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Speaker 3: what's coming up with the program today. On this August twelfth,
Speaker 3: Prisco and Vaselli are back. Despite our best efforts, they
Speaker 3: are back. Jaguars over the Chiefs in preseason Week one.
Speaker 1: Offensive standouts in the game, a new look defense, debuted
Speaker 1: special teams made an impact all over the field.
Speaker 3: Will keep it real?
Speaker 1: And Mannix fan questions, that's all coming up?
Speaker 4: J P.
Speaker 3: Shadwick with you, Tony Vasselli Hall of Famer, Literally ten
Speaker 3: seconds before the show walks into the studio.
Speaker 1: He's here, He's on time. It's great to see you, Tony.
Speaker 3: Why did you have to add the ten second before?
Speaker 3: I just wanted people to know the real you.
Speaker 5: I mean, I was ready, I'm here, got my coffee,
Speaker 5: got my water.
Speaker 6: CBS Sports Outside signing more more autographs for more money.
Speaker 3: Since that's what you do.
Speaker 5: That's not true, Pete, that's not true. That is inaccurate.
Speaker 5: What's going on there, my little friend.
Speaker 1: That's Pete Prisco CBS Sports.
Speaker 4: Hello, Peter we I was in town last week.
Speaker 6: I figured i'd bump into Tony and no, he said,
Speaker 6: Canton signing, signing and doing more signing.
Speaker 1: Ch ching, ch ching ch ching.
Speaker 3: All right, First things first, whoever's I need that TV
Speaker 3: on over there?
Speaker 1: Or wow?
Speaker 3: You come in fire and shots. You just show up
Speaker 3: ten seconds before the show. Well you can showed up
Speaker 3: thirty minutes ago. Maybe we can add something for you.
Speaker 5: Well, I got Pete to my left, So if I
Speaker 5: want to see Pete's beautiful face, I gotta look to
Speaker 5: the left, and then it looks terrible.
Speaker 4: How that is beautiful?
Speaker 3: Oh boy, that's South Florida tan baby.
Speaker 4: Uh huh Tony Uh.
Speaker 6: By the way, I gotta give you props because I'm skinny,
Speaker 6: but you're you're almost frail.
Speaker 3: No, I'm I'm I'm stronger than i've been in a
Speaker 3: long time. Pete.
Speaker 5: I've been lifting weights. I've changed, I've changed the game.
Speaker 5: It's not just about I'm not about I'm not about
Speaker 5: weight loss. I'm about body composition.
Speaker 3: Hey, just wait, Pete until the mister Chubby's Wings hour
Speaker 3: in the second hour. They're here tonight too. They delivered.
Speaker 3: I'm good Tony.
Speaker 6: Tony looks like he could couldn't play tight end. Now
Speaker 6: you gotta be, you gotta be.
Speaker 4: What are you?
Speaker 5: Two twenty no, two forty between. I linger around between
Speaker 5: two forty and two five on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: That's nice.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sixty pounds of that's your head.
Speaker 5: I mean, oh yeah, because you're you know, you're very
Speaker 5: you're very well proportioned. Let's not get into you. Wow,
Speaker 5: my goodness. I don't know if he's Seth Payne's uh
Speaker 5: post on X.
Speaker 3: We'll get to that a little bit later. Yes, somebody
Speaker 3: a little short. I'm not going to say who.
Speaker 4: And you know what, as I age, I get shorter.
Speaker 3: I think that's how it works.
Speaker 4: Good, I'm shrinking.
Speaker 3: That's okay, Pete. I still love you well.
Speaker 6: I love you and your big head too, So don't
Speaker 6: worry about it. JP, that's a whole other story. Hey, Tony,
Speaker 6: we're starting off the season. And the first thing I
Speaker 6: said to JP when I saw him in the media room.
Speaker 6: How much does your dad hate me?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: So the whole off season. I don't think it's it's
Speaker 1: built up yet. We haven't even to show yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that carries over, don't you think, Tony, it carries over.
Speaker 3: Well, Pete. Once someone doesn't like you usually does not change.
Speaker 1: You're always starting with a deficit.
Speaker 3: It does not just before we get into football, because
Speaker 3: we haven't done this for a while.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And I can't tell by the picture. Are you still
Speaker 5: being healthy, Pete? Are you healthy Pete?
Speaker 3: Or fat? And hell Pete?
Speaker 4: No, I'm way down, so you're not noticed.
Speaker 3: His camera shot like his shoulders up. He didn't want
Speaker 3: to show anything below that.
Speaker 4: I'm down.
Speaker 5: You're no longer as wide as tall.
Speaker 4: No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 3: That's good for you. By the way, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: Pete did look pretty good the other day. I'm being serious.
Speaker 5: Pete and I talked all off season, mostly via text,
Speaker 5: and I worry about Pete's health. He's a friend. I
Speaker 5: want to make sure he's healthy. I'm starting I'm.
Speaker 4: Starting about even last season.
Speaker 3: No, he did good.
Speaker 5: Now, Pete, we might want to focus our attention on
Speaker 5: JP because I'm not sure if you've noticed somebody not
Speaker 5: taking seriously, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You're a shape. I've been worse.
Speaker 1: You definitely have a shape, been a whole lot worse.
Speaker 4: Tony.
Speaker 6: So the two older guys, Grandpa me and then Grandpa
Speaker 6: number two, you better than than younger here.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think it's because we started seeing the end
Speaker 3: and we said, I'm still living a different lifestyle than.
Speaker 4: I.
Speaker 6: Might be the older one here, but if you count
Speaker 6: your years in football years, you're much older than me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think you start seeing the end, You're like, I
Speaker 3: might want to do something about this before it gets
Speaker 3: too much.
Speaker 4: More out of I come to the town. I noticed
Speaker 4: all over town guys have lost a ton of weight. Hacker. Yes, Matt,
Speaker 4: Matt Hayes. I mean it's unreal, it's good.
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, you gotta take care of yourself, like yeah,
Speaker 5: like the first thing.
Speaker 4: That do you eat anymore?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh yeah, he stars himself a lot of heavy protein,
Speaker 3: lifting weights, heavy protein.
Speaker 4: You don't look like you're lifting weights. That's why I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think so Okay, I'm lying because I because
Speaker 3: i'm definition.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean you want me to take the
Speaker 5: shirt off? No, no, you can the six pack is there?
Speaker 3: No, No, it's weird.
Speaker 6: Is I haven't had any sort of abs in my
Speaker 6: entire nearby.
Speaker 3: It's the first time in fifty two I got apps.
Speaker 3: I'm like, where these come?
Speaker 4: I actually have like remnants of them.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 4: It's happened, Pete.
Speaker 3: I am fifty two years old.
Speaker 5: Never in my life have I seen even like the
Speaker 5: starting like definition of an app either. And I'm like
Speaker 5: my wife, She's like, my goodness, like you like, you
Speaker 5: got a four pack for sure? Of the six packs
Speaker 5: coming in. I'm like, that's right, baby.
Speaker 6: But you get to certain points, right, you get you
Speaker 6: gotta stop though, You gotta you get to a point
Speaker 6: and you become obsessive and you gotta stop.
Speaker 1: Pete, what are you doing on a daily basis? What's
Speaker 1: your regular routine?
Speaker 7: I work it out every day a lot. But I
Speaker 7: don't eat much either, so I'm way down a lot
Speaker 7: of protein.
Speaker 4: Like Tony said. Yeah, And here's the other thing, is
Speaker 4: you know, I went and saw my doctor.
Speaker 6: When I see the doctor, he told me I actually
Speaker 6: have to start lifting weights more because you get older
Speaker 6: and you're owns men frail.
Speaker 3: That's right, they do. Yeah. Yeah, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 6: Pee, I'm gonna make it through fat ball season. I
Speaker 6: did it last year. I'll do it again. I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna get I just I just you gotta do it
Speaker 6: or else, you know. Again, like Tony said.
Speaker 1: The end clocks sticking. The clocks can take it. It's
Speaker 1: sticking faster, Pete. It goes faster every year.
Speaker 4: It seemed like the season just that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm like, wait a second, Like I'm like, like,
Speaker 5: the season's here, which means in my world, this is
Speaker 5: that's always been. Once the season's here, it's over. Because
Speaker 5: you like you blink, you wake up and you're it's
Speaker 5: like Christmas playoffs done. It's like, holy cow.
Speaker 6: You know, life goes fast, as like Tony said, as
Speaker 6: you get a little older, it goes faster. But I
Speaker 6: always said, if life went as fast as a football
Speaker 6: season dead we did, we'd all be dead and about
Speaker 6: five years.
Speaker 5: It goes so fast. But that's because it's so much fun.
Speaker 5: And this is, I mean the exciting thing. We're getting
Speaker 5: ready to kick off here and we have first preseason
Speaker 5: game with the Jags against the Chiefs. This is the
Speaker 5: most fun time of the year, you know, getting into September,
Speaker 5: fall change of the weather football and now it's like
Speaker 5: all day Sunday, Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday. I mean
Speaker 5: it's like then you get late in the season, you
Speaker 5: get Saturday games, and it's just it's all consuming. And
Speaker 5: I saw the best thing I've seen. It was either
Speaker 5: on Instagram or x I can't remember which. One was
Speaker 5: a little parody and basically it was as a husband
Speaker 5: sending his wife a two week notice, basically saying, this
Speaker 5: is your two week notice that starting on this September X,
Speaker 5: every Sunday from ten am to eleven eleven pm, I
Speaker 5: will be unavailable for any housework from six pm to
Speaker 5: eleven pm on Mondays.
Speaker 3: It was great, it was such.
Speaker 6: A Good's the way the league is two it's gonna
Speaker 6: be every.
Speaker 1: Day they don't have a game, it's Tuesday because they
Speaker 1: have Christmas Wednesday games this year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in college football on Saturday year. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: it's NonStop.
Speaker 4: It's unreal.
Speaker 5: It is it is our for it from a sports
Speaker 5: culture standpoint, it is our religion. It is what is
Speaker 5: this time of year. It owns the TV, the radio,
Speaker 5: the internet. I mean, if you're a sports fan, it's
Speaker 5: all football, all the time. And Pete, I know you
Speaker 5: and I and I know JP's the same way, and
Speaker 5: we love it because we love the game of football.
Speaker 5: It's a great game. It's great to cover, it's great,
Speaker 5: it's great to play. And I am looking forward to
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four and I think it's it has the potential.
Speaker 5: And we'll talk about this tonight and all through the
Speaker 5: preseason we lead up to opening Day down in South Florida.
Speaker 3: Are we gonna see you down in South Florida, Pete?
Speaker 3: Opening Day?
Speaker 4: Ill come come. I'm not gonna be at the game,
Speaker 4: but I'll come by the hotel.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Let's play it on dinner Saturday night. Wow, we'll go
Speaker 5: to dinner.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: How about that? Maybe we'll do the show dinner or
Speaker 3: you're not.
Speaker 1: There, I mean, enjoy tell me how it.
Speaker 3: Is, guys, me and people will do a show dinner.
Speaker 3: Thanks all.
Speaker 5: Yes, you're welcome. You'll be invited, but won't be there,
Speaker 5: probably not. But you know, we'll talk about all the
Speaker 5: lead up to that game. And there's a lot of
Speaker 5: things that need to happen, can happen, you know, and
Speaker 5: we'll talk about all that. But boy, I'm excited about
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Guys, before we dig into this preseason game, we got
Speaker 3: the rest of the show for all that and the
Speaker 3: first kind of look at this team. This was obviously
Speaker 3: a huge offseason for the organization, both in the personnel
Speaker 3: side and outside of football as well. We start with
Speaker 3: the cornerstone payouts to big time players, the quarterback, defensive end,
Speaker 3: cornerback all getting multi year extensions this offseason, and then
Speaker 3: of course the stadium deal going through the city council
Speaker 3: still has to be approved by the ownership. That's a
Speaker 3: lot going on in one off season, Tony, and it
Speaker 3: seems like a monumental foundation piece for this franchise moving
Speaker 3: ahead at both sides.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the way I look at this offseason,
Speaker 5: like the stadium stuff set that aside, like it's almost
Speaker 5: let me say it this way, there's like three buckets
Speaker 5: of big things that happened this offseason. The stadium was huge,
Speaker 5: and we'll talk about what that means and how I'll
Speaker 5: give you my opinion how I feel about it, what
Speaker 5: it means for the future of this franchise, But much
Speaker 5: bigger than the future of this franchise, because this franchise
Speaker 5: was going to have a future regardless, but what it
Speaker 5: means in the impact it can have in our city,
Speaker 5: and what it means for the next thirty years, which
Speaker 5: I'm super excited about. And then as I think about
Speaker 5: the off season on the football side, I kind of
Speaker 5: break it down into two categories player acquisition, So what
Speaker 5: they did in free agency and the draft, and I
Speaker 5: think we should spend some time at least a segment
Speaker 5: talking about that and what we thought at the moment
Speaker 5: and how we think it's played out so far during camp.
