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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas, and

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Speaker 1: we are back. We are continuing our journey through the

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Speaker 1: Seven Deadly Sins. Last time we have space on this

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Speaker 1: we were slogging it through gluttony, and now we are

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Speaker 1: discussing a little something called greed, which works perfectly because

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Speaker 1: if you're traveling through Dante's Inferno, always have to do

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, uh, and it makes conversations about Dante's Inferno awkward.

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Speaker 1: But um, but yeah. The third circle of Dante's Inferno

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Speaker 1: is where the glutton's hang out, and the fourth circle

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Speaker 1: is where the greedy hang out. To be more specific,

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Speaker 1: this is the circle of avarice and prodigality. It's it's

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Speaker 1: interesting Dante is really down on greed. It's not like

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Speaker 1: one of these sin like lust, which he has a

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Speaker 1: lot of sympathy for, well, because he's human. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he has like, he has a lot of sympathy for

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Speaker 1: some of the individuals. That's what I'm getting to. He

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Speaker 1: hasn't he has needs, But when he encounters the greedy

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Speaker 1: he's it's it's a lot harsher. He divides it up.

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Speaker 1: You have the prodigal and the more typically miserly greedy.

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Speaker 1: So the prodigal, they're reckless fenders. It's coming in and

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Speaker 1: it's it's going out twice as fast. I think that's

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Speaker 1: something we can all, if not relate to personally, we can,

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Speaker 1: we can we definitely witness in the world around us.

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Speaker 1: And then you have the the truly greedy, the hoarders

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Speaker 1: and the misers, the ones that take the money, hold

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Speaker 1: the money, that are just in it for the money itself. Okay.

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Speaker 1: And so when Dante and his guide Virgil show up

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Speaker 1: and infer, first of all, they greeted by Plutus, which

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Speaker 1: is the god of riches, with a little a little Pluto,

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Speaker 1: god of the underworld thrown in because you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: the underworld, underground, that's where gold and silver come from.

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Speaker 1: And he's beast, he always full of ray. Ginny's babbling

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Speaker 1: and he's saying poppy Satan, poppy Satan Nalipi, which is

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Speaker 1: kind of just nobody. There's a lot of discussion about

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Speaker 1: what in the heck that means. Yeah, I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 1: like poppy statan sounds a little poppy statan. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean there's a sense like maybe it's something papal, because

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Speaker 1: certainly there's a lot of discussion of sinful popes in

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Speaker 1: the Inferno and then Satan of course. But but this

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Speaker 1: actually mentioned, because when you actually encounter the big demon

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Speaker 1: himself the bottom of Inferno, he's referred to as Lucifer.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, back to these centers, so you have the

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Speaker 1: Like Dante is all like, I'm probably gonna look around here,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna know some people that I met know from life,

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Speaker 1: and that your Italian accent very mildly. You're Italian is

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Speaker 1: much better, and the Virgil's like, now you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna recognize anybody, because everyone's so twisted here

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Speaker 1: from their lives, from their their earthly lives full of

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Speaker 1: able to wreck it. Is that part of the punishment. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's not as much a part of the punishment. It's

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Speaker 1: just kind of like the reality of the like the

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Speaker 1: like spiritually there deformed from this. The punishment itself is

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Speaker 1: that they have there. It's kind of a joust between

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Speaker 1: the spinthrifts and the greedy, except instead of having like

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Speaker 1: you know, swords or spears or any kind of typical

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Speaker 1: jousting equipment, they are rolling large objects against each other

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Speaker 1: using only like their chests. And if you look at

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Speaker 1: the illustrations provided by Good Stuff Dora, the large objects

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Speaker 1: that they're jousting with their giant money bags. So if

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Speaker 1: and so there there there are no demons um staffed

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Speaker 1: here to punish these guys. They provide their own punishment

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Speaker 1: to each other. Okay, so it's like a scene from

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Speaker 1: eyes Watch. Shut well, I'll no, no, well, you know what, Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe more accessible is the illustration that you sent me,

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Speaker 1: and it showed a lucky cat to a mountain, and

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Speaker 1: But there there are many artistic interpretations. Now, if one

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Speaker 1: And if you travel up the mountain, each terrace purges

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Speaker 1: it by lying lying face down on a hard rock floor,

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Speaker 1: weeping and praying until the greed has washed away from you.

