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Speaker 4: to Jenkinson Jones on The Volume podcast network. It is Saturday,

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Speaker 4: October twenty eighth, and we are very excited to be

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Speaker 4: at the Volume. This has been a long time coming.

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Speaker 4: You can hear him on Hoops Tonight, on YouTube and

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Speaker 5: What's up boys. I'm super excited about this. It's been

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Speaker 5: a long time coming. It was great to meet you

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Speaker 5: to talk some basketball.

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Speaker 6: Man, Let's do it, Yes, sir, Long overdue man.

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Speaker 3: It's good chopping it up with you, you know, eating

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Speaker 3: So yeah, man, but yeah, yeah, you know, we say

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have you all so here. We are men

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Speaker 3: of our word, bro. But like I said, long overdue man,

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Speaker 3: glad got to have you on board.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: So one of the things, Jason, that I love about

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Speaker 4: you is there's so many people who like doing hoops

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Speaker 4: analysis and who are good at it, but you can

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Speaker 4: that about you. I appreciate that you really play. I

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Speaker 4: think some of the arguments I forget who the latest

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Speaker 4: school basketball, you can't talk about basketball. But I do

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Speaker 4: you're you're starting to have to load manage yourself, which.

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Speaker 4: And I, as you know all of us are in

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Speaker 4: you about what.

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Speaker 6: He was.

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Speaker 5: Like, Oh, it's tough, because like when I was a kid,

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Speaker 2: When I was like walking pigeon toe down steps after

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Speaker 5: No. My wife has been straight up getting on me

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Speaker 2: Man play from three point line to three point line.

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Speaker 2: Man that'll, that'll stretch you, that'll get you another two.

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Speaker 1: He can't do it, bro, He's booming on people. Boy,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you a nice duck here and

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Speaker 6: Do you feel me?

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Speaker 5: I'm very selective now, yeah, and I'm very selective now

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Speaker 5: I want I want to add an important qualify here

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Speaker 4: No, for sure, But you pass my friend m Grads's

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Speaker 3: I remember when I realized it was over for me,

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Speaker 3: and I went to it irish goodbye my whole fucking

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Speaker 1: We're playing half court basketball and we're like I'm done.

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Speaker 2: full court. That'd make it do it for sure. I

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Speaker 2: But what was that NFL player?

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Speaker 4: I'm good, bro, Jason. The one advice I could I

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Speaker 4: I've done both plantar fasciidius things, and I've had three

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Speaker 4: Your body might be wrong or your wife might be wrong,

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Speaker 5: Like I like, like because these kids are talking ship

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Speaker 6: Like I don't know if I'm gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: Joe was.

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Speaker 4: Hell, No, I thought it was because I thought it

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Speaker 6: You feel me?

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Speaker 2: It's straight up will destroy you and you And what's

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Speaker 6: That's what Jamal Murray was saying to the Lakers all

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Speaker 1: Right right now, old man, all right, let's talk some MBA.

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Speaker 6: We got to start things off.

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Speaker 4: Jason. They had this conversation on tn T a little

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Speaker 6: In the league.

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Speaker 4: So at the best first option, it's it's Yoki your Yanis.

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Speaker 6: Right, is there any reasonable case for at this point man.

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Speaker 3: I'm not taking anything from him. You know, the postseason

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Speaker 4: I do think the defense, I mean, the argument for

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Speaker 6: Is what it would come down.

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Speaker 4: And I think that the defensive ceiling that Yannis has

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Speaker 1: But that's only y' that's the thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, I like Yannis, I like Giannis. It's just

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Speaker 6: And like Jokic, I don't say this lightly.

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Speaker 5: I think Jokic might be a better half court offensive

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Speaker 5: that's that's how impossible it is to contain him in

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Speaker 5: I say score, I don't mean I don't mean hit

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Speaker 5: you know, not like ninety points per one hundred posessions.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking like he's getting a bucket two out of

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Speaker 3: I also think that that Yanni's kind of you know,

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Speaker 6: You know, yeah, no, no, go go ahead, ahead, ahead,

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Speaker 5: That's the thing is like with Yiannis, there are very

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Speaker 5: And I want to be like, I really like Will,

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Speaker 5: and like so many things have to like fit together perfectly,

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Speaker 6: And I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 4: I will not make an argument against that. What I

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Speaker 6: They cut because you're so right.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, Yannis in transition is is that's his that's what

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Speaker 6: Like that's to me.

