1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard and Bradford, 5 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: at Therapy for Black Girls dot com. While I hope 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: you love listening to and learning from the podcast, it 9 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: is not meant to be a substitute for a relationship 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so 11 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: much for joining me for session to seventy three of 12 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: the Therapy for a Black Girl's Podcast. We'll get right 13 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: into our conversation after a word from our sponsors. Your 14 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: biggest lessons actually come from your failures. You very rarely 15 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: hear people say like, man, I have this wind, and yes, 16 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: I learned so much. But actually the bigger lessons come 17 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: from the failures. And in that failure, I've realized, girl, 18 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: you need some help, and girl, it's okay to get 19 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: that help. A little tip that a friend gave me 20 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: many many years ago, a monk that I didn't work 21 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: with was look at the tip of your nose with 22 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: your eyes closed. When you feel your thoughts coming in 23 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: to recenter, without using a mantra or without being guided, 24 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: look down at the tip of your nose while your 25 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: eyes are closed as a way to be focused. Dr 26 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Anita Phillips is so amazing. She's a psychologist, but she's 27 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: also a minister. And I've taken this quote from her 28 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: and I've used it since prayer is a weapon, therapy 29 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: is a strategy, and those are for people who possibly 30 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: are wandering. Should I be a believer and go to therapy? 31 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: Like absolutely? What should be a place where kids are 32 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: learning the ads and cs of fort and life. And 33 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: if we can bring that to our young black girl. 34 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: The way they go into a healthy black girl using 35 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: someone biles in the Naomi with soccer is that you know, hey, 36 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: look she said no, she said her health first, and 37 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: you can say that too. I think it is like 38 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm getting chills just even thinking about it. I encourage women, 39 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: actually every kind of new professional to think of themselves 40 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: as a free agent. I think sometimes we get too 41 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: locked in to a single institution and we feel as 42 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: though we have something to prove in order to get 43 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: the fair treatment that we deserve to begin with, and 44 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: so rather on taking on all that work of a 45 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: system that is sick, I say, always have your performance 46 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: at a level where you are attractive to lots of 47 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: different institutions, lots of different organizations, and have a healthy 48 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: level of distance from your workplace. Understand that it is work. 49 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: As we began the conversation, we spend a lot of 50 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: time at work with those people. It provides us money, 51 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: sometimes it provides us a sense of identity. But you 52 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: also are valuable and you can be valuable to lots 53 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: of other places in different industries, different locations. I can't 54 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: believe we've been building the Therapy for Black Girls podcast 55 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: for the past five years, five years of healing, conversations 56 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: of growth, mental health education, and we've made it here 57 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: because of your less encouragement and support. During our time together, 58 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: we've shared over two hundred and fifty episodes and celebrate 59 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: over twenty six million downloads. Thank you all so much 60 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: for listening and amplifying the work that we do here. 61 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: We're looking forward to doing much more in the years 62 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: to come. Joining me today as we continue to celebrate 63 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: this momentous occasion are our amazing team of podcast producers 64 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: Cindy okarek, Elise Ellis, and Freda Lucas. In our conversation, 65 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: we chatted about the individual origin stories of how they 66 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: each joined the team, what we are most proud of, 67 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: what we're looking forward to, and how we'd like to 68 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: continue making an impact in the lives of black women 69 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: and girls. If something resonates with you while enjoying our conversation, 70 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: please share with us on social media using the hashtag 71 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: TVG in session or join us over in the Sister 72 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: Circle to talk more in depth about the episode. You 73 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: can join us at community that Therapy for Black Girls 74 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: dot com. Here's our conversation. So, I guess we can 75 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: get started by everybody sharing who they are and your 76 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: role on the team and how long you have been 77 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: here with Therapy for Black Girls. Do you want to 78 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: get started? Cindy, all right, I started in April as 79 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: a producer for Therapy for Black Girls, so I've been 80 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: here about two years. That math is right, Hi, I'm Elise. 81 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: I started with Therapy for Black Girls in May one 82 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: as the assistant producer until I've been here a year 83 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: and some change and now I'm the producer on the 84 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: podcast and Freedom It's Your Girl Freedom. I started with 85 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls around November twenty one, and I'm 86 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: also one of the producers on the show, so I'm 87 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: almost at my one year mark. So Cindy, I know, 88 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I knew you had been here, but I 89 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: don't think I realized that, um, you hadn't started before 90 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: the pandemic, because it felt like you hit but clearly 91 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: you had not. No, honestly, I think I give that 92 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: realizing like it has not been that long. I know, 93 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: I give that energy. Yet a lot I've heard is that, um, 94 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: I just I come in and I very much immersed 95 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: myself and then next thing you know, you're like, oh, 96 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: this person has always been here. But yeah, I started 97 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: like in the pandemic with you, which, honestly, I was like, 98 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: this is so cool, especially because my primary background in 99 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: podcasting has mostly been marketing, but like creating for audiences, 100 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: so it's been really nice to be on the I 101 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: guess front end of that content creation and not just 102 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: the promotional side. Mm hmmm. Yeah. I think I was 103 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: also the thing like, oh wow, I did not have 104 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: any producers besides my husband this whole time, which is 105 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: why women joined the team. I don't know how you did. 106 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: What was I thinking? Y'all have made everything so much better? 