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Speaker 1: Dan Burglar, CBS Sports and a contributor to Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: K Garrison, Executive producer. It is nice to be back, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: from the combine. We get some some tieing up we

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Speaker 1: need to do today about the combine. We left Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Our last draft show was Saturday. We kind of been

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Speaker 1: falling along and we appreciate everybody it was with us

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Speaker 1: those those days that we were an indie. We've got

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Speaker 1: some defensive players we need to talk about and some

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Speaker 1: secondary guys that are in the range or the thoughts

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Speaker 1: of what's going on with a lot of NFL teams,

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Speaker 1: especially the one that we're here with. Now, you know,

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Speaker 1: it seems like the way the free agency is gonna go,

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Speaker 1: probably a couple of safeties, but no fear. He just

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Speaker 1: lost the defensive tackle. So yeah, where did the defensive

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Speaker 1: tackle just end up? The report on Twitter as Terrell

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Speaker 1: McClean is signing with the Redskins, So the Redskins are

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Speaker 1: gonna get troma And hey, was that an Adam Schefter

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Speaker 1: it from the Washington Post. Okay, there, I trust them.

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Speaker 1: We're an interesting article about Scott McCluin. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post seems like Bruce Allen is back to

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Speaker 1: meddling again. That'd be a good thing if Allan's continues

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Speaker 1: to metal. The Redskins can really only handle stability and

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Speaker 1: boris yes for about eleven months. Yeah, so Scotty, if

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Speaker 1: Scotty is, Scotty's shown the door, they're good for Scotty way, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's a great evaluator right there, and he's one of

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Speaker 1: my dear friends. I feel sorry for him for what

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Speaker 1: Bruce Allen, you continue to metal. That'll be fine. But

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Speaker 1: the positions that I say, I want to focus on.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna look at the what happened on Saturday and

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Speaker 1: Sunday also, like I say, went for the part of

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Speaker 1: Eight eight, eight, eight, five, five, two two nine seven.

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Speaker 1: into a little bit of what happened yesterday. Dana and

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Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to go to Pro Day in Norman, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: The folks there at Urusity, Oklahoma to an outstanding job

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Speaker 1: through a great Pro Day. You know, I love organization.

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Speaker 1: But it's more about things that we thought about. More

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Speaker 1: surprising is the title of this one, more surprising, generating discussion.

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Speaker 1: that why why did this guy look this way on tape.

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Speaker 1: not a bad drill. Yeah, we could go. We could

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Speaker 1: if he was healthy. Right, But your podcast is called

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Speaker 1: Trust the Tape, and you're like, mister trust the tapes

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Speaker 1: all the time. You did this for a living for

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Speaker 1: a long time, Like why are you letting these agility

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Speaker 1: the spark thing. It terrifies me because I'm terrible in math,

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Speaker 1: what I see football scouting used to just be about

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Speaker 1: It's amazing he hit from his junior year to his

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Speaker 1: Tredevious Whites as solid player, Jordan Lewis is a good player.

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Speaker 1: gonna get right into it ahead. Terrence wants to know

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Speaker 1: this is topical. This is good. Un He says, can

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Speaker 1: you talk about replacing Tarell McClain. Interesting? Interesting, there's two

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Speaker 1: facets to this because one, Washington Redskins really well, you actually,

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Speaker 1: i mean you actually have some defensive tackles on this roster,

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Speaker 1: which is something we haven't always been able to say.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're great, but Malie Collins was promising

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Speaker 1: as a rookie. David Irving should be back. He's been

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Speaker 1: pretty good at tackle. And then obviously you paid Cedric

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Speaker 1: Thornton last year. But I suppose you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: those reasons. But how you feeling about these dts. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what. Though I felt like that there they

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Speaker 1: priority guys. I was kind of hopeful that but it

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Speaker 1: didn't work. You know, he if he's getting twenty one

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Speaker 1: can say. That's that's the that's the issue right there.

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Speaker 1: You know, he he worked hard, got himself a big deal,

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Speaker 1: played well. It's a shame. I do like what you're saying, though.

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Speaker 1: I think they need more from Thornton though, I really

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Speaker 1: really do Thornton. Thornton can't be just an okay player.

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Speaker 1: Thornton has got to come in here and he's got

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Speaker 1: to do some of the things. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he could be as disruptive as what you get,

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Speaker 1: you know from McClane, because McClane to me is a

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Speaker 1: side line to sideline player. Yeah, you know you there

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Speaker 1: were plenty of times where he was outside the tackle box.

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Speaker 1: Thornton needs to do a better job of winning upfield

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Speaker 1: initially and being disruptive that way. But you know, there

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Speaker 1: was one of his better games where he was able

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Speaker 1: to get a sack, nice pressure uptiment. But he can't

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Speaker 1: be a guy that's just okay. He needs to They

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Speaker 1: need to find a way to get him going in

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Speaker 1: the rotation. They need to find a way that. This

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Speaker 1: means too, that they might even have to move back.

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Speaker 1: Crawford was thinking back inside, So that will give you that.

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Speaker 1: And now so if you've got if you've got Crawford,

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Speaker 1: if you got Irvin, if you got a Thornton that

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Speaker 1: can play better, you know, then maybe then you've got

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Speaker 1: an opportunity. I think there's some guys too in this draft.