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Speaker 1: That's your punishment. Yeah, it's kind of. It's not a punishment. Remember,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a cleansing, Okay, kind of weak sauce.

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe Dante just wasn't bringing his a game when

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Speaker 1: it's it's not like they're like, you know, boiling rivers

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Speaker 1: But um, let's look to Buddhism real quick again before

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Speaker 1: we get into the real science of all this. In Buddhism, greed,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the center of the Debettan wheel

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Speaker 1: excellent interactive illustration of in the how Stuff Works article

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Speaker 1: how sky burial works. If if you look at the

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Speaker 1: center of this wheel, you'll find three animals, a pig,

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Speaker 1: each other's tails, forming a ring. And each of these

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Speaker 1: And just as a side note, some people are really

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Speaker 1: would be fascinating if someone were too concoct a burger

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Speaker 1: there's the religious introduction, and both of these examples are

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Speaker 1: But then there's another way of looking at it, right, well,

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Speaker 1: Greed clarifies, cut through and captures the essence of the

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Speaker 1: evolutionary spirit. Greed in all of its forms, greed for life, money, love,

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Speaker 1: knowledge has marked the upward surge in mankind and greed.

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Speaker 1: Mark my words. We'll see not only telled our paper,

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Speaker 1: we do the things we do, because dopamine is the

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Speaker 1: reward juice, and uh, most of the not most, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of the things we do are about releasing

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Speaker 1: that chemical, about achieving the reward. Our life is kind

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Speaker 1: of this game. And when we, uh, we actually hit

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Speaker 1: the points where we get the achieved, that's we get

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Speaker 1: the dopamine. It's not surprisingly would show up here. It

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Speaker 1: show up seems to have shown up in all the

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Speaker 1: other sense. And it's one of these things that we

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Speaker 1: learned a game a long time ago. Primitive man kind

432
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Speaker 1: of figured out what was going on with the dopamine

433
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Speaker 1: and figured out, hey, I can actually cheat and get

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Speaker 1: all the dopamine I want. Right, so we end up

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Speaker 1: with this whole legacy of bad habits and addictions and

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Speaker 1: uh and since if you will, and greed seems to

437
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Speaker 1: play especially well with dopamine because it's tied up in

438
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Speaker 1: three of the big needs that we have in life,

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Speaker 1: the needs for safety, the need for approval, and the

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Speaker 1: need for a steam. Right, we need safety because we

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Speaker 1: want to survive. We need approval because we want to

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Speaker 1: live in a community. Uh, and we need a steam

443
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Speaker 1: because we want to rise up in that community. And

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Speaker 1: money is it happens some pretty much buy any of

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Speaker 1: those things. And if money you can buy safety for yourself,

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Speaker 1: you want to be approved of, you can buy the

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Speaker 1: right clothing, You can buy the right lifestyle to do that.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to steam, as pretty much any

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Speaker 1: say presidential election or or uh, you know, or any

450
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Speaker 1: kind canny kind of political kind of gate illustrates, you

451
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Speaker 1: can buy that if you have enough money and enough

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Speaker 1: will to invest in it. So money is the ultimate

453
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Speaker 1: dopamine inducer. If money in and of itself doesn't fuel

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Speaker 1: the dopamine, then it can buy something that will which

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Speaker 1: makes sense again why people would be chasing that high

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Speaker 1: with with wealth or greed, right, um. And it actually

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Speaker 1: plays into something that has been called the scrabble strategy before.

