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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, September twenty eighth, twenty twenty one, season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number twenty nine. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: the Break Clock from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 1: the Star and it's a happy Tuesday here at the Start.
Speaker 1: Cowboys get a big win last night, division win. They
Speaker 1: win forty one to twenty one over the hated Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 1: and uh, we just in there. Yeah, you know fans.
Speaker 1: Fans are part of that. Fans hate the Eagles, like
Speaker 1: so it's it's good, it's perfect and uh and it
Speaker 1: was a game that that I think we all I
Speaker 1: don't think there are really a lot of surprises from
Speaker 1: that game because I think all of us picked them
Speaker 1: last week and I think we all picked them to
Speaker 1: win handily and they did. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: picked them win that handily, but we certainly thought this
Speaker 1: would be a lot side of game because I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are just a better team. But let's start
Speaker 1: where we usually start the day after a game, and
Speaker 1: I'd like for you guys to give me, uh, just
Speaker 1: kind of your big picture takeaway from that game. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you, Dave, LF, M F and G. How
Speaker 1: about that. That's my big takeaway. That's how I feel. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're going in this morning. That was right, That was
Speaker 1: I said this. I said this on the radio a
Speaker 1: little bit ago. It wasn't It wasn't as clean as
Speaker 1: it could have been. It wasn't a perfect game. There
Speaker 1: are no perfect games. But that Mike McCarthy's going to
Speaker 1: frame that in his office as like, this is the
Speaker 1: way that I want this team to win games. It
Speaker 1: was every It was all the hallmarks of what this
Speaker 1: team is capable of, in my opinion. An explosive offense
Speaker 1: with an absurd amount of ways to beat you, a
Speaker 1: ground game that can absolutely punish you and wear you down,
Speaker 1: a passing game that has six legitimate options that can
Speaker 1: hurt you. And that's without Michael Gallup even being healthy
Speaker 1: enough to be part of it. A quarterback who is
Speaker 1: my god, Dak Prescott, is just in such command of
Speaker 1: this offense. The confidence it just like radiates off the
Speaker 1: field and all of that gives you a lead and
Speaker 1: allows your defense to be opportunistic and make plays and
Speaker 1: do things like pick off Jalen Hurts for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: It's a formula that we've seen work here time and
Speaker 1: time again, but maybe even more explosively because of the
Speaker 1: amount of talent that they have on offense, and was
Speaker 1: just a thorough beat down. It was fun, nick Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought, you know, you said there weren't
Speaker 1: a lot of surprises. I was surprised in the way
Speaker 1: that this offensive line um flipped the script, and not
Speaker 1: always in a in a great way, but they ran.
Speaker 1: They ran the ball down their throat. They really couldn't
Speaker 1: pass block very well, but they could run it and
Speaker 1: they got into the red zone and ran it in.
Speaker 1: I thought that was impressive. I mean, usually this offensive line,
Speaker 1: the way it's been built, it's been a little bit
Speaker 1: more I wouldn't say finesse line, but they were a
Speaker 1: little more athletic and don't have as much problems with
Speaker 1: the passing. But they kind of did last night, but
Speaker 1: they were able to just kind of run it, and
Speaker 1: that set the tone for the entire game. That one
Speaker 1: driver they had a first and twenty they overcame. They
Speaker 1: had a first at nineteen, overcame that and still scored
Speaker 1: a touchdown. I mean, I just thought, like Dave said,
Speaker 1: I thought, Dak is just masterful. I mean, his stat
Speaker 1: line is amazing. I mean that that's that's it. That's
Speaker 1: what you want right there. It's not a three hundred
Speaker 1: yard game to thirty six because they're winning and they're
Speaker 1: winning and they could run it and the running backs
Speaker 1: have one hundred and fifty yards and he's tell us
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. It takes whatever. Not worried if Cooper's stats
Speaker 1: are big, not worried about seeding. Lamp just gonna take
Speaker 1: what they give him, yep, and not just take it aggressively,
Speaker 1: take it what they give him. And I'd love that
Speaker 1: about this team right now, because if you want to
Speaker 1: take away the wide receivers, then guess what. The tight
Speaker 1: ends will kill you if you want to. By the way,
Speaker 1: if you want to look at this team, even from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of let's say, for example, God forbid, running
Speaker 1: back goes down, You got another one. Tight end goes down,
Speaker 1: You got another one. You've already lost the receiver. You
Speaker 1: got others right there are When you look at this
Speaker 1: team the way it's constructed offensively, it's not just will
Speaker 1: aggressively take what you give us. We also got backup,
Speaker 1: and we got backups on backups. So it's like they
Speaker 1: have a They have built an offense that really outside
Speaker 1: of the quarterback, and that's the big gap. Outside of
Speaker 1: the quarterback. They can sustain a lot of different hits
Speaker 1: and still be able to find a way to move
Speaker 1: the ball. And that's what you love the most, what
Speaker 1: I love the most about this team. This offense is
Speaker 1: in amiba or water. You know, it takes the it
Speaker 1: puts on the shape of the vessel that it's in.
Speaker 1: It's way too deep for how a little sleep I
Speaker 1: got last name, I don't know. The frustly said b
Speaker 1: water and the Cowboys are water. I mean, like that's
Speaker 1: my point. They can kill you. They'll run for two
Speaker 1: hundred yards if you want them to, or they'll murder.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dak can throw for four hundred if you
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen him do it. And don't come
Speaker 1: at me. That like, oh, that's not a winning strategy
Speaker 1: that game, they had the lead with the minute to play.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they were coming back in
Speaker 1: garbage time. Like people like to criticize DAK for. They
Speaker 1: can win whatever way you want to present. And it's
Speaker 1: fun to think teams are gonna switch up. They're gonna
Speaker 1: see this and they're gonna they're gonna switch up and
Speaker 1: try to find new ways to combat this, and Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore is gonna say, cool, well we're this this week.
Speaker 1: Have fun and it's just it's fun to watch. Speaking
Speaker 1: of Kellen Moore, man every time every game that he
Speaker 1: calls this year, I've walked away from the game being like, man,
Speaker 1: he is as as Bucky always says, he's in his bag,
Speaker 1: like he's coming up with the right calls at the
Speaker 1: right time, and some of them, by the way, don't work.
Speaker 1: There were moments last night, the end around down in
Speaker 1: in in goal to ghost situation. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of people can question that I don't because I look
Speaker 1: at that and I'm like, hey, I like his creativity.
Speaker 1: Not everything he's gonna call it's gonna work, but I
Speaker 1: like the fact that he's just trying different things, and
Speaker 1: he has a method to what he's doing and I
Speaker 1: think most of the time it's working. It's a joy
Speaker 1: to watch through three weeks. Yeah, I mean, you're right
Speaker 1: that down there. They they kind of they messed that
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Um. What I don't understand is
Speaker 1: that you know they love having McGovern in there as
Speaker 1: as a big fullback. Um, Chris, he wasn't in there
Speaker 1: on those on that play on that fourth and fourth
Speaker 1: and one, and but you wanted him to just destroy
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks back. So I don't know that's that's a
Speaker 1: little weird, but hey whatever. Yeah, yeah, he said just
Speaker 1: run him at that. I'm like, no, don't run him
Speaker 1: at deck. Just hit back in the back and through
Speaker 1: he worked for Reggie Bush. Yeah, it's true. Score young
Speaker 1: quarterback that hadn't had some hadn't had a big injury.
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't hurt my quarterback. Why can't we get
Speaker 1: this guy cam over the goal line? Well, they did
Speaker 1: have it have an angle. They did have an angle
Speaker 1: that was high if you remember the high, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't and it was it wasn't right on it. If
Speaker 1: it would have been right on, then you could actually
Speaker 1: see it. No, this is this ball would have been
Speaker 1: still been covered. Like that's the problem with that whole thing.