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Speaker 1: You look at some of these you know these uh

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Speaker 1: the one techniques, three techniques. There's some guys that in

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Speaker 1: this draft it doesn't seem like I was gonna ask Dane.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like as deep of a group as

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Speaker 1: last year with your you know, well, there's some guys though,

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Speaker 1: they I mean the Quarrels. Quarrels worked out well. The

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Speaker 1: Washington I mean, he ran well. Tom Winson, though I

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Speaker 1: like Dvin Thomason, Tom Winson. I was hearing that Thomlinson's

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Speaker 1: the prote at Alabama. I heard he did really well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and yesterday he's more of a one technique, right. I

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Speaker 1: think Larry Ogman Joebi from Charlotte. There you go. I

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Speaker 1: like him a lot. In the second round, Tomlinson's in

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Speaker 1: that day area. I mean, there's some talent here, you know. Well,

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Speaker 1: they will they pick somebody that high. No, they won't.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing about I can't. But if it's but

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Speaker 1: if it's a three, I mean I could say, if

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Speaker 1: that can give him be a little bit distrust. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say, don't they feel pretty good about him? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I can't see them taking a tackle before the third round,

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Speaker 1: And even then that seems high interest in the stack.

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Speaker 1: How that stack plays out. Yeah. But and to you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we talk a lot about getting

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher at twenty eight, and if they get

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Speaker 1: a good if they get a guy they feel good

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Speaker 1: about at twenty eight, I'm fine moving Tyron Crawford. He's

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Speaker 1: going back inside. Yeah, for that that helps every getting

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Speaker 1: another pass rusher outside helps everybody on the rest of

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Speaker 1: the defensive line. Absolutely. I say coffee taste today, it's fantastic. Topical.

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Speaker 1: Another topical question, because y'all were just in Norman Xavier

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Speaker 1: or Xavier. I'm sorry, I never know. UM usually good

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Speaker 1: with that French. Do you have a better grasp on

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Speaker 1: how Joe Mixon will affect the mid round running backs?

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel safe saying he's not a first

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Speaker 1: round pick. I think he's a first round talent. Say that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. You didn't say that, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm

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Speaker 1: really not. I think he's a third round player. I

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Speaker 1: think you think he might go a little bit earlier.

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Speaker 1: I do. I think he's a third round player. That's

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Speaker 1: where a team will feel comfortable taking him and taking

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Speaker 1: on all the baggage that comes with it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think yesterday only kind of cemented what we knew

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Speaker 1: about him. He's fit, first of all, physically, it's really impressive,

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Speaker 1: and then he goes out running the mid four fours,

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Speaker 1: solid numbers with a vertical and abroad thirty five inches

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Speaker 1: and what nine ten and abroad? I believe so so

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Speaker 1: you know, good numbers. Where he really shined was the

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Speaker 1: positional drills. When he's receiving the ball, fluid athlete ability

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Speaker 1: to catch and run. It just makes it look so easy,

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Speaker 1: very easy, very smooth. And I think that's really the

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Speaker 1: selling point with him as a player. It's just that

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Speaker 1: receiving ability as well as his ability to carry the ball.

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Speaker 1: I think he's off the board. Somewhere in the third round.

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Speaker 1: A team will take a chance, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be a surprise, you know, a team

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Speaker 1: that maybe didn't show a lot of interest, but you know,

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Speaker 1: went through back channels, a team like the Seahawk. I

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Speaker 1: could see him being a guy that we're going to

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Speaker 1: start if you're falling along on Twitter. I could see

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Speaker 1: him being the guy that a lot of teams go

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Speaker 1: in and work out on their own that maybe nobody

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Speaker 1: really wanted to show their hand yesterday at the Vikings

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Speaker 1: and we're the only team that had their general manager

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Speaker 1: and head coach there. I guarantee you though, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be some teams they're gonna roll him there, work him

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Speaker 1: out one on one take him to dinner someplace Norman

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Speaker 1: the night before, get to know him a little bit better,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be, like Dane says, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a it's it's gonna be a surprise. But I still

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Speaker 1: make this prediction. Strong general manager, strong head coach, that's

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. I was I was listening to

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634
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Speaker 1: with Adrian Peterson and what he had to go to

635
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: with the child abuse stuff that they had, and he said,

636
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: this is stuff you never can prepare for, but you

637
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: have to go out there and and and and talk

638
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: about it. And so you know, they were they were

639
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: just comparing notes and and you know Stoops was talking

640
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: about the guy, Hey, he's never had problems with us,

641
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's it's something he's been a

642
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: model system talked to some other people. Says he's you know,

643
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: involved with some women shelters and things like that in

644
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: the area. Trying to get out there more and do

645
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: some things. I said this last night on one oh

646
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: five three that I would feel comfortable taking him. I would,

647
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: and I think he's a first round talent, and I

648
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: think that my job is as a general managers to

649
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: win football games, and you know, but if it's a

650
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: three year removed thing and I feel comfortable about it,

651
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: which the more I learned about this kid, the more

652
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: comfortable I'm feeling about it. I don't know how bright

653
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: of a kid he really really is. I really don't know.

