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Speaker 3: here with Isaiah stand back here with John Machoda. I
Speaker 3: am Josh Rodriguez filling in for Kyle Yeomans who's out.
Speaker 3: And also Nick Harris is not here today. What I
Speaker 3: don't know the heck. He just decided to do twenty
Speaker 3: hours of radio over the weekend and then like not
Speaker 3: come back.
Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare He sent him some tea?
Speaker 3: But uh uh it is uh the draft is over, guys.
Speaker 3: We actually have our twenty twenty four Dallas Cowboys draft
Speaker 3: class lots to discuss there. We got Zeke to discuss.
Speaker 3: So how are we feeling?
Speaker 1: Guys? I was gonna ask you the same question, how
Speaker 1: am I feeling? How are you feeling?
Speaker 3: I'm cautiously optimistic cautiously optimist. Cautiously optimistic. I think it's
Speaker 3: a well let's get into it, let's do it. Let's
Speaker 3: get into it right.
Speaker 1: And that is a nice hoodie by the way.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank John, How I'm good. I'm good. I was
Speaker 5: a little disappointed that Nixt not here. I wanted to
Speaker 5: give him some props for how good of a job
Speaker 5: I thought that they.
Speaker 3: Did incredible, really good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, ye. It's funny because we are in
Speaker 5: a media workroom on the other side of the building.
Speaker 5: Why the draft's going on, all the other reporters and
Speaker 5: being around anybody for that, especially that entire Saturday, like yeah,
Speaker 5: and get annoying. And you can at least get out
Speaker 5: of the room and walk around. But if you're in
Speaker 5: the draft show, you got to go. You know, you
Speaker 5: got it. You have to be there for all the picks,
Speaker 5: and that that day can be a real, a real workout.
Speaker 5: So I don't I don't envy them on that Saturday.
Speaker 3: No, And if you're watching, they're eating between they just trying.
Speaker 5: To do standing up, trying to walk around and stuff exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but shots of them and then also Chris
Speaker 3: Beam in the back.
Speaker 5: From oh yeah, everything you guys did a great Jobamer.
Speaker 3: Rolling all that beautiful beam footage try. Yeah, he did
Speaker 3: a great job, and Jazz as well. I mean, they
Speaker 3: just just killed it.
Speaker 1: I think. You know, Beamer has to do work for
Speaker 1: every single pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, that's crazy, every single one. Dude's killing it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, on the daily and they had and you guys
Speaker 5: had a lot of good stuff with Saturday morning before
Speaker 5: day three started, uh, with a lot of the members
Speaker 5: of the scouting staff in here talking about some of
Speaker 5: the picks and something. A lot of a lot of
Speaker 5: great content. Yeah, I mean, but the Draft shows it's
Speaker 5: always been great, so I know I'm not saying anything
Speaker 5: new to anybody that's watched it, but yeah, they did
Speaker 5: a great job this year.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course. And it's funny like, even before
Speaker 3: I was even working here, my favorite thing to do
Speaker 3: was to listen to the Draft Show. Like, not even
Speaker 3: like a Homer take or anything like that. I would
Speaker 3: genuinely take my whole weekend and listen to all of
Speaker 3: the content. I would just drive around and listen to
Speaker 3: the Draft Show, especially Dallascawis dot Com. No commercials, you know,
Speaker 3: it was great. I loved it. And then to be
Speaker 3: kind of behind the scenes watching it. You know how
Speaker 3: the sausage is made. Loved it, man, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: great experience. Isaiah's bored with me.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
Speaker 3: Let's get to the draft.
Speaker 1: Gilling my lungs with oxygen exactly, all right?
Speaker 3: So round one, pick twenty nine, Tyler Guidon, offensive tackle
Speaker 3: from Oklahoma, Round two, Marshawn Neeland defensive end, Western Michigan.
Speaker 3: Round three, Cooper beb offensive line, Kansas State. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: like that one. Then we had Maris Lufoul linebacker notre
Speaker 3: team with in the third round, Caitlin Carson cornerback Wake
Speaker 3: Forest in the fifth round, of Ryan florinoy wide receiver
Speaker 3: Southeast Missouri State sixth round. Then Nathan Thomas offensive tackle
Speaker 3: Louisyanna Lafayette in the seventh round, and then finally Justin
Speaker 3: Rodgers defensive tackle tackle from Auburn in the seventh round,
Speaker 3: two hundred and forty fourth pick.
Speaker 1: So that is our.
Speaker 3: Rookie class, Gretz, I don't want you guys to grade this.
Speaker 3: I hate grading classes. How do we feel?
Speaker 6: Just a gut feeling, I honestly feel while I was
Speaker 6: watching it, Okay, I was actually at a former NFL
Speaker 6: players event put on by an NFL PA, and I
Speaker 6: was watching it. They were talking, but I'm literally watching
Speaker 6: the screen the whole time because I'm interested in what's
Speaker 6: going on.
Speaker 1: And I am relatively proud about what the Cowboys did, I.
Speaker 3: Especially the consciously optimistic Relatively, I'm.
Speaker 1: Relatively proud because.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm proud of the fact that they moved back
Speaker 6: and acquired what they needed.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, did they.
Speaker 6: Miss out on somebody who could have came in and
Speaker 6: had an immediate impact. Absolutely, Absolutely, everybody knows that that
Speaker 6: was the pick. But they went back and got a
Speaker 6: third and I think that was huge. And I think
Speaker 6: the conversations were having, you know, former players. You know,
Speaker 6: guys have their opinions, very opinionated, and I'm like, there's
Speaker 6: not enough cash.
Speaker 1: There's not enough cash.
Speaker 6: You go get who you want on the open market,
Speaker 6: and you've missed the major wave of that. Anyways, you
Speaker 6: have to acquire picks. So for them to actually acknowledge that,
Speaker 6: I feel like they are really facing themselves in the
Speaker 6: mirror and making some very sound and mature decisions this
Speaker 6: year in regards to the organization as a whole and
Speaker 6: moving back and acquiring another pick and the third was
Speaker 6: huge for them, and then I think they got they
Speaker 6: addressed some of their needs. Going into this draft, we
Speaker 6: knew they weren't going to be able to address every
Speaker 6: single hole. There was twenty gaps, but I think they
Speaker 6: did a good job of saying, Okay, you know what,
Speaker 6: we can't address everything, but let's at least feel really
Speaker 6: good about one about one aspect of our team, and
Speaker 6: that was the offensive line.
Speaker 1: And I'm very proud that they did that.
Speaker 5: I would I'm just telling some friends this the other day,
Speaker 5: even before the draft starts, I don't even need to
Speaker 5: know which players are out there. If you tell me
Speaker 5: that my team has the twenty fourth pick in the draft,
Speaker 5: and before the draft even starts, you go, well, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna move you back to twenty nine, but I'm gonna
Speaker 5: also give you an early third. I really don't even
Speaker 5: need to know out there. I think I'm taking it
Speaker 5: every time. And so for them to get on the
Speaker 5: clock and make that move, they could easily taken Tyler
Speaker 5: Guyton at twenty four and people have been like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it makes sense. He was the next best offensive tackle
Speaker 5: on the board. I think Graham Barton is probably the
Speaker 5: one across the board. More people would have the higher
Speaker 5: great on cleaner prospect probably steps in right away and
Speaker 5: are less question marks. But you could easily have taken
Speaker 5: guit In there. But then to move back to twenty
Speaker 5: nine and then get that early third and to use
Speaker 5: it on a guy like Cooper Bebe who he could
Speaker 5: be your center if that doesn't work out, he could
Speaker 5: be Zach Martin's air parent at right guard. And then
Speaker 5: so that was the other part of it, because I
Speaker 5: look at twenty fourteen draft class with Zach Martin to
Speaker 5: Marcus Lawrence, they both are entering the final years of
Speaker 5: their contracts. Hey, I'm not saying this their final year
Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, but it might be. And if it is,
Speaker 5: you with BB with Kneeland in the second round, you've
Speaker 5: addressed guys that, hey, we have to get more depth,
Speaker 5: we have to get talent at those positions because we
Speaker 5: could have some serious holes there the following year. In
Speaker 5: that being said, the one part that I did like
Speaker 5: is just the running back thing, because I felt like,
Speaker 5: I don't just judge it off of this draft class.
