1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: Hi everyone, welcome to the deal. I'm your host, Jason 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: Kelly longside my partner Alex Rodriguez. 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 3: All right, Alex, we're gonna talk some baseball. 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: I have to say, this has been a really fun 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: early twenty twenty five, you know, so to spring up 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. I feel like we're diving into baseball 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: in a really meaningful way, which kind of makes sense 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: since you played the game pretty well. But one of 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: the great things about the show is the access that 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: you bring to some people who might be a little 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: less known but are incredibly important. Gene Aferman is one 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: of those people, assistant general manager for the Yankees. Help 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: us understand before we get into the conversation who she is. 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, what I think she's a person 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 4: that should be in the Hall of Fame. And I 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 4: say that because she's been assistant general manager to Brian 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 4: Cashman for over twenty plus years. And you know, give 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 4: credit to the late George Steinbernner for bringing in a 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 4: strong woman who's a lawyer, an incredible asset to the 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: New York Yankees. And this episode, Jason was special to 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: me because I'm so close to Jean and we've been 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 4: through so much highs and lows, and she was always 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: the voice of reason in that organization. And while she 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 4: never put up with any bs, she was always like 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 4: so transparent and so honest, And so you will hear 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 4: that in our episode. 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: Oh take no prisoners for sure. 29 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 4: I mean. 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: One of the interesting things about her, and one of 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: the really timely elements to this is back in the nineties, 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: she was really early on in identifying the potential for 33 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: the business of baseball in Japan. We now take that 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: pretty much for granted. We have a generational player that 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: we're all getting to watch in Shohyo Tani. She was 36 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: on that story law long long ago, and I feel 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: like given some of your experience as a player, some 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: of your more recent experience as a businessman, you appreciate 39 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: sort of this nexus of baseball in Japan. 40 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: You were just there not too long ago, right, a 41 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 3: few months back. 42 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: I was. I was there and it was my third 43 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 4: time in Japan, and it was the time that I 44 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 4: actually enjoyed it the most because I didn't have the 45 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 4: burden too having to go play and be focused on that. 46 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 4: But the two prior times Gene Afferman was on both trips. 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 4: One was a nineteen ninety six trip for Major League 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: Baseball All Star that we would go every other year, 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 4: and in that team we had Ky Ripken, we had 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 4: Barry Bonds and Roberto Allen. It was this phenomenal team 51 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: and a great experience. The second time we went back 52 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: was two thousand and four with the Yankees, and we 53 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 4: had a special sauce and that special sauce was Gene 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 4: Afferman because she was like our super Asian yet she 55 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 4: was kind of like lead counsel for us. And she 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 4: was also very close with Hideki Matsui, was very influential 57 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: from bringing he Deki Matsui to come to the Yankees, 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: who of course won the d VP when won the 59 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 4: Tighter in two thousand and nine against the Phillies. And 60 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 4: Gene Afferman was basically fun and center and she ran 61 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 4: point for basically both those trips, but especially for the 62 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 4: Yankees in two thousand and four when we opened against 63 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 4: the Race. 64 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just incredible sort of what she's seen and 65 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: you know, some of what folks will hear that was 66 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: newer to me of course, or new to me, not 67 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: as new to you as some of the you know, 68 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 2: quite literal. 69 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: Inside baseball, what it's like inside. 70 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: I mean, truly the most iconic baseball franchise of all time, 71 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: led by the most iconic owner of all time, George Steinbrenner, 72 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: the Boss. 73 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed. And you know, I had a really interesting 74 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 4: moment when my daughter Natasha, who was around you know, 75 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: call it seven years old, when she met Jean. She 76 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 4: was like, oh, that's nice. What does she do? And 77 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 4: I said, well, she works for the Yankees and she's 78 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 4: the assistant general manager of Brian Cashman. She goes, wait, 79 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: I'm confused, but she's a woman. Wow, And I said, no, 80 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 4: that's exactly right, Like you can do this one day too. 81 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 4: I mean, Gene Afferman is showing you and millions of 82 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: young ladies around the world that you two can do it. 83 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 4: So that's why I think someone like Gene Afferman is 84 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 4: not just that she's an executive. She was first an agent, 85 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 4: pivoted to being a top executive, one of the highest 86 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 4: top executives for the New York Yankees, and did it 87 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 4: flawlessly over two and a half three decades. And that's 88 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 4: why I feel that she has a place in Cooperstown. 89 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 90 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: Well, from your lips to Cooper's down's ears. We'll see 91 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: if that turns out to be true. And in the meantime, 92 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: I can say it is a highly enjoyable and pretty 93 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: insightful conversation coming up with Gene Afferman. So joining us 94 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: now is Gene Affman. She is the Yankees assistant general manager. 