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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. In this world right

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Speaker 1: now that this political season where we're seeing a bunch

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Speaker 1: of discussion about the cost of groceries, the cost of food,

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Speaker 1: price fixing, all of that, I started thinking back about

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Speaker 1: my time as I was campaigning, going from farm to

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Speaker 1: farm and what our farmers were really struggling with, and

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Speaker 1: the amount of farmers that said to me, we just

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Speaker 1: need help. We need someone who's going to be there

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Speaker 1: for us, who's going to support us, and government regulation

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Speaker 1: is coming down on us and it's been very hard.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's a story that people don't really

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Speaker 1: know the family farm. If you are not a family farmer,

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Speaker 1: they don't understand the struggles. So we're bringing someone in

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Speaker 1: today who grew up on a dairy farm and understands

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Speaker 1: the struggles of dairy farming in Wisconsin. His name is

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Speaker 1: Brian Reisinger. He grew up on a family farm in

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Speaker 1: rural Wisconsin and has spent his career in journalism writing

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Speaker 1: about the hidden stories of rural America. And he's the

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Speaker 1: author of the new book land Rich, Cash for My

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Speaker 1: Family's Hope and the Untold Story of the Disappearing American Farmer. Brian, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me on twitor.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it absolutely, thank you for coming on. So

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Speaker 1: I was reading your stories and I guess I didn't

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that struck me most was the

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Speaker 1: Angel Network for Farmers. We've heard so much about the

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Speaker 1: mental health crisis in the United States, and we hear

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Speaker 1: about food prices and all of the things driving food prices.

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Speaker 1: But wow, there's really something happening at our family farms

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Speaker 1: that is devastating, and I just thought maybe you could

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Speaker 1: kind of expand on your experience in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually touch on that in some of the

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Speaker 2: opening pages of the book. You know, my own dad,

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Speaker 2: when we were going through some changes on our farm,

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Speaker 2: had some very serious mental health issues that he dealt with,

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Speaker 2: and I'm so grateful that he's here, but I'm so

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Speaker 2: grateful that he was willing to share with me. So

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Speaker 2: we talked a lot about it. And our farm was

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Speaker 2: going through a transition where we were going from milking

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Speaker 2: dairy cows to selling that herd because of the economic

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Speaker 2: pressures and trying to diversify and change our business. And

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Speaker 2: so we raise effers now and we raised beef for

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Speaker 2: consumers when we raise cash cops. But during that transition,

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Speaker 2: it felt like he was losing not just his job

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Speaker 2: but who he was, his heritage, everything. He was the

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Speaker 2: fourth generation. We'd milked cars for more than a century,

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Speaker 2: and so he felt like, who am I? Why am

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Speaker 2: about having those thoughts, and we struggled with that, we

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Speaker 2: worked through that, and it's an amazing thing because right

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Speaker 2: down the road there was another farmer who, unlike my dad,

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Speaker 2: couldn't find the hope that he needed and did unfortunately

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Speaker 2: take his life and his own son found him. And

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Speaker 2: you know, that's something that excuse me. I'm sorry, that's

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Speaker 2: something that you know, we all fear when we live

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Speaker 2: this way life and when this sort of thing is happening,

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Speaker 2: and something good came of it, which is the Farmer

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Speaker 2: Engine Network. And the Farmer Engine Network launched because it

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Speaker 2: was inspired by the death of this farmer, and it's

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Speaker 2: right in my home county. And so when I think

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Speaker 2: experiences places like where I'm from, a really the appa

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Speaker 2: center for this issue, and it's economic issue that's driving

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Speaker 2: increasing food prices and food and security. It's a problem

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Speaker 2: that has so many national security, ecological, all kinds of issues,

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Speaker 2: but it also is a mental health issue, and so

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that you'd ask about that, and it's something

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Speaker 2: that families really deal with. And I think what people

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Speaker 2: rural America is much like the one that we see

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Speaker 2: and it is wrapped up in so many of other problems,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I listened to this, and I think

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Speaker 1: we oftentimes talk about mental health and don't fully dive

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Speaker 1: deeply into what that means. And this is you talk

