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Speaker 1: welcome to the Hanging with the Talking Cowboys Break. It's
Speaker 1: one show today, folks. I feel like we've got the
Speaker 1: best cast of characters for a one show today. We
Speaker 1: got a nice little assortment. And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I love this, you know. And I appreciate my man
Speaker 1: Robbie Phillips, being a great teammate letting me host this
Speaker 1: because I'm excited about the group of guys I'm working
Speaker 1: with today. I really am, because I think I got
Speaker 1: a bunch of problem solvers here, all right. I think
Speaker 1: I got guys with really good opinions about this football team.
Speaker 1: I think I got guys that aren't afraid to throw
Speaker 1: it out there and tell you what it really is.
Speaker 1: And as this team embarks on a hat and T
Speaker 1: shirt trip, as we'd like to say, right Nate, we'll
Speaker 1: go playing at this a hat and T shirt and
Speaker 1: this winness trying go to Indianapolis and win a football game.
Speaker 1: And I'm I mentioned the guys that are with me today,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips to my right, David Hellman, happy birthday to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. David Hellman. He always has a
Speaker 1: lot of great opinions. I appreciate it. And Nate Newton
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times the voice of reason when
Speaker 1: we all want to lose it. He's the one man saying, now,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I'm a Pro Bowl player. I've got
Speaker 1: some Super Bowl rings. You guys, just shut the hell up. No,
Speaker 1: shut up. We'll work that. Yeah, we'll work that way
Speaker 1: about it. But again, I'm very excited about this crew.
Speaker 1: Keke Garrison, as always award winner, is producing this show.
Speaker 1: Always excited to have him on the board. He's going
Speaker 1: to take your calls today. Always be kind to him
Speaker 1: because he has the control whether to put you on
Speaker 1: or not. Okay, everybody's doing well here today. We're gonna
Speaker 1: fix them. We're gonna fix a football team today. Talk
Speaker 1: about some things, all right, all right, and David, before
Speaker 1: we get started, Yeah, I need you to do something
Speaker 1: for me. What do you need? I need you to
Speaker 1: kind of go through the practice report yesterday of injuries
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be some key things happening here that
Speaker 1: we're gonna need to get into. Pertaining a Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: pertaining a Zach Martin pertaining a Connor Wims guys like that.
Speaker 1: How about this one, which I will readily admit I
Speaker 1: missed this yesterday. Okay, we're so fixated on the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is Friday morning and t Y Hilton has not
Speaker 1: practiced for the Colts yet. Yeah, just something to watch,
Speaker 1: there's something to watch. But why do I feel like
Speaker 1: that cat's going to show up? Because they always do,
Speaker 1: they always do, And how do you play him? Yeah
Speaker 1: he might be. He's listed with an ankle, but DNP
Speaker 1: on Wednesday and Thursday. That's true. Anyway, all right, back
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. Yeah, Zeke Elliott is back to practice.
Speaker 1: He took a rest day. He's fine. Yeah. Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: missed for a non injury related reason. We probably figure
Speaker 1: that's yeah, yeah, something he's having to deal with off
Speaker 1: the field maintenance. Marinelli said he'd be back today. Here
Speaker 1: we go. It's yeah, that's a thing. Uh. Sean Lee
Speaker 1: limited for the second day in a row, hamstring working
Speaker 1: his way back. Tyrant Smith limited, still dealing with his stinger.
Speaker 1: No Jeff Swain obviously, No David Irving obviously. Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: also limited. Okay, so we got that practice report, Nate,
Speaker 1: how we handling Sean Lee this week? Just uh, letting
Speaker 1: him miss this week? You think he's gonna miss He
Speaker 1: don't want to, Yeah, but for the good of him,
Speaker 1: let him miss this week. You know a lot of
Speaker 1: people say when he's ready, he's ready. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, it's been six Let him strain, give him
Speaker 1: a hard strain today. Yeah, and if he goes through
Speaker 1: that real well, then next week just let him. Let
Speaker 1: him fly around and practice, give him his reps and
Speaker 1: if you get through that, and then he'll be ready
Speaker 1: for the next week. David Helmet pitch count there. If
Speaker 1: we do get him back this week, I kind of
Speaker 1: think he is gonna play this week. That's that's what
Speaker 1: I lean toward. And I would ye'll know better than me.
Speaker 1: But I'm no, no, no, no, you're no no, You're
Speaker 1: a part of this. You're part of what I'm saying
Speaker 1: for is y'all y'all go over and talking and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Do you eat lunching there with
Speaker 1: those guys? You see it? I just that, you know,
Speaker 1: I just believe that another week. Every time he's went
Speaker 1: out over the last four years, it seemed like he's
Speaker 1: gets shorter, the period of being in to the game shorter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I would give him an ex restrain him, you know,
Speaker 1: over exert him. Yeah, let that leg get tired, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and then see how it reacts. You know.
Speaker 1: That's what That's just what I and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they haven't already done that over a period of two weeks. Right,
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. David Hellman, you're saying play him.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I think he will play, and if he does,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing him more than twenty five spitch counting him. Hunh.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Yeah, I think I could definitely see him playing.
Speaker 1: Although I'm kind of with Nate, and I said this
Speaker 1: on our show yesterday. If you get towards the end
Speaker 1: of the week and he hasn't responded just one percent perfect,
Speaker 1: if he feel like maybe you need another week, then
Speaker 1: do it. Because the odds are still in your favor
Speaker 1: that you're gonna win this division at some point. You
Speaker 1: don't have to rush him back, and they're and they're
Speaker 1: not rushing him back, so they're not You're right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you could you could give it another week, like
Speaker 1: Nate said, and maybe ramp up practice next week. But
Speaker 1: we'll see if he has a great day of practice
Speaker 1: and everything responds Saturday, then play him, play him. Yeah, Dave,
Speaker 1: Why am I taking Layton Vanderesh off the field? You don't?
Speaker 1: You don't. Oh that was to day. I'll feel strongly
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. I want to see you jump
Speaker 1: in and attack him when that happens. Yeah, Uh, you're
Speaker 1: taking Layton vander Esh off the field because this isn't
Speaker 1: quarterback again. Oh you're listening to Garrett and talk about
Speaker 1: things and walk off, don't. I don't need a congratulations.
Speaker 1: I don't need Jason Garrett to tell me common sense
Speaker 1: first of all. Okay, Nates are common sense on this show.
Speaker 1: What have we been saying. I don't know about y'all.
Speaker 1: Since April, I've been saying you need three to play too, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: And it has proven true to this point because Sean
Speaker 1: Lee got hurt, which is not the biggest surprise ever,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's a physical position. It's a position
Speaker 1: that plays a lot of snaps, and I just there's
Speaker 1: got to be a way that you can make room
Speaker 1: for all three of these guys. They've only all three
Speaker 1: been healthy once since vander Esh took the starting spot,
Speaker 1: and I believe, off the top of my head, I
Speaker 1: think the snap breakdown was Lee got thirty eight snaps
Speaker 1: and vander Esh got twenty one. I think it's way
Speaker 1: more likely you would see that flipped. Shawn Lee is
Speaker 1: still a hell of a football player when he's healthy,
Speaker 1: and he's instinctual, and he can still make those types
Speaker 1: of plays. So there's a spot for him on the field. Phillips,
Speaker 1: I'm with Dave. You don't have to overwork him, give
Speaker 1: him forty snaps, you could give him twenty. Work him in,
Speaker 1: manage him, get him to the playoffs, assuming you get there.