Speaker 5: And then the second book of this offseason was locking
Speaker 5: up foundational players for the long term, because I think
Speaker 5: that's different. It's something we have not done very well
Speaker 5: because we haven't had those type of players through the
Speaker 5: draft lately. But we locked up three guys. And give
Speaker 5: seat con credit because he wrote the checks to a
Speaker 5: lot of money, a lot of guaranteed money. And I
Speaker 5: love what we did there, and we can dive into
Speaker 5: it even.
Speaker 3: Deeper because you have to.
Speaker 5: You have to set the foundation of who you want
Speaker 5: to be at key places and the four premium positions
Speaker 5: in the NFL today our quarterback first and foremost. I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna say, I'm gonna say your offensive line, and
Speaker 5: I think it's your two tackles would be the highest premium.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's a difference in today's NFL between
Speaker 5: left and right tackle because of how people are rushing
Speaker 5: the quarterback. You have premium rushers on both sides. Uh,
Speaker 5: and then your corner I mean, I mean sorry, past rush,
Speaker 5: pass rusher and then corner. So we pass rusher obviously
Speaker 5: Josh Allen, and then corner.
Speaker 4: To it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete, we could discuss that.
Speaker 5: Obviously, you want a big play receiver, there's no doubt
Speaker 5: about that in today's passing league. But I still think
Speaker 5: those other four are more important because if you have.
Speaker 4: A quarter you count the entire offensive line, then, no
Speaker 4: doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Because if you can, if you can, if you have
Speaker 3: a quarterback and you can protect the quarterback right, then
Speaker 3: you can do a lot of things in offense. Those
Speaker 3: two things like it because you can have the best
Speaker 3: premium receiver. If you can't protect, true, you're gonna struggle.
Speaker 6: But if you don't have a great if you don't
Speaker 6: if you have a good offensive line and you have
Speaker 6: a good quarterback, but you don't have to stretch the field, guy,
Speaker 6: you're going to be limited in what you can do.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the number one down the field guy.
Speaker 3: So New England would New England would disagree with you
Speaker 3: for about twenty years of Tom Brady in a solid
Speaker 3: offensive line and a great offensive line.
Speaker 4: Car Okay, well, now that you're compare with Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 4: to Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not I'm not doing it. My point, Pete
Speaker 3: is I still right out of the gate. Isn't it
Speaker 3: amazing how he twists no matter what I say? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a great talent that Pete has. It's a great talent.
Speaker 3: He can take anything I say and make it whatever
Speaker 3: he wants it. To Lawrence, I love it.
Speaker 4: I love it. I get what you say.
Speaker 6: But there are outliers on the whole and Tony and
Speaker 6: it was different most of his error too. You would
Speaker 6: agree with that the rules have mandated where the wide
Speaker 6: receivers become the big play. Wide receivers become much more
Speaker 6: valuable than he used to be.
Speaker 5: I would say the big play where wide receivers like
Speaker 5: the running back was when I.
Speaker 3: Played like you. Maybe, but remember back when I especially
Speaker 3: earlier in my career, Pete, it was if you have
Speaker 3: a quarterback, a big offensive line and you can control
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and then you have that explosive back.
Speaker 3: You are really tough to be.
Speaker 5: It was like that was Tom's formula's run the ball,
Speaker 5: not turn it over, play smart possession football, and play
Speaker 5: good defense.
Speaker 3: I mean that was really Now we ended up get
Speaker 3: Jimmy Smith.
Speaker 5: Think keen mar Mark Uh uh McCardell, sorry, uh Keenan McCardell.
Speaker 5: I remember you stopped Keenamar cardell, and you have two
Speaker 5: guys outside.
Speaker 3: I did not played with the guy for how long Mark's.
Speaker 1: I mean even the first segments over Pete.
Speaker 3: We already got one.
Speaker 4: No, I know that team. It was like he was
Speaker 4: a stiff at the end of the bench. You not
Speaker 4: know his name.
Speaker 3: I do know his name.
Speaker 4: I missed first of all.
Speaker 5: I corrected myself, and then you got all over me
Speaker 5: and I got flustered.
Speaker 3: To be honestly, I got flustered.
Speaker 4: I get all over him.
Speaker 5: Yeah you did try it again, McCardell. Okay, let's come back.
Speaker 5: I know Keenan very well. McCardell. I know him too.
Speaker 5: We gott to finish this thought a little no, but
Speaker 5: I'm saying we will go deep into it. But I
Speaker 5: want I think as you talk about the off season,
Speaker 5: then yeah. My broader point before I butcher any anything
Speaker 5: else is I think you have to look at these
Speaker 5: in three distinct manners, because they're all different.
Speaker 3: We'll get to those.
Speaker 6: There's some theory that the quarterback deal getting done when
Speaker 6: it did was kind of tied to that, to that
Speaker 6: stadium deal a little bit.
Speaker 4: Did you Yeah, you know.
Speaker 7: Something happened like I don't think says before the vote, Well,
Speaker 7: he was going to get it anyways, but the fact
Speaker 7: that he got it before the vote, you don't think.
Speaker 3: There's no I think both.
Speaker 5: I think both were gonna happen independently, independently of each other.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that. Let's put it this way.
Speaker 6: I'm glad the stadium is staying there because I think
Speaker 6: that team. I've said it for years and years. I've
Speaker 6: defended that city so many times.
Speaker 4: It belongs in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 8: And I think that's what you're seeing out there in practice.
Speaker 8: It's what I'm seeing anyway. And then tonight there's so
Speaker 8: many guys playing in this game.
Speaker 4: You just there wasn't really a drop off.
Speaker 8: You know, because sometimes when you when you get out
Speaker 8: of that first second unit, sometimes there's a letdown or
Speaker 8: a drop off with playing.
Speaker 4: I didn't see that tonight.
Speaker 8: Our guys played played fast, they played hard.
Speaker 4: Were their mistakes.
Speaker 8: Sure, there were mistakes and MS and things like that
Speaker 8: that we can clean up this week. But you know,
Speaker 8: I think top to bottom, you know, the guys, the
Speaker 8: guys played. Credit to them, they played fast and they
Speaker 8: played physical.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good stuff. Should I do my first lock
Speaker 5: of the year?
Speaker 1: Oh early lock.
Speaker 4: Pete, I thought you locked the Chiefs game last week.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a preseason lock. We're gonna go undefeed in
Speaker 5: the preseason.
Speaker 4: Who cares?
Speaker 5: Well, I know no one cares. But and I'm I'm
Speaker 5: stealing this from Logs. This is Logs inside.
Speaker 3: He's an original lock. No, it's not. It's very It's
Speaker 3: a stall and lock.
Speaker 5: And it made me think when Doug said that he
Speaker 5: didn't see a drop off from you know, first, second,
Speaker 5: third unit, and I would agree as far as how
Speaker 5: the offense defense functioned. And a lot of that on
Speaker 5: the offense side of the ball is because usually your
Speaker 5: third quarterback is some rookie who doesn't even know which
Speaker 5: ways up or down. And we have three veteran quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, so in the preseason you have
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence, You're gonna have Matt Jones for a first
Speaker 5: rounder started took a team to the playoffs, and CJ. Bethard,
Speaker 5: who's won football games and played a lot of snaps
Speaker 5: in this league and understands the offense. And so you're
Speaker 5: not gonna I mean offensively, you're gonna be able to
Speaker 5: function throughout the entire game, which gives you a huge
Speaker 5: advantage over a lot of the teams you're playing.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense because most teams like have Nathan
Speaker 4: Roar that's right.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have a guy that you're just maybe
Speaker 3: trying to hide none at all.
Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, Pete, So that's a dumble,
Speaker 5: it's a dumb lock. But I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 5: It's dumb, glad you admit, But I thought.
Speaker 6: I thought of question about those three quarterbacks too. Yeah,
Speaker 6: how how's the competition? Who do you think ends up number?
Speaker 6: Mac Jones has to be number two?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not even really. Yeah, I don't think it's
Speaker 3: I don't even think it's a thing. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's a competition. I don't think it is Pete trade
Speaker 3: for a first round.
Speaker 4: Quarter, keep all three of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think CJ's on practice squad with
Speaker 5: the new Pratt squad rules, you put them on there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's clear, like there's no I.
Speaker 1: Mean, what would they make that move for him to
Speaker 1: be like a question mark?
Speaker 5: Well, and I give I give Mac Jones a ton
Speaker 5: of credit because I was not crazy about the trade
Speaker 5: at the moment, because you know, everyone's like, oh, you're
Speaker 5: worried about the competition with Trevor. No, I'm not worried
Speaker 5: with the competition with Trevor. What I was concerned about
Speaker 5: because I don't know Mac Jones. I know he's a
Speaker 5: Jacksonville kid. I've never met him. I don't know his personality.
Speaker 5: I didn't know how he'd handle it. But Pete will
Speaker 5: attest to this. There's certain guys in this league that
Speaker 5: get drafted high, they feel like they're a starter, they
Speaker 5: get traded, and they have mentality like I'm going to
Speaker 5: get that job.
Speaker 3: It's my job.
Speaker 5: And the last thing I thought this place needed is
Speaker 5: a guy coming in as the backup not knowing his role,
Speaker 5: and that backup's role is to support our franchise quarterback
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence and just not knowing the dynamics of the
Speaker 5: personality Mac Jones. I've been so impressed with Mac Jones
Speaker 5: about how he's approached it, his energy, just you know,
Speaker 5: I thought he was always a good quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 5: he proved that in New England. I thought he got
Speaker 5: a raw deal in New England when Bill Belichick decided
Speaker 5: to take a defensive coordinator and make him the offensive
Speaker 5: line coach and the special teams guy to make him
Speaker 5: the offensive coordinator. That's a tough situation to operate in
Speaker 5: if you're Mac Jones. But I was always impressed with him,
Speaker 5: and I'm even more oppressed now just how he's handled
Speaker 5: the situation energy at practice, understands his role, you know.
Speaker 4: And well you know too, Tony. Some guys are just
Speaker 4: meant to be backup quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's okay.
Speaker 5: It is okay. I think that's Mac Jones. I actually
Speaker 5: think Mac Jones is a starter in this league.
Speaker 6: For where though. I mean he's in Jacksonville. He's not
Speaker 6: starting there.
Speaker 3: Well, but you know how it goes. The guys might
Speaker 3: get hurt later in the year and then the deal
Speaker 3: and and he I'll give you be a perfect example, Pete.
Speaker 4: He was appailable for anybody for anything but a fourth
Speaker 4: round pick.
Speaker 5: Right hold on Pete last year of his deal as well. So, Pete,
Speaker 5: this is how I think about it. I'm not saying
Speaker 5: this is going to happen. Mac Jones comes in, has
Speaker 5: a good preseason, which he's kicked it off, having a
Speaker 5: good preseason, and is the backup all year. Let's hope
Speaker 5: that he doesn't have to play one snap outside of
Speaker 5: coming up to maybe we're up by fifty and he
Speaker 5: comes up and whatever. But hopefully he doesn't have to
Speaker 5: play meaningful snaps because that means Trevor's healthy the whole year.
Speaker 5: And now he's a free agent, and you know this league, Pete,
Speaker 5: you're telling me there's not going to be a couple
Speaker 5: of teams that are looking for a quarterback. And on
Speaker 5: that scouting staff, there's somebody who loved mac Jones come
Speaker 5: out of college and they say, this guy's a start,
Speaker 5: and they'll put on his tape from his first year
Speaker 5: with Belichick and a good coordinator, seeing that they took
Speaker 5: him to the playoffs, and they say, you know what,
Speaker 5: we can go get this guy and pay fifteen million
Speaker 5: bucks or twelve million bucks, and he can be our
Speaker 5: starter and maybe he blossoms into a like no.
Speaker 3: Different than Baker Mayfield. I mean, look at Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield signed a prove it deal with the Buccaneers
Speaker 3: and ended up playing at a level, taking that team
Speaker 3: to the playoffs where he got a franchise deal. Very
Speaker 3: I could see that happening with Mac Jones. And if
Speaker 3: that happens, Pete, guess what the Jags get. They get
Speaker 3: a competitory pick because he gets signed by another team.
Speaker 4: I know, I get I see it in theory.
Speaker 6: First off, I don't think does Mac Jones have that
Speaker 6: chip on his shoulder like a Baker do?
Speaker 4: I think he does well.
Speaker 6: I think he looks happy to be the backup in Jacksonville.
Speaker 6: He looks like a happy kid. You're right, he's bought
Speaker 6: into it and he looks just looks intent and happy.
Speaker 5: I think I think he's happy because he is in
Speaker 5: a situation that stable. He can grow as a player,
Speaker 5: he can play a role. I think he's a high
Speaker 5: energy guy by nature, and I think he's coming up
Speaker 5: with a great ad to because I think he knows
Speaker 5: if he does a good job, this is his best
Speaker 5: path of getting an opportunity to be a starter again.
Speaker 4: Was playing ever a starter again? He wasn't, was he?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, he was always a backup. That's sometimes you're just
Speaker 4: a backup. And he made a long career out of
Speaker 4: being a backup. That's okay.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. My point
Speaker 3: is I still think Matt Jones can be a starter
Speaker 3: in this league.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna play Devil's advocate on it.
Speaker 6: He was available for anybody who wanted to give up,
Speaker 6: say a third round pick, to make him the starter.