654
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying though, I think he's trying

655
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: to do the right things, and I think that's why

656
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: a team will take take a shot at him in

657
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: the second round. Second, Yes, I do. That's not surprising

658
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: to me. But I think it'll be a limited pool

659
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: of people that are willing to make that strong, strong

660
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: coach strong GM. More topical questions. I know y'all. Y'all

661
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: are in Norman, so you couldn't have been in Boulder.

662
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: But Ernie wants to know how you feel about Chittabay

663
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: A woozy? Did I get that? How did I do

664
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: with that woozy? A damn it? But you did get

665
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: up until that last little woozy just sounded yeah, Okozia, Yes, uh, Colorado,

666
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: how well he ran at the Combine? Yeah, color Our

667
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: kids did themselves proud. They really did a boulder guy

668
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: all for you right there. You're your buffs did all right.

669
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: I like the player a lot. He's one of the

670
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: best blitzing corners in this draft. He just really has

671
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: a knack for that. Uh. Played different positions. They played

672
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: him at safety, free and strong. They played him as

673
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: like an in the box linebacker, They played him in

674
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: the nickel, played him outside, He played everywhere. I talked

675
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: to him at the Combine about his turf toe injury,

676
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: which really plagued him over the second half of the year.

677
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: His senior year kept him out of the Senior Bowl.

678
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: But he said he's one hundred percent now and he

679
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: going out running a mid four fours. That kind of

680
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: confirms it. So with a Woozier, I think he's somewhere

681
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: in that Day two mix we talked about these corners.

682
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a run on these guys, and if

683
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: you don't get your top guy, I think you feel

684
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: okay because you know you feel comfortable with your fourth, fifth,

685
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: and sixth options on your corner list. So and Woozier

686
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: is definitely in there Oregon, USC, Stanford, and Michigan told

687
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: me this story. I think he's a quick footed guy,

688
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's explosive, you know. That's the thing.

689
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: I thought his technique was all over the place, and

690
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: maybe that's because he plays all over the place. But

691
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: I saw him playing the slot, I saw him play outside.

692
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know how really well he turned on tape.

693
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: That bothered me a little bit about him finding the football,

694
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: turn in and find the football. I didn't think he

695
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: did anything great, but I didn't think he was terrible either,

696
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: you know. I thought he was just a very steady

697
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: kind of a player. I thought he had a little

698
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: bit of an issue where he had to grab and

699
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: hold to try and stay in position. And maybe that's

700
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: because he didn't trust his technique all that well. But

701
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: you're right about the way he worked out. See, there's

702
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: another guy right there that you look at, the size,

703
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: the speed, all that fine, but he doesn't always play

704
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: that way. That's just what I saw on that tape.

705
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: That's fair. I'm gonna put y'all on the spot a

706
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: little bit. Anthony wants to know at this and you're

707
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: not done watching tape, obviously, and I know I feel

708
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: like you've covered most of the really important prospects. Anthony

709
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: wants to know how many first round grades do y'all

710
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: have right now. I'm working on my updated top fifty board,

711
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: which I need to turn into night and so I

712
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: think that'll tell me exactly. But it's my first top

713
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: fifty board. I had twenty five first round grades, and

714
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: I think that will be around where I'm at still,

715
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to change much. That's a

716
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: pretty high number. Though it is a high number, but

717
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: they're just they're player and I don't do first, second, third,

718
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: right I do one, one, two, two, two, three, And

719
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: so I have twenty five firm ones, which speaks to

720
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: the depth of this class. And I've talked about this before,

721
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: but I don't think we have ten true top ten

722
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: picks where you feel, Okay, this guy's definitely a top

723
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: ten guy, those blue chippers at the top, but you

724
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: feel really good about the mid first round, late first round,

725
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: and then into Day two and early Day three. So

726
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: I really like the death of this class. Just don't

727
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: love all the options in the top ten twenty three.

728
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: Good Lord, yeah, you usually settle around eighteen. Usually it's

729
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: a depth of the draft. He's absolutely right there. Of

730
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: the twenty three kids that I hadn't tell me like sixteen. Now,

731
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: of the twenty three kids did I have on my board,

732
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: I would take every one of them. I would I

733
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: take every single one of them. And that includes Trubisky

734
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: at quarterback. I mean, I'm not telling how many quarterbacks.

735
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: I have one Trubisky, that's my only one. Fantastic news

736
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: for me because I just feel good like three quarterbacks

737
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: will go before the Cowboys pick. How do y'all feel like?

738
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: Sound about right? At least at least which means this

739
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Mahomes your third one, Watson Mahomes, Trubisky is one. And

740
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: then I was I was pretty set on my Trubisky,

741
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: Kaiser Watson Mahomes. Okay, okay, but I mean I'm with

742
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: you an understanding based on based on the combine and

743
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: other things. I wouldn't be surprised if my two and

744
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: three flipped. Yep, I'm doing. I'm gonna need the next

745
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: month to work on those guys, but I feel comfortable

746
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: at Trubisky as my one, Mahomes as my four. Trubisky Watson,

747
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: Mahomes for me on the quarterbacks. I just love the

748
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: thought that you know that I don't only have one

749
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 1: in the first well though, and those picks are gonna

750
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: push first round grades down toward twenty eight. Who's your

751
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: last first round player? You think? If you had to

752
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: guess whose player number twenty three or twenty five, I'll

753
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: say your mind while you look your cup. It's Tabor

754
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: for me because I got Lattimore, Jones, Moreau. Tabor is

755
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: my four corners. But I would take Adams, Hooker, Cunningham, Foster, Alan, Garrett, McKinley, Lawson, Thomas, Barnett, McDowell, Cook, Mixing, Fournette, Trubisky,

756
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: Howard Ross, Williams, and Davis. Those are my twenty three guys.