Speaker 1: I love the point you made the other day about
Speaker 1: that Darren Sprowles play the other night that Philly on
Speaker 1: fourth and two. There, my friend, instinctual. That's a good word, Dave.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee is that he made a hell of a
Speaker 1: play against Darren Sprowles in an Eagles game not that
Speaker 1: long ago. Yeah, one him the game. I think Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderesh is one of those things where you know, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee a fourth and two was looking as huh, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen Darren Sprowls much out here. Something's up here.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm gonna play a little wider here and
Speaker 1: hope that that all. Sean Jeffrey is not gonna crack
Speaker 1: me here. You know, that's a learning experience for Layton Vander.
Speaker 1: But I don't want my badass rookie off the field either.
Speaker 1: I mean I want him to play and continue to
Speaker 1: grow because he's he's not hurting you, he's helping you
Speaker 1: a lot. Nate Newton, I've got a question for you.
Speaker 1: You're just throwing fastballs at us. Let you say this
Speaker 1: right here? Uh, Jay Joe Buck said, Troy Wow, suck Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: TV Joe Buck Joe He said, Man, that Layton kid
Speaker 1: is awesome. Yeah. Man, what do you do with when?
Speaker 1: When when Sean Lee come back? Play Layton? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: Troy play Layton? Yeah, you knows. And I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: there's room for all of them, all right, but if
Speaker 1: he's sixty snaps, yeah, I have to see Layton for
Speaker 1: forty of them. I agree. I completely agree with what
Speaker 1: Nature said. And I'll tell you what you guys, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm seeing what's going on here, Robbie. You with
Speaker 1: these cats, No, totally because I think you guys throwing
Speaker 1: dirt on Sean Lee. He's trying to leave. You're trying
Speaker 1: to get him to the playoffs and hopefully through the
Speaker 1: playoffs in a run. And but and he's heard it twice.
Speaker 1: Don't overdo it with him. You don't have to anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like a frog leading the parade with thes yourself.
Speaker 1: This right here, dude, we really know? Did we really
Speaker 1: know the hamstring situation? Because the hamstring could be because
Speaker 1: he's an older guy. Now is because once he gets
Speaker 1: stiff Okay, we tell let's say he gets ten plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets on the sideline and he's sitting there for
Speaker 1: two series. Willis stiffness getting good? Point? So is it
Speaker 1: fatigue that's getting no better than us? But you know what,
Speaker 1: I got a free mind when late not there. Hey,
Speaker 1: let me ask all right, let me ask you this, guys,
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this one. Sean Lee, the ultimate
Speaker 1: teammate to Shaun Lee, take a back seat now and
Speaker 1: does he see what's going on here with this rookie
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, maybe I do need to
Speaker 1: take the dirt no whitsky off the bench, roll that
Speaker 1: kind of thing coming off, you know, six man role. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe they got a good thing, am I. I like that.
Speaker 1: Comparis is a great man. But he could he be
Speaker 1: the ultimate teammate here? That not rock the apple cart.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the terrible saying, by the way, that's
Speaker 1: kind of the beauty of it, Isn't it that like
Speaker 1: this isn't quarterback like Sean Lee could play the first series?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I'm asking I'm asking you, guys, start,
Speaker 1: I'm asking you would he would you think that Sean
Speaker 1: Lee would be the ultimate teammates and let vander esh
Speaker 1: and those guys play the majority of snaps and play
Speaker 1: him as they need him. Yes, I do think that.
Speaker 1: And there's Nikel. Yeah, that's why he's needed more. Oh,
Speaker 1: you can make you can make him big on certain
Speaker 1: goal line plays, yeah, I mean down play. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: spots where where he where he can be truly effective,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And so we don't. But the great
Speaker 1: thing about it is everybody over there when it comes
Speaker 1: to Shawn Lee knows what the situation is. He knows
Speaker 1: it more than anybody. So yeah, and nobody has been
Speaker 1: helping Layton more than Seawan Lee except for you know,
Speaker 1: Ben Bloom. The lineback. There's you know, Rob, You're right
Speaker 1: down the right track and join it. Late Layton told
Speaker 1: us last week he's my big brother. Feel like I've
Speaker 1: known him my whole life. That's not lip service. That's
Speaker 1: a guy that's willing to he knows this kid's gonna
Speaker 1: be here for a long time. Yeah, and he's still
Speaker 1: helping him as much as you can. I don't want
Speaker 1: to put words in Sean Lee's mouth. I haven't talked
Speaker 1: to him about this but chance today. But I'll get
Speaker 1: a chance today. That's true. We got business to it
Speaker 1: and too. But um, I've talked to Sean Lee about
Speaker 1: his injury problems enough times in his career, like he
Speaker 1: feels guilty about, you know, his availability or out there
Speaker 1: off like it's got pride. It's not lost on him.
Speaker 1: He says it every time we talk to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta stay healthy. I haven't stayed healthy. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: and so do you think this is why he will
Speaker 1: take the kind of the BP. Yes, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he'll do whatever he has to because he's such a
Speaker 1: great team player. And not only that, but you know,
Speaker 1: this is could be again. I don't want to speak
Speaker 1: too certainly. This very likely could be like his last
Speaker 1: shot at a playoff run with this team, or maybe
Speaker 1: in his entire career. Yeah, and so why I'll do
Speaker 1: whatever he has to do. And again, it's not quarterback
Speaker 1: where if you're not starting, you have no role to play.
Speaker 1: He will have his opportunity, whether because of injury or
Speaker 1: just finding opportunities. He will have a part to play
Speaker 1: if he's healthy. And so I don't think he will
Speaker 1: sweat it too much. You want to last word on this, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I just go back to saying it's not like when
Speaker 1: he was coming back from a Hampshire last year, where oh,
Speaker 1: Sean's back, we need him for fifty snaps. He does.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be in that situation. And he's
Speaker 1: told us that before. This is a dream for me,
Speaker 1: and I honestly believe him that we've got the talent
Speaker 1: around us at linebacker now where it's not all on
Speaker 1: me because I know I haven't stayed healthy and I
Speaker 1: know it's been a problem. Yeah, I think it's a
Speaker 1: good scenario for everybody, honestly. Yeah, So see how it
Speaker 1: turns out. Good. Last word. Heard another name on that
Speaker 1: injury report, Zack Martin. Yeah, Nate Newton give me some
Speaker 1: confidence that you know. I don't think that Zack Martin
Speaker 1: is going to practice today, but if he can play
Speaker 1: a play playing, okay, See, man needs a man needs
Speaker 1: a little rest, don't you think? No, sir, you have
Speaker 1: not clinched anything. You have not done anything. See trying
Speaker 1: to win the battle. It just makes me more, maybe
Speaker 1: makes me smile. When they were three and five and
Speaker 1: everybody had him on vine dying, Brian broad Us didn't
Speaker 1: raise my hand right now now now we have a
Speaker 1: chance to clinch something we have is to take something
Speaker 1: hat and T shirt and and we're so good that
Speaker 1: we can rest people. Now. I'm not asking to rest
Speaker 1: him date, I'm just asking me maybe think about the
Speaker 1: big picture here. This is the This is what Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett won't say publicly of what the big picture or
Speaker 1: what they have left? What do they have left? They
Speaker 1: have two more games after this. They they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: clinch a playoff spot. They don't need to win this
Speaker 1: game to clinch the playoffs. That's the just that's the
Speaker 1: dirty about there, right for place and clinch for themselves.