Speaker 4: Nobody did right.
Speaker 1: From that though, and move, move up and on. You
Speaker 1: never know how he can play.
Speaker 3: He can play himself out of that stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just think so. Look, he wondery good when
Speaker 6: he played. After the first year, he was okay.
Speaker 4: But would you agree that the a bad situation bad situation.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to defend that situation one bit, not
Speaker 6: at all. But he was awful in some games, Tony
Speaker 6: with the capitol A.
Speaker 4: I mean he was bad.
Speaker 6: And sometimes I think you get all the pressure off
Speaker 6: of you and you become a backup quarterback and so
Speaker 6: you can make you can stay in the league a
Speaker 6: long time and become a backup as a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's okay, Jaguars happy, Prisco, Tony WASCELLI JP Shadwick quickly.
Speaker 1: How did Trevor Lawrence look to you the other night?
Speaker 4: Overall?
Speaker 3: Outstanding? Two drives?
Speaker 5: I mean, small sample size. I thought he was outstanding.
Speaker 5: He did exactly what you want me to do.
Speaker 6: You think of the sack on fourth down because Ingram
Speaker 6: came open LA pivot route late, but by that time
Speaker 6: there was pressure kind of pushing him to the left
Speaker 6: and he kind of dropped his head down a little bit.
Speaker 6: If he stays there and throws it, that's a completion
Speaker 6: for a first down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that was.
Speaker 4: My only knock on him, and I'm being nippicky.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I think if I mean, if
Speaker 3: I wanted to be nitpicky on that play, maybe you
Speaker 3: can hang in there half a tick longer and get
Speaker 3: it to Ingram for the first down.
Speaker 5: Maybe the other thing he could do is he scrammed
Speaker 5: those right. I thought, you know, maybe it was Kirk
Speaker 5: or someone was coming open late on the crosser, real
Speaker 5: real late, and maybe he could just throw it up
Speaker 5: because it's fourth down. You throw it down deep in
Speaker 5: the field and can't. Yeah, I mean, so that's the
Speaker 5: only nitpicky. But in that situation, really what I wanted
Speaker 5: him to do, Pete, if I'm being completely honest, fall
Speaker 5: down and don't get hit, because I don't care if
Speaker 5: we pick up fourth down or not. I don't want
Speaker 5: my franchise quarterback getting hit in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Well, then why the right side of the line break
Speaker 1: down on that play?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 6: I think that was in the interior or the offensive line.
Speaker 6: If it came across it. I think it came across
Speaker 6: to Actually I think it might have come across the center.
Speaker 5: I thought it was the right guard. But I'll be
Speaker 5: honest with you, I did not go back and watch
Speaker 5: the tape in I.
Speaker 4: Said, I gotta remember what it was. But here's the
Speaker 4: other thing.
Speaker 6: The throw we made to Gabe Davis in the middle
Speaker 6: of the field was what was missing.
Speaker 4: Year ago in a lot of situations.
Speaker 5: That one right there, And by the way, if you
Speaker 5: go back and look at that.
Speaker 4: Opens to his left that comes back to the middle.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 5: And watch him hanging in there because he gets pressured
Speaker 5: in his face and gets hit as he's throwing it.
Speaker 4: That's the throw.
Speaker 6: When last year when we'd sit here and we'd say
Speaker 6: he wasn't pulling the trigger on those throws, he wasn't.
Speaker 4: He was bailing. That's the throw right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I wonder do they have the fourth and five?
Speaker 5: We're watching the same play over and over again, which
Speaker 5: is excited about the Yeah, the fourth and five where
Speaker 5: doesn't have it?
Speaker 3: Don't have it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember, I think it came maybe it's either
Speaker 6: Sheriff or or Morse.
Speaker 4: I think it was let him, let him through.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I thought Trevor was fine what
Speaker 5: you wanted out that first preseason game. I thought the
Speaker 5: whole offense was fine. You know, they got the short
Speaker 5: field with I mean, the MVP of the of the
Speaker 5: whole game was Parker Washington.
Speaker 6: He looks it's like a different he looks like a
Speaker 6: different guy even running his routes.
Speaker 5: Well, he's a different guy. In Camp Pete, He's had
Speaker 5: a great camp.
Speaker 1: Trevor talked about that going into the game, actually, about
Speaker 1: how Parker's really improved, and it showed you.
Speaker 5: I mean, my goodness, I'm like, is this the same
Speaker 5: guy we had?
Speaker 3: Last year. I mean he looks great.
Speaker 4: It looks he looks like a he looks like a pro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does.
Speaker 5: And I give him credit because I mean, Pete, We've
Speaker 5: talked about this for years. The biggest the biggest step
Speaker 5: you want to see from your You want to see
Speaker 5: that big jump from your rookie the second year because
Speaker 5: a lot of guys struggle as rookies, and you don't
Speaker 5: want to make a judgment just based on their rookie year.
Speaker 5: The judgment is, Okay, how do they progress from that
Speaker 5: rookie year to that second year? Now that they're a pro,
Speaker 5: they have a year in the system, they understand the system,
Speaker 5: they're in the off season program, they get stronger, they
Speaker 5: do all the things, they mature and by all signs
Speaker 5: and all indications, Parker Washington did his did his job
Speaker 5: this offseason and prepping himself being ready. He's had a
Speaker 5: great camp. He was we you know, the book coming
Speaker 5: on him out of college was is He's dynamic like
Speaker 5: a running back after he catches it. He's not like
Speaker 5: a super fast, straight line guy. That's how he's known for.
Speaker 5: He's a change the direction.
Speaker 3: Powerful runner.
Speaker 5: He saw that first hand on that dang kickoff returned
Speaker 5: to start the game, and my holy cow, this guy's
Speaker 5: he looks like a running back with the ball.
Speaker 6: He's the only he's the only one who's done anything
Speaker 6: with that kickoff crap.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that, I quote kickoff crap a little
Speaker 1: bit later.
Speaker 5: I want to pay off the teas we talked about.
Speaker 5: Let's let's talk about the off season in the next segment. Okay,
Speaker 5: at some point we talked about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah we should because there's a lot.
Speaker 3: There's a lot there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. And we haven't been on since the offseason.
Speaker 3: We have not. We've got a little defensive talk to go. Also, yeah,
Speaker 3: should we go off season?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: Defense or defense and offense?
Speaker 1: Tell you what, if you shut up more than ten
Speaker 1: seconds before the show, maybe you could produce some segments.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't be fun if I did that. It's more
Speaker 5: fun doing this.
Speaker 3: That's fun.
Speaker 4: I think, so got like jumping around to Tony's right. Dude.
Speaker 4: JP likes to structure Tony.
Speaker 6: He likes try your guy gotta bank and that segment
Speaker 6: me and you go off the rails and he can't
Speaker 6: handle it.
Speaker 3: JP's a buzzkill. He ruins it.
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Speaker 3: is Shaguars Happy our first Monday show of the season,
Speaker 3: presented by Jet Holme Loans. We're at the Hyundai Studios,
Speaker 3: the Miller Electric Center. Well, two thirds of the show
Speaker 3: is JP Shaddick, Tony Boselli here in Jacksonville, Pete Prisco
Speaker 3: down in South Florida.
Speaker 5: You know what we need to do one Monday, Pete.
Speaker 5: We got to organize it where you come up and
Speaker 5: do the show from here on a Monday. And I
Speaker 5: know that's hard for you because your your schedule's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's impossible even in.
Speaker 3: The preseason before the season starts. So then we could
Speaker 3: go out and get a big steak dinner afterwards. Media
Speaker 3: and JP.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that. That would be grea.
Speaker 6: We could have done it on a fa on the
Speaker 6: day I came into town, but you weren't there.
Speaker 4: He was signing autograph somewhere for more money.
Speaker 5: I was not signing autographs. I was in Canton at
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame weekend.
Speaker 6: By the way, I saw you at the ceremony, sitting
Speaker 6: slefed overall, it was.
Speaker 4: Like ready to get out of there.
Speaker 3: That was a long day because of the weather delay.
Speaker 3: Holy cow, that's right. You heard from josh An's Allen.
Speaker 3: Of course, the big contract in the off season, and
Speaker 3: this kind of leans into the defensive performance. The other
Speaker 3: night saw some new faces for the first time. They
Speaker 3: did a lot of business on that side of the
Speaker 3: ball this offseason. Josh was obviously the biggest piece of that.
Speaker 3: They extended Foyer Lucan as well linebacker. They in free
Speaker 3: agency picked up Darnault Savage and Ronald Darby, a couple
Speaker 3: of veteran players in the league, and then in the
Speaker 3: draft a couple of corners come in, Jarion Jones, DeAndre Prince.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they were busy this offseason on the defensive
Speaker 3: side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And new and new scheme as well.
Speaker 3: Up hasn't practiced, but they're looking leaning towards the Atlanta
Speaker 3: game week getting him ready to go.
Speaker 5: And I think I mean Mason Smith, the second rounder
Speaker 5: from MELSU, did you mention him?
Speaker 3: But not yes to big signing.
Speaker 5: I mean the big news is locking up Josh Allen,
Speaker 5: heins Allen, excuse me, for a long term deal, you know,
Speaker 5: solidifying that and I think having him number one, bringing
Speaker 5: Ryan Nielson in going to a four to three, I
Speaker 5: thought our personnel fit for three better than three four,
Speaker 5: just because heins Allen and Walker, the two of them
Speaker 5: are defensive ends in my book, They're not outside linebackers
Speaker 5: that you want to drop. I mean, come on, I mean,
Speaker 5: those guys are handing the ground, get after the quarterback,
Speaker 5: big physical guys. They both put on weight. They both
Speaker 5: look great coming into the camp, and so I think
Speaker 5: that's a super super positive Armstead. We'll see hopefully healthy
Speaker 5: coming off surgery in the offseason. And then you talked
Speaker 5: about the back half locked up Tyson Campbell, who I
Speaker 5: think is gonna excel in this scheme.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's a long guy who can run. They're
Speaker 5: gonna play a lot more aggressive coverage, a lot of
Speaker 5: man in Ryan Neilson's defense. So I like that quite
Speaker 5: a bit. They added a bunch of young guys. It'll
Speaker 5: be interesting to see where does this who's in the
Speaker 5: secondary besides Tyson? I mean, if we're guessing, I mean,
Speaker 5: obviously Cisco has had a great camp so far. I
Speaker 5: think he's the next Darby.
Speaker 4: Darby will be one corner too.
Speaker 5: I think Darby. I think you're right, Pete, I don't
Speaker 5: doubt that. My guess is Savage is mere Nickel. Once
Speaker 5: he gets healthy, he's head. He played a lot of
Speaker 5: Nickel in green Bell.
Speaker 6: But I know, but when you play when you play
Speaker 6: him at Nickel, I think I think you can get
Speaker 6: him with shifty, smaller court receivers.
Speaker 4: I think that's a problem there.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 5: I mean he played a lot of out at green Bay,
Speaker 5: played more. I thought he played more nickel than safety
Speaker 5: at green Bay.
Speaker 4: And and then Johnson will be the other safe.
Speaker 5: Antonio Johns will be the other safety. So and then
Speaker 5: you got all the young guys you talked about. The
Speaker 5: other interesting thing on defense, Ryan Nielson's come in flipped
Speaker 5: a lucon and Lloyd Devin. Lloyd Devn's gonna be the
Speaker 5: Mike linebacker. Foyer will still have the green dot, he'll
Speaker 5: still call the defense, but he's gonna be in the whale.
Speaker 4: Thus, Lewacon runs better. That's what that is. Coverage.
Speaker 3: I don't think he runs better Pete.
Speaker 5: I think he's better in coverage because he's so precise
Speaker 5: in everything he does.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Maybe, but he also looks like he runs a little
Speaker 6: bit better. I think going straight forward, I think Lloyd's good.
Speaker 6: I think turning and running is a problem for him sometimes. Okay,
Speaker 6: what'd you think of the run play when he jumped
Speaker 6: through the run fit the other day on the big
Speaker 6: run that was on him.
Speaker 3: Well, they started up front, they got washed yeah, like
Speaker 3: three they've got washed three gaps and so now and
Speaker 3: then the.
Speaker 4: Walker almost made the play coming down from the end.
Speaker 3: They got washed quite a bit.
Speaker 5: And then where Devin when he got you got uh,
Speaker 5: he got covered up by the line guy who had
Speaker 5: a release from the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: So I love what they've done on defense.
Speaker 7: I think they're bigger, They're they're tougher, they're more physical,
Speaker 7: I think, and I think that's Matt it has that matters.
Speaker 6: And you mentioned it, Tony. Look, I talked to Heinz Walker.
Speaker 6: I had him in an interview.
Speaker 5: And who's heines Walker?
Speaker 6: Allan, I'm sorry, Well, see I combined the two of
Speaker 6: them because for forty sacks this year. No, you were right,
Speaker 6: Tony was right. We got to give him credit for
Speaker 6: that too. I don't want to give him credit for it, but.