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Speaker 4: Watching them do that against the Lakers was a like, Oh,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a simple concept. Dame brings two to the ball.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: He shot like shit in preseason. I think Dame definitely

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Speaker 5: But like, I actually expect the Bucks to struggle a

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Speaker 4: All Right, good conversation there, best second player, best second,

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Speaker 6: Out of this.

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Speaker 4: But Jason, why don't you go first?

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Speaker 6: As a guest?

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Speaker 5: So going into last year, I thought it was clearly

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Speaker 6: But like, here's the thing I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 2: Lakers are a better team when Bron's playing than when

438
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Speaker 2: Ady's playing.

439
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Speaker 1: So I wonder, why do we.

440
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Speaker 2: Say that he's a better player than Bron at this point?

441
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Speaker 5: So I think again, Like, I see the point you're making,

442
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 5: and it's the same kind of conversation we were just

443
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,880
Speaker 5: having about Jans versus Jokic, right, Like they bring entirely

444
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,480
Speaker 5: different things to the table. And like, obviously, like Lebron

445
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 5: twenty twenty twenty twenty one, even into that rough season,

446
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 5: like he was clearly the best player on the team

447
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,879
Speaker 5: still because he was still one of the very best

448
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 5: half court shot creators in the league. But pretty much

449
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,680
Speaker 5: ever since the foot injury, he's been a little bit

450
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 5: of a level below that and hasn't been as impactful offensive.

451
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,679
Speaker 5: And so when you really when you really factor in

452
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 5: how important Ad is to what they do defensively, how

453
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 5: important he is to their screen and roll game, I

454
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Speaker 5: think he's edged Lebron in terms of his overall winning impact,

455
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Speaker 5: but it's one of those things where it's like I

456
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 5: would argue, if they're gonna win the title, they need

457
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 5: Lebron to be the best player on the team. But like,

458
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 5: he's gonna play twenty nine minutes a game all regular

459
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 5: season and average, you know, somewhere around twenty five points

460
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 5: and just kind of be in chill mode. But like,

461
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Speaker 5: if he can bring what he did in the twenty

462
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Speaker 5: twenty bubble to this postseason and be their best player,

463
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Speaker 5: obviously that gives them their best chance to win the title.

464
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 5: But right now, right now, Ad, I think his defensive

465
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 5: impact is extremely underrated around the league, and the Lakers

466
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 5: fall apart when he's off the floor. For the most part,

467
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 5: I think the overall he's a better player than Bron right.

468
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Speaker 3: Now, but personally still think Bron has him by a nose.

469
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Speaker 3: But I think it's one of those unique situations where

470
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Speaker 3: they're only gonna go as far as Ad takes them, right,

471
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Speaker 3: Like like one of those situations where you know, like

472
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Speaker 3: you look at the OKC under from the KD Russ

473
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 3: era where KD was for sure the best player on

474
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Speaker 3: that team, but they're only going to go as far

475
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Speaker 3: as Russ takes them, right. I think it's kind of

476
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Speaker 3: that similar dynamic there with with bron and a d

477
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Speaker 3: at least in my eyes.

478
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Speaker 4: All right, best third best player on a team in

479
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Speaker 4: the NBA this year.

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00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 6: Now, that's a good one. That's tough.

481
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Speaker 5: Let's see. I think I would go. I think you're

482
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Speaker 5: you're you're probably choosing between the likes of Drew Holliday

483
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Speaker 5: or Derek White or you're looking at you're looking at

484
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Speaker 5: Bradley Beal there, but I I would take I'd probably

485
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Speaker 5: take Drew over both of those guys.

486
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Speaker 6: That's a tough one.

487
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Speaker 5: I think I think I'm gonna go with I'm gonna

488
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Speaker 5: go with Drew Holiday.

489
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Speaker 4: Jason, you're cutting out. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: We couldn't. We couldn't hear you. Okay, okay, sorry about that, guys,

491
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Speaker 6: I can you hear me now? You're still wreaking up

492
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Speaker 6: a bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's.

