across the United States of America. This is unprecedented

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Speaker 3: constitutional crisis, but it's also a crisis that not only

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Speaker 3: things that I've enjoyed, perhaps more than most aspects of

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Speaker 3: of America's outstanding leaders, Leaders like JB. Pritzker, leaders like

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Speaker 3: it's such a treat opportunity to be able to connect

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Speaker 3: you'll enjoy this conversation with both JB. Pritzker and Tina

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Speaker 3: this is JB. Pritzker and Tina Cootech. I'm really pleased

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Speaker 3: this is a great and rare opportunity to have two

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Speaker 3: this sort of relentless and unprecedented overreach from the federal government.

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Speaker 3: What's happening on the streets of Chicago and Portland obviously

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Speaker 3: Governor Pritzker, I'm told that you just have some news

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Speaker 4: That's right, well, great to see you both.

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Speaker 2: And the TRO has been granted by Judge Perry here

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Speaker 4: Her oral decision right now.

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Speaker 2: We're getting it literally blow by blow, But she began

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Speaker 2: But there must be some piece of it that she's

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Speaker 3: I appreciate, Governor, and it just goes to the nature

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's going on on the ground here is

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Speaker 2: They were diverted after the decision in Oregon, and we

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Speaker 2: So you know, this is I mean, I've called it

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Speaker 1: And thanks for having us. Kevin, first of all, I

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Speaker 1: You know, GB, I'm sorry this is happening to the

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Speaker 1: Stay Gavin, this is not how it should go right

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Speaker 1: We have an ice facility one block radius and you

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, what is the reality check When the

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Speaker 1: He first wanted to call up the Oregon National Guard.

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Speaker 1: The judges are looking at the facts on the ground.

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Speaker 1: in our case, we go to court. The judge says,

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Speaker 3: So the state of mind on the Trump administration and

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Speaker 1: Portland is not burning. We are not a military target.

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Speaker 2: The only invasion or mayhem that's occurring is happening because

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Speaker 3: And I want to get to the more problems and

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Speaker 4: Something that we all believe in. But anyway, I just

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Speaker 2: Two hundred national Guard arrived yesterday. They are gathered at

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Speaker 3: Winning as governor. Let me just reinforce that. And those

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Speaker 3: to the president himself, i e. What he did at

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Speaker 3: the Democracy Center when we kicked off our proposition fifty

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Speaker 3: and he sent ICE and he sent border patrol to

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Speaker 3: scare people from participating our event. This is a preview

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Speaker 3: of things to come at voting booths and palling places

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Speaker 3: all across the country. Long way away of saying I

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Speaker 3: could not agree governor with you more, this is about

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Speaker 3: something much more insidious than just control. In the short run.

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Speaker 3: This is about power in the long run.

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Speaker 1: As a president who believes in the absolute power that

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Speaker 1: he thinks he has, he told a woundful of hundreds

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Speaker 1: of military generals that it's an okay idea to put

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Speaker 1: our military troops, federalizing the National Guard into our cities

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Speaker 1: for practice. Can't allow this to be normalized because the

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Speaker 1: authoritarianism is going to creep up on us. We have

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Speaker 1: to know that this is wrong. This is not who

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Speaker 1: we are as Americans. We have checks and balances, we

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Speaker 1: have the courts, the states have rights, governors have a

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Speaker 1: role to play. This is not how our democracy should operate.

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Speaker 1: Regardless of what even if that theory, which I think

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Speaker 1: sounds like a really strong one, isn't true, we should

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Speaker 1: all agree that when you just get comfortable with troops

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Speaker 1: in your cities, bad things are going to happen.

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Speaker 3: And not only a bad things going to happen. They

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Speaker 3: were anticipated in this context. The founding Fathers created a framework. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: you know, three co equal branches of government, popular sovereignty,

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Speaker 3: the rule of law, and that fundamental system of checks

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Speaker 3: and balances is not in balance right now because you

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Speaker 3: have a supine speaker. Johnson and Congress that are nowhere

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Speaker 3: to be found. And so I want to go to

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Speaker 3: this issue of rule of law because both of you,

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Speaker 3: not both of you, all of us have been the

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Speaker 3: beneficiary of federal judges, some appointed by Trump himself, as

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Speaker 3: Tina you rightfully noted referenced, that have all adjudicated in

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Speaker 3: favor of this overreach. So how confident are you, JB. Tina?