107 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: Happy to do it? Oh yeah, I don't know. I 108 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: mean I think in a lot of ways similar to 109 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: like what we do now, just kind of being in 110 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: tune with the community. But I think, you know, as 111 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: my like job has changed, I'm finishing up the book 112 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: and have been doing more speaking, like I haven't been 113 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: able to kind of have my ear to the street, 114 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: so to speak, in the same ways, which is why 115 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: y'all have been so much more valuable right in in 116 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: terms of just kind of keeping an eye out around 117 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: the kinds of topics and the kinds of things and 118 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: kinds of conversations we want to have with the community. 119 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, each of you, I think 120 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: have such a beautiful origin story here at Therapy for 121 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: Black Girls, And I'm curious to know, like what you 122 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: knew or thought about Therapy for Black Girls before you 123 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: actually joined the team. So my cousin sent me the 124 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: job via d M. She knew I went to get 125 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: into podcasting. I had done some podcasting in college and 126 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: worked for a podcast turned video product, and so I 127 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna apply. But I had followed Therapy 128 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: for Black Girls for maybe like two years before that. 129 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: My mom sends me at least twenty d ms every 130 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: day on Instagram, and so some day back then she 131 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: had sent me a Therapy for Black Girls post. So 132 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: I followed it for a while, and one of my 133 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: therapists had recommended me specific episodes to listen to before, 134 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: so I had heard the podcast and I was I 135 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: don't know, I was just like super excited to even apply. 136 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: But I was always really in awe of just like 137 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: the community that was built. I really just love seeing 138 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: like strong digital communities that cater to people, specifically black women. 139 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: I know, you know, we've had episodes about how being 140 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: online can be really hard for our community, and so 141 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: I think that's what excited me the most, like contribute 142 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: something positive and I don't want to say like a 143 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: slew of negativity, but there are a lot of podcasts 144 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: that are a bit like negative and speak down on 145 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: black women, just a lot of content online, and so 146 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: to be a part of something that's a little more 147 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: forward thinking that was exciting for me. Before Therapy for 148 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: Black Girls, I was working for a predominantly white publication 149 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: on the podcast, and I remember finishing the specific project 150 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: and being like, it would be great just to work 151 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: with black people. And at the time that wish was 152 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: a bit too broad because I kept getting reached out 153 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: to to do projects about black pain and trauma, and 154 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, let's make this wish more specific. 155 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: I would love to work with black people on things 156 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: that actually making us more empowered and more educated and 157 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: just allowing us to live even greater lives. And I 158 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: was a part of a podcasting list Serve, and someone 159 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: listed that there was an opening a therapy for black girls, 160 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: and the person who was sharing the recommendation was just 161 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: raving about you, Dr Joy, and so I said, I 162 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: think this is it. I think that this is probably 163 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: going to be an all black team or predominantly black team, 164 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: and based off of the catalog of episodes if you 165 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: had done at the time, I was like, Okay, this 166 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: is not centered around black pain, black trauma, but instead 167 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: how do we move forward and create new paths for 168 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: ourselves as black people? And I was like, wish, Granted, yes, 169 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: I love that, because similarly, for me, it was very 170 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: much about like what this represents, just because therapy has 171 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: been so foundational for me and like trying formative, and 172 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: also the idea that I work in marketing. I've built 173 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: like a lot of digital communities, and like at some 174 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: point sometimes you're just like it gets icy out there, 175 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: and so to see like a space that really centers 176 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: around like uplifting, like teaching and empowering, and also the 177 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: fact that the knowledge is coming from experts, like people 178 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: who both practice, who've studied, who've researched, who are just 179 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: very educated and knowledgeable about it. Because pop culture in 180 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: general has latched onto therapy and therapeutic language a lot, 181 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: and so being able to sort of be part of 182 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: something that helps balance that and offer tools to people 183 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: that are tried, tested and then also like vetted, just 184 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: felt really special for me. And so a friend had 185 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: recommended I checked this out, but I had also been 186 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: organically following therapy for black girls just because I'm super 187 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: interested in like wellness and mental health, and so it 188 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: was really cool to be on the other side. I 189 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: don't know that I had heard all of these individual 190 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: origin stories, so Freedom you really kind of manifested us. 191 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: It feels like, man, I love that she's spoken up 192 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: and got very specific about what kind of work she 193 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: wanted to do. Yeah, And I think, you know, just 194 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: even in you sharing those stories, I think that they 195 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of speak to all the individual strengths you all 196 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: bring to the team. Like I just feel like there 197 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: are many different lenses and perspectives that we each have, 198 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: even though we are all black women, right, and so 199 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: it just feels really interesting and I think that that's 200 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: like what makes the team so strong. So to date, 201 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: even though your tenures have not always been that long, 202 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: what are some things that you are really proud of 203 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: having accomplished as a part of the