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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 1: straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Monday,

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Speaker 1: July fourth. Happy July fourth, everybody. We will have an

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Speaker 1: abbreviated podcast today. Listen. It's a holiday. Everybody's saying with

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Speaker 1: their family. There at a barbecue, there at the pool.

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Speaker 1: They're at the beach, which is where I'll be. So

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna chew up too much of your time.

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Speaker 1: We'll save a lot of the heavy lifting for tomorrow's podcast.

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Speaker 1: But too much NBA stuff happened over the weekend. Had

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Speaker 1: to put out some content and also update you on

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Speaker 1: my life because it's so exciting and fun. I just

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Speaker 1: have to say my wife, folks, came through with an

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Speaker 1: incredible idea. I don't know how she found it. She

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Speaker 1: is active on TikTok. She's not like making the videos,

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Speaker 1: but she's on there, and you know, she's social media

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Speaker 1: for our church, like she's involved in stuff. And she

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Speaker 1: found out about a NERF gun battle at Sofi Stadium

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Speaker 1: where you bring your NERF guns in, you have to

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Speaker 1: wear goggles and it's just a NERF gun war. Some

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Speaker 1: YouTube guy or some YouTube creator had this idea. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say right now, if you find out

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Speaker 1: about a NERF gun battle at the NFL stadium in

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Speaker 1: your city, you absolutely must go. It was so much

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Speaker 1: fun over the weekend. You know, we got geared up

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Speaker 1: with the NERF guns. We go to sofi as I

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Speaker 1: like two thousand people and it's weird. I know that

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Speaker 1: and their parents and it was just incredible. Fund Essentially,

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Speaker 1: they opened it with hey, we're gonna just you guys,

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Speaker 1: then they devolved into like matchups like hey, if you're

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Speaker 1: wearing a costume, go in this end zone. If you're

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Speaker 1: not going the other end zone, then you charge each

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Speaker 1: know they say, hey, if you get shot, go out,

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Speaker 1: a various um assortment of battles, but the most fun

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Speaker 1: rooming around as a family and we're like, let's get

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Speaker 1: those guys and we just start shooting at them and

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Speaker 1: were some like real nerdy nerf gun people, guys wearing

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Speaker 1: my boxing class on Friday morning. I played basketball on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and on Sunday I played tennis. Do you guys know

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Speaker 1: I haven't played tennis in like eleven months. I'm back

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Speaker 1: playing tennis, baby. I played a guy who's definitely better

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Speaker 1: But I finally had my feet under me and my serve.

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Speaker 1: better than me. He's there's a ladder in our community.

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Speaker 1: was a very sporty, athletic weekend for me on July four.

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Speaker 1: I'm very fortunate now that the NBA Draft is over.

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Speaker 1: time to have fun. So obviously I'm living it up. Also,

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Speaker 1: is Leon. I'm sure you know he was in a

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Speaker 1: video with Madonna. He was in a couple of movies

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Speaker 1: featuring basketball. I'm not gonna spoil it. He is super

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Speaker 1: into sports. Leon Robinson, I think he's sixty two years

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Speaker 1: all right, real quick, and we'll go way deeper on

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Speaker 1: some stuff off my chest right quick about the Rudy

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Speaker 1: bead and Rudy Gobert is like a third tier center,

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Speaker 1: right sorry, up, third tier, like the third best center,

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Speaker 1: depending on how you view Karl Anthony Towns, bam Ada Bio.

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Speaker 1: You know, Rudy Gobert very defensive minded and he's limited offensively.

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Speaker 1: got more picks and pick swaps. That's it. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter if an All NBA player was traded an All star,

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Speaker 1: Who cares? Did you get picks? Did you get pick swaps?