Speaker 1: There you go, But is it worth it to rush
Speaker 1: a guy who's not ready onto the field to win
Speaker 1: a game that you don't have to have. You know what,
Speaker 1: I did it? Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure players do
Speaker 1: it every single week. You want to leave no doubt.
Speaker 1: You don't want to get to three o'clock Sunday and say, well,
Speaker 1: I hope Washington and Phillip let's say Washington, Philly lows. Okay,
Speaker 1: still gonna hat and a short. Yeah you get it
Speaker 1: on Monday. Yeah you you okay, you're resting? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and then when do you play him? Now? Yeah, when
Speaker 1: when do you play? Okay, we're gonna play him the
Speaker 1: next week? What if he twisted the next week all
Speaker 1: of a sudden. Well, no, that the game that I
Speaker 1: will say as a player that okay, Yeah, when you
Speaker 1: get to the sixteenth game and it's over, you've clinched
Speaker 1: and everything, Okay, all of these guys start resting them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but see, this is what I understand is you're saying
Speaker 1: resting when they clinch. Yeah. Yeah, what I don't understand clinch?
Speaker 1: And then you got ten? Why why would they play
Speaker 1: last year when they had nothing truly to play for?
Speaker 1: He played all of these guys because he didn't want
Speaker 1: to be eight, because they could finish with a winning right,
Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't. Which one is bigger? Which one is bigger?
Speaker 1: Which one is bigger? There's no question this is bigger game.
Speaker 1: But there's just so many things that have to go wrong.
Speaker 1: And this, this is what Jason Garrett would rather die
Speaker 1: than say this publicly. But behind closed doors, they're like, wet,
Speaker 1: we only got to win one of these three or
Speaker 1: you know, these teams could lose one of these three
Speaker 1: and we're in let's not throw our all pro guard
Speaker 1: out there in a game that we don't absolutely have
Speaker 1: to have. And Nate he made he is deck s.
Speaker 1: Youre starting here? Is we talking about putting Rush in
Speaker 1: a white Which one we talking about putting in Cooper Coopers?
Speaker 1: One thing I do not understand. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: One thing I do not understand. Point guys has thirty
Speaker 1: five secs. We've given up almost fifty. So is is
Speaker 1: dak okay? Well? All right, into another Atlanta situation? All right?
Speaker 1: Let me let me let me ask Rob Phillips's question.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't play, what's your confidence in Connor Williams?
Speaker 1: I felt right guard. I feel better about what I
Speaker 1: feel good about what he did at the end of
Speaker 1: that game having not played it, and maybe a week
Speaker 1: at right guard will help him. But I mean, you're
Speaker 1: reaching a point where you've got a lot of moving
Speaker 1: parts on your offensive line, to Nate's point, and past
Speaker 1: protection has already been an issue. However, I am starting
Speaker 1: to wonder. I'm all with you on Zach. Zach's gonna
Speaker 1: try to play if he can play. But I wonder
Speaker 1: at this point if he does need a week, just
Speaker 1: because he's been playing with this thing for weeks now.
Speaker 1: He didn't come back the last time a Warrior player. Man,
Speaker 1: he wasn't able to return last game. He'd been able
Speaker 1: to do that the past. I wonder if he doesn't
Speaker 1: need a week. Never miss an NFL game, by the way,
Speaker 1: that's true, and I'm missed the middle school game, never
Speaker 1: missed a Pop one a game. Uh. If he is
Speaker 1: truly to the point where he cannot stand the pain,
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent with you. Yeah. But if he
Speaker 1: can stand the pain, oh, he's played through a lot
Speaker 1: of pain and that's I mean, yeah, a lot of pain.
Speaker 1: This is his hometown too, Yeah, it's it's his hometown.
Speaker 1: It's a chance to win the division. Like, if he
Speaker 1: can walk. He remember, make an eye run and he
Speaker 1: made a lot of playing with basically that same knee injury. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh and you know after we clinched, Coach Canter say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you look you look pretty pathetic at this Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: did you feel pretty pathetic? Yeah? I did? Did you?
Speaker 1: And he said, Man, I'm just gonna but you lined
Speaker 1: up block Gilbert Brown the next week. Yes, man, we're
Speaker 1: gonna give you a week off. We're gonna put Kevin Gogan.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't hurt you. Uh no, it didn't
Speaker 1: hurt me. You know, I went up in the in
Speaker 1: the in the booth with John Matt and the past
Speaker 1: summer all behind the guy spotter. But uh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you something. It's just it always makes me wonder
Speaker 1: that you are willing to sacrifice, you know, talking about
Speaker 1: what you think you've already gained and you haven't gained nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You your team is this far away. Oh you're at
Speaker 1: the at the you're on the goal line. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you got a bad yeah, bad red zone. You this
Speaker 1: far away from being a failure. Yeah, and all its
Speaker 1: is one bad game and you never recover and you'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, man, I know what happened here. You
Speaker 1: got Mark Sanchez going against the jag, Josh Johnson going
Speaker 1: against the Jags, and Nick Foles with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with they wanted to leave,
Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt. I think your own business. I'd
Speaker 1: rather play him this week, if he can play, I'd
Speaker 1: rather play him this week and try to win this
Speaker 1: game at all calls and rest him, force him to
Speaker 1: rest once once you clinch. And now if they lose
Speaker 1: this game and then these two other teams lose, they say, hey,
Speaker 1: you've clinched. You go get your your your weak shirt
Speaker 1: and weak hat on on Monday. Yeah you go, you
Speaker 1: know because yeah, because you was given the division. So
Speaker 1: you don't you don't think they've earned this division. They
Speaker 1: got a chance to do it. Come yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 1: have a chance to take it, as Warriors do. I'm
Speaker 1: ready to run through a wall and I'll tell you what, No,
Speaker 1: don't do the hell No, that's it. Hey, it's good, bad,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take it. We're gonna take our
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Speaker 1: as always doing the executive producing here, tells me we've
Speaker 1: got a call kit. Who do we got We'll get
Speaker 1: this call quick before we get into my question Zona,
Speaker 1: Well we got him. Sorry, Wartime in Arizona. All right,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. What do you got man? Hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going? Guy? Excellent? Thank you? Yeah. You guys
Speaker 1: were talking about people sitting, you know, for these next
Speaker 1: couple of games if we if we clinch, and I
Speaker 1: just personally feel like if we do clinch, everybody can play,
Speaker 1: but Zeke specifically needs to sit because the way that
Speaker 1: he plays, the way that he gets banged up. Ye,
Speaker 1: this team needs him to play. Of all people, Dak
Speaker 1: needs to play. Everybody else can play, but Zeke needs
Speaker 1: to sit. Okay, my guy. Yeah, that's that's the year
Speaker 1: every year argument I have in the preseason. That's my guy.
Speaker 1: Zeke is good. Yeah, Like, if this team's not playing
Speaker 1: for anything, he needs to be resting. I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: that means you might not win the rushing Crown or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I'm probably thinking about the same thing in LA
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, that guy, which I'm pretty sure they
Speaker 1: sat Gurley for the last game or two last year
Speaker 1: after they took care of their playoff spot. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. He's the engine of this whole offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a week off could do wonders for him heading into
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And you're still there. You got another question. No,
Speaker 1: I'm still here, but I appreciate it called. Okay, thank
Speaker 1: you very much, Thanks for calling. I appreciate you getting
Speaker 1: up early with this morning. Nate. You're okay with that,
Speaker 1: You're okay, You're okay. Do you want to how do
Speaker 1: you want to play Zeke though these last couple of games.