95 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: And I have to say, Gene, one of the real 96 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 2: benefits of working with Alex Rodriguez. There are many, but 97 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: one of them is he knows where the real power 98 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: is and that is the truth when it comes to you. 99 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: So I will start by asking you this, and I 100 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: asked this of all the folks who worked around the Yankees, 101 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 2: do you remember first meeting Alex Trader Guest? 102 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: Oh, I certainly do. I certainly do. And I didn't 103 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: mean to goffa. 104 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 5: I wasn't goafawing at Alex because he does know where 105 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 5: all the power is. 106 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: When I was defawing at you know that I'm the power. 107 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 5: Actually, Alex, you and I met way back in the 108 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 5: last century. Was it ninety five or ninety six on 109 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 5: a plane across the Pacific. 110 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: Ocean too Japan? 111 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: Wow? Wow, Yes, I was, And. 112 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 5: You were just a cult You were a wee baby. 113 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 5: You were sitting in back of me. I was Hideo 114 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 5: Nomo's guest. 115 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: And do you remember it was the US Japan all. 116 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: Start, yeah, with the Ripken and Barry Bonds. 117 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: Yes, was that your rookie season. 118 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 4: It was right after my official rookie season in ninety six, 119 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: going to ninety seven. I believe so all the. 120 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 5: Like Piazza and Bonds and Ripken, they all were sitting. 121 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 5: It was a charter and they're all sitting in first 122 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 5: class and you had to sitting back with the schleppers 123 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 5: us when you were sitting writing back of me, I 124 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 5: think I was with Brian Gray, who was with it 125 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 5: major League Baseball. We had a great time. That was 126 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 5: an incredible trip. That's when I first met Alex Rodriguez. 127 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: And so, Alex, what was your first impression of Gene? 128 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: My first impression with Gene was was when I got 129 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 4: to the Yankees, and I knew of Gene of course before, 130 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 4: but I would I would say our friendship and our 131 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 4: professional relationship also started in two thousand and four when 132 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 4: I got there, and I quickly realized that every big 133 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 4: decision Gene would be right in the middle of it, 134 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 4: and whether it was like writing great documents. I mean 135 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 4: one of her head into gems is she's an amazing writer, 136 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 4: and she does most of the writing from the Yankees. 137 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 4: As I remember, she had a voice of reason. She 138 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 4: was always supportive, she wouldn't put up with any bs, 139 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: but she was always came from a loving place, and 140 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 4: anytime there was something important with the Yankees, I felt 141 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 4: like Jean was a voice of reason. 142 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: Well, my standard response to me, oh pshaw. 143 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: So it's interesting that you mentioned Japan because incredibly timely 144 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: for what's going on in baseball right now. 145 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: It was big back then. 146 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: It has just blossomed into something that I'm maybe you 147 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: expected at the time, maybe you didn't, And maybe that's 148 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: where to start. You've seen this for a long time, 149 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: this connection between Major League Baseball and Japan, the sport 150 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: of baseball in Japan. 151 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: What's the state of it now? 152 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 5: Well, that's over thirty years ago. I keep thinking, you know, 153 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 5: way back in the last century. Over thirty years ago 154 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 5: was when Don Nomura, an incredible agent with whom I worked. 155 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 5: He's my comrade in arms, and we represented Hedeo Nomo together, 156 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 5: and then Alfonso Soriano and Hideki Rabu and we kind 157 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 5: of were sort of the steps along the way I 158 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 5: think to where we are now. And I know that 159 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 5: sounds arrogant, but those are my you know, my fighting days. 160 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: I love them. But you know. 161 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 5: Originally there was an agreement I think signed in nineteen 162 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 5: sixty seven. I think that effectively prohibited Japanese players from 163 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 5: coming to the United States. I mean players would go 164 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 5: over to Japan all the time, but no Japanese players. 165 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 5: Murkami came in the late sixties, but since then there 166 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 5: really hadn't been anybody. So Don and Ire began working 167 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 5: together because as a newly minted lawyer, when he told 168 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 5: me that there were no Japanese players allowed in the US, 169 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 5: I thought, well, that can't be legal. 170 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: So the way that. 171 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 5: The Japanese rules and the US rules worked back then 172 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 5: was there were all these Swiss cheese holes in the 173 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 5: way they lined up, So we just like do what 174 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 5: we could to drive a mac truck through all those holes. 175 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 5: The first one was Nomo, and under the Yakyo kiyaku, 176 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,359 Speaker 5: which is the Japanese rules, if a player voluntarily retires, 177 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 5: he can sign with a US club. So we voluntarily 178 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 5: retired Nomo and he came over here, and there really 179 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 5: wasn't that much of an uproar over it. The Japanese 180 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 5: Commissioner's office didn't really fight us, and the US Commissioner's 181 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 5: office didn't really fight us because nobody thought Japanese. 