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Speaker 1: As you can imagine, right, the Utah Jazz got four

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Speaker 1: picks for Rudy Gobert. Four They want the trade. According

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Speaker 1: to everybody you turn on TV, podcast, radio, you go

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Speaker 1: to tell you f that noise. Because the Minnesota Timberwolves

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Speaker 1: this year, they have done absolutely nothing. They've won one

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Speaker 1: That's the last time they won a playoff series. Guys,

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Speaker 1: very good during the regular season. Are they gonna win championship?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, they're in a better position

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Speaker 1: had top ten picks in the last fifteen years. I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna go through them real quick. Anthony Edwards home run,

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Speaker 1: These are top ten picks two thousand fifteen, Karl Anthony

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Speaker 1: You look at their depth chart right now. They have

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Speaker 1: like twelve guards. Their centers are Hassan Whiteside, Walker Kessler

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Speaker 1: He's going elsewhere. I don't know how do you walk

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Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna here's our starting lineup. Opening that

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Speaker 1: they got the picks and that's great, but Donovan Mitchell

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Speaker 1: that Utah won the trade because of the picks. But

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Speaker 1: you go look at Minnesota and they're gonna be a

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Speaker 1: fifty win team. They're gonna be a top five seed

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Speaker 1: I was heading on Coulteroy fans in search. It was

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Speaker 1: cold out there, so yeah, that's all I remember. I

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Speaker 1: mean Tupox situation was, you know, it was just strange.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had you know, we had to shutdown

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Speaker 1: production a couple of times because he got in trouble,

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Speaker 1: he got arrested. You know, it was a situation. Me

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Speaker 1: and him got him all fantastically. So he had a

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Speaker 1: lot of respect for me because, um he told me

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Speaker 1: from the jump, you know, he's I'm one of the

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Speaker 1: stars of the five Heartbeats. So as far as ask concerned,

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Speaker 1: he said to me, I'm gonna be one hun do

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Speaker 1: with you. So yeah, wow, nice, so awesome career acting,

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Speaker 1: Still doing acting. But I want to talk about some

434
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Speaker 1: hoops if you don't mind, uh NBA free agency hitting

435
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Speaker 1: a lot of moves. Nothing totally seismic out that that's

436
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Speaker 1: bigger than Kevin Durant demanding out of Brooklyn. I'm just curious, man,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on when you see Kevin Durant who followed

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving to Brooklyn. Kyrie Irving goes through his whole thing,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant with four years left on his deal. Leon says,

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Speaker 1: trade me. Well, that's the key. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what is the team gonna do. I mean, like you said,

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Speaker 1: he's under contract, and Kevin Durant from beginning to end.

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Speaker 1: One thing you can always say about him, he's pretty

444
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Speaker 1: much a straight up guy when it comes to honoring

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Speaker 1: his contract, whether he's gonna go to another team or whatever.

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00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: He's not like, he's not forcing issues, you know, so

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Speaker 1: so far. I mean, I would imagine he's been, you know,

448
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Speaker 1: have to honor his contract. Um, they'll try to work

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Speaker 1: out where they can. But I don't think it's just

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Speaker 1: that simple unless they or anticipating this and willing to

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Speaker 1: do a complete rebuild, which the which beteam getting rid

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Speaker 1: of Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. You know, if they

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Speaker 1: can get rid of Kyrie Irving contracting, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: a nice swap of town. Yeah. I know that there's

455
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Speaker 1: a lot of us who are talking NBA all the time.

456
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Speaker 1: We're talking legacy and top ten players and all this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Leon it's it's is it a little tough?

458
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Speaker 1: And I know the history. Kareem abdul Jabbar demanded out

459
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Speaker 1: of Milwaukee, right, Charles Parkley has to be traded multiple

460
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Speaker 1: times like this kind of thing happens. But for me, Leon,

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Speaker 1: it's just a little bit of a tough sell. As

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Speaker 1: Kevin durant as like one of the all time greats

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Speaker 1: win he is now bailing on Brooklyn with four years

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Speaker 1: left on his deal for reasons that we still don't know,

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Speaker 1: Like why is he doing this? I just don't. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough sell for me. Like do you like Kevin

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Speaker 1: durant Um? I like the way he plays ball? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to wave baseball. And I think

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Speaker 1: that I mean, if if is it all possibly and