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Speaker 6: Now, You're all good. I have that backup record for

495
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Speaker 6: you to yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, Okay, we cleared

496
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Speaker 6: out now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it sounds better now, Okay, thanks.

498
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Speaker 5: Sorry about that. Yeah, I think I would lean towards

499
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 5: Drew Holliday. He's He's another one of those guys whose

500
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 5: impact goes up in a big way when you get

501
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Speaker 5: to the postseason. He specifically is going to be a

502
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Speaker 5: vital weapon for that team. If you've imagined a conference

503
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 5: final series against Damian Lillard, you imagine an NBA Finals

504
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 5: series being able to put him against Jamal Murray as

505
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 5: you know, as as as exciting as Bradley Beal can be,

506
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Speaker 5: I give the edge to Drew Holliday.

507
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I might lean Chris Middleton here,

508
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: but I think if we're going off last postseason, Aaron

509
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: Gordon was like the best third option in the Pope

510
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 3: postseason last year, Like he was like, you know, one

511
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Speaker 3: of the reasons I was, I was a Denver non

512
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 3: believer and I was wrong as hell, But one of

513
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Speaker 3: the reasons I was, I don't demm it was I

514
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 3: was like, you know, Mpj's two street, he of a score.

515
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: You need someone to pick up his slack when he's

516
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: having an off night, and you need an and I

517
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Speaker 3: think they need another defender, and Aaron Gordon was both

518
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 3: of those guys in one last postseason, right, So I'm

519
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: very much interested in seeing how he you know, you know,

520
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: looks like he's finally found his place in the league

521
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: with with with them, and I'm looking forward to how

522
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: they're gonna, you know, implement him.

523
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 6: We were talking about this in the last part.

524
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Speaker 2: He was kind of pressing a little bit more this

525
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: game too, Like he's like he got his groove, like

526
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Speaker 2: he's picked up from where he started, where he left

527
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: off in the playoffs. You feel me where he's like,

528
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: one on three, I'm stronger than everybody and I'm more athletic.

529
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 2: Give me this bucket, let's go play d You feel

530
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: what I'm saying so on on the office and so yeah, man,

531
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Speaker 2: I like Aaron Gordon. I like Aaron Gordon's at third

532
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: best honestly, And we can't forget that he was like

533
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 2: you know, a I mean, he was with the Magic,

534
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 2: but he was the guy. He was surprising that they

535
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: got him. And he's one of the biggest steals in

536
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: the league as far as in money. So I don't know,

537
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: third best off, I might I might lean towards Eric Gordon.

538
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna better this year than he was

539
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: last year and probably looked like he did in the playoffs.

540
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the same dynamic that we were talking about

541
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 5: earlier about like your specific system and your ability to

542
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 5: impact winning there. Like, because what's interesting is if you

543
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 5: were ranking the rosters by talent, the Uggets are like

544
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 5: a clear fourth fifth, like probably fifth, Like they're in

545
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 5: terms of overall talent from the top down, cause you know,

546
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 5: like Jamal Murray might be around the fifteenth best player

547
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 5: in the world, and then there's a drop off from there, right,

548
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 5: But like that's what's interesting, is like they're all so

549
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 5: perfectly complimentary, Like Jamal Murray is the perfect guy to

550
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 5: run two man game with nicolea. Jokic KCP is like

551
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 5: the perfect second side creator. You saw it last night.

552
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 5: They literally just use Michael Porter Junior spotting up, like

553
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 5: they don't run any action for him. You watch the

554
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 5: Lakers and they can't figure out what to do. They're like, Okay,

555
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 5: here Austin. Wait, Austin's running a pick and roll. Now

556
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, AD's attacking this random possession. Okay, Rui's

557
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 5: decided he's gonna go this possession. It's very like convoluted

558
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 5: in their order of operations, so to speak, whereas with

559
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 5: the Nuggets, it's like every possession starts with basically a

560
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 5: two man game or a three man game with either

561
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 5: Jokichen Murray or Yokich Murray and KCP. Aaron Gordon's just

562
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 5: working that back line, cutting in front of the rim,

563
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 5: finishing out of the dunker spot, crashing the offensive glass.

564
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 5: And so that's what's cool about it, is like in

565
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 5: a vacuum, Aaron Gordon's not as good at basketball as

566
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 5: Drew Holliday, but within that specific system, yeah, where they

567
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 5: unleash him because he can guard Lebron, he can guard

568
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant, he can guard the best wings in the league.

569
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 5: And then on the other end of the floor, he's

570
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 5: like he kind of functionally operates as their center offensively,

571
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 5: that's basically what he is. He's a vertical spacer that

572
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 5: operates underneath the basket. And so, like, I agree with you,

573
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 5: like he and he his ability to guard Lebron and

574
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 5: KD and last year's postseason run and Jimmy Butler was

575
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 5: a huge.

576
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 6: Part of their ability to win the title.

577
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 5: It's kind of like Wiggans the year before when he

578
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 5: was guarding Luca and Tatum, right.

579
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 6: Like that guy that that is just so valuable right

580
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 6: now in the NBA.

581
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 4: All right, bet this is and this is what made

582
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: me think of doing this because they were having an

583
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 4: argument about Porzingis on inside the NBA last night, But

584
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: best fourth best player in the league.

585
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 5: As much as I like Porzingis and I think Porzingis

586
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 5: is really good, I think I actually leaned Derek White.

587
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 5: Derek White's one of the best point of attack defenders

588
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 5: in the league. His ability to navigate screens pressure from

589
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 5: behind because he's actually got like a really long wingspan

590
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 5: and he's got good size. And then he actually is

591
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 5: one of the best players on the Celtics at generating

592
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 5: dribble penetration, beating guys off the dribble that gets them

593
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 5: into their driving kick in every single playoff run. How

594
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 5: many times are we going to see when Tatum and

595
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 5: Brown get scared that Derek White is the guy that

596
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 5: kind of grabs the keys and kind of takes over

597
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 5: the offense. And that was a huge part of how

598
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 5: they came back and made it a series with Miami

599
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 5: last year. I think Derek White. That was what was

600
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 5: so funny when Dangel Russell said that, Everyone's like, oh,

601
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 5: he thinks he's Derek White. It's just another role players

602
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 5: like Derek White is legitimately like a top fifty player

603
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 5: in the league. In my opinion, I think he's really

604
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 5: really good.

605
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a volume loyalist and say.

606
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 6: Is Draymond the fourth thought?

607
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean you could kind of put him like.

608
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm putting Clay over him right now, Doug.

609
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's Steph Wiggins and Dre.

610
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 6: Damn Clay struggle.

611
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: To my dog, bro, he is struggling right now. All right,

612
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 4: let's do some awards predictions before we get out of here.

613
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: Is everyone predicting Jokics for MVP or are we assuming

614
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: that we're gonna just move on?

615
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tyler is a flat No, I.

616
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 3: Think it's Jason Tatum's here. I think that, you know,

617
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: the sound is going to be a top two seed.

618
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: I think Tatum's going to ball out, you know, So, yeah,

619
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: I'm I'm going with Tatum.

620
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 5: This is super interesting because like you always have to

621
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 5: separate what we think is the MVP from the damn voters,

622
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 5: right what we voted for and like, And it's like,

623
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 5: so we we kind of know from the voters that

624
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 5: you have if you have a super talented team, you're

625
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 5: not going to get MVP. So like, are they really

626
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 5: going to give Tatum MVP when he's got four of

627
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 5: the top fifty sixty players in the league flanking him

628
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 5: all the time, Like he'd have to they'd have to

629
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 5: win sixty five games and he'd have to average like

630
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 5: thirty two to twelve and seven in order to get

631
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 5: the award. And that's just it's just a lot to ask,

632
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 5: especially with the ball being shared evenly around there. See,

633
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 5: you kind of start to target like specific like circumstances,

634
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 5: like what if the Warriors won fifty games? Steph is

635
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 5: not playing with a co star, just won a finals MVP,

636
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: It's been seven years since he won an MVP. He

637
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 5: becomes an intriguing option Yo Kitchen and Yo Kitchen embiid

638
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: both just because their supporting casts aren't considered like Superstar

639
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 5: is flanking them, you know what I mean? Like Devin

640
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 5: Booker a bona fide MVP candidate, right, He's not gonna

641
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 5: get it next to Kad and Bradley Beal.

642
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 6: That's just it's just how it works.