team at least 204 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: I know firsthand just the research and the outreach it 205 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: took to get certain people. Books can be a lot, 206 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: but then also like what we did with those conversations 207 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: and to have them be really strong but also not 208 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,239 Speaker 1: model or be different than there are other podcasts, appearances, 209 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: and interviews, I think that's something really proud of, So 210 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: being able to get really substantial people in the mental 211 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: health field outside of it, but also being able to 212 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: do something different with those conversations, have them have that 213 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: mental health angle, which is something you don't really see 214 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: at other publications, outlets, podcasts. Things like that go ahead Cindy, 215 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Well, for me, I think it's also a 216 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: combination of being able to sort of broaden the topics 217 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: and bring pop culture touchpoints to the conversations around mental health, 218 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: because I think around the time we started, we were 219 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: doing a lot of episodes around insecure and how that 220 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: manifest in your friendships and like mental health and that 221 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: journey in those conversations that kind of feel like fun 222 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: and more light, but they're very grounded and something that 223 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: feels universal for all of us. And then beyond that, 224 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: it's also being able to bring things like nature therapy 225 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: and like Tara Therapy, just like these other apps x 226 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: of black womanhood that aren't often explored, and being able 227 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: to speak to like all the different ways that black 228 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: women show up in society and culture and everything. And 229 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: then also the fact that I feel like a year 230 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: after I started, we like went on our whole podcast 231 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: awards run, which was really really cool and exciting just 232 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: being able to add to the platform and getting a 233 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: lot more attention and more eyes and being able to 234 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: service more people within the community because there were like 235 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: these moments where we were being celebrated. I would say 236 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: in the almost a year that I've been here. The 237 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: two episodes that stand out immediately are Black Women in Suicide, 238 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: particularly the question that we x that was a two 239 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: guest episode, the question we asked about selfishness and suicide 240 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: because I do think, speaking from my own perspective, my 241 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: family isn't in therapy. It's still not something that they 242 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: are wanting to do. However, and we say this in 243 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: the show that this is not a substitute, but I 244 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: know that for a lot of people, they do use 245 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: it as a substitute because they're not ready. And I 246 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: think hearing those kinds of questions that maybe people have 247 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: asked themselves or thought about themselves, and then hearing the 248 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: response that they really wouldn't have thought of because they're 249 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: not a trained professional, I think that begins to open 250 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: the doors to oh when people talk about healing generational trauma. 251 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: It's one of the ways it is really getting these 252 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: pieces of language and intense research that these experts have 253 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: done two come to these understandings that a lot of 254 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: people don't have the space and energy to arrive at. 255 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: And so that episode stands out because one of the 256 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: issue is very taboo I think still in the black community, 257 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: and I think as well. At least for me, it 258 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: debunked a lot of the things that I thought that 259 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: I knew. And I think a lot of the healing 260 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: that sometimes I notice people aren't able to receive is 261 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: because they think that they know and they don't realize 262 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: what they don't know until they hear what is you know, 263 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: what is more factual? So that episode stands out a lot. 264 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: And then from a editorial perspective, from a sound perspective, 265 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: I love our History of Minority Mental Health Month. I 266 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: love that episode. To me, it felt like that could 267 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: be on a like A and E or History Channel, 268 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: and so so I'm very excited about our ability to 269 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: also tell more historical understandings of the mental health space. 270 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: Even today, we interviewed a guest and I don't want 271 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: to say who it is yet because the episode may 272 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: not be out by the time we talk about it. 273 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: But they broke down this historical understanding of friendship and 274 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: how friendship change over years and based off of the 275 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: influences of mental professionals and therapists and psychologists. And so 276 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: I think, Cindy, when you talked about pop culture latching 277 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: onto therapy, I think it's also important to note that 278 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: therapy can really impact how we live, and so I 279 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: really do believe we have the capacity and I'm proud 280 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: of this, that we have the capacity to change how 281 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: we see people showing up on TV right, how characters 282 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: behave Because if we can change the normalcy of how 283 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: people speak to each other, talk to their friends, talk 284 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: to themselves, because we're educating them on the ways in 285 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: which they can be healthier and more well rounded people, 286 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: which is our goal, we can literally change the world. 