182 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: Players would have any success over here. 183 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 5: So they thought, oh, well, Nomo will come over here, 184 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 5: there'll be a little distraction, and then he'll just go 185 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 5: right back to Japan. And then, of course Nomo was 186 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 5: phenomenal here, and so then, Alex, you know this, Once 187 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 5: there's success with either a Japanese pitcher or a Cuban pitcher, 188 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 5: the pendulum swings and everybody thinks that every single Japanese 189 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 5: player is going to be Nomo. So other players wanted 190 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: to come to the United States. And after Nomo, they 191 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 5: changed the rules so that you couldn't do that. 192 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: And the way you could do it under their rules 193 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: was Soriano, who Alex knew. Soriano could go. 194 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 5: To salary arbitration lose his salary arbitration in Japan because 195 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 5: their rules at that time were like US rules from 196 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 5: the forties. The arbitration would be heard by the commissioner 197 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 5: and the two presidents of the league, and if the 198 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 5: player lost and didn't accept the salary that was offered, 199 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 5: they would voluntarily retire him as a punitive measure. It 200 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 5: was a punishment for not accepting the salary. So we 201 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 5: went to salary arbitration. We asked for a very reasonable amount. 202 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 5: Of course, we lost, and then we said not going 203 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 5: to accept the salary, and sure enough, boom, they voluntarily 204 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 5: retired him. 205 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: So that's how he came. 206 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 4: Over, So Jane, thinking about how integral and how closely 207 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: you worked with Hideki to get him over to New York. 208 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 4: Obviously an integral part of our championship team in two 209 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: thousand and nine he won the world title. What was 210 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 4: it specifically when you first met Hideki, probably back in 211 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 4: Japan that made you think that he had the talent 212 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 4: and he also had the maturity to play in New 213 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 4: York because you know it's different in New York, and 214 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 4: then basically the poise to do what he did. Was 215 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 4: there anything that stood out to you from his character? 216 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: Just did her out? 217 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: Briefly for those of us who aren't on a first 218 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: name basis, we're talking about Hitdeki Metsui. 219 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: Just for everyone out there, sorry. 220 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 5: There also was Hideki Rabu, who was the start of 221 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 5: the posting system. But actually Matsui I didn't meet him, 222 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 5: but he is one of the reasons why I actually 223 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 5: got started in US Japanese baseball. When I was over 224 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 5: there on an unrelated case, Don took me to a 225 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 5: Yumiri Giants baseball game, and I think that was Matsui's 226 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 5: probably his rookie year, and there was I still remember 227 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 5: standing at the plate stick straight up alex As you remember, 228 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 5: the stick was always straight up and boom, And that's 229 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 5: where I said to Don, how come there aren't more 230 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 5: Japanese players playing here? And with Matsui, he waited the 231 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 5: ten years that they wait for free agency in Japan. 232 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 5: So I waited the ten years and the Yumiri Giants 233 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 5: were I mean, they say the Yankees of Japan huge, 234 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 5: absolutely huge, And Tokyo is just like New York. It's 235 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 5: a huge market, and the Yomurri Shimbun is the paper there. 236 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 5: They have the largest distribution in all of Asia. So 237 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 5: he was used to it. He was used to New York, 238 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 5: he was used to the pressure, he was used to 239 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 5: playing on a championship team, and he had he had 240 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 5: the skills. So I mean, the minute you saw him, 241 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 5: you just new and also I had heard that Babe 242 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 5: Ruth had been his favorite player, so I thought we 243 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 5: had a chance. 244 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: You leaned into that. 245 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: Alex, what do you I mean, what do you remember 246 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: about Matsui? I mean, you know, as you say, that 247 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: was transformational. I mean, Mattsui is obviously transformative to the 248 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: baseball of the team, but I would think, and Alex, 249 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: I'll start with you, he's also transformative to the business 250 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: and the fan base and every like. It globalizes the 251 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: Yankees even more. Could you feel that as a player out? 252 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 4: Oh, there's no question about it. Jason. Look, I mean 253 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 4: before I answer that, let me back up a little bit, 254 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 4: because for our listeners, baseball in Japan is huge. And 255 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 4: what I mean by huge is think about American football 256 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 4: here times five. 257 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: Wow. 258 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 4: It's almost like a monopoly in sports. It is a religion. 259 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 4: They take it very, very seriously. I was just there 260 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 4: a few months ago in Japan, and I could not 261 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 4: believe how much buzz there is Ronald Tani, the Yankees, 262 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: the Dodgers, the Cubs. Going there of course with the Cubs. 263 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 4: But Jason, answer your question about DECI I learned there 264 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 4: so much from him. He was so disciplined, absolutely like 265 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 4: so consistent with his personality. And then one thing that's 266 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 4: unusual for our listeners to know. He was more like 267 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: an American. He was really big. He was large, He 268 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 4: had big, big shoulders, he had strong hands. And usually 269 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: what we've come accustomed to Japanese players back in the 270 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: day was a little bit smaller middle endfielder, a little 271 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: bit more like each row right, each row, And here 272 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: comes to Deki Matu. He was favorite players, you know, 273 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 4: the great Babe Ruth and the rest is history. And 274 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 4: I'll tell you in two thousand and nine he was 275 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: so good. I'll never forget Gene. I never told you this. 276 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 4: Right before Game six, we're sitting in the training room, 277 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: about an hour before the game, Andy pettit's on the mound. 