Speaker 4: He was right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean I talked to him and and
Speaker 6: he's big, he says, he's he's so much bigger. He
Speaker 6: feels so much more comfortable going forward, Like we talked
Speaker 6: about that all last year, don't you his best football's
Speaker 6: played going forward? Why the hell did I have him
Speaker 6: dropping into coverage all the time? And and same with
Speaker 6: not all the time, but the same with Walker. But
Speaker 6: I did ask him, JP, you were right. I asked
Speaker 6: him about the motivation for not being a game wrecker,
Speaker 6: and it was on his it had it was on
Speaker 6: his phone. He said he admitted to it, and he
Speaker 6: had it on there for a while. So, like I
Speaker 6: told him, I said, I'm his life coach.
Speaker 7: I got him straight and and the way I look
Speaker 7: at it, I didn't tell him this, but maybe he
Speaker 7: should send me a little bit of a cut for
Speaker 7: that check.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe shocking shocking. Pete thinks he should get
Speaker 3: paid for doing nothing, for criticizing being a loud mouth.
Speaker 3: He wants to get paid.
Speaker 6: But the funny thing about that is is I got
Speaker 6: blamed for the lack of the game wrecker talk.
Speaker 4: I would not. I was not alone on that one,
Speaker 4: but Seldy was right there with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. I think we were all pretty much
Speaker 1: in agreement.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and listen at that pobably. I mean they
Speaker 3: had to go prove it.
Speaker 5: I'll be honest, I would tell Josh this. I mean,
Speaker 5: Josh is a friend of mine. I mean we have
Speaker 5: a great relationship. I love him, loved him last year
Speaker 5: before he had seventeen a half sacks. I've always thought he's
Speaker 5: a has the ability to be the dude, that guy,
Speaker 5: but me believing it, it's like Trevor. I think Trevor's
Speaker 5: one of the best, can be one of the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: In the NFL.
Speaker 5: Me thinking that doesn't really matter. At the end of
Speaker 5: the day, you got to go do it on the field.
Speaker 5: Trevor needs to do that. I believe he will. I
Speaker 5: thought Josh heinz Allen had that ability, he had not
Speaker 5: done it yet.
Speaker 4: And he did it game wrecker.
Speaker 3: Now when you have seventeen and half sacks Pete, yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but remember the three he had and for I
Speaker 4: told him this too.
Speaker 6: The three had in week one don't count, no.
Speaker 5: No, but two of them maybe not there, but he had.
Speaker 5: He had a bunch of rushes. But here's the other thing, Pete,
Speaker 5: he also had one of the highest UH pressure percentages.
Speaker 6: I mean, so I think he's gonna be I think
Speaker 6: he's gonna be better in this defense even than he
Speaker 6: was a hero.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 5: My my assessment of him is not just the seventeen
Speaker 5: and a half sacks. Go look at his win rate.
Speaker 5: In his pressure rate. It was one of the best
Speaker 5: in the NFL.
Speaker 4: That's not I think it's going to be even better.
Speaker 4: So yes, to answer the question, I think he is
Speaker 4: a game wrecker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 7: Now the question becomes is does the other guy become
Speaker 7: a game wrecker on the other side.
Speaker 1: Well, he closed the season pretty good, right.
Speaker 4: Well, but he's not.
Speaker 6: I mean again, we the same criticism we had in
Speaker 6: the beginning of last year. We were having at the
Speaker 6: end of last year rushing smack dab into the chest
Speaker 6: to this the offensive tackle and so. But from talking
Speaker 6: to people when I was up there, and you guys
Speaker 6: have watched more practice than me, he's improved in his
Speaker 6: hands and his ability to to bend a little bit
Speaker 6: more and and be better with his past rush.
Speaker 4: And I don't. I haven't. I only was there one
Speaker 4: day and it looked that way. But I'm just the
Speaker 4: people I talked to, they said, that's been accurate.
Speaker 5: Well, and I think you have to look at Trayvond.
Speaker 3: What kind of rusher is he going to be. He's
Speaker 3: a power player, and so if you're looking for the
Speaker 3: really slick like Okay, Miles Garrett, this is I mean,
Speaker 3: I think he's the best pass rusher.
Speaker 5: I think he's the best defensive end in football in
Speaker 5: my opinion right now. And so if I watch Miles Garrett,
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett can power you. He has great hips, he
Speaker 5: can turn the corner, he can dip, he can use
Speaker 5: his hands like he is, He's the best right now.
Speaker 5: If I look at Trayvon Walker, who has a build
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not identical, but it's like a presence
Speaker 5: with length and size and strength and speed. I don't
Speaker 5: know if he ever had I don't know if he
Speaker 5: has the mobility and the movements of the hands and hips.
Speaker 5: Well it's not just the twitch, it's just I mean
Speaker 5: it's just the hips too. Where he's going to be
Speaker 5: that style of rusher what I think he is. I
Speaker 5: think he is developing into that power rusher who gets
Speaker 5: you leaning and they can work the edges because you're
Speaker 5: so afraid of his power.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm trying to figure out who who is like?
Speaker 4: Who is he? Like?
Speaker 6: I mean, like it's hard to because you know, those
Speaker 6: those twitchy, smaller explosive guys you could kind of compare
Speaker 6: guys to, But where where are the big power rushers
Speaker 6: Tony If you think back in history, where are the
Speaker 6: big power How big was Strahan when he played?
Speaker 4: Was he a big power rusher?
Speaker 10: He was?
Speaker 5: I mean he played on the left side, Pete, So
Speaker 5: I mean the only time I ever blocked him was
Speaker 5: in the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: So I I mean you have to ask Sercey that.
Speaker 6: I mean, what about when you guys, but when you
Speaker 6: played against big power rushers that would be compared.
Speaker 3: I'll give you.
Speaker 5: I'll give you an interesting comparable that a lot of
Speaker 5: people don't remember, you do Pete is Sean Jones. Yes,
Speaker 5: Sean Jones was a when I played taller. It was taller,
Speaker 5: not much, not much taller when I played him in
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety five. The first game I played, when we
Speaker 5: played him on Sunday night in Green Bay, he came
Speaker 5: in I think with one hundred and seven hundred and
Speaker 5: eight sacks.
Speaker 3: That's a lot.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: And I remember playing them and it wasn't that you're
Speaker 5: I was never worried about his him beating me athletically.
Speaker 3: Like speed or but he was.
Speaker 4: But he was six seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tray Bond six five sixty six. I mean he's
Speaker 5: he's long. But Sean Jones had power and he could
Speaker 5: lean on you and then if he got you leaning,
Speaker 5: he'd work the rit move or he could you know,
Speaker 5: he could get you off balance. And so that's the
Speaker 5: type of player. You know another you know, this guy's
Speaker 5: a Hall of Famer. But remember Chris Dolman Pete.
Speaker 3: He was a big, powerful, heavy handed, hump move, rit move,
Speaker 3: bull rush type of guy. Again, big bodied, lean on
Speaker 3: you type of guy, dominant, hall of famer.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And so I think that's how trade bon and and
Speaker 5: what in watching him at the end of last year
Speaker 5: and watching him camp so far and just seeing the
Speaker 5: again small sample of work, I think that's where he's going.
Speaker 3: He's so dominant it's to run and he can.
Speaker 5: He's disrupted, he's violent, and I think that he's gonna
Speaker 5: get better and better at rushing the pastor. And I
Speaker 5: think again last year I said they'd have twenty five
Speaker 5: They're gonna have at least twenty five stacks combined.
Speaker 4: Again this year, come on, you gotta go higher.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm okay, I will when it's time before the season,
Speaker 5: I will.
Speaker 4: I will walk sixty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Strandon was not as heavy as we got to
Speaker 1: go to break well back in a moment. We've got
Speaker 1: special teams talk ahead.
Speaker 3: And we've got off season two. Talk to off season.
Speaker 3: We got a whole hour to go we do. What
Speaker 3: are you worried about? I thought it was just an
Speaker 3: hour tonight. No, well, you can leave if you want.
Speaker 3: Pete and I will carry the rest. That'd be the
Speaker 3: best show of the year.
Speaker 4: Usually.
Speaker 3: Hey Pete, Hey Pete. Guess what, At some point here
Speaker 3: in the near future, we're gonna get a show without
Speaker 3: JP that will be the best show in the history
Speaker 3: of the franchise through the roof. Oh my goodness, they
Speaker 3: can't wait for just Pete and nine.
Speaker 4: That will turn the radio off.
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Speaker 4: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's pre season, it doesn't really count it,
Speaker 6: but it was exciting to be able to start off
Speaker 6: as this movie it's brand new and being able to
Speaker 6: be the one.
Speaker 4: Probably one of the first big returns. That was a
Speaker 4: cool moment for.
Speaker 7: Me and just want to continue to propel myself with that.
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Speaker 3: minutes left before the second hour of the program tonight
Speaker 3: when we finished with special teams seventy three yard kickoff
Speaker 3: for turned by Washington, forty five yarder from Tank Bigsby,
Speaker 3: who also had a good night in the running game
Speaker 3: as well, and then the Jaguars scored a safety when
Speaker 3: the kickoff win in the end zone came back out
Speaker 3: and then Mkole Hardman pulled it back in and kneel down.
Speaker 3: They had to review it, and of course the Jaguars
Speaker 3: feels like I have a kicker now, the place kicker,
Speaker 3: the rookie out of Arkansas, Cam Little, has a leg
Speaker 3: on him. He missed the sixty two yarder, who made
Speaker 3: his other three attempts in the game, So Pete's Special
Speaker 3: Team's pretty good day at the office.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that sixty two yarder was long enough.
Speaker 1: Oh, it hit the middle of the net.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: I was on the field when that was kicked, and
Speaker 5: I didn't know how long it was where I was
Speaker 5: sitting at the other end. I'm like, I wonder how
Speaker 5: far this is? And then I saw it go flying
Speaker 5: with velocity into the net and I'm like, wow, it's
Speaker 5: pretty good. I obviously missed it wide left. And when
Speaker 5: I found out that was a sixty two yarder, that's
Speaker 5: good bye. That's good at seventy. Yeah, oh yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean all day long, yep, good at seventy.
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's interesting. And look, if you look
Speaker 7: at it on the surface, you could.
Speaker 6: Sit here and say, well, if if Washington can return
Speaker 6: like that, then you need to spend the money on
Speaker 6: on Dubernay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, do you need two returners?
Speaker 1: You need to kick off now you do.
Speaker 6: Look, I think teams are gonna get to the point
Speaker 6: where they just kicked the ball out of the ends
Speaker 6: and say go ahead and start out of thirty.
Speaker 1: Until they changed the rule to thirty five.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that's what John Payton's point is is like,
Speaker 5: make it to thirty five, then you you are in
Speaker 5: a pickle.
Speaker 1: And they said this is an ongoing process. They could
Speaker 1: change things as it goes.
Speaker 4: It stinks. It's a stupid rule.
Speaker 5: Okay, time out, quick, you got a minute. By the way,
Speaker 5: why do you think it's stupid? Real quick, and I'll
Speaker 5: give you my opinion. I disagree with.
Speaker 6: The ball on a twenty five or thirty yard line
Speaker 6: and play football if you don't.
Speaker 5: If you know, I love it. You need the kick
Speaker 5: to be a play. You got to defend it. It's
Speaker 5: part of the game. And I think the new rule
Speaker 5: is outstanding. I would tweak it and make it go
Speaker 5: to the thirty five if.
Speaker 3: You kick it deep.
Speaker 5: I think it's an exciting play. That's what fans want.
Speaker 5: It's like we're in the entertainment, but it's safe.
Speaker 4: They want it's safer. You know, it's been getting blasted
Speaker 4: the returner.
Speaker 3: I love it. I think it's great. We'll continue this
Speaker 3: discussion and we'll talk about the off season. That was
Speaker 3: that's coming up in the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 10: In just a moment, I did turn the day about
Speaker 10: talking to people.
Speaker 1: See all really the assets where.
Speaker 10: It's the but the potential it's.
Speaker 11: Just unbelievable, and for me, it was about bringing that
Speaker 11: all together. So you know, I'm I'm a deep believer
Speaker 11: and never doubt Jacksonville, and I think a lot more
Speaker 11: people now, you know, even outside the city, now know
Speaker 11: that you know our potential is unlimited.
Speaker 3: Jaguars owners shot con during the game broadcast night on
Speaker 3: the Jaguars Television Network.
Speaker 1: Welcome Back.
Speaker 3: The second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by
Speaker 3: Mister Chubby's Wings before the game, after the game, and
Speaker 3: during the game. JP Shadrick, Tony Boselli from the Miller
Speaker 3: Electric Center, the Hundai Studios and Pete Prisco down in
Speaker 3: South Florida. Your social media questions coming up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Will keep it real as we always do.
Speaker 1: And hey, the Jaguars being real. Yeah, We're gonna keep
Speaker 1: it real.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Check fake until that so fake the first hour
Speaker 3: fake fake news. This hour real coming up. Jaguars are
Speaker 3: the preseason Week one went over the Chiefs. Offensive and
Speaker 3: defensive starters played two drives. The Jags did not turn
Speaker 3: the ball over. Defense logged five sacks and thirteen quarterback
Speaker 3: hits in the game. Special teams impacts were felt all
Speaker 3: night two long kickoff returns and of safety. And now
Speaker 3: it's onto preseason Week two. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers come
Speaker 3: to town joint practices Wednesday and Thursday here at the
Speaker 3: Miller Electric Center. Those tickets are gone, by the way,
Speaker 3: and it's the final open practices of training camp. Starter
Speaker 3: is expected to get most of their work this week
Speaker 3: in those practices against the Bucks.