Speaker 1: You couldn't see whether they couldn't really see. Y'all are
Speaker 1: on the right track, but you're not going far enough
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Why don't why don't both noses
Speaker 1: of the football have a chip in it? Look and
Speaker 1: you can say, let's consult the eagle eye, just like
Speaker 1: Tennis has been doing since I was like five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, it went like yep, there it
Speaker 1: is little graphics like a red light. I'm not absolutely
Speaker 1: with you. I'm absolutely as a matter of fact, you
Speaker 1: want to talk about technology. Between that and just having
Speaker 1: a sideline where they just track with a laser where
Speaker 1: the ball is and where it needs to go for
Speaker 1: the first down, there is no question of whether you
Speaker 1: crossed the plane for a first down our goal line,
Speaker 1: Like all this stuff is very easily doable. Technology is
Speaker 1: the most profitable American sports league. And they're like, these
Speaker 1: two pudgy dudes with chains are gonna mark the progress
Speaker 1: of the ball just to emphasize, as they typically all, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to emphasize that they're not at the top of their
Speaker 1: game when no offense to those guys. I could stand
Speaker 1: to spend more time in the gym too, But that's
Speaker 1: just it's ridiculous. They're like, well, that guy's butt got
Speaker 1: in the way, so I guess we don't know if
Speaker 1: DA's like, are you kidding me? Stops. It is always
Speaker 1: weird to me, Like it never matters until the end
Speaker 1: of the game, but it is weird. Like when the
Speaker 1: guy just goes down and the guy comes running from
Speaker 1: the sideline and just gets the ball and cleans it
Speaker 1: off and then puts it down. I'm like, this isn't right.
Speaker 1: The one that gets me is the punt that goes
Speaker 1: out of bounds and the guy's back here and he's
Speaker 1: just running, like you have no freaking clue where that
Speaker 1: ball When they're just gonna run to you get tired
Speaker 1: and you say twenty eight yard line unbelievable. I mean,
Speaker 1: did not wind up mattering, but I that's that is
Speaker 1: as incensed as I have ever been, probably since the
Speaker 1: des catch. I just really yeah, yeah, because okay, it
Speaker 1: was ridiculous and talk about I mean, all the things
Speaker 1: that happened last night. Yeah, d just decides to show
Speaker 1: up at that rib. Mike McCarthy, that's probably the best
Speaker 1: part of it. I wish we had video of that.
Speaker 1: That would have been so great. I wasn't I actually
Speaker 1: wasn't there. I was in the overflow room talking to
Speaker 1: Parsons and Zach, but Rob was there. Yeah. DA's just
Speaker 1: as if, yeah, as if that wasn't fun enough, Dad's
Speaker 1: Bryant sticks his head in and he's just like, hey.
Speaker 1: During Mike's prescott, Mike, I caught that ball in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: You know that's also He's wandering around the tunnels, just
Speaker 1: dapping everybody up, just like a family reunion. And he's
Speaker 1: wearing an eighty eight jersey and I was like, does
Speaker 1: you're not really wearing your own jersey, are you? Nope?
Speaker 1: It was the Ceedee Lamb jersey. Just showing love for
Speaker 1: the young guy. Ah, I love that guy. Yeah. Was
Speaker 1: he was awesome, Like he was so excited and he
Speaker 1: could not wait. He was waiting like like a little
Speaker 1: kid on Christmas. He could not wait for Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: to come out of the locker rooms. We could talk
Speaker 1: to Jerry, and you know, of course Jerry was in
Speaker 1: that mood. We're just you know, so excited and everybody
Speaker 1: and you know what I thought was cool too. I
Speaker 1: know we're going on to Tanni, but I thought it
Speaker 1: was it was neat he was down there, and you know,
Speaker 1: we remember Dez's career in different ways, a lot of
Speaker 1: different things happening. But when you see the practice squad guys,
Speaker 1: the Jaquan Hardis and guys that are running off the
Speaker 1: field and all that, and they see and that, they
Speaker 1: do a triple take like that's right, and it's like
Speaker 1: heydes and then they just stopped because it's this is
Speaker 1: our generation. They're like, can I get a picture? He
Speaker 1: took more pictures with guys that he doesn't that never
Speaker 1: played with and all that. He's days, you know, and
Speaker 1: players love him and fans love him and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was cool, you know, the cherry
Speaker 1: on top of a very nice Sunday. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was good. It was It was a lot of
Speaker 1: Cowboys royalty, obviously because of what was happening at halftime,
Speaker 1: but that that was the part that made me a
Speaker 1: little nervous. If there was ever anything that made me
Speaker 1: nervous about that game, Nick, you and I've experienced this
Speaker 1: a lot games where they're doing celebrations, they don't always
Speaker 1: end up to work out too well for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and so I was a little bit like, man, I
Speaker 1: every time of celebration, I'm a little bit anxious, but
Speaker 1: it mant it by even by halftime once they get
Speaker 1: to that one time, well it was bad though. It
Speaker 1: was really bad. No, I'm talking about Baltimore. They're closing
Speaker 1: the stadium game. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, some time about Watchington.
Speaker 1: That was horrible. That was a horrible night as they
Speaker 1: were closing Texas Stadium. But no, I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: it just it was just like, even by halftime, you
Speaker 1: already got the sense, oh, Dallas is going to run
Speaker 1: away with this game. Of course, Dave, you and I
Speaker 1: were kind of going back and forth like are they
Speaker 1: really maybe they will. It's twenty seven. We weren't going
Speaker 1: back and forth. You just you ride the emotion of
Speaker 1: whatever's happening in a game. And I'm just like, haven't
Speaker 1: you been doing this for twenty years? Like don't you
Speaker 1: just just pull back, just pull back and take the
Speaker 1: whole whole thing in. And what I told you was
Speaker 1: the two teams I wrote route the most for Dallas
Speaker 1: and the Longhorns. They have put me through a lot.
Speaker 1: I get it a lot, and so I got PTSD.
Speaker 1: I don't trust anything anything that creeps up, it looks
Speaker 1: a little funny. I'm like, well, WHOA, what's going on here? Derek?
Speaker 1: Just to give y'all some content. Like before halftime, Derek
Speaker 1: was like, man, you should start writing your story. You
Speaker 1: can get out of here early tonight. And then like
Speaker 1: one play went against the Cowboys and Derek's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's happening again. I was like, dude, how
Speaker 1: do you live like this? Like just don't know. So anyway,
Speaker 1: it's bad. All right, let's jump into the game. I
Speaker 1: wanted to go through some of the storylines that we
Speaker 1: talked about going into the game and see how they
Speaker 1: turned out for the Cowboys. One of the things we
Speaker 1: talked about last week was Philadelphia. Philadelphia was eighteenth and
Speaker 1: rushing defense. They were allowing one hundred and twenty yards
Speaker 1: per game. It's signaled that again Dallas, coming off a
Speaker 1: game with they had one hundred and ninety eight yards
Speaker 1: on the ground against the Chargers, that this may be
Speaker 1: a game where they would rely on the run again
Speaker 1: as a team. They had one hundred and sixty yards
Speaker 1: rushing on forty one carry Zeke was seventeen for ninety
Speaker 1: five yards a five point six average, followed that up
Speaker 1: with eleven for sixty with a five point five average.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on the Dallas rushing attack last night.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I was impressed. I thought they'd be
Speaker 1: able to run the ball, but I thought they were dominant.
Speaker 1: I mean, the stat sheet says they only ran for
Speaker 1: three point nine to carry, but Lamb's end around and
Speaker 1: some dack scrambles are thrown in. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: take the two running the running backs were averaging almost
Speaker 1: six yards a carry. I thought that was really impressive.
Speaker 1: I know Philly doesn't have great linebackers, but Hargrave Cox,
Speaker 1: you know, they that speaks for itself, and they just
Speaker 1: took it to him. I mean they ran the ball
Speaker 1: twenty five times in the first half. And I wrote
Speaker 1: about this last night. It was it was vintage Zeke
Speaker 1: in the sense of just beating somebody down until they
Speaker 1: don't want it anymore. In the fourth quarter, I thought
Speaker 1: that's exactly what was happening, yep. I mean I thought
Speaker 1: he ran as well as we've seen in a while
Speaker 1: and just got some some tough yards and finished off
Speaker 1: some runs and five yards, I mean as long as
Speaker 1: was a thirteen yard. There was a couple in there
Speaker 1: that he just that one I remember down by the
Speaker 1: goal line where he just basically was like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna run at you and just run you over.
Speaker 1: And he's getting another three four, and he really pushed
Speaker 1: the pile his way. And that's something I've been critical
Speaker 1: on with this offensive line, is you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: push their way back in. And I really I thought
Speaker 1: that having first and night, first and ten. You know
Speaker 1: how I am by first and goal at the ten
Speaker 1: and a nine, I mean it's like a death sentence. Well,
Speaker 1: first and goal from the nineteen, I mean, just zerline,
Speaker 1: just get out there, I mean, you know, and they
Speaker 1: get six yards the Cooper, a ten yard run by Zeke,
Speaker 1: and then on third and three just run it in.