287 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: And that feels really powerful to be like, Oh, I'm 288 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: a part of a show that I'm literally changing people's 289 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: lives and I can maybe not measuring it, but like 290 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: you can see it in behaviors, And to me, that 291 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: is what I continue to be proud of and what 292 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: I know like that will want me to continue being 293 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: a part of this incredibile show. I love that. Also, 294 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: special shout out, just because that episode that you were 295 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: talking about was something that solidified for me, just like 296 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: how powerful this team is being able to put together 297 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: something like that that I think we had like kernels 298 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: of ideas about doing something like that, but being able 299 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: to actually execute it. Just that we are only like 300 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: going to get more powerful and amazing from here, Like 301 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: the storytelling was magnificent, and so shout out to Frieda 302 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: for also leading the charge on that. More from our 303 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: conversation after the break. You know something you said, Freda 304 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: that I want to hear y'all take on. So, I 305 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: think this is something I spent a lot of time 306 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: thinking about, probably a lot in large part because of 307 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: my training, right you know, so I'm always thinking about 308 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: like the ethics of like what kinds of things we share, 309 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: and like how is this going to be received? And 310 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: to your point, I think, because so many people tune 311 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: in to our content, it feels like a huge responsibility 312 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: to me a lot of times, right that. You know, 313 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: like you said, like it. Of course it's not designed 314 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: to be a substitute, but I am well aware that 315 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: this could be like planting a seed for somebody who 316 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: will then go to therapy, or even if they never 317 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: decide to go to therapy, they hear something on the 318 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: podcast that changes something for them. And so I think 319 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: with that kind of power that you're talking about comes 320 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: a great responsibility, And so I just love to hear 321 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: how y'all think about that when we're thinking about like 322 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: the kinds of topics we're going to talk about, are 323 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: the kinds of guests that we're going to be in 324 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: conversation with, Like, does that sense of responsibility play a 325 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: factor in that for you at all? It absolutely does 326 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: for me, especially when I had first started, like I 327 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we were talking to the 328 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: right people for everything, just because like, there is so 329 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: much responsibility about this, and I've also seen it from 330 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: other ends and like the work that I've done, what 331 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: sort of irresponsible advice or misinformation can do that? Even 332 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: for me, I was like even extra cautious and wanted 333 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: to make sure that they had all the credentials and 334 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: degrees and like talk to them first and make sure 335 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: that this is the right step, because we really are 336 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: responsible and being able to have someone asked those questions 337 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: that Frieda was talking about that like sparked the idea, 338 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 1: oh maybe I should look into this and giving them 339 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: those language tools. For me, I was like, it's really 340 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: important work, and so I brought that to every guest 341 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: or topic that we would do. I would say, Dr Joey, 342 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: you remind me to do that, not specific but in 343 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: the way that you take it so seriously, And that's 344 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: one of the things that I appreciate so much about 345 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: working with you as recently for those listening, Dr Joy 346 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: has been like, Hey, can y'all give this a second 347 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: lesson just to make sure that it's approachable and just 348 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: to make sure that it's clear. And and so I 349 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: think what's clear about you, Dr Joy? You are not 350 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: just trying to get on the mic, to be on 351 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: the mic and to hear your voice being heard. And 352 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: I think that that really shows in the work that 353 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: we are able to publish, because it really is grounded 354 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: in what feels like your true true goal to educate 355 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: and free a lot of black women from the stresses 356 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: and the terrors that life tries to throw at us. 357 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: And so that's something that I've been bringing to just 358 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: my work in general, just just trying to really think about, Okay, 359 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: for this person who may be listening in a small 360 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: town who doesn't have access to the things that I 361 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: may have access to, is this gonna resonate with them, 362 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: or is it gonna make sense to them in the 363 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: same way that maybe someone who's living in a metropolitan city. 364 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: And and I think it's it really feels like your 365 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: love for black women shine through that when you ask 366 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: us to do those additional screenings and run throughs of 367 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: the episodes, and I just appreciate you for that. I 368 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: definitely agree with freedom the thoroughness that Dr Joy has 369 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: like cultivated in the entire brand, from the moment we 370 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: pitched guests to researching two. When we're editing the episode, 371 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: I'm always thinking about how can we be like the 372 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: most thorough and most accurate. And even in one of 373 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: our episodes with bridget Todd, we talked about like misinformation 374 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: on the internet, and I never want us to be 375 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: like the donkey of the day with misformation. So I'm 376 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: always think about, yes, like how can we serve our audience, 377 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: But you know, how can we not be out here 378 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: looking crazy? And so I never want to work for 379 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: anything or put anything out in the world that's uh 380 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: the most thorough. And I'm a bit of a perfectionist, 381 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: and so I know I'm super judgmental of bad content 382 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: and content that's not well researched, or when they don't 383 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: really engage the guests in a way that gets the 384 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: most out of their expertise. I think we do all 385 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: that because I think everyone on the team is thinking 386 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: about those things. So I have my own ideas, but 387 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: I feel like I want to hear from y'all too. 388 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: What do you think individually makes the team works so well? 389 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: Like which strings do you feel like your other teammates have? 390 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: That really, I think leads to such a stellar show. 391 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: Frieda is so organized and she is like the queen 392 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: of just like following up and persistent, and I just 393 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: really appreciate that because sometimes even within myself, like when 394 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: we have a guest who it's like difficult to book, 395 00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: you know, out not reply for, or you know, I'm 396 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: just like Okay, I'm I need to regroup and recenter, 397 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: and I think Freda reminds me like to keep going, 398 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: and I just really appreciate