278 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 4: We need one more win to be World champions. And 279 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 4: I wasn't seeing the ball very well off Page Martinez. 280 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 4: And it's about an hour before the game, and I 281 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 4: have Jeene taping my ankles and he's taeping his ankles 282 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 4: Stevie Donald, he was taping his ankles or two trainers 283 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 4: with the Yankees, And I said, what's your game plan? Mantsoui, 284 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 4: And he says, I have a good game plan. I said, 285 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 4: I don't I don't see the ball very well off 286 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: Pedro Martinez. I said, how do you see it? He says, 287 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 4: I see it really, really large. And it was at 288 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: that moment that I changed my game plan to say, 289 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: Matsui's behind me, he sees the ball. Great, I don't 290 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 4: see the ball well, off Pedro. What I'm going to 291 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 4: do is I'm going to be as patient as possible 292 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: and try to pass the baton to the guy who 293 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 4: sees the ball really well. And sure enough, I think 294 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: I walked three times, score three runs, and twice from 295 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 4: Matsui on a home run in a double wow, and 296 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 4: the rest is history. 297 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 5: Can I just say that, Alex, you played a pretty 298 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 5: big part in getting that two thousand and nine World Series, 299 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 5: So you know, I, just as you're saying he was 300 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 5: a big part of it, you are an extremely large 301 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 5: part of. 302 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: That as well. 303 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: So thank you, and so Jane, this has been sort 304 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: of written about it and talked about obviously of late 305 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: with Joheotani tell us about what Japan means to the 306 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: global business of baseball, what it means to the Yankees. 307 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: It feels massively influential financially you would understand that better 308 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: than anyone, so so help us frame it. 309 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: I think two things about Nomo. 310 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 5: When he first came, remember that was just right after 311 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 5: the ninety four strike, when fans were disgusted with baseball. 312 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: They were disgusted with the owners, discussed with the players, 313 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 5: they wanted nothing to do with anything. And I really 314 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 5: feel that Nomo brought fans back into the ballpark. And 315 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 5: then the other thing is that I think that Nomo 316 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 5: actually made Major League Baseball international because before then, I know, Alex, 317 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 5: you were just a wee baby. You may not remember this, 318 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 5: but before then international there really wasn't any international. I mean, 319 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 5: obviously clubs were very active in the Dominican Republic, but 320 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 5: there really wasn't broadcasting and merchandising. And as Alex said, 321 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 5: baseball is huge in Japan, I mean absolutely huge. So 322 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 5: when he came to the Dodgers, I mean, oh my god, 323 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 5: the Dodgers were just I mean the amount of money 324 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 5: he was making for them, and for Major League Baseball International, 325 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 5: they just had to bring it in wheelbarrows. So they 326 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 5: are very supportive of their players. Initially not so much. 327 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 5: Initially they feel that when they come over here, they're 328 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 5: portraying the pump professional baseball and abandoning baseball there. But 329 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 5: once they come here, they have so much success. It's 330 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 5: like carrying the pride of Japan on their shoulders. And obviously, 331 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 5: you know, sponsorships come with that, broadcasting comes with that, 332 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 5: and then other young Japanese players. 333 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: See this and dream of playing in the major leagues. 334 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 5: And so it's expanded the market dramatically for broadcasting. And 335 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 5: I think it's great for the game. I mean, international 336 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 5: baseball is great for the game of baseball. 337 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: And what about for the Yankees. I mean, the Yankees 338 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: are a massive brand. They're one of the most valuable 339 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: teams on the planet in any sport. But how do 340 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: you take advantage of that? I mean, this is part 341 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: of your remit as I understand, is like understanding how 342 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: the Yankees brand and how the Yankee business can work 343 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: across Asia. 344 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 4: Right. 345 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 5: Well, I'm not in the sponsorship and marketing department, but 346 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 5: but you know, we had all kinds of ideas at 347 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 5: the time of how to exploit is. 348 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: Such a bad take advantage of. 349 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: Connotation, but the good side of exploit. 350 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 5: We had all kinds of ideas of how to exploit 351 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 5: this you know we're going to do streaming right after 352 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 5: the game. The sheer demand for access to Matsui and 353 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 5: the Yankees was enormous. And in two thousand and four, Alex, 354 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 5: you were on that trip. 355 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 4: Ruh, Yes, yeah, we played the Rays, I believe. 