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Speaker 3: Are you in the rule of law? How confident are

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Speaker 3: you in the courts?

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Speaker 2: Well, let me say that I've been pleased to see

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Speaker 2: the decisions so far in these cases, and I'll give

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Speaker 2: you an update before we were finished, because I did.

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Speaker 4: Just get an update. But I'll just tell you I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Very confident about what the Supreme Court will do these

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Speaker 2: are as. You know, a plurality of judges that were

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Speaker 2: appointed by Donald Trump himself. So I'm concerned about what

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Speaker 2: will happen at that level. But we have to rely

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Speaker 2: on our courts.

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Speaker 4: At the moment.

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Speaker 2: That really is the only place that we can go

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Speaker 2: for justice. I'm not going to break the law here.

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Speaker 2: I don't do what Donald Trump does. He threatens to

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Speaker 2: jail you, Gavin and me. This is a guy who's

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Speaker 2: been convicted of thirty four felonies. So I find that ironic,

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Speaker 2: but mostly.

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Speaker 3: By the way jv. You and I are going to

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Speaker 3: count on Tina to get us out of jail.

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Speaker 4: Tina, I got you back, I will get you out.

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Speaker 1: I will come. I will be there for you.

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Speaker 2: Cake with a file inside would be helpful, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: But you know, look, I think we have to rely

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Speaker 2: on our courts and believe in the law and the

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Speaker 2: Constitution of the United States. It is working so far

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Speaker 2: with regard to this federalization of troops, and in a

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Speaker 2: number of other instances. I don't agree with some of

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Speaker 2: the court rulings so far in other cases around the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court, of course. But again, what we're focused on,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the three of us, is making sure that

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Speaker 2: we're able to get justice somewhere, because we're not able

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Speaker 2: to get it from a Congress that isn't doing any oversight.

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Speaker 2: We're definitely not able to get it from a president who,

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Speaker 2: in my mind, is suffering from dementia, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you don't know from one day to the next what

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Speaker 2: he's going to decide or what power he's going to

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Speaker 2: invoke that's never been invoked before, and how the people

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Speaker 2: around him. Tom Holman, Christy Homan, I mean Christy nom

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Speaker 2: Greg Bovino at CBB, how they're going to carry out

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Speaker 2: things that he may not even know about, because it

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Speaker 2: does appear that he doesn't do any reading or studying

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Speaker 2: or even questioning. So I'm concerned about all that, But

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Speaker 2: again I'm focused on I think we can get justice

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Speaker 2: in the courts. And Tina's example of the Trump appointed

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Speaker 2: judge rulings, as she did, you know, is I think

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Speaker 2: a good son.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. I don't want to fall prey

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Speaker 3: to the president's state of mind, but not lost on me,

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Speaker 3: just in terms of the way you framed it and

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Speaker 3: how much Donald Trump cares about truth building, trust, facts

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Speaker 3: and is interested in lifelong learning. He was asked today

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Speaker 3: about Habeas Corpus and asked said, who who Habeas who?

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Speaker 3: In relationship to what's happening in your backyard, Dina, President

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Speaker 3: the United States.

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Speaker 1: And remember, this is why we fought the American Revolution. Right,

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Speaker 1: we fought for the rule of law. We fought for

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Speaker 1: being protected by an entity that had power over us.

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Speaker 1: That is what the American Revolution was about. Right that

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Speaker 1: our country is based on a rule of law for

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Speaker 1: a reason, you know, so I have faith in my

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Speaker 1: attorney in general, he's doing a great job. I think

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Speaker 1: individual federal judges they know what the law is, they're

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Speaker 1: going to stand up for the Constitution. I do get nervous,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of nervous all day long.