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Speaker 1: And again we're talking about the short term versus the

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Speaker 1: long term, and the scrabble strategy is actually called the

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Speaker 1: greedy algorithm. And this is a computational mathematics term, and

461
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Speaker 1: basically it says that you can do well by making

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Speaker 1: whichever moves seems best at that moment and not worrying

463
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Speaker 1: too much about future consequences. And in mathematics, the greedy

464
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Speaker 1: algorithm builds up a solution piece by piece, always choosing

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Speaker 1: the next piece that offers the most obvious and immediate benefits.

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Speaker 1: So for us, right, that would translate to dopamine ding

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Speaker 1: ding ding. Okay, So in the scrabble scenario, the the

468
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Speaker 1: idea here is that I get a high number value

469
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Speaker 1: pile like an X or Z or something, I'm better

470
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Speaker 1: off holding onto it, but instead I play it immediately,

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Speaker 1: right yeah, Because I mean that's not playing the long game, right.

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Speaker 1: It's not like chess where you have to really consider,

473
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Speaker 1: you know, three moves ahead. You just have to inscrabble.

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Speaker 1: It really is like, whatever you have right in front

475
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Speaker 1: of you at that very moment, you have to play

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Speaker 1: and you'll you'll benefit from that strategy, so you know that.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what greed sort of falls into, is this

478
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Speaker 1: greedy algorithm. Although the greedy algorithm obviously isn't sustainable because

479
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Speaker 1: at some point you have to uh, you know, inhabit

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Speaker 1: your future brain and start thinking about the consequences. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I guess with human lives, the problem is that

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Speaker 1: by the time you start realizing you need to play

483
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Speaker 1: the long game, there's not In many cases, there's not

484
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Speaker 1: that much game left. I don't know, you didn't see

485
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Speaker 1: that a lot. I mean, it's like, like we said earlier,

486
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Speaker 1: it's like people end up not caring during the rich years,

487
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Speaker 1: during the bouentiful years, which are they there? The grasshopper, right,

488
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Speaker 1: the grasshopper in the ant That sounds right because the grasshopper, yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: the aunt in the fable, right is is piling away

490
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Speaker 1: for the becoming winter, and the grasshopper is like, I'm

491
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Speaker 1: having a great time and then it gets cold and

492
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Speaker 1: the ants like I'm set in the grasshopper dies. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of a right, your rosebud, we walked. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can't leap to that logic. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that actually plays in all that well, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He was chasing after greed, Yeah he was, he was.

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Speaker 1: He is another iconic greedy character. But but yeah, when

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Speaker 1: we're in the midst of the of the plenty, we're

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Speaker 1: not thinking about the long long game, and it's easier

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Speaker 1: to think about the long game when there's nothing much

501
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Speaker 1: game left. I don't know if I'm making sense of that. No, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting it. I'm getting it. If you are obsessed

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Speaker 1: your whole life with cheasing after the precious and uh

504
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Speaker 1: and trying to battle do battle with the sneaky little

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Speaker 1: hobbits is for the precious. Well, the precious was pretty awesome.

506
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Speaker 1: It was one of the rings of power. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I you can you kind of have to side with

508
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Speaker 1: Gollumn on that one, I know. But the point is

509
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Speaker 1: that that you could you could waste your entire life,

510
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Speaker 1: you know, obsessing over the precious, and then you no

511
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Speaker 1: longer have a life. You just have a shiny did

512
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Speaker 1: get to travel pretty well, and he lived a long life.

513
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on here, Robert Lamb. I'm

514
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Speaker 1: just saying, you know, the greedy got just coming out,

515
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Speaker 1: don't you know, hate on Sneakle too much because you know,

516
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Speaker 1: you got to see the world of Middle Earth, and

517
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Speaker 1: you know, and he and he his spoiler, he dies

518
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Speaker 1: by falling into a volcano, which is something I kind

519
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Speaker 1: of want for myself. So okay, So there we are

520
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Speaker 1: revealing something about you right now and your affinity for Schneegle.