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Speaker 1: he's just find his way back to Golden State, you

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Speaker 1: should have you should have you should have never left left,

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Speaker 1: I know. I mean why would you lead Listen, front

473
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Speaker 1: offices win championships, not ball players. Okay, they just move

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Speaker 1: pieces around. They are in So you want to be

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Speaker 1: within an elite front office. Okay, he was with the

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Speaker 1: elite front office. He went to a mess of a

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Speaker 1: front office. I mean, it doesn't make any sense if

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Speaker 1: you're going wherever you're going, if you have a choice,

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Speaker 1: go to where the front office is stable and you

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Speaker 1: know they can bring you a championship, because that's what

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Speaker 1: it meant, that's what matters. You can be out there

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Speaker 1: balling all you want. Who are they putting around you?

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Speaker 1: Who are your coaches? Who are you all the players?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean, if you don't

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Speaker 1: have that, So why would you leave an elite front

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Speaker 1: office to go to the next Yeah, So it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I talked about him all the time,

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Speaker 1: and so he's exchanged the messages with me on Instagram

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Speaker 1: and back before he went to the Nets. Leon I said,

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Speaker 1: would you really go to the next man with that

491
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Speaker 1: owner and he's so unstable? And he said, when you're

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Speaker 1: at my level, who cares who the owner is? And

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Speaker 1: I thought about that. I'm like, Okay, I get what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, but to your point ly on like, the

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Speaker 1: Warriors front office really built that team. They drafted Draymond

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Speaker 1: on Clay Curry. The Nets were just like, sure, Kyrie

497
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Speaker 1: and Kat come on down, buddy, and they let Kyrie

498
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Speaker 1: fire the first coach they let him bring on DeAndre Jordans.

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Speaker 1: They basically, I know people don't like this phrase. Did

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Speaker 1: they let the inmates run the asylum? And now what's

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Speaker 1: happening lyon? The inmates are saying, I'm out of here.

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Speaker 1: You're screwed right. Well, when you give, when you give

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Speaker 1: your you know, you give the guys, the players, you know,

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Speaker 1: the power, then you're in trouble. You know you're in trouble.

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Speaker 1: You're at their win and you know you really can't

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Speaker 1: have that. And and realistically it's all about culture. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you don't have players that are in your locker room

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Speaker 1: that aren't the right kind of culture for your team

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Speaker 1: and your franchise. And that then Agains goes back to

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Speaker 1: front office. Front office has the right kind of people

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Speaker 1: in place. You have the right kind of idea about winning. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's what wins championships. So when you don't have that

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Speaker 1: and you don't have the people in that locker room

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Speaker 1: that can bring that message to the other players, which

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Speaker 1: they don't have, nets that's not Katie. Katie is not

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Speaker 1: that kind of a leader. Okay, we already know Kyrie

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Speaker 1: is not that kind of a leader. And if he does,

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Speaker 1: if you do follow him, he may fall off the

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Speaker 1: earth because he thinks it's flat. So so what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is that you just have to you know, you

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Speaker 1: just got to realize who you're playing and what are

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Speaker 1: you surrounding yourself by. You know, Miami has a great

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Speaker 1: front office. You know, there's other teams have great front officers,

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Speaker 1: so that they're gonna they're going to make sure that

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Speaker 1: the team is going to be at the best that

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Speaker 1: possibly Cannon. If they do rebuild, they're gonna rebuild quickly

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Speaker 1: and fast and strong. Fox Sports Radio has the best

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Speaker 1: I'm I hope I'm not surprising you at this. But

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Speaker 1: when the nets said all right, Kevin, well, you know

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll work on a trade for you, Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: followed up by saying, I would like to go to

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Speaker 1: Phoenix or miam Leon, I'll remind you who the two

536
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Speaker 1: number one seeds were in the playoffs last year, Nicks

537
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Speaker 1: in Miami. But is that a bad look for Katie?

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Speaker 1: Hey send me to one of the best teams in

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Speaker 1: the league. Is that kind of a bad look? Is

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Speaker 1: it weak? I mean, you're Kevin freaking Durant leon the best.