Speaker 5: I judge off the last two and for you not
Speaker 5: to get a running back in the second, third, fourth,
Speaker 5: fifth round each of these past two drafts. I just
Speaker 5: see it. As you know, after the draft, they talk
Speaker 5: about how like, well, you know, when we got on
Speaker 5: the board, there just wasn't there wasn't a running back
Speaker 5: there that we like more than the player we drafted,
Speaker 5: And I get that, but also it shows you how
Speaker 5: you value the running back position, and I just I'm
Speaker 5: getting the feeling about running back the same way I
Speaker 5: felt about this team for a while that safety, where
Speaker 5: it was like not only were they not really interested
Speaker 5: in doing much at safety, it was like nobody in
Speaker 5: the league was doing less at safety than the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of where they've gotten with running back.
Speaker 5: But as Jerry mentioned after the draft, I don't think
Speaker 5: that they're done at running back. It's one of those
Speaker 5: things where they could go into the season and if
Speaker 5: no one's really emerging, they their hand could be forced
Speaker 5: ray to make a move, kind of like they did
Speaker 5: for a Marii Cooper in twenty nineteen. The only thing is, though,
Speaker 5: is that you're not gonna have to give up a
Speaker 5: one to get a veteran running back from another team.
Speaker 5: That's the one thing. Much like safety, if you're going
Speaker 5: to devalue certain positions. I get it because of the
Speaker 5: way the market is at them. But it's one of
Speaker 5: those things where I didn't expect them to do much,
Speaker 5: but I expected them to do more than where we
Speaker 5: sit today.
Speaker 3: But I think it's without that fourth round pick. I
Speaker 3: think that was really it. That's when you saw those
Speaker 3: running backs flying off the board.
Speaker 5: Makes me think even if they had the fourth round
Speaker 5: or they weren't taking a running back, really yeah, I
Speaker 5: think they would have. I think of no matter if
Speaker 5: you if you devalue the position to a certain extent,
Speaker 5: I think that you can talk yourself out of anything
Speaker 5: if you can talk yourself into another player there. There
Speaker 5: could have been another offensive lineman there. They talk ab
Speaker 5: outgrade the offensive line classes. You could have taken a
Speaker 5: defensive tackle there, could have taken a corner maybe early
Speaker 5: earlier than yeah earlier. Yeah, right, So I think that
Speaker 5: they could have talked themselves out of any of those
Speaker 5: those I don't think they loved any of them, to
Speaker 5: be honest with you, I don't think they loved any
Speaker 5: of the running backs last year either.
Speaker 3: Well, and you also have to think that the Zekil
Speaker 3: Elliott talk was pretty prominent. Before the draft even started,
Speaker 3: and I think that was sort of the writing on
Speaker 3: the wall. Yeah, even coming out of the draft. Even
Speaker 3: Jor Jones even said that, I think in the first
Speaker 3: presser after they picked Tyler Gotten was that very much
Speaker 3: he thinks Zeke is still a starter in the NFL.
Speaker 3: So I think the running was on the wall even
Speaker 3: before the draft.
Speaker 5: For sure. But I just think that there's a decent
Speaker 5: chance that I'm not gonna say it's less than fifty percent,
Speaker 5: but there's there's somewhat of a chance that the leading
Speaker 5: rusher for the Dallas Cowboys in twenty twenty four still
Speaker 5: is even on the roster.
Speaker 7: Yet.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. And he even said in the
Speaker 3: draft sort of post mortem, was that, you know, he's
Speaker 3: seen teams that have won the Super Bowl that have
Speaker 3: shoed for a running back mid season.
Speaker 5: I mean, heck, you just look at the teams that
Speaker 5: won Super Bowl the last few years. I mean, the
Speaker 5: Chiefs have got it done with a late round pick,
Speaker 5: and but checko, you look at that Rams team they
Speaker 5: had Sony Michelle and Cam Akers and then the year
Speaker 5: before that one or maybe you gotta go two years
Speaker 5: to go to twenty twenty with the with the Patriot,
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry. With the Bucks, they signed Leonard
Speaker 5: Fournette like in September, right before that season started, and
Speaker 5: he ended up being there. I mean, he was a
Speaker 5: really good piece for that team. So I think there
Speaker 5: could still be some moving pieces at running back.
Speaker 6: I'm not tripping on the running back no, like I'm
Speaker 6: really because it goes back to what I've always stated.
Speaker 6: If you have a beast of an offensive line, most
Speaker 6: running backs are fully capable of running where they're supposed
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: There's not you could probably name on one hand in
Speaker 6: the league. Now, how many running backs are creators? Honest,
Speaker 6: I mean it's a short list off. How many guys
Speaker 6: are like actual creatives.
Speaker 5: That you Any of those guys that you name, those
Speaker 5: are significant investments, whether it be through free agency or draft.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and guys, most guys most teams have a two
Speaker 6: headed monster, right, So they're not they're not relying on
Speaker 6: one on one running back, so you're gonna have to
Speaker 6: have a tandem. And usually even that primary guy, again,
Speaker 6: he's not a creator type back. He's just he's just
Speaker 6: a tried and true back that just knows how to
Speaker 6: follow his blockers. And I think if you invest in
Speaker 6: your offensive line, like the Cowboys seemingly are now getting
Speaker 6: back to right, and you can play some bully ball.
Speaker 1: Let's just imagine.
Speaker 6: I'm hopeful that Cooper b B play center. I'm hoping
Speaker 6: that he can learn how to snap the ball and
Speaker 6: have a shotgun snap because if he does, then you
Speaker 6: have you got some beef up front. You have some
Speaker 6: beef up from it. Those three in the middle, it's
Speaker 6: like the dog on flying v Tyler Smith, Cooverer, bebe
Speaker 6: Right and and freaking big Zach. Like, if you can
Speaker 6: have those three going forward okay and moving guys off
Speaker 6: the ball, you anybody could run behind office lineman that
Speaker 6: can move guys to the second level. So it's that's
Speaker 6: why I believe that the running back position is being
Speaker 6: the value because you're seeing less guys who have the
Speaker 6: ability to be a Sakwan.
Speaker 1: To be a Josh Jacobs, to be those.
Speaker 6: Dual threat you know, running backs that can really create.
Speaker 6: And the only reason why King Henry is getting paid
Speaker 6: what he's getting paid because he's just mammoth right. But
Speaker 6: think about how many other running backs are true creators.
Speaker 6: Aaron Jones was freaking balling still and guess what he
Speaker 6: got cut.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think of b Jeon Robinson, but again,
Speaker 5: b Jon Robinson. You got to spend a very high
Speaker 5: pick to get Bjeon Robinson.
Speaker 6: There might there might be there might be a list
Speaker 6: of six meet maybe Yeah, guys that you think of that,
Speaker 6: like you know what, like by himself, like you better,
Speaker 6: you better be concerned about what he can do to.
Speaker 1: You by himself.
Speaker 3: Would you say Saquan is one of those? Absolutely, but
Speaker 3: he's getting paid twenty seven million.
Speaker 6: Side of that, every other team is accompanying their primary
Speaker 6: back with somebody else and they're not just absolute dogs
Speaker 6: at the position.