Speaker 5: So I want to go back to that clip that
Speaker 5: we played, bringing it back with Shod Khan.
Speaker 1: Yes, it gives us a transition to our offseason.
Speaker 3: We talked about offseason.
Speaker 5: Three big thing kind of areas stadium, lock it up
Speaker 5: your guys, and then player acquisition we'll call it draft
Speaker 5: free agency. We'll talk about all that, but start with
Speaker 5: the stadium. You know what hit me watching that? And
Speaker 5: I've heard set talk about this a bunch. How fortunate,
Speaker 5: And Pete, you have a perspective because you're here.
Speaker 3: From the beginning.
Speaker 5: How fortunate we've been as an organization and then also
Speaker 5: as a city to have two great owners and the
Speaker 5: right owners for the right moment like what Wayne Weaver
Speaker 5: and the Weaver family did and leading the way of
Speaker 5: bringing a team to Jacksonville. And he was here when
Speaker 5: that happened. I was obviously brought in afterwards kind of
Speaker 5: the underdog city and to make it an NFL town
Speaker 5: was remarkable and what he did throughout the life of
Speaker 5: his time as the owner. He was a great owner
Speaker 5: and did a great job. And then even in selling
Speaker 5: it to find an owner that was committed to Jacksonville
Speaker 5: because he could Wayne could have done whatever Jacksonville was
Speaker 5: important to him. And selling it to Shad Khan who
Speaker 5: comes in no ties to Jacksonville but literally adopts Jacksonville
Speaker 5: and believes in the potential of this city, not just
Speaker 5: from as an NFL city, but also from downtown and
Speaker 5: infrastructure and investment.
Speaker 3: It's really remarkable because you don't know what you're.
Speaker 5: Gonna get from the owner. I mean, and we were
Speaker 5: fortunate with Wayne. Like I said that he was the
Speaker 5: owner my whole time here. Was great to work with,
Speaker 5: great owner, and then when you transition you sell it.
Speaker 5: You don't know how a guy coming in who has
Speaker 5: no real ties to the city house him and his
Speaker 5: family going to view the city. And what the con family,
Speaker 5: led by Shot have done for this organization and the
Speaker 5: latest of getting the stadium approved this offseason with the
Speaker 5: help of the leadership from the city Council and the
Speaker 5: Mayor's office. Meridgan is tremendous. It's going to change this city.
Speaker 5: It's going to keep this franchise here for thirty plus
Speaker 5: more years. It's gonna, i believe, gonna kick off even
Speaker 5: more development downtown from office to housing, to restaurants to entertainment,
Speaker 5: to hotels, and going to have a state of art
Speaker 5: facility to have all kinds of events, not just NFL
Speaker 5: on Sundays concerts and everything else. I just I sat
Speaker 5: back watching that little clip as just we were coming back,
Speaker 5: and I knew this already, but it hit me in
Speaker 5: Mike boy. I'm glad the franchise that I loved, and
Speaker 5: I had no choice when I came here because that's
Speaker 5: who I drafted me. But have made it my home
Speaker 5: that we've had. We're fortunate to have two great owners
Speaker 5: lead this organization and be part of the leadership of
Speaker 5: the city.
Speaker 6: And the amazing thing about it, Tony is if Wayne
Speaker 6: Weaver had taken the NFL up on its offer to
Speaker 6: be the number one owner in Saint Louis, there might
Speaker 6: not be a franchise in Jacksonville.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: So people don't.
Speaker 6: Realize that they went to Wayne and they said, Wayne,
Speaker 6: we want you, but we want you in Saint Louis
Speaker 6: and he said no, he said, I want Jacksonville.
Speaker 10: Wow.
Speaker 6: And that's how it ended up in Jacksonville. And so
Speaker 6: Wayne was Wayne did a heck of a job. Was
Speaker 6: passionate about that team, passionate about the city. And you're right,
Speaker 6: Sead con has done the same thing for so many years.
Speaker 6: Have we heard the stories about going to London and
Speaker 6: moving to a new city and going here and the
Speaker 6: fans don't back them. And look, guys, I work with
Speaker 6: Jason Lockafour. I've told them, I've argued with him. He
Speaker 6: owes me dinner because of it. We made a bet.
Speaker 6: I said they were never going anywhere, and Sead Cohn
Speaker 6: is committed to keep it that team at Jacksonville. I
Speaker 6: think it's great for the city. It's great that they
Speaker 6: got the They need a new stadium to make that
Speaker 6: thing fresh and new, and I think it's fantastic. But
Speaker 6: you're right, Tony, they need to build it around. They
Speaker 6: need to build up the city around the stadium.
Speaker 4: They have to. It's time.
Speaker 6: I mean downtown Jacksonville, with the river being what it is,
Speaker 6: is so underutilized for what it can be. You know,
Speaker 6: I've always been a big believer that if I if
Speaker 6: I was the mayor of that city, I'd get the
Speaker 6: jail the hell out of there and put it in
Speaker 6: cecil Field. I would make develops down there, bars and restaurants,
Speaker 6: so you can take uber from the beach or wherever
Speaker 6: southside and be stuck downtown.
Speaker 7: But you have options. It's not just one, two, three places.
Speaker 7: You have fifteen of them.
Speaker 6: And then you know, for right now there's nothing to
Speaker 6: do down there. You got to make it a destination.
Speaker 6: I think they will, and I think getting a stadium
Speaker 6: done will help that.
Speaker 1: That's the first time I had heard the Wayne Weaver
Speaker 1: to Saint Louis story. But it's also shod Con story too.
Speaker 3: It d Rockey doesn't take the option on the Rams,
Speaker 3: then shot cons the owner of the Rams in Saint Louis. No,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: We're we are fortunate to have two guys who believed
Speaker 5: in Jacksonville and wanted to make it work here.
Speaker 3: And I love what Sead said.
Speaker 5: He goes, I'm a bleak believer in the future and
Speaker 5: the potential of Jacksonville, like he has been from the beginning.
Speaker 6: And neither one of them were Jacksonville. No I'm telling
Speaker 6: you wasn't a Jacksonville guy either.
Speaker 5: No, we've been fortunate two great owners at the right
Speaker 5: time for the right circumstances. And that goes into the
Speaker 5: second point. I mean, look at what we did this
Speaker 5: offseason with signing Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the two that happened in the offseason.
Speaker 5: First, Trevor Lawrence and Josh Heinz Allen two blockbuster deals
Speaker 5: and basically said and like that takes a it's yes,
Speaker 5: salary cap and yes, I'm not I mean, the owners
Speaker 5: make a ton of money in the TV deal and
Speaker 5: there's a lot of money and everything else. However, and
Speaker 5: Pete knows this, and I know JP knows this too.
Speaker 5: Not all owners are created equal when it comes to
Speaker 5: cash out lay guaranteed and what and how what you
Speaker 5: can do. And the commitment from Shod Cohn and the
Speaker 5: con family to invest in Trevor Lawrence and Josh Eines
Speaker 5: Allen is big time. And that's like, you got to
Speaker 5: sign up your stars. It's important for the organization, it's
Speaker 5: important for the fan base, so they have guys that
Speaker 5: can follow and fall in love with. And then it
Speaker 5: can't bring in Tyson Campbell and and locking him up
Speaker 5: to a good deal for both sides. And I just
Speaker 5: thought that.
Speaker 3: Was so important this offseason. And for a while, I
Speaker 3: didn't know if it was gonna get done.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I wish we could have got
Speaker 5: the Josh Eines Allen done deal a little bit earlier.
Speaker 5: Maybe that'd give him some freedom what we did with
Speaker 5: other people, But so be it. It didn't happen for
Speaker 5: whatever reason. But getting that done and with UH, with
Speaker 5: Trent as part of the process lead the way and
Speaker 5: the front office and working with Shod and working with
Speaker 5: Doug and everyone working together to get those two deals
Speaker 5: done are huge. And then and Tyson Campbell as well.
Speaker 5: That's that's you got to have those players.
Speaker 6: And here's the other thing, Tony, you mentioned the cash
Speaker 6: part of it. Look, Shod Cohn is one of the
Speaker 6: wealthiest owners of the NFL. He can write checks for cash,
Speaker 6: you know he can. But here's the difference between a
Speaker 6: lot of the other wealthy owners like we Stan Cronky
Speaker 6: as example. Kronky has the revenue stream of Los Angeles
Speaker 6: in that stadium. There's a big difference the money that
Speaker 6: comes into a franchise in a city like LA with
Speaker 6: that stadium compared to what's coming in from this city
Speaker 6: of Jacksonville is different, and that makes it more of
Speaker 6: a challenge to come off the hip for the cash
Speaker 6: for a guy like shod Cohn. So yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 6: you had to do it. You have to lock up
Speaker 6: your franchise quarterback, so sooner rather than later. We know
Speaker 6: this thing's gonna keep going up. You have an edge
Speaker 6: rusher who's coming off an unreal season, he's in his prime.
Speaker 6: You had to do it. Then we get to the
Speaker 6: other one. That one is more based on what he can.
Speaker 4: Do Tyson Campbell than what he's done.
Speaker 6: I think there's speculating a little bit more on that
Speaker 6: one than on the other two.
Speaker 3: Now Devil's advocate on that, Pete, Could you argue that
Speaker 3: with the quarterback.
Speaker 7: Too, No, No, if you go back and look at
Speaker 7: the quarterbacks games in the last year and a half
Speaker 7: year over the course of two seasons when he was healthy,
Speaker 7: if you add those numbers up, no.
Speaker 3: And I also think you look at the quarterback differently.
Speaker 5: The question you have to ask yourself, can we envision
Speaker 5: this guy leading us to his championship? And unequivocal yes,
Speaker 5: with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 6: Well, here's the other thing about about the Campbell and
Speaker 6: and the Hinds Allen signings. They're getting what top five
Speaker 6: money at the position both of them.
Speaker 3: Is Tyson Campbell top five?
Speaker 4: Pete, I wasn't thinking.
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure that I believe Josh is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's close. But if he if he
Speaker 4: if he's if he's one of.
Speaker 6: The top five paid corners, he's certainly not one of
Speaker 6: the top five corners in the league.
Speaker 3: No, not at this point.
Speaker 5: The way I looked at it and looked at the
Speaker 5: structure of the deal, and I just full disclosure. It's
Speaker 5: not like I spent a bunch of time on this comparing,
Speaker 5: you know, his deal to other corners. But the sense
Speaker 5: I got Pete it was I thought it was a
Speaker 5: smart move. If you believe that he is a he's
Speaker 5: your number one corner and it can be that for
Speaker 5: a while, especially in the style of defense that Ryan
Speaker 5: Nielsen wants to play, because that's a premium position and
Speaker 5: he's he's not going to get any cheaper.
Speaker 3: When he's a free agent, and you know that if
Speaker 3: if you.
Speaker 6: Get to the third year of that deal, and they'll
Speaker 6: tear it up because he's his cap figure is twenty
Speaker 6: three to nine, twenty four to eight in those you know,
Speaker 6: so it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, because you know this beat, if they will
Speaker 3: let him get the free agency, let's just say he's
Speaker 3: the top ten corner somebody's gonna pay him a bunch
Speaker 3: of money because that's a premium position. Tyson Campbell.
Speaker 1: Now the uh let's see one, two, three, four, seventh
Speaker 1: highest paid average per year?
Speaker 3: Yeah, corner.
Speaker 4: Is he the seventh best cornerback in the league? So
Speaker 4: as of right now, he's not.
Speaker 3: No, he's not.
Speaker 5: But Trevor is one of the top five highest paid quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: And if you asked anyone, is he one of the
Speaker 5: top five quarterbacks? No, but that you can't.
Speaker 4: I think that the point earlier quarterbacks a different position.
Speaker 4: When I.
Speaker 5: Agree with that, however, I also think it's smart that
Speaker 5: you have to be looking forward because you can't put
Speaker 5: yourself in a position as an organization what happened with
Speaker 5: Josh heinz Allen last year, where you are now at
Speaker 5: the mercy of either a franchise tag or negotiating against
Speaker 5: the rest of the league to try to keep your guys.
Speaker 5: If you believe and obviously Trent Doug and the powers
Speaker 5: that be believe that Tyson Campbell is your number one
Speaker 5: corner and can be that for the long term, and
Speaker 5: that he fits how you want to play football and
Speaker 5: play defense. If that's the case, I'm okay paying a
Speaker 5: little bit more earlier because that number is going to
Speaker 5: grow and next year, guess what he'll be about the
Speaker 5: twelfth highest paid corner in the league.
Speaker 4: Well, he has to be a top ten corner this year,
Speaker 4: though you would agree.
Speaker 5: With that, Yeah, I mean that's what that's what you're projecting.
Speaker 4: Top ten.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what you're projecting, no doubt about it. But
Speaker 5: you know this works. You could be a top five,
Speaker 5: top seven paid player, whatever the metric is.