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Speaker 1: those other generations down? But it's a different environment. And

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Speaker 1: And I think that people don't understand that there's commodity

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Speaker 1: whether it's fertilizer or whether it's feed or whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: has gone up and we can't change our price. Can

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Speaker 1: people understand that this is it's like a trap these

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Speaker 2: It really is. It's a trap that is so difficult

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Speaker 2: and treacherous specifically for farmers, but I think it's one

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Speaker 2: run a farm are just going up. Right, energy, seed, fertilize,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is, they're just going up. And what's happening

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Speaker 2: to the prices that farmers are paid. They're going up,

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Speaker 2: they're going down. They might be falling if they are rising,

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Speaker 2: they're not rising at the same rate as those costs, right,

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Speaker 2: So in many ways, that's what households face, and it's

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Speaker 2: put on steroids with farms because each year you get

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Speaker 2: you have, no matter how hard you work, you're just

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Speaker 2: getting by a little bit less. And that's really what

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Speaker 2: happened to farmers when I was growing up. You know,

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Speaker 2: my great grandparents survived on subsistence farming pre World War

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Speaker 2: Great Depression, my parents survived the farm crisis. In our case,

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Speaker 2: we saw just like you know, manufacturing jobs in the Midwest,

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Speaker 2: all kinds of other different things that have slipped. We

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Speaker 2: of being land rich. Cash for where you have this

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Speaker 2: land that is worth so much financially but also emotionally

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Speaker 2: in every way you could imagine, but it's harder and

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Speaker 2: harder to make a living on it. So you could

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Speaker 2: sell it, but you would lose everything in doing that,

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Speaker 1: Well, and you can sell it, but we lose then too,

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Speaker 1: where does the food come from? Where does the food spot?

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Speaker 1: We have a worldwide population that struggles with hunger. How

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Speaker 1: Like wait, this issue is creeping over into the family farm.

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Speaker 1: And so that's what we've seen across the state of

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing this, I mean, it's an interesting week

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Speaker 1: I've gotten Michigan people who are saying to me, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're really looking at expanding solar farms, which I think

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Speaker 1: of well, in the situation of climate crisis, government may

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Speaker 1: And so our farmers keep telling me, we have a

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Speaker 1: leaching off of those solar panels. To be quite honest,

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Speaker 1: this is not something that has been widely talked about,

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Speaker 1: also these wind farms are going up, They're going up

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Speaker 1: because you've got the the movement, the noise of the

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Speaker 1: like that. And there really is a cost to this

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Speaker 2: Well, the issue affects so many things in so many ways,

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Speaker 2: and you're so right about how far reaching it is.

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Speaker 2: I am talking a lot about how the hollowing out

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Speaker 2: One of the first things you touched on was food prices,

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Speaker 2: and you're absolutely right. The loss of our farms is

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Speaker 2: are also national security issues with more and more of

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Speaker 2: something that is becoming easier to do as farms get

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Speaker 2: into fewer hands. There are environmental and ecological dilemmas. Whatever

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Speaker 2: environmental issues, we can all agree, should all be able

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Speaker 2: that farmers need, that's something environmentalists care about. So there

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Speaker 2: are all these things that if we continue to lose

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Speaker 2: made worse by the disappearance of our farms. And that's

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Speaker 1: What can you do when prices are controlled though? How

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Speaker 1: How do we get people to peel back those layers

435
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: and say, okay, well, price fixing is actually not the

436
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: answer because ultimately it doesn't solve all of the problems

437
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: that come our way down underneath that.

438
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: Yep, it's a great question. One of the things that

439
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 2: I found as I was looking at this issue and

440
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 2: each era of history, we tried to find kind of

441
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: a hidden story beneath the surface. What was driving the

442
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 2: disciplarance of these farms and happened decade every decade. So

443
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: it is going to take a lot of different parts

444
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: of a solution to fix something that happened decade after decade,

445
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 2: compounding like that, and there aren't going to be quick fixes,

446
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 2: but there are some clear things we can do. One

447
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: of the things that I say to people is when

448
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: you talk to an electici or someone running for office

449
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: next time they're in a parade or knocking on your

450
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: door or hand and outlet, whatever they're doing, ask them,

451
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: what are you doing to create new opportunities for our farmers?

452
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 2: Not just what are you doing to support the farmers.

453
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: People who've been running for office for a very long

454
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 2: time have known to say, oh, I support the farmers,

455
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 2: and they've got, you know, some sort of thing that

456
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: they've done, and you know, whether it's lip service or

457
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: whether it's a real thing, everybody knows you say you

458
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: support the farmers. Of course, what are you doing to

459
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: create new opportunities for our farmers. The reason that ties

460
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: back to your question is because if there are more

461
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: entrepreneurial opportunities for our farmers to be able to sell

462
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 2: more types of food and fiber and more places and

463
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: more ways, there are more choices for consumers. And there's

464
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: a really great example of this. If in Michigan you'll

465
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: forgive the Wisconsin bragging for a moment, I think it's

466
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: something we can all relate on. There was a issue

467
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin where we were overtaken in milk production by

468
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: California back in the nineties when I was going up,

469
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: and this is the Happy cous controversy. Everyone was pissed

470
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: and what did Wisconsin do well? Wisconsin focused on, Okay,

471
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: we're going to be the number one cheese producer, you know,

472
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: aduct of milk, so we were still in the running

473
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: for this and wisconstantly to maintain that title. On how

474
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: did they do it? They did it by having a

475
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: master Cheesemaker program that made sure that our cheese factories

476
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: were run by small proprietors who were masters of their craft,

477
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: and we created a rural regional economy. It is very entrepreneurial.

478
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: So rather than just creating the types of cheese that

479
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: were needed, you know, nationwide, and that we're maybe driven

480
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 2: by certain types of programs or what have you, started

481
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: creating all these amazing varieties and it was very entrepreneurial

482
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: and so on the farm side, what that did is

483
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 2: it gave us more small cheese factories to sell milk to,

484
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: along with the larger dairy processors along you know, all

485
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: of all of these folks. You need, all of these

486
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: different chains in the economy, and farmers had more places

487
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: to sell well. Also, consumers had more places to buy cheese.

488
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: You could go to the supermarket, or you can go

489
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: down a Cedar Grove cheese factory and you know, buy

490
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: that cheese you need for the tailgate party that melts

491
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: just right. I mean, there's all kinds of things. So

492
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: it's more choices for consumers and that also helps. And

493
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: so these are the kinds solutions that we need, not

494
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: quick fixes.

495
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: And I think that it's I mean, that's that's the

496
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that we aren't thinking about. We aren't

497
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 1: thinking about that kind of innovation. And I think that

498
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, people like me, I'm like, I'm just going

499
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: to go to the grocery store and it will be there.

500
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: And I don't think about the fact that it might

501
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: not be there if we don't protect the family farms.

502
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: And so as I went around our state and I

503
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: kept hearing these farmers and just the intensity of those

504
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: jobs is so much different than how I grew up.

505
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: You know, I went to one of our dairy farms

506
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: in the up and I remember the dairy farmer being like, man,

507
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's been tough. They had lost a they

508
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: had it was a family, like multiple families that were

509
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: running the farm, multiple generations, i'll say, and they had

510
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: lost one of their family members and it was a

511
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: huge toll on the family farm. And he was like, yeah,

512
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the cows don't wait. You have

513
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: to be up out there at like four every morning

514
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: and getting ready to milk the cows. And it struck me.

515
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, gosh, no weekends. I take what I take

516
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: for granted, and these farmers are putting their entire lives

517
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: into making sure that I have milk on the table

518
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: for my kids. And really that's a life calling. I mean,

519
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: it's a calling to be on a farm like that

520
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: if you can just walk through. Because I think that's

521
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: why it hit me so hard. When I read about

522
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: the farmers who had been committing suicide and that this

523
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: had become a real problem with the family farm, because

524
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: I think that calling gets disrupted, and this is something

525
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: where these people have poured every hour of their day

526
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: into making sure that my family has what they need.

527
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: If you can just kind of explain that from your

528
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: perspective growing up on a farm.

529
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I think a little bit about my dad

530
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: when I think about this, and then it fits into

531
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: my childhood. So my great grandpa came here and started

532
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: our farm, passed it to my grandpa, who passed it

533
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: to his son, my dad, and my dad at the

534
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: tender age of eight, stepped up to work on the

535
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: farm because my grandpa fell off a corn crib thirty

536
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: feet and broke his back in the middle of winter.

537
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: So my dad, at the tender age of eight was

538
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: asked to step up and help with the farm. And

539
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: so this man who years later was weeping over his cows.

540
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the strength he started at age eight

541
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: and never stopped. He started doing the work of a man.

542
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: Then he's been doing it for more than sixty years.

543
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: And so I grew up with that seeing that, and

544
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: you know, We got up every morning at four am

545
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: to help him work. And what you're really taught is

546
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: and it's not meant in a bad way, but what

547
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: you're taught is to keep your head down and get

548
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: the work done. And there's a lot of beauty to it.

549
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: You live close to the land. I remember my dad

550
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: helping baby calves be born and waiting to see if

551
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: they take their first breath. You know, you get to

552
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: see that kind of thing. You get to see the

553
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: sun rise over the land. But you also wake up

554
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: and you get up in the morning and you do

555
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: chores before school, and then in the summertime or when

556
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: we're getting ready to go into the field, you're picking

557
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: rock by hand because we didn't have a rock picker

558
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: to pull behind the tractor yet. Thankfully my dad got

559
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: one after a couple of years. Grew up with that

560
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: kind of thing. When I was fourteen, my dad ended

561
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: up being sick. He had some internal bleeding that it

562
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: turned out was much more serious. It ended up being

563
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: it was internal bleeding they had to do with some

564
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: stomach issues. It turned out it was cancer, so he

565
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: had some very serious operations known. So at the age

566
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: of fourteen, my mom sat me down and said it's

567
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: your turnout, you know, and you grow up with that,

568
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: and you know that if you don't do it, it's

569
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: not just your dad's job, but it's your home, it's

570
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: your community, it's everyone you know, it's your way of life,

571
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: it's your heritage. It's a whole century of every generation

572
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: doing that. And so every generation looks at that and says,

573
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: will we make it? Can we go on? And the

574
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: answer has to be yes. And when it's not, farmers

575
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: are faced with the choice of either continuing on and

576
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: failing to provide for their families, or not continuing on,

577
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: selling out and losing everything else. And it's really a

578
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: completely unanswerable dilemma. And that's why there's such a weight

579
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: that farmers carry.

580
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: And I think that for people listening, you have to

581
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: understand that this is something you learn. I mean, I'm

582
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing from you, what I heard you just say,

583
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: is this is something you learn growing up. You don't

584
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: become a farmer. You've either lived the life and it's

585
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: passed down from generation to generation. There aren't kids that

586
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: are graduating from college and saying, you know what, I

587
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: think I'll go buy some land and start up a

588
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: big dairy farm, that's not going to happen. And if

589
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: we lose these family farms, and if we allow China

590
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: to come in and buy up our land, and that's

591
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: something that I think people a few years back in

592
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: Texas started going, man, a lot of our land is

593
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: being bought up by the Chinese. They're not farming. What

594
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: is happening here? Once we lose these and this is

595
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: kind of I come from the steel industry, and it

596
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: was the same thing we kept saying, once we lose

597
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: all these foundries, people don't go, Man, I want to

598
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: go get a metallurgical degree and see if I can

599
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: start up a steel foundry. And it was a similar

600
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: situation where once the prices of materials went up, when

601
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: nickel went up, when molly went up, when all these

602
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: these components went up, we couldn't re We couldn't bring

603
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: in those prices, you know, we couldn't rehab our factory

604
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, we're going to recover this in some

605
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: other place. There wasn't a place to recover it. It

606
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: came so fast. These price increases on commodities come so

607
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: fast that you can't recover from that. So I hear

608
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: you with this, because I see the same thing in

609
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: the manufacturing industry. Once they're gone, they're gone. There's nobody

610
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: that is coming in and saying, yeah, I want to

611
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: try that. It's also the same it's passed down. It's

612
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: generational where it's okay, I want to keep this going.

613
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: I've lived it, no one else will understand it. What

614
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: just before we go, what do you say to the

615
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: American people about how they can get involved? Because I

616
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: know people are listening to this and they're going, oh man.

617
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm also the category of tutor who's like, well, just

618
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store, it'll be all good. And

619
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's not always going to be all good because

620
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: it's not there. What can we do to support farmers?

621
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I appreciate the question. One of the things

622
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: I say is, yes, we've lost forty five thousand farms

623
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: on average per year for a century, and that's tragic,

624
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: but we still have two farms left. Yeah, it's an

625
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: incredible number. We still have two million farms left. Some

626
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: of those farms are profitable in supplying our food, many

627
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: of them are supplemental income. There are farms on the

628
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: side for people who are also pulling factory shifts or

629
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: porn concrete or work in construction jobs to make ends meet,

630
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: and that farmers part of their income, because it can't

631
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: be the whole thing. So if we can find a way,

632
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: if consumers can get involved by going to your local

633
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: grocery store, but also going to your local farmers market,

634
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: going to your local butcher shop, finding different places in

635
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: different ways that you can buy food, and having a

636
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: more kind of mixed way that you get your food.

637
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm not asking people to go twenty places every time

638
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: they got to pick up, but we got kids. You know,

639
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of things going on. But if you

640
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: can add a few different ways that you get food,

641
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: think about your food sources a little bit, and then

642
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: demand that from our leaders, Say what are you doing

643
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: to create new opportunities for our farms that we were

644
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: talking about before. So in your way of life and

645
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: the way that you buy your food, think about it,

646
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: be conscious, try to buy from various places, and try

647
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: to find as much local food sources you can and

648
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: buy the way a lot of grocery stores have a

649
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: lot of great local food sources, and then demand that

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Speaker 2: of our elected officials as well.

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Speaker 1: So is that what I see when people are talking

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Speaker 1: op and they go and they get like their box

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Speaker 1: of food locally from a farm every couple weeks, and

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Speaker 1: they don't necessarily know what's coming, but they go in

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Speaker 1: and they pay a certain amount per month and they

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Speaker 1: go in and they're like, Okay, this is what I'm

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Speaker 1: making for the next two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great example. A CSA where you sign

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Speaker 2: up for a membership and you get something from local farms.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely a great example. What we need to move

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Speaker 2: to in this country is where people are shopping at

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Speaker 2: grocery stores, especially the food stores, CSAs, farmers' markets, permanent

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Speaker 2: outdoor markets, finding all kinds of different ways to get

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Speaker 2: our food. And we have more ability to do that

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Speaker 2: than ever take advantage of it. And that's part of

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Speaker 2: what we talk about in the book. Near the end,

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Speaker 2: we go through these hidden aras of history that have

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Speaker 2: driven this disappearance and we try to lay out some

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Speaker 2: of these paths. What are things that we can all do?

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Speaker 2: What are five four or five different things that we

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Speaker 2: can all do to try to change this If we

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Speaker 2: all do it, and we have to kind of do

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Speaker 2: it across the board. If we do one piece, it

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Speaker 2: won't work. And so I really hope people pick up

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Speaker 2: the book and look at it and think about the

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Speaker 2: different ways we can do this, because we can change it.

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Speaker 2: And I can guarantee you this. If the American consumer

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Speaker 2: changes their behavior and wants something, the American economy will

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Speaker 2: shift to get there, and you can be dang sure

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Speaker 2: that the American farmer will work hard to do it.

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Speaker 1: All right, So tell everybody where to get the book.

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Speaker 1: The book is out. We want to know.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, land Rich Cash Poor. It is available in bookstores nationwide.

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Speaker 2: You can get it online Amazon as well, So call

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Speaker 2: your local bookstore, jump on Amazon or anyone else you'll

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Speaker 2: buy your books online, look for land Rich Cash Tour.

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Speaker 2: And I appreciate it. I appreciate everybody support, and I

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Speaker 2: hope we can get the word out there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much Brian Reisinger for being here today.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you check out his book. It is land

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Speaker 1: Rich Cash Poor. We appreciate you being here. We appreciate

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