757
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: Mine's probably Kaiser, So he's your last first round guy. Yeah?

758
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Um so right there at twenty five, I started to

759
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: map out my updated top fifty, and so I have

760
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: twenty six first round grades and Kaiser's twenty six. Yeah,

761
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: and then Deshaun Watson's my first one two at twenty seven.

762
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: So okay. So so and your board, though, Kaiser over

763
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: Watson just by the slim of some margins, tell him

764
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: eight one's around one two. Yeah, that that might be

765
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: able to change. But one two means first round, second round,

766
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: that right, right right? And Trubisky I have him up

767
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: in the teens. So which actually, y'all, I feel like

768
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: that goes away toward answering Brandon's question. Which it's interesting

769
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: to me because they pick twenty eighth. Obviously you want

770
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: the fifth year option. But when you consider that first

771
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: round grades are typically gone by twenty eight, how realistic

772
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: do you think a trade out of the first round

773
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: would be? It doesn't sound like that grade of an idea.

774
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: If you're telling me that there's twenty five kids, My

775
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: director player personnel here wants more picks, and I'm you

776
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: know what, I'm even at the expense of the option. Yes,

777
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: that fifth year option is he's got a good plan.

778
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: Tane said that with some fire. No, No, he's got

779
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: a plan because he feels like that from play that

780
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a consensus top ten, but he feels

781
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: like he's got a hundred a list of one hundred

782
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: players that you could probably your your value of where

783
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: you're getting. If you get extra you get extra you

784
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: got an extra two, you get an extra three, or

785
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: an extra four starter. Yeah, you'd be an extra starter

786
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: over a fifth year option. If that player is that good,

787
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm resigning him anyway. I'm usually the other way because

788
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: I want the flexibility if I get in trouble to

789
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: have the ability to sign that player. But I think,

790
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: but miss Draft, I'm with him. This would be a

791
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: great draft to have compensatory picks. I think I'm in because,

792
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, it's it's not pick fifteen,

793
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: it's pick twenty eight, you know. Yeah, and well to

794
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: see who's there. You know, maybe one of those guys

795
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: you ranked in the teens could slip. You know, I

796
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: don't know how many thought Byron Jones would slip to

797
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the first round of it could be

798
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: a similar situation. But I think there's more a better

799
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: chance that the better option will be to move back

800
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can do it, if you

801
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: can swing it. I'm I'm pulling these numbers out of

802
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: my butt. But if you told me I could pick

803
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: at thirty five, sixty, seventy, and ninety two, oh yeah,

804
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm in. Yeah, that one more question, David, then we

805
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: gotta take a break. Oh yeah, Roderick, we talked a

806
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: lot about the guys at the top, but he wants

807
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: to know about Day three safeties, like kind of down

808
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: the line safeties. Guys you like day three safeties? Um,

809
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Jerome, the Saint Francis kid that yeah talked about.

810
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: He didn't run very didn't run well, but he's a

811
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: good player, right and little undersized. But I think, hey,

812
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: if I'm a team that you know, watch the tape

813
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: and really likes the player, I like those numbers because

814
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: he could maybe fall to me in the you know,

815
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: fifth round. U. Here are some names if people need

816
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: to know. Delano Hill from Michigan Harting safety, you move.

817
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: I like him quite a bit. Um. What about May

818
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: the kid from Florida, Florida. I think he's a well

819
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: you think he's higher than that, and he's a Day

820
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: two safety, but with him coming off the injury, he

821
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: late day two or yeah, a third rounder. Okay, Justin

822
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: Evans from A and M's interesting. See that's Justin Evans

823
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: was the next guy who was going to ask you

824
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: about the guy can't tackle. See that's the biggest that's

825
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: not what I like, And that's the you say, Justin

826
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: Evans is interesting, And there's places where you watch him

827
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he hits somebody knocks

828
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: him out, hits somebody knocks him out, and then there's

829
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: four plays in a row where he completely misses, and

830
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: it's just it's bad angles. Uh, poor technique. Just the

831
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: guy flies and you know he wants to make the tackle,

832
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: but more often than not he doesn't. Yeah, and he

833
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: misses a lot more to makes. I'd rather have an

834
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: unathletic guy who makes every tackle like Barry Church and

835
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: a guy but at some point does he is he

836
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: worth it? You know? Well? Yeah, you know. And that's

837
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: the thing is justin Evans might go in the second

838
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: or third round because he can fly, and a team

839
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: will get over zealous and think they can fix that.