Speaker 1: If you clinch, if they clinch, no matter how they
Speaker 1: clinch it, I'm with that with Zeke. Yeah, with that,
Speaker 1: you know so Man Hill and they never had a
Speaker 1: problem with Dad. Yeah, how about you, Robbie Philp Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. He wants the rock, no question.
Speaker 1: But he needed that mini buy a week ago more
Speaker 1: than anybody. With the three day games, eleven days. He
Speaker 1: got banged up, didn't he And now he's on the
Speaker 1: injury report. He got a singer in the last game.
Speaker 1: I think that's an easy way to say. You know,
Speaker 1: if you do clinch, let's give him a little break
Speaker 1: because I maybe call up the guy, call up my guy,
Speaker 1: Darius Jackson from the practice squad for the last week
Speaker 1: or two. How do you do that? With all the
Speaker 1: guys coming back healthy. Yeah, they're gonna have some way
Speaker 1: way easier said than yeah, how you you know how
Speaker 1: you play that? How do you play that? That's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting before the break, I tease this, I want
Speaker 1: I want to know from my guys here. I want
Speaker 1: you to fix one thing about this football team going forward.
Speaker 1: Fix one thing. I mean, there's no let's be honest,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things you could fix here. Even
Speaker 1: though this team is eight five or you know, around
Speaker 1: the goal line here trying to get it in, you know,
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs. Fix one thing, I'm Rob Phillips.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah yeah, fix one thing for me, Rob Phillips.
Speaker 1: You mentioned around the goal line. Yeah, I'll go literally
Speaker 1: with that. They've got to punch in opportunities in the
Speaker 1: red zone. I've been genius, been banging that drum for
Speaker 1: a week or two now. And it's not just the
Speaker 1: red zone because they scored a touchdown to win the
Speaker 1: game from the fifteen yard line last week. It's goal
Speaker 1: to goal situations. They're most last in the league where
Speaker 1: all they've gotten eight is just a couple of yards
Speaker 1: to go. And there's been different reasons for a lot
Speaker 1: of it's just been pure execution. But they have no
Speaker 1: problem moving the football with Amari Cooper. But they've you know,
Speaker 1: get in the playoffs. Field goals aren't gonna work. They're
Speaker 1: just not gonna work. How that? How do we fix that?
Speaker 1: Nate said, execution? Is it that execution? Simply take it
Speaker 1: among itself. Oh yeah, it's a player. I gotta take
Speaker 1: it among him, each individual player. I gotta say not
Speaker 1: my guy. Yeah, when you get into the redds and
Speaker 1: you got to say not my guy, you know, and
Speaker 1: if you will receive it. I'm beating my guy. If
Speaker 1: you're running back, you know I'm getting this extra yard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's a it's an individual effort down there.
Speaker 1: Fix something for me, David Hillman, and I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: it unanimous because honestly, you're right. I mean, this isn't
Speaker 1: a perfect team. They're eight and five, but like isn't
Speaker 1: I mean, red zone has got to be the most
Speaker 1: obvious problem here. I mean, you'd like to see more
Speaker 1: takeaways from the defense. Um, you'd like to see better
Speaker 1: ball security from Dak Prescott. I was hoping someone that
Speaker 1: was my pig. I'll come back expand on that. No, No,
Speaker 1: I want you to I want you, I want both
Speaker 1: of you to talk about I mean, you talk, okay,
Speaker 1: go if you want to finish your point about the
Speaker 1: red I think Rob did a great job. Actually right,
Speaker 1: they're they're so bad in the red zone though, nineteen
Speaker 1: nineteen touchdowns and forty one trips down there, Uh, executions,
Speaker 1: part of it stopped getting flags down there. Yeah, runs,
Speaker 1: run run the freaking ball, about that, how about it?
Speaker 1: But but but there's times Dave and guys they've run
Speaker 1: the ball and it's been no gain, negative one I
Speaker 1: trust me. I watched the games. This guy crossed the
Speaker 1: table for me. And that's the first thing he says
Speaker 1: when he gets down there. Run the ball. Run and
Speaker 1: then it's and then it's a no game, Nate, no
Speaker 1: game ball four? What are they doing? You know just
Speaker 1: what I do it? Anyway? Do it? Do it anyway?
Speaker 1: Nate played with a guy where oh they know it's coming,
Speaker 1: who cares? Yeah, we got our guy. That's that's player
Speaker 1: on the field. Absolutely no. But I mean the turnovers
Speaker 1: are a problem, Like there's no way around. And and
Speaker 1: you know, DA's a young quarterback. He's gonna throw some interceptions.
Speaker 1: That's fine, Uh that that's to be expected. But and
Speaker 1: he said that after the game the other night too.
Speaker 1: He's like, the one that's gonna keep me awake is
Speaker 1: the fumble, because yeah, you just can't have that. But
Speaker 1: you can fix that exactly. That's probably the easiest one
Speaker 1: to fix that. That's what That's what's got me baffled
Speaker 1: is I'm watching last night, I'm watching Philip Rivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, throw them interception. But I'm watching, but me,
Speaker 1: I'm watching that gets killed for but no, but no,
Speaker 1: but I'm watching, but I'm watching his hands. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he and all the good quarterbacks they're gonna keep two
Speaker 1: hands on it. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean all the
Speaker 1: way up and and and this is kelling Moore. Man,
Speaker 1: do your job, if only you only have one thing,
Speaker 1: and that's to maintain your quarterback. And if you have
Speaker 1: to be like the little dog in the cartoon with
Speaker 1: Spiked the big dog and you're jumping on his back
Speaker 1: and then hey, keep the ball two hands, two hands,
Speaker 1: keep the two hands to hand. You have to do
Speaker 1: this when you go when he threw a ball in
Speaker 1: this and he coming up with one hand, two hands,
Speaker 1: two hands. That's your only job because as we get
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, don't let that be the reason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely And I said this on the break yesterday too.
Speaker 1: Is like, I mean, okay, Michael Bennett rips around the
Speaker 1: left side, and obviously you want to hold on the ball,
Speaker 1: but you strip sack him. Cam Jordan's strip sack him.
Speaker 1: But let's not pretend like it's always been that difficult.
Speaker 1: Like he's had some moments, you know, goes back to
Speaker 1: pass and loses track of the ball. The h I
Speaker 1: think it was the Detroit game he like dribbled it
Speaker 1: to himself, just dropped it while he was running, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like maybe maybe my guy needs to
Speaker 1: wear gloves. Ken Ken't brought that up. Maybe put a
Speaker 1: glove on your non throwing sweaty guy. Well, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: sweaty guy. I don't know. Nobody likes my sweaty guy theory. No,
Speaker 1: I love that, the sweaty guy theory because this is
Speaker 1: t M I for our listeners, like my hands sweat
Speaker 1: just yeah, sitting here so I can't even imagine playing
Speaker 1: football high pressure situation puts put the glare off my head.
Speaker 1: He's fumbled eight times and lost six I think, and
Speaker 1: some of it too is And he said this last week,
Speaker 1: I don't want to surrender. I don't want to give
Speaker 1: up sacks. Sometimes you just gotta give up the sack.
Speaker 1: What's the thing we always pray, I'm sorry, guiding rock
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm so. I mean, sometimes he's fighting so hard,
Speaker 1: and that's what people love about him. That's what I
Speaker 1: love about him is he never gives up on a play.
