Speaker 1: Yet get up, gett boys, it's back and reoaded all
Speaker 1: in your mind. Yeah, and a deep throating. This is
Speaker 1: for the streets, the reel, the railroaded, the disenfranchise, the truth,
Speaker 1: the scapegoating. And they ain't know when we speak the truth,
Speaker 1: so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North
Speaker 1: South East coach is g be my treat keeping your
Speaker 1: head bobbing. It ain't no stopping and wants to be
Speaker 1: trying by. And then the system is so corrupt they
Speaker 1: threw the rock out their heads and then blame it
Speaker 1: on us. Don't get twisted on code and me and
Speaker 1: danced for no furtament, biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar
Speaker 1: facing the building. Collectively. We are to get old boys.
Speaker 1: You tune in to get old boys reloaded in the
Speaker 1: building with us right now, then, conquerable doctor boys Watkins,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Brother, hey man? Well the the doc
Speaker 1: in the house man? First of all, Man, I cannot
Speaker 1: go any further without first saluting you, congratulating you for
Speaker 1: your marriage to Alicia Watkins. Yea, Alicia Watkins. Both of
Speaker 1: y'all got PhD s. Man. That don't happen a lot, right, No?
Speaker 1: I think one percent of the population got a PhD.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming on the on
Speaker 1: the cast. I'm glad to be here. Man. Man, that's honor.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, come on, you know, I grew
Speaker 1: up with y'all. Man, you know, like you know, it's
Speaker 1: like you'll understand, you know when I talk to y'all
Speaker 1: or Ice Cube or anybody, and you never stopped being
Speaker 1: a fan, you know what I mean. And so it's
Speaker 1: like I remember every year when your stuff would come out,
Speaker 1: like I would go buy it like it was an appointment,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so to that, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't never put you on Get Boys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's what's the first song? What was the first one
Speaker 1: that captured your attention? Um? The songs that come to
Speaker 1: mind first is like die motherfucker, Man, I would put
Speaker 1: you on. I got a bad read on you, doc,
Speaker 1: I put you, I put you and miss the Officer,
Speaker 1: I put you on. No cell out And then you like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a black man. Sometime you gotta go dark man,
Speaker 1: you know, man, this man is a genius man, a
Speaker 1: borderline UH scientists with with you know, African American studies. Man.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like this man is this
Speaker 1: man is a is brilliant. Yeah man, But you know
Speaker 1: it's like war is everywhere for the black man. You
Speaker 1: know it is a war yeah man, So like that
Speaker 1: music reflected the warrior spirit that I had, Like like yea,
Speaker 1: you probably know with guests like who I was actually
Speaker 1: my my favorite of all time. Try to guess who
Speaker 1: thinks my face favorite artists of all time? Spice One
Speaker 1: span to Chico yesterday. Yeah, tell tell him that is
Speaker 1: my cousin, real cousin. Spice One is one of the
Speaker 1: most powerful poets of all time, and when he would
Speaker 1: make songs about his struggle, like I felt that man.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a slightly different life, but ship.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was a black man first and then
Speaker 1: I did the other things, you know, So the energy
Speaker 1: and his music, like I grew up with him where
Speaker 1: literally every album he came out, when he would say
Speaker 1: his age on the album, and I was always the
Speaker 1: same age. So Spice One man, I connected to the connect.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean back when I met my wife,
Speaker 1: you know, I met me and Alicia with friends for
Speaker 1: a long time and then you know, after her she
Speaker 1: was right, I was twenty two bro, hey, I was ready.
Speaker 1: You know what. She was a sophomore in college and
Speaker 1: I was my your grad school. Man, I saw her
Speaker 1: across like you know what they say, I saw you
Speaker 1: across the crowded room. I literally saw across the crowded room. Man.
Speaker 1: And that night in my journal, I wrote, today I
Speaker 1: met the most beautiful woman in the world. How long
Speaker 1: is this? Uh? This was I saw. I saw the
Speaker 1: video of him and Alicia in his dorm room and
Speaker 1: Alicia came in. Man, It's something to see y'all at
Speaker 1: such a young age, and how you guys were communicating
Speaker 1: with each other and you guys were friends first. That's
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful story, man. That's what they call what
Speaker 1: they call it an American love story. Yeah, yeah, American
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then you also have um those stories
Speaker 1: that ends up like Marvin Gaye story. Yeah you know
Speaker 1: what he had to give an album anna talk about. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: you know that happens, man, Man, that ship happens, bro,
Speaker 1: it does, and you know, and that was the thing
Speaker 1: like I used to get not not to try to
Speaker 1: put that curse on you, bro, I know that ain't
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You wet when you waste your way smarter
Speaker 1: than that, man, You know what, love out smarts everybody,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think you can now smart love and
Speaker 1: God and mother nature. Man. I feel like like I
Speaker 1: literally I used to get a lot of ship because
Speaker 1: I didn't get married like in my thirties. And the
Speaker 1: thing was, um, I just always joke and say, you know,
Speaker 1: I just get my first divorce because almost all my
Speaker 1: friends that got married the twenties and thirties it didn't
Speaker 1: work out because that ship is you're not ready when
Speaker 1: you're twenty in your thirty years old? I could, I could,
Speaker 1: I can? I can, I can? I could vouch for
Speaker 1: that as you can't. You're not ready, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like like I didn't get my best piece
Speaker 1: of asshaul. I was thirty six, thirty seven years old.
Speaker 1: So for me to say that I was in love
Speaker 1: at twenty two or or or you know, twenty six
Speaker 1: years old, are you saying the quality of the assay? Man?