that. And then, you know, 399 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: when I first joined the team, I was working with 400 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: Cindy and learning like her process was really beneficial to me. 401 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: And I think one of the greatest things about like 402 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: good managers is them having like good process and the 403 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: ability to like explain the organization and like the podcast 404 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: goals and so Cindy's like vision for what Therapy for 405 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Black Girls is and what we do that really helped 406 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: me on board really well. And then of course Dr 407 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: Joy is our host, and I what I appreciate is 408 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: I feel like therapy has written off as like boring 409 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: and the fact that we have the pop culture angle 410 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: and the fact that Dr Joy you understand that, yes, 411 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: there's a seriousness and your expertise is there, but also 412 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 1: what we think about in like our relationships and our 413 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: own personal growth and development literally shows up everywhere in 414 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: the world. Having that perspective, I think really is the 415 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: glue for the team and it really drives our mission forward. 416 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: So that's what I appreciate about the scene. And then 417 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: shout out to Dennison. The editing, the quality control is there, 418 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: and I appreciate that because, like I said earlier, I 419 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: don't want us sounding crazy. I don't know how to 420 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: follow that because like it was so perfectly stated, because 421 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: like I just feel like at least really brings a 422 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: lot of like perspective and then like thoroughness, Like I 423 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: really appreciate like the follow up, the organization, like the 424 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: way that you like adapt really well to different like scenarios, 425 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: guests like different things. It's like, Hey, we're gonna like 426 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: rearrange this entire script, and you're like all right, Bet, 427 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: and then you're just like in it and you're doing it, 428 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: and so like I love that like initiative and that 429 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: activity Freda honestly the organization. I was like, wow, she 430 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: took the ship from my brain that I just can't do, 431 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: like the way my brain works. I'm like, and then 432 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: you literally just made it like so quickly, and I 433 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, this is it. Like 434 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: this is what I was like seeing and like me 435 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: and a Lisa were trying to like make it happen, 436 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: but like you literally came and just like put that 437 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: ship together, and I'm just like, wow, I'm still speakless. 438 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, and so I just love that. 439 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: And then like Dr Joy, like you just come so 440 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: prepared like as a host, like you are when I 441 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: say that, like you're one of the easiest hosts I've 442 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: ever worked with in the sense that you understand what 443 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: we're trying to do. If I'm like, this is sort 444 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: of the p o V. This is like high level 445 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: what we want to get out of this. The key 446 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: takeaways just like quick like hits. Even if we're like 447 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: all right, this whole conversation, just strike it because we 448 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: found a new tangent, you like flow with it so well. 449 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: Because you came prepared initially and I was like, I 450 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: don't know if they can talk about this, but if 451 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: we do get there, here's another option. And so I 452 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: just love that's what you bring to the team. And 453 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: then the idea that you're just very open to like 454 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: learning new things, like I know that the horoscope one. 455 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: You're like, girl, I don't know what a birth chart is? 456 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: What is this? What is happening? But because I was like, 457 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: I've seen it, you sort of as this development tool. 458 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: There are some parallels here. Are you just willing to 459 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: see like what we can find? And it like brings 460 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: me joy that we were able to like tap into 461 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: something that we like that people didn't really think we're 462 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: like closely associated, but being able to take that chance 463 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 1: because you're like, I understand that this is for like 464 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: our audience, and like I am seeing the kernels of this. 465 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: I might not be able to put it together, but 466 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: I do trust. It's the trust you very much trust 467 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: your team, and I think that is something that's like 468 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: really really beautiful. All Right, So I'm gonna start with Dennison. 469 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: First of all, for every team that does not have 470 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: an in house audio engineering producer, I'm sorry for you. 471 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry for you. Dennison brings to life all of 472 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: our ideas musically, audio, editing wise, and his level of 473 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 1: expertise and excellence and how this show must sound on 474 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: a weekly basis. Cindy and Lise and I are always like, 475 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: how did she do it? How did she do it? 476 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: For all these years with Dennison. That's how Dennison sat 477 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: down with Lisa and I. I think we did a 478 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: two hour learning session to learn descript, to see how 479 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: he edits our show and descript. Within the first ten minutes, 480 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: Alice and I couldn't stop saying Wow, Wow, who who 481 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: knew all of these features in the program? Dr Joy, 482 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: You are so as Cindy mentioned, genuinely curious and even 483 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: though you are in this field, you are true to this, 484 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: You're not new to this. You still approach it with 485 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: a new energy of Oh I've never heard of that 486 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: perspective before, or I'm so glad that you brought that up. 487 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: So Dr Dorry, you are so incredibly prepared, so wonderfully curious, 488 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: and it shows. I would not be surprised if you 489 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: are our guest favorite interview experience because of your curiosity 490 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: and your preparedness. It makes them shine because they're able 491 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: to really go in depth to the things that they've 492 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: been studying or writing about our learning for years, and 493 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: that curiosity makes them excited to share more. Alice has 494 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: her ear to the streets. Okay, Alice is our team 495 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: fly girl. She knows what's going on on the circuit, 496 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: and not just in her city. We're not just talking 497 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: about where she lives. She's got hands in New York, 498 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: she got hands in l A. She got West Coast, 499 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: the South, it's all over. It is fascinating to be 500 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: able to be working with someone who is so in 501 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: touch all over and then also very precise in the 502 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 1: work that they do right, because sometimes people will have 503 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,239 Speaker 1: all of these tentacles all over the place and then 504 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: they don't know where they left their left shoe. The 505 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: research that at least does y'all on a weekly basis 506 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: for these prep documents. She's going into the catacombs. She's like. 507 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: They had an interview from a couple of years ago. 508 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: I looked through that a little bit just to see 509 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: if there was anything interesting. I pulled a little bit 510 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: that they had a book. I read the first chapter. 