840
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: But early day three, if you can get him in

841
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: the fourth, if you if you're the cowboy, give him

842
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: the late fourth round, you know you're getting a guy

843
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: that can help you. Insolent he might beginning. You might

844
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: be getting JJ Wilcox. Yeah, you might be able to

845
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: groom him into something. Yeah, let me all right, he's

846
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: a blow him up, miss him guy. I'm hijacking this

847
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: real quick, real quick. But I don't think anybody in

848
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: the draft media dislikes Quincy Wilson as much as y'all.

849
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: And you think he's a safety, Yeah, I don't. I'm

850
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: not a fan of the player at all, even if

851
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: he plays safety. No, And would you would you draft him?

852
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: That's where I was going with this. I mean, like

853
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: it's staggering to me because I feel like he is

854
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: universally seen as a first round pick unless I'm talking

855
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: to y'all, and then he's like a Day three guy. Yeah,

856
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: I've got a two three on him as a safety. Okay,

857
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: so I would draft him at some point on Day two,

858
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: but he's I don't trust him my corner. I don't

859
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: see the first round hype at all. I don't either.

860
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys I think that the scout

861
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: media has got him way, way, way too high. So

862
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: would you draft him? All right? And the other guy

863
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: we he's got to himy ketchup speed? No, I mean

864
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: he is, yeah, the whole thing with me. He'll try

865
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: and jump routes and do all that. But you know

866
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: you would Where would you draft him? I'm with Dane

867
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: it's two three yeah, well not two three. I'm more

868
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm more like in the three range. So you would

869
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: draft Desmond King to play safety over I love Desmond

870
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: King is a safety. I know you do. I did.

871
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: That's maybe the most interesting discrepancy I've seen so far,

872
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: as like you two would just hate this kid, but

873
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: he's like seen as a Quincy Wilson. Yeah, we could be.

874
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about him. Well, and we don't.

875
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I I just too. Hey, yeah, you know

876
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: I said my notes. I love is toughness, not his speed.

877
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: He's a he's got rich, he's but he's got trouble closing.

878
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: I just don't think. I don't don't think he's a

879
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: great player. And everybody's got him jacked up on the

880
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: top of that board. I don't have him because of

881
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: the splash plays. Yeah, some of those interceptions he made.

882
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: He's a big guy, lockdown tackler. Yeah, good luck. If

883
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: you're six one or taller and you play a position

884
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: like that, people tend to fall in love. Watch him

885
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: draft this kid, and then I have to sit here

886
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: and the amount of corners in this draft that are

887
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: bit Kevin King what he did, yes Washington, Yeah, I

888
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: mean a lot of these guys. Uh, It's gonna be

889
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: interesting to see how early because first round, late, first round,

890
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: early second round, they're gonna fly off. They're gonna fly

891
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: off the board for sure. Okay, we gotta take a break. Yeah,

892
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: thanks everybody out there for Twitter on the twenty, we

893
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894
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899
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,560
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00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: go to break here real quick. But Ron Leary came

901
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904
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961
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965
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: of the day, I also want to maybe take a

966
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Speaker 1: call or two Ken if we can get those lined up.

967
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Speaker 1: That numbers eight eight, five, five, two two nine seven.

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971
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: be happy to do that. So Dave go ahead. This

972
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: is interesting to me because it's I'm obviously one of

973
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: the darlings of the combine combined with a darling for

974
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: the Cowboys fan base. I feel more surprised John Ross's

975
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: four two two forty or Zay Jones with a four

976
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: four five. This one's easy, Zay Jones, say Jones, I mean,

977
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: we knew John Ross could run, but that I mean,

978
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: but to run that fast, I mean, I it's great.

979
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: I don't really did you think he was gonna go

980
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: into four twos. I think some teams have I think

981
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: some teams, I think the numbers are gonna come out

982
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: that some teams had him in the four the four

983
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: one seven, four one six, Right, I know you tweeted

984
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: out you you got some confirmation going on six and

985
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: four one nine one flocks. So look, he said during

986
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: his interview that the fastest he ever ran was a

987
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: four to three. Yeah, you know, so, I you know,

988
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm expecting a fourth three runs a fourth two. He's blazing.

989
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: That's fast. But you know, I know he's fast. I

990
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: don't really think a four two is gonna make me

991
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: push him that much further. Does does the four two

992
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: really do anything for you? Like for me? It doesn't,

993
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: to be totally honest, especially he's a first round player.

994
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: Though he is a first run This is not a

995
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: track guy. This guy's no no, no history scared that,

996
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: but Jesus had no. Absolutely it does. I don't and

997
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: no offense to John Ross like he scares the crap

998
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: out of me. He should absolutely, And that's why I

999
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: Zay Jones, I mean, that's a that's a solid forty time.