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Speaker 1: Like imagine if you're if your obituary said something like

522
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Speaker 1: Robert lamp passed away today when he fell into Mountain Doon, Like,

523
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Speaker 1: that's pretty right after chasing absolute power. Well, that makes

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Speaker 1: it sound kind of sad. I guess all right, you've

525
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Speaker 1: got it. You've got a point. All right, let's uh,

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Speaker 1: let's bring over our greed. But over there, overdone? Oh

527
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Speaker 1: I don't know, are we Yeah? I think that's it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty we were discussing earlier, like the

529
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Speaker 1: research into degree doesn't go quite as deep to some

530
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Speaker 1: of the other ones we've we've talked about. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about Dante. I was like, yeah, of course,

532
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Speaker 1: He's like this is awful, this is bad. It's awful.

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Speaker 1: It's bad, but I'm not really going to devote a

534
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Speaker 1: lot of time the same thing with researchers so far.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess a lot of its kind of

536
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Speaker 1: surface level. It comes down to we want money because

537
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: money makes a lot of things possible. It allows us

538
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Speaker 1: to have safety, it allows us to to eat, to

539
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Speaker 1: to have shelter, it allows us to move through life.

540
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Speaker 1: So of course we want it. And like with all

541
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Speaker 1: the sins we've looked at, there's like a tipping point

542
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Speaker 1: between like a normal level of wanting money and an

543
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: unbalanced level. You know, what I think would be interesting

544
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Speaker 1: is some research on the super wealthy and wondering whether

545
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Speaker 1: or not if you reach a certain point of wealth

546
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Speaker 1: that you become more altruistic and you actually become more ethical.

547
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Speaker 1: That isn't because a number of billionaires have taken that

548
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Speaker 1: pledge to to donate a large portion of their their

549
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Speaker 1: wealth charity. And there are for every you know, miserly

550
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Speaker 1: Scrooge McDuck type individual in the world, you can you

551
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: can generally think of someone else who is using their fortune,

552
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Speaker 1: or at least a large portion of their fortune to

553
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Speaker 1: try and do good things and not just as a

554
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Speaker 1: tax right off, right right, So, yeah, I would like

555
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: to see more more numbers on that, for sure, because

556
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Speaker 1: there are there are certainly some individuals that really make

557
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Speaker 1: a case for the old adage money corrupts and money

558
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Speaker 1: is the root of all evil. But then there are

559
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Speaker 1: some individuals who seem to stand apart from that and

560
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: and really give us a little hope. Yeah, And and

561
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Speaker 1: some people who I'm sure at four waste uff and

562
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: they're driving a luxury car that that actually, uh, they're

563
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Speaker 1: not jerks. I don't know. Ye, let me get that.

564
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Speaker 1: Let Dante have the last word on this though, because

565
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: there's a lovely little line, and this is of course

566
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Speaker 1: translated from the Italian and then this is Virgil talking

567
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: to Dante. He says, now you can see, my son,

568
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Speaker 1: the brief mockery of the goods that are committed to

569
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Speaker 1: fortune for which the human race so squabbles for all

570
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Speaker 1: the gold that is under the moon, and that ever

571
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: was could not give rest to even one of these

572
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: weary souls. He says that as they look king at

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Speaker 1: the torture didn't help. So there you go. All right,

574
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: all right, now let's call over the robot. Come over here,

575
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: Arnie and bring us our basket of golden mail. Clink

576
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: clink clink. All right, well, here's one related there. Here's

577
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Speaker 1: one related to one of our sin podcasts. Darlene writes

578
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Speaker 1: in about our gluttony episode Dear Robert and Julie, as

579
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Speaker 1: someone who very recently went through gastric bypass surgery, I

580
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Speaker 1: was obviously very interested in your gluttony podcast. Here's a

581
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: personal perspective that main interesting. I've always been someone who

582
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Speaker 1: suffered from extreme gnawing hunger. In fact, my stomach would

583
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Speaker 1: growl so loudly my dogs would bark at it. A

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Speaker 1: small amount of food would not mitigate the pain. Not

585
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Speaker 1: not pains, but genuine pain of that hunger. Combine this

586
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Speaker 1: with an extremely slow metabolicalism, and you have a perfect

587
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Speaker 1: recipe for obesity. In the months of study and research

588
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: prior to my gas would bypass surgery, I read that

589
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Speaker 1: the hunger hormone garyline becomes suppressed following surgery. I didn't

590
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: really understand or believe it, But now about six week

591
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: suppost surgery, I can confirm this is absolutely true. Like

592
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Speaker 1: those twin women who always irritated me with their oh, dear,

593
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Speaker 1: I forgot to eat today, I find that I don't

594
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: eat on a specific schedule, I to forget all about food.