Speaker 1: It's not the disrespect the position at all.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, if you're not making guys miss, if
Speaker 6: you're not making that first guy miss, then you're pretty
Speaker 6: much like most backs, as long as you're not fooling
Speaker 6: the ball, right.
Speaker 5: I think when the final numbers come out on that
Speaker 5: Zeke deal, it's not gonna be close to three.
Speaker 3: No, it's too guaranteed incentives.
Speaker 5: Just waiting to real but those come out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know that it's going to be something
Speaker 5: where they're not spending significantly on Ezekiel Eliot. Now they
Speaker 5: still do have I think it's six in dad cap
Speaker 5: off of his previous contract or whatever. But I think
Speaker 5: on the new deal it's nothing. But that doesn't fact
Speaker 5: that it's nothing significant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, well, I kind of wanted to get into the
Speaker 3: Zeke of it all. I mean, what was kind of
Speaker 3: I guess we knew question mark yit. Yeah, going into
Speaker 3: the draft that this is going to be sort of
Speaker 3: the situation regardless if they picked a running back in
Speaker 3: the later rounds, fourth, fifth, sixth. I mean, obviously we
Speaker 3: didn't have a fourth. But do we think that Zeke
Speaker 3: is gonna sort of supplement the run game or are
Speaker 3: we expecting you know, vintage Zeke.
Speaker 1: No supplement, definitely a supplement. I mean, you look at it.
Speaker 6: I mean it's unfortunate all these stats now are available
Speaker 6: and his numbers have literally rescinded every single year, right,
Speaker 6: So I mean now that someone has utilization exactly right,
Speaker 6: So some of that's unfair. That's why I don't like
Speaker 6: just looking purely at stats. But the reality is he's
Speaker 6: towards the in the latter half of his career. You know,
Speaker 6: you have complimentary backs here, you have Rico, you got Royce,
Speaker 6: you got you got Zeke, and you got Deuce. And
Speaker 6: again I'm still the jury's kind of out on Deuce
Speaker 6: still for me, just because.
Speaker 1: Of what he can provide in other aspects of the game.
Speaker 6: But I'm I don't feel bad if you go into
Speaker 6: the season with those three at running back. I truly don't,
Speaker 6: because again, what are you looking to do? What is
Speaker 6: your system to do? Is your system made for splash plays?
Speaker 6: Is your system made just to simply move the chains?
Speaker 6: If your system's made to simply just play bully ball?
Speaker 6: I like that three headed monster.
Speaker 5: So if this was the roster and they're playing on
Speaker 5: Sunday when the game's over, who do you think got
Speaker 5: the most carries?
Speaker 1: Royce?
Speaker 5: And how many you think like ten?
Speaker 1: Thirteen?
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah, if.
Speaker 6: That I mean, I mean, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 6: I mean, again, you can rotate those guys through and
Speaker 6: you're probably gonna get the same productivity out of all
Speaker 6: of them because they're they're all powerful backs, they all
Speaker 6: run downhill, they're all one cut guys.
Speaker 1: Like they're the same type of back.
Speaker 6: That's not the same that they're the exact same player,
Speaker 6: but their styles are similar.
Speaker 1: Their styles are very similar.
Speaker 6: And if you're gonna have and they all have the
Speaker 6: ability to block, right, if you're gonna be back there
Speaker 6: throwing a rock, they all have the ability to block.
Speaker 1: Stutup.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking, I'm truly starting to see that these guys
Speaker 6: want to just go downhill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's what I'm That's what it's coming to.
Speaker 5: I'm interested to see when they run out there the
Speaker 5: first time with the ones out knocks nerd. I just
Speaker 5: I find it hearted believe that Zeke ain't gonna be
Speaker 5: out there at running back with the one.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I think he starts for sure. Yeah, but I think it,
Speaker 3: like you're saying, it is a sort of running back
Speaker 3: by committee. And I feel much more confident in a
Speaker 3: running back by committee than I ever did the wide
Speaker 3: receiver by committee. You know that we were trying to
Speaker 3: do for a while there that season that we traded
Speaker 3: for Mark Cooper. But it just kind of I think
Speaker 3: a big part of it is that you totally retooled
Speaker 3: and redefined what our offensive line is with the twenty
Speaker 3: fourth pick in the NFL draft, Like you you turn
Speaker 3: that into two picks, You turned that into Tyler Rutton
Speaker 3: and Cooper Beb. I think huge the offensive line, the
Speaker 3: new look offensive line is going to be They're gonna
Speaker 3: mall I mean, and it will show no matter who
Speaker 3: is running.
Speaker 1: It's an attitude change. It truly is an attitude change.
Speaker 1: And I love it. Yeah, I love the.
Speaker 6: Fact that there's an attitude two change there. I love
Speaker 6: Tyler Biadis, but I never felt like he had the
Speaker 6: nasty I mean, I think I thought he was a
Speaker 6: good player. I always was on record saying that I
Speaker 6: thought he was undersized, that he didn't have necessarily strength
Speaker 6: to move the big boys off the ball. And I didn't.
Speaker 6: I never got the sense that he had that nastiness
Speaker 6: to them. Yeah, you know, Cooper BB does Cooper Bean.
Speaker 6: If you can snap the ball, then you know that
Speaker 6: you got Tyler Smith who's nasty. You know Zach's nasty.
Speaker 6: So again, if you can spearhead the middle of your
Speaker 6: offensive line with three nasty casts that can move everybody
Speaker 6: off the ball, that's dangerous, regardless of who's behind you.
Speaker 6: And that's what I'm saying, Like, I'm less concerned about
Speaker 6: who's tode in the rock as long as they don't
Speaker 6: put the ball on the ground.
Speaker 5: I'm not big on the whole drafting for one season,
Speaker 5: so I love the picks just because, like I said,
Speaker 5: the Scoober BB thing could totally not work out at center. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I still think you have a really good guard
Speaker 5: and maybe that's TJ Bass ends up being center. Maybe
Speaker 5: brock Hoffman impresses them in training camp and he's the center.
Speaker 5: I just like that there's gonna be a spot for
Speaker 5: him somewhere, and whether it's this season or in the
Speaker 5: near future. And I feel the same way about Guyton,
Speaker 5: Like I think with Geyton moving from the right side
Speaker 5: to the left side, probably gonna be some growing pains,
Speaker 5: probably can be a little bit of rust. There's probably
Speaker 5: gon be some ups and downs and things like that.
Speaker 5: But I just like the idea of being, hey, we're
Speaker 5: putting this guy with Tyler Smith, and we're gonna try
Speaker 5: and have these guys worked together for the next decade,
Speaker 5: and we think that ultimately it's gonna be a really
Speaker 5: good group, even if it does start out a little rough.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's about more than just the first you know,
Speaker 5: five six games or whatever it takes for him to
Speaker 5: kind of get comfortable there.
Speaker 6: Will you have positional flex I mean, to your point,
Speaker 6: if you had to play musical chairs, you have the
Speaker 6: guys to be to play it. Right, if you needed
Speaker 6: to say that BB wasn't ready to play center, Okay,
Speaker 6: now he's just backing up your right guard position, right,
Speaker 6: or maybe Tyler Guiden's not ready to play maybe he
Speaker 6: can't make that switch immediately to left tackle. So what
Speaker 6: now you bump Tyler Smith out and you put BB
Speaker 6: at the left right, right TJ.
Speaker 1: You know Bass comes in at center. Right, you still
Speaker 1: have Zach Martin.
Speaker 6: What if Terrence Steel goes down, Well, Guiden, that's your
Speaker 6: natural position, so go out to the right side.
Speaker 1: So you have the flexibility to move guys around.
Speaker 6: That's not to say that you should want to, but
Speaker 6: you have the availability and you have the capability of
Speaker 6: doing so.