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Speaker 1: But when we go up to the Supreme Court, if

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Speaker 1: that's where this is headed, that is concerning.

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Speaker 3: Are you both concerned about the President's willingness to openly

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Speaker 3: discuss the Insurrection Act Because one of the things that

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Speaker 3: we have been blessed by here in the state of

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Speaker 3: California are a number of lower court decisions, including Justice

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Speaker 3: Bryer on the question of posse committatis, and the issue

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Speaker 3: of posse coommititatis, for those that don't know, is not

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Speaker 3: a complicated one. It's fundamentally about not allowing the federal

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Speaker 3: military to be used for domestic policing, period, full stop,

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Speaker 3: unless the President invokes the Insurrection Act. So there's a scenario,

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Speaker 3: is there not where even if the courts adjudicate in

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Speaker 3: favor of what we believe are these fundamental constitution of principle,

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Speaker 3: the president himself can simply invoke the Insurrection Act. Is

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Speaker 3: that plausible outcome? Here. From your perspective, either of.

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Speaker 2: You, I think it's it's I think it's possible. I

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Speaker 2: will say that again, rule of law. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: a reason it's called the Insurrection Act. It's about an insurrection,

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Speaker 2: a foreign invasion, right where you've got to defend against collapse.

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Speaker 2: And that's not occurring in Portland. It's not occurring in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't occurring in LA and certainly not Washington, DC.

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Speaker 4: And I am I mean, I think that could happen.

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Speaker 4: But here's the scarier part.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't need to invoke the Insurrection Act. He's already

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Speaker 2: militarized the Customs and Border Patrol and ICE and as

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Speaker 2: you just repeated, you know, one hundred billion dollars to

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Speaker 2: hire new ICE agents. And I want to add one thing.

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Speaker 2: This is very strange to me.

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Speaker 4: You know, the.

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Speaker 2: Customs and Border Patrol is not supposed to be a

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Speaker 2: util in fact, by law, not allowed to be utilized

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Speaker 2: anywhere other than within one hundred miles of the border.

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Speaker 2: I'm here in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Did they move on?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, there might be people who'd like

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Speaker 2: to move Illinois right now. But but but you know,

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Speaker 2: Canada is very far away from Chicago. They're claiming that

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Speaker 2: Lake Michigan is the border, and so Oak Street Beach

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Speaker 2: in Chicago is the border apparently. So this is another

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Speaker 2: issue where they're using civilian law enforcement right and even

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Speaker 2: taking people out of FBI and DEA and ATF and

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Speaker 2: moving them over to ICE for ICE duties and CBP.

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Speaker 2: It was CBP that was marching around in uniforms with

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Speaker 2: automatic weapons in downtown Chicago. That was CBP customers and

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Speaker 2: Border Patrol, not ICE. So I'm just saying, you don't

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Speaker 2: need the military to do what he wants to do

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Speaker 2: militarize the cities. So that's I think even more frightening.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could maybe hold him back on the

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Speaker 2: Insurrection Act, but he doesn't need it.

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Speaker 3: What we talk about the courts, what about the court

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Speaker 3: of public opinion? Where's where the people? I mean, are

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Speaker 3: you distilled? I've been. We've been just overwhelmed by this

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Speaker 3: overwhelming opposition to what's going on in our streets and sidewalks.

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Speaker 3: People are angry, they're outraged. It's not about red versus blue,

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Speaker 3: It's about red, white and blue. People are seeing this

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Speaker 3: country that we fought for two hundred and forty nine

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Speaker 3: years about to enjoy the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary

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Speaker 3: the best of Roman Republic and Greek democracy, and we're

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Speaker 3: seeing this remarkable moment of vandalism where the people of

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Speaker 3: Oregon we're are the people of Illinois.