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Speaker 1: It's different than in free agency because the fact of

542
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Speaker 1: the matter is that that team that you know of

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Speaker 1: being number one seed is not going to be that

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Speaker 1: same team. Durant goes there because they're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: unload some major talent. So I mean, he's not going

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Speaker 1: to Phoenix as Phoenix is right now. They won't have

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Speaker 1: the Anti and then they won't have um Bridge. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to have them. But what about what

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Speaker 1: can they win a title? Well? Not ken they would?

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Speaker 1: Would you make them the favorites if they have the

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Speaker 1: nucleus of Chris Paul, Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, no Stoe Warriors.

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Speaker 1: Well just think about this. Why would you favor three

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00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: guys who haven't played together for a coach that hasn't

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00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: coached them over guys have just won four championships and

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00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: just won four championships, Like, I just don't see that.

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Speaker 1: What about the what about the paper clips? Kawhi Leonard back,

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00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: Paul George back back for how long? I mean, I

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00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: don't do tall something. The one thing I have no

559
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: faith in the reliability is if you if you're not

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Speaker 1: on the court, and when you talk about the greatest

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Speaker 1: players of all times the game, you could just just

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Speaker 1: look at it. It's almost like school just look at

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Speaker 1: their attendance records. So you gotta look at it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're not breaking records if you're sitting on the bench.

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan played all the time. Lebron James plays all

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Speaker 1: the time until he got hurt. Okay, every single game.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? These players are there

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Speaker 1: and those are the greatest player us. You cannot help

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Speaker 1: me from the bench. I don't care how good you are.

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Speaker 1: What about you know you you mentioned Lebron. I am

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Speaker 1: curious nobody really big going to the Lakers yet, you

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Speaker 1: know Lakers coming off a tough season. Anthony Davis I

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Speaker 1: joked that he's always down a d always down because

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Speaker 1: he's always hurt. Russell westbrook experiment was was kind of

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Speaker 1: choppy at best. Can they can they get back to

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Speaker 1: the promised landing on you? I think got one more run.

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Speaker 1: I think they can. Russell is much better player than that.

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Speaker 1: I think Russell was out of sorts because you have

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Speaker 1: to realize when you take someone like Russell Westbrook who

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Speaker 1: is a pushing the hard point guard, and you take

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Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands. Okay, realistically, how I

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Speaker 1: would you know? Lakers confunction is take the ball out

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Speaker 1: of Lebron's hample because he has a whole thing point

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Speaker 1: guard there and allow him to do all the things. Now,

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Speaker 1: because he's he can do everything. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like Rust can't really adjust, but Lebron can't. Lebron could

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Speaker 1: play the way you can take his man down low.

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00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: He can do whatever. So let the player that ken

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Speaker 1: ad just because when you play good basketball, the best

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00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: players will always thrive. That's the reason why when Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant went to the Golden State Warriors, you no one

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Speaker 1: ever said he was the best player in the world,

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Speaker 1: and so they played with the warrants because they got

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Speaker 1: to see all of his talents. They got because they

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00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 1: played ball the right way. And when you played ball

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Speaker 1: the right way, the best talent will always shine. Now,

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Speaker 1: I I it's obviously your knowledge of Jordan's and being

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Speaker 1: a friend with him and through Jimmy Black and everything,

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Speaker 1: it makes it a tough question. But Jordan's best team,

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Speaker 1: I think many would say the one in where they

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Speaker 1: won maybe they whatever, they won seventy two games. Jordan's

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Speaker 1: best team up against the Warriors with K D. Curry

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Speaker 1: Clay Draymond. That that what sixteen and want in the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: The best record ever? Who who you got in that matchup? Um? Whatever?

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Speaker 1: Are we playing it in? Very good question, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but you just have to do it that there.

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00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: It's a different game, you know what I'm saying. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: this is the one thing I do know that if

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan is playing in today's game, okay, he'd average

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Speaker 1: four or five points a game because you can't touch him.