595
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: It's a lot easier to lose weight when you were

596
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Speaker 1: never hungry. I understand that pharmaceutical researchers have been on

597
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: the trail of garland for suppressor for years but still

598
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: haven't been able to nail it. So be kind of

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Speaker 1: the overweight, obese and those who may appear gluttonous, they

600
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: may have physical issues that aren't obvious. Thanks Darling. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: we you know, touched on the while I wanted to

602
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: touch I think we we we definitely tried to stress

603
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: in the Gluttony podcast that there's a lot more going

604
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Speaker 1: on with certainly with obesity and issues of just you know,

605
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: revenous hunger than than oh I like food and I

606
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: want to eat a lot of them, like it's it's

607
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot more complicated than that that there There's

608
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: there's stuff going on at genetic level and that true

609
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: gluttony it certainly is far as like competitive eating goes

610
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: really stands apart from the issues of plotting way. Yeah, well,

611
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: one of the things we didn't get into um is

612
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: something called ft O, which is a a gene variant

613
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Speaker 1: that is often seen in obese people, and this is

614
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: actually responsible for this biologically altered state, much like what

615
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: she just talked about in terms of regulating hunger. So, um,

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00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately, there's actually a lot of stuff about

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Speaker 1: gluttony and in diets and all sorts of stuff that

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00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: we couldn't get to you in that podcast. Um. So

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Speaker 1: it was it was nice to hear from her and

620
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: to be able to sort of address that right now

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Speaker 1: at least. Oh well, here's another email from a listener.

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Speaker 1: By the end of of Desolu and Deflu wrote in

623
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Speaker 1: to share some thoughts on me don't eat the Panda episode,

624
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: but also mentioned that they found the Cubed Earth episode

625
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: very inspiring and they wanted to create an RPG roleplaying

626
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: game module about it. They say, think Star Trek where

627
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: Earthlings come from different sides of the cube. Woo who

628
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Speaker 1: so ampt to write it? So I thought that was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Any times podcast can inspire people, I am I'm all

630
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Speaker 1: into it. Uh. Here's a quick email from a listener,

631
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Speaker 1: My name Carlos. Carlos says, after listening to your rat

632
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Speaker 1: King podcast, I came to the realization that magneton uh

633
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: and this is apparently a Pokemon character. The evolved form

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Speaker 1: listener by the name of Maricela and Marcelo right and says, hey,

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Speaker 1: exclamation point. I'm sure this has happened to you, guys.

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Speaker 1: In my head as I listened to you, I make

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Speaker 1: Facebook at us and uh, it will invent your life.

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Speaker 1: blonde Julie. Don't know why it just happened. And now

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Speaker 1: whenever I'm listening to the two of you, Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: Great work with the podcast, the awesome dynamics between you

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Speaker 1: new every time. Here's now correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: But don't you have a doppelganger in Athens, Georgia that

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Speaker 1: I don't know if she's still there. Uh, but I

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Speaker 1: it's worth, so you're you're right to some degree, okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And my daughter is like very Nordic working and blind,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're you're the doppelganger you play, you replaced the

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Speaker 1: actual Julie. You're completely wrong, but I don't. You shouldn't

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Speaker 1: even think that there's no logic there. Don't pursue that

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Speaker 1: line of logic anymore. Okay, okay, okay, seriously, I am Julie. Okay, okay, okay. Well,

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Speaker 1: well if you would, if you would like to interact

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