Speaker 5: It's funny because we went into this into this draft
Speaker 5: with a lot of questions about the offensive line, and
Speaker 5: for me, I only have one left and that's just
Speaker 5: really who's going to run run away with that swing
Speaker 5: tackle job? Like who will be the swing tack because
Speaker 5: as you mentioned, like if Terrence Steals go down or Geitten,
Speaker 5: it is a position where you really do need that
Speaker 5: third offensive tack will be in somebody that you can
Speaker 5: count on. That's the only thing that I really going
Speaker 5: into Oxnard, I'm not too sure about, like who will
Speaker 5: emerge there? Will it be let's go? Can he stay healthy?
Speaker 5: Will it be awesome? Richards? I don't know about that position.
Speaker 5: Everything else though, even in the depth in the middle,
Speaker 5: I feel much better about now than I did going
Speaker 5: into the draft, And I.
Speaker 3: Think that's that's the whole point of it. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not going to be it's going to be a
Speaker 3: long term answer and in the short term, it's like
Speaker 3: you have to determine who the five best guys are
Speaker 3: and put them out on the field and see how
Speaker 3: they work together. Right, Well, let's take our first break.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll discuss more on this draft
Speaker 3: class and maybe more. Zekil Elliott leave us a text.
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Speaker 3: superfood of the TOAs Cowboys. Isaiah, did you get your
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Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 6: I'm actually trying to cut my carbs a little bit
Speaker 6: right now. You got to car my carb count, trying
Speaker 6: to get pool ready, you know.
Speaker 3: But when you are doing carbs, the first choice oats.
Speaker 6: Yeah, slow burn a slow burning carb, man, people, That's
Speaker 6: why the Quaker oats is a good morning oat, right,
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Speaker 1: Now, if you're going to work out, you might want
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 6: carbs based upon what your day looks like.
Speaker 3: I don't. I only do Quaker oats, only quakeross. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just add different you know, protein.
Speaker 1: What's your number one topic for oats?
Speaker 3: Blueberries?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 6: See, I can't do hot hot cereal with with a fruit,
Speaker 6: with fruit, I can.
Speaker 3: Do hot fruit well, if you put a little honey,
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's just me.
Speaker 1: What about you?
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't guess.
Speaker 5: I returned this to me because I always say.
Speaker 1: That, bimber, what's your what's your go to for.
Speaker 5: Eating person at all?
Speaker 8: So I do honey inside, yeah, honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm a brown sugar guy.
Speaker 7: So I used to do brown sugar, but I didn't
Speaker 7: want to put sugar in there, so I grab You.
Speaker 3: Know who's saying, big oat guy for real kids, Nate Newton,
Speaker 3: big dog.
Speaker 1: He I talked to Big Nate yesterday.
Speaker 3: Man, how was he doing?
Speaker 6: He said, he is moving around. I was so happy.
Speaker 1: Listen. I love Nate. Nate's like a big uncle to me. Right.
Speaker 6: We spent a lot of time together obviously during the season,
Speaker 6: and I I love to do and I hate seeing
Speaker 6: former players in pain, but I really hate seeing Big
Speaker 6: Nate in pain. Right, So walking around all those years
Speaker 6: of blocking for inmate and Troy and and he hurts
Speaker 6: when he walks right his knees and his knees was shot.
Speaker 1: So Big Nate had had double knee surgery.
Speaker 3: It didn't double knee surgery, and didn't tell anybody about it.
Speaker 6: No double knees, laid up in bed for four to
Speaker 6: six weeks, legs are straight and now he said he
Speaker 6: used to struggle to walk for one mile back in
Speaker 6: the you know before before surgery.
Speaker 1: And he said, but without you know, causing any any
Speaker 1: kind of anguish.
Speaker 3: Even a training camp, he would call us be like, hey,
Speaker 3: do you have the car? Like, can you pick us up?
Speaker 1: My dog? Made me smile so big. Yes, he said,
Speaker 1: he's walking two to three miles a day right now
Speaker 1: with these new knees. So I'm I'm so happy for him. Man.
Speaker 1: He deserves it.
Speaker 6: All the former players that put their you know, sweat,
Speaker 6: equity in blood, sweat and tears, deserve to feel good
Speaker 6: when they wake up. And the reality is most guys don't.
Speaker 6: And I'm happy that he is feeling much better than
Speaker 6: what he was just even a month ago, two months ago.
Speaker 5: He's a good dude.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 5: Anytime you've seen him around here. I remember back at
Speaker 5: Valley Rancher run into him. It's always there's always something.
Speaker 5: He's always in good mood. There's always something funny that
Speaker 5: he has to say, there's always he just brings a
Speaker 5: good vibe wherever he's at Yeah. So no, I didn't
Speaker 5: even know about that. That's great.
Speaker 1: I called him to ask the first question I asked him,
Speaker 1: I said, you're ready to race yet? Yeah, he's a nine.
Speaker 3: I'm still ready for my big fellow, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like he'll shout out down the hall like,
Speaker 3: no matter.
Speaker 1: Who's the hallway, big fella, he's not quiet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I'm a big guy. I get it. And
Speaker 3: he has to be also happy about this draft class. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: new offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Right, yep. The big fellas man, the big Fellas is back.
Speaker 1: Billy Ball. That's what I'm calling it, called make go
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Speaker 3: So we had a couple of signings, well a couple
Speaker 3: we had, I guess technically two signings yesterday. We also
Speaker 3: had Damien Wilson sign yesterday. Did you kind of get
Speaker 3: any interest, Like, what what do you think about the signing?
Speaker 3: Over overall?
Speaker 5: I think they were short at linebacker. They needed at
Speaker 5: least one more linebacker. After the draft, Steven had mentioned
Speaker 5: Steve Jones had mentioned that they had been in talks
Speaker 5: on Saturday with some veteran free agent players just to
Speaker 5: kind of he said get their roster, right, I think
Speaker 5: is how he worded it. So I think that that's
Speaker 5: what it was, because I think they're at six right now,
Speaker 5: six true off the ball line. I don't count like
Speaker 5: as a linebacker. I just I don't so six true
Speaker 5: off the balls. So I would say I think there's
Speaker 5: a good chance they keep five or six.
Speaker 6: When you when you say it depends on what what
Speaker 6: Zimmer ends up doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think anybody knows what Zimmer is doing, especially.
Speaker 5: Factory factor in efactor in what they'll lead on defense
Speaker 5: because they're going to go away from the Marquise Bell,
Speaker 5: one Y Thomas safety come up play linebackers. And then
Speaker 5: also the fact on they're gonna have to need a
Speaker 5: lot of those guys that contribute on special teams. And
Speaker 5: so that's why I'm thinking they got to keep at
Speaker 5: least five and they could potentially keep six, And so
Speaker 5: they're at six right now on the roster with Uh
Speaker 5: it would be Damian Wilson. I think it's Buddy Johnson. Uh,
Speaker 5: they got Eric Kendricks that they obviously signed to the
Speaker 5: one year deal, Dimoon Clark to Marvin over shown and
Speaker 5: then Maurice Yeah. The late third round pick Maurice l Yeah,
Speaker 5: so they are six Marris, Yeah, so they got six
Speaker 5: right now?
Speaker 1: You pronounce his last name Loufou Marris Lufou.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, and he's I guess on the smaller side as
Speaker 3: far as linebackers go, he's more of the athletic tie Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, kind of coverage up the middle.
Speaker 5: And I think he came Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: Is a safety, yeah, and some of his issues like that,
Speaker 3: some of the cons I guess on his tape was
Speaker 3: run blocking right or not run blocking, run stopping? Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wonder how that plays out though in Mike Zimmer's defense.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to seeing coach Zimmer's defense. I really
Speaker 6: we know what he's done historically, but the moves of
Speaker 6: the they're making roster wise right now, how they're forming
Speaker 6: this defensive roster doesn't look anything remotely like what he's
Speaker 6: done in the past. So I'm curious as to what
Speaker 6: his game plan is.