Speaker 1: I thought that was as impressive because that that really
Speaker 1: changed the game. Instead of it being seventeen seven, it's
Speaker 1: twenty to seven because they missed the extra point. You know,
Speaker 1: kickers have to mess up things. But it is funny though,
Speaker 1: how it's that you talk about riding the wave. I mean,
Speaker 1: he missed an extra point and it's like what's wrong
Speaker 1: with this guy? I mean the guy that drilled the
Speaker 1: fifty six yards to beat the Chargers. Or It's funny though,
Speaker 1: because back and forth, I can't get out of the habit,
Speaker 1: even knowing that Zerlines had his struggles, Like they score
Speaker 1: the touchdown and I immediately I'm like, Okay, what was
Speaker 1: that scoring drive? What did they do? Who did this?
Speaker 1: Who did that? And you're putting it in context and
Speaker 1: you look up and you're like, god, they missed? What
Speaker 1: the And for so many years with Dan Bailey you
Speaker 1: could get away with that, and so I have to
Speaker 1: like train myself like, Nope, you gotta watch the extra
Speaker 1: point too. Yeah, you don't know what's gonna happen. I
Speaker 1: was gonna save this. But since we're already talking about it,
Speaker 1: do you get a little bit concerned? Though? I know
Speaker 1: you say, yeah, he drilled that fifty six yard to
Speaker 1: win that game for you last week. Not a lot
Speaker 1: of kickers in the league can do that. But the
Speaker 1: number of missus d he's head and you're talking about
Speaker 1: some extra points on top of that. You started to me,
Speaker 1: at least I start to get a little bit concerned
Speaker 1: about consistency because you want to be able to just
Speaker 1: count on your kickers in certain situations is something we
Speaker 1: used to talk about all the time when they were
Speaker 1: having more, you know, kind of turnover at the kicker position.
Speaker 1: You prefer the guy that can make really big kicks,
Speaker 1: really long kicks, or do you prefer the guy that
Speaker 1: forty and in extra points even forty five in in
Speaker 1: he's money, He's gonna make it every single time. And
Speaker 1: I kind of just like the consistency that does bother
Speaker 1: me a little bit. What about y'all? Yeah, it should, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody should feel great about it. And I
Speaker 1: just think the reality is there's only kind of like
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, Like how many teams in the league just
Speaker 1: have a kicker where they're like, we feel great about
Speaker 1: this all the time every time. It's just cowboys were
Speaker 1: spoiled to have it with Dan for as long as
Speaker 1: they did, and they don't have it right now. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have an answer to it yet. I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to fire him. Yeah yeah, and I'm a better
Speaker 1: options I personally. What I just need you to be
Speaker 1: able to hit from forty to fifty, honestly, because that's
Speaker 1: when you're getting down close in the red zone or
Speaker 1: near the red zone and the drive stalls, and that's
Speaker 1: not an easy field goal, but one that you should make.
Speaker 1: That's what I care about. Points you should care about.
Speaker 1: I mean, I care about all of them at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. But if you can reliably hit
Speaker 1: those mid range kicks, I think that that's more likely
Speaker 1: to win you and lose you games, understanding that you
Speaker 1: don't want to miss. This is not Brett Maher situation
Speaker 1: where the guy, you know, he's hitting sixty yards and
Speaker 1: you don't know if he could kick anything else. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, is that that's not the second
Speaker 1: miss it's the first miscester point. But the one in
Speaker 1: Tampa was I think shorter than that. Um No, then
Speaker 1: he missed it. Yeah, he has one two and he's
Speaker 1: missed three basically inside of thirty five yards. Um, that's
Speaker 1: that's concerned. That's concerning in three games. It is, Um,
Speaker 1: there's not. I mean the guys out there on the
Speaker 1: street are on the street because they've missed some too.
Speaker 1: So it's all about you know, who's the guy they
Speaker 1: brought in two years ago? I mean Kai four Bath.
Speaker 1: They brought in Kai four Bath. I think he was
Speaker 1: twenty and twenty I mean extra points, field goals. But
Speaker 1: he that was a good stretch because he's had bad stretches.
Speaker 1: That leads you to the streets, and that's that's what happened.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I I trust him more than I don't.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's you know, it's it's shaky. We're just
Speaker 1: we're gonna circle it and keep an eye on it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what else you can do about
Speaker 1: it other than say it's concerning. Probably not so concerning
Speaker 1: that you need to make a roster move, but hopefully
Speaker 1: it doesn't bite you in a worse way if you're gonna, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's have that happened in twenty point. When I mean
Speaker 1: not not nail biters. I mean you're gonna bring you know,
Speaker 1: Hira lahu or whatever. I'm sorry, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, do you think that would make anyone
Speaker 1: feel good? And the tough thing about kickers is it's
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's and I don't know this.
Speaker 1: You guys may know this. I don't know that. It's
Speaker 1: a situation where okay, okay, kicker, we're gonna work on
Speaker 1: this and we're gonna get you more reliable, Like at
Speaker 1: this stage of his career, he knows what he's supposed
Speaker 1: to do. He does it every single day. It's just
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, got a little bit too much of
Speaker 1: it this way, or I got too high on my
Speaker 1: whatever it was, Like, I don't know that that you
Speaker 1: can work that out. It's only a mental thing at
Speaker 1: this point of your kicker having to find that mental consistency,
Speaker 1: and so I don't even know how you make him better.
Speaker 1: It's very similar to Zeke's fumbling issues last year. Like
Speaker 1: you think Ezekiel Elliott doesn't know the proper way to
Speaker 1: carry a football, like ass happens. I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: fix it, but I don't. There's not some cure all
Speaker 1: of like like Greg's airline knows how to kick an
Speaker 1: extra point, you just gotta do it, like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. And that's the
Speaker 1: part that's worth something to me. I guess is that
Speaker 1: I don't know how they fix this other than Greg
Speaker 1: just getting it together right, and that's you can do.
Speaker 1: You're relying a lot on him getting it together. And
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're gonna have designs on doing
Speaker 1: the things that we think Dallas has the capabilities of doing.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be playing some really good games, and those
Speaker 1: extra points are gonna matter. Those field goals that are
Speaker 1: thirty something yards that you just count on, they're gonna matter.
Speaker 1: So I think they gotta they gotta figure out a
Speaker 1: way to get him to a point where he's able
Speaker 1: to do that more consistently. All Right, it's like our
Speaker 1: first break when we come back. I did have a
Speaker 1: couple more questions about the running game, and particularly the
Speaker 1: split split on carries. We saw Zeke get a lot
Speaker 1: more yesterday in the way of touch. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you, guys, if that's going to be something that
Speaker 1: we should probably expect more of this kind of split
Speaker 1: than what we saw maybe in the game against the Charges.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the Cowboys big win over Philadelphia forty
Speaker 1: one to twenty one. Cowboys moved to the lead of
Speaker 1: the NFC East in this early part of the season.
Speaker 1: Three games in they are two and one, the other
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Washington are both one and two, and Giants
Speaker 1: pulling up the rear a O and three. It's over
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I'm not even sure that the Giants
Speaker 1: haven't played the best of those three teams if you
Speaker 1: look at all their games, But they're sitting at oh
Speaker 1: and three. The other two teams are at one in too,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I don't know about that. The
Speaker 1: Giants look like trash. Bossington certainly doesn't look great, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I just that this division,
Speaker 1: I think is obviously right there for the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: take it. I don't see really anybody posing much of
Speaker 1: a threat from what we've seen so far, but well,
Speaker 1: we'll see. And injuries are still a part of games.
Speaker 1: That's always the part of the wild card with the NFL, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's what's kind of interesting about this team is
Speaker 1: that you know, you're you're hoping, you know, this team
Speaker 1: stays healthy, but they're not really when you think about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got DeMarcus Lawrence, your best pass rusher
Speaker 1: and best defensive end. That's out. Michael Gallup's out. I mean,
Speaker 1: Leo Collins is out right now. And you know, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know the other than d law because
Speaker 1: I think you could definitely, you know, have him help.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm not saying that Cedric Wilson is
Speaker 1: just as good. But like in a pick your poison
Speaker 1: type offense, there's gonna be games where Michael Gallop goes
Speaker 1: to for seventeen and has you don't need the Gallot
Speaker 1: to be successful. As the point, you can be successful
Speaker 1: without Michael Gallop. I mean I think you could. I
Speaker 1: don't want to put this to the test, but you
Speaker 1: could probably be successful without any one of those three.
