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It is nice to be back, Yeah, 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.840 from the combine. We get some some tieing up we 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.280 need to do today about the combine. We left Indianapolis. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.840 Our last draft show was Saturday. We kind of been 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.000 falling along and we appreciate everybody it was with us 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.119 those those days that we were an indie. We've got 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.679 some defensive players we need to talk about and some 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:19.920 positions too, a defensive line, the linebackers, and now the 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:25.240 secondary guys that are in the range or the thoughts 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.240 of what's going on with a lot of NFL teams, 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.080 especially the one that we're here with. Now, you know, 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.200 it seems like the way the free agency is gonna go, 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.760 this team is gonna lose probably a couple of corners, 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.920 probably a couple of safeties, but no fear. He just 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.680 lost the defensive tackle. So yeah, where did the defensive 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.400 tackle just end up? The report on Twitter as Terrell 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.560 McClean is signing with the Redskins, So the Redskins are 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.720 gonna get troma And hey, was that an Adam Schefter 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.240 special right there? I think that was actually I saw 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.760 it from the Washington Post. Okay, there, I trust them. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.360 We're an interesting article about Scott McCluin. By the way, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.760 the Washington Post seems like Bruce Allen is back to 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.640 meddling again. That'd be a good thing if Allan's continues 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.839 to metal. The Redskins can really only handle stability and 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.080 boris yes for about eleven months. Yeah, so Scotty, if 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:17.040 Scotty is, Scotty's shown the door, they're good for Scotty way, Yeah, exactly. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.000 That's a great evaluator right there, and he's one of 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.080 my dear friends. I feel sorry for him for what 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:22.960 happened to him so far here at watching it. But 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.200 Bruce Allen, you continue to metal. That'll be fine. But 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:30.079 the positions that I say, I want to focus on. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.760 We're gonna look at the what happened on Saturday and 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.560 Sunday also, like I say, went for the part of 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.200 the show too, We're gonna do Twitter on the twenty. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.079 The best way to get ahold of the show is 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.520 is through at the draft show. You could fall along. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.880 Kink Garrison does a great job of managing the account. 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.360 If you're watching right now, you might be catching it 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.440 on periscope. That's a great way to kind of to 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.680 be a part of that. We love to do Twitter 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:56.640 on the twenty. We like the interaction with the fans. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.399 We like the ability to answer your questions if we can. 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.359 I will be happy to do that that way. And 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:05.639 if we have time at the end of the show, 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.280 maybe we can take some calls if folks feel so inclined. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.320 Eight eight, eight, eight, five, five, two two nine seven. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.640 The numbers usually on the left side of the screen. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.840 There you can find it. And when we're ready to 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.280 go some calls, well, we'll do that we can do that, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.600 but at the draft show is the best way to 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.560 get a hold of us. I also want to get 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.639 into a little bit of what happened yesterday. Dana and 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.519 I had the opportunity to go to Pro Day in Norman, Oklahoma. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.600 The folks there at Urusity, Oklahoma to an outstanding job 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.640 through a great Pro Day. You know, I love organization. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.680 I love when it's you can park, you get your credential, 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.760 you go, and they gave us great access to the players. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.840 We had a chance. Dana and I were right there 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.920 when Joe Mixon met with the media after the workout. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.240 Have our thoughts about that also too, would like to 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.840 to get into Dave has got a little call at games. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.720 But it's more about things that we thought about. More 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:07.080 surprising is the title of this one, more surprising, generating discussion. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.640 Generating discussions was all about So anyway, we'll we'll do 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.840 all that. So, uh, hang tight with us. We'll be 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.880 having fun throughout the day doing this. Okay, getting into 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:24.599 what happened on Sunday at the Combine defensive line, Yeah, 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.280 talk about some of the things though that and just 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.080 watching the workouts, things that jumped out, you know, there 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.760 was these guys. We see these guys on tape. That's 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.159 kind of something we've all thought about. We sat down, 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.760 we watched these guys, and now you're looking to see 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.119 at the measurables and the workout match. Did we get 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.960 some match from what we saw, or did we get 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.320 some things and maybe a little bit more elevation from 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.200 certain guys the way they worked out, or did the 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.440 cream of the crop continue to be the cream of 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.720 the crop. I think all the above. You know, you 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.520 look at Miles Garrett and what he did, Uh, he 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.640 made the Cleveland Brown decision at number one just that 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.039 much easier. I think he was the obvious favorite going 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.840 into the combine and it still holds true. I think 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:13.240 that's the easiest decision a team picking number one overall 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.120 has had since the Colt and Andrew Luck back in 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.840 twenty twelve. Just slam dunk to you. Then, Yeah, who 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.599 else are you gonna say? You know that's quarterbacks? I 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.960 like Jonathan Allen, but he doesn't the impact potential. He's 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.559 got some shoulder issues. Solomon Thomas, I like him a lot. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.760 Myles Garrett just the best player in this draft, and 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.719 I think you showed that at the combine really impressive player. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:38.240 The rest of these pass rushers, I think they disappointed 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.599 to a degree at certain points of their workout. You 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.240 look at Tack McKinley, Yes, and let's you know, we 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.320 could talk about how he's had surgery this past week 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.520 and you know he might not be ready for training 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.400 camp and all that, But just looking at his workout, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.080 his forty yard dash was good what you expected, you know, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.000 in the high four fives, four sixes, But the three cone, 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.520 the short shuttle, the change of directions, that surprising to me. Yeah, 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.880 because I don't think he was necessarily stiff on film. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:07.480 To me, when you use the words stiff, that's a 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.039 can't can't turn, can't bench. Yeah, that's one of the 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:11.920 meanest things you could possibly say about it. Well, there's 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.720 meaner things you could call player, Yeah, probably, but in 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:17.640 terms of making it on this'll get in trouble. Yeah, 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.400 I'll get stiff or the worst thing you could say. 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.880 But he worked out like a stiff player. Yeah, and 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.000 you don't necessarily he's not the most fluid. I mean, 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.320 there are more fluid pass rushers out there, but I 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.720 didn't expect him to that degree to be that hindered 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.880 by his hips, the change of direction. It just wasn't there. Yeah, 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.240 at six two two fifty, Dave kind of thinking of 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.039 a guy it's got a little bend to him, a 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.800 little billy to the movement and stuff. I think Dane's 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:52.480 right about this one. It wasn't I didn't see. I 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.240 didn't see that on tape. And I'll go and I'll 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.440 flip it another. But just your thoughts though, I McKinley, though, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.040 I mean, what did you sat down down? I know 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.360 we got back very early Sunday morning. I mean I 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.160 saw your tweets. You were watching it, you were locked in. Yeah, no, 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.200 And I mean didn't we talk about this and Indy 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.720 though in terms of how how much you let this 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.520 stuff influence you though, based on what you've already seen. Yeah, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.360 and you try not to, but you try not to. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:21.440 But what I'm hearing from you is that you kind 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.720 of it was surprising. And that's what's the great thing 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.800 about what you're what you're gonna do with this, uh, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.960 this game with that we're gonna or this discussion that 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.840 we're gonna have, is that you're trying to figure out 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.679 that why why did this guy look this way on tape. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.960 I always mean the whole thing, well, the trust the 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.240 tape bit. I mean, you look at that tape and 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.800 you start seeing him, you start I'll give another example, 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.960 the Willis kid, right, Will's kid from Will's kid from 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.080 Kansas State. And if I remember correctly, you were surprised 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.000 in a good way. But I was surprised in a 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.960 good way exactly right when you know when you start 0:07:56.080 --> 0:08:01.080 talking about his three cone But those people out there 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.960 don't that does not think that he could bend on 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.960 tape out there doing it against Yeah, but he saw 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.880 you see him doing that, and now it gives you 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.360 that little bit of Okay, what what was I just watching? Right? 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.320 What was I watching? And he goes back to what 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.320 we talked about. The running backs? Yeah, d Alvin Cook 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.080 testing like a below average athlete, Leonard for what was 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.239 that scent that you're you're talking about the spark spark? 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:29.119 He tested under ten percent the percentile of running backs. 