Speaker 3: So a question for you, John, how do the Cowboys
Speaker 3: fill out the rest of their roster? I know you
Speaker 3: kind of brought this up on Well you have a
Speaker 3: whole article about it on the Athletic Well to the athletic.
Speaker 5: I think the big thing is is that they'll have
Speaker 5: to do They're probably at least one trade somewhere along
Speaker 5: the lines for some type of a veteran player. Whether
Speaker 5: I think right now it's defensive tackle. I mean, they're
Speaker 5: just they're still thin at defensive tackle. Even if even
Speaker 5: if you have your seventh round pick out Auburn come
Speaker 5: in and Justin Rodgers and contribute, I still think that
Speaker 5: you then so then he makes up for the loss
Speaker 5: of Jonathan Hankins. Well, then you still don't make up
Speaker 5: for the loss of Neville Gallimore. You still you're still
Speaker 5: I think one defensive tackle there short and so I
Speaker 5: think I could see them doing it potentially a trade there.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised if they signed some guys in
Speaker 5: the next week or so, just because now we're at
Speaker 5: a point where they don't count for the comp picks
Speaker 5: for the following year. So I think you'll see some
Speaker 5: more movement there. But I also think it's it's one
Speaker 5: of those things like you go back to training camp.
Speaker 5: I think it was two years ago where we went
Speaker 5: into camp and we didn't know that they were gonna
Speaker 5: go get Anthony Barr. You know, they's just like moves
Speaker 5: like that that can still be made that of course,
Speaker 5: they're probably not going to be like the trading the
Speaker 5: first round pick for Marik Cooper, you know, but they
Speaker 5: got different ways they can maneuver. And then also there's
Speaker 5: a chance that a couple of these underrafted free agents
Speaker 5: make the squad as well. So I think that's how
Speaker 5: it gets filled out. But I think the key thing
Speaker 5: is is that they're really going to count a lot
Speaker 5: on some of these second, third year guys that really
Speaker 5: have to take a jump, you know, whether you talk
Speaker 5: about Schoonmaker, Overshown, Mazzie Smith, Sam Williams, Jalen Tolbert, there's
Speaker 5: a lot of guys that have been in the roster
Speaker 5: to have had somewhat roles, but now they really gotta
Speaker 5: you know, they areing to depend on them a lot more.
Speaker 3: And I think who had a kind of a tough
Speaker 3: go at it last season, Dumont Clark. I really am
Speaker 3: excited to see what he does, not out of position,
Speaker 3: I think, you know, putting him into the line backer
Speaker 3: position that he started at, and what he's going to
Speaker 3: do going forward. I want to see what he does
Speaker 3: at that position, and I think like you said overall
Speaker 3: that the second third year players, how they perform is gonna,
Speaker 3: you know, bode well for what we do for the
Speaker 3: rest of the season. Is they anything No, I was just.
Speaker 6: Going to ask you guys, did you guys have any surprises?
Speaker 6: Was there anything that surprised you guys or at any
Speaker 6: disappointments in regards to the draft.
Speaker 3: I think Marshaw Neeland was a surprise for me me
Speaker 3: as well. But you brought up a really good point
Speaker 3: in it being Tank Lawrence's last season under contract with Cowboys,
Speaker 3: And I think if if you think that the salary
Speaker 3: cap for this year is really bad, this off season
Speaker 3: is bad, wait until next year. So and not to
Speaker 3: say that there's running on the wall there, but I
Speaker 3: mean just the fact of the matter, like I don't
Speaker 3: know if we have enough to pay another season for
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 9: Maybe.
Speaker 3: Well, but that was a big surprise to me. I
Speaker 3: didn't expect that at all, especially when you know all
Speaker 3: of the talk is running back at the time.
Speaker 1: See, I wasn't thinking running back.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, what do you think running back? Not getting
Speaker 5: a running back was to me the biggest disappointment. And
Speaker 5: I'm big and I don't really judge drafts too much
Speaker 5: after the first two days. I think there's a lot
Speaker 5: of luck involved with hitting on one of those picks
Speaker 5: on Saturday, four more than one pick. If you can
Speaker 5: hit on that on Saturday, you can get another Duran
Speaker 5: Bland in the fifth round. That's say, that's icing on
Speaker 5: the cake. But I judge it more off the first
Speaker 5: you know, two days of first three rounds and not
Speaker 5: getting a running back. That was probably my biggest surprise,
Speaker 5: But if just from a kind of a fun standpoint
Speaker 5: on Saturday, it was not taking Jerry Rice's kid, Like
Speaker 5: I just was like, hey, if you're interested in running back,
Speaker 5: And I think that part of that is me being
Speaker 5: a writer. I like the story, just like when they
Speaker 5: drafted Douce Fawn. But I was kind of surprised that
Speaker 5: that Brandon Rice fell that far. He was a productive
Speaker 5: player at USC, He's obviously got great pedigree, and he
Speaker 5: falls the seventh round. That was the only one, just
Speaker 5: because I watched him in college. Obviously you know his
Speaker 5: dad is the goat and yeah, but outside of that, no,
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it was a really good draft.
Speaker 5: I don't think there was really any big surprises other
Speaker 5: than the fact that running back, defensive tackle I think
Speaker 5: are still big question marks on this team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marshaw Kneeland was the was the knee jerker.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: For me, I'm not disappointed that they got him. Obviously,
Speaker 6: he seemingly is a productive player, and it makes sense
Speaker 6: in terms of what potentially is coming down the road,
Speaker 6: and especially losing Fowler and losing Armstrong. I mean, you're
Speaker 6: you're at a little light in the button where you
Speaker 6: were that was your heaviest position. Now you're relatively light
Speaker 6: there or at least normal. I was expecting them to
Speaker 6: get a big boy d tackle.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now, obviously they got Rogers in the seventh, but I
Speaker 6: was expecting them to get two big boys up front.
Speaker 6: I expect them to go heavy on offensive line, which
Speaker 6: they did, and I expect them to go heavy on
Speaker 6: the defensive line, just because the trenches is where you
Speaker 6: win ball games, and the trenches is where this team
Speaker 6: has struggled. So I was a little thrown off by
Speaker 6: the kneeling. I'm like, we have the ends, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. Like we got d N's, I mean,
Speaker 6: we picked up Sam Wims and Williams is still there,
Speaker 6: you know, Mike is still there, like we got we
Speaker 6: have some guys we drafted.
Speaker 1: You know, what's his name, Crapko. Yeah, we drafted for Hoko,
Speaker 1: Like he's there.
Speaker 6: We haven't seen much from him yet, so drafting another
Speaker 6: one it just threw me off because I'm like, there's needs,
Speaker 6: Like that wasn't a need for me.
Speaker 1: I think it was. Now.
Speaker 6: He might have been very well, been one of the
Speaker 6: higher rated guys on their board, and that might have
Speaker 6: been what they were going for, but I'm like, there's
Speaker 6: needs that needed to be addressed. And much like people
Speaker 6: in Atlanta were mad about, you know, my got PINX
Speaker 6: getting drafted. Have they already had a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, like we have dms, we need d tackles.
Speaker 1: So that was my thinking.
Speaker 5: I will say this though, when they tell you after
Speaker 5: that first rounds over that when they were on the
Speaker 5: clock at twenty four and there were four players that
Speaker 5: they had in mind at twenty four, so they felt
Speaker 5: like if they moved back to twenty nine they could
Speaker 5: still get one of those guys. And so those four
Speaker 5: guys were Jordan Morgan, Graham Barton, Tyler Geydon, and Missouri
Speaker 5: defensive end Darius Robinson. So I think if you knew
Speaker 5: going in that they liked him that much that if
Speaker 5: Geyton goes before that, they could have taken Darius Robinson
Speaker 5: at twenty nine. I think then maybe it changes your
Speaker 5: thinking a little bit that, well, hey, maybe they look
Speaker 5: at d End a little bit, you know, more than
Speaker 5: they do at some other positions like that. That's the
Speaker 5: only thing that I think factors in with there. But
Speaker 5: it was a surprise just because he's not a player
Speaker 5: that we heard a ton about going into the draft.