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Speaker 1: The vast majority of Oregonians are mad. They don't agree

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Speaker 1: with this. The group that is most impactful when I

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Speaker 1: hear the stories, it's our veterans, folks who've served in

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Speaker 1: the National Guard, people who have been veterans of the

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Speaker 1: active military. They know that this is wrong and they

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Speaker 1: are appalled by it, and so I think they speak

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Speaker 1: forcefully for people across my state that this shouldn't be happening.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have peaceful protesters, of course, around the ICE

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Speaker 2: facility in Broadview, Illinois. That's just outside Chicago, it's not

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Speaker 2: in the city. About two blocks of protesters, you know,

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Speaker 2: lining the sidewalks. It's not an enormous number, but you know,

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Speaker 2: more than one hundred people each day, and they're upset.

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Speaker 4: I think what I take.

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Speaker 2: As an indicator of something important that's happening, though, is

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of protests that are occurring that

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Speaker 2: are not necessarily just at the ICE facility, but that

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Speaker 2: are about what's happening to the country. And yes, of

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Speaker 2: course there's going to be the No King's Rally on

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Speaker 2: October eighteen, which I think will be another indicator. But

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Speaker 2: you know what's happening in the neighborhoods when ICE is

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Speaker 2: coming in with their unmarked vehicles and wearing masks and

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Speaker 2: you know, attacking people's homes is their neighbors are coming

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Speaker 2: out and yelling at the Ice of it, and people

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Speaker 2: are angry.

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Speaker 4: Just like Tina said, people see it and they're like,

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Speaker 4: what is happening? What kind of a country do we

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Speaker 4: live in?

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Speaker 2: And I mean US citizens, people who are documented, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: people who are undocumented, but by the way, have never

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Speaker 2: broken a law in the United States. They've never done

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Speaker 2: anything wrong. They're paying tax, is going to work. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we should deal with comprehensive immigration reform.

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Speaker 4: We all agree, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, you know, they said they were

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Speaker 2: coming after the worst of the worst.

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Speaker 4: That's not what they're doing. And they come into our neighborhoods.

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Speaker 4: Here's what gives me hope.

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Speaker 2: You see people coming out of their homes onto the sidewalks,

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Speaker 2: yelling and pulling out their phones to video film everything.

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Speaker 2: I've asked them to do that because it becomes evidence.

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Speaker 2: It also becomes I think inspiring for people across the

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Speaker 2: country to say.

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Speaker 4: This is wrong. We've got to do something about this.

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Speaker 2: And then I think we've all got to remind people

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Speaker 2: that in the end, how we're going to solve for

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Speaker 2: this is people have to show up and vote against

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Speaker 2: it in twenty twenty six in November.

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Speaker 3: That's right, And I want to applaud the work both

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Speaker 3: of you have done on Know Your Rights Campaign, on

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Speaker 3: providing legal support for those families that have illegally been

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Speaker 3: torn apart because of some of these activities. And I

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Speaker 3: also appreciate the clarity to which you both have communicated

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Speaker 3: that none of us are are count and seeing violent criminals,

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Speaker 3: and we're not shielding violent criminal acts actors in any way,

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Speaker 3: shape or form. That's not what this is about. But JB,

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Speaker 3: we open with you, can we close with you? Just

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Speaker 3: you said that I don't know how you're multitasking here,

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Speaker 3: but you broke some news with us on the t

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Speaker 3: r O.

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Speaker 1: We're uprising our multitasking.

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Speaker 3: What was anything further?

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Speaker 2: You want to illuminate terms of the chip they implanted

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Speaker 2: in my brain, you know, that's giving me the info.

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Speaker 2: They the judge seems to have enjoined the federalization, so

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Speaker 2: we expect to see that in.

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Speaker 4: The oral decision.

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Speaker 2: That's that's uh going to be delivered tomorrow morning. So

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Speaker 2: I think we'll we'll know the kind of the final

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Speaker 2: full ruling by then. But I feel, you know, reasonably

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Speaker 2: confident based upon what she was saying. My team is

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Speaker 2: handing me a note even as we speak. Yeah, just

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Speaker 2: to remind I think all of us that this this

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Speaker 2: is first of all, it's a big victory for us

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Speaker 2: to you know, hold back the federalization of our National Guard.