1000
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: It's not yeah popping, but it's eye popping when you

1001
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: compare it to the tape and and everything he's getting

1002
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: since the draft cycle started has been like impressive and

1003
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: surprising in a good way. Flip it, flip it. Then

1004
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: it put put Chris Godwin in there. Then Chris Godwin

1005
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: Orszay Jones. Chris Godwin with rolling down there at a

1006
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: let's see what he had two range? Yeah that one

1007
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: state wide receiver I see and big body guy. Both

1008
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: of these guys didn't run to that level on film. Yeah,

1009
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. But with Zay Jones, I feel

1010
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: like you can better explain it because the offense that

1011
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: he came from right exactly. He wasn't asked to go

1012
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: vertical very much. You know. I've mentioned the stats, only

1013
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty eight catches, only four over thirty

1014
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: five yards, just a low, low percentage. So I think

1015
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: we can better explain that. But with Godwin that that's

1016
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: tougher to explain because there was a lot of times

1017
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: he'd go down the field and you see people covered him. Yeah,

1018
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: but he also has that late separation where he can

1019
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: get free. Gary Unconley against Ohio State. Oh there, he

1020
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: got that in the corner or the end zone. So

1021
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: both these players helped themselves, no question. Uh. With Zay Jones,

1022
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: what he did the Senior Bowl and then what he

1023
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: did hit the combine pretty fresh in everybody's mind. Yeah,

1024
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: that one's that one's going to be interesting. Did he

1025
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: elevate himself around just by running that? Yeah, not just

1026
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: by running that, but I think just since the season ended, yeah,

1027
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: you know, and so he's gone from like a fourth

1028
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: round guy to maybe guy you talk in the second round.

1029
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: He went from a three four to a two three

1030
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: from me. Okay, that's and that's my point is I

1031
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: don't think John Ross, he was the first round guy

1032
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: before his forty times. It's great, but I don't think

1033
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: it changes anything. Zay Jones is a name that has

1034
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: shot up this pecking order. Yeah, I agree. And one

1035
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: thing I will say about Ross is at this point,

1036
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: I don't think it would surprise anybody if he was

1037
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: the first wide receiver taken. If that's oh, I hate that.

1038
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: Would you throw up in your mouth? A little bit

1039
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: up in my mouth? You like, what if what if

1040
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: you served twenty eight? I was about to say, I

1041
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to cut you all off. I mean, you're

1042
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: gonna be on record for this. I don't I would

1043
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: hate that pick. I don't want to touch a guy

1044
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: who's even had the word microfracture breathed around him at

1045
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: twenty eight. But I'd love I sense absolutely I would

1046
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: take I would take Zay Jones or Godwin at sixty though,

1047
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: and I would be I would stand up, I would

1048
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: stand up and I would clap for that pick. John Ross.

1049
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: I would go. It's a little bit of leap of

1050
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: faith because you have to hope that he stays healthy.

1051
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: And it's but the luck this team has had with injuries. Well,

1052
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: but you look at the other top receivers. Mike Williams,

1053
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: he didn't run at the forty yard dash because he knows,

1054
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: he knows he can't run and he look and now

1055
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: you're thinking about the old miss kid from last year, right,

1056
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: you can't help it. And if you have Corey Davis,

1057
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: who that's speaking of the record, Yeah, so it's I

1058
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: don't know, John Ross. If you if a team, if

1059
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: their doctors tell their team and the general manager, Hey,

1060
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: you know what, he's had some injury stuff in the past.

1061
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: We feel really confident where he is right now, and

1062
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: if he gets hurt again, it won't be because of

1063
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: past injury. So if that's if if a trainer tells

1064
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: their head coach that, and their general manager, that wouldn't

1065
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: be shocked. If he's the first receiver taking it scares me.

1066
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: I hate it all right, we're we we got sidetracked. No,

1067
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: it's a good conversation. More, you're right, you're right. Sorry.

1068
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: More surprising Derek Barnett's for eight one forty Taco Charlton

1069
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: with a four to nine. Oh well, Barnett was sick

1070
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: uh dealing with the excuse well, campaign manager to my right,

1071
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: excuse you sound like one of those sacks. You sound

1072
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: like a s It's just Miles Garrett, like you playing

1073
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: on one like second half of the year, sailin in there.

1074
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: But no, I mean, well, Barnett, you know, if you're

1075
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: it did run, don't run if you're gonna be you know,

1076
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: it's a kind of I get it. You want to

1077
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: show these guys that you're tough and you know nothing's

1078
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: gonna stop you. But at the same time, um, he's

1079
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: setting it up so he's gonna run a lot better

1080
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: at Tennessee at the pro day, you know he's Yeah,

1081
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: that was a little disappointing. Uh, I don't know, doesn't

1082
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: he looks like a three four defensive end. In me,

1083
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: it's tough when you talk about defensive ends because I

1084
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: don't really care that much about the forty yard dash.

1085
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: M I mean, it's just you don't how often do

1086
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: you see a run or a defensive end run forty

1087
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: yards without some type of contact, without uh, you know,

1088
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: just any type of You think they would test a

1089
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: little better. Yeah, Yeah, it's surprise that that part of

1090
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: it is, but that's the testing part. Yeah, But you

1091
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: don't I don't think you downgrade right, I'm talking about

1092
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: numbers like I know what the hell I'm talking I

1093
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: don't know. That doesn't bother Myles Garrett. He's the freak.

1094
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: He can do all the crazy stuff these guys. How

1095
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: about the bench press on Miles Garrett thirty five? That's

1096
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: so far for that bar to go up. I don't

1097
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: care about him. Were I know? No Joey Bosa comments

1098
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: for me? There? Am I crazy for starting to think

1099
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: that both of those guys could be there at twenty eight? Though?