Speaker 1: As long as you have two of the three, I
Speaker 1: think you're okay. Actually, I will take it one step further,
Speaker 1: And what I'm going to say from now on on
Speaker 1: our show is I don't even want to say. If
Speaker 1: they stay healthy, if Dak stays healthy, yes, they can
Speaker 1: do pretty much what they're doing right now. They have
Speaker 1: they have depth in the right places, and he is
Speaker 1: the trigger man that makes everything go. The defense feeds
Speaker 1: off this offense. The offense feeds off Dad. So if
Speaker 1: Dak is there, I think the sky's the limit for
Speaker 1: this team. And also, to Nick's point, as much as
Speaker 1: last year sucked, how much did it help to get
Speaker 1: some seasoning for those guys who need I mean, is
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele look as good as he looks without just
Speaker 1: getting thrown into the flat fire last year? Guys along
Speaker 1: the defensive front. I know Dorn's Armstrong didn't play in
Speaker 1: this game, but he seems like he's taken a step forward. Uh.
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson got opportunities last year for similar reasons. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think the best. We don't have any other choice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, are we twenty five minutes into the show
Speaker 1: without bringing up Trayvon? Well, We're gonna get to that
Speaker 1: because I got a whole segment we gotta do on
Speaker 1: the defense, and I think it is one of the
Speaker 1: most fascinating turnarounds that I've witnessed with the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: a one year span with young players. Dalton Schultz being
Speaker 1: another one. I mean he is he is a badassah
Speaker 1: And like like a year ago, at this time, we
Speaker 1: were like this guy worth a crap. We were like,
Speaker 1: is he gonna make it out of training camp, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he that might be the most even maybe more
Speaker 1: impressive than Terrence Steele. Uh. And we said all through
Speaker 1: training camp, I was like, it's gonna be a committee.
Speaker 1: They're gonna do this and do that. And Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: still has a role to play. I mean, he's had
Speaker 1: a couple nice catches in every game this year, but
Speaker 1: it's clearly Schultz's show right now, and it should be
Speaker 1: based on what he's doing. And you got a decision
Speaker 1: to make. I mean, I understand. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: you have to talk about he's a free agent. I mean, gallup,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you want to really let him go
Speaker 1: at this point? Let's let's I know, but you I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I I know. I'm I'm just laughing because
Speaker 1: that's the nature of football is you've got to start
Speaker 1: thinking about this stuff. And I'm sure they are still,
Speaker 1: like I'm sure Stephen and Will are thinking about it.
Speaker 1: They have to. They may just be like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: get this thing done in the in the bye week er.
Speaker 1: And then of course his agents smarts like we don't
Speaker 1: think no, We'll wait. Yeah, so you know, and and
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the free agents that that they have
Speaker 1: they have some free agents. It's it is early to
Speaker 1: think about it, but I mean with with Connor Williams
Speaker 1: and Randy Gregory and man Michael Gallup and Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: and Dalton Schultz. I mean, and don't forget this is
Speaker 1: the other part to that. I think both of your
Speaker 1: coordinators might be out the door when you come to
Speaker 1: it offseason. So right now, what I've already decided my mind,
Speaker 1: you better enjoy this year and you better get the
Speaker 1: most you can get out of it. Because the turnaround
Speaker 1: that Quinn has gotten from this defense and what we
Speaker 1: already talked about, what Kelly Moore is doing every week,
Speaker 1: Like if that continues throughout this year, the likelihood that
Speaker 1: those guys get opportunities to go on and be head
Speaker 1: coaches again, or at least for Quinn again, it's pretty strong.
Speaker 1: I'm not everything y'all just said is right, but I
Speaker 1: just hate that we're doing no. But that's the part
Speaker 1: of being nervous, like, oh my god, You've got to
Speaker 1: take advantage of this opportunity because you may not have
Speaker 1: this opportunity once you get past this year. This may
Speaker 1: be one of those years where everything has come together
Speaker 1: at this moment. You better get the most you can
Speaker 1: get out of it because everything may change next year.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit more. I did
Speaker 1: have one more question for you guys on the running backs.
Speaker 1: We look at the split and we've been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about this over the first two weeks, But this game,
Speaker 1: Zeke had twenty touches, Pollard had twelve. It was clear
Speaker 1: to me anyway, even from the beginning of the game,
Speaker 1: before the game began, when Zeke Grant runs out there
Speaker 1: as your offensive captain, that I think they were trying
Speaker 1: to make a statement. Zeke's still very very very important
Speaker 1: what we do, and I expected that they were going
Speaker 1: to ride him, and they absolutely did. Is this more
Speaker 1: of kind of what we probably can't expect throughout the
Speaker 1: year that Zeke still is going to get the bulk
Speaker 1: of the carries. There will be games when Pollard's being
Speaker 1: used a little bit more because of what he offers
Speaker 1: for that particular game, but Zeke is still your main guy. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think this is part of the reason I
Speaker 1: thought last week was so weird. It was the same thing.
Speaker 1: I know, Pollard had more carries and had one hundred
Speaker 1: yards he's still I think he got thirty eight or
Speaker 1: thirty five percent of the snaps last week, and Zeke
Speaker 1: got like sixty five. It was seventy thirty last night.
Speaker 1: It just so happened. Zeke looked more like the work
Speaker 1: horse who took all these probably got more of the
Speaker 1: ball carries. Right, even though he was out there less snap,
Speaker 1: the share of the of the snaps was the same
Speaker 1: as it was last week. And Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: what we can expect. It's always going to fluctuate. It
Speaker 1: could go anywhere from twenty five percent to forty percent,
Speaker 1: but I think Zeke is going to hover between sixty
Speaker 1: and seventy five depending on the game. And I think
Speaker 1: that's right. I think they're playing this exactly the right way.
Speaker 1: I mean, one hundred percent agree with all that. I
Speaker 1: think that. Um, I just I like the way Zeke
Speaker 1: is running the ball right now. I mean he looks
Speaker 1: like a guy that is focused on the fumbles. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's definitely cleaning that up. He's also looked like a
Speaker 1: guy that that when he you know, he looked leaner
Speaker 1: this year and he's running that way. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: you can just kind of tell there's a little bit
Speaker 1: more burst. And and I love what's tappening with Pollard
Speaker 1: because at the end of the year, we've seen Zeke
Speaker 1: I mean, gets a lot of carries and he kind
Speaker 1: of wears him down. Right now, I think these two
Speaker 1: guys together will will help each other. And I mean,
Speaker 1: if Corey Clement can get three carries at the end
Speaker 1: of the game, I mean, and and Cooper rush handon
Speaker 1: in the ball, I mean, that's that's a good sign
Speaker 1: to the d of the game. Um, let's let's move
Speaker 1: to the defensive side of the ball. I want to
Speaker 1: start first, we're talking about Philadelphia strategy. I found this
Speaker 1: shocking when I looked at the post game statistics, uh
Speaker 1: Dallas Hell. Philadelphia to sixty four yards rushing on twelve carries.
Speaker 1: That was a five point three average. But they only
Speaker 1: had two rushing opportunities for their primary back Sanders, and
Speaker 1: one of those was a twenty four yard run. Were
Speaker 1: you as shocked as I was that they didn't get
Speaker 1: their running back more involved in that game and at
Speaker 1: least try it more, even if even if it didn't work.