Speaker 3: The next year, you're not gonna be. That doesn't last long.
Speaker 5: It does because the caps only going up and guys
Speaker 5: are only gonna get paid more money. And it's only
Speaker 5: it's gonna if they go to eighteen games, it's gonna
Speaker 5: increase even more.
Speaker 6: And so of the three, that one was a little
Speaker 6: the more most eye opening of the three deal.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it was eye opening, Pete.
Speaker 5: It did catch me by surprise that they were that
Speaker 5: proactive thinking ahead, and I liked it though. I thought
Speaker 5: it was a good move by Trent, and I thought
Speaker 5: they did a good job getting him locked up because
Speaker 5: I do think.
Speaker 3: He's a he's a he's a top half quarter in
Speaker 3: this league.
Speaker 4: He's paid like a top top corner.
Speaker 3: So he's paid like a top No think about this.
Speaker 3: Be hold on a.
Speaker 6: Top half corner makes you you know what, thirty two
Speaker 6: better than thirty two in your top half quarner.
Speaker 5: No, I said when I was saying, he's a top sixteen,
Speaker 5: top half number one corn so I got a thirty
Speaker 5: two teams, I think you would say he's one of
Speaker 5: the top sixteen corners in this league.
Speaker 3: What is that face? Look at that thing?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, seriously, I don't know if he's he's
Speaker 6: ten to fifteen.
Speaker 5: Well a year ago, before last year, he was one
Speaker 5: of the highest rate PFF corners in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Is still.
Speaker 4: You're good?
Speaker 3: I was hoping you guys wouldn't. I was actually hoping
Speaker 3: you wouldn't catch that. I use it.
Speaker 1: What does the world come to?
Speaker 3: I was hold that would slide by on the download man.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, I got caught by the way.
Speaker 1: Ten to fifteen is still top sixteen, Pete.
Speaker 6: No, you think he's a ten to fifteen of the
Speaker 6: number one corners in the league.
Speaker 4: Problem?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do. I do.
Speaker 4: But here's the problem. Some teams have two that are
Speaker 4: better than eh.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: We've got plenty ahead. We haven't even touched play calling.
Speaker 3: Well, we're not going to get to that. We're talking.
Speaker 5: I want to talk free agency and draft real quick,
Speaker 5: because I think that was like listen, we have not
Speaker 5: talked about it. I'd love Pete's opinion because they went
Speaker 5: I'll say this on the free agency side, they went
Speaker 5: with older guys and there's risk in that.
Speaker 3: Now they got good players.
Speaker 5: Mitch Morris good player, ten year guy, Eric Armstead good player,
Speaker 5: ten year guy coming off injuries, Darby older player. I
Speaker 5: mean they went after older guys. Now Kave Davis is
Speaker 5: a fifth year guy.
Speaker 1: But they're all from winning organizations too.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that, but I don't know if you
Speaker 5: know this, uh JP, Old guys usually don't get healthier, stronger,
Speaker 5: and faster.
Speaker 4: It's a young man.
Speaker 3: I'm not being don't take this as critical of any
Speaker 3: of those guys, because they're all really good players, and
Speaker 3: if they are healthy. They make this team better, and
Speaker 3: so I understand why, but it's not without some risk.
Speaker 4: Not so questions are what do they have left? I mean,
Speaker 4: I'll be honest.
Speaker 6: I was in Buffalo last week and I asked about
Speaker 6: Morse and they liked him.
Speaker 4: They liked him around. He's a great guy to have
Speaker 4: in the building.
Speaker 6: But you know, some people were wondering how much does
Speaker 6: he have left and how much will he be committed
Speaker 6: to it for past past a couple of years. I mean,
Speaker 6: that's that's the issue. When you signed guys like that.
Speaker 1: A couple of years, two years.
Speaker 4: Tony's right, ten years is that's a long time in
Speaker 4: the NFL. You No.
Speaker 3: My only point is I'm less worried about Mitch Morris
Speaker 3: because if you look at his career, there's no there's
Speaker 3: no like glaring injury history. He had concussions at one point,
Speaker 3: he did, but he's been consistent on the field the
Speaker 3: last several years. Pete, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: He's a good and he's a good player.
Speaker 6: But by the way, it's like somebody told me once, wait,
Speaker 6: long time ago, they wanted to get rid of Tebow
Speaker 6: and Denver, and the only way they could get rid
Speaker 6: of him was to sign Peyton Man. They didn't care
Speaker 6: if he was healthy or not. It got him out
Speaker 6: of there. Well, you know what, you got to get
Speaker 6: somebody in there to get rid of Luke Fordner in
Speaker 6: the middle of that line to become an effective offense.
Speaker 4: They got somebody. So if if it's for a year
Speaker 4: or two, they did the right thing.
Speaker 5: And okay, but I'm just looking. I mean, you look
Speaker 5: at like Eric Armstead. I think Air Armstead healthy is
Speaker 5: one of the better three techniques in this league.
Speaker 3: And he's long, and he's.
Speaker 5: A very good pass rusher. He's played on winning teams.
Speaker 5: He's a physical force. But he's also a ten year
Speaker 5: guy coming off of a surgery.
Speaker 4: And he hasn't practiced yet.
Speaker 5: Right, And I'm not like I'm a believer in Eric Armstead.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, when you take that path, that strategy
Speaker 5: where we're gonna go get veteran guys, older guys winning
Speaker 5: organizations because we want to change the locker room, we
Speaker 5: want to change the mentality, we want that winning culture.
Speaker 5: Those are all positives. I raised my hand, I'm in
Speaker 5: and guess what, A lot of times that works. But
Speaker 5: there's risk with that and if you look at what
Speaker 5: we did up front, besides that, especially in the offensive line,
Speaker 5: we didn't do much else. Now, on the defensive line,
Speaker 5: they did go in the draft and got Mason Smith
Speaker 5: and they made some other moves. But that's the one
Speaker 5: thing that it will be interesting Like that would be
Speaker 5: my only criticism of the offseason.
Speaker 3: We gotta come back.
Speaker 4: We'll say this, I know you gotta break j one
Speaker 4: quick thing.
Speaker 6: One of those off young offensive lineman caught my eye
Speaker 6: on tape the other day.
Speaker 5: By the way, was it the guy who played right
Speaker 5: guard then left guard?
Speaker 4: Yes, yep, that guy needs to play.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, well, let's come back to the
Speaker 5: offensive line because I'm with you, Pete.
Speaker 3: But where do you play him and whose job does
Speaker 3: he take?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna keep it real when we come back.
Speaker 3: That might be a good keep it real. I think
Speaker 3: it's great and I want to make sure before we
Speaker 3: go to break.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm not being critical of Eric Armistead, Mitch Morris
Speaker 5: or their signings at all. They're starting caliber. They make
Speaker 5: you better. My only point is when you sign ten
Speaker 5: year guys that have history like that's always a concern.
Speaker 3: Now being critical that means they're trying. Pete, Pete, do
Speaker 3: you disagree with me?
Speaker 4: I'm not being I agree with you, but we're being critical.
Speaker 3: We're making it okay.
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Speaker 3: from the Miller Electric Center, the Hyundai's Studios Pee Prisco
Speaker 3: down in South Florida. Time for Keeping It Real presented
Speaker 3: by Well it's available this year. We've got a couple
Speaker 3: of topics tonight. We started with the offensive line, as
Speaker 3: Tony referenced earlier, and we got our first look at
Speaker 3: guys in the game and the most offensive snaps. For
Speaker 3: the offensive line, cole Van Lannon and Cooper Hodges each
Speaker 3: played forty nine snaps in the game eighty four percent
Speaker 3: of the offensive snaps. Luke Fordner got thirty four snaps,
Speaker 3: fifty nine percent, Walker Little, who started at right tackle,
Speaker 3: played thirty snaps in the game. Javon Foster, the addition
Speaker 3: from Missouri in the draft, forty eight percent, and Shatley
Speaker 3: got a bunch of snaps at guard. The starters Robinson
Speaker 3: Morrison Sheriff each had nine snaps and left the game,
Speaker 3: And of course Anton Harrison out with a concussion, and
Speaker 3: left guard Ezra Cleveland did not play in the game.
Speaker 3: So you guys referenced a player who played right guard
Speaker 3: and left guard in the game.
Speaker 5: Well, based on what you just said, Cooper Hodges, I
Speaker 5: was impressed, and you know he fought that he got hurt.
Speaker 3: Last year.
Speaker 5: He had a good camp till he got hurt. This
Speaker 5: camp he had I think he had something to bother
Speaker 5: him early.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was ever a discloser, but there's.
Speaker 5: Something he felt like and I remember watching some limitations
Speaker 5: or something he played during camp. He's played center, He's
Speaker 5: played guard a lot of center. That's what Jeff's told me.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen as many practices he has, and so
Speaker 5: I was really interested to see what he did when
Speaker 5: he came into the game because.
Speaker 3: He is a big, powerful man.
Speaker 5: Like he is strong, and I think one of the
Speaker 5: criticisms that I had last year of this team was
Speaker 5: that we struggled to move the ball, moved the line
Speaker 5: of scrimmage, control line scrimmage, third and one, third and
Speaker 5: two fourth and one goal line situations, played a lot
Speaker 5: of two point stance, and we didn't really displace the.
Speaker 3: Defensive line very often. Watching Hodges, he moves people. He
Speaker 3: is physical. He's a big, strong man, and if it continues,
Speaker 3: I think you got to find a way to get
Speaker 3: him on the field. Now it's one preseason game. We'll
Speaker 3: see what he does during Uh. He's really a rookie
Speaker 3: if you think about it, because he's not played any
Speaker 3: NFL games. It would be interesting to see how he
Speaker 3: matches up against the Bucks and these two practices. He's
Speaker 3: going to get a lot of reps because I don't
Speaker 3: think the starters are going to play much in the game,
Speaker 3: so that means he's going to play a lot. But
Speaker 3: early indications very positive, and that's what you need to do.
Speaker 3: I mean the mid mid round.
Speaker 5: Pick small school, smaller school, we'll play tackle in college.
Speaker 3: You bring him in.
Speaker 5: He's a guard and he has a physicality that can
Speaker 5: help you win football games. And I thought he played well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought he was really physical playing right and
Speaker 6: he looked more comfortable on the right side. Tony, I thought,
Speaker 6: I thought he looked much more comfortable on the right side,
Speaker 6: really got into people, moved him in the run game,
Speaker 6: got off his blocks, and got to the second level,
Speaker 6: which again sometimes when you're a big, powerful guy, that's
Speaker 6: not necessarily.
Speaker 7: A strength of yours, and you know they want to
Speaker 7: do a lot of that. So I was impressed.
Speaker 6: And look, if he continues to play like that, dare
Speaker 6: we say it that maybe he's a starter?
Speaker 3: So who do you bench?
Speaker 4: I know where I would I play the right guard.
Speaker 5: Paying a lot of money for your right guard Pete
Speaker 5: to have him as a backup.
Speaker 6: Okay, but you you said something before that I thought
Speaker 6: was very telling about.
Speaker 4: The right guard isn't as physical as he used to be.
Speaker 3: No, I mean he's he's played a lot of football,
Speaker 3: tenth to your player, a lot of football. He doesn't.
Speaker 3: He's not, he's not. He's on another team.
Speaker 4: He signed him to a deal next year.
Speaker 3: I mean, like if I want, if I.
Speaker 4: If I you guys didn't laugh at that one.
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I'm talking about I'm trying to be nice
Speaker 3: Pete and not engage in your ridiculous comments. But I mean,
Speaker 3: if you if you look at Brandon Sheriff, he is
Speaker 3: a veteran leader, really smart football player. He's a pros pro.
Speaker 3: I think he's still very good. What I still think
Speaker 3: he is a good past, good pass blocker. He's not
Speaker 3: he's gonna never gonna be in the wrong position. He's
Speaker 3: not gonna have missed assignments. But the but he's not
Speaker 3: gonna he's not a road grader. He doesn't have the
Speaker 3: legs that he once did. He's not gonna you know,
Speaker 3: move people like a younger. Like as not his game anymore.
Speaker 3: And but he's still a good football player. So I mean,
Speaker 3: and they signed Ezra Cleveland offseason paid him some money
Speaker 3: to be a starter as well.
Speaker 5: There's only spots, only two guards.
Speaker 6: But don't you think, don't you think Hodges look better
Speaker 6: on the right side than he did in the left though.
Speaker 5: I'd have to I'd have to watch it closer. Pete,
Speaker 5: I didn't jump, that didn't jump out at me.
Speaker 4: Watch it, watch it, you'll see.
Speaker 3: But I thought what.
Speaker 5: Jumped out of what jumped out at me is his physicality,
Speaker 5: No doubt, that's what jumped out at me.
Speaker 3: So now it's early, small sample size.
Speaker 4: Listen, that wasn't exactly playing Chris Jones either.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, he was not.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, like, how does he handle a elite
Speaker 5: like we know that Brandon Sheriff against elite three techniques
Speaker 5: can manage the situation, and it's savvy enough to figure
Speaker 5: out how to you know, play against a guy like
Speaker 5: that just because of his instincts, his knowledge, his you
Speaker 5: know everything about him, and he's athletic.