Speaker 1: It's way different when when you when you farty thirty six,
Speaker 1: when you're one. It's a difference. How is the explained
Speaker 1: that to me? Because man, I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: into I need I need to understand with a doctor. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be boggar, but you gotta worry
Speaker 1: about me. But but I want, I want to understand
Speaker 1: how is good sex? Uh? How does good sex prepare
Speaker 1: you for us? Commitment? Well, here's the thing, Willie, and
Speaker 1: this is important for you to know, like itter commitment.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. If that good, I ain't going home. I'm
Speaker 1: not coming back. It's gotta be. It's gotta be. You know.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna keep me in the house. Man. If
Speaker 1: the conversation ain't stimulating, it's not gonna keep me in
Speaker 1: the house. If the food ain't good, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: keep me in the house. Love don't love. Don't love nobody, bro,
Speaker 1: I don't even fun what nobody say. Here's I'm not
Speaker 1: the one on I'm not I'm not the one being interviewed. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm off of it. No, I don't think that's why
Speaker 1: we don't get along. But he no, No, here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think I think that you know,
Speaker 1: whether somebody cheated or not had may have something to
Speaker 1: do with their spouse, but it ultimately has more to
Speaker 1: do with you and what type of pera with that.
Speaker 1: But I shouldn't have been married in the first place.
Speaker 1: At twenty you shouldn't have been married in the first place.
Speaker 1: Two years old, yeah, you should not have not experience
Speaker 1: of life yet. Let me experience some ship and then
Speaker 1: lock myself down. Now it works better now at fifty,
Speaker 1: then it then it then it do it at at well, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because because I think you could do it in thirty
Speaker 1: or thirty five, but I think you need guidance. I
Speaker 1: think it's yeah, yeah, like like people. I used to
Speaker 1: think relationships or something where you just figure it out
Speaker 1: as you go along and you hope for the best.
Speaker 1: But when I find is it's real hard to get
Speaker 1: along with another person. Damn man, you know, like so
Speaker 1: so seriously man, like you know with my wife. Now,
Speaker 1: this is wisdom I had later that I didn't have
Speaker 1: when I was younger. We got a marriage counselor before
Speaker 1: we ever had any problems. We did it for preventative reasons,
Speaker 1: just to learn how to communicate with each other, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Just to learn how to not
Speaker 1: you know, not let arguments get out of control. And
Speaker 1: what I learned is that it's not about whether you're
Speaker 1: gonna have conflicts like you're gonna have disagreements. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have disputes. The question is how do you resolve that.
Speaker 1: You know, if you can resolve it, then then you
Speaker 1: But a lot of people came, they escalate it. It's
Speaker 1: like you know, you you pull out a knife, I
Speaker 1: pull out a gun. Next thing, you know, everything's falling apart.
Speaker 1: And you and that that conflict resolution. Knowing how to
Speaker 1: do that and then knowing how to deal with pick
Speaker 1: people that that also want to do that. That makes
Speaker 1: a big difference. Like me and you're friends, because if
Speaker 1: we had a disagreement or a difference, you would call
Speaker 1: me and you say, hey, man, I didn't I felt
Speaker 1: some kind of way when this happened, And then I
Speaker 1: would listen. You know, it wouldn't be like, man, well
Speaker 1: if you man get to get up right and you
Speaker 1: see what I mean, that's that's important. And will he'll
Speaker 1: he'll make that story up and tell you that he's
Speaker 1: a masterful conflict resolute tour and that is a fucking lot.
Speaker 1: But go ahead. You know, this guy can be very
Speaker 1: disrespectful at times. Man, I'm surprised he lived this long.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, man, but but anyway, you know, but
Speaker 1: what is what is a relationship rooted in first and
Speaker 1: farmost respect? Right? And I think that that's how that's
Speaker 1: the reason why, Like, think about the friends that you have,
Speaker 1: all of the long term friends that you have, Hey
Speaker 1: relationships as your partner relationship, of your girlfriend relationship, any relationships,
Speaker 1: any relationship you have. I'm talking about good relationships. So
Speaker 1: do you do you have any long term relationships that's
Speaker 1: route that's not rooted in respect? I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I don't think. I mean somebody don't respect you.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, let me put like this. So you
Speaker 1: got a chick that you don't really like, Willie, I'm
Speaker 1: not with her. I mean you don't have to be
Speaker 1: with her. You still smash every now and then? Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, No, no, not that mean when I was younger, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I was and then I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: want you on that. That's probably one of the few
Speaker 1: things we agree. You know, we'll go ahead. We all
Speaker 1: still agree that you're an asshole. I mean we agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, this guy, this guy is at times impossible.
Speaker 1: Man is bullshit? This guy? Man? You know? Anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: how is the ride you know from Houston. It was
Speaker 1: it was rainy, and I had to drop the kids
Speaker 1: off at the airport. Uh you know, they we got
Speaker 1: the eighteen in the fourteen year old and a ten
Speaker 1: year old. So the eighteen Fortunyo wanted to fly home.
Speaker 1: So I had to drive all the way up to
Speaker 1: the Bush Airport because I sunked up the reservation and
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought I booke him at Hobby. I
Speaker 1: booked him at Bush. So but you know, but I
Speaker 1: was looking forward to coming down here and uh hang
Speaker 1: out with appreciate it, man, yeah, man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Bro all my man. Actually, actually, you don't be telling
Speaker 1: my score story. I got my star face story. You
Speaker 1: want to hear it. Let me tell me. Let's tell think.
Speaker 1: I think you'll like it. I think no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, states you you'll appreciate I think you'll appreciate this. Okay.
Speaker 1: So it was, and I moved to New York. First
Speaker 1: week I moved to New York, it was to go
Speaker 1: to grad school. Somebody stole my car. Ship Yeah, they
Speaker 1: stole my car the first week right now, I thought
Speaker 1: it was gone, but so I called the police. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: somebody stole my car. They're like, well, what does it
Speaker 1: look like? And I'm you know, I'm telling them all
Speaker 1: this if I'm thinking that that's just a report. I
Speaker 1: didn't think they the thing was in that area. They
Speaker 1: had a lot of like kids that was steal your
Speaker 1: car and driving around for a while and then leaving somewhere.
Speaker 1: So they found car. So I get my chip back, right,
Speaker 1: so I get my car. They all did the whatever
Speaker 1: with the screw driver. You don't talk about hot wired
Speaker 1: and all that, you know, toward the toward. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I drove my car like that forever because I didn't
Speaker 1: have no money. I don't have the money to fix it.