Speaker 1: But sometimes that's costing. Yet, Yeah, what do we always
Speaker 1: say about Tony Romo? He's not giving up on the play.
Speaker 1: Love the spirit never given up on the play. This
Speaker 1: guy does it and he gets killed for it. Don't
Speaker 1: lose the ball. Don't lose the ball, Nate, help me
Speaker 1: with this offensive line though, he gets down the red
Speaker 1: zone all of a sudden, Is it the quarterback taking
Speaker 1: all these sacks? Are we the same breaking down with
Speaker 1: his offensive line? Yeah, they're too quick. They escapes on
Speaker 1: him up the middle. Oh, you can take an outside escape, sure,
Speaker 1: but up the middle. Yeah, it's too tight. And I
Speaker 1: don't I can't see how this guy got paid. We're inside.
Speaker 1: How did they get on him so quick? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean she figured out her head. Lift your head up
Speaker 1: and look at your guy. I talked to Charge yesterday,
Speaker 1: Haley walking with office and now he say, Nate, they
Speaker 1: got to lift their heads up. Charles. Haley cussed me
Speaker 1: out one time. Not Charles, Yeah, because she didn't hit you.
Speaker 1: We were doing a pass block and we were playing.
Speaker 1: There was a situation to pass about third and long,
Speaker 1: third and long, you know, and we was going over that,
Speaker 1: and so I lined up at the left guard and
Speaker 1: he was and I was looking forward, you know. He stopped.
Speaker 1: He said, hey, man, I'm right here. Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: you looking at? He said this ain't high school football
Speaker 1: where everybody get there and look straight ahead. You look
Speaker 1: at me, brother, because I'm the one that's comfortably do
Speaker 1: you in And these guys got to look and watchfield
Speaker 1: and in certain situations know what a guy can do,
Speaker 1: like for the life of me, and I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to look. But for the life of me, how
Speaker 1: do JJ Watts keep beating beating people to the inside
Speaker 1: when you know it as coming? Yeah, you see it
Speaker 1: on film every week, Thank you, Rob Phillips. Is the
Speaker 1: red zone problems Travis Frederick not being there? Um, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit. I just throw a big blanket over that. No,
Speaker 1: because I mean we've talked about I think Looney overall
Speaker 1: has done a really nice job with the challenge he
Speaker 1: has of being point man re snap every time. It's
Speaker 1: not an easy job. Yeah, I think y'all hit on it.
Speaker 1: It's just been a combination of things. I mean, they've
Speaker 1: had Dave's right hand it to your best player, but
Speaker 1: at times they've the play has worked. There's been a drop,
Speaker 1: Dax felt some pressure, Noah Brown's wide open, the ball's
Speaker 1: sails a little outside of it. You know. Make a
Speaker 1: couple of those and it looks like Scott lind A
Speaker 1: hand's a genius the red zone. But brother, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you something, Scotland in a hand ain't got none
Speaker 1: would keep you do with keeping your hand and putting
Speaker 1: your hands on the first Dave helmet, point the finger
Speaker 1: at Scott lind A hand in what way? I just
Speaker 1: want to hear you do it. That's that's easy. Low
Speaker 1: hanging fruit. It is low hanging fruit. Is firing a
Speaker 1: guy here, which I tend to do quite a bit
Speaker 1: some I'm a low hanging guy here. I I hear
Speaker 1: Rob's point, and there's validity to it. If you know
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley doesn't drop a touchdown Atlanta Dak throws a
Speaker 1: better ball to Noah Brown, Yeah, maybe you feel a
Speaker 1: little bit better about some of these problems option stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of And to protection the question the
Speaker 1: question you asked, Rob, I mean, obviously the line has
Speaker 1: played well enough to get it done. Zeke is leading
Speaker 1: the lead in rushing and they're eight and five. But
Speaker 1: this team was built around its offensive line and it's
Speaker 1: not playing that way for a variety of reasons. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think it's it matters that the best center in
Speaker 1: football is not there. Yeah, I think who the guy
Speaker 1: who used to be the best left tackle in football
Speaker 1: hasn't been playing like it. Zack Martin has been. He's
Speaker 1: still a beast, which is amazing given that his knee
Speaker 1: is Yeah, he's banged up the whole time. Lyle Collins's
Speaker 1: production this year has been mystifying to me. I thought
Speaker 1: he was so great in the second half of last year.
Speaker 1: Leo Mack will tell you that. And it hasn't translated over.
Speaker 1: But going back to the question you asked me, I
Speaker 1: get it there. Their offensive line can't do what they
Speaker 1: want it to do right now, right, it's just bully
Speaker 1: people in my opinion. In my opinion, no, no, you no,
Speaker 1: But I think I think the I think they out
Speaker 1: I think they outthink themselves when they get down there.
Speaker 1: And Scott Lenahan said it himself the other he was like, well,
Speaker 1: we know, you know, teams know what we want to do.
Speaker 1: They know we want to run the ball. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: part of me is just like, do it anyway, at
Speaker 1: least try. And I know they have WHOA got a
Speaker 1: smile from the big man's face over here, at least try.
Speaker 1: I think they outthink themselves. I think, you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're trying to play chess when all they need to
Speaker 1: do is play checkers. Cute and know what are you are?
Speaker 1: Not just? But now you asked, the question is as
Speaker 1: simple as the sin of it not Yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: it is as simple as the sin of not being there.
Speaker 1: How So, because thank you, Rob, how so because we
Speaker 1: we we gotta right tackle. We know who he is,
Speaker 1: right right guard, We know who he is right gotta
Speaker 1: all pro sin, We know who is right. The only
Speaker 1: mix would have been Connor, and we still got our
Speaker 1: left tackle. Now you give me those four or five guys,
Speaker 1: and I ain't worried about it. I don't care how
Speaker 1: many of you put up there in the box. I'm
Speaker 1: still running Zeke, and I'm not worried about a quick escape.
Speaker 1: The quick escapes is coming over. Ain't running past Zach,
Speaker 1: They ain't running past Franklin, and they ain't running And
Speaker 1: and this this kid could get some help. So that
Speaker 1: bothers me. When the middle of your offensive line's soft,
Speaker 1: it hurts. Uh. That's why they put the other kid
Speaker 1: in there once Connor got hurt. Yeah, And why haven't
Speaker 1: they went back to Connor? Because you change when they're winning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's simple as that right there, and I'm with
Speaker 1: I'm with my man. It's third, it's it's first and
Speaker 1: goal on the four. Don't don't go up under the center.