356 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 5: Yes, we played the Rays to open the season in Japan, 357 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 5: and I mean the fans were crazy and they were 358 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,239 Speaker 5: just crazy. They would drive up on the sidewalk, you know, 359 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 5: to get to our superstars and that was a great trip. 360 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 4: So, Geen, I want to transition to the late George Steinbrenner, 361 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 4: which both you and I have an incredible admiration for him. 362 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 4: And to think that he bought this franchise for ten 363 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 4: point seven million dollars in nineteen seventy three, I believe 364 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 4: from ABC is wild. He did something that was not 365 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 4: so popular at the time, putting someone like yourself in 366 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 4: a very powerful position. And Susan Waldman, I mean incredible 367 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 4: for him to do that ahead of his time. What 368 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: have you learned? What did you learn from George Steinberner 369 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 4: and what lessons do you still apply that you have 370 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 4: today that you carry on? 371 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 5: Oh wow, Well remember George and Brian Cashman, also Kim 372 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 5: ang was my predecessor's. So the only owner and general 373 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 5: manager in all of professional sports have not one, but 374 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 5: two female assistant general managers. And I always tell people, 375 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 5: and Alex, you probably probably say the same thing. Everything 376 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 5: good and everything bad. You ever heard about mister Steinberger, 377 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 5: It's all true. No, he was larger than life. He 378 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 5: was legendary. He was he should be in the Hall 379 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 5: of Fame, extraordinarily disciplined. You know, it was all about 380 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 5: the team. The players had to have everything. And I 381 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 5: think Alex, I don't know if you remember when it 382 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 5: was raining, he would get really pissed off at Robbie Kakuza, 383 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 5: the clubhouse manager, because you wanted every player to have 384 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 5: a little cloth to wipe their bat off with, and 385 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 5: if there was a rain delay, there should be mattresses 386 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 5: in the clubhouse. You know, it was all for the players. 387 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 5: I think he was the first owner to provide omelets, 388 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 5: you know, for Sunday brunch for all the players. 389 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: But I think what I learned from him is always 390 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: be prepared. I mean we would go into meetings. 391 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 5: And he had an unerring sense of what you didn't know, 392 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 5: so you'd go in prepared for the meeting and then 393 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 5: he'd ask you that one thing, that one thing that 394 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 5: you didn't know. But early on I learned that I 395 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 5: would say, I don't I don't know that. I don't 396 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 5: have the answer to that, but I will go and 397 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 5: get the answer and come back. Yeah, before I came 398 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 5: to the Yankees, i'd call him George. When I came 399 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 5: to the Yankees, I'd call him mister Steinbrenner. So he said, 400 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 5: whenever anybody's. 401 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: Is that right? 402 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: But I never call him the boss because that's Bruce Springsteen. 403 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: I just want to make that. 404 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 5: You know, a lot of the old timers at the Yankees, 405 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 5: you know we miss him. 406 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 4: At the time, we didn't and Gene along the same lines, 407 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 4: I'll never forget in the World Series when he went 408 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 4: into the Shay Stadium and said this furniture is not 409 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: good enough and he literally had Robbie Gokuza change it. 410 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was unbelievable. But one quick question on 411 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: what is the biggest difference. I think how has done 412 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 4: an extraordinary job with what he's doing today and the 413 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 4: resources spending and the commitment level, just like George. What 414 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 4: would you say is the difference between George versus How 415 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 4: For our listeners. 416 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: Well, part of it you hit on listening. 417 00:20:54,560 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 5: Hal is a rational, reasonable, smart man who it's kind 418 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 5: of ironic because if he doesn't know the answer or 419 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 5: the subject matter, he will learn it. 420 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: He goes to the players, talks with. 421 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 5: Them, asks their opinion, ask the opinion of everybody in 422 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 5: the organization. Hal is a I would say, a very 423 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 5: enlightened leader, whereas George was more slightly dictator ish. 424 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 4: We love that. 425 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: Because you know what you were getting. Yeah, and it's generational. 426 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 5: You know. Hal's a different kind of leader. He's a 427 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 5: I mean, George would be out of this would not 428 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 5: be his time period. Some of the things he said 429 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 5: and did, Oh my lord, there would be so many lawsuits, but. 430 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: Fair to say. And talked to us about Brian Cashman. 431 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a partnership that you've been involved 432 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: in for you know, now multiple decades. He obviously has 433 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: a probably as high a profile, if not higher, than 434 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: just about anyone in the business of baseball, maybe even 435 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: across sports. He is extremely well known. Talk to us 436 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: about your partnership with him, And I know Alex sort 437 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: of witnessed it, but I'm curious how you see it. 438 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: I had met. 439 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 5: Brian when I was representing players and we got along. 440 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 5: We got along, and then when he asked me to 441 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 5: be his assistant general manager, I thought I'd be there 442 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 5: for a couple of years. My first contract was two 443 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 5: years plus a club option. I thought I'd be right 444 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 5: back in California after that. But Brian is remarkable. I mean, 445 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 5: people say, the hardest job, you know, is being the 446 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 5: general manager of the New York Yankees. And they asked him, like, 447 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 5: what's the hardest job you ever had or what's the 448 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 5: messiest job? And he said, well, you know, cleaning out 449 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: horse stalls in Kentucky is much messier than being the 450 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 5: general manager of the New York Yankees. But Alex, you 451 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 5: know this, I'm being a Yankee is different than being 452 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 5: any as a player, as you know, a coach as 453 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 5: a general manager, and he's had to, you know, put 454 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 5: together these teams for wow, twenty five thirty years, and 455 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 5: it's not always the money that's the thing. And even 456 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 5: if you do have a large paycheck, you've got to 457 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 5: spend it wisely and you have to have the depth 458 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 5: to be able to get through a season. 