Speaker 5: But when they went on the clock, he was, I
Speaker 5: believe most people as best player or one of their
Speaker 5: top players available. So it wasn't like they were like, hey,
Speaker 5: we need a d End right now, let's reach for somebody.
Speaker 5: I mean, was probably the best one available.
Speaker 3: They value that position more than I think any I
Speaker 3: think any of the shows that I was listening to
Speaker 3: on DOSK Cowboys dot Com, I don't think defensive end
Speaker 3: was a big knee no that we brought up. I mean,
Speaker 3: especially myself, I wasn't really looking at that position.
Speaker 5: After the draft, though, I'll tell you something came up
Speaker 5: that I was like, I couldn't wait to ask you
Speaker 5: about this. So whether you talk about Niland or you
Speaker 5: talk about Leafou the linebacker in late third. The Cowboys
Speaker 5: talk a lot about how when you watched film on them,
Speaker 5: how they have very high effort, don't take any plays off,
Speaker 5: you know, like really the blue collar workman like stuff
Speaker 5: like that. So I wanted to ask you, do you
Speaker 5: think that they were looking for that because they want
Speaker 5: to add more of that to continue to build this defense,
Speaker 5: or do you feel like last year's defense might have
Speaker 5: been missing that. I don't know that there's a right answer.
Speaker 5: I just it was something I thought of when they
Speaker 5: said it. I'm like that they take these two defensive
Speaker 5: players the first two days of the draft, and those
Speaker 5: are key traits that they liked in both of them
Speaker 5: that they said stood out on both those players, and
Speaker 5: they watch tape on them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that has a lot to do with
Speaker 6: I don't want to Okay, I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn.
Speaker 6: Obviously you have to be a high energy, high effort
Speaker 6: guy to play underneath Dan Quinn. You just have to be.
Speaker 6: You have to be a relentless type player. I also believe.
Speaker 6: But I think he I think he valued versatility and
Speaker 6: athleticism more.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say more, but it was kind
Speaker 1: of on the same level.
Speaker 6: Right, he could feel like he could pull that out
Speaker 6: of you, right, he could pull that extra effort out
Speaker 6: of you, right, or the determination like as long as
Speaker 6: you're athletic and you're willing, like he got you right
Speaker 6: because he had he just had the ability to mentor guys.
Speaker 6: I think now that you switched over to Zimmer, I
Speaker 6: think there's less emphasis on athleticism and there's more emphasis
Speaker 6: on are you a hard nosed football player? And I
Speaker 6: think that's That's not to say that dan Quinn didn't
Speaker 6: value that either, cause I know that's gonna be there's.
Speaker 3: A little more pragmatic.
Speaker 6: I just think that Zimmer doesn't value athleticism as much.
Speaker 6: He's like, hey, are you big and are physical?
Speaker 1: And are are you? Are you?
Speaker 6: Are you a hard nosed player that I don't have
Speaker 6: to coach effort on because I don't have time to
Speaker 6: coach effort I coach football players.
Speaker 5: It is wild though to me again, like for you, you've
Speaker 5: been around it, You've seen the behind the scenes way
Speaker 5: more than I ever have. So I just am always
Speaker 5: amazed at the whole effort thing because I just assume that, like,
Speaker 5: if you're going to make it to this level, then
Speaker 5: you then you must give high effort all the time.
Speaker 5: It's just it's the percentage to make it to the
Speaker 5: NFL or have a chance. He was so small that
Speaker 5: I feel like you'd I mean, I get that there
Speaker 5: are some freaking athletes out there that are just like, well,
Speaker 5: you can take place off your.
Speaker 1: Busies, let's look at it like this.
Speaker 6: And I don't I don't like putting this mark on players, right,
Speaker 6: but it's just I just go off of what I
Speaker 6: see on film. When you draft a Massie Smith in
Speaker 6: the first round last year, you drafted him off of
Speaker 6: potential and athleticism and how freakish of an athlete he is, and.
Speaker 1: Again going to the dan Quinn tree, like that's what
Speaker 1: he values.
Speaker 6: Like, Okay, I could pull the other stuff out of them,
Speaker 6: but you couldn't that one right seemingly, not to say
Speaker 6: he wasn't give an effort, but it just baseball what
Speaker 6: came across for them the film.
Speaker 5: No, everything you just said right there. I feel like it
Speaker 5: was the exact same with Brad Maryonnelli, Tristan.
Speaker 6: Hill, there you go, there you go so now so
Speaker 6: now I think you're you have a change of regime
Speaker 6: on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And again, what you know about Zimmer.
Speaker 6: He's hard, nos, he likes big physical guys, and he's
Speaker 6: gonna he's gonna come at you right. So those were
Speaker 6: the type of players that seemingly he went out and got.
Speaker 6: Neiland's a big physical guy who's gonna come downhill. He's
Speaker 6: not got to coach you on effort. He's gonna show
Speaker 6: you some more skills. He's gonna educate you and teach
Speaker 6: you some more things, answer your toolbox. But he's not
Speaker 6: gonna have to tell you to go right. And I
Speaker 6: think that's really where he's going the same thing with
Speaker 6: with luafulu foul, lufaul, I'm gonna get that down, lufoul.
Speaker 6: My apologies if he's listening, but lufoul. Like again, that's
Speaker 6: from what I've seen on film. He's a high energy,
Speaker 6: high just effort guy. Everything else I can coach you
Speaker 6: up on, I can coach you up on technique, right,
Speaker 6: but I need you to be balls to the wall,
Speaker 6: high effort guy every single time.
Speaker 5: They well kay Cat mentioned and with Leofoo's arms being
Speaker 5: thirty four inches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's go go gradgets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that seems pretty crazy for I know, thirty two
Speaker 5: is great for a defensive back.
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, no, that's that's pretty.
Speaker 5: What you're measuring that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess some of ringutint arms couple maybe doesn't have
Speaker 3: very long arms either.
Speaker 6: No, but he gets underneath everybody. Yeah, yeah, surprisingly he
Speaker 6: got He has a.
Speaker 1: Hot I mean he he binds man for what sixty
Speaker 1: three three twenty is that what he is?
Speaker 3: Actually didn't write it down.
Speaker 1: I think sixty three three twenty three run there. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a big boyfriend.
Speaker 6: And you watch his film. He gets underneath guys and
Speaker 6: he locks on. He's like a dog on pit. He
Speaker 6: doesn't let loose.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Raffle Coffee.
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Speaker 3: want to get into?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: You were obviously at the press conferences after the draft.
Speaker 3: Was there anything that stood out about the comments about
Speaker 3: any of these players individually that kind of out to you.
Speaker 5: I'd say that when I said earlier about the defensive
Speaker 5: players in the effort, Yeah, because I just assumed because
Speaker 5: I'm not one of these guys that just crushes the
Speaker 5: tape for the draft prospects. That's never been my thing.
Speaker 5: I've luckily been tight with Dan Brugler for a while now,
Speaker 5: and I lean on him for a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 6: So the beast I almost like a boat. You know,
Speaker 6: you don't want to own the boat. You want to
Speaker 6: know somebody who has the boat.
Speaker 5: There you go, exactly exactly. But but plus, I just
Speaker 5: I can't think of myself being able to put in
Speaker 5: the time that he does that come up with all
Speaker 5: that stuff and the same I mean, same thing we
Speaker 5: brought us. I mean, that was his career for so long.