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Speaker 1: The that's the whole thing. You can't put your hands

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Speaker 1: on people the way you did before. So people were

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Speaker 1: grabbing Mike, throwing them to the ground, doing all kinds

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Speaker 1: of stuff. You can't touch a guy because the rules

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Speaker 1: are made for more scoring. So what would you do

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Speaker 1: with a guy like Michael Jordan's who can get to

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Speaker 1: the rim, jump over, you shoot any eight fataways or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and you can't put your hands on him. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would put Clay on him. It would not play. No, No,

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Speaker 1: of course Jordan's gonna get his. But the question is

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Speaker 1: those Bulls Leon were big primary really two point shooting teams.

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Speaker 1: These Warriors with K D. Curry Clay stretched the floor

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Speaker 1: three point shooting teams. It's almost like it's just a

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Speaker 1: math equation three more than two. Can the Bulls keep up? No? No, yeah,

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00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: without of doubt. But see, the error you're playing is different.

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Speaker 1: See because if you play in the nineties, right, that

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Speaker 1: means you could hand check Durant and Curry those guys

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Speaker 1: out there. You couldn't. You can't do that now. So

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Speaker 1: that is what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. The Celtics.

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Speaker 1: The Celtics did get after Curry, the number one defensive

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Speaker 1: didn't get out, but they also sent him to the

632
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Speaker 1: free line. Yeah, he did go to the freethrow line.

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Speaker 1: Yea right, That's what I'm saying. So what I'm saying

634
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Speaker 1: is that you could put your head, you can play

635
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Speaker 1: physical ball back then you can keep your hand on someone.

636
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I remember playing ball back

637
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: in the day. So if with the handle, you just

638
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: you knock it off, you know, like that's the way

639
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: we played. The REP wasn't gonna say anything. You had

640
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Speaker 1: to do that. Okay, So does that. I guess your

641
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Speaker 1: answer is in the nineties era you take the Bulls

642
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: and in the current era you take the Warriors. It's

643
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: just hard to say, yeah, yeah, So that makes a

644
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: question like this, like it's hard to compare errors. It

645
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: really is. The games of this game is officiated different,

646
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: The game is called differently, you know, So it's hard

647
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Speaker 1: and and and and the and the real reason why

648
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: I say that is because you're talking about great teams,

649
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: so more than like the game is going to come

650
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: down to the last two minutes or three minutes of

651
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Speaker 1: the game, and that's what officiating is huge. So you

652
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: gotta know, like how they're gonna call the game. Yeah,

653
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: that that's a big one. Um. I do wonder and

654
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Speaker 1: you make a good point about how the errors are

655
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: so different, but for some reasonly on we don't do

656
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Speaker 1: this when it comes to baseball and football, and football

657
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: has a lot of rules have changed as well, but

658
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: we never say like, oh yeah, quarterbacks from the eighties

659
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: and players from the eighties they could hang with today.

660
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: Because athletes historically have gotten bigger, the stronger, Technology has

661
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: gotten better, science has gotten better, nutrition, everything, like we

662
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: just everything gets better with time. But for some reason

663
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Speaker 1: lely On, I don't know what it is. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people we've had guests on the show, Eric Snow

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Speaker 1: recently um given me a lot of pushback on nineties basketball,

666
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Speaker 1: and everybody just seems to think for some reason, the

667
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Speaker 1: NBA hasn't gotten better, and that like the nineties product

668
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: was better than today, you know, And I just I

669
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Speaker 1: think what happens is the rules of the nineties allowed

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Speaker 1: the players to be stronger, allowed a guy who was

671
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Speaker 1: if if he could just overpower his man, just overpower them,

672
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Speaker 1: you know, and and allowed guys who were defensively stronger

673
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Speaker 1: than their guys to really push them around. You know

674
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And it Timoda, you can't intimate anyone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the ref wrong. He'll call

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Speaker 1: it technical vow. Two guys say something to each other,

677
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: they call it double technical. You kidding me? Yeah, I

678
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: mean it's it's just it's the game was officiated so

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00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: differently than it was then, so it's really hard to say. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you I think, from like you're saying, from that era,

681
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: we remember like the bad Boy Pistons just roughing up

682
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's. We remember the Nicks and the heat like

683
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: fighting and Jeff Van Gundy like hanging on Alonzo mornings

684
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: like like that. Stuff that does not happen in the league.