459 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: And he's just remarkable. 460 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 5: He's very even keeled, great sense that Alex knows this 461 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 5: great sense of humor, doesn't get flustered like Hal. He's 462 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 5: a big listener, gets the advice of everybody in the organization. 463 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: And I think that's why he's lasted so long. Is 464 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: it's that. 465 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 5: And he also, you know it doesn't really have a 466 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 5: very big ego. Is also the key. 467 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: It's it's really a team effort for him. 468 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, Geene Brian Cashman has a lot of qualities. One 469 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 4: of them is very tough, and you have to be right. 470 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 4: You have to be thick skin to play in a 471 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 4: market like New York, where yeah, you may have a 472 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 4: lot of resources, but the scrutiny is brighter, the lights 473 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: are brighter, and the expectations are much higher. But in 474 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 4: two thousand and nine, I don't know if it was 475 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 4: May where we were maybe May June. We were kind 476 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 4: of a little bit of a funk and that team 477 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 4: didn't get in a lot of funks. But it was 478 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 4: early and we weren't playing well, and he flew into Atlanta. 479 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: We had a players only meeting with Cashman. I think 480 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 4: he was gonna scream at us. He didn't scream at us. 481 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 4: He was constructive. He said, guys, we got to get 482 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 4: better this that the other thing which I don't want 483 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: to share here. And from that day on we played 484 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 4: almost seven to fifty baseball and obviously went on to 485 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 4: win the world title. So for me, that was a 486 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 4: great sign of not only high level what you have 487 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 4: with what he has to do with George and how 488 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 4: on the finance side, but the personality and the eq 489 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 4: to go into a room of twenty five players and 490 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 4: tell us exactly how it is. I think that was 491 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 4: a big reason why we won the title in two 492 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 4: thousand and nine. 493 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 5: I agree. I think you also hit on something. He 494 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 5: always says, you run towards a problem. You don't avoid it, 495 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 5: run towards it. And I always joke with him that 496 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 5: he doesn't really have a bedside manner with players. Sometimes 497 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 5: I refer to players as gardens that need tending. You know, 498 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 5: you have to have sometimes a light that's not him. 499 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 5: He knew will just and that probably in the meeting he's. 500 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 4: Just no bod right. 501 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 5: He will sit down with the player, and every player 502 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 5: knows that I'm not. 503 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: Gonna lie to you, I'm not going to bolk at you. 504 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 5: I'm going to I'm going to look you in the 505 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 5: eye I'm going to tell you the truth. And there 506 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 5: were so many times when George would tell him, you 507 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 5: go down there, you scream at those players, you've cut 508 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 5: the money, you whatever you need to do, and he would, 509 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 5: you know, not his head, and then he would go 510 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 5: he wouldn't do that, he would go down he'd have 511 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 5: a notebook conversation. I always worry whenever I do an 512 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 5: interview and people go, oh, how refreshing, You're so authentic. 513 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: I've just embarrassed my mother. 514 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: And so Jean, Alex and I are always I think 515 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: one of the many things we share an interest in 516 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 2: is how people manage their careers. And you know, you 517 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: talked about how how Brian has done it? How have 518 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: you done it? You know, I mean having this long 519 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: of a tenure at a single organization, and listen, many 520 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: people would look and say, it's a dream job. 521 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 3: It's a hard job. 522 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: You're at the highest level at you know, one of 523 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 2: the most you know, dominant, historic, high expectation organizations in 524 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: the world. How have you managed it? And and how 525 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 2: do you how do you manage a career like that? 526 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 5: Well? I I you know, and once again I'm not 527 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 5: I'm not saying this out of any arrogance. But I 528 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 5: always want little girls and little boys to see that 529 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 5: there are women in these positions in baseball, because if 530 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 5: you see it, then you can imagine yourself there. 531 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: So when I. 532 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 5: Represented players, I was told that I was the only 533 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 5: certified player agent, you know, certified by the MLBPA at 534 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 5: the time. And then I was the third woman assistant GM, 535 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 5: and for period of time I was the only one, 536 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 5: and then my very good friend Miquel Ferreira, my brother 537 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 5: I call her, became the assistant GM at the Red Sox. 538 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 5: Now there are other women assistant gms. But I was 539 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 5: lucky to be at the right place at the right time. 540 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 5: So starting in Japanese baseball was just I just happened 541 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 5: to be there. And I was lucky to work with 542 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 5: Dona Mora. I was lucky to work with Gene Orza Alex. 543 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: You remember Jean. 544 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 5: He's just an incredible He was the general counsel of 545 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 5: the of the PA and just an incredible smart man, 546 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 5: and he kind of took us under his wing. So 547 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 5: lucky to work with and for Brian Cashman and George Steinbrenner. 