Speaker 1: It seemed like they were having a hard time getting
Speaker 1: a rhythm and he had one really big run. Are
Speaker 1: you surprised that they didn't use him more? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: surprised that anybody wouldn't try to attack this team on
Speaker 1: the ground after what we saw last year. And clearly
Speaker 1: they're playing much better. But has anybody really and truly
Speaker 1: tested them that way? I mean, Tampa through the ball
Speaker 1: fifty times. It was all Herbert last week. Nobody's really
Speaker 1: committed to that, and the only the only thing I
Speaker 1: can come up with is just that. And I can
Speaker 1: picture a coach saying this, because I've heard Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: do it like a million times. It's just the game
Speaker 1: sort of got away from them. I mean they could
Speaker 1: the Eagles. I mean they could not establish any kind
Speaker 1: of rhythm. I'm looking at three plays, three plays, three plays,
Speaker 1: four plays, five plays. That was their first half, and
Speaker 1: they're down thirteen points and so and now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you gotta change the way you play espect
Speaker 1: and then what the third player the second half, they
Speaker 1: go down twenty because of the pick six. So I
Speaker 1: can picture a coach saying like, oh, the game kind
Speaker 1: of got away from us, but I think you got
Speaker 1: to try it a little bit harder. I mean, not
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are complaining. Yeah, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: know that's not what they want to do and run
Speaker 1: the ball, but I mean Sanders can you know he
Speaker 1: can be effective. I mean, he was a good He's
Speaker 1: been a good back your last couple of years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean with with with the inexperience that they have
Speaker 1: up there, I mean with Osa and you know, well
Speaker 1: they were down so many guys because of Ay in
Speaker 1: the middle of their defensive line. I mean, there's not
Speaker 1: many things. I mean, I'm not saying you should make
Speaker 1: a living testing Michael Parsons, but I do want to
Speaker 1: see what it's like. I mean, I think teams should
Speaker 1: try to run at him and see he's not he
Speaker 1: doesn't have the the build of a normal defensive end.
Speaker 1: He's aggressive, he likes to get up the field. You
Speaker 1: can use that against him sometimes. And I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of curious out now that it's been two full games
Speaker 1: of it, why teams aren't running it a little bit
Speaker 1: more at him? And maybe that will come maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's talk about the time Dlogue gets back in
Speaker 1: there and he's back the linebacker and then run at him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, man, Yeah, it's weird to me. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have a great animal for him. He played
Speaker 1: a nice game and that was a tackle he guy
Speaker 1: for a loss where they ran right at him. I
Speaker 1: thought it was I want to say it was. That
Speaker 1: was a big play. Yeah, it was the second or
Speaker 1: third down. It was it was like it was a
Speaker 1: first it was a second down because it was second
Speaker 1: and two or second one. They just got nine yards
Speaker 1: to to um Ben Sanders. Somebody got nine yards and
Speaker 1: then and then um he made a nice play. I
Speaker 1: thought that was that was one of my five changing
Speaker 1: plays because I mean I thought that that led to
Speaker 1: a punt um and that was one like you're not
Speaker 1: full and me on it. Yeah, But I mean he
Speaker 1: made a handful of like small kind of hidden plays.
Speaker 1: The deflection I think it was on the second down
Speaker 1: in the third quarter led to a punt chase down
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts when he scrambled. I mean it was only
Speaker 1: like a three yard game. It could have gone for
Speaker 1: a lot more. I thought, Yeah, but this, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's talk about I mean that the spy was for
Speaker 1: the most part, was Jalen. I mean, he was the
Speaker 1: spy in the game. And you know, Jalen Hurt Jalen
Speaker 1: on Jalen and Jalen hurts did not really hurt them.
Speaker 1: That sounds weird, but with because Jalen's with him, he
Speaker 1: played well. He played well, and I think our bars
Speaker 1: obviously lower and we're not expecting a lot from him
Speaker 1: or not really sure, especially when it comes to running
Speaker 1: sideline to sideline. I think dan Quinn has got him
Speaker 1: playing better football. I really do. I think this is
Speaker 1: a this is a good set up for him. There
Speaker 1: are you can see flashes of the old Jalen and
Speaker 1: you know, we got four hours asleep. I haven't had
Speaker 1: a chance to watch the game back, but you can go.
Speaker 1: There are plays last night where you can see him
Speaker 1: ruggling to get off of his block or even doing
Speaker 1: that weird thing Jalen does where he seems like he's
Speaker 1: running out of his out of the lane. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he is playing pretty well in the role that Quinn
Speaker 1: is designing for him. And honestly, again without having seen
Speaker 1: it again, it seemed like Jalen was doing whatever kind
Speaker 1: of spying they were doing. Like it wasn't Mica. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Jalen had that responsibility. Every time I heards got out
Speaker 1: of the pocket. There was one guy running him down
Speaker 1: and like more often than not, it didn't go poorly.
Speaker 1: I mean, watching watching him gear up to get out
Speaker 1: to the numbers is an adventure. I don't know how
Speaker 1: else to say it, but but it didn't burn them,
Speaker 1: I guess is the point. I mean, the answer is
Speaker 1: in the numbers. In the last two games, Jalen hurts
Speaker 1: at sixty two yards on the ground against Atlanta, he
Speaker 1: had eighty two against San Francisco. He had thirty five
Speaker 1: last night. So whatever they did seemed to work. And
Speaker 1: a lot of the times, like I said, when you
Speaker 1: found him outside the pocket, it was Jalen Smith who
Speaker 1: was who was chasing him and running him down and
Speaker 1: keeping him from getting very classic hats to the football too.
Speaker 1: There was the one sack where he was like, are
Speaker 1: we giving quarters of a sack out right now? Because
Speaker 1: like Jalen was in there, everybody Osa was in the hour. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I thought for sure we'd seen some swiping going
Speaker 1: on after that. Yeah, he got up. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I don't know if he's kind of just given
Speaker 1: up on the swipe, but he kind of got up
Speaker 1: and he wanted to celebrate and he did something different.
Speaker 1: He didn't swipe, But I haven't really seen the swipe
Speaker 1: this year, and he's had some much swipeable moments. He's
Speaker 1: had at least two or three. You know, he's playing
Speaker 1: I thought. I think he's one of those guys that's
Speaker 1: playing surprisingly okay. And what that means is based upon
Speaker 1: what I thought of him coming into the year. I'm
Speaker 1: not disappointed in his play right now, not at all,
Speaker 1: especially when you ask him when you think about what's
Speaker 1: happened here. Yeah, I mean, I mean because of the
Speaker 1: injuries and everything that's happened to defensive end, Mica has
Speaker 1: been taken away from the linebacker spot and he's had
Speaker 1: to play more, especially in the nickel Kean O'Neil's out
Speaker 1: and basically Parsons was out too. In Layton, vander Esche
Speaker 1: played the nickel down in a game where you know
Speaker 1: that they like to run and throw in the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: mobile and all that, and it did not hurt him,
Speaker 1: So you gotta go hats off to them as well.
Speaker 1: And you know, we get a chance to talk to
Speaker 1: him after the game, you know, and the last two
Speaker 1: weeks he's come over to us and Chris, our producer,
Speaker 1: he's right there and you can just kind of tell Jaalen,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's different. I think he's been
Speaker 1: somewhat humbled with he here's the criticism. He knows. I
Speaker 1: think he's trying to really just put his head down
Speaker 1: and work and and and you know, you gotta give him.
Speaker 1: You gotta give him credit for I think he's played.
Speaker 1: He's played pretty well, and give dan Quinn credit for,
Speaker 1: you know, getting him in a position to do that.
Speaker 1: You look at at Mike we were talking about Michael Parks.
Speaker 1: Did you look at his stat line from last night?
Speaker 1: He had four tackles, half a sack, one tackle for
Speaker 1: a loss, and five quarterback pressures. The quarterback pressures, I
Speaker 1: think is what's so fascinating to me. Um looking at
Speaker 1: Mica at this point, enough of I think I've seen enough.
Speaker 1: But do you I just think at this point you
Speaker 1: would continue to play him at defensive end for as
Speaker 1: long as because he the vast chartist snaps last night,
Speaker 1: we're at defensive end. Do you keep him at defensive
Speaker 1: end now full time until the point where at least
Speaker 1: until Tank is back. That needs to be part of
Speaker 1: what he does, That needs to be a significant part
Speaker 1: of his role every week. But the fun thing is,
Speaker 1: and he said this last night he was asked about it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he played thirty three of his snaps at
Speaker 1: end and he played thirty seven steps. But he's not
Speaker 1: charging up the field every time like he dropped a
Speaker 1: few times. He can get out into the flat. He
Speaker 1: can do some of that stuff. So it's it's more
Speaker 1: it's he's not just making a bee line for the quarterback.
Speaker 1: But that's how they played the DeFi defensive end in
Speaker 1: the scheme. No, I absolutely, but he's well suited for that,
Speaker 1: I guess, is my point. If you want me to
Speaker 1: be honest, when Tank does some of that stuff, I'm like,
Speaker 1: restaurants just go forward. But with Mica, I'm like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you can have some fun with this. You can confuse
Speaker 1: some quarterbacks. You can get a pick that way a
Speaker 1: guy with his athleticism and wait at disguise things that'll come.
Speaker 1: So that absolutely needs to be a huge part of
Speaker 1: his role, but you can kind of tinker with it.