511 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: I said, you read a book, and you also watched interviews, 512 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: and you put it all together. Her ability to process 513 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: information and allow it to concisely be relayed to the 514 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: rest of the team ten out of ten. And then, Cindy, 515 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: you're the blueprint. The only reason I was able to 516 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: make our production schedule and the other things was because one, 517 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: there's never a dearth of ideas. I came on the 518 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: show and you all had so many ideas. I was like, Okay, cool, 519 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: I just gotta put this in a calendar, no problem. 520 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: There are other show where it feels like I don't 521 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: know what we're gonna do next. Cindy's like, well, I 522 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: saw this on Twitter and Instagram, and I thought that 523 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: this would be cool to talk about and all these things. 524 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: And so just the energy and the intention that you 525 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: set onto the show for at least and I to 526 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: succeed continues to play out in our success. Yo, just 527 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: make my heart so warm more from our conversation after 528 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: the break to me, is not a surprise why the 529 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: show is as successful as it is with a team 530 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: like you all like you know, like I feel like 531 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: I did okay by myself, but like all of you 532 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: being on board, it's just like skyrocketed. You know, I 533 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: think what we have been able to do, and I'm 534 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: just I feel so grateful that you all are the 535 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: team because it just feels like there is no limit 536 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: to where we can go. I echo all of the 537 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: sentiments around the organization for you to and just the 538 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: you know, like, I feel like I have really stretched 539 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: with you on the production team because I'm like, I 540 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: don't know, fred to, I don't know about that, but 541 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: again I will trust you know that if you hear it, 542 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: you know we can make it work, right, and then 543 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: those turn out to be beautiful episodes. And agree, I 544 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: don't know how these does all of the things that 545 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: she does, all the things she's reading and researching, and 546 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, just like you said, has her hand in 547 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: so many pots. It just feels like it all really 548 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: comes together when you see the prep docs because it's like, wow, 549 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even thought to ask about that or 550 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: didn't even know that they did that. So I think 551 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: the level of research and detail that you bring to 552 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: the prep docs in our preparation for the interviews just 553 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: shows up then. And I agree, that's Indie is the blueprint. 554 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: Clearly you know took us to that award winning season 555 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: that we had, and you know, I think it's really 556 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, solidified, like the things that we were able 557 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: to do and that we continue to be able to do. 558 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: And I think the camaraderie that we all have from 559 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: one another is what shows up in the show, right 560 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: like that, you know, we are talking as a team, 561 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: we are relating well to one another as a team, 562 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: and so then we do that with our guests, and 563 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: I think that that kind of love also shows up 564 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: in the episode. So, like you mentioned free to you know, 565 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: there are no lack of topics, like there are so 566 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: many things that we want to talk about. What haven't 567 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: we done yet that y'all are really excited to hopefully 568 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: see happen either a topic or a guest that you 569 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, this is really what I want to 570 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: see happen. Black women navigating politics, guests starring Michelle Obama, 571 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: the mental health tolls of being in the political sphere, 572 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: in the public eye, in that area of life, and 573 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: speaking with the former First Lady Michelle Obama on how 574 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: she navigated it. So I think for me, my dream 575 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: is both Meg the Stallion and Beyonce, just because I 576 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: feel like they are you know, two incredibly powerful women 577 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: with lots of different stories that I don't think we 578 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: always get to hear, and I understand why they both 579 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: are a bit reticent to do interviews a lot. But 580 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: I also think because of the reasons we have talked 581 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: about the care and the level of preparation we go 582 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: into interviews with, I think we would give them both 583 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: incredible interview experiences. And I also think our community would 584 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: really just love to hear some of the conversations that 585 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: I know we would have with them. So they both 586 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: are on my dream wish list. This one's just really 587 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: hard for me because like a lot of my topics 588 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: to kind of come in the moment a little bit, 589 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: or like at three am when I can't sleep and 590 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm just in a rabbit hole. But Meg was also 591 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: someone that I thought we should definitely talk to, and 592 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: then another person because I've been watching a lot of 593 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: p Valley and like, I just continue to like just 594 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: think about all of the conversations that we could have 595 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: around that show. In particular, I'm like, I feel like 596 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: Cardi would also be a really