548 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 5: So part of it is part of it's me, but 549 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 5: part of it's also working with people who can recognize 550 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 5: your talent or what you can do, and who allow 551 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 5: you to to be your most skilled. It's like, Alex, 552 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 5: It's like it's like where you where you're most. 553 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: Comfortable in the batting order. You just you know, you want. 554 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 5: People have to give you the opportunity to do your 555 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 5: best stuff. And I was lucky that I had people 556 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 5: giving me the opportunity to do. 557 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: My best stuff. 558 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 2: Geene, I want to I want to press you on 559 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: one element and almost based on what you said earlier 560 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: in the conversation, press you and maybe even correct you. Sorry, 561 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: you know, because you said, you know you're at the 562 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: right place at the right time with the Japanese baseball piece. 563 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: But based on what you said earlier, it sounds like 564 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: that was an opportunity that could be identified by other people. 565 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 2: But then you did it, and that does seem to 566 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: be a difference. You know that you said, Okay, we're 567 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: going to identify these loopholes and then we're going to 568 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: figure out what they are going to take advantage of them, 569 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 2: and then when they move, we're going to try to 570 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: So I mean, I dare say I feel like maybe 571 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: you're not giving yourself enough credit for I mean, that 572 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: was pioneering and revolutionary at the time and really changed 573 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: the game, right, I'm not. 574 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 5: Using any false modesty. I mean I was also lucky 575 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 5: that I worked with players Nomo and sorran Oni Rabu 576 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 5: who really like they put their lives on the line. 577 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 5: They could have been out of baseball pumping gas, you know, 578 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 5: just their careers could have been over, and they trusted 579 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 5: Don and I and I mean, I love the challenge. 580 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 5: The challenge was amazing, and we really felt that we 581 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 5: were doing something important and it was our version of 582 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 5: baseball civil rights, you know, and it was really exciting. 583 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 5: And I was probably I wasn't that young, but I 584 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 5: was probably you know, I just had the blinders on 585 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 5: and I just felt we're doing the right thing and 586 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 5: we can't fail. 587 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: But I still think I've just been really lucky, really mucky. 588 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 4: Jane, You've been really lucky, but you've been really really 589 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 4: good and you're great at your job. I guess I 590 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 4: have a two part question for you. One, as a 591 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 4: young woman in the world of sports, there weren't a 592 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: lot of women in the world of sports. A lot 593 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: of times, many times you were the only woman in 594 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 4: the room, which is incredible. But I guess, did you 595 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 4: ever have any imposter syndrome? And what do you think 596 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 4: is your superpower? 597 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: I still have imposter syndrome. I still have imposter syndrome. 598 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, memory is. 599 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 5: Such a funny thing, you know, it's probably the most 600 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 5: unreliable thing we have. 601 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: So in order to prepare for this podcast, I actually 602 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: went back and. 603 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 5: Reviewed reviewed everything that I'd done, and I looked up 604 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 5: the rules and the posting system and all that, you know, 605 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 5: because I figured people are going to listen and go, wow, 606 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 5: she doesn't know what the she's talking about. But I 607 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 5: did have imposter syndrome a lot. I didn't as a 608 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 5: player representative, and I always enjoyed working with players, never 609 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 5: had any you know, discrimination from players on the club side. 610 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 5: A little bit more maybe, but I was constantly, you know, 611 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 5: carrying around the basic Agreement and the Major League rules 612 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 5: with me and you know, flipping through it on whenever 613 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 5: I could. And if you are the only one in 614 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 5: the room, and sometimes I probably said things, you know, 615 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 5: just to shock people. 616 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 4: And what is your super power? I know you're trying 617 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 4: to avoid, Oh, my superpower? 618 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 5: I guess my superpower is over the years, and as 619 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 5: a player, you have to do this. I developed a 620 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 5: thicker and thicker and thicker skin, and I think, I 621 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 5: hope one of my superpowers is. 622 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: That I care so damn much. I just care about 623 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: my job. 624 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 5: I'm doing well every single day, and I live in 625 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 5: fear and dread even now, thirty something years later, that 626 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 5: on any. 627 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 4: Given day, well, Jeane, you're not. You're doing a terrible 628 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 4: job of talking about your super power. So I'll do 629 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 4: it for you. O God, you do not no, honestly, 630 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 4: like we were together for you know, parts of fifteen years, 631 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 4: maybe a little bit more. And I watched your career. 