Speaker 1: And the only thing they left in the car was
Speaker 1: your tape, the scar face tape, the one I wasn't
Speaker 1: called my homies. Yeah, and so I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta be optimistic. So Lacy's dudes left me some music.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I played that tape and I listened
Speaker 1: to that awesome along to the point where I have
Speaker 1: the lyrics, memorize all of that, and I always told
Speaker 1: that story, and I would say that was the best
Speaker 1: thing that came out of that was I got some
Speaker 1: good music out of it. Well, you can look at
Speaker 1: that two ways. Uh yeah, like I just didn't want
Speaker 1: to hear my music. They left it in there as
Speaker 1: a consolation to you, like can you turn the gate
Speaker 1: up harder on We're gonna leave you some jamin as music. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for seting your car, bro. But it was
Speaker 1: in it was in the it was in the tape deck.
Speaker 1: So they was listening to it. And as they stole
Speaker 1: my car, they forgot so that they might have forgotten.
Speaker 1: They might have forgotten, might have turned that ship down
Speaker 1: though they might help. But I think I think that
Speaker 1: that was a good a good album. And uh and
Speaker 1: that was that was a real introduction to like, like
Speaker 1: I knew about so many other work I had not
Speaker 1: both that album, you know, but but that but that
Speaker 1: was something I actually I still listened to it, man,
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't even listen to none of
Speaker 1: my old music what not. I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: don't feel like it's my best work. Really explain it.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's I don't think it's to
Speaker 1: my best ship. Like I always think that I can
Speaker 1: do it way better. You know. I always listened to
Speaker 1: my music and I hear something that I should have
Speaker 1: did better off. I should have put that down. And
Speaker 1: I ride. I ride with my um uh demos. I'll
Speaker 1: ride with him two or three weeks before I actually
Speaker 1: record them. And you know, I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that everything is perfect. Man, I still miss ship. You're
Speaker 1: still you're still making music. I'm done, You're done because
Speaker 1: we're talked about that yesterday or two days. Really, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm man. I got a studio in my house, man family,
Speaker 1: mark my words right now. I'm saying it right here.
Speaker 1: Second episode, Get Old Boys Reloaded. Scarface a k a.
Speaker 1: Brad Jordan is not done recording music, not just with him.
Speaker 1: To intro this podcast, I hope you're not done because
Speaker 1: I'm done making music though you really done for sure? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: well when it comes out, I look forward to hearing it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like you guys get better
Speaker 1: as you get older, but as you mentioned, your time
Speaker 1: become short and you find the other ways to make money.
Speaker 1: It's not really about the money for me. Um you
Speaker 1: ever you ever heard of that the no country for
Speaker 1: old men? And that's how I feel when it comes
Speaker 1: to music, because you go. Okay, so remember in the
Speaker 1: beginning you said, I peg you as a jazz man.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about jazz. Jazz used to be for teenagers.
Speaker 1: It was you know, when it first came out, was young.
Speaker 1: It was for teenagers. But as the artists got older,
Speaker 1: the genre got older. You know, when I grew up,
Speaker 1: jazz was associated with older people because all the young
Speaker 1: teenage artists became older artists and they got better as time.
Speaker 1: When all the jazz got better, the music. So I think,
Speaker 1: and I think, I think the young artists, I feel
Speaker 1: like they need, they really need guidance because they don't
Speaker 1: even know how to write lyrics anymore. It might be
Speaker 1: my fault and Willie's fault, and Cuban dre and and
Speaker 1: and the people that came before this generation of artists
Speaker 1: fault because we're not making music anymore. We're not leaving
Speaker 1: a blueprint behind for them to go on. So I
Speaker 1: could possibly, I could possibly take partial blame for that.
Speaker 1: And there's really nothing named for you, you know, man, Damn,
Speaker 1: that's some good. I never thought about that, bro. Man.
Speaker 1: They need they need the black community needs in general.
Speaker 1: Black men guidance, they need mentorship. They're looking for that,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's why I get disappointed. Remember when Um,
Speaker 1: I was talking to my teenage son about this today.
Speaker 1: I remember when Iced Tea was beefing with a soldier boy,
Speaker 1: remember that, Like, I was very disappointed in that because
Speaker 1: you know, if you're here, you know, the young guys
Speaker 1: usually come up like I honor you, I admire you,
Speaker 1: I want to be just like you, and so they
Speaker 1: don't see you as their peers. They see you as
Speaker 1: as as a mentor, you know, and so when they
Speaker 1: get out of line. Um, you could approach it as man,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's terrible, that's that's garbage. Or actually you
Speaker 1: should approach it in a more instructive capacity, you know,
Speaker 1: like our eighteen year old he pisses me off every day,
Speaker 1: the ship that he does. I'm like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You know? And then I have
Speaker 1: to call myself and remember, like how I how I
Speaker 1: approach that is very important. I have to approach it
Speaker 1: as a teacher. Right. So what's happening, I think in
Speaker 1: our whole community at large, not just in music, is
Speaker 1: that we lost those males that were the mentors. Like
Speaker 1: in Chicago, even the you know a lot of the
Speaker 1: gang leaders were at least they had order and structure
Speaker 1: and a hierarchy. They did, and then when they send
Speaker 1: them all to prison, they lost that. Now you've got
Speaker 1: kids with everywhere. Yeah, just all kinds of chaos, and
Speaker 1: nobody believes in or respects anything. So I personally think
Speaker 1: hip hop needs its mentors. Well we have, we do.