1100
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: Is that absolutely nuts? With Barnett and Carlton? Maybe I'm

1101
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: buying Maybe I'm buying the you know, everybody goes in

1102
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: ups and downs and it's like a roller coach. We

1103
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: thought Barnett was gonna be mid round, so damn low

1104
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: on him right now. I've got him going top ten.

1105
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: So but would you would you agree with me that

1106
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: it seems like people are just pushing him down. I

1107
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: feel like that's what I keep seeing. Maybe not if

1108
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: we're sitting here, If we're sitting there Thursday night and

1109
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: he's on the board at twenty eight, are you oh

1110
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: absolutely stopped? Well, No, I don't think he's a top

1111
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: down player. I think I have my mock draft top ten. Yeah,

1112
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: because I do think that teams appreciate the production and

1113
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: that three cone I mean we could, Yeah, you're a dash.

1114
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: We call like the other numbers. That three cone is

1115
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: what exactly the evidence that team is going to need

1116
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: to say, Hey, this is one of the reasons that

1117
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, helped us come to the conclusion he's our

1118
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: he's our pick in the first round. I know y'all

1119
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: hate my boy Vedante, but do you think he's there

1120
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: at twenty eight? That's Taco? Yeah, sorry, that's Taco Charles.

1121
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: I think he is there. I don't know if i'd

1122
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: take I wouldn't. I wouldn't take him. He can't capture

1123
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: the edge. It's pretty fair in this. It's the left end.

1124
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: He is a left end in the scot that's fine.

1125
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: Though you need a left end. They have a left end.

1126
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: Well tech, you're right, technically they do. I thought de

1127
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence was a right in coming out of college.

1128
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: So it's what we sat here for two months saying

1129
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: we can go back and find the tape. Oh no,

1130
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: we got some good tape. I was talking about Dak

1131
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: Prescott though, too. Oh my god, it's just I'm so frustrated.

1132
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: I just want good pass rushers. But he got team

1133
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: all right, I do too, O. J Howard David and

1134
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: Joku twenty Howard twenty two reps at two twenty five

1135
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: and Joku twenty one at two twenty five more surprising.

1136
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know if a Joku was that strong, and

1137
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that twenty one is. I thought Howard

1138
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: would do more what I think he was going to

1139
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: be like a twenty seven twenty eight guy. I don't know.

1140
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: I didn't think that. I thought both were right around

1141
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: where they needed to be. So that doesn't that neither

1142
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: one of those surprise. You know, maybe in Jokey just

1143
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: because he is so young and he's not really developed

1144
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: to the point where you want him to be. I

1145
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: think he gets stronger former track guy, Yeah, I think.

1146
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he's get much bigger, but

1147
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: I do think he can get stronger, and he needs

1148
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: to at the point of attack to be a better blocker.

1149
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: But he's always he's gonna make his money down the

1150
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: field as a receiving tight end. He always will. I

1151
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: had a scout tell me, he goes, Yeah, this group

1152
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: of tight ends ran really fast because then him or

1153
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: tight ends, Well, yeah, I have an ingram. He's not

1154
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: a tight end, he's a wide receiver. I I There's

1155
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: might not be anything I love more in football than

1156
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: like an athletic tight end who can create a mismatch.

1157
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: It's just it's one of the most fun things to watch.

1158
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: But and for that reason, I'm intrigued by David and Joku.

1159
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: But I maybe I just have a bad taste in

1160
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: my mouth from Gavin Escobar. But like I just with

1161
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys second round core, the second round tight end.

1162
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: The Cowboys use him, right, you know, if he can't

1163
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: do what a tight end spos to do with this

1164
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: team know what to do with him. Like they love that.

1165
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean like they want faint, they want Jake Butt.

1166
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: And that's what I can talk myself into. O. J.

1167
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: Howard because he at least he can do it twenty eight. Sure, Yeah,

1168
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: that's fine, you're a twenty twenty eight. David and Joku though,

1169
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: like I don't I don't need to watch him make

1170
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: like a couple of like three wow plays a year

1171
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,959
Speaker 1: and then catches a year. Yeah, fester on the bench

1172
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: for their Just no, I don't trust them that's shaheen

1173
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: in the second round. That's fine, that's fine, take it round.

1174
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: Went on that he's not gonna fall to your third round. Yeah,

1175
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: you're you're right. If they just random thought that I

1176
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: had because Dane said point of attack, what if they

1177
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: drafted tack McKinley the headlines right themselves, you know, point

1178
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: of attack, of attack. There you go, speaking of which

1179
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: we talked about. And I'm interested in this because we

1180
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: talked we tack Is. We've beaten him into the ground.

1181
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: We talked about attack and Willis at the beginning. So

1182
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: Willis six point eight five three cone, McKinley seven point

1183
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: four eight three cone. One guy. Okay, that's full second.

1184
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: Set it up. One guy you love on tape, the

1185
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: other guy you don't love so much on tape, and

1186
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: then they reverse their results at the combine. What does

1187
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: that mean to you? It's confusing. That's the thing that

1188
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: hurts you, because I think there's things with Willis, like

1189
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: we said earlier, that are positive with him. You know

1190
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: that got a great first step, got a great first step.