632 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 4: I studied your career through thick and thin. You're always 633 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: fair and you're always honest, and in many ways you 634 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 4: have been a role model to me because you always 635 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 4: handled yourself in such a regal manner. And I come 636 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 4: from a single mother, and watching you, I can just 637 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 4: see my mother up there and be the only woman 638 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 4: in the room. I just think is an extraordinary thing. 639 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 4: And I know, I know there there'll be hundreds, if 640 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 4: not thousands of young women that will look at you 641 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 4: as a role model and will study your career. 642 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 5: Alex, thank you so much. That's a really lovely thing 643 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 5: to say. I'm going to need a recording of this. 644 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 5: I'm gonna play it every morning, Good morning before I 645 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 5: start my day. 646 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: Your affirmation. All right, So we're gonna move to our 647 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: lightning round. This is just five questions. We're gonna do 648 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: it real quick. Alex now bounced back and forth and 649 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: just you know, say whatever jumps into your mind. 650 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 3: All right, you ready? 651 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay. 652 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: What's the best piece of advice you've ever received on 653 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: deal making or business? 654 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: No substitute for the written word. 655 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 4: What's your dream deal making partner? 656 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: Well, Brian Cashman, what's the most nervous you've ever been? 657 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: I can't say now right now. 658 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 5: The most nervous I've ever been? You know what the 659 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 5: first time I walked into court when I was litigating. 660 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 4: What's your hype song before a big meeting or negotiation? 661 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: Dammit, dammit. 662 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 5: It's an Australian band and I can never think of 663 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 5: the name. But it's an Australian band. It's an Australian band. 664 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 5: I can't think of the name though. 665 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, how does it go? Sing it? 666 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 5: Oh? 667 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: I can't behind it. 668 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: I do have a I mean I have a quote. 669 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 3: I have a quote, that's my right that. 670 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 5: I have two quotes that I always say, and they're 671 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 5: from Lady Macbeth, who's. 672 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: Not really a role model for anybody. But one is 673 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: that if you screw your courage. 674 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 5: To the sticking post, you can't fail. And the other, 675 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 5: which actually isn't from Lady Macbeth, but I used to 676 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 5: tell myself turn your blood to ice. 677 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: And your blood to ice. Turn your blood to ice, 678 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: and then walk in. My mother taught me something. 679 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 5: She said, whenever you walk into a meeting, you have 680 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 5: to tell yourself, you know these affirmations, I'm smart, I'm this, 681 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 5: I'm that, and then your last your last word to 682 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 5: yourself is and I have a secret. 683 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: So if you walk in and I have a secret, 684 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: everybody just is like, what is what is going on there? 685 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: What is happening there? 686 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 3: WHOA that is really good? 687 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: I have a secret. 688 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: That's really good. 689 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 4: All right? 690 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: So what's your advice for someone listening who wants a 691 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: career like yours, which is unmatched? 692 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: You know what? And then, once again I hope this 693 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: doesn't sound sappy. 694 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 5: Education, education, education, and put the blinders on, do the work, 695 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 5: do it well. 696 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: Don't let anybody tell you you can't do it, and 697 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: just you know, move forward. You can do anything if 698 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: you use your mind. 699 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 5: And I realized that that may be disingenuous because a 700 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 5: lot of people don't have an opportunity for an education, 701 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 5: and a lot of people don't have, you know, opportunities 702 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 5: come their way. But I would say that that even 703 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 5: if you're not going to get paid, which I wasn't 704 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 5: paid early in my baseball career, whatever you can do, 705 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 5: if a job comes your way, take it and then 706 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 5: make yourself indispensable. 707 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 3: That's really good. 708 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: Well, I have to say there have been a lot 709 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 2: of text flying back and forth between me and Alex 710 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: in anticipation of this one, Gene, and you really delivered 711 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 2: and then some so thank you so much for spending 712 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 2: some time with us. 713 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: It was a real treat to see the two of 714 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: you chop it up. 715 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 4: Thank you, Gene. 716 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm so honored that you asked me. I'm so honored, 717 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: and Alex. It's great to be working together again, the 718 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: same team again. 719 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 5: I know. 720 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 4: I'm so happy. Thank you. 721 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, gentlemen, Thank you very much. 722 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 2: The Deal is hosted by Alex Rodriguez and me Jason 723 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: Kelly This episode was made by Annamasarekus, Stacey Wong, and 724 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: Lizzie Phillip. Amy Keene is our editor. Music is made 725 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: by Blake Maples. Our executive producers are Kelly Leferrier, Ashley Hoenig, 726 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: and Brenda Nonham. Sage Bauman is the head of Bloomberg Podcasts. 727 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 2: Additional support from Rachel Carnivale and Elena sos Angeles. Thanks 728 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: so much for listening to the deal. If you have 729 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 2: a minute, subscribe, rate and review our show. It'll help 730 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,439 Speaker 2: other listeners find us. I'm Jason Kelly. See you next week.