Speaker 1: They're out there. The men who are out there, they
Speaker 1: are capable. The problem is, I do believe that there's
Speaker 1: a number of guys out there who won't jump out
Speaker 1: there for various reasons. One could be that, you know,
Speaker 1: they feel like the youngsters are not gonna listen, so
Speaker 1: it would be a waste of time. Then you have
Speaker 1: us who may not want to see anything because they
Speaker 1: don't want to be looked at as a hypocrite because
Speaker 1: they had a tumultual with upbringing. They did some dirt
Speaker 1: and stuff. Somebody's gonna throw it in their face. You know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get it thrown in their face when they
Speaker 1: go out there and and and try to bring these youngsters,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, to an understanding lean. Let me say
Speaker 1: this all. Let me say this too, Doc. We lost
Speaker 1: hip hop when we let the machine dictate what got
Speaker 1: a chance to make it and what didn't. Okay, because
Speaker 1: we have some artists out here that are of the
Speaker 1: younger generation that that makes music that makes sense, and
Speaker 1: it's just not what the the powers that be showed
Speaker 1: choose chooses to put out there, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like like I'm not I'm not and I love to
Speaker 1: see young black skin money. That's a beautiful thing. But
Speaker 1: it was one mc hammer and it was uh a
Speaker 1: thousand great artists, you know what I mean? It was
Speaker 1: it was one person that did dancing, one person that
Speaker 1: did did did uh uh commercial rap. You know I'm
Speaker 1: not slighting him at all, don't don't say that, But
Speaker 1: it was it was artists that because I haven't got
Speaker 1: them hands and you know, ship I got them trying
Speaker 1: to no way, you know nobody bought that ship. I
Speaker 1: got hands too. Huh ainybody my tongue, Man, how I
Speaker 1: got in? I'm not your brother fucking hair. When you
Speaker 1: think how much time? Why are you? What do you
Speaker 1: think the meaning of how much time is? And I'll
Speaker 1: just say if HIMMA jumped me, man, you better jump in. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, hem, what the fun did they could
Speaker 1: do to you? Man? Shot to him? See him? But
Speaker 1: back in the gap, you had like one, uh now,
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, put on the show, and
Speaker 1: then you had twenty other artists that that that that
Speaker 1: wrapped their way to the top type you feel me?
Speaker 1: And now you got all these other artists right now.
Speaker 1: They just put on shows that can't rap work the fun,
Speaker 1: you know, but they you know, and I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not disappointed in that at all. But I blame the
Speaker 1: machine for for for the mom and Pops. You know,
Speaker 1: you crippled the black community when you took the mom
Speaker 1: and Pops out of the neighborhood. You know, I blame
Speaker 1: I blame those powers that be for taking CDs out
Speaker 1: of the best buyers. And you know, instead of having
Speaker 1: to buy a single, you can now just stream the
Speaker 1: ship one time and give us a penny. And you
Speaker 1: you getting the money for the subscriptions, okay, and said
Speaker 1: you got twenty million, thirty million subscriptions to Apple at
Speaker 1: nine nine a month, or you wanta give this black artist,
Speaker 1: you know, three bucks a record, four bucks a record,
Speaker 1: pick one. The powers that be fuck this game up.
Speaker 1: You know, if you don't have an Instagram following in
Speaker 1: your streams, not you're not gonna get a deal, and
Speaker 1: I know, how did you get it back? How do
Speaker 1: you how do you get it back? How do you
Speaker 1: regain control? You? You ship? I mean, how did jazz
Speaker 1: regain control? How did reggae regain control? How did R
Speaker 1: and B regain control? You know who stole the soul?
Speaker 1: How does rock regain control? You know what I think happened?
Speaker 1: I think, uh with those genres, I think the the
Speaker 1: the powers that be, the the commercial companies, they started
Speaker 1: to devalue it right. And once they devalued it, I
Speaker 1: think that those people that was in the business, they
Speaker 1: saw an opportunity and said, Okay, it's our chance to
Speaker 1: go in and and reclaim our thing and be independent
Speaker 1: and now and not only we were gonna be in
Speaker 1: it and and we're gonna be independent, but now we're
Speaker 1: gonna set ourselves up as the gatekeepers. Make your laugh, right,
Speaker 1: let me make you laugh. When we were growing up
Speaker 1: in junior high school and high school and we saw
Speaker 1: a little white kid rapping, we thought that was the
Speaker 1: coolest ship that we had ever seen. Right, we didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't realize that that it was gonna come a
Speaker 1: time that hip hop was gonna turn into two jazz
Speaker 1: or turning the rock like we didn't know that they
Speaker 1: were coming to take this ship from us again and
Speaker 1: and take this genre of music from us and then
Speaker 1: you know, alienate us from it. You know, we didn't
Speaker 1: see that ship. We just we had warnings and and
Speaker 1: and I congratulated as earlier as day they was talking
Speaker 1: about how they did with rock and roll. We had
Speaker 1: to warn it. I congratulate hip hop because we held
Speaker 1: going in this ship for as long as we could.
Speaker 1: And I wish that we would not have ever uh
Speaker 1: contoured or or or bent to the shape of the
Speaker 1: way that the industry is being ran right now, because
Speaker 1: we control that ship. And now finally we got their
Speaker 1: as you know, now we got them, they gotta do it,
Speaker 1: you know, they gotta do what we say. We can't.
Speaker 1: They can't get their music out, you know, except by
Speaker 1: the Internet. And there's a million people trying to wrap
Speaker 1: now so that that lane is cluttered like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: You feel me like, it's it's just traffic, bumper, the
Speaker 1: bumper on the internet with new rappers coming out, Well,
Speaker 1: you can say that that's a beautiful platform to have,
Speaker 1: but I say that's bullshit, because you're gonna get caught
Speaker 1: in the wash. There's too much it going on out
Speaker 1: there for you to put a point on on on
Speaker 1: uh a leap three sixty or uh you know the
Speaker 1: ub K movement that's going on right now or racks
Speaker 1: Rio like little kids like youngsters is coming up in
Speaker 1: the game. That's that's making some great, great music that
Speaker 1: will probably never get a chance to listen to because
Speaker 1: the game so bumper the bumper And if you're not
Speaker 1: streaming or got a million fake followers on the internet,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna pay you attention. No, Well, you know
Speaker 1: what I think, man, I think, uh, you know, to
Speaker 1: your point earlier when you mentioned guys being kind of
Speaker 1: concerned about getting out there because it could be called
Speaker 1: a hypocrite. For example, I will tell you I learned
Speaker 1: my best lessons in the world from the guys who
Speaker 1: made all the mistakes. You know, you have more credibility
Speaker 1: with me if you said, look, this is what I
Speaker 1: did when I was your age, because it made sense
Speaker 1: to me at the time, but I regret it. And
Speaker 1: here's why that that actually gave me more credibility than
Speaker 1: somebody who never had that experience, right, you know, like
Speaker 1: I learned like my father um, you know, overcame a
Speaker 1: heroin addiction, drank too much all that. So from the
Speaker 1: time I was little, he would saying, don't do what
Speaker 1: I did, and he would explain exactly why, you know,
Speaker 1: we go out. Man. You know, he was a cop.