Speaker 6: But but but on the surface, looking at the two
Speaker 6: and the way their style of play is, if you
Speaker 6: want to be a better running team, which they want
Speaker 6: to be, he would seem to be more apt to
Speaker 6: be that guy that would amp up the run game.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that. I just don't.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're gonna have had like this, By the way,
Speaker 5: this is what you want. This is how this is
Speaker 5: a good sign that you're a good team. Like you
Speaker 5: want hard decisions like that to be in front of you. Like,
Speaker 5: we have multiple guys that we think are starters. How
Speaker 5: do we organize this and who who? What gives us
Speaker 5: the best opportunity to play the style football that we
Speaker 5: want to play.
Speaker 4: What'd you think of the left tackle? The starter?
Speaker 3: Small? I mean yeah, fine?
Speaker 4: Just what did you think of Walker Little at right tackle?
Speaker 3: Same thing? Fine? I mean I thought it was fine. No,
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 5: Wasn't jumping out of my chair going that was amazing.
Speaker 5: But there was nothing that you watch it like, oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, we're in trouble. I mean no, So I
Speaker 5: mean you always gotta be careful, I think with the
Speaker 5: veterans sometimes in these early preseason games. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: how much Like how much juice did Cam really go
Speaker 5: out there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? When it gets real, he always has he has
Speaker 3: the juice.
Speaker 6: Okay, but Tony, you played the preseason sometimes that if
Speaker 6: you didn't, If you didn't, you didn't have the same juice,
Speaker 6: but when you lined up, you're playing.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna let somebody beat you either.
Speaker 5: No new So that's why I hated preseason, because you
Speaker 5: go in there with not as much juice. You're trying
Speaker 5: to just you know, if I'm being honest, there's times
Speaker 5: I'm like, you're counting the plays to get through the
Speaker 5: quarter or the half or whatever, because you know you're
Speaker 5: not it's not about winning or losing per se. I mean, overall,
Speaker 5: you want to win the game, but you're not going
Speaker 5: to be in it to impact it. And so really
Speaker 5: you're going out there to try to get good work,
Speaker 5: put good film on it on tape, I mean, put
Speaker 5: good work on film and uh. And the other thing
Speaker 5: is I didn't want to be embarrassed because I knew
Speaker 5: I was gonna have to watch it with Mike Maser
Speaker 5: the next day. I had no desire to have my
Speaker 5: you know what ripped. And then there's just professional pride.
Speaker 5: You're stepping on the field and you know that the
Speaker 5: other thirty one teams are gonna see this. But it's harder.
Speaker 5: I mean, if I'm being honest, Pete, it was harder.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, as a veteran, I didn't like, I'm like,
Speaker 5: my goodness, like we're gonna go out there, especially if
Speaker 5: like you're playing some young guy who's trying to do
Speaker 5: something impressive. I'm like, listen, I'm just trying to get
Speaker 5: my work in like.
Speaker 1: He's trying to do. To the preseason.
Speaker 3: I'm like, come on, you know, and I'll tell Pete.
Speaker 5: I'll tell a story my second year, and I'll be
Speaker 5: quick because I know we're playing the Rams in the
Speaker 5: preseason and uh, Leslie O'Neill is the right end in
Speaker 5: the preseason, and you know, growing up in the NFC West,
Speaker 5: he was at San Diego Charger, forever Pro Bowl player,
Speaker 5: All Proague, one of the best, I mean, really good
Speaker 5: right end, top right end.
Speaker 3: And I remember going to the game.
Speaker 5: I was like, I was a little anxious and nervous, like, hey,
Speaker 5: I got I got a good player, and I went
Speaker 5: and just wore him out the preseason. I mean, I
Speaker 5: was like, come on, what's going on here? We played
Speaker 5: him six weeks seven weeks later in the regular season,
Speaker 5: and I'll remember, never forget the first series.
Speaker 3: It was a different dude. I walked to the sideline,
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, uh, this is a different guy I'm
Speaker 3: playing because you know, I went into the game like
Speaker 3: I know this guy feel good. I mean, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a problem.
Speaker 5: And it was a It was a fistfight for sixty
Speaker 5: minutes against Leslie O'Neill because he dial it up. It
Speaker 5: was a different pace and everything else, which I should
Speaker 5: have known. It was my second year. But as a
Speaker 5: veteran guy, you gotta.
Speaker 3: Be careful not to.
Speaker 5: Take it too easy or too lacks of days ago.
Speaker 5: You have to bring enough energy because one, it's a
Speaker 5: dangerous game. You don't want to get hurt. You don't
Speaker 5: want to get someone else hurt, and you don't want
Speaker 5: to look like a fool on the field. So but
Speaker 5: that's a long way of saying Cam, like was it great?
Speaker 3: Was it bad? It's like, Okay, he went out, got
Speaker 3: some working nine.
Speaker 4: Give me the five starting line offensive lineman on a.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be right now.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say Cam left, Ezra left guard, Mitch center,
Speaker 5: Brandon right guard, and Anton Harrison right tackle.
Speaker 4: Okay, give me the starting lineup six weeks in fete.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not going down that path, you.
Speaker 6: Know, because we've heard all about Cooper Hodges and so
Speaker 6: I was like a little you know, sometimes you hear this.
Speaker 5: Oh, I was so tired of Jeff Logman. It has
Speaker 5: a man crush on Cooper Hodges.
Speaker 4: When I was there, he was talking about I'm like, Jeff,
Speaker 4: stop here. And then when I watched the tape, I
Speaker 4: went yeah, And.
Speaker 5: I hate I hate admitting that Logman's right about anything,
Speaker 5: but he was dead on on that one.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 3: I was like, he was credit.
Speaker 4: Carries over at some point, he's got to get on
Speaker 4: the field.
Speaker 3: Well he plays like that.
Speaker 1: Pete.
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Speaker 1: After preseason Week one.
Speaker 3: Jaguars went over the chief Sits onto Week two, the
Speaker 3: Buccaneers come to town for Wednesday Thursday joint practices, then
Speaker 3: the game Saturday night at the Bank. The Buccaneers and
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Speaker 3: oh yeah, Pete Prisco's here too. He's done in South Florida.
Speaker 6: By the way, by the way real quick before this.
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Speaker 1: You have the floor, Pete, But okay, but no, don't
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Speaker 3: Don't bring it up.
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Speaker 5: Oh, it's not sponsored yet. I didn't pay.
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Speaker 3: I did not. You listen. I don't listen to.
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Speaker 3: First of all, Heinz Walker does not exist on the planet.
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't play with it either.
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Speaker 1: I had sea paying Tony. It's hard. You and Peter
Speaker 1: are the same species.
Speaker 4: We're not.
Speaker 3: I'm a grown man and Pete is a little person.
Speaker 4: I'm a short person, but I'm not a little person.
Speaker 4: I'm a short person.
Speaker 5: Oh, I was trying to Now, I was trying to.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say short because you used to be
Speaker 5: short and wide. Now you're just short and little.
Speaker 4: Well, you used to be tall and wide.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough. There's a little height discrepancy there.
Speaker 3: Seth pain of course. Former Jaguars defensive tackle now a
Speaker 3: radio host down in Houston. Pete, how much weight have
Speaker 3: you lost?
Speaker 4: About forty something?
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. Do you want to lose any more?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Close?
Speaker 6: It depends what the doctor says. If he says yes,
Speaker 6: then I'll go. If he says no, I won't. Okay,
Speaker 6: I got appointment in two weeks.
Speaker 3: You keep tracking. You might want to start keeping track
Speaker 3: too for yourself.
Speaker 1: So cruel, I'm not what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Man? All of a sudden, the first I'm in a decade,
Speaker 3: you're a skinny guy, and now you're it's two judge,
Speaker 3: it's actually like three deersonal attacks. It's been I was
Speaker 3: skinny last year. I haven't lost that much a way
Speaker 3: from last year.
Speaker 1: Yes you have, I have not.
Speaker 6: P It's a shame. It's a shame we didn't get
Speaker 6: to take the picture this year. Then we could have
Speaker 6: seen how.
Speaker 3: Speedy in that picture last year, I weighed probably two
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty two.
Speaker 1: And for those just joining us, I put the picture
Speaker 1: from last year of us three together.
Speaker 3: I can't x today and I.
Speaker 4: And im and I'm smaller than that and that pic
Speaker 4: that wasn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was probably to fifty two there and I'm
Speaker 3: two forty two to forty five now, I mean I'm
Speaker 3: smaller than that too, for the record, Now you're not
Speaker 3: not really. Next question at Jinja Ninja five eight, did
Speaker 3: the Jags do enough on the O line? How much
Speaker 3: of the run game struggles is personnel versus scheme?
Speaker 5: Well, listen, I mean Pete and I are both the
Speaker 5: same on this one where it's about Jimmy's and Joe's,
Speaker 5: not x's and O's. And obviously coach he's important and
Speaker 5: technique is important. I think Phil Roush is a very
Speaker 5: good offensive line coach. And so now, do I think
Speaker 5: they needed to be put their hand in the dirt
Speaker 5: a little bit more than they did last year? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean I've said that's the phil I mean, but
Speaker 5: they had a philosophy of that what they were trying
Speaker 5: to do offensively and what they thought they could do great.
Speaker 5: I think they change it this year. They could be
Speaker 5: more hand in the ground. So if you want to
Speaker 5: call that, you know, technique or philosophy or scheme.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 5: But if you look at what they did, I mean,
Speaker 5: let's call it what it is. They felt like they're
Speaker 5: good enough upfront except for the center, because they're rolling
Speaker 5: out the same offensive line outside of the center, and
Speaker 5: so they basically said.
Speaker 4: We were stood straight up last year. This guy does it.
Speaker 4: That's the difference.
Speaker 5: Pete, Like, I think we agree, but that I mean,
Speaker 5: I think the organization agrees. I mean, all you can
Speaker 5: do is judge it by what they did this offseason,
Speaker 5: and they basically said our room is good enough as is,
Speaker 5: except for the center, and we're going to bring in
Speaker 5: a veteran center to fill that hole. And at the
Speaker 5: same time developed some of these younger guys like Cooper
Speaker 5: Hodges and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: You always got to be doing that.
Speaker 5: But as far as coming out of the last game
Speaker 5: last year, and they evaluated the offseason, and they evaluated
Speaker 5: personnel between Trent and Doug, and in this case, I'm
Speaker 5: sure Phil Rauscher, the offensive line coach, had a voice
Speaker 5: and they looked at their room and said, we just
Speaker 5: need to upgrade the center and we are good enough
Speaker 5: to win and win a championship, because that's the goal.
Speaker 1: I mean, the goal is to win and win.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I'm pretty I didn't hear it, but I've heard
Speaker 5: people tell me on the broadcast. Our owner shot con
Speaker 5: was pretty clear on the broadcast like we're here to
Speaker 5: win now. I mean, I didn't hear the whole thing,
Speaker 5: but that's what I was told by people who did listen.
Speaker 5: I'm sure you heard it, JP kright, you did not, Okay, Stad,
Speaker 5: That's right, you were in the stadium. But I think
Speaker 5: the emphasis is like we're going to win now, and
Speaker 5: they felt like the only change they needed to make
Speaker 5: to do that is change the center out. So it's
Speaker 5: the same group with a new center. And do I
Speaker 5: think it's another that.
Speaker 4: Might have a new right guard right now?
Speaker 5: It's the same group with a new center. And do
Speaker 5: I think Mitch Morris is a better center than Luke Fordner?
Speaker 5: I do? Do I think he makes them better? I do?
Speaker 5: Do I think they'll be better in the run game
Speaker 5: and in past game and protection because of him.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 4: And Plus you got to assume the growth of Harrison
Speaker 4: at right tackle.
Speaker 3: M hm, well, that's the only young player you're expecting
Speaker 3: to get better.
Speaker 4: Well, the growth of Cooper Hodge is at right guard.
Speaker 5: As I said, going in now, obviously they believe in
Speaker 5: Cooper Hodges and and I do too, especially after what
Speaker 5: I saw.
Speaker 4: Guy. He's more of an athletic guy. You can get moved,
Speaker 4: and he is that.
Speaker 3: He is good at the next level. He's athletic, but
Speaker 3: there's an Ezra has a little nastiness to him. He's
Speaker 3: a he's a tough But that's the bet they made
Speaker 3: in the offseason.
Speaker 4: Just I think they'll be better, just because the center's
Speaker 4: not in there too.
Speaker 1: Next question at Tartan Teal buzzing that the show is Backfellas,
Speaker 1: which second year guy are you expecting to make the
Speaker 1: biggest jump this season? You mentioned a few second year guys.
Speaker 1: Who makes the biggest jump of year two players?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna We've talked enough about Cooper Hodges and I
Speaker 5: don't know if he's gonna be a starter, so set
Speaker 5: him aside.
Speaker 3: Offensively, I'm gonna go with Tank big By.
Speaker 1: He looked good at the other season.
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna make the biggest jump uh.