Speaker 1: I still love the idea of him having the versatility
Speaker 1: to do more than just get up field, but he
Speaker 1: clearly needs to be doing a lot of this, at
Speaker 1: least until to Marcus Lawrence is healthy again. All right.
Speaker 1: What we're gonna do is gonna take this final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to talk about the
Speaker 1: other two young guys on this defense, Trayvon Diggs and
Speaker 1: Olsa Odigi Zuwa. They are playing phenomenal football right now,
Speaker 1: and so we'll talk a little bit about them and
Speaker 1: what they did last night and what they're looking what
Speaker 1: they're doing for this defense overall this season. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: Cowboys win. They beat the Philadelphia Eagles forty one to
Speaker 1: twenty one. Let's talk about those defensive players. Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: last night, man, I don't even know what you really
Speaker 1: say about this guy. He's had three interceptions in three games.
Speaker 1: First time a Cowboy player has done that to start
Speaker 1: a season since Everson Walls. That goes back away. In
Speaker 1: addition to that, you got a guy like Osa Odiggi
Speaker 1: Zoo had four tackles, one and a half sacks, one
Speaker 1: tackle for a loss. You look at those two guys
Speaker 1: combined with Michael Parsons, and you look at this defense
Speaker 1: and you say, you know, you add in a Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn and all of a sudden, this defense is playing
Speaker 1: really really good football. And there what's really making them,
Speaker 1: I think, really good is the fact they're turning the
Speaker 1: ball over like they're taking the ball away from teams.
Speaker 1: And really, you listen to Mike McCarthy says, they've been
Speaker 1: doing this since last year. I'm impressive as this coop
Speaker 1: into you so far incredibly And I actually I thought
Speaker 1: about this last night. I can hear myself at some
Speaker 1: point in the offseason because you talk about you gotta
Speaker 1: go from worse to middle of the pack in one year,
Speaker 1: and how realistic is that really? And you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess if they I guess if just everything hits
Speaker 1: I guess if these bargain bin free agents are actually good,
Speaker 1: and I guess if they hit on a bunch of
Speaker 1: draft picks, maybe they can turn this thing around quickly.
Speaker 1: And lo and behold, like, what what's happening right now?
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons is a dude OsO DIGGI zoo as a
Speaker 1: dude underrated, Jeron Curse and Demante Casey. Throw Malie Cooker
Speaker 1: in there too. I tweeted this last night. They gave
Speaker 1: those guys a million dollars in guarantees combine. They were
Speaker 1: I mean, no money, nothing, and that's in the spring.
Speaker 1: I looked at it and I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: they're kind of showing you how much faith they have
Speaker 1: in these guys based on what they were willing to
Speaker 1: pay them, and they're all playing like studs. Throw in
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs, who we kind of had an inkling. He
Speaker 1: looked great in training camp. He was their best dB
Speaker 1: last year. And it just low and behold, like it
Speaker 1: never happens like this where it all comes together in
Speaker 1: one year, But that's what's happening right now. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to take anything away from the defense,
Speaker 1: but I really believe that this starts with the offense.
Speaker 1: The offense has helped this defense become better. And it's because,
Speaker 1: unlike last year, the offense is getting off to fast starts.
Speaker 1: They're scoring early. Their score I mean not even even
Speaker 1: in the Tampa game they didn't they moved the ball. Well,
Speaker 1: they didn't score that game, but then the second drive
Speaker 1: they did, they stayed in it. They were right in
Speaker 1: that mix. Of course, the last two games they've scored.
Speaker 1: I think that's really helping the defense. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to take him away what
Speaker 1: they're doing. And then this is three games in a
Speaker 1: row they've got to turnover inside the two yard line,
Speaker 1: either in the end zone or the two yards that's
Speaker 1: protecting the goal line. I mean, they had that fumble
Speaker 1: of Tampa, the interception against the Chargers last weekday interception
Speaker 1: which led to a touchdown. Yeah. The other way, it
Speaker 1: sucks for Anthony Brown that he finally makes a big
Speaker 1: play and gets people off his back a little bit
Speaker 1: and it leads to, you know, the best play of
Speaker 1: Philly's night probably Yeah. I mean, if he was a
Speaker 1: little chunkier, he probably would have been in the end zone.
Speaker 1: But then against hard to play, Yeah, just cheak here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he had an ass nice who were you talking about?
Speaker 1: What you said Leary was Ron Leary? I just no, there,
Speaker 1: and I think you're absolutely right. I mean, there it is.
Speaker 1: Here we go having an offense that can dictate the
Speaker 1: pace and the flow of the game. And I mean
Speaker 1: the Eagles were on their heels from the moment this
Speaker 1: game started, and I think that does matter. But I
Speaker 1: also think this defense just has some swag to it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, obviously Micah did kazy curse. I mean, curse
Speaker 1: is over there, mixing it up with the whole Eagles
Speaker 1: sidelines like waving by at him, which I love me too.
Speaker 1: M Trayvon Digs. He's he's fun man, and I mean
Speaker 1: the pick is one thing, but he just he contested
Speaker 1: every ball that went his way. And that's why I
Speaker 1: hate the tawning penalty because he knocks that ball down
Speaker 1: and just like flex is on the guy like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go. It's just it's fun. It's fun to
Speaker 1: see guys play without much confidence. Let's talk about can
Speaker 1: I can I get it like two minutes here, which
Speaker 1: might guy, I'm sorry to dell it, But if we're
Speaker 1: talking about swag, I mean, you know, it's not just
Speaker 1: with the players. I loved what we were able to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys, America's team, and we get
Speaker 1: people to take shots at us all the time every week.
Speaker 1: I like, how we you know what, we fought back
Speaker 1: and they didn't say anything about that damn T shirt
Speaker 1: all week long. And then as soon as that game's over,
Speaker 1: our social media team we were ready. I mean, and everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody's been talking about it. Well played and all that's
Speaker 1: been a lot of you know, it was classy, was
Speaker 1: done very well. Kudos to you, you, Shannon, that whole
Speaker 1: social team, because you know we're the Cowboys. We don't
Speaker 1: even taking that every every time I thought, I thought
Speaker 1: they did a great job, and yes we play Philly again,
Speaker 1: deal with it. It was it was actually and I
Speaker 1: don't I don't take any credfit. It was the social team.
Speaker 1: It was Audrey west Kind, it was enough on it.
Speaker 1: It was Presley Arians and we And that's the thing
Speaker 1: when they brought it to me, initially, my first thought was,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we haven't done this. This is not
Speaker 1: something we typically do because our brand is not it
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily work with our brand like, that's not been
Speaker 1: our brand because, like you said, every team takes shots
Speaker 1: at us all the time, and it happens on social
Speaker 1: media so much, and we just kind of just let
Speaker 1: it go because you know, that's kind of the brand.
Speaker 1: But we were like, you know, this is entertainment. Let's
Speaker 1: have some fun. And the great part about it was
Speaker 1: the people I talked to within the organization. Everybody was
Speaker 1: kind of on the same page, like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's go have some fun. This is entertainment. Let's go
Speaker 1: have some fun. What it should and uh, and let's
Speaker 1: just see what happens that. And it worked out that
Speaker 1: crew works really hard. They worked hard. They worked long
Speaker 1: after and you know we all do, but they really
Speaker 1: do there to come up with it, you got to
Speaker 1: come up with stuff all the time. So I thought
Speaker 1: that that was well played. I just wanted to give
Speaker 1: them some shout out the way that the way that
Speaker 1: they scratching, like they go, oh, I sound like Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: Oh no, do it? They scratching, claw and fight. But
Speaker 1: the problem is, did it too. I'll tell you anything.
Speaker 1: They can be. They could be the best in the
Speaker 1: world at their jobs. But if the team sucks, it ain't.
Speaker 1: There's nothing they can do about it. So they are
Speaker 1: at the mercy of how good the team is and
Speaker 1: for you know, to fight through how awful last year
Speaker 1: was and like everything they do is just getting met
Speaker 1: with derision. I hope you can appreciate as cool as
Speaker 1: you thought the shirt graphic was. That means everything to
Speaker 1: a social team who was just like, yes, a win,
Speaker 1: like a win on the field, but a win for us.