Speaker 1: He take me out driving somewhere. He says, you see
Speaker 1: that guy over there, and be like yeah, He's like, well,
Speaker 1: that guy sit. He pointed some you know, bump bum
Speaker 1: homeless guys sitting on the street, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: this guy used to be the start of the football
Speaker 1: team and he was the most popular guy in my
Speaker 1: high school. Now look at him. Do you want to
Speaker 1: be like that? And I'd be like no, and then
Speaker 1: that that that had an impression. So I personally think
Speaker 1: that artists, it's okay to say when we were young,
Speaker 1: we didn't have the guidance. Nobody told us what this
Speaker 1: was gonna become, you know, um, and that's something that
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, if I'm talking to yourself
Speaker 1: or Cube or anybody, just you know, and I submit
Speaker 1: always respectfully because I'm not out here trying to tell
Speaker 1: anybody what to do, I would say, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like I just cub has a great song uh that
Speaker 1: he did with him c ran where he says, I
Speaker 1: started this gangster ship and this the motherfucking thanks. I get.
Speaker 1: You know the song right, and it's like, yeah, you did.
Speaker 1: Started it was cute. I thought it was cute. Dray
Speaker 1: said the line first. Oh okay, okay, I thought it
Speaker 1: was Cube song. But maybe I got it wrong. Um,
Speaker 1: Cube uses that as a hook? Okay, right, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what was confusing because said Drake said it in
Speaker 1: the song, and Cube used it as a hook, started
Speaker 1: this gangster ship and as the motherfucking thanks. I get. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. So so here's my thing, right, I
Speaker 1: think that we can um honor and celebrate the accomplishments
Speaker 1: of hip hop while at the same time saying, like
Speaker 1: you were talking about with music, how could we have
Speaker 1: done this a little bit better? You know how? What
Speaker 1: are some things that we can look back on and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we didn't know this is gonna lead to bigging pocket
Speaker 1: and kill. We didn't know this is gonna lead to
Speaker 1: you know, you think about it and artist dies like
Speaker 1: once a week, you know what I mean, Like, we
Speaker 1: didn't want it to turn into this per se. So
Speaker 1: here's some things. I think artists, I think that the
Speaker 1: power of the words, Like think about man rappers with
Speaker 1: social media influences. Before there was social media, we talked
Speaker 1: about that, and it's like that those words got power. Man.
Speaker 1: It's not just like I'm just saying nobody's gonna listen.
Speaker 1: People listen. People imitate that ship, right, So what we
Speaker 1: put out there in the universe, it does matter. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: But I can't take responsibility for that because everything I say,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean, Like if if
Speaker 1: do you remember when we were back in the Gap, Willie,
Speaker 1: when when the state trooper got killed up in Austin
Speaker 1: or whatever and they tried to blame it on the
Speaker 1: music that he was listening to, Like, yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: saying the devil made me do it. You know that.
Speaker 1: That's bullshit to me, Like the devil didn't make me
Speaker 1: do that. Y'all remember that seemed like the early nineties,
Speaker 1: y'all got a lot of heat from the fiends and
Speaker 1: the media and stuff like what they were blaming the
Speaker 1: music of blaming the music for like a lot of
Speaker 1: things that what happened is that I think I remember that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they never put anything on you know the films mhm.
Speaker 1: You know, they never put responsibility on the situation that
Speaker 1: the growing up. They never they never gave a responsibility
Speaker 1: to the parents, to the upbringing of the child. You
Speaker 1: know why this ship happened in the first place, you know,
Speaker 1: even why we think like we do. You know, that's
Speaker 1: the weird product of the environment. And you can blame
Speaker 1: music for that ship all you can look at the
Speaker 1: real corporate culprit of that ship. You know why. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting the economy and and that and that have
Speaker 1: you have. You know, on one end, you got the
Speaker 1: parents responsibility because everything starts at home. We know that.
Speaker 1: Being on the other hand, as all, we cannot just
Speaker 1: say that we don't have any type of responsibility at all.
Speaker 1: I think all of us have a responsibility because it takes,
Speaker 1: it does take a village to raise a child. And
Speaker 1: so when when mama and daddy can teach a child
Speaker 1: everything the right way, and if that child ends up
Speaker 1: at a party and some food pulls out a gun
Speaker 1: and starts just shooting, your child becomes a casualty, you know,
Speaker 1: because that other child didn't have the village looking out
Speaker 1: for him. It's like I said, it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: combination of all factors. It's not just music. It's the
Speaker 1: music does get a lot of a lot of the
Speaker 1: bad rap. But I was taught seeing this believing, so
Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe that the movies are more dangerous,
Speaker 1: but they never get the blame. Of course, because hip
Speaker 1: hop is the low hanging fruit. We we get the
Speaker 1: attacks because and we're more accessible, you know, like a
Speaker 1: you know, a little Dirk is more accessible than Appacino.