great guest to sort 597 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: of like concratise that for people to in a certain 598 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: way just because like I think both like the way 599 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: she speaks in her experiences and stuff like that would 600 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: also just be a really great topic to explore with her. 601 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'll just continue to think on it because 602 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: like up until a little bit ago, like cult was 603 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: like the thing, so I was like, we did that, 604 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: So this is I don't know a little more on 605 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: the serious side. But I don't know. If you guys 606 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: seen the HBO documentary it's called On the Record, and 607 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: it follows Drew Dixon who was like a music executive 608 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: and she was sexually assaulted by Russell Simmons. I would 609 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: like to have conversations with more women in the industry 610 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 1: who went through those things. So like Drew Dixon, Dee Barnes, 611 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: the music journalists who was physically assaulted by Dr Dre, 612 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: I think those conversations are really important. And of course, 613 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: like a lot of women, a lot of women have 614 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: speaken out about this, but continuing to like give them 615 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: a plat form and also talk to them about a 616 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: lot of their decisions, so like leave the entertainment industry 617 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: after experiencing that, and like what advice would they have 618 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: to like other young women navigating situations like that are 619 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: just being a woman in the entertainment industry. I think 620 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: those will really be important conversation. So inspired by that documentary, 621 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: that's a good one. I feel like we can make 622 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: that one happen. We do have our meeting Tuesday. Speaking 623 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: of Tuesday morning meetings, one of my favorite parts of 624 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: that meeting now that you are really organizing that for you, 625 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: because we didn't really have structure before. We're just like, okay, 626 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: well were wanna talk about it? So again you and 627 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: you're a brilliant structure. One of my favorite parts of 628 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: those meetings is where we kind of review feedback that 629 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: we get from the community. Right, so what reviews, what 630 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: are you call it? What the girls are saying? And 631 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: so on. In that note, I would love to hear 632 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: what feedback have you gotten about the podcast that has 633 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: really stuck with you that maybe helps you on the 634 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: tough days? Like what feedback do you really hold close 635 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: to your heart? I can't remember who, but it's I 636 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: think it was something along the lines. I saw something 637 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,959 Speaker 1: about therapy for black girls really makes me feel seen, 638 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: and like that's just something that like sticks to me 639 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: just because I think that's just so important because black 640 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: women often are both like hyper visible but like fully 641 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: invisible at the same time. So the fact that this 642 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: space is something that allows people to feel seen is 643 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: something that is stuck with me, and I wish I 644 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: could remember who or what tweet I saw, But if 645 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: that's you, thank you. I enjoy when I am talking 646 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: with people about therapy and they, without knowing that I 647 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: work for therapy for Black girls, say that that's how 648 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: they found their therapists. I really enjoyed that. I also 649 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: agree just sometimes scrolling through the Twitter and seeing like 650 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: the retweets of people saying, oh, I found my therapist 651 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: through there for black girls, that's always great feedback. But 652 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: then this June, when we did an episode on a 653 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: sexuality and a romanticism, seeing some of the tweets and 654 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: then some of the positive Instagram comments about how people 655 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: in that community felt seen, especially given it was Pride 656 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: month and sometimes people on the a sexual spectrum are 657 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: like left out of those conversations, it felt really good 658 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: to know that, like, we highlighted a part of our 659 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: community who felt unseen and we did an episode for them. 660 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: But also that feedback kind of made me like, remember 661 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: how important like research and thoroughness is because I never, 662 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: i guess even like really engaged with any type of 663 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: media books, podcasts about the a sexual experience, and so 664 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: I kind of came in that super blind and being 665 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: able to like really put my ear to the streets, 666 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,320 Speaker 1: eyes to the books, and get the research reaching the 667 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: prep done to make a good episode where someone felt 668 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: seen that felt really good and like inspires me to 669 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: keep going. Yeah, I agree with all of that. I 670 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: do think that is probably my favorite part of the work, 671 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: is like just making black women feel seen across the spectrum. 672 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: And I think that that is something that the team 673 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: does really well. Is like, there are these general topics 674 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: that we know we want to talk about, right, so 675 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: let's talk about healthy relationships, let's talk about friendships, let's 676 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: talk about whatever. But I also think we strive really 677 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: hard to like make as many pockets of sisters feel seen. 678 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: So I know that came up early Cindy, when we 679 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: were talking about like the gaming conversation, right, so black 680 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: women in gaming, and like how many pockets of people 681 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: who feel like, oh, there's never a conversation from me, 682 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: or there's never a space for me, Like we want 683 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: to bring all of them in, right, And so how 684 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: many different people can we make seen in our content? 