643
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 5: So like it's tough because you got kind of got

644
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 5: to differentiate between how the voters would behave versus the

645
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 5: actual MVP.

646
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: You know, I think Jokic has a shot at at

647
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: getting it again. I think I don't think MBID does

648
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: the because for as much you know, like you said,

649
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: it comes down to the voters. As much as we

650
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: try to say it's a regular season award, the postseason

651
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: does matter. And I think that last postseason we're like, okay, Embiid,

652
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, he got his, We're not gonna do that again.

653
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Speaker 3: And we might have you know, shafted Yokic on this one.

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Speaker 3: He might deserve more MVPs. He's that great of a player,

655
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: So I would.

656
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Speaker 2: Can play on that Sun's team, you know what I mean,

657
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: Like he's not gonna look like the All Star person.

658
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Also, he's gonna be hurt, you know what I mean,

659
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna be hurt.

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00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: Part of that season too, based on his last few seasons.

661
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: So I think Booker has a real chance. Tatum they have,

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Speaker 2: I mean as good as that that take, like you said,

663
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: that team is fucking stat you feel me like I think,

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Speaker 2: I think like you, like you said, he got to

665
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: he'd have to be abing thirty two thirty three to

666
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: fucking to have a real chance. But I think book

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00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: I think Booker out of those two, I think Booker

668
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: has a better chance.

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Speaker 4: Here's the here's the current DraftKings Sportsbook odds. It's Jokic, Luca, Jannis, Embiid, Tatum, Kadi,

670
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: Steph Sga, and then Devin Booker. Devin Booker. We don't

671
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 4: do a lot of gambling talk on here, but Devin

672
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Speaker 4: Booker a plus eighteen hundred.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, I think he's I think

674
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: he's got a.

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Speaker 4: Good chance, and I do think you know, Jason Tyler

676
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: both talked about the voters, like the voter fatigue and

677
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: them looking for someone new, looking for some when exciting

678
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: is absolutely a part of the narrative of that, which

679
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: makes the fact that the odds tend to line up

680
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: with who the actual MVP would be earlier this season

681
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Speaker 4: kind of an interesting thing.

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Speaker 6: Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 4: We briefly touched on this on the last pod, But

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Speaker 4: does anyone think there's any chance in the world Chat

685
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Speaker 4: Holmgren or anyone else takes this from.

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Speaker 5: Wemby, absolutely not. Have you seen that shit, man? Have

687
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 5: you seen that ship? There was a play in that

688
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: Warriors game where Victor Wman Yama was guarding a Steph

689
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 5: pick and roll three on two and he was below

690
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 5: the semi circle, and Andrew Wiggins, who's a six to

691
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 5: eight freak athlete, was on the left wing, and Steph

692
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 5: hit him in the shooting pocket with a rifle pass

693
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 5: on time on target, and Wemby just took a drop

694
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 5: step to the three point line and blocked it, Like

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Speaker 5: do you understand?

696
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 6: Do you understand? How do you have any idea?

697
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 5: How ridiculous that is that the Spurs will be able

698
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 5: to guard every pick and roll in three on two

699
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 5: and not give up open shots, Like it's it's absurd.

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00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 5: He is so so he is so much better than

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00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: I even thought he could have been. And I feel

702
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 5: like we were all pretty high on him after that

703
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 5: scrimmage was scooted Henderson last year. So I can't even

704
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Speaker 5: believe I thought they use him as a big No.

705
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 5: They're using him like he's Kevin freaking Durant running him

706
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: off at dribble handoffs, and he's hitting dribble combinations into

707
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 5: step back jump shots, Like he is so far beyond

708
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 5: what I would have expected at this point, I don't

709
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Speaker 5: even know.

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00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about his defensive ability a lot. When

711
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: we saw the scrimmage, we were talking about how he

712
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: moves offensively, had with the ball in his hands, and shit,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, what we're seeing now is

714
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: how great he is on the other side of the

715
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: ball too, where it can be a potential defensive player

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Speaker 2: of the year as well, first year in the fucking leagues,

717
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: and saying but yeah, man, like I told them, like,

718
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: I have people that don't care about basketball hitting me

719
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: up asking yo, what is this not?

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Speaker 6: Who is this?

721
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: What is this? Like? What's happening?