685
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: Now there's no fight. If there was a fight like

686
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: that in the league, there's every player would be suspended

687
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: for a year. Yeah. Yeah, they go hard. I mean

688
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: run our tests, going into the stands. I think got

689
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Speaker 1: a full year, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, him and Steve

690
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: Jackson got six games or something. Captain Jackson one of

691
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Speaker 1: the I I've done plenty of TV with him at

692
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Speaker 1: FS one and he's got stories every single day we

693
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: were in the room together. You know, he's just got

694
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Speaker 1: so many stories. And listen, a lot of people tend

695
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Speaker 1: to agree with you that the league is kind of

696
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: soft now, But I don't know where you start watching

697
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot or and I enjoy it and I like it,

698
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: and you know, and it's like it's the and this

699
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: is how the league is playing basketball, how they're calling

700
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with players. Okay, the players.

701
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: The players are great. They're fantastic. Like you say, athletes

702
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: are better now than they've ever been because of you know,

703
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: the physios and the things that we have at the

704
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: schools and what we know now, so you know, yeah,

705
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Speaker 1: I mean, but I don't think anything away from the players.

706
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: The players are cult playing the game that's being officiated,

707
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Speaker 1: you know, And I believe that all these players could

708
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: be just as strong and and could take it if

709
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Speaker 1: guys could be more physical with them in every in

710
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Speaker 1: every in every respect. That's just not the way the

711
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: game is played now. So in some respects it does favor,

712
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, the smaller player to some degree. Um, the

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00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: player that you know that isn't you know, that strong

714
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Speaker 1: or that big, because if he's super fast or can jump,

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Speaker 1: you know, saying John Moran is like that, he can

716
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Speaker 1: dominate you. I'm curious where you are on Steph Curry

717
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Speaker 1: and Lebron from this aspect, you know, Leon, We've never

718
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: seen a player in the league ever like Curry, the

719
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Speaker 1: way he's shooting through thirty footers, the wait can carry

720
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Speaker 1: a team at his size. We've never seen anyone like Lebron.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of a mix of like Carl Malone's body

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Speaker 1: and like John wall speed. We've never seen anything like

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Speaker 1: those two guys ever. I'm just curious where you are

724
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Speaker 1: on them. Like historically, among the all time greats, they're

725
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Speaker 1: there too. To the all time greats without it down.

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00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's you know, they always already

727
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, trying to put people in the

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Speaker 1: top ten, and yeah, people love that stuff. You can't

729
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: do that when someone comes along, just say they're one

730
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Speaker 1: of them, because you can't keep taking people out, you

731
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, like when you do if

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Speaker 1: greem and Willed and Bill Russell and and Michael Jordan's

733
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Speaker 1: and everybody else, who else is in the top ten,

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Speaker 1: Well they're they're they're not going anywhere. You want to

735
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Speaker 1: add people to them, to add people to them, but

736
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Speaker 1: stop trying to take people out for other people. It

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Speaker 1: is tough. Yeah, Like like, um, you know, and hakim

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Speaker 1: Ma Lajah One won the two championships, were a great player,

739
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: but like his resume set and Curry is still adding

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00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: to his. So people are like, oh, yeah, including me,

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00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: Curry is ahead of Elijah One a large one was awesome.

742
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: And it's not a knock though to say, yeah, Steph

743
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: Curry is one of the ten best. Elijah One is not.

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Speaker 1: He's like eleven. Like, I mean, how many people who

745
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: play in the NBA fifty You're the eleventh best it's

746
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: not a knock, right, And you're also talking about individuals

747
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: in a team game. You know, there's so many variables. Man,

748
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: who was on your team that year, who's playing well?