685 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: I think it is really something that we strive for 686 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people appreciating to that 687 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: is the feedback that I appreciate you that we do 688 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: make so many people feel seen. So we could go 689 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: on for quite some time, but but I do want 690 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: to wrap us up with one final question. So what's next? 691 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: Not necessarily in terms of guests and episode topics because 692 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: we've already covered that, but like in the five year 693 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: plan for the Therapy for Black Girls podcasts, what does 694 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: that look like for each of you? I know we've 695 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: already started featuring different I guess show formats on the podcast, 696 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: and so I want to continue doing that. So more 697 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: things like what we did for Minority Mental Health Month 698 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: with the narration, the many episodes we did with the advice, 699 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: just switching up how the show sounds on a week 700 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: to week basis, and Freeda mentioned this in one of 701 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: our meetings a few weeks back. I don't want people 702 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: to know what they're gonna get week to week, like 703 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: I want them to be genuinely like shocked and excited 704 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 1: for it. And then we also have done like what 705 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: our spaces and I know Amazon is launching a platform 706 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: called AMP which is like live radio, and so seeing 707 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: ways in which we can do more experimental things in 708 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 1: the audio space and have different conversations. Hopefully once it's 709 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: safe outside, we can do more like live in person 710 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: events and producing those, and so seeing ways we can 711 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: expand audio storytelling from people's podcasts app to other mediums 712 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: that really excites me. I would have to echo that 713 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: in person element at least, because the community really has 714 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: been bigging for that and we want to give it 715 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: to you, y'all, We really do, but we also are 716 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: trying to say as safe as possible. But you know, 717 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: I do think the community wants to come together, right like. 718 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: I think that is something the podcast is also really 719 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: cool for, is that, like it gives people a thing 720 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: to come together around, and so they have really been 721 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: asking to have some kind of event where they can 722 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: meet other people who love the podcast. So I think 723 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: that that's what I'm excited about too. I'm also really 724 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: at it about the team growing, because again, I just 725 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: think we have such a superstar squad here already, but 726 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 1: I know that we could be only better by having 727 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: other voices right in, other people who stretch us. So 728 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm also excited to see like how the team grows 729 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: to continue making such great content all of that. I honestly, 730 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: I'm just like a full format like talk show was 731 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: sort of the first thing that came to my mind 732 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 1: just because, like I know, I'm like, you're like, I'm 733 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: stressed already, but it's this idea that for me at least, 734 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: there's also often like a lack of like expertise and 735 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: stuff like in those areas. So having a space that 736 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: combines those things is always something that's like really important 737 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: for me. Like I'm big on entertainment, like because learning 738 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: can be fun, and maybe that's the nerd in me, 739 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: but it's the idea that therapy for black girls can 740 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: also bring you that real life experience, be able to 741 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 1: like play with format and do all these different things 742 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 1: and be able to speak to and reach broader audiences. 743 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about programming for like across age demographics 744 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,399 Speaker 1: and so tapping into a younger audience. I don't want 745 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: to give anything away because, like a Li said, I 746 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: don't want y'all know what we're working on until it's 747 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 1: ready on our Beyonce stuff, but just know, for the 748 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: younger folks, we see you, and then also connecting that, right, 749 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: where are younger folks and are older folks? How can 750 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: we in ways foster more multigenerational conversations, multigenerational healing. Because 751 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: it's all good if the twenty five year olds are 752 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: healing and eradicating generational trauma, but grandma has tripping. That's difficult. 753 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: So how can we make it all together? Cohesive? And 754 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: plus one? On the Dr Joy Talk show Therapy for 755 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: Black Girls Talk show TVG Network. I mean, the sky 756 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: is the limit. And I think the great thing about 757 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: what we're building is that I feel like the way 758 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: that we are building this show is so intentional and 759 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: making every episode, every month, every quarter incrementally better, that 760 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: we are really building the structure to have a network. Right, 761 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: maybe that is something that we achieve in the next 762 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: five years or in the next ten years. I feel 763 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,839 Speaker 1: like we're building it with so much intention that the 764 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: foundation is going to be so strong so that if 765 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: we do want to pivot into doing something larger than 766 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: what we're doing now, it's going to be a seamless 767 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: transition into that. I love those big visions. I love it. 768 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: I love it so clearly we wouldn't need more team 769 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: for that because the four of us alone plus Dennis 770 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: and cannot build all of those different verticals, So stay tuned, y'all. Well, 771 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: thank you again for all of y'all's work on the show, 772 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: but also for joining me for this conversation today. I 773 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: definitely appreciate you all. I'm so glad the team was 774 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: able to join me to continue our celebration and to 775 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: discuss the future of our work. Don't forget to text 776 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: two of your girls and tell them to check out 777 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 1: the episode right now so you can help us continue 778 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: to celebrate. If you're looking for a therapist in your area, 779 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: check out our therapist directory at Therapy for Black Girls 780 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: dot com slash directory. And if you want to continue 781 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 1: digging into this topic or just being community with other sisters, 782 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: come on over and join us in this sister circle. 783 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 1: It's our cozy corner of the internet designed just for 784 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: black women. You can join us at Community not Therapy 785 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,879 Speaker 1: for Black Girls dot com. This episode was produced by 786 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,839 Speaker 1: Freda Lucas and Alice Ellis and editing was done by 787 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: Dennis and Bradford. Thank you all so much for joining 788 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: me again this week. I look forward to continue in 789 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: this conversation with you all real soon. Take good care,