Speaker 1: You know, so so when you see that, you know,
Speaker 1: Opportuno is like out of sight, out of mind, right
Speaker 1: and we only see him on the big screen. Uh,
Speaker 1: But Dirk is like on Instagram. He's talking ship. You know,
Speaker 1: he's talking this ship. You know. You know, yeah, they talk,
Speaker 1: They're they're more accessible, so it's easy say, oh man,
Speaker 1: they're doing this and this and this that. In the third,
Speaker 1: I think that all of us ask some responsibility. This
Speaker 1: is why even though my life I feel like it's
Speaker 1: on a on a on a great trajectory right now,
Speaker 1: even my children's life, you know, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: incumbent upon me, as an elder to all to put
Speaker 1: the information out there for those youngsters who ain't getting it.
Speaker 1: So that's why that's why I say that I disagree
Speaker 1: because you're raised your children right, Willie, and your children
Speaker 1: are in position right now to prosper from their upbringing.
Speaker 1: That's true. But what I'm what what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: that we don't have the luxury of not helping those
Speaker 1: kids who filed Shart. We don't have that luxury because
Speaker 1: no matter what our children interacts with those children, you
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So I feel like and not
Speaker 1: just our children in act with those children at some point.
Speaker 1: Imagine a kid who's who's growing up in the hood.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever asked him, Hey, man, man, I got a
Speaker 1: couple of tickets to the game. You want to go?
Speaker 1: I got an extra ticket to the game. You want
Speaker 1: to go. Hey, we're going to the park, We're going
Speaker 1: to the beach. You want to go with us? Instead
Speaker 1: of just listening, looking at him and saying all that
Speaker 1: boy problematic, That boy's gonna get in trouble, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get he gonna get killed if you don't, if you
Speaker 1: don't reach out to that kid, perhaps some day when
Speaker 1: you're a little older and you can't defend yourself as
Speaker 1: good you don't walk as fast swiftly. Perhaps that's the
Speaker 1: kid that's that's crawling through your window while you're while
Speaker 1: you're laying up in the bed, you know, laid out.
Speaker 1: I just I just don't feel I feel like there
Speaker 1: can be any child left behind unless that child actually
Speaker 1: just wants to be left behind. We have to reach out.
Speaker 1: Some of these kids just don't have the right information.
Speaker 1: They don't even know that they have the option. They
Speaker 1: don't even know that the option exists for them, and
Speaker 1: and and a lot of it is that people in
Speaker 1: our age group are not giving the information up because
Speaker 1: they feel like, well, they're not gonna listen anyway, and
Speaker 1: so they don't even want to take the time out
Speaker 1: to share the information. We are we are responsible for
Speaker 1: whatever condition that this generation is in today. We are
Speaker 1: directly responsible us as a generation. The generation that precedes
Speaker 1: the current generation is always responsible for that current generation.
Speaker 1: And we didn't do a good job, man, we just
Speaker 1: didn't do a damn good job. Not that that's that's
Speaker 1: not an excuse for the youngsters have just said, well, okay,
Speaker 1: since they didn't do a good job, I dropped the ball.
Speaker 1: They dropped the ball, so I ain't got to pick
Speaker 1: it up. I'll just do whatever I want to act
Speaker 1: reckless or whatever, and and and have no responsibility for whatever.
Speaker 1: It's not to say that they shouldn't do that. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that we were coupable broke, like we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't get a free pass on this ship. Let
Speaker 1: me put some one in your mind. Um, I feel
Speaker 1: like the elected officials should put ship in place where
Speaker 1: these kids come you know back they can come out
Speaker 1: of high school with uh pieces of paper that allows
Speaker 1: them to be you know that take trade that you know,
Speaker 1: uh carpenters, masons, uh, electricians, plumbers or what have you.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like ninety percent of our kids
Speaker 1: are not going to go to college, you know, out
Speaker 1: of our community because from where we come from. Not
Speaker 1: not our kids, but the kids come out of the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: out of Sunnyside, you know, uh fifth ward that they
Speaker 1: may not be able to go to college and may
Speaker 1: not be able to afford go to go to college.
Speaker 1: But and they may not have the desire to go
Speaker 1: to college. But if you put trade, if you if
Speaker 1: they come out of high school with a certificate, and
Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to provide themselves a livable wage,
Speaker 1: and I think that that that would give them more
Speaker 1: incentive to to to push on with life and state
Speaker 1: of funk out the streets and out you know, of
Speaker 1: trouble that's so easy to get into when you don't
Speaker 1: have an alternative. I can't tell you not to go
Speaker 1: and rob this old lady. You know it's wrong. I
Speaker 1: know it's wrong. But you can say money, you don't
Speaker 1: know it's wrong. Well, you can still tell them not
Speaker 1: to do it. It's just that different. It's alternative, for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can, you can offer not turn it. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, you know you
Speaker 1: can tell them not to do it. You should tell
Speaker 1: them not to do it. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's still going to be their choice and
Speaker 1: their consequences. I can do it, yeah, but I want
Speaker 1: to help, want to help in every way that I can.
Speaker 1: But you know Bucket made, you know what you made.
Speaker 1: But well, let me say this. And here's the thing, man,
Speaker 1: I think that we can as men, you know, in
Speaker 1: our community. Um, I believe that the strength of the
Speaker 1: black community will lean solely on the strength of its men.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're not first, it's what I mean
Speaker 1: of its men. Uh you know when when you're not
Speaker 1: first became friends. I'm glad to know you too, Bron
Speaker 1: never always admired, you're working everything, like you know the
Speaker 1: thing you said to me that that uh, then let
Speaker 1: me know, Okay, this is a guy I can I
Speaker 1: can rock with as you. He was talking about white
Speaker 1: supremacy and you said, ain't nothing you could do to
Speaker 1: me that I can't do to you. And that's an
Speaker 1: empowered statement. That's not one of these victims statements like
Speaker 1: oh look at what they're doing to us, right I'm
Speaker 1: trying to it like like men are not supposed to
Speaker 1: be should be victims, Like either you think about sports
Speaker 1: or war or whatever, you can't be like, well, the
Speaker 1: reason we keep losing football games because every time we
Speaker 1: get the ball they just take it like that makes
Speaker 1: you sound like a pump, you know. And and so
Speaker 1: I think that as men, I think that we can
Speaker 1: kind of say, okay, let's let's not worry about who
Speaker 1: to blame. Let's not blame anybody right away, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, let's not even talk about if
Speaker 1: people want to take some blame like you took some
Speaker 1: responsibility and took it on your shoulder. That that's cool.
Speaker 1: But I think also without convicting hip hop and saying oh,
Speaker 1: it was the rappers and it is, we could just say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we know rappers have power. That's all I need to know.
Speaker 1: I don't really need to oh, how the power was
Speaker 1: used in the past, and if it's the rappers fault
Speaker 1: for this and fault for that, it's like, we know
Speaker 1: rappers have power. I don't think that can be denied, right,
Speaker 1: So the question to me becomes, if I'm a rapper
Speaker 1: and I'm conscious I care about my people, how do
Speaker 1: I use that power in a way that's going to
Speaker 1: make sure that from this point forward we're winning. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help my team win, Like how we got
Speaker 1: here is how we got here. But I can take
Speaker 1: some accountability for helping the team win going forward. And
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you, man, I checked out both
Speaker 1: of y'all's music that you put out a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't I probablyn't seen it all, but I saw
Speaker 1: you did a song where you were in the community,
Speaker 1: you were walking through the hood. You would say you
Speaker 1: had an empowering message. I don't remember the exact part
Speaker 1: of the song. But like you said, it was and
Speaker 1: I noticed this trend like with you and and and
Speaker 1: you both of y'all and also cute, like it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: these guys the music has gotten better because they know
Speaker 1: their power. They're not just twenty two year olds that
Speaker 1: are just you know, trying to stay relevant. Like now,
Speaker 1: you're older men who have lived life and you have
Speaker 1: a perspective. You know, you're not afraid. I know you're
Speaker 1: not scared to go to war, to fight, to do whatever.
Speaker 1: But and why soldier is a person who understands the
Speaker 1: real tragedy and the pain of war. Right And and
Speaker 1: then so the soldiers. The guy who's gonna say I
Speaker 1: don't want to go to war, right, it's the stupid
Speaker 1: ass who's never been the war who's like, no, you're
Speaker 1: we need to go fight and need to go. No,
Speaker 1: a guy who's really been in the battle is like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: We're willing to do that if we have to, but
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be our first option, right. So, right,
Speaker 1: and that's what coming to to us happen to go
Speaker 1: to war. It is it is it is that And
Speaker 1: I'm not meant me say this, and like, like you said, uh,
Speaker 1: what could I But what could I do to use
Speaker 1: my platform to enlighten my people and let them know?
Speaker 1: I think the first thing that I could say is
Speaker 1: that I'm not intimidated by white supremacy, and they should
Speaker 1: not be either. You should not be on on television, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, crying because this white supremacist is doing what
Speaker 1: they're doing. You shouldn't do that. You should match absolutely
Speaker 1: not and you and you probably get some backlash for
Speaker 1: that now and not get some backlash for coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know what what I'm what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that you have people that are apologists for criers,
Speaker 1: you know, like not like I'm like this bro, Like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not one who subscribed to the idea
Speaker 1: that man should not cry into any circumstances. But when
Speaker 1: it's war, Bro, when you're under attack, that ain't the
Speaker 1: time to cry. That is not the time to cry
Speaker 1: that that that is the when it's war is the time.
Speaker 1: That is the time for war. You did what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But you know what that is that that's uh because
Speaker 1: they get rid of so many of your men with
Speaker 1: you know, when Clinton and Biden signed those crime bills.
Speaker 1: Our community became a feminine community with a lot of
Speaker 1: feminine energy kind of rolls to the top. So when
Speaker 1: Ice Cubes stepped up, it was like, no, you're not
Speaker 1: You're not get votes from black people without delivering something.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a basic message. Right. People were like,
Speaker 1: whoa wait, what is this? And they, because they're not
Speaker 1: used to the black community being represented by masculine energy,
Speaker 1: to say like, I don't I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: your friend. I don't care how many nice things you
Speaker 1: say about me. Uh, it's fun you pay me right,
Speaker 1: that like, basically, you know that you deliver for us,
Speaker 1: we deliver for you. If not, then that's fine. And
Speaker 1: and and that to me was something that um represented.
Speaker 1: I think that represent an important part of black political
Speaker 1: history because as a result of seeing that all kind
Speaker 1: of go down and how it's played out, the next
Speaker 1: election is going to be different than the last one.
Speaker 1: And they're watching it, they're like, Okay, black people not
Speaker 1: as dumb as we thought they were years ago. They're
Speaker 1: getting that's why they're putting different uh obstacles in place
Speaker 1: in order for you to vote. You know, they're making
Speaker 1: it more difficult and more difficult for black people and
Speaker 1: brown people to vote. And that's why I don't understand
Speaker 1: why we donna take advantage of the opportunity to do so,
Speaker 1: because the more we sit back and watch from the sideline,
Speaker 1: the more they get to put their players on on
Speaker 1: on the field and dictate our future. You know, in
Speaker 1: the long run, that's that's that's just wrong, bro. But
Speaker 1: but if I haven't having said that, Brad, uh boys,
Speaker 1: I know you know you have the same concept about
Speaker 1: this voting things as Cuba is, Like, what am I
Speaker 1: getting out of it? And you're not getting my vote
Speaker 1: unless I got something up front. We need to make
Speaker 1: a deal right now? How do we get how do
Speaker 1: we how do we how do we merge that gap
Speaker 1: and and be and be able to be a part
Speaker 1: of the process. Where you got people like Brad that's saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta vote, we gotta be a part of the process.