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Speaker 2: These people don't, by the way, they don't want to

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Speaker 2: be called up I mean, just like in California. They

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Speaker 2: don't want to be called up standing against their own

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Speaker 2: citizens who they've been protecting, who they rest q on

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Speaker 2: a regular basis when there's a real disaster.

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Speaker 4: They don't want to do that. And I don't think

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Speaker 4: the Illinois National Guard wants.

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Speaker 2: You, and I don't think the Texas National or the

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Speaker 2: California want to come to Illinois to do that. They

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Speaker 2: may not be from here, but you know, they know

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Speaker 2: that what they're doing isn't what they signed up to do.

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Speaker 2: So I'm very pleased with so far with what we

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Speaker 2: know about the judges ruling, and I feel, you know,

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Speaker 2: reasonably confident when we get to read it. Finally, tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 2: we're going to see a full tro and no troops

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Speaker 2: on the ground in Chicago, but we'll have to see.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that update. And also just you know, not

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Speaker 3: just simmar how we opened as well. You know, these

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Speaker 3: for us, the National Guard. These are the folks that

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Speaker 3: are out there during the fire, in the middle of

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Speaker 3: the fire, and during our recovery, and they were heroes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the biggest problem we had. We had thousands

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Speaker 3: of National Guard. They were there protecting the residents of

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, and the biggest problem they had were a

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Speaker 3: number of people coming up to get selfies with them,

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Speaker 3: giving them food, water, and they were overwhelmed. And these

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Speaker 3: are our neighbors. These are nurses and doctors, these are

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Speaker 3: firefighters and law enforcement officers that are quite literally being

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Speaker 3: taken now off the street and been asked to mask up.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's so important that we underscore what

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Speaker 3: you just said, JB, that that we're not at war

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Speaker 3: with them, quite the contrary, and that's what's so abusive

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Speaker 3: about what the President of the United States has done.

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Speaker 3: But I want to just say this in closing. I

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Speaker 3: want to thank you both for what you've done, the

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Speaker 3: moral clarity to which you both have met this moment,

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Speaker 3: how effectively you've communicated, how effectively you've galvanized the public

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Speaker 3: to understand what's at stake. Thank you for the partnership

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Speaker 3: in terms of the comparing contrast and the sharing of

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Speaker 3: information with our legal teams and with our staff. It

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Speaker 3: distills from me a sense of well being. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's old adage. You want to go fast, go alone,

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Speaker 3: you want to go far, go together, And this is

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Speaker 3: a time for us to partner, and it's a time

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Speaker 3: for us to I think, really raise the red flag

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Speaker 3: of alarm about what's really going on in this country

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Speaker 3: and what we're up against.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you Gavin, and thank you Tina. Both of

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Speaker 2: you have spoken with as we're going through what we're

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Speaker 2: going through in Chicago, and I think we've all each

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Speaker 2: advised each other about ideas that we have. And you

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Speaker 2: talk about speaking with moral clarity. Gavin, I can't thank

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Speaker 2: you enough for you having done that since early before

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Speaker 2: the you know, the invasion of La by those troops

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Speaker 2: and I and you keep it up, and Tina, I know,

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Speaker 2: you know, I just I know all of this has

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Speaker 2: been jarring for the people of Oregon, but you have

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Speaker 2: been such a beacon for them.

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Speaker 4: And I've watched you.

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Speaker 2: As things are happening here in Chicago and thought, you know, oh,

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Speaker 2: I got to take that idea. That's a great idea

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Speaker 2: the way you've expressed yourself. So thank you for all

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Speaker 2: of your advice along the way.

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Speaker 1: Thanks JB, Thank you Gavin. You know, we stick together.

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Speaker 1: We'll get through this. But it's been an honor working

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Speaker 1: with you. We're going to keep hanging out together because

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Speaker 1: we got to keep fighting. This is this is going

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Speaker 1: to be a brawl. So let's let's let's keep together

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Speaker 1: and appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Both well, appreciate it's a rare opportunity for us to

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Speaker 3: get together in this public manner. I think it's really important. Again,

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Speaker 3: grateful for both of you taking the time, particularly with

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Speaker 3: the preciousness that is time at this moment. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks