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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.

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Speaker 2: And Daphnews and Niga an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: He was so excited he's here.

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Speaker 1: How he Michael, I have to share something adorable before

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Speaker 1: we start. I signed in after Thomas. And when Thomas

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Speaker 1: wrote the sign and sheet, it said why are you here?

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Speaker 1: And he wrote for fun?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, we don't wreck it for you. It was

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Speaker 4: his objective.

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 5: We won't bring up too many bad memories.

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Speaker 2: If you, if any, we will be grateful. We're grateful

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Speaker 2: for any memories at this.

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Speaker 3: Point because we're finding that it wasn't meant to be

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Speaker 3: a memory test. It was really meant to be like

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Speaker 3: going down memory lane, but it's turned into be a

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Speaker 3: memory test for all.

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Speaker 4: Of this well because of the age that we all are.

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Speaker 2: But what we did do for you, which we I

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Speaker 2: don't think we did as much for the others as

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Speaker 2: we asked fans for their questions get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of questions.

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Speaker 5: You like Thomas him a lot. We don't really know

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Speaker 5: anything about that time. We better get questions.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna wind out everything about you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just want to know what we ask everyone,

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Speaker 2: which is the.

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Speaker 4: Audition the audition, right, Okay?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 5: So for me it was it was my fifteenth network

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Speaker 5: test after the first series which was two years previous,

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Speaker 5: which was which was Dreams Street. So you remember thirty something, Yes,

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Speaker 5: the same executive producers Edswick and Marshall. Wow, I forgot

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Speaker 5: your last name exactly, So that's why I fumble that. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: So I was on the map and I was going

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Speaker 5: back and forth. I was doing a lot of directing

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Speaker 5: in New York, but I was running out of money

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Speaker 5: directing and doing plays for nothing there and producing, and

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Speaker 5: so I kept flying back and forth. And then they

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Speaker 5: wanted me to go to network for this show, for

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Speaker 5: what's the show? We are on melrose Place, And I

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Speaker 5: booked a commercial and I literally said, I won't do it.

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Speaker 5: I have to do the commercial because that's guaranteed National

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Speaker 5: Networking to make me thirty k for at least, so

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Speaker 5: I'm not going. And then they said we'll pick you

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Speaker 5: up at lunch and bring out They did, and I

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Speaker 5: remember that year they were doing a lot of musical shows.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, you remember they because something was

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Speaker 5: some movie was popular with musical instruments. Anyway, I was

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Speaker 5: walking down the I think it was in Aaron Spellings,

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Speaker 5: and I walked by everybody waiting to audition, walked right

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Speaker 5: into the room, read left, and found out later on

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Speaker 5: the shoot that they booked me.

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Speaker 2: Why are you.

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Speaker 1: Shooting the commercial? You found out?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I went back to finish shooting and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when they she didn't have to do a

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Speaker 3: song and dance. Sounds like it wasn't like part of that.

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Speaker 5: I did, not singing and dancing.

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Speaker 4: No, but you had a scene they had read.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: What did they have you read with Josie Nope?

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Speaker 4: Really anyone?

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Speaker 5: Susan Edelman, I think it was right. She was our

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Speaker 5: casting direct person.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you never got mixed and matched with anybody?

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Speaker 5: No, no, never. And here's the thing. When Susan called

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Speaker 5: me the audition for Michael Mancini and I read the script,

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Speaker 5: I went, I don't want to I want to do

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Speaker 5: that Billy roll, and she went, shut up, you're too

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Speaker 5: old to be playing Michael. Yeah. So that's how I

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Speaker 5: end up reading for Michael manci who was pretty boring

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Speaker 5: the first year, you know what I mean? Maybe?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, only the first year because I.

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Speaker 5: Was thirty three and Joe was twenty, So you're talking

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Speaker 5: to Grant about like Jenny and that, you know, age difference. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and how inappropriate it was. I think we were more inappropriate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well she was legal, though at least she was legal.

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Speaker 5: I thought I thought Jens legal.

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Speaker 1: Didn't realize.

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Speaker 4: You are the oldest.

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Speaker 1: One of the things we noticed in watching the early

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Speaker 1: episodes that's hilarious is that Josie's constantly trying to get

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I'm too busy. We're like, have

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Speaker 1: you seen her? Do you remember that?

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Speaker 5: Look? Josiet most beautiful woman ever to walk into a

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Speaker 1: Exactly need to do anything, for sure?

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Speaker 3: Remember, But Michael Man, did you found ways to avoid

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Speaker 3: her all the time?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 4: We got three women, one question at a time.

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Speaker 2: You start, Did you notice that that she was in

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Speaker 2: the writing that you never gave her enough attention? We're

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Speaker 2: on episode eight or nine now, and like you're barely

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Speaker 2: giving her attention because she's about to have a baby.

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Speaker 5: You know, no, I didn't, because I always you know,

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Speaker 5: I fall in love with my character and then I

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Speaker 5: make everything he does the best thing he can do,

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Speaker 5: and he was doing the best he could given his

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Speaker 5: schedule as a medical student. Yeah, I mean that was

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Speaker 5: our arc for the first season. Yeah, right, basically I'm

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Speaker 5: too busy to pay attention to the relationship. Yeah, did

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Speaker 5: someone else question it?

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Speaker 4: No, that was it?

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Speaker 1: And then do you remember when it changed?

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Speaker 5: Yes? Doesn't everybody know what it changed? I think it

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Speaker 5: was pretty clear to me that the whole show changed

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Speaker 5: when they brought Heather in. Yeah. We went from kind

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Speaker 5: of soap operas, kind of real life to over the edge.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was very.

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Speaker 1: Sweet watching the first episodes. Like we talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about the structure, it was a very traditional structure. There

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Speaker 1: were two sort of related storylines, but it really was

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Speaker 1: eight nice kids trying to make it. Yeah, every single script.

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Speaker 1: So it was maybe the first thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Marcia did a guest star as your coworker on thirteen.

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Speaker 4: I came in fifteen. Heather came after that.

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Speaker 2: But my question to your question is do you remember

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Speaker 2: just playing it. Was it like a sudden thing or

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Speaker 2: was it subtle? These changes kind of like because I

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Speaker 2: know you had an affair with you know, the Kimberly

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Speaker 2: and all that.

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Speaker 4: But in season one.

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Speaker 5: Seven marriages, five women twice with Joe and twice with Laura.

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Speaker 3: That's hysterical.

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Speaker 1: Did you have seven marriages on the show?

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 5: Buddy in the last episode could have gone so far.

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Speaker 5: So here let me tell you though, I think it's

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Speaker 5: was explaining my Marriagabal problems to her. She was my confidante,

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Speaker 5: couple of takes flirtatiously. I found out later the producers

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Speaker 5: go with that, right, so they didn't take those They

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Speaker 5: didn't air those choices. But we thought it would be

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Speaker 5: But because I was we were the staid couple, everybody

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Speaker 5: looked up to it and went to a for advice,

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Speaker 5: And then the next season they changed their mind, and

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Speaker 5: that was the first affair.

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Speaker 3: Interesting because that was right around thirteen, which is the

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Speaker 3: that at some point they weren't you know, you guys

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Speaker 3: were waiting. I wasn't there, but so I hear those

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Speaker 4: We went later, we went more than thirteen, but we

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Speaker 5: Out the season because I planned the marriage that I

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Speaker 5: had a delay with Liz until afterwards.

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Speaker 4: Because they had a real marriage.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, the real And then so Marsh's character Kimberly

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Speaker 3: came in around thirteen, and then I think that's totally

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Speaker 3: when the whole show started to have that sort of

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Speaker 3: graduate show. But it's so interesting that you triggered that

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that I think they saw the potential

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Speaker 5: I did. I think it was a better match for

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Speaker 5: all of us. I just think it fit better. I

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Speaker 5: working right. We were low rated. I mean, we weren't

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Speaker 5: doing great. And then Heather comes on. That's because of

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Speaker 5: her history in business, you know, she brought that with

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Speaker 5: her and we kind of it became we all jumped

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well because the writers made us made this new train,

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Speaker 2: because they saw what was happening with the matings. And

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Speaker 2: it was really smart of the writers obviously, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I was just curious because because I looked, I looked

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Speaker 2: and Marsha. It wasn't it was later is in the

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Speaker 2: because Heather.

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Speaker 4: Came in nineteen.

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Speaker 3: I think that's when I come in. You come in nineteen.

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Speaker 5: You inta was already with us, right.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think so I came in

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Speaker 3: for nineteen and twenty and like my character was stirring

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Speaker 3: it up a little bit too, like panting that seed,

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Speaker 3: like because of the sister. Yeah, Like, and then I

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Speaker 3: didn't stay. But right after is when Heather comes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that sort of that tonal shift kind of was there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, stay.

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Speaker 3: It was during the first season, yeah, but it was

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Speaker 3: like halfway through the first season was like a gradual

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Speaker 3: I think they really felt like the show needed a villain,

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Speaker 3: and it was Heather.

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Speaker 1: So broad Heather in in twenty one. You ended up

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Speaker 1: doing thirty three that first season, so they must have

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Speaker 1: known and they started shifting because you had brought in

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Speaker 1: like an edge of your energy that you brought in

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Speaker 1: different energies. So we're already sort of moving in that direction.

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Speaker 2: So I guess what we're are saying. We love you

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Speaker 2: and your memory, but it's a little off.

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Speaker 5: My mind.

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Speaker 3: We didn't bring you into correcting.

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Speaker 4: Part of the engine of the new train.

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Speaker 5: You.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Heather came on, but the train was always already

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Speaker 2: moving in a new direction, and that was that was you.

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Speaker 5: Tomas. I never I'm not sure when he showed up

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Speaker 5: at the station, but you're anyway.

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Speaker 1: So I think I know the answer to this. Was

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Speaker 1: it more fun to play Michael good guy work in

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Speaker 1: his hardest or Michael bad guy never knew what he

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Speaker 1: was going to do?

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Speaker 5: Question? I've been asked no less than five million.

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Speaker 1: Times, but tell the truth, no answer this.

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Speaker 5: Would you rather be a reactive character or inactives?

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Speaker 1: As simple as you guys are fun.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I don't have any recollection.

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Speaker 3: So I have a question. There was a reunion magazine

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Speaker 1: You know what The shift is though for me, Like

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Speaker 4: We were so close.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really rare.

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Speaker 5: It is, and that's that's why I say, for I'd

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Speaker 5: People magazine, I'm not interested. Yeah, I'm just not for.

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Speaker 5: You were so for me. That's all the same magazine.

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Speaker 1: But now think about it, if it comes up again,

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Speaker 3: Probably You're absolutely right, Like we've said it a million times.

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Speaker 2: But I am curious because he has an answer. Your

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Speaker 4: Forget the show. I'm just curious or if is it.

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Speaker 2: I mean not with Tom, not with you, but as

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Speaker 4: I'm curious he sounds that you have such a healthy, wonderful.

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Speaker 5: Like actually being older on the show was a great

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Speaker 5: It wasn't all that. I remember when Laura come in

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Speaker 4: Please?

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Speaker 1: You missed us? Basically, there's a hole in my guard

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: We were in sixty seven many times?

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Speaker 4: Did you get married?

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Speaker 5: I've already proven that I have the worst memory in

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's statistic.

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Speaker 5: Because I've said it so many plenty times. Okay, so

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Speaker 5: There was right, we had Renee Sofur and then we

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Speaker 1: You're the only cast member who was there for me.

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Speaker 4: You were the beginning to the end, well.

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Speaker 5: The only one, I honest, look, my goal in my

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Speaker 5: We had this great show. You say, like thirty two

445
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 5: hours a year. We did our thirty four somewhere in there.

446
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 5: So we did eleven and a half year run in

447
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 5: seven seasons. I wasn't quitting that dang show for a doc.

448
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 5: I was. I made major bank, you know how it is,

449
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 5: from season five to six or whatever it was then,

450
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 5: and then the check go was up big, so I

451
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 5: cashed in and I was free to move about the

452
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 5: cabin anyway I wish feel.

453
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: I did feel because you were so close to the crew,

454
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 1: so maybe it didn't feel that different to you because

455
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: a lot of your friends were in her crew and

456
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: they stayed. But did it feel different, like what are

457
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: these people doing on our set? Because by the time

458
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 1: I left at the end of five, there were a

459
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: lot of new people. It did feel different. We're looking

460
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: at the first episodes were on. We were such a small,

461
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 1: tight group and we're actually watching the friendships for them,

462
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: which is so sweet. And then by the end, like

463
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: remember our cast pictures, Like first it was us and

464
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: then by the end it was this huge like it

465
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: looked like a school picture. They were like people brawling photo.

466
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 5: You know. Again, I just took it day by day

467
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 5: so it didn't feel so much different. Is that's who

468
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 5: am I doing the scene with today and adjusting to

469
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 5: to styles, patterns and how they want to work and

470
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 5: how deeply they want to not be kissed or not right.

471
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 5: Every time you have a you know, scene with one

472
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 5: of you guys, I had like, okay, what are you

473
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 5: okay with with kissing? You know, with Josie tongue no tongue?

474
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 5: Did you ask? Did you have that?

475
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: Love it when people have that conversation.

476
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 5: Most of my time on Melrose Place making sure that

477
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 5: sheep didn't cover the boot pass.

478
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: Right now.

479
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 4: Yes, I love scene with you.

480
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Speaker 3: Love scenes.

481
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 5: Those are the hardest.

482
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Speaker 3: Do you remember there was a scene where I think

483
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 3: Michael was trying to kill Sydney and they took they

484
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 3: said it. I mean one of the many times of

485
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 3: the many times it wasn't trying. But we were like

486
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: in some cabin in the woods and then we had

487
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 3: to go to there was a swimming hole and you

488
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: were gonna drown me.

489
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: Do you remember this?

490
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 5: I wish I did.

491
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 4: Do you remember what do you remember?

492
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 5: Oh?

493
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 3: My god, I remember this. I mean speaking of boot patches,

494
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: because I think we were skinny dipping, right, so I

495
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: was in like things that weren't really staying on in

496
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: the water whatever. But like I think there was this

497
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: swimming hole. I'm gonna see if I can jug your memory.

498
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: It was like.

499
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: It was like this dirty water of swimming hole thing

500
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: and we were in it.

501
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 5: No, okay, we were.

502
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 3: Out on location somewhere. We had trailers out in the

503
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 3: woods somewhere, and then yeah, and like you Michael was

504
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 3: gonna drown Sydney or whatever. I just remember being in

505
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 3: this filthy water and like I had to go under him,

506
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 3: like like it was so gross or whatever, and like

507
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: so many things that I think an audience doesn't realize.

508
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: But what I remember was just like the discomfort of

509
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: being in this filthy water and we were swimming in it.

510
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: Did they try to kill you or did you out

511
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: smart him? Did you actually get to the point where

512
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: he's trying He did not.

513
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 4: He did not kill me.

514
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: Well, I know he didn't. Actually, you know, I think.

515
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: This is a this is A good question for my memory.

516
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 3: I don't remember the actual outcome. It'll be in like

517
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 3: season yeah the fans will like mine is but season

518
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 3: four or five? And I think maybe you had like

519
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 3: your conscience got the better of you and like you

520
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: changed your mind, like yeah, well that's.

521
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 5: A wait, wait, I got to turn it back on you.

522
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 5: Do you remember when you were the stripper and I

523
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 5: discovered you were stripping?

524
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: Do I remember?

525
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 5: Do you remember that scene? I sure do? How much

526
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 5: did you hate me that day?

527
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 3: I hated you a ton? In fact, I we just

528
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 3: talked about this. It wasn't that I hated you, It's

529
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: that I felt I mean, I felt so vulnerable during

530
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: that scene anyway, And your job as your character was

531
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: to make me feel horrible, right, that was your job.

532
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: So I just remember that scene.

533
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 7: Like totally making me feel tearable, like vulnerable and like

534
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 7: icky about myself, right, And but your job as your

535
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 7: character was to rub it in Sydney's face, and you

536
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 7: did it, and because you were so wonderfully you know,

537
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 7: mean and gleeful at it and literally, yes, I absolutely

538
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 7: remember that.

539
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: But that's so interesting.

540
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 5: I never think you liked me after that. I thought

541
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 5: it was over because I had a spot. I talked

542
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 5: Josie I watched your interview with her, and she said

543
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 5: that I was spontaneous or something, and I'm not sure

544
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 5: I was always so spontaneous, but I do remember being

545
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 5: spontaneous in that scene because I had caught your garter

546
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 5: and I punched a scene at the end after it

547
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 5: was done, by putting it over your head, pointing at

548
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 5: you and laughing. Yeah, it makes me feel kind of terrible, like, actually,

549
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 5: I feel bad really that I did that now, but

550
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 5: in the moment, and that's when you they said caught

551
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 5: and you called me a clown?

552
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: Do you remember that's really what you meant to call

553
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: you know what.

554
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: I'm proud of myself that that's the word I choke.

555
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 5: But then the scene was over, so I didn went

556
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 5: to feel terrible, and I don't remember if we ever

557
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 5: spoke about that again, but we're speaking about.

558
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 3: It now, so I'm it's so, it's so, I'm sorry too,

559
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: because it's interesting. No, just like that, like it's it's

560
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: something he's taken what he doesn't remember much, but he

561
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 3: does remember that.

562
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: You're sorry for interesting?

563
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, because it was a big feeling for me. So

564
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 5: that's why I remember it, right. I don't remember the

565
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 5: everyday scenes and all that stuff, but we do all

566
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 5: have those, you know, spots, specific memory moments where something

567
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: happened that stayed with you, because that's that's.

568
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 4: What acting is.

569
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: It's such a you know, it's really does tap into

570
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: you as a human being, your your sense of whatever.

571
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: So that sounds like that was a spontaneous action.

572
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 5: It was, yeah, you didn't like me because I was

573
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 5: a mar idiot.

574
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: I could have been the other reason I love you

575
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: and I like you, and it was like it was

576
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: always the character, like the character Michael was supposed to,

577
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: you know, be gleeful and evil, and that was their

578
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: dynamic and it was just that I just from my

579
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: memory of it, we just talked about this.

580
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: It's like that, Thomas, did you have other moments like

581
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: that because you played such an evil guy like that that.

582
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 4: Did you have other feelings like that throughout your seven years?

583
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 5: Because well, no, well this is specific because I knew

584
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 5: I had hurt Laura and not Sydney. Right. So there's

585
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 5: another scene with Marsha where she just dripped down the

586
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 5: wall when I give her handle my divorce papers in

587
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 5: the middle of the hospital and I'm like, get over it, honey,

588
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 5: what's wrong with you know, like totally being glib about

589
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 5: the whole thing, and she's up against the wall and

590
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 5: sliding down it. And no, because I think we didn't

591
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 5: have that. I knew you know that, Marsian knew it.

592
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 5: Didn't take it personally at the time, but I felt

593
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: like I had hurt your feelings, and so that's what

594
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 5: I remember, But I don't remember that much like Jack.

595
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: You couldn't hurt his feelings, right, And I abused a

596
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 5: frick out of him.

597
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: Because one of the questions we got was what it

598
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: was like for you to play that kind of character.

599
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 2: So you felt that because maybe you sensed her her

600
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: frailty and she was new at acting maybe and Marcia

601
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: was also came from theater.

602
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 4: And she's used to that kind of stuff, right, right.

603
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, Marsha and I often talked about how we wanted

604
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 5: to play it. We tried different ways. That was just

605
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 5: our way of working together because you know, we don't

606
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 5: have a lot of rehearsal time, right.

607
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, So I found the change of going from films,

608
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: which I'd done eight years of, to TV, which goes

609
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: so fast. Yea hard because there's no time to rehearse.

610
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: You just hit your sandbag there that little line and

611
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: then just say your thing and they move on.

612
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 4: Was that hard for you or no?

613
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 5: No again, because I had the sixteen years behind me,

614
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 5: But like Amy Lokine, because I watched the pilot to

615
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 5: like you guys, somebody asked me to do and I

616
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 5: you know, my heart broke a little bit for Amie

617
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 5: because I'll never forget she came from doing a few films,

618
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 5: not a lot of experience. She was young, and Amy

619
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 5: came to me after like episode three and she was

620
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 5: struggling because they wanted her to do a dialect which

621
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 5: she wasn't really proficient at. And then she had a

622
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 5: move so fast and she'd only done movies and she said, Thomas,

623
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: I don't know what to do. What's the matter, Amy,

624
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 5: I'm just used to knowing the director's name, but they

625
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 5: come and go so fast in television. She couldn't get comfortable.

626
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 5: And of course, you know, we lost her after thirteen episodes.

627
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 5: And I'm not sure it was all her fault, it

628
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 5: just it was just the circumstances for her. I'll never

629
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 5: forget that.

630
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what you do have on TV, though,

631
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: is you played the character for so long that eventually

632
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: directors come and go, and we had regular directors, which

633
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: I loved. But you know the character, so you go

634
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: and know it. I remember Andrew learning his lines on

635
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: the way into work, right almost.

636
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, most of them.

637
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: Vaguely learning the way to work. But you do know

638
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: the character so much, so eventually it really is an

639
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: actor's medium because you know the director sort of moving

640
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: you around. But if they say her character to do this,

641
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I've been playing this person for three years.

642
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of them know that they do.

643
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: They have.

644
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: The more experienced was absolutely yeah. They also they come back.

645
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: You start to trust them more so if they have

646
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: an idea, you're more willing to try it.

647
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 5: Yeah. They I mean they say the stage is the

648
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 5: actors medium, film is the directors, and television is the producers.

649
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 5: And as you know, I as you guys, of course not.

650
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 5: I directed about four or five episodes whatever it was,

651
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 5: and I definitely felt that it was producers medium. You know,

652
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 5: you feel that weight, You've already got a style, you

653
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 5: got to shoot the same way, the same thing.

654
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 4: You a little about the directing what that was like?

655
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 5: I loved it. Again, if it wasn't you guys, I

656
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 5: don't know what it would have been like. But you

657
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 5: guys were all so great to work.

658
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: I remember you being very happy as a director, like

659
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: you felt happier to me, like you were so.

660
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 5: Like.

661
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Also, your character is more intense, and as a director

662
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: you've just come in as Thomas, and you were so lovely.

663
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: And it's great to work with an actor as a

664
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: director because of the way you communicate with us. It's

665
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: so funn I'd forgotten that, so you just mentioned it.

666
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: Did you like it as much as you seem.

667
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 5: To like it? I loved it. I hated the unknown

668
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: because I didn't know technical so much, although that got

669
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 5: better as you know. The first episode I directed, I

670
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: got hives. I was covered in red all over wow,

671
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 5: And but yeah, that kind of calmed down and then

672
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 5: I had the trust of everybody, which was a great

673
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 5: a great comfort. But yeah, did I love working with you? Yeah?

674
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 5: Except Rob Besti's was like, stay away from me, Thomas,

675
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 5: don't come over, don't get out of your chair, because

676
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 5: I gave him way too much.

677
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: You did. So did you feel like the producers are

678
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: breathing down your neck to get what they needed.

679
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: You're saying it's their medium, or did you?

680
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I was aware of it, you know,

681
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 5: So it wasn't like they had to come and you know,

682
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 5: look over me. It's just that sometimes, yeah, you felt

683
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 5: they were pushing you in their direction rather than the

684
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 5: one you want to go in. Even though it was

685
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 5: more like later episodes, it was when Frank took over well.

686
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: And also I imagine as a theater director you want

687
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: to spend time talking about the character and the motivating like,

688
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: we don't have time for that. We got to get

689
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: it in the can.

690
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 5: The biggest challenge as a director was I kind of

691
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 5: plotted everything out, but I went over the scenes so

692
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: much that I wanted to be able to adjust to

693
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 5: whatever you guys needed, right, Jack might say, like, I'm

694
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 5: not going to stop there. The great thing about doing

695
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 5: it was that I was prepared for that, and some

696
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 5: of the greatest stuff came out of that, and I

697
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 5: was able to handle that. The bad news was I

698
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 5: had to shoot my bloody self, so I had to

699
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 5: direct myself and I just wanted to get through that

700
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 5: as fast as possible.

701
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: Were you difficult to work with?

702
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 6: Tom?

703
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 3: How did you like working did you keep asking yourself,

704
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 3: did you hurt yourself?

705
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: You're feelings? I couldn't speak fast enough. That was my problem.

706
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to another fang question. So

707
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: since you say you got married seven times, Michael got married.

708
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: So Michael got married.

709
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 5: That's it.

710
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: So there are a couple questions in this direction, as

711
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: you guys probably read too, Who do you think was

712
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: best matched?

713
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 5: Wait? Who do you think was your best you?

714
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: Michael, your partner?

715
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: Who was Michael's best match?

716
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 5: I have to say, Laura, first of all, well, I'm

717
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 5: right there.

718
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: I'm here.

719
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: Before during the marriage, I was trying to kill it.

720
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 5: When I wasn't when I didn't have my brain thing, Remember.

721
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: That there was a.

722
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 5: There is a brain, and you were playing that on

723
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: and then you were playing on me. So I kept

724
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 5: going but I wasn't and then I got you tied

725
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 5: up in bed.

726
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: That was the end of that.

727
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 5: Oh my god, because Michael, Michael, what are you doing?

728
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 5: I'm not brain dead or whatever I was. I forgot.

729
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: That's so funny because Alison went blind and then got

730
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: her site back but kept pretending to be blind.

731
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 8: There's a theme on the show. Yeah, you have very

732
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 8: good memory that I can't wait to more excited.

733
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, except for the dirty hole.

734
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: You married Sydney twice, Laura twice?

735
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 5: Do you and Joe Jose? Joe?

736
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: You never married Joe, just saying old Joe.

737
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: You never get on the show.

738
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: We never got together on the show. Oh never, No,

739
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: but well no, don't say no. But like there was

740
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: an off camera thing.

741
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 5: No, Heather, Heather I had a one time or with

742
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 5: because she had cancer and needed help. Why wouldn't he

743
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 5: be joyful?

744
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 4: You remember a lot, mister, He's faking it even now.

745
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 4: I love what you're remembering.

746
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 5: So there was Joe. So I betted Heather before Jack did,

747
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 5: which was just a little person for Jack to.

748
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: Heather was with all of the regular characters. Amanda was

749
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: all well except Doug, except she was not with Matt

750
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: way through because she changed to me because her character

751
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: had this thing is such a slut. And Alison was

752
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: a good girl. But I actually had more boyfriends on

753
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: the show. They just bring them in for a couple

754
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: couple episodes and then send them out, so they didn't

755
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: stick with people I was. Alison was actually not a slut, shame,

756
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: but Allison had more fun.

757
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 5: I didn't even know this thing is such a thing

758
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 5: as slutshaming. But good, don't do it.

759
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 4: That's where to do it.

760
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: But so she she made her way every she dated

761
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: all the regular characters, really very generous. Well Melrose dated

762
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: for cancer help.

763
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 5: So wait, so answering your question, m I love them all.

764
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean even that word match.

765
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: Who do you think we're best matched? I mean in

766
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: your and Michael's character? Who was the the It was

767
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: like this tumultuous, evil mutual.

768
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 4: Could it have been Kimberly, could it have been? You

769
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 4: know what I mean, It's not like happily ever after.

770
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it depends on you know, the benchmarks

771
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 5: for good right, for a good match. So I would

772
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 5: say Josie for heartfelt honest. Also because it was early

773
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 5: in the show and the show show hadn't changed tone,

774
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 5: so no one else really got that chance. Comedy, I'm

775
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 5: gonna say Sydney because we just had a ton of

776
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 5: good fun stuff to do all the time. Kimberly, Kimberly, Yeah,

777
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 5: I mean for high drama. You can't beat that. Yeah,

778
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 5: so high drama. We got three things covered. Megan Kelly

779
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 5: Rutherford forgive me, Kelly, I love you. Yep, she was terrific,

780
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 5: very swiftly sweet. That's how I remember that.

781
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: That's why it probably didn't last long.

782
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 5: Right, she was a hooker with the heart of goals.

783
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 5: I remember.

784
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: I don't remember you with the heart I was briefly.

785
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: That seems to be another theme, faking illness and hookers

786
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: with a heart of goals.

787
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 5: We'll get there.

788
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 3: Great Nosa Rena.

789
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 5: I was memriered to her maybe season six were you

790
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 5: guys gone?

791
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 4: So doesn't she go with Jane again and then back

792
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: with Jane?

793
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: When when she came back to the show and you

794
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: finished with Jane? Is that right?

795
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 5: So that's with a playboy bunny on my on my lap,

796
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 5: That's all I remember. We're looking at the camera.

797
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: I have a question speaking of Lisa. So Lisa and

798
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: I knew each other after the show, and and she's

799
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: her experience because she played a bad guy on the show,

800
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: is that people sort of treated her like she was mean.

801
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: I was always a good guy, so we were.

802
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 4: Like, hi, we love you.

803
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: Did you find as your character was darker, would people

804
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: react to you like you were a bad guy? Or

805
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: where they still happen? Could they separate you from your character?

806
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: Pretty much? I think most of the time it was

807
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: a separation. I never got a rock thrown at me

808
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 5: or slapped across the face. So that was interesting, right,

809
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 5: because that doesn't often happen you people think you are

810
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 5: who you are television. But somehow the Melrose fans were

811
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: able to make that separation.

812
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: Well, you started nice, so maybe they had that sense

813
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: of your progression. They had a sense of couldn't.

814
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 5: Be I started grumpy. According to Jane, I started grumpy

815
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: that I got mean.

816
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: But they were also like the ultimate like bad guy right,

817
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: like to so out in the world when people go,

818
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: I love that.

819
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 5: You know, guys did point me out as the meanest

820
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 5: man on television in nineteen something or something. Yeah, yeah,

821
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 5: you were. You were my favorite.

822
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Accolletees, wastingly evil for a while, Like you just got

823
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: meaner like it.

824
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: It was like it was a fun me.

825
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: You always want to cut an energy and a smile

826
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: and a joy with your meanness.

827
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: That's yeah. You seemed like you were having a ball

828
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: a ball.

829
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

830
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 5: There was Jack when he directed one episode and we

831
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 5: were doing a scene together when he was directing, and

832
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 5: I guess I was playing it too real or something

833
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 5: too low key. He's like Thomas, come on, just do

834
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 5: what you do. They're like, oh, I become a terrible actor.

835
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 5: I know, I love that.

836
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: What else we got there?

837
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: This is my favorite fan question. Do you remember that

838
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: this is specifically for you? Which is the funniest part

839
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: to me? Do you remember the perfume called melrose Place

840
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: and did you wear it?

841
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 5: They wanted to ask me that question.

842
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: All I didn't know, wants to know specifically.

843
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 5: I know we had bobble heads and stuff like that,

844
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 5: but the merchandising check does not reflect the Melo's Place

845
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 5: perfume because it would be huge.

846
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: None of us are aware of it.

847
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 5: Mint stop it. Oh my god.

848
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: Our producer each a bottle of I kid you not

849
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 3: melrose Place?

850
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: You eBay?

851
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: Or is this like.

852
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: We're going to find out right now? Thank goodness.

853
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 4: Here now you can answer question that I got it.

854
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 5: It's not bad. How you do this?

855
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: Is it?

856
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: Teenage girls are going to be chasing you down the

857
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: ston I love one.

858
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 4: I'm going to try it.

859
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: I'm doing it.

860
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 4: It smells very nineties.

861
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 3: That's this way, you guys. We look like Melrose Place.

862
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: And we smell like it smells kind of like I

863
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: wore in high school.

864
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 4: This is kind of a nineties got bad.

865
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 5: This is where a guy.

866
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: It's a little bit a cologne or is it?

867
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 4: I don't know it's cologne.

868
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 5: Okay, now I'm going to go home with this.

869
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: We were ahead of our time.

870
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 4: It ain't a Caroline Morrera.

871
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: But is exactly perfume. Is that you'll believe you when

872
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: you say smells place? Yeah?

873
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 4: Right, Melrose, Wow, we all smell something like the nineties.

874
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: This is hilarious.

875
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: Right, It's not bad though, I did it.

876
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 4: That's that's right.

877
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: The look on Thomas's face right now is.

878
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I'm not a smelly guy like natural smells.

879
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: Another good question that I actually really love. How much

880
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: coaching did the show provide to make the medical stuff believable?

881
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Do you remember having to memorize a medical jargon?

882
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 5: Not a lot. Whenever I had stuff like that, I

883
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 5: just went to my sister who's a surgeon, so you know,

884
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 5: I just went to her and asked her about stuff. Wow,

885
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 5: they're having their own private what's going on over there?

886
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 5: They're doing.

887
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: Something.

888
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 5: Every other episode.

889
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: Together we're talking about that was Jos should have filmed

890
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: there seemed separately, because you guys could not stop separating.

891
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't even think they exaggerated. I think they

892
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: underplayed what actually happened because I next up and like,

893
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 5: what's freaking holding the thing?

894
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 3: Like a total like makeup redo because we're crying laughing.

895
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: These are fan questions. How hard was it to play

896
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: someone so obnoxious?

897
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 5: This is a fan question, not a Laura easy question,

898
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 5: not at all hard going, all hard. I love it,

899
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 5: very easy, very fun.

900
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I should get the same question,

901
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: how hard was it to play someone so obnoxious?

902
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 5: Or hard is it to play? Thank you?

903
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 4: Super fun?

904
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: Your character changed all the time, like sometimes you were sweet,

905
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: sometimes you were mean, sometimes you were vulnerable. So it

906
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: wasn't like like Thomas for a long time you were unrelentingly.

907
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 4: You're just a bad guy.

908
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: Gleefully mean, you said, gleefully mean. What that's a perfect

909
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: way to say gleefully mean?

910
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 5: And that that was a choice I made because everybody

911
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 5: in the audience knew what I was doing, so doing

912
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 5: it meanly wasn't adding anything. So I kept making other choices,

913
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 5: you know, gleefully fun, or maybe I'll play with them

914
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 5: a little bit, torture them, don't bring you know, write out.

915
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 5: And that was that's why being proactive is so fun.

916
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 5: Everybody knows the bad guy's bad, so now you can

917
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 5: do it anyway you want, and if you do it gleefully,

918
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 5: it turns out they like it even more, which was

919
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 5: a blessing.

920
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. Do you think your theater background came in that

921
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 4: and your that's not well?

922
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 5: You know how it is with training, right, You're you're

923
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 5: always experimenting and playing, and you're getting direction from your

924
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 5: teacher and you're saying, why not this or why not that?

925
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 5: You're going to do the same scene maybe five six

926
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 5: times sometimes, and so you go in in your experimenting.

927
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 5: So in that way it helped me know what my

928
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: choices were and also being able to execute those.

929
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, very well, I might very well in your imagination,

930
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: what an affair between Michael and Joe or Michael and Allison?

931
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 5: And I think answer that, I think something with her

932
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 5: could have resulted in a fistfight, I mean the actual battle.

933
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 5: And who else did you ask me about Allison? Alison?

934
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: No idea was on the show. I was on the show.

935
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 5: We must I can't imagine in the number of years

936
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 5: we worked together, in the episodes we performed in that

937
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 5: it's at some point Michael didn't make a passage. It

938
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 5: must have kind of almost happened.

939
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: We had very few scenes together. It's fun to watch

940
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: the first season because we had scenes together, but like

941
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: you knock on my door and say there's someone in

942
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: the courtyard, and it was sweet. But then our storylines

943
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: just was almospletely veered apart. Right, We just didn't overlap

944
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: very much.

945
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 5: No, I don't think we did. But still even in

946
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 5: that they had it write something in there at some point.

947
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 3: Apparently they did.

948
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: Apparently they didn't. They just brought on apparently.

949
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 5: Okay, So what would tell me what our relationship would

950
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: have looked like? I think he would have.

951
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: I would have said, that's so mean, and then it

952
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been any fun for you. I think Allison

953
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: would have very earnestly said that feels really mean to me,

954
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: and would.

955
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 5: Another victim?

956
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 4: You would slink away and guess what?

957
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 5: Skim the pool?

958
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 4: You skimmed the pool a lot, a.

959
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: Lot, gardening because I was the man you were doing

960
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 3: the landlord the pool skimming.

961
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we had the other guy. I've seen every

962
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 5: other scene skimming too, so I was like we were

963
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 5: dual skimmers. Yeah, the faceless man who just skimmed.

964
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: I remember Scott, the prop guy was off.

965
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: The that's right, Scott, and he would like slip in there,

966
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: and you know we've seen him shooters in the background.

967
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 5: That's right.

968
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Which apartment was yours? So we had that because your

969
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: apartment on the show is upstairs right.

970
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: Now, downstairs, right across from the pool, so we could skim.

971
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 5: Watch the pilot you come right across across from you.

972
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 4: Was that apartment a full apartment in there?

973
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 5: Yeah? Some weren't, some weren't right, So I think we

974
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 5: had the living room, kitchen, there was.

975
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 3: I thought there was a bedroom in a bathroom at

976
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: times too.

977
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 4: I think there was.

978
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: It could be a full moment because that was mine too,

979
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: So either I took it from Jane, I don't.

980
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 5: Know it was you moved in.

981
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: It was definitely married, her brother, her husband, but then

982
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: I also lived there alone.

983
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 4: It became Sydneys and you kicked and.

984
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 5: You lived in Number five was yeah, there was number

985
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 5: five when we moved when Michael to Od somehow.

986
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 4: I got moved whatever, moved to the beach.

987
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 5: For five years because I didn't want that to happen.

988
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 5: When I was shooting. Oh my gosh, you right.

989
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: Everybody was annoyed the whole first five years that we

990
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: were together, the only five years that we were together,

991
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: you never knew my name, and I was like, I

992
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: think he's doing that on purpose.

993
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 5: No, it was so I wouldn't forget when we were shooting.

994
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: It's proving now, but he actually, yeah, he still.

995
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 5: Doesn't look My own kids don't get called the right name.

996
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: It's not personal.

997
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 5: And Connor's thirty now, so.

998
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 4: You didn't remember that we were in it.

999
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 5: Sometimes sometimes it's a crap shoot.

1000
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: You're now answering Our first question was like why you

1001
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: don't like to look in the past. You're answering that

1002
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: question because you don't remember anybody's names?

1003
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 5: Remember, correct?

1004
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: But remember so many? Do you remember? We've talked a

1005
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: lot about double ups. You remember when they did double

1006
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 1: ups for the first time, we thought this will never work.

1007
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: I do were you in Oxnard because Laura remembers having

1008
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: to go from ox NERD to Santa Karita in one

1009
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: day totally.

1010
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 5: Remember we usually had a day is shooting there every

1011
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 5: episode when we had it, and then another day, so

1012
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 5: I used the back those back to back. Yeah, so

1013
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 5: when we're doing the two episodes, I was there with

1014
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 5: one director and cast member whoever it may be, and

1015
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 5: then the next day the other director in there. So

1016
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 5: I stayed up there overnight.

1017
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: We would stay overnight because we'd be there two days

1018
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: in a row.

1019
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 5: And yes, yeah, I remember that.

1020
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: So do you remember get Going showing up at the

1021
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: wrong location sometimes during double ups.

1022
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 5: Don't drive think I ever did that because I was

1023
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 5: so anal about getting the boards early because I needed

1024
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 5: to study. I needed to know my lines at least

1025
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 5: four days before we shot. I like to have them

1026
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 5: so I could just spin them out without thinking. So

1027
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 5: I always wanted forward things. So all the ads were

1028
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 5: used to getting me the stuff early in the boards.

1029
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: So wow.

1030
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 5: And every time they said we can't promise this is

1031
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 5: going to stay, Thomas like, I know it's year five,

1032
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 5: you don't have to tell me.

1033
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: But they did a great job. Talked about that. Can

1034
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: you imagine, especially since you've directed, how they would board

1035
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: that six episodes shooting two at the same time, How

1036
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: they would board that. We often knew within a few hours,

1037
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: like I've done other shows. You go, you wait five

1038
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: hours at Moros they were I remember sometimes because Andrew

1039
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: would play with the time. He would be literally like

1040
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: pulling up their like were ready for you. He'd race

1041
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: through makeup. Luckily he looked like Andrews and they would

1042
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: just like makeup at him, and he would walk right onto.

1043
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 4: Set like it was.

1044
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: They had it down. Remember that.

1045
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of the best ads I've ever worked with,

1046
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 5: maybe the best. Yeah, and who else do we have?

1047
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: That was that.

1048
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: It was a big part of making that all have

1049
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: him on the podcast as well.

1050
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: It was fun.

1051
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So they were a really good group. And

1052
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 5: then when we did Doubles Up, I just treated as

1053
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 5: a two hour script and so I could keep my

1054
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 5: mind straight. That's how I did it.

1055
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, but it wasn't you'd have six because so

1056
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: much happened at that point, especially in the later seasons.

1057
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: So much would happen in six shows because Daphnie and

1058
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: I talked about it. We had a storyline during Double

1059
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: Ups where I was going to testify for her for

1060
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: child custody. And that was when Allison was in her

1061
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: adorable drug and alcohol phase and I was high when

1062
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: I was supposed to testify. But we couldn't like from

1063
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: scene to scene we were best friends. Do I like

1064
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: you or do I hate you?

1065
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 5: Now? Yeah?

1066
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: We had Did you not show up for me when.

1067
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 4: I'm about to lose my baby?

1068
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 3: Do you have a brain or do you not have

1069
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: a brain?

1070
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: Right?

1071
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1072
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: Are you pretended?

1073
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 4: Yes?

1074
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, there's sometimes fun stuff.

1075
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: Don't you think during TV? Things would go maybe not you,

1076
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like you. But sometimes I hope this

1077
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: is the right intention to play right here.

1078
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: I hope it is the right way to say.

1079
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: Keep it sort of vague. They can direct anything on you.

1080
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: Going to be good enough.

1081
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 5: That every scene I marked where I was coming from

1082
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 5: and where I was going to, so I knew.

1083
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 4: That, I know that's your train.

1084
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: I would do ye remember going up to married saying,

1085
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: I've completely lost my footing? Where am I in witch script?

1086
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: Because they would just start to float around in my mind.

1087
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 5: It's hard.

1088
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 4: She gets so fresh, she goes, you know, your hair

1089
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 4: on this side.

1090
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 5: Your hair is on this side. We got to put

1091
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 5: it on this side.

1092
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 4: I'm like, don't touch my hair, and they'd spray it,

1093
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: spray it. Because I didn't understand that yet so much.

1094
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 4: Maybe you know I should have.

1095
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really amazing the actors that can, you know,

1096
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: mark it so well the technical aspect, but then forget it.

1097
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: And bring in the emotion and know exactly where, you know,

1098
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: we lift up the drink or we point to the

1099
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: other person.

1100
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: And it's a lot you got to remember.

1101
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: And the script service will come up and tell you

1102
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: that beforehand, and you can't let it, you know, Trump used,

1103
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: you just.

1104
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 4: Got to like somehow your brain has to get it

1105
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: all in. You got to say the lines mean it.

1106
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: You have to, you know, with emotion.

1107
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: And and yet if you pick this up at the

1108
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: wrong time, and it's just I remember learning all that.

1109
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: So to what you said earlier about like not having energy,

1110
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that I'd have the brain.

1111
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 4: It was like, no props, no blocking.

1112
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: Can we just sit and do this? Can I sit

1113
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: here and do them in order?

1114
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 5: Ye?

1115
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 4: In the center a radio.

1116
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 5: Show, I think. Unfortunately, that's what you start to do

1117
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 5: when you've got a lot of business is try to

1118
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 5: cut it down to nothing so you don't have to

1119
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: remember anything. But then you're just focused on remembering the lines,

1120
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 5: and then you take the life out of it. I know.

1121
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 5: Remember Victoria Huckburg, Yes, a lovely director. Lovely loved her,

1122
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 5: we thought constantly because she had because she wanted you

1123
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 5: to do specific things her way. She had a really

1124
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 5: cool camera sense, right. Remember she used to flip us

1125
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 5: over so we wouldn't get into three close ups and

1126
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 5: bring us closer and kind of naturally escalate cinematically, but

1127
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 5: not here You're like, well, I can't remember that, and

1128
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 5: so carry forward with the scene. So I thought she

1129
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 5: was brilliant. I think she liked me pretty much, although

1130
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 5: I was a big pin in the butt for her

1131
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 5: because I'm like, no, no, this doesn't feel right, this

1132
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 5: doesn't feel natural. But I didn't get her vision until

1133
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 5: I watched a couple of episodes, and then I consciously

1134
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 5: worked harder to know my stuff more so that next

1135
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 5: time she came in, I could do her thing better. Yeah,

1136
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 5: but it took a lot more studying. You had to

1137
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 5: really really know.

1138
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: I remember loving her because I had such dramatic stuff

1139
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: up at the beach house when Marcia has my baby.

1140
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: I go in and I'm screaming, and she opens the

1141
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: door and there's like that chain there and she's like

1142
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: breastfeeding my baby. Yes, And it was like I remember

1143
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: being Victoria and just I go around and I slam

1144
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: through the thing, and I felt freer with her stuff.

1145
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 4: For some reason. Was that with the camera stuff.

1146
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1147
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: I did.

1148
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: Really passionate.

1149
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 2: I could get into the.

1150
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: Emotion of it.

1151
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 5: Couldn't be her, no, But it just took me a

1152
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 5: while to adjust because I was I think, as in

1153
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 5: a director, I'm like, show me what you guys feel right,

1154
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 5: what feels right? Let's moving around okay, because I think

1155
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 5: that's easy to repeat because you're going with your instincts

1156
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 5: and I'm working off of that. She didn't.

1157
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: So this took me a while, but I read direct

1158
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: Every director was different. Every director was different. I mean,

1159
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: you know, Charlie Corrall did a lot of them. There

1160
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: were some that would come in from other shows, and

1161
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: I felt like they were more technical, just kind of

1162
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: like you know, doing the traditional over the shoulder. And

1163
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: even though we know our characters, I like a director,

1164
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: I like an emotional direction at least a suggestion.

1165
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know. I think when we were in

1166
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 5: our groove by season two, then the directors were coming

1167
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 5: in and moving the camera around, and there was very

1168
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 5: little like you should do this, you should do that,

1169
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 5: or try this or try that. I mean so I

1170
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 5: don't remember that lot, right, do you guys? No?

1171
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: I remember people coming right.

1172
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 2: I think that was something I had to transition into,

1173
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: coming from films where directors really love to direct you

1174
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: and let's try it again and try it this way.

1175
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: That's great, we'll print it, but let's try this and

1176
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: let's try that. I really relied on a director to

1177
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: help my performance and so coming on this and they

1178
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that kind of just chat to you in between,

1179
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: and then we're going to move the camera here. You know,

1180
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: it looked beautiful cinematically, but I had to learn to like, Okay,

1181
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: I guess I'll just go for it. You know, try this,

1182
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: I'll try that.

1183
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 4: It's just a weird adjustment to make, but you just

1184
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 4: make it.

1185
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 3: You talked about the comedy part, like there was a

1186
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: couple of seasons three and four and five maybe where

1187
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: we got to sort of move into more that objective,

1188
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 3: and I think the directors too, started to have some

1189
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: fun with that to see that opportunity, and they were

1190
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 3: in certain storylines, in certain settings like that office setting

1191
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: that Mancini burns. We were just it was like a

1192
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: uniquely creative environment because we'd tapped into something that was

1193
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: like comedy. That was kind of a special little pocket

1194
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: on the show. And I was lucky and I think

1195
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 3: you were lucky too to have that to be one

1196
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: foot in that part. You know, they got to re

1197
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: elimitted that way too. Yeah, but that it got we

1198
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: got to be having a little bit more fun in

1199
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: a different way. You know, it wasn't wasn't earnest. We

1200
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 3: got to sort of explore that comedy part.