722
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: Because they've only seen it in two K And I'm

723
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: telling them I've only seen it in two K as well.

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00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I can't explain it

725
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: as well. Somebody been watching basketball for them there forty years,

726
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: you feel me.

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00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 6: So I'll close on this.

728
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Speaker 4: If you are looking for and I think I think

729
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 4: Tyler's you know on this. I've got friends who are

730
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: in on this too. If you are looking for an

731
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: interesting bet to track for the whole season. Wemby is

732
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 4: actually ninth in the defensive Player of the Year odds

733
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: on Draftking. He is plus fifteen hundred, So it's one

734
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Speaker 4: of those bets where like a fifty dollars bet potentially,

735
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: which is about as much stomach as I have for

736
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: the shit. Fifty bucks could potentially make you some money.

737
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: But from what we have seen ninth, you know, do

738
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Speaker 4: you really think Rudy Gobert is getting another defensive Player

739
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: of the Year over him, like Brook Lopez Evan Mobley.

740
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, Man, He's gonna be doing some shit

741
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 4: that will will put up big numbers and visually look

742
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: like stuff that we've never seen he's making. I don't know.

743
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's chasing looking feel the defense.

744
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: You feel me like when you're blocking somebody's three with

745
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: starting with one foot in the paint, when they get

746
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: the ball in their hand, they're going right up with it.

747
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Speaker 6: You know.

748
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: No, that's and blocking the three for like five six.

749
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Speaker 3: Let's not overlook that.

750
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: Basic pick and roll coverage. You have to pull up

751
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 5: jump shot. He doesn't have to come out all the

752
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 5: way and he can't reach up in block shots. I

753
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 5: can't remember which one of you two it was that

754
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 5: turned this out to uh that I was laughing because

755
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 5: of the comment about how how he needs, how he

756
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 5: needs like a bruiser behind him, because it's true, like

757
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 5: when he looked off, Uh was a Corey Joseph and

758
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 5: then uh, and then dunked it and stared down or

759
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 5: I think he stared down Steph after.

760
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 6: I'm like, this guy knows he's.

761
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: Already better than most of the players the league, and

762
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 5: he's kind of like carrying himself like like fuck these guys,

763
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And and like that could

764
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 5: get ugly quickly too, like some dudes are.

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Speaker 3: Gonna get Yeah, he's yeah, he's for sure gonna need

766
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Speaker 3: into four sens that Colin is probably gonna be that

767
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: guy because he is going to be doing shit. This

768
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Speaker 3: nineteen year old is gonna be doing shit to these

769
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: grown assmen that has never been done to them on

770
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Speaker 3: a basketball court before. Eagles are gonna get bruised and

771
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: elbows and cheap shots and shit are gonna fly.

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Speaker 1: Zach Collins just read up.

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Speaker 6: He just he just extended.

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Speaker 1: He's about to earn that.

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Speaker 2: Also, it doesn't it doesn't seem like it's the same

776
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: reaction when he dunks on you or does something, you

777
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean. We're like they're like what the fuck?

778
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: Like they seem confused.

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00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: Another NBA player talking about Thomas Bryant and he was

781
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 2: talking about like what the fuck is this too?

782
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, like they're talking about him like us.

783
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: So there, I hope they.

784
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: Don't react and you know in the way that they're

785
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: you know, extremely aggressive. But I mean it seems like

786
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: you get dunked up by him you're supposed to and

787
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: so it doesn't feel like your egos are getting is

788
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: getting you know, bruised as much.

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00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well he's a nineteen year old Frenchman, you know what

791
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: I mean.

792
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 5: He's not mean fucking he's the dudes like he's like,

793
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 5: oh that was cute, Andrew Wiggins.

794
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 6: You try to fade, let's go the other way.

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00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like anger or like embarrassment. It's just

796
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: like what do I do? Like yeah, right, all right,

797
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: Well that's all the time we got.

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Speaker 4: As I said, you can check out Hoops tonight, A

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00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: great show with the varvolume on YouTube or podcast. Jason

800
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: does a great job all year and lots of consistent

801
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 4: smart hoop takes all year long, So check that out. Jason,

802
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 4: Thanks for hopping out with us, bro. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 6: This is great guys, looking forward to next time for

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Speaker 6: show for sure.

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Speaker 1: Man The volume