Speaker 1: As a quarterback, I would go up under the center
Speaker 1: and turn around and hand the thing to him. Don't
Speaker 1: stand back there, give him a chance. You eight yards
Speaker 1: deep back there would stand it up. Man. You ain't
Speaker 1: given about the chain talk up on the mic. You
Speaker 1: ain't given about a chance. That's fair, that's fair. They
Speaker 1: have running on first down, they've I think they've but
Speaker 1: they'll gain a yard or they'll get a minus play
Speaker 1: and then they'll throw, you know, but I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with that. Which that right there, Like that's
Speaker 1: too predictable, like the first down run and then that
Speaker 1: doesn't work. They're like, oh, it's we're behind schedule, we're
Speaker 1: behind the chains. We didn't get four yards. We gotta
Speaker 1: pass now, Like mix it up, man, David him, and
Speaker 1: I'll give you the last word. Okay, go ahead, Well, act,
Speaker 1: I mean, what's what's your favorite phrase? I can't I
Speaker 1: lost track of the number of times I've I've heard
Speaker 1: Brian say this in regard to Travis Frederick's like he
Speaker 1: just cuts the defense in half. Yeah. I mean you
Speaker 1: got a guy that like he's gonna get to the
Speaker 1: second level. Yeah, he's gonna watch the linebacker out of
Speaker 1: the play every f and time. Watch Darius Leonard today
Speaker 1: against the Colts and then so many times they get
Speaker 1: up on him. That's gonna be a key for you
Speaker 1: today as well as Joe Looney has played, and he
Speaker 1: has played well. Yeah, I don't think you can underestimate
Speaker 1: how much it hurts not having the best center in
Speaker 1: football bigger impact for his team this game. Scott Linahan
Speaker 1: or Matt Eberflus. I tried to talk to Lenahan about
Speaker 1: this yesterday. Lenahan and Garrett both downplayed it, which I
Speaker 1: just I don't believe them. Basically, I think they're lying
Speaker 1: because you can't tell me that you don't get a
Speaker 1: little excited calling a game against the defense or against
Speaker 1: the scheme that you practice against every day. Like, shouldn't
Speaker 1: Scott Linahan know what hurts this defense better than anybody should?
Speaker 1: And he said not. He was like, I don't really
Speaker 1: think of it like that, And in my head I
Speaker 1: was like, lilyar, yeah pretty much. Yeah, which you could
Speaker 1: flip that around you can absolutely flip that around. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody should know how to hurt this Cowboys offense more
Speaker 1: than Matt Eberflus. Bigger impact Nate Lenahan or Eberflus for
Speaker 1: their team. Uh, Eberflus got his boys. But there, That's
Speaker 1: why i'd Sampy pressure thirty five sons, Cowboys? What do
Speaker 1: we do? Give up sacks? And I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: that people do you really you know? They call us said, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Zeke should be the only one thing about
Speaker 1: resting after this game here, boy, we don't do the
Speaker 1: right thing. We may be resting a whole lot of people.
Speaker 1: I'm doing true or false? Brian brought us Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys have more talent on offense than the
Speaker 1: Colts have on defense. I'm gonna say true. I agree
Speaker 1: with the addition of Amari Cooper. I'm gonna say true.
Speaker 1: I think what the problem is, I might be missing
Speaker 1: my right guard, which will you know, we'll handicap me
Speaker 1: there A little bit that is true. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: At least I'm putting a starter in there that you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, think about that. Now. Nate's talked about you know,
Speaker 1: Nate painted a picture for you about what happening in
Speaker 1: the red zone. He's saying, inside pressure, inside pressure. If
Speaker 1: Zach Martin doesn't play in this game, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Even though that Connor Williams was a starter early year,
Speaker 1: he's not. So you got a backup right guard, a
Speaker 1: backup center, and a backup left guard. I had at
Speaker 1: the pressure point of where Nate is telling you that
Speaker 1: they're having as much problems as any other spot of
Speaker 1: the field. I have a feeling, Cowboy fans are going
Speaker 1: to know the name Denico Autry by the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the end of Sunday. Yeah, he's a he's a
Speaker 1: good player. He's a problem. He will be a problem.
Speaker 1: You're right back, and guess what position he plays? Defensive tackle? Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: he got And tell y'all something. Getting a T shirt
Speaker 1: and a hat is well and good. But your quarterback
Speaker 1: laying up lane, Yeah it ain't good. Don't go there.
Speaker 1: And maybe we should rest him too. I got to
Speaker 1: find a way to win this game, right. The more
Speaker 1: you win early let's say they'd have won one or
Speaker 1: two games Tennessee. Now we all sitting around saying we
Speaker 1: pick Wait a minute, now, wait, I say what if
Speaker 1: we would have won? Well, how about the New Orleans game?
Speaker 1: You know, you know, yeah that's Jacksonville. Those were game
Speaker 1: you were kind of like, I don't know, No, I say,
Speaker 1: what if we would have won those fun games earlier?
Speaker 1: Like what if I had hair? Yeah? Yeah, you have,
Speaker 1: you have to have just not very much. Yeah, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: I'll give you the last word on this one. I'll
Speaker 1: go with Scott Linehan. Just because you guys mentioned Cooper,
Speaker 1: I think with Maury Cooper here, it's made him easier.
Speaker 1: It made it easier for him to just call plays
Speaker 1: and and move this offense and run the offense and
Speaker 1: come up with different ways. When you have great players,
Speaker 1: it makes it easier. But I totally hear what you
Speaker 1: guys are saying. What I agree with you, Sack, because
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about he could just called plays the
Speaker 1: receiving by committee. Just don't make you laugh, working that's
Speaker 1: what That's what I'm saying. We were all fools for
Speaker 1: believing it might. But you know what, that goes back
Speaker 1: to Travis Frederick. I think they thought it could work
Speaker 1: because they had running the football was zeek yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and your offensive line is gonna dominate and it took
Speaker 1: a half a season for him to get back to
Speaker 1: that at least in the running game. I must a game.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go when I've got more time, maybe when
Speaker 1: the season's over, I'm gonna go. Dredge up all of
Speaker 1: the quotes from Stephen jone years. There's only two or
Speaker 1: three number one receivers in the league anyway, Like we
Speaker 1: don't need that. As you know what, as you give
Speaker 1: the twenty fifth pick of the draft, it gets one
Speaker 1: of the best ones in the league. But you got
Speaker 1: to give him credit for saying, you know what, we
Speaker 1: made a mistakes. That's why in the world they didn't
Speaker 1: say it. They just showed us. Three and five will
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Speaker 1: about how do the Cowboys? What? What's their path for victory?
Speaker 1: What is you know? I don't think it's this is
Speaker 1: going to be an easy game. And I do a
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Speaker 1: we'll get that done. And but I want to under
Speaker 1: I want to hear what your path to victory is,
Speaker 1: Nate Newton. My path the biggest ball security if if
Speaker 1: if you take care to ball security, okay, and you'll
Speaker 1: win this game. Yeah, you know that that's solid, would say,
Speaker 1: because our defense ain't don't care who they play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So as long as I got that defense and it's
Speaker 1: traveling on the road and they don't care, I don't care.
Speaker 1: But I do care that our offense is not smart
Speaker 1: right and they have no ball security right. So if
Speaker 1: they can fix those two things, I think we'll be
Speaker 1: all right. Rob Phillips, the thing that I loved the
Speaker 1: most about the Eagles game last week wasn't Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: wasn't Dak, wasn't Zeke. It was zach Ertz. Five catches
Speaker 1: for thirty. There you go. And when you look at
Speaker 1: this matchup, it's to me, it's again another tight, tight,
Speaker 1: end that's having a lot of success. Can they stop him?
Speaker 1: And they've got a lot of different guys that are
Speaker 1: capable of doing that. I think to me, defensively, that's
Speaker 1: the key. Keep him out of the red zone situations,
Speaker 1: because we talked about defensively there, like his zone hasn't
Speaker 1: been great here in Dallas. Yeah, that's the key for me.
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, it's fitting that we talked about it so
Speaker 1: much in the last segment because I really think whether
Speaker 1: or not they went, I'll come down to how well
Speaker 1: that interior trio plays. Yeah, I don't expect Zach Martin
Speaker 1: to play. I think it'll be Xaviers to a Philo,
Speaker 1: Joe Looney and Connor Williams. Denico Autry has eight sacks.