Speaker 3: And I think they are gonna you know, we heard
Speaker 3: a lot about in the offseas about on boarding a
Speaker 3: players and so on and so forth. I think they
Speaker 3: have a plan and they're gonna stick to it with Tank,
Speaker 3: and I think he's gonna be a big part of uh,
Speaker 3: of the offense.
Speaker 5: I think he'll make a huge jump. And then I
Speaker 5: think defensively, it's gonna be Antonio Johnson.
Speaker 6: When you looked at Bigsby was much more decisive the
Speaker 6: other night. You remember Tony last year and we were critical
Speaker 6: of them the times when he tried to bounce yep off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was really good, Pete and I Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you this, if the turf Monster doesn't
Speaker 3: get him, takes that touchdown, take the kickoff for a touchdown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep. Yeah, he's more decisive.
Speaker 3: He's looked great in camp, and he looked good on
Speaker 3: Saturday Night. So those are the two guys i'd go with.
Speaker 6: I would agree with you on both of them.
Speaker 3: Easy enough. Final question at dealing Underscore, you're non tan
Speaker 3: Josh heinz Awen and Trayvon Walker combined for thirty plus
Speaker 3: sex last year, Tony, you said twenty five and they
Speaker 3: were over that, what twenty seven and a half? Right
Speaker 3: at twenty seven and a half, they led the league
Speaker 3: as a duo. As a duo, would you dare go
Speaker 3: thirty plus? I'm not going to go thirty plus? Why not?
Speaker 3: Because I've just that's.
Speaker 4: It because I but you know, it's funny.
Speaker 6: Tony said twenty five last year, and I laughed at
Speaker 6: him and I said, if they get twenty.
Speaker 4: Five, they're gonna be in the super Bowl. Well, they
Speaker 4: got twenty five and they weren't close to him.
Speaker 3: They didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yea, So if okay, because Josh Allen's Heinz Allen's
Speaker 6: probably not getting his seventeen and a half. His has
Speaker 6: probably come down a little bit, and Trayvon Walkers might
Speaker 6: go up a little bit, not significantly. So I'm with Tony.
Speaker 6: I don't think they get the thirty. I think they're
Speaker 6: like between twenty five and thirty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tend to agree with you, Pete.
Speaker 5: Here's the wild card though, because they had twenty seven
Speaker 5: and a half between the two of them, they only
Speaker 5: had forty as a team, So I mean, he's only
Speaker 5: twelve and a half game from everyone else. That's their
Speaker 5: other sources that they didn't This is where I think
Speaker 5: they could hit even bigger numbers than twenty five. Eric
Speaker 5: Armstad's healthy because he's gonna push the pocket and that's
Speaker 5: gonna lead the sacks by the outside guys. And another
Speaker 5: guy we have not talked about, but I've been impressed
Speaker 5: with what I've seen so far in camp is is
Speaker 5: Mason Smith.
Speaker 4: I love him. He is I love them.
Speaker 3: He is coming out violent and physical and long.
Speaker 4: And held up against the double team the other day
Speaker 4: pretty well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like, so like, oh now, it's a lot.
Speaker 5: I'm not putting a number on what he'll do, because
Speaker 5: that's a lot for a rookie. But I do think
Speaker 5: he's going to be disruptive in the middle and can
Speaker 5: add push and the way the rush lurks. If you
Speaker 5: can push the middle, makes it a lot easier for
Speaker 5: those guys on the outside to get home.
Speaker 6: Tony, he was a giant recruit, was really on the
Speaker 6: verge of stardom and tore up that knee. Came back
Speaker 6: last year, and the early tape when I watched it
Speaker 6: wasn't very good. But by the end of the season
Speaker 6: he started to look like himself again. I think that
Speaker 6: kid has all the ability to be a star inside player.
Speaker 4: I really do. He's just got the size.
Speaker 3: He's violent.
Speaker 5: He's violent, Yes, he's strong, physical, which brings me to.
Speaker 4: This part of that love it. Why was ninety five
Speaker 4: in the game late in the fourth quarter?
Speaker 1: Is Roy Robertson Harris.
Speaker 5: We talked to Jeff and I were looking at each other.
Speaker 5: I've heard, so what I'm about to say is my speculation.
Speaker 5: I've heard nothing from anybody, but being around this league
Speaker 5: a long time. When your former starting three technique, who
Speaker 5: I believe they re signed redid his deal in the offseason,
Speaker 5: so that tells you, yeah, they believe he's a foundational piece,
Speaker 5: at least for this year.
Speaker 3: When he is playing late.
Speaker 5: In the third, maybe into the fourth of I'm not
Speaker 5: mistaken in.
Speaker 1: Okay, eighteen snaps in the game totally.
Speaker 5: So when he's playing into the second half, into the
Speaker 5: fourth quarter in the first preseason game, my little Spidey
Speaker 5: senses go off and like something's going on here. That
Speaker 5: means that the front office and the coaching staff or
Speaker 5: some combination, either one of them or both are not
Speaker 5: happy with the camp that he's having so far. And
Speaker 5: to me, that's lighting a little fire and saying, hey,
Speaker 5: we need to see more because there's no guarantees in
Speaker 5: this on this rock.
Speaker 6: What can you do with him though, because if you
Speaker 6: cut him, you take a giant captit on that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Pete, but I was.
Speaker 5: I was shocked to see him in the game, and
Speaker 5: like I was shocked to see him in the second half,
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, like in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 5: there's Roy Robinson Harris are starting defensive end and that
Speaker 5: will be a three technique this year.
Speaker 1: I'm curious how he practices this week against the Bucks.
Speaker 5: I'm really off that I'm curious about the whole dang thing,
Speaker 5: because that caught me by surprise.
Speaker 3: I've not heard anything.
Speaker 6: There must be other guys that they really like to
Speaker 6: in there like that, Like you mentioned Smith, but ninety
Speaker 6: did some good things a little bit too.
Speaker 3: What's his name, Pete.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: No, say o too, Maywoe.
Speaker 5: Say that again, say come on, let's go, let's get
Speaker 5: let's get.
Speaker 1: O to Maywoe.
Speaker 4: But he did.
Speaker 3: Ote Maywell. Yeah, I got that one. I want to
Speaker 3: see you guys, Butcher.
Speaker 6: In Hey, Tony, what about Marshalls? He did some decent
Speaker 6: things too. Was three ninety three?
Speaker 5: Is Tyler Lacy Marshall's ninety six ninety six?
Speaker 4: He did a couple of good things too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, late, listen my comment like, I was just shocked
Speaker 3: to see Roy in that late and so, and I
Speaker 3: don't know anything. Maybe it's nothing, Maybe that that was
Speaker 3: the plan all along. Maybe he knew about it.
Speaker 5: I just know history, looking back on history and teams
Speaker 5: that are part of When all of a sudden you
Speaker 5: see a veteran guy that was a starter and you
Speaker 5: expected to be a starter or y for a starting
Speaker 5: job and playing the fourth quarter of the first preseason game.
Speaker 3: You're like, huh, that's interesting. Let's come back in a moment.
Speaker 3: We'll take a look at joint practices next week. And
Speaker 3: we haven't been touched on the big fan topic of
Speaker 3: the offseason. A lot one of them the play calling.
Speaker 5: You want to hit that next, because I got some
Speaker 5: very strong comments about that.
Speaker 1: I do as well. We'll come back in a moment.
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Speaker 8: You get to pick the situations, the scenarios.
Speaker 4: It's very controlled. There's no live tackling or anything like that.
Speaker 8: It's you know, but they're their physical practices, but you
Speaker 8: can get you can get quite a bit out of them.
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Speaker 3: A big off season topic outside of this building has
Speaker 3: been Jaguars off offensive play calling and who will actually
Speaker 3: do it. Press Taylor was on the field Saturday night
Speaker 3: calling plays. Doug Peterson said earlier in training camps. I
Speaker 3: guess he will call the plays in the preseason. They
Speaker 3: haven't made a determination in the regular season. I think
Speaker 3: it's the most overblown topic in the last decade. Two
Speaker 3: years ago. Press Taylor is a genius in the second
Speaker 3: half of the season, calling plays in the comebacks in December.
Speaker 3: Nobody knew he was doing it last year. He can't
Speaker 3: coach football anymore, apparently, How did that change all of
Speaker 3: a sudden and he should be calling the place Tony.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's up to Doug. I mean, that's my opinion.
Speaker 5: Here's my opinion. I think Doug is a very good
Speaker 5: coach and a heck of a play caller. I think
Speaker 5: Press Taylor is a very good coach and a heck
Speaker 5: of a play caller, So I don't think he can
Speaker 5: go wrong with either one. They decided to decide what
Speaker 5: you know, ultimate's Doug's called what he thinks best for
Speaker 5: the organization and gives the best chance to win. But
Speaker 5: as far as I'm concerned, I tend to agree with
Speaker 5: you JP. I mean, it's amazing, like everyone was jumping
Speaker 5: up and down for joy when we're coming back and
Speaker 5: scoring points and doing all the things we did the
Speaker 5: second half of that season.
Speaker 3: And nobody knew he was doing and no one knew
Speaker 3: he was doing it.
Speaker 5: I still don't understand how that got leaked, or why
Speaker 5: it got leaked, or for any reason that all of
Speaker 5: a sudden there was some big major change going on
Speaker 5: last year right before the Colts game, I think.
Speaker 3: And here's the other thing.
Speaker 5: The way play calling goes in the NFL, for the
Speaker 5: most part, it's mostly decided during the week as a
Speaker 5: staff what you like, what are your top plays in
Speaker 5: this situation? First, second down, third down, goal line, short yardage,
Speaker 5: third and long, so on and so forth. You put
Speaker 5: all this together as a staff, then you work with
Speaker 5: your quarterback. You take that to your quarterback and say, hey, Trevor.
Speaker 4: What do you like?
Speaker 5: What are you comfortable with? He goes through it. Then
Speaker 5: you rank them.
Speaker 3: You get back to the staff together and say, okay,
Speaker 3: here's our first fifteen plays.
Speaker 5: That's what you're gonna call here's our first top three,
Speaker 5: third and seven plus. Here's our first you know, top
Speaker 5: three or five, you know, four to seven or three
Speaker 5: to seven. And here's our top you know, five short
Speaker 5: yard and here's our goal line, here's our red zone.
Speaker 3: It's all laid out.
Speaker 4: And yeah, but there's a rhythm to it.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's not a rhythm.
Speaker 5: But Pete, you're calling it off the call sheet that
Speaker 5: you guys have all agreed upon, and the start and
Speaker 5: the start of the game is all scripted.
Speaker 6: But there are guys that are great play callers and
Speaker 6: guys who aren't great play callers.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what the script says.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's fine, Okay, But I'm just saying I want
Speaker 5: to make sure everyone understands how this is put together
Speaker 5: as mechanically during the week, like every team does that, Pete, correct.
Speaker 4: I mean, here, see this thing here, this is a highlighter.
Speaker 6: They should x off the section that says bubble screen,
Speaker 6: bubble screen, bubble screen, bubble screen, bubble screen, bubble screen,
Speaker 6: third down, bubble screen, four down, bubble screen.
Speaker 3: Okay, you can get in and be silly and do
Speaker 3: these individual things.
Speaker 4: I'm just being serious.
Speaker 6: I think they part of the problem last year is
Speaker 6: that they were handcuffed and whoever was called so let.
Speaker 5: Me let me get to that, because here's their thing.
Speaker 5: And I said this on Monday morning. I guess was
Speaker 5: that last week or maybe I don't know when I
Speaker 5: said it, but anyways, the it's really hard to call
Speaker 5: plays when you can't get third and one. It's really
Speaker 5: hard when you can't run through the between the tackles
Speaker 5: consistently because you can't move anyone an inch.
Speaker 3: It's hard when.
Speaker 5: Really your only plays are picking polls and you're trying
Speaker 5: to move and try to create leverage points.
Speaker 3: To get outside. It's hard. It's hard to call plays in.
Speaker 5: The red zone tight red zone, especially where all the
Speaker 5: passing lanes are really tight, when you can't run it.
Speaker 3: So like number, hard to.
Speaker 4: Call plays when your quarterbacks sped up.
Speaker 6: It's hard to call plays when your receivers aren't big
Speaker 6: play threats down the field, which is why they went
Speaker 6: out and got two of them.
Speaker 5: And by the way, the other way you look at
Speaker 5: it is I'm with what you said, JP.
Speaker 3: I don't think Press Taylor forgot how to call plays. Yeah,
Speaker 3: less than a minute. By the way, and so I
Speaker 3: key understood like he was.
Speaker 5: Everyone loved him, and they didn't have a great year offensively,
Speaker 5: And I think it's a mistake to point the finger
Speaker 5: at one guy.
Speaker 3: That's not how it works.
Speaker 5: Doug is a part of the process, the whole coaches,
Speaker 5: that's part of the process. Trevor Lawrence is part of
Speaker 5: the process. And whoever they have calling players, whether it's
Speaker 5: Doug or Press, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I think both do it. We'll do a great job.
Speaker 1: Great first show, Pete. We'll talk to you again next week.
Speaker 4: Got it, Pete.
Speaker 3: Prisco, CBS Sports, Tony Bisselli Hall of Famer, I'm J P. Shadrick.
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Speaker 3: our entire crew, and welcome back.
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