Speaker 5: Like I just I like listening to what they have
Speaker 5: to say. So anyway, I'm trying to think that the
Speaker 5: two things that will stand out to me from just
Speaker 5: following the NFL that are so different with the Cowboys
Speaker 5: from other teams are whether you talk about the pre
Speaker 5: draft press conference at the end of all these days,
Speaker 5: how much that they are just willing to talk about
Speaker 5: Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, that just doesn't happen in other places.
Speaker 5: Jerry talking about Jonathan Brooks and and talk so highly
Speaker 5: of him, saying it was the best pre draft interview
Speaker 5: he's ever had. Like people thinking that Jerry is doing
Speaker 5: that like mistakenly because they want to get He knew
Speaker 5: that they were never getting Jonathan Brooks. That's why he
Speaker 5: said that. That's Jerry's gamesmanship. That doesn't happen though, again
Speaker 5: with other teams really. And then the other one was,
Speaker 5: like I said earlier about they tell you the four
Speaker 5: guys they were considering on the board. Most teams won't
Speaker 5: do that. And the reason you don't do that is
Speaker 5: because if Tyler Guitton doesn't pan out or Babe doesn't
Speaker 5: pan out, and Darius Robinson ends up being von Miller
Speaker 5: or Graham Barton ends up being Zach Martin or something
Speaker 5: like that, you.
Speaker 1: Have these two.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, hey, and it's the history of the franchise.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you I will always remember one of my
Speaker 5: fondest memories from from Valley Ranch and I have several,
Speaker 5: but one of them is walking with like a couple
Speaker 5: other reporters with Jerry in twenty twelve at Or they
Speaker 5: traded up and got Morse Claiborne. And so it was
Speaker 5: at the end of day two and it was after
Speaker 5: the press characters and walk criteria, We're just like, hey,
Speaker 5: if you did have that second that you didn't trade
Speaker 5: for Claiborne, who are you going to take? And he's like, oh,
Speaker 5: that UTAs State linebacker. And I knew when he said that.
Speaker 5: It's not like he's just gonna say whatever, and it's
Speaker 5: Uta State. Whatever you and that's Bobby Wagner. And so
Speaker 5: it's like you like look back on that and you're like,
Speaker 5: you probably so you could have had Michael Brockers and
Speaker 5: Bobby Wagner or Morse Claiborne. And it's like, in the moment,
Speaker 5: people wouldn't because how many how much did people really
Speaker 5: know at that time about the UTA State linebacker? You
Speaker 5: didn't know he was going to be what it was,
Speaker 5: and when it happened, you were like, man, they're putting
Speaker 5: together Brandon car with Mo Claiborne, Like, man, this defensive
Speaker 5: backfield is going to be crazy and obviously didn't live
Speaker 5: up to the investments. And I bring that up to
Speaker 5: say also that that's the last time that I felt
Speaker 5: like the organization was super aggressive, like and they've been
Speaker 5: a lot more conservative since then, whether it's free agency
Speaker 5: trading up in the draft.
Speaker 3: And you think that was a reaction to the more absolutely.
Speaker 5: And the and the branded car thing too. They haven't
Speaker 5: had a significant free agency signing since then. Outside the building,
Speaker 5: that inane for the time, right, No, no, it was
Speaker 5: of what.
Speaker 3: Thirty guaranteed and at the time we were like wait.
Speaker 5: What no, no, it's five years, fifty point one million
Speaker 5: dollar fifty yeah, fifty yeah, yeah, because I remember it
Speaker 5: was fifty point one so that he could reset the
Speaker 5: whatever the top corner money was at the time, which
Speaker 5: is crazy thing now because now top corners are getting
Speaker 5: over twenty you know, so of course, but yeah, that's
Speaker 5: really it. They're always they're always entertaining though they're always
Speaker 5: in like all those press conferences that they do. That's
Speaker 5: why people ask me, well, why didn't you go back
Speaker 5: to Detroit for the draft, and like, you want to
Speaker 5: be wherever if you're covering the Dale Skyways draft. You
Speaker 5: want to be wherever Jerry Jones is because you just
Speaker 5: never know what he's going to say. You'd never know
Speaker 5: which direction it's going to go in there. You mean,
Speaker 5: I mean to sit there and talk about how deep
Speaker 5: the offensive line was in this draft and say, well,
Speaker 5: why do you Rob Banks? That's because for the money
Speaker 5: is like, it's a great it's a great anecdote, and
Speaker 5: it's a great thing, including your stories. But again, it's
Speaker 5: just one of those things that most other teams owner
Speaker 5: shams aren't saying.
Speaker 3: Or even the rowdy thing.
Speaker 5: It was the rowdy thing of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no with the lever zero.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, making a joke that you know, he was
Speaker 5: asked if he wouldn't mind a player wearing number zero,
Speaker 5: which I think a lot of people would want. The
Speaker 5: Marvey On overshown. I think, you know, that was the
Speaker 5: number that fits with him. And I think his even
Speaker 5: his Twitter handle is something like agent zero or something.
Speaker 5: I could be rung in that. I don't know, but anyway,
Speaker 5: and and he just made a joke about how like,
Speaker 5: well that's Rowdy's number. We got to ask Rowdy first,
Speaker 5: somebody somebody can wear that. But yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 5: always entertaining. But there's just a lot of little things
Speaker 5: that they do that's a lot different than other teams for.
Speaker 3: Sure, outside of the Cowboys. What was the most surprising
Speaker 3: pick for you guys just overall?
Speaker 5: Just oh, it's not even close. At your boy Pennix,
Speaker 5: that's right. And the only reason I say it, the
Speaker 5: only reason is because of the kirk Cousins thing. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: they didn't. If they didn't sign Kirk Cousins and give
Speaker 5: them basically a one hundred million dollars guaranteed ninety I
Speaker 5: think it is, then it. I'm fine with it because
Speaker 5: I saw plenty from Michael Penix that go. I can
Speaker 5: easily see why this guy would be a top fifteen pick.
Speaker 5: You know, I feel like me personally, and I'm again
Speaker 5: not crushing the tape like a lot of other people are,
Speaker 5: but I saw more from Michael Penox in college than
Speaker 5: I did J. J. McCarthy and and I mean JJ
Speaker 5: McCarthy's that talk about him leading up to the draft.
Speaker 5: It was crazy. I mean the only people that were
Speaker 5: talked about more were probably Caleb Williams, and I guess
Speaker 5: maybe Jade and Daniels and then right there. I felt
Speaker 5: like J. J. McCarthy was talking about more than Drake
Speaker 5: may Penix all those guys. But I would say that
Speaker 5: was the one surprise. And then again, I gotta stick
Speaker 5: with quarterbacks. It's just when all those guys were going
Speaker 5: and then bow Nicks went, I thought for sure Spencer
Speaker 5: Rattler would go with like in another twenty thirty picks.
Speaker 5: He ran the last as long as he did. That
Speaker 5: was kind of surprising me too.
Speaker 3: He waited for a while with Pennix. I was when
Speaker 3: it got to I think it was the Giants pick.
Speaker 3: I was like please no.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: After our talk, I was like, I hope this is what.
Speaker 5: Were you thinking though, Falcons go on the clock? I mean,
Speaker 5: are you thinking Falcons there are a possibility there?
Speaker 1: No, Okay, I didn't.
Speaker 5: Where would you think in that he possibly where would
Speaker 5: have been a good fit for him.
Speaker 6: I think he was the best available quarterback. Yeah, honest
Speaker 6: with you, I think he was the best quarterback. After No,
Speaker 6: I think he was the best quarterback. Yeah, yeah, period.
Speaker 6: I think he's better than Wims. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 6: That's just being genuine. That's not even being a fan
Speaker 6: of you. Dub that's I think he's the most pure
Speaker 6: quarterback that was in this draft. Ability to throw the rock.