1201
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: I thought that was, like, well, they took advantage of

1202
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: having all three of you who can do comedy in

1203
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: one place, right, they really took advantage of that.

1204
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: Well, that was super fun.

1205
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 5: When I remember back on the show poorly, as you

1206
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 5: have pointed out, I thought we were more drama and

1207
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 5: real and stuff, and there wasn't that much comedy. And

1208
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 5: then we transitioned, as we said, somewhere between thirteen and

1209
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 5: season two, Okay, let's just keep it. But when I

1210
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 5: rewatched the pilot, there was a lot of funny stuff

1211
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 5: in that I was I was kind of surprised at

1212
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 5: how funny it was.

1213
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: There was definitely comedy in the beginning, but it was sweet,

1214
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: authentic kind. It's like the characters being funny with each other,

1215
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: and later became this camp, this high camp.

1216
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 5: That's what I think it was. I think at burns Mansni.

1217
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 5: Now it finally occurs to me the name of the office.

1218
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 5: The comedy was in our sincerity in doing all our

1219
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 5: evil deeds together at the same time. I was trys

1220
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 5: you to get him, and then I'd run into my

1221
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 5: office and he would come out, well look, and then

1222
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 5: you'd leave, and then you'd be doing a scheme on

1223
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 5: both of us, and.

1224
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that kind yeah, that was great.

1225
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: See, Joe didn't get that. I, I, you know, always

1226
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: got this real stuff, but an earnest but over the top.

1227
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 4: Horrible stuff happened, and I'm taking horrible guys.

1228
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: That were doing horrible things to me, and I would

1229
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 2: just be like, and then I'd pick another guy sort

1230
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: of similar. So I just remember going Everyone's calling this

1231
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: a soaprop up, but I find it like very serious,

1232
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: you know.

1233
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 4: Like so one time, I and we.

1234
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: Didn't have time to watch a lot of the episodes.

1235
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to go back and watch them

1236
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: because we were just shooting and shooting, and the would

1237
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: air on a Monday or Wednesday night those I think

1238
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: there were the two nights. But did you did you

1239
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 2: watch while we were everyone, well, we were shooting.

1240
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 5: Whenever they came out or if shortly thereafter.

1241
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 4: If you weren't at work, especially.

1242
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 5: Early on, I watched them sooner again for me, you know,

1243
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 5: here goes mister Anal. It was quality control. I want

1244
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 5: to know if what I was doing was translating on film.

1245
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 5: And I also was interested in how the editing process

1246
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 5: was going and what they were using because I played

1247
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 5: scenes a lot of different ways normally that was just

1248
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 5: the way I like to do it. And I was like, oh,

1249
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 5: I choose that. I thought the other stuff was so

1250
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 5: much stronger. But I didn't see it on film, so wow,

1251
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 5: that's great. I didn't do that at all. I was like,

1252
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 5: I didn't. I just didn't do that.

1253
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 4: But I wish I I wish I had Maybe I

1254
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 4: don't know, I remember.

1255
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: And there are some actors that like watching themselves and

1256
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: some that don't, because like after that, after Meloer's plays,

1257
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: video Village was became a thing where you could actually

1258
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: watch it there on set.

1259
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 5: I know, thank god that doesn't exist now that in

1260
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 5: social Media's reason, I don't care about working anymore. I

1261
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 5: don't have the strength to do all that stuff too much.

1262
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: Do people actually like watch back a scene they just did? Yeah,

1263
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: you can't I would be frozen. I've had directors frozen solid.

1264
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.

1265
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: I've had directors ask do you like, are you one

1266
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: of the ones that like to watch yourself like you're there,

1267
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: you've just shot it, And I'm like, no, to this day,

1268
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: it's too you don't want to get in your.

1269
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 3: It's going to take twice as long.

1270
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: Well, but also you get out of your body and

1271
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: start acting from the outside. Yeah, if you have to

1272
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: check it as you and I.

1273
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 5: Don't know if it was always like this, but the shot,

1274
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 5: you know, the bunch of stuff I've done since Melrose Place. Man,

1275
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 5: there's a ton of people around Video village. I mean

1276
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 5: everybody's down there. Yeah. Yeah, the producer, we had the writer.

1277
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 5: We never even the writer.

1278
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: They were they were writing the next episodes, Frank and

1279
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: Darren for a while, and Carrol and Carol.

1280
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were.

1281
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 4: Writing far away.

1282
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: Weren't even on Morow's place. There wasn't a monitor, right,

1283
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: they were watching the scene trusting the DP.

1284
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 5: There was no there was a monitor. Yeah, yeah, it

1285
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 5: was yeah, annoyingly, I never used it. I stood right

1286
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 5: by the camera because I don't know why. I thought

1287
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 5: that was better out of my face, Like I feel

1288
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 5: your buddy, But I can't.

1289
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: I can't well because I remember them saying did we

1290
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: get it right? And if they were watching the monitor,

1291
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: they know. I remember directors saying to the DP, did

1292
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: we get it? Don't you remember that?

1293
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 5: Maybe check the gate kind of stuff? But you're right, yeah,

1294
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 5: I remember that as well though. But I know there

1295
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 5: was also a monitor because Chuck was always behind the monitor.

1296
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: Because we were filmed like we would have fifteen minute breaks,

1297
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: remember changed the film. We'd have a fifteen minute break

1298
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: when they had to change.

1299
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 4: You know, you were on for seven years, so I

1300
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 4: think there there might have been a changeover.

1301
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 5: HD happened in the middle of our run, remember that

1302
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 5: makeup change and everything else. I hated it. We all

1303
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 5: hate it.

1304
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: Well, we have loved having you here. And as much

1305
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: as we sprayed some stinky perfume, I hope you would

1306
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 3: be willing to come back again before if we promise

1307
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 3: not to spray you with anything that sticks next time,

1308
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 3: you please?

1309
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: That went so fast. You were right, You said it

1310
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: on a sign and sheet. You set an intention. It's

1311
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: going to be fun and it was super fun.

1312
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: And will you come back?

1313
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 4: Will you come back? That's the question.

1314
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 5: Oh, God, no, and then we have to live up

1315
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 5: to this again. We can't.

1316
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll get in when we're in Mancini Burns, that's

1317
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: probably when we'll happen.

1318
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 5: I'm not sitting next to him because you know he's.

1319
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: You and Jack together.

1320
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: Jack, you know we'll separate you, but.

1321
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: Separate Laura and you and Jack. Poor daph will be

1322
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: the only one allowed in the room and you'll have.

1323
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, we'll spray Jack.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: We've loved having you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for all the questions fans.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Those were the most fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and we'll see you next week.