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.839 It's just it's explain the spark thing, because I'm like 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.520 old school scout man that doesn't stop watching the two 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.760 socks kind of scar. Yeah, I'm the I'm the old 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.360 I'm on the old bike shorts and stand there, you know, 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.000 just chicken around the yard, that kind of guy. It's 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.679 not a bad drill. Yeah, we could go. We could 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.480 talk for hours on SPARK and what it means and 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.480 uh you know how to best utilize it. But basically, 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:58.080 it's a formula Nike came up with to incorporate your size, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.160 your length, and then all your athletic measurables, and you know, 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.640 puts you into a percentile of how you grade out 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:10.880 with other former prospects. And you can look at past examples. Okay, 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.160 well you know, we've never had a running back in 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.120 twenty fifth percentile or less go in the first round something, 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.160 you know, something like that, and then Dalvin Cook comes 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.800 in in the ninth percentile, and it's okay, what do 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:23.439 we do with this? You know, so the guys that 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.360 are number cats, the number cats are looking at that 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.120 thing and going whoa, whoa, I wouldn't take it. There 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:30.840 are some people in this building that put a lot 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.040 of stock in the Spark rank, and I think that's 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.079 the case everywhere because it a lot of times, you know, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.480 it does match up. I think it makes sense correlates 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:44.520 the NFL success because you're grading athletes, you know. I mean, 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.920 you can't really hide from that. And you want athletes 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.440 on your football team. Now you also want football players, right, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:51.839 you know, And so that's where you have to kind 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.800 of marry the two, and you want ideally the best 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.520 football players are also the best athletes. It doesn't always 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.080 happen that way. This and I want to go back 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.360 because this is really interesting to me because Willis is 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.800 a guy that I really like from the Senior Bowl, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.599 played well. McKinley is a guy that I would like 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.720 if he was healthy. Right, But your podcast is called 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.600 Trust the Tape, and you're like, mister trust the tapes 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.760 all the time. You did this for a living for 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.440 a long time, Like why are you letting these agility 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.360 drills scare you so much or impress you so much? No, no, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.000 I I you weigh the balance between how much you 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.079 should be concerned or the older you get, the older 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.000 you get, the more scared you get. That's not true. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.400 I shouldn't say that the older I get, you know, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.040 I'm starting to learn about this number of things with 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.240 the spark thing. It terrifies me because I'm terrible in math, 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:44.439 I'm terrible at understanding percentages. I'm more about gut and 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.040 what I see football scouting used to just be about 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.520 gut and now there it is used to now And 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.959 now a guy like Dane Burglar walks in the room 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.800 and he throws down a bunch of numbers at me, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.520 and I kind of go, what's this, you know, And 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.880 I'm really I'm nervous about it because I don't understand 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.599 it because I'm not really small. But that's that's the 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.959 problem I have. But you know, when you do look 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.640 at the numbers, you know, you you you you say, okay, 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.600 why is this guy not moving well? Why why does 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.880 he not have why? Why on tape is he How 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.040 about the opposite guys that that do have the bin 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.640 that excuse me, that do have the high numbers. I mean, 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.600 for example, the kid, you know, like the kid from 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.120 the kid from Tennessee, the defensive in from Tennessee, right, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.040 I mean his forty yard dash and all I mean 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.920 it's it was, it was not good, right, But then 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.440 you watch that, then you get the then you get 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.439 the three cone drill and you're like, whoa, okay, six 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:41.839 ninety six here we go. Yeah, You're like, okay, now 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.040 that that correlates, But why why does he not why 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.360 did they not run? Well? Why do they not? You know, 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.640 that's the thing, you know, and like the NFL is 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:56.040 full of players who weren't combine warriors, who didn't test overly. Well, 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.920 you know that's just so I think the information is power. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.360 We talk about scouting and we it's a big jigsaw puzzle. Sure, okay, 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.199 you know the tape is one big corner piece and 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.360 you know the numbers are that. You know, you have 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.160 to fit it all together to give you an idea 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.000 a player is. And the best way of doing that 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.760 is looking at past examples. Okay, well, okay, this player 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.560 A is having success in the NFL. How did he test? 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.040 What did he do with the combine? What was his 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.880 tape like? And then trying to you know, backtrack and 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.079 figure out Okay, well, you know what helps correlate to 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.520 success and give It's just scouting is such an inexact science. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.400 It's you know, it's wish those tags would glow yea 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.000 and you put them on the board. I wish they 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.920 glow as many n as we have. It'll always be 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.719 about gut and feeling, because look, you could just have it. 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.000 One of these guys, you just had a bad day testing. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.040 You know, you took go and take your acts. Maybe 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:53.920 you just had a bad day testing, you know, just 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.280 you didn't test overly well. But you were a four 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.199 point of student in high school. Yeah. Yeah, It's just 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.760 one of those things where you have to not take 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.200 one thing in account, you have to take everything into 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.400 account and then try to go through the weeds and 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.640 figure it out. I'm always gonna look at that tape 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.120 the combine. I love, but I'm gonna I'm gonna close 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.800 my eyes if something happens at the combine unless it's medical. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.760 You know, I'm I'm gonna try, and I'm gonna try, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.280 and I'm not gonna tell I shouldn't say close my eyes. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.439 Weigh it differently, but I'm gonna weigh it differently. I 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.680 always have. I always have. But but you see numbers, 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.679 and then these numbers, you're surprised, not surprised, you know, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.439 got like I'm gonna switched the defensive backs. Those kids 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.559 were flying. You think I even just like, do you 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.160 think it's speed school? Do you think it's speed school? 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:40.520 Has a lot to do with what's going on with 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.560 these runners. Yeah, a lot of a lot of former tracks. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.760 I mean, these guys, I can understand. I can understand 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.199 Latim War. I can understand because he looks like he 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.720 plays fast. What freaks me out is the huge kids 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.840 that are still flying like the big guys Obi Melanono, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.160 Oh my god, oh sub four or four yeah out 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.760 of here? Wow? And I'll I mean, okay, it's track, 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.520 it's specialized training, Michael Johnson speed school. Most of these 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.480 guys have been doing nothing but this since like January third. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.439 See that scares me. I appreciate the player and that 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.959 wants to get better and have the best numbers. But 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.439 all of a sudden, you Melofanu, you you mentioned him, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.480 he throws a four four out there, and then you 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.840 watch the tape he didn't have. He doesn't have four 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.920 or four tape. He really doesn't see. That's the trap. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.840 That's the trap that Joe and Flower Mound. Nothing against 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.080 Joe and flower Mount, but Joe and Flower Mount. I 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.280 love to make fun of Joe and flower Mound, but 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.400 like scouts and coaches fall for that crap too. Oh no, no, no, no, no, 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.120 I am I'm throwing myself in there with Joe and 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.680 flower Mount, because you do you watch a guy run 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.720 and you're like going and see him play like a 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.400 four four guy. And now you got you got Joe 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.680 and Flower Mount like, hey brought us where you got 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:53.000 him on your board? Third round? What what you know? 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.880 You don't see a four or four player, right, that's 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.120 the problem you have when you when you're dealing with 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.040 the combine and when you're doing with the tape. And 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.240 I think that one's more explainable because he tested off 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.040 the charts, There's no doubt about that. I had a 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.040 lot of guys test off the chart. When you watch 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.120 a guy like Melan Fond on tape, he's very hesitant, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.200 he's very cautious. It doesn't matter we're kind of athlete 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.560 you are. If you hesitate for a half tick, you're done. No, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.480 you can't make up that angle. You're going to be 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.760 late to the play. The player or the running back's 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.000 gonna gain seven yards before you even get to him 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.040 and make contact. So it's great to have those athletic numbers, 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.760 but if you don't have the mental trigger up top 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.440 to utilize those athletic gifts, that it doesn't mean nearly 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.480 as much. And so for me, that's where I am 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.440 with Melan Fono now. Do I think he could get 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.720 better with recognizing his keys and anticipating the play. Sure, right, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.240 with coaching, he might get better. Still taking him in 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.160 the first round, No, he's a third round player on tape. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.840 That's what I'm saying. He's staying in the third round 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.200 because I think I can. Humphrey is another guy Alabama. 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.000 Humphrey is another guy to me and from Alabama talking 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.040 about Marlon Humphrey cornerback. Yeah, Marlin Humphrey goes blowing down 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.880 there like a let me see here, four four three 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.200 was just average about four almost a four three nine 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:10.000 four four zero. Marlin Humphrey doesn't play that fast. See, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.640 that's the thing. That's the that's the that's the thing 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.600 that that is just I'm like, whoa wait a minute, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.400 where'd that come from? How many times there's a corner 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.000 running forty yards? Better catch up? Yeah, and you get beat? 