Speaker 1: We get to do something fun and kind of revel
Speaker 1: in it. It's just great and real quick before you
Speaker 1: get to your point, we all lived through that in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. It was a year win that there was
Speaker 1: We got to do so much cool stuff because the
Speaker 1: team was young, they were fresh, they were winning, and
Speaker 1: they were doing it in a flashy way. So it
Speaker 1: allowed us to take everything we did to a whole
Speaker 1: different level. And we're doing Finish this fight videos and
Speaker 1: we're doing Zeke eaton videos, breakfast club and sting and
Speaker 1: it's it's going crazy. Like that's the beauty of this business.
Speaker 1: When you get a great season. When you think about
Speaker 1: college teams that they have great you know, video department
Speaker 1: stuff like that, colle the best teams, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but there is one out there in Colorado State or
Speaker 1: something like that that doesn't do well, but they have
Speaker 1: great It's hard to do it when you're when you're winning.
Speaker 1: But you said that about I sound like Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: I think I wrote something. I was like, he's just
Speaker 1: getting better right in front of our own eyes. I
Speaker 1: was like, it's not too big, it's not too big.
Speaker 1: You can't see the steam coming out of his ears
Speaker 1: real quick. How impressive is this defensive performance when you
Speaker 1: consider all the guys that they don't have right now,
Speaker 1: when you think about the fact they're without Tank, they're
Speaker 1: without Joseph Gallimore, Neil Watkins, Gallop and not There are
Speaker 1: a ton of guys right now that they are not
Speaker 1: that they don't have because of injury, because of COVID,
Speaker 1: and they're still being able to put together some really
Speaker 1: great games, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: How much better will they be once they're at full strength?
Speaker 1: But way better, I mean you should be, especially with Gallimore.
Speaker 1: I think that's a big one right there. Um, maybe
Speaker 1: Tristan Hills Galisa. I like that defensive combination there in
Speaker 1: the middle. I love it. I get I'll take this
Speaker 1: because I haven't. I haven't been a downer today, have
Speaker 1: I No, But I'll tell I mean, I just I
Speaker 1: kind of ride the fence a little bit. They've been great.
Speaker 1: I don't talked about the half time yet. I just
Speaker 1: they they've been solid and it has been impressive. What
Speaker 1: they don't have, the way they're making do um. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm I don't know. I'm not ready to crown
Speaker 1: them yet. I think that just fine. I don't think
Speaker 1: highly of that Philly team. They should have won that
Speaker 1: game comfortably. And then the chunk players are there. I mean,
Speaker 1: Herbert did it. Some of it got waved off by flags,
Speaker 1: but the chunk players were there. Week two. The week
Speaker 1: one the Eagles hit them for You can kind of
Speaker 1: expect that. But it's been a common theme across all
Speaker 1: three weeks. I have a much easier time tolerating it
Speaker 1: at Tampa and at LA as opposed to home against
Speaker 1: a not that special Philadelphia offense. Again, not trying to
Speaker 1: take too much shine off of them, but like cover
Speaker 1: a tight end maybe, I mean tight end crossing routes
Speaker 1: killed them last night. So there were just a few.
Speaker 1: And when I say chunk, I mean a chunk play
Speaker 1: can be fifteen yards, but they had some thirty five,
Speaker 1: twenty five, probably even a forty yard gain in there.
Speaker 1: So I just know it's not Doomsday two point zero.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm trying to say yet. But you know,
Speaker 1: I also think of that, and I think part of
Speaker 1: that from in my mind at least. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is accurate, but in my mind I look
Speaker 1: at I say that is to me, maybe I can
Speaker 1: put that on the fact that when you have a
Speaker 1: coordinator who kind of knows how he wants to do things,
Speaker 1: and if you're getting by the way, they haven't had
Speaker 1: so many chunk plays that it's really hurt them. They've
Speaker 1: given up a few. So what that says to me
Speaker 1: is maybe there were just sometimes when the call was
Speaker 1: just the call that doesn't work against what they're doing offensively,
Speaker 1: and then you get a chunk play. I'm willing to
Speaker 1: give them that because they've been way better on most plays,
Speaker 1: and especially when they get in the red zone they
Speaker 1: tend to stiffen up. So I'm kind of and I
Speaker 1: gotta give them a little bit of a pass on that.
Speaker 1: I think people lose sight of the fact too, that
Speaker 1: you're gonna give those up. It's the NFL. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna give up three hundred, three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty yards. I mean the yards have to come from somewhere.
Speaker 1: So I get that, and I will say it might
Speaker 1: it might not matter how quote unquote good they are
Speaker 1: if they keep playing this opportunistically, like, give up as
Speaker 1: many chunk plays as you want. If you get me
Speaker 1: two takeaways a week every week, which that's when you're
Speaker 1: not turning to the ball over right, I mean that's
Speaker 1: a big ask. But defend the goal line, which as
Speaker 1: Nick pointed out, they've been great at, and forced takeaways.
Speaker 1: I mean the rest will sort itself out. Ye, all right,
Speaker 1: we got to get to the topic we've been talking
Speaker 1: about a lot of great happened last night. We do
Speaker 1: because I think it's fair because, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: in the game last night, this moment was probably the
Speaker 1: moment that most fans had the largest problem with. Most
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans had the biggest problem with. You're getting to
Speaker 1: the end of the half, and basically most fans wanted
Speaker 1: to see Mike McCarthy use one or two of his
Speaker 1: timeouts there at the end of that game or the
Speaker 1: end of that half to give the offense and opportunity
Speaker 1: to be able to see if maybe they could get
Speaker 1: down the field. I personally thought it was a mistake
Speaker 1: not to do it. And again, I think when it
Speaker 1: comes to this kind of stuff, it's all a matter
Speaker 1: of preference. You're up twenty seven, so I get where
Speaker 1: the coach is like, hey, you know it's it's it's
Speaker 1: one of the things I felt good about where we were.
Speaker 1: Didn't fuck we needed to press it. Okay, fine, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree with that, but that's a personal preference.
Speaker 1: I look at and say that they probably should have
Speaker 1: done it. What were your thoughts on what they did?
Speaker 1: They're heading into the end of the half. Well, I
Speaker 1: you know, I like to talk all the time up
Speaker 1: in the press box. I'm trying to coach, and you know,
Speaker 1: act like I know anything. That one just I'll tell
Speaker 1: you I didn't. It didn't stand out to me. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't senting there saying time out, time out. I
Speaker 1: didn't have a problem with it, certainly, not as much
Speaker 1: as other people do. I looked at it more kind
Speaker 1: of the same way. I'm kind of content with this
Speaker 1: one thing. I didn't like was. They were running it great,
Speaker 1: they were moving the ball, very balanced, and that setting
Speaker 1: you're gonna get penned back probably inside your own ten.
Speaker 1: The center can't, the center's having problems, the left guards
Speaker 1: having problems. If there anything that could go wrong here,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't think it needed to do it.
Speaker 1: So I saw his point, and I'll just say this. Coaches,
Speaker 1: they're gonna look at it. They're gonna view it, and
Speaker 1: they say, you know what, I'm okay with this. They're
Speaker 1: lucky to have seven points. We gave them seven. We
Speaker 1: keep doing what we're doing in the second half, we're
Speaker 1: gonna blow this team out. So I'm not gonna give
Speaker 1: them anything cheap here. I'm fine, let's get out out
Speaker 1: of here. And I for this case, I'm okay with it,
Speaker 1: but I know that not everybody agrees, actually honestly, and
Speaker 1: I'm stubborn to a fault. But you made that point
Speaker 1: to me right before we came downstairs, and I'm I've
Speaker 1: like been marinating on it this whole time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can I can see the logic here that I mean,
Speaker 1: it should have been a moral It was a caveat
Speaker 1: to it, but well it should have been a more
Speaker 1: lopsided score. I mean, yeah, they like they dominated that
Speaker 1: first half. They should have scored on the sneak bs
Speaker 1: by the refs. Just terrible luck by Anthony Brown's I mean,
Speaker 1: it could have been twenty seven seven going into half.
Speaker 1: It's entirely possible. Mike McCarthy looked at him. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're murdering these guys, and schre didn't even reflect how
Speaker 1: bad were murdering them. And so I get that at
Speaker 1: the same time, but I can't. I just I want
Speaker 1: to play aggressive and dictate the game all the time,
Speaker 1: and I can't one hundred percent reconcile. If you look
Speaker 1: at it, if they use the timeouts or at least
Speaker 1: one of them, you're probably get and dacked the ball
Speaker 1: back with a little over a minute to play. And
Speaker 1: the way he's been playing, you gotta change. I mean
Speaker 1: we said this last week, he's probably gonna get points
Speaker 1: if you give him the ball. All things can say.