749
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's a team game, and really

750
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: that's the thing that should be rewarding the most are

751
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: the teams, because it's like, it's what's the round you

752
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: who did Michael Jordan pastitute for their last shot? You know,

753
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: that's what it matters, you know, So heading into next season,

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00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's contingent upon where Durant goes, what

755
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: happens with Kyrie Irving, But it sounds like you still

756
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: think the Warriors, anyone in the East you think can

757
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: can take him down. Boston was close. More keep up

758
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: with with Middleton? Oh yes, what I doubt Listen. The

759
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: one thing I'm absolutely sure of is every game Janice plays,

760
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: he's the best player on the floor. Who spicy Alright, listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't see games. I remember Game six in Milwaukee

762
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: and Tatum gave him But that's fine. But but he

763
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: averaged forty plus but the entire series, really the best

764
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Speaker 1: player in the series. I mean, he can't carry his

765
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: team every single game. I mean without his without his

766
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: robbing there, it was yeah, but I mean he was

767
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: putting on a show. And when I say best player,

768
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean on both ends of the floor. I mean

769
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Speaker 1: he's the guy on the deepness of end you are

770
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Speaker 1: watching because he is altering shots, blocking him running from

771
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: coast to coast. I mean it's I mean, how did

772
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Speaker 1: he how games? How did Yoki to win the MVP?

773
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Speaker 1: Then well he took They were added the m v

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Speaker 1: P race because of their poor star. He wanted he

775
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: wanted being in the MVP race as a third player

776
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: because they want up coming on so strong at the

777
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: beginning of season. They didn't even playing five on the ball. Yeah,

778
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: coming off the championship, they were just so you know,

779
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: he he kind of took himself out of it. You know, Um,

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00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: I just I definitely thought it was a two person

781
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: race within beating Yeah you like him beat huh, Well

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00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: I can beat it, And yeah, I thought there was

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Speaker 1: a Yeah. I had him beats trainer on here on

784
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: the podcast recently, and he found some of my old

785
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: tweets where I was just I'm out on and beat.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a winning player. Leon here here's

787
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: something and beat has never been to the conference finals

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00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: in his career, and don't tell me he hasn't played

789
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: with anybody. Ben Simmons, James Harden, uh, Tobias Harris is

790
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: making like thirty five bel he's had some players. Well, look,

791
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to get there. It is. It's

792
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: it's hard to get there. I mean literally, he had

793
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: a shot that rolled around, jumped up and tell it.

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00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: That's the reason why he wasn't there. I mean, I

795
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: mean it, it was just the margin. Barry is very close.

796
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: And then you know, they they took Jimmy Butler from him,

797
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: and I thought that was the best combination he would

798
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: have had, and so um and then you know, and

799
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: then you have to look, it's first what three years

800
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: he didn't even play. He was hurt a lot. Yeah,

801
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: he can't be games in the league hurt. So yeah,

802
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: um yeah, but it's you know, it's a process. And

803
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: like you say, you gotta have to write players around you.

804
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: And then you say, Ben Simmons, it's Ben Simmons, right,

805
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: a great talent, but obviously doesn't have the you know,

806
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: the head to deal with it. Yeah. Um, alright, Leon,

807
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: good stuff. I like, how fired up you get about

808
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: the NBA. That's good man, Like I mean, I'm passionate

809
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: about things that I like, of course. Yeah, yeah, you

810
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: got any exciting projects coming up? Um, let's see the

811
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: last movie I hadn't it is UM was with Bruce

812
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: Willis and Frank will and Kevin Dillon called The Day

813
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: to Die and it premieres on Hulu next month. Um.

814
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm doing um a part in UM Donald Glover's new

815
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: series and the Amazon Prime which I don't know when

816
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna air, and my reprise my role on the

817
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: City of the Hill on Showtime series. And and then

818
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: my band is you know, we're doing dates all around

819
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: the country. See staying busy. All right, man, we'll got

820
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: good stuff. Thanks for taking the time to come on.

821
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: Enjoy the NBA free agency madness all weekend. I will, man,

822
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: you take care.