1191
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: But McKinley, you're thinking, man like, hey, this guy, I mean,

1192
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I mean, he's he's he's

1193
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: an all He's an all timer to me as far

1194
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: as you know, maybe the guy that could be that

1195
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: edge player, they could play both side. Al timer, well,

1196
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: all timer in the way of he's got that kind

1197
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: of athletic ability. Yeah, And with Willis, there's so many

1198
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: times where you don't see him changing directions. He ends

1199
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: up way past the pocket. Yeah, you know, and he

1200
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: just doesn't show off that change of direction that he

1201
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: he did in three cone drills. So if he's if

1202
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: he has that type of ability in a three cone

1203
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: I want to see it on the football field, and

1204
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: maybe he can. He just doesn't use that to his

1205
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: advantage when he's in the quarterback. Okay, Tack and Tack

1206
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: and John Ross great players that I just I'm they're

1207
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: off my board. I don't want either one of them

1208
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: because of injuries, right, yeah, because of injuries. All that's

1209
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: just I don't need it. I don't need that stress up.

1210
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: This will be really interesting. Can't do we have time

1211
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: for one call? Well, everybody check it in. Have one call? Yeah,

1212
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: who do we got can't go ahead? Donovan, Donovan, you're

1213
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: on with the guys. Go ahead, Hey, guys. Huge fan

1214
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: here from Charlotte. You big fan of A Jones. I

1215
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: also go to UCU, so see him around campus. He's

1216
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: an awesome dude. I just want to ask you guys

1217
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: real quick, what exactly happened with Ruben Foster. I'm curious

1218
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: about that. I haven't seen a whole lot on that.

1219
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: Do you guys think you will possibly drop to twenty eight? Um? Also,

1220
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: Tim Williams, did you guys learn a whole lot about

1221
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: his offield issues. I'll get off and I'll listen to

1222
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: you guys on there. Yeah, thanks to the call. What

1223
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: I know about Foster real quick? And we were not

1224
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: at the Alabama prote I'll try and figure out some

1225
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: more things about Williams and that combined, you really didn't

1226
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: learn a whole lot listen to him talk about that.

1227
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: But what I learned about Foster was that they were

1228
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: they were in a they were in line to get

1229
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: get their medical checks done. And I said it earlier,

1230
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: Foster is taking pain medication for his shoulder, and he

1231
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: had not taken his medication for that. Became a little

1232
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: bit irritable in that situation. Had an altercation with an

1233
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: attendant there at the hospital about how long things were

1234
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: taken a lot of these kids. I've said it before.

1235
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: I mentioned on a radio bunch that this is a

1236
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: very very very long day for them. The medicals, it's

1237
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: very difficult because the colleges no longer give the doctors

1238
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: the medical information they need. So it's basically seen three

1239
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty new patients if you're doctors, So it

1240
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: becomes a very long day. I've heard of some groups

1241
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: getting split up at the combine going to get a

1242
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: check done and then that trying to save some time,

1243
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: and then the same the group that went early had

1244
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: to come back again the next day to get more

1245
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: things done. So yeah, it sounds it sounds like to

1246
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: me though, that that foster became very agitated with the situation.

1247
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: There was the altercation right there. Some people had to

1248
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: grab him before he got to two out of hand there.

1249
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: As far as as far as where he falls, I

1250
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: don't think he falls, I really really not drastically. No.

1251
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: And I had some I had some doctors and trainers

1252
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: and scouts and stuff tell me this. They said, they

1253
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: said that they're surprised this has not happened before. Yeah,

1254
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: and something needs to be done again. Not defending the kid,

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Speaker 1: but it's a difficult situation. These kids, they're trying to

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Speaker 1: get to meetings, they're trying to do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: He was wrong in what he did and get to

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Speaker 1: the altercation. But it sounds like though that he was

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Speaker 1: in some discomfort and then that's what led to his agitation. Williams.

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Speaker 1: I mean, his press conference was not overly impressive. No,

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Speaker 1: not at all. I mean, you know, people, you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the specifics of the baggage. You're talking

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Speaker 1: about drug stuff, right, You had a firearm so he

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Speaker 1: carries in his car all the time, they said, and

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Speaker 1: it would not do and like yeah, so yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you just have to worry about who's who are the

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Speaker 1: type of people he hangs around with. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: is the people he surrounds himself with. He's a hard

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Speaker 1: guy to trust, and because of those trust issues, I

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Speaker 1: think there's a much better chance we see him one

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Speaker 1: day two than we do day one. Ye could be

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Speaker 1: that guy the war Daddy's past. If he's we talked

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Speaker 1: about it at the combine, If they're at sixty, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, report two. Yep, there you go. Okay. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you everybody out there for listening. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for participating with us. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: thanks for day Brugler, excuse me, David Hellman, Kink Garrison,

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Speaker 1: Executive producer Derek Eagleton, thank you for always getting us

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Speaker 1: on the air here, Taylor Stern for pushing our stuff out.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank ed Ka Hill as well for

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Speaker 1: coming up with this idea a long time ago. We

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Speaker 1: will see you next week with more investigation and education

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