Speaker 1: It's a good I want I'm not betting against him
Speaker 1: to get you points. And so the opportunity to go
Speaker 1: kind of steal a possession there, especially knowing you don't
Speaker 1: get the ball coming out a halftime it's just too
Speaker 1: attempting for me to pass up the one thing I'll say,
Speaker 1: And Nick I mentioned this to you before we went
Speaker 1: on the air. I think what's not being talked about here.
Speaker 1: Everybody's thinking they should have taken the time out when
Speaker 1: they got to fourth and five to stop the clock
Speaker 1: around a minute. I actually think where they should have
Speaker 1: done something different is to play before that they would
Speaker 1: have had they would have been able to stop the
Speaker 1: clock around one forty maybe one forty five at third
Speaker 1: and twenty four. Because your concern was, Hey, if I
Speaker 1: give him that time out when it's fourth and five,
Speaker 1: do they decide to go for it? Am I giving
Speaker 1: them an opportunity for them to kind of reset, think
Speaker 1: about what they want to do, and maybe decide they
Speaker 1: want to go for it third and twenty four. You're
Speaker 1: not worried about that. Third and twenty four says to me.
Speaker 1: This is probably insurmountable for them. Let me saved some
Speaker 1: time because most likely I'm getting the ball back here,
Speaker 1: and if I got if you stop stop it at
Speaker 1: one forty or one forty five, I feel really good,
Speaker 1: even if they pin you back at the tin. I
Speaker 1: feel really good that my quarterback has the ability to
Speaker 1: get me down at least into field goal range with
Speaker 1: one forty one thirty somewhere like that to be able
Speaker 1: to get a field goal before the hat. Okay, and
Speaker 1: you're and you're right, I've kind of done the math.
Speaker 1: You call the time out, and third after second down
Speaker 1: you call the time out. Again, Let's just say they
Speaker 1: did everything that they did. They punt it. They punt
Speaker 1: it from you know, midfield, so you're probably getting in
Speaker 1: I don't know they got around the tin, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: they got the same field about minute ten, probably more
Speaker 1: than than I'm guessing, more like about minute twenty five.
Speaker 1: Minute okay, minute twenty five at your own ten. Knowing
Speaker 1: what's happened, all you need is a field goal. What
Speaker 1: is your play calls? There? Though, because because I'm not
Speaker 1: I do it. I do it the same way that
Speaker 1: you've seen all these successful quarterbacks do it. At the
Speaker 1: end of the game or the end of the I'm
Speaker 1: taking what you'll give me on the outside, So i
Speaker 1: may do a five yard out to a tight end,
Speaker 1: and then I'm just getting little chunks here and there
Speaker 1: until I can ease myself down or I get this
Speaker 1: one shot where I can get us down. And that's
Speaker 1: what typically happens. You dink and dunk a few times,
Speaker 1: you get them to bite just a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then you can pop one that gets you down into field.
Speaker 1: Go wrong. And by the way, listening to this, coach
Speaker 1: your kickers, Yeah right, yeah, fifty sixty yard or eight yarder,
Speaker 1: like you can't get eighty yarder? Yeah. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, so get me down to the whatever do
Speaker 1: they believe in? Be honest, because he do they believe in?
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, you're you got first and ten
Speaker 1: on your own eight yard line and you're back there
Speaker 1: and you've got this game and control what can go wrong.
Speaker 1: And that's all I'm saying is. And to go back
Speaker 1: to my point, I'm not saying you carry this this
Speaker 1: book and this is how I coach football every game,
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be other games that you're He's got
Speaker 1: a front row seat, looks at it and goes, we're
Speaker 1: gonna score. We're gonna score in the second half. We're
Speaker 1: gonna score. We have to put it on. But in
Speaker 1: this game, it's like, if we don't f this thing up,
Speaker 1: we're gonna blow him out. Look, I get that because
Speaker 1: ultimately he probably looks at it like, unless we give
Speaker 1: them cheap touchdowns, they're not going to drive the field
Speaker 1: on it, right, Like, they're not going to do that.
Speaker 1: That's not something that's not something that they are capable
Speaker 1: of doing the way we're playing right now. So I
Speaker 1: get that. I'm just thinking it's more of a philosophy.
Speaker 1: And I think when you have a team like this
Speaker 1: that is as good as they are offensively, I think
Speaker 1: they can make up for if you should have a
Speaker 1: bad moment. I think they can make up for that.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I'm like, I want to be
Speaker 1: aggressive every single week. Yeah, as offensive And by the way,
Speaker 1: that's been the m since he's got here, they've been aggressive.
Speaker 1: So why in this moment did they all of a
Speaker 1: sudden say, let's not be aggressive, just give me some consistency.
Speaker 1: Well to next point, maybe he felt that strongly about
Speaker 1: how favorable they have the second half looked for them.
Speaker 1: I lean toward agreeing with you, like, that's my every
Speaker 1: instinct is to just be aggressive, especially when you have
Speaker 1: a quarterback like this. But I can at least see
Speaker 1: the logic of like, if you just look at everything
Speaker 1: that happened in the first half feel pretty comfortable that
Speaker 1: if you just don't do anything stupid, yeah, probably gonna
Speaker 1: win the game. But you know the part of game
Speaker 1: management is it's like it's the game within the game,
Speaker 1: and every week you have to be able to adapt.
Speaker 1: And so I hope he doesn't. And I'm not sitting
Speaker 1: here saying don't don't be aggressive, because there's you know,
Speaker 1: unless you're you know, fossil and let you know, let's
Speaker 1: you ask the fans if they want to be aggressive.
Speaker 1: But you know, but there have been moments. Now I
Speaker 1: guess and this is the part probably that makes me
Speaker 1: more like, I don't know if they did the right.
Speaker 1: Thing is this isn't the first time that we've questioned
Speaker 1: game management. We've questioned it a lot last year. We've
Speaker 1: questioned it in pretty much every game this year. The
Speaker 1: half has been not pretty much no this and that's
Speaker 1: more so than what happened here. The theme is what
Speaker 1: bothers yea three for three into the half in Tampa,
Speaker 1: into the game in La into the half here at home.
Speaker 1: And the even more remarkable than that is that none
Speaker 1: of the three decisions have bit them in the ass.
Speaker 1: Yet really you're looking at for if you think about
Speaker 1: the end of the half and against the Chargers, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know it was Fossil that wanted to but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean either just where he could have called it
Speaker 1: off and said no, no, no, give us the football.
Speaker 1: None of it has bit them yet and it will
Speaker 1: it's going to. And so that's what bothers me more
Speaker 1: so than whether or not this was the right call
Speaker 1: is I'm just like you are showing a very consistent
Speaker 1: theme of, in my opinion, not handling the end of
Speaker 1: these halfs very well. And eventually it will catch up
Speaker 1: to you. You know. The funny of those four things
Speaker 1: we talked about it, two of them have been overly
Speaker 1: aggressive sixty yard or just kicking. He can't make anything,
Speaker 1: but he'll hit He'll hit this one, and then the
Speaker 1: other one. You know, we'll just go block the point
Speaker 1: and which we haven't done in six years or whatever,
Speaker 1: but let's just do it. And then the other two
Speaker 1: we're like, ah, you know what, Chargers, he's gonna make
Speaker 1: this fifty six yard or we don't get any more yards.
Speaker 1: We don't the end of the half. Here, we're good
Speaker 1: twenty seven. So it's like it's four things and two
Speaker 1: of them have been really aggressive when I've been not aggressive,
Speaker 1: and like you said, it hasn't been them yet, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you wonder it. You're gonna ask them games where you're
Speaker 1: gonna have some really tough opponents and those kind of
Speaker 1: things will matter this week. I mean, this team, they're
Speaker 1: three and oh they're three and oh tell me those
Speaker 1: three I know Jets in Houston. I'm missing sing the
Speaker 1: Saint Yeah, which is a very quality human. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But now, of course they had Christian McCaffrey, which we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that tomorrow. Without Christian McCaffrey, how much
Speaker 1: has that changed this team because that's what they did
Speaker 1: all last year and it didn't work out well for them.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk about that tomorrow. Actually, we'll get into
Speaker 1: the whole offense chart I'm sorry, the Carolina Panther offense
Speaker 1: versus Cowboys defense, while Bucky coming and join us as well.
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