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.520 And Marlin Humphrey will show you some tape where if 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.800 he gets beat, you didn't always play like he's a 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.280 four four. He ain't running four four getting back. And 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.400 even even if you're running forty yards as a corner, 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.480 there there better be some you know, jostling and some 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.440 bumpy he's long, he's rangy, he can do those things, 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.040 and the biggest thing with him is just finding the 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.000 ball downfield, recognizing with it when the plays come in. Yeah, 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.240 struggles with that, and that's if you're gonna give up 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.680 big plays down the field, Uh, you're not gonna be 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.520 on my football team. So he is a tough one 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.680 because the athletic traits are there. I think he will 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.960 get better only in Richard sophomore, right, but the recognition 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.920 down the field, the ball production, that's the big issue 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.080 with him. And so he's another wild card because he 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.560 tested well and he's gonna fit somewhere in that first round. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.560 I'm honestly, I'm pretty surprised here in this first segment 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.840 at how like torn you sent Like you just sound 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.520 like you don't even You're like up is down left 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.720 is right? Like you don't know. I just you know, 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.600 it's trying to figure it all out. But it's trying 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.680 to It's it's what spend all those hours? Why that tape? 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.600 I do you just like to sit there with this guy? 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.600 And he says we need to watch this guy and 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.600 then and then he doesn't work out worth a damn 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.920 And I'm like okay, but he played pretty well, you know. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.159 And that's the thing that's the thing in in in 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.680 my in my advanced years now of scouting, I'm trying 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.639 to figure out, have I been more right always watching 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.800 the tape or have I been more right trusting what 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.760 these numbers are and these kids? I think, and I 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.280 think I'm yeah, and I think I'm getting fooled because 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.600 of these kids going to speed schools and stuff. There 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.639 used to not be a time. There used to be 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.639 a time where Tyrone Wheatley from from Michigan, the running 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:56.720 back would roll out of bed and go run for 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.920 three eight and then I've thought he hated but he 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.200 was a fifty five meter champ too, I think in Michigan. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.080 Do you think there is a time where, in the 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:10.119 not near future where we'll do away with you know, 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.920 the testing, the forty yard dash and the three cone 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.920 all that, and it'll just become a workout drill. Well, 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.240 they'll incorporate more I mean time drills, but more football 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.800 related time drifts, you know, I mean, just because you're 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.960 right about the speed school and these guys training for 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.280 these specific drills exkews the numbers, and you know, do 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.000 you think there. It'll get to the point where scouts 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.160 just say, listen, we're stubborn. We'll bang our head against 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.720 this wall. I don't know, like the medical thing that 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.560 poor Foster can I mean, I said poor Foster. But 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:41.720 you know some of these were I found out what 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.680 was going on there. You know, guy has a shoulder 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.000 problem just coming back from surgery, didn't get pain medication. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.600 A little bit agitated. Hey that you know. I had 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.560 some trainers and doctors tell me the process is too long. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.359 Three in the morning. They're physical and kits, you know, 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.320 and everybode got out there up broadest quick wine and 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.040 they're making millions. I get it. We need to do 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.840 a better job of helping those kids. I think the 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.440 hierarchy of scouting and football in general is still a 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.520 lot of people that like came up when it was 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.639 a different sport, you know, like sixties, seventies and eighties. 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.760 I bet you it'll things will change, Like we're gonna 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.760 see some some shifts as like younger people get into 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.320 the power spots and care more about things like advanced 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.960 stats and spark scores. A couple of guys defensive backwise 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:28.720 that wowed you a little bit before we go to 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.399 break while would be in the wrong way tease Tabor, 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:34.920 a player we both like on table. Yeah, it goes 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.600 out runs in the mid four sixes, high four sixes. 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:39.960 Get ready for that discussion. And the rest of his 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.879 duals were poor. His vertical uh you know at the 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.240 only nine on the bench press, which you know, not 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.920 a huge deal for a corner, but still just a 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:52.520 disappointing weekend in Indianapolis for for Tabor. So I don't, 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.640 I don't. He's a guy we have to go back 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.359 and study and figure out because he does. He doesn't 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.440 play like a burner and we knew that, but he 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.480 also don't played like a four to sixth athlete, and 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.400 so we need to figure that one out. Talk about 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:07.159 Witherspoon from Cal Colorado, Yeah, that he liked, went to 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.760 Juco and Cal player. They didn't start playing football until 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.639