Speaker 1: Jabal sheared, No, he's not a tackle, but he's in
Speaker 1: this This defensive line has had some success and Matti
Speaker 1: Reflus has also gotten aggressive in recent weeks. They've been
Speaker 1: blitzing a lot, blitz a lot, and they used a secondary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of slot and it's a lot of
Speaker 1: safety stuff, which is different from what you see from
Speaker 1: a Rod Marinelli scheme. It's a lot more aggressive for
Speaker 1: all the for all the love that Darius Leonard gets
Speaker 1: as a tackler. He's got seven sacks. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: twice as many sacks as Jalen. I mean, Jalen's got four,
Speaker 1: but um send him a lot. They do. Yeah, they absolutely,
Speaker 1: And so it's up to them not just you know,
Speaker 1: opening things up for Zeke. Zeke will be fine if
Speaker 1: he's got room to run. They got to take care
Speaker 1: of that and then also got to keep Dak off
Speaker 1: his backside. Um, and I think this is a dangerous
Speaker 1: situation with him where what three of your preferred starting
Speaker 1: five or probably not going to play in this game?
Speaker 1: All in the interior the interior, Nate pointed out, that's uh,
Speaker 1: and so that that's that's the key for me, because
Speaker 1: the Colts aren't running the ball on this defense. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's famous last words, but I'm not afraid of Marlon Mack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, Andrew luck will have his plays. T Y
Speaker 1: Hilton will have his plays. Eric Ebron's a guy you
Speaker 1: gotta watch. But they can limit that. I really, this
Speaker 1: team's allowing eighteen points per game. I can't imagine, and
Speaker 1: the Colts are going to score more than twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, happen to this to our defense? Is
Speaker 1: they become balanced. You don't want yeah, this kid being balanced.
Speaker 1: You want him throw fifty, which is what And they
Speaker 1: do that a lot, believe it or not. If you
Speaker 1: want they get some of their games. They he's got
Speaker 1: some high throw totals. I don't think temp totals. I'm service.
Speaker 1: I said this on the break this way, the Cults
Speaker 1: are a team that's ahead of schedule. Like they do
Speaker 1: not have the talent to be where they are, but
Speaker 1: good coaching and good quarterback play have them a year
Speaker 1: ahead of schedule. Well, I'll tell you what. You led
Speaker 1: right into what I was thinking, David about this game,
Speaker 1: because I think it's going to come down to the
Speaker 1: Dallas defense again. And I think it's gonna come down
Speaker 1: to when you watch the Colts play, it's unlike any
Speaker 1: offense that the Cowboys have faced this year. They're very patient.
Speaker 1: I mean it is. I mean they will take exactly
Speaker 1: what you give them. You play zone, they'll throw it
Speaker 1: for seven. You play zone again, they'll throw it for seven.
Speaker 1: You play they'll throw it for seven. They're very much
Speaker 1: and then they'll take this shoot shot to t Y
Speaker 1: Hilton to try and make a big play, and they're
Speaker 1: very frustrating because if you're not get it, it's like
Speaker 1: you'll you know, who's ever doing the game completion to Ibron,
Speaker 1: you know, completion to Grant, completion to you know Chester.
Speaker 1: I mean, they'll keep It's just one of those things
Speaker 1: it does. That's the way they move the football, and
Speaker 1: so you almost have to be you have to not
Speaker 1: get frustrated play in their offense because that's the way
Speaker 1: they they move the football. Yeah, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they haven't stopped him, you know, but
Speaker 1: that's just that's what they're gonna do. And you have
Speaker 1: to be you have to be aggressive with their receivers.
Speaker 1: You have to be aggressive denying the football if you can't.
Speaker 1: Isn't that Isn't that Rod Marinelli's specialty though, Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's Sally is a patient guy. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You can get and we'll let you go all the
Speaker 1: way from get ready for that, you get ready for that.
Speaker 1: That the way the Colts play. They're very much that
Speaker 1: they'll nickel and dimei to death. That's and and and
Speaker 1: you're this offensive line to they have now they've fixed it.
Speaker 1: They fixed their offensive line. When you've added Smith and
Speaker 1: you've added Nelson to this group. The two rookies have
Speaker 1: played really well for them, but you you're gonna be
Speaker 1: fresh at can you get pressure on them? Can you
Speaker 1: get guys home? The Philadelphia Eagles I think played them
Speaker 1: really well early in the year. They were able to
Speaker 1: get enough pressure on Luck and then they were able
Speaker 1: to do something on the back end coverage wise, to
Speaker 1: kind of affect. They just didn't let the Colts Nickel
Speaker 1: and Diamond to death, you know, to keep drives going.
Speaker 1: So I mean, keep an eye on that. I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be Cowboys can't get frustrated defensively because it's
Speaker 1: gonna be God, you gotta get a stop. You gotta
Speaker 1: get a stop. Well, maybe you get him down the
Speaker 1: red zone and then all of a sudden, now you're
Speaker 1: worried about Eric Ebron with twelve touchdowns and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: By a way to cover him. I think this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a game with like six or seven combined
Speaker 1: field goals, just teams driving to the twenty and then
Speaker 1: bogging down and then whoever has more breakthroughs. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: what happened to death that's what happened to Jacksonville. Hey,
Speaker 1: does that bother here? Is that not what you want
Speaker 1: to see. That's what you want to see in hopefa
Speaker 1: but don't see see that's that's how the that's how
Speaker 1: Jacksonville beat him. Jacksonville had a goal line stand on
Speaker 1: the one they tried to shovel pass and they stuffed that,
Speaker 1: and then they had turnovers on the other side of
Speaker 1: the fifty. luxA hell of a quarterback t Y Hilton's
Speaker 1: dangerous ibron is playing that coming home. Yeah, I which
Speaker 1: I feel like every time I say this it bites
Speaker 1: me in the ass. Like I remember last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last year, I was just like Keenan Allen's not that great.
Speaker 1: I'm not impressed. And then he did that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: maybe this is famous last words, but like they've they
Speaker 1: have stopped way better offenses than this, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: way more talented. This offensive line reminds me of the Saints.
Speaker 1: You know, come into a game, haven't given up a
Speaker 1: bunch of SATs, I mean points, the Saint score exactly though.
Speaker 1: That's the Saint. You're gonna have to play that way.
Speaker 1: You didn't like that. That was a little reckless for you,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. They held the Saints to ten points, singing
Speaker 1: did Andrew Luck does have thirty four touchdown passes? Only
Speaker 1: my man Mahomes has mahomies. He does Breeze have He's
Speaker 1: got I think he's second. Well maybe Breeze has more whatever,
Speaker 1: but he's up there. He's up there with thirty four Luck.
Speaker 1: So you know they can score points. I know, I
Speaker 1: know they can. I think they're averaging twenty six per game.
Speaker 1: So I think this defense here is for real too.
Speaker 1: But I do think it is gonna Brian's right, But
Speaker 1: that does feed into Rod. The Cowboys goal is okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll give you the yards. Don't let you're gonna make
Speaker 1: a mistake. But they doesn't want to get worn out.
Speaker 1: He saw these people planning on arrested. Yeah, you better
Speaker 1: be cowful man. All right, Well talk to me. What
Speaker 1: are you saying? See we you you gotta always look
Speaker 1: at your opponent. Yeah, and uh, ain't they hype for
Speaker 1: a possible playoff position? Oh? The Colts aren't they gonna
Speaker 1: desper they they they they went to Houston the hype
Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs. I yeah, they're also wanted
Speaker 1: five to start the year though too. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: hyped if the Cowboys win this game. I used to
Speaker 1: mickeyism there. Yeah, yeah, that was kind of mickeyism. That's
Speaker 1: I did it. I did it. Are they one in five? Oh?