Speaker 6: This dude is a specimen when he comes to throwing
Speaker 6: that rock. The only reason why they had NOx on
Speaker 6: those is because his injuries before he got to up.
Speaker 6: But his dude led the FBS last did you know,
Speaker 6: not this year, but the previous year in passing and
Speaker 6: then he was the runner up to a Heisman this year,
Speaker 6: so like there was just no respect being placed on
Speaker 6: his name at all. He could make throws that none
Speaker 6: of those guys could make. But I'm happy for him.
Speaker 6: I that was very ballsy of Atlanta to do that,
Speaker 6: but I'm very happy for Pinnicks.
Speaker 5: You no wonder how much it hurt him though, that
Speaker 5: that final game against Michigan.
Speaker 1: It was almost a.
Speaker 5: Little bit of a deer in the headlights. It was
Speaker 5: steel that where you were like the moment like I
Speaker 5: was almost too yeah, And I wonder if that, excuse me,
Speaker 5: I impacted it at all. It shouldn't have because he's
Speaker 5: got such a big body of work. But I always
Speaker 5: wonder with like things like that. But then again, man,
Speaker 5: as someone in that roots against the University of Michigan,
Speaker 5: C J. Stroud did not play well in either of
Speaker 5: Ohio State's games against Michigan, and he comes to the
Speaker 5: NFL and he is a baller.
Speaker 6: So I know we don't have enough time to address
Speaker 6: this question, okay, but I have to bring it up.
Speaker 6: I wanted to talk about well, the cornerback draft too.
Speaker 6: I didn't know how you guys feel about Kaitlin Carson.
Speaker 6: But anyway, real quick, the receiver market is exponentially going up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't tell you that happened right before the draft.
Speaker 6: Quickly does this deal with ceedee LAMB need to get
Speaker 6: done because I'm on Ron Saint Brown got thirty a
Speaker 6: year immediately after Philadelphia. Say hey, JJ, don't even don't
Speaker 6: even don't even raise your eyebrow.
Speaker 1: We got you. Here's thirty two. Yeah, got you. So
Speaker 1: now CDs like oh aj Brown got thirty two. That's interesting,
Speaker 1: Let's start the conversation at thirty four.
Speaker 5: My problem is, though, I will say about this, is
Speaker 5: that we don't know what his side has asked for.
Speaker 5: They might have, They might be asking for thirty five
Speaker 5: right out the game day entire.
Speaker 6: Yesterday's price is not today's price. Quote boy, this but
Speaker 6: his philosopher named fat Joe.
Speaker 5: So what about this, though, I think you don't.
Speaker 3: Have to do it before Justin Jefferson personally, Justin Jeffers's
Speaker 3: gonna wait.
Speaker 5: What if they keep waiting to what if they're willing
Speaker 5: to use multiple franchise tags. I mean, it'll get ugly.
Speaker 5: But what if that what if that's in the.
Speaker 1: And in their plans, then what are you telling Micah?
Speaker 5: No, I'm saying, well, one of them, you'll you'll, You'll
Speaker 5: have to get done the other one.
Speaker 6: I don't see them using a franchise tag on CD
Speaker 6: if this gets ugly because of what it would do
Speaker 6: to Micah.
Speaker 1: So this I'm saying, this deal has to get done
Speaker 1: a sap.
Speaker 5: But but if is Micah going to care if they
Speaker 5: agree to a contract cent you with him makes him
Speaker 5: the highest paid defensive player. Do you think he's really
Speaker 5: gonna be like, Hey, but what about my guy here?
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 6: They better figure it out before Michael gets ever gets
Speaker 6: that close to free agency because I agree that agree price.
Speaker 5: Will be I don't think that CD one's the most
Speaker 5: surprising thing of the off season for me. They always
Speaker 5: want It's not them not doing that much in free
Speaker 5: agency because we we're used to it, Like you know,
Speaker 5: we were talking about the brand of car. Thing that
Speaker 5: it's it's that CD is not done because he's done
Speaker 5: everything to back off all the boxes. There's no questions
Speaker 5: left with the top five receives.
Speaker 3: And I also understand waiting for the market to settle,
Speaker 3: I guess and kind of determine where you want to
Speaker 3: go with that. But my thing is like, you have
Speaker 3: to get it done before.
Speaker 1: What's the number right now? What's the starting.
Speaker 5: That's that conversation. We don't know what what they're asking for.
Speaker 5: What if the entire time they've been asking for thirty five,
Speaker 5: I don't know that I'm just throwing something out. If
Speaker 5: they're asking for thirty five, another guy getting thirty another
Speaker 5: guy getting thirty two isn't really changing.
Speaker 6: But as of right now, let's just say that that
Speaker 6: they weren't asking anything to date.
Speaker 1: What does a conversation start with today?
Speaker 5: If I mean aj Brown, just thirty five?
Speaker 3: Thirty three?
Speaker 5: No, but that's not what you're asking for. You would
Speaker 5: ask for more?
Speaker 3: Oh no, what am I asking forty?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, of course, but I think
Speaker 3: you're hoping for thirty three to thirty five.
Speaker 5: Whatever the contract has to be, it's going to have
Speaker 5: to be. You have to be the next guy that's
Speaker 5: number one.
Speaker 3: And in that years too. Does he want to go
Speaker 3: back to the well, yeah, sooner like Dack didn't.
Speaker 5: I feel like so many these guys, it's four year deals,
Speaker 5: two million game.
Speaker 3: Is he worth two million in the game? Absolutely?
Speaker 5: I think I think CD Lamb is I do.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not saying he's not worth I'm just
Speaker 1: that number one.
Speaker 9: You guys do realize that CD and Jefferson are with
Speaker 9: the same company.
Speaker 1: They're both a c A A.
Speaker 8: So I mean, like, it's not they're both one guy
Speaker 8: is going to start first because they both know what's
Speaker 8: going on.
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: So for sure, let's have him signed the same deal
Speaker 3: at the same time.
Speaker 1: Happening the same day. There's gonna be not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying there c A represents both of them.
Speaker 3: Now they do have different agents within c A, but
Speaker 3: c as well.
Speaker 5: Eventually those guys are gonna want one of those guys
Speaker 5: are gonna want to get their money. Yeah for sure
Speaker 5: that they're gonna be like, Okay, this is fun. Now
Speaker 5: let me get that country.
Speaker 3: This was fun. Yeah, let's let's sign it.
Speaker 5: And then Jamyar chase the top all of them.
Speaker 3: I would assume CD he would want to sign before Justin,
Speaker 3: But I mean whatever, we'll find out.
Speaker 1: Conversation starts at at least thirty three.
Speaker 3: Thirty three yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Now at AJ Brown and I'm around Saint Brown have
Speaker 5: reset that market, absolutely, it does, all right. It's not
Speaker 5: like we're gonna come back here. We're gonna be like, hey,
Speaker 5: it's crazy marketing. Hey, top guys getting twenty five. Now
Speaker 5: it's on the other side.
Speaker 1: He's sitting on the couch right now with his ankles
Speaker 1: crossed with a toothpieck.
Speaker 5: Just yeah, wait, go ahead, But how long can you
Speaker 5: do that for?
Speaker 1: He can do it for as long as it needs to.
Speaker 1: Is not with a cowboys can no.
Speaker 5: But I'm saying that Jamar would be the next guy.
Speaker 5: Then he would reset over all of them. I'm not
Speaker 5: I don't really care about the agency, to be honest
Speaker 5: with you, I think all these guys all want to
Speaker 5: each who whether they're represented by the three of us
Speaker 5: or somebody else, they all want to reset the market.
Speaker 3: All right, boys, That'll be it for talking Cowboys. We'll
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