Speaker 1: They must be terrible. I did it. I did it too.
Speaker 1: It's fine. No, if the Cowboys find a way to
Speaker 1: win this game, I guarantee you it won't be comfortable.
Speaker 1: I guaranteed this game. Are you ready for just one
Speaker 1: of those heart? I mean ever hearts stopped every games,
Speaker 1: every game date, and I love every game during this
Speaker 1: win streak has been stressful, and I think I did
Speaker 1: the like ten of the thirteen this year have have
Speaker 1: come down, have been within a score. Yeah. I've always
Speaker 1: said this right here because I believe it. Here. The
Speaker 1: Colts ownership and general manager finally got smart. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got one of the best quarterbacks. You almost wrecked yea,
Speaker 1: And they finally got smart. They got a hit coach
Speaker 1: that understands quarterback. Yeah, exactly, Frank Craik, we wouldn't need
Speaker 1: Sean A Lee because I'm telling you, if we stopped
Speaker 1: to run, they're gonna throw this thing sixty times. Oh
Speaker 1: that there's no question, and that he's not won a
Speaker 1: game once. He threw over fifty times. But man Andrew
Speaker 1: luck especial. Yeah, I'm glad these guys aren't in the
Speaker 1: Cowboys Conference. They're they're good enough to be seven and
Speaker 1: six right now. Like I said, they're ahead of schedule.
Speaker 1: They got one hundred million dollars in cap space coming up,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be They got draft picks. You're trying
Speaker 1: to make us a Colts fan all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that all the cults are gonna be
Speaker 1: really good in the near future, assuming they don't bring
Speaker 1: a good point, very good point. Now, Garri signed. We
Speaker 1: got a call. Who got He got Mark in Michigan.
Speaker 1: Hey Mark, Mark, Mark, go ahead, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking my call, No problem, I said, up.
Speaker 1: Just I'm glad you guys looked around back to linebackers,
Speaker 1: because that's my question. I know there's a lot of scenarios.
Speaker 1: I know they're on rotation, and I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: see sew On leave this weekend. I hope. Um, but
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about Damien Wilson. Worse is great? Orse is grade?
Speaker 1: So far as the season, how's he doing. And you
Speaker 1: know the other thing about who's Will, Who's Mike, Who's
Speaker 1: who's Sam? And then who's matching up Ebron. I'd like
Speaker 1: to know you guys opinions, and I appreciate you taking
Speaker 1: my call. Thank you all right? Thanks? About five people
Speaker 1: gonna match it up, match up with Ebron. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: let me say this right here, and I hope they
Speaker 1: don't do this. Do not put Sean Lee the wolf
Speaker 1: Harmer out of predator at at the Sam position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys are runners, an athlete, dame and Wilson is
Speaker 1: playing nice. I'm glad, pro Bowl, Pro Bowl player. Oh,
Speaker 1: he gets it. And former scout, Super Bowl winning scout
Speaker 1: explain it to me like I'm five, Why one of
Speaker 1: these guys can't play Sam? Why would you take this?
Speaker 1: Why did you We always talk about instinctual they are
Speaker 1: Damien Wilson makes his bread and butter by setting the edge,
Speaker 1: getting up there, battling with tackles. But you asked what
Speaker 1: you do is a battle with a tackle? Hey, they
Speaker 1: will run over one of these guys. And now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you take away the athletic ability. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they love to come down helling, slice and dicey, Now
Speaker 1: you're gonna, hey man, go ahead and deal with a
Speaker 1: tackle at six five, three hundred pounds, which all right,
Speaker 1: you you stop me if I'm wrong, because you you
Speaker 1: can run circles around me when it comes to football.
Speaker 1: But that's I feel like it gets the context gets lost.
Speaker 1: But you will weak side linebacker. It is the empty
Speaker 1: side of the line, the line you're you are uncovered, right.
Speaker 1: The more athletic you are, the better that is. But
Speaker 1: you're uncovered strong side. You are not only a tackle,
Speaker 1: but probably a tight end because sometimes two, sometimes both
Speaker 1: of these strong side of the line. So you are
Speaker 1: going to contact is the name of the game. Extension, extension,
Speaker 1: point of attack, setting the edge, making sure abouty getting around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's they move Sean over to Will to
Speaker 1: keep him uncovered, get him protected a little bit so
Speaker 1: he didn't have to take all blocks. But he's uncovered. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just and and I'm not trying to talk
Speaker 1: down on anybody, but people they're just like, well, there's
Speaker 1: there's three linebacker jobs. There's three linebackers, Like this is easy.
Speaker 1: If of the three which could play at the most
Speaker 1: sam not none of them, None of them it's a
Speaker 1: bad question, Nate. Y'all love how y'all love how this
Speaker 1: guy runs? Yeah, I think he has the freedom to run. Yeah. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's a big, strong, strapping guy man that hunts wolves.
Speaker 1: Let him continue to hunt. Don't tie him up, don't don't,
Speaker 1: don't tie him up. Okay, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: What makes Damiens so well suited for it? Is it
Speaker 1: his strength, his reach, or just the fact that he's
Speaker 1: not not athletic enough to do the other stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's athletic. But those yeah, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say they they were all the kid Davis. Yea risk,
Speaker 1: they would have all been in bad shape. But the
Speaker 1: closeness you would have saw the club. I think the
Speaker 1: other two guys would have been closer as David has
Speaker 1: he running away from him. Delicy would have had a
Speaker 1: greater distance to get away from him. But that thing
Speaker 1: was over when Damian turned. When David looked up an
Speaker 1: uh okay, game over end game. He's an athlete, but
Speaker 1: an athlete is short spaces. These guys were talking about
Speaker 1: athletes over fifteen twenty yards. Yeah, okay, you got you
Speaker 1: gotta say go ahead. Yeah, I know you had an
Speaker 1: opinion on this. Maybe Jalen just because he could. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's a guy that rushes. It's like an extra
Speaker 1: down line. Yeah, go pop Wilber used to be that.
Speaker 1: Yeah guy, got some pop to that guy. But I
Speaker 1: feel your da is a Jalens, not giving him any
Speaker 1: size or strength. That Jayleen is a uh three steps
Speaker 1: shelf downhill, downhill three he's down you late games? Can
Speaker 1: shelf turn get back? Yeah? Are you just line up?
Speaker 1: Run with you that right there? It's hard to teach you, brother.
Speaker 1: You saw grunk, right, we consider grun a great athlete.
Speaker 1: To stop to tackle somebody in open field. It's a
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, but win, lose, win, a very stressful win.
Speaker 1: I've never known the Cowboys and lose. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: picking hell here, guys. All right, so I think no,
Speaker 1: I think I have a bad feeling that you might
Speaker 1: be right, but I'm gonna give the Cowboys a benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt. Yeah, yeah that point. Hey, he's got
Speaker 1: a bum knee, Nate, the man has a bum knee.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I just I have I have a feeling
Speaker 1: about this one, all right about it? Gut feeling. Later
Speaker 1: on today I want to thank everybody. I want feeling,
Speaker 1: gut feeling. I want to thank my guys, Nate Newton,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Happy birthday again, David, you and Rob Phillips. Ups.
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