Speaker 1: But at the same time you step in and saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we gotta get something out of it. And how
Speaker 1: do you convince those people who maybe may feel like
Speaker 1: we got to vote no matter what, how do you
Speaker 1: convince them that you get but you gotta get something
Speaker 1: out of it. So what what if you okay, check
Speaker 1: this up. Let me ask a question. If you elect
Speaker 1: an official and you don't hold their feet to the fire,
Speaker 1: that show fault. It's not about not getting what you
Speaker 1: asked for. It's about going in there and making them
Speaker 1: make good on a promise. Okay, that's what. But but
Speaker 1: but in politics, in politics, you you cut the deal
Speaker 1: before you put them in office. You cut the deal
Speaker 1: before you go, and then you hold the deal. The
Speaker 1: deal gotta be cut. It's gotta be an agreement. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we want and and yeah, I need
Speaker 1: you to agree to it. Now, here's the thing. Haven't
Speaker 1: said that. I did not give body my vote this
Speaker 1: time around. I did not give Byden my vote because
Speaker 1: he agreed to say, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1: I gave him. I gave Biden my vote because I
Speaker 1: can't stand Donald Trump ass. I mean, I don't care
Speaker 1: what none of y'all Trump supporters say. I don't give
Speaker 1: a damn about Donald Trump. I don't like him. I
Speaker 1: got tired of looking at his ugly ass face, his
Speaker 1: stak mouth talk. I just wanted to get rich, stop
Speaker 1: seeing his stak ass every single second in the news
Speaker 1: eighteen stories out of twenty Donald Trump. And he's attacking everybody.
Speaker 1: He's attacking football, he's attacking baseball, basketball, He's attacking his constituents.
Speaker 1: He's attacking uh with vetter veteran widows. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's a military he's attacking veterans. He's attacking military widows.
Speaker 1: He's attacking his own damn colleagues, and and and and
Speaker 1: his members of his cabinet. And I just was ready
Speaker 1: to get rid of his ass. Nah. I knew that
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and Joe Biden would be who they are
Speaker 1: because I know who they are. And when they said,
Speaker 1: when they when Kamala stepped up there and said that
Speaker 1: America is not a racist country, When Tim Scott stepped
Speaker 1: up and said America is not a racist country, what
Speaker 1: was your reaction. I wasn't surprised. I wasn't surprised at all.
Speaker 1: We we know it's uh, well, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: remember that that Um, I think everything you said is
Speaker 1: accurate for sure, right Trump? You know whatever, man, that
Speaker 1: guy's not he I mean, I'm surprised he got elected. Period.
Speaker 1: He's not a statesman. He's a talk show he's he's
Speaker 1: he's a reality star. He's not a statesman. He's a clansman, right, right.
Speaker 1: But but this is where what I add in, though,
Speaker 1: is that you can't tell me that Biden, who pushed
Speaker 1: that crime bill that locked up more black people than
Speaker 1: any leader in American history, wasn't also claned like behavior
Speaker 1: clan can't even pull that off, you know, so, so
Speaker 1: so I don't I give the thinger to both of them,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but I look at things
Speaker 1: just in a practical standpoint where it's like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not really mad at white people for protecting what they got.
Speaker 1: I just don't you know, I'm not mad at you
Speaker 1: because because I protect what I got, I'm not mad
Speaker 1: at you. In fact, I'm not even mad at you
Speaker 1: if you think you're white supremacist, because that don't that
Speaker 1: don't have to matter to me. It don't matter to
Speaker 1: me because I believe in black excellence. You might even
Speaker 1: call me a black supremacist. I believe that, right, No, right,
Speaker 1: I you know, I believe that blackness is beautiful, perfect,
Speaker 1: wonderful and extraordinary and that we can't be stopped. That's
Speaker 1: what I believe. So you can I almost argue that
Speaker 1: I believe I'm a black supremacist because I would rather
Speaker 1: be friends with a black person that supremacist in American right, right, right,
Speaker 1: But but I have a preference, right, And let me
Speaker 1: just say this too, let me say this, right, we
Speaker 1: believe that lingering out that they'll pick it up and
Speaker 1: start running when it is right, right, right, right right,
Speaker 1: We're not We're not hate nobody, right right. I believe
Speaker 1: that if you love yourself enough, you don't have to
Speaker 1: hate anybody, and you don't really give a ship if
Speaker 1: anybody hate you. Yeah, I get my love comes from
Speaker 1: my people, comes from myself. Man, I don't really You
Speaker 1: could tell me, like, if some toothless hill billy in
Speaker 1: a grocery store decides to call me the inn word,
Speaker 1: why do I give a funk that person? You have
Speaker 1: no power. The time when you have is the power
Speaker 1: I give you when I make you relevant enough to
Speaker 1: respond to you. You know what, All that's true, But
Speaker 1: still it wouldn't hurt to make that toothless and well
Speaker 1: you know I'm not. I'm not gonna stop that. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Remember though, when you decide to go
Speaker 1: out and you with your kids, they call you the
Speaker 1: inn word. You punch the toothless hill billy out, you
Speaker 1: go to jail. You know you might lose your you
Speaker 1: lose your job. You know all these because think about
Speaker 1: your butt. Let let's well, let's flip it. And let's
Speaker 1: flip it. Right. If I went up to a white
Speaker 1: somebody that's walking down the street. Man, here, take that
Speaker 1: right there. But let's say I'm a black man with
Speaker 1: no power and I go up to a white a
Speaker 1: rich white man, and I call him, you know, some
Speaker 1: terrible word whatever work the worst word you can think of?
Speaker 1: Do you think he's a mess of his rich white
Speaker 1: man life? The worst thing that you can come? Revenge
Speaker 1: on me? What's what's the worst thing you can call?
Speaker 1: What do you think the worst thing you can call
Speaker 1: a rich white man? I have no idea. Where do
Speaker 1: you think colling? What you can call him? The worst
Speaker 1: thing you can call collect? What? Call him collect? Good
Speaker 1: as good assid you know the worst thing you can
Speaker 1: come the same thing that you can call a poor
Speaker 1: white man a nigga? Call him a nigga? What? Because
Speaker 1: many of them they ain't been called that? So when
Speaker 1: you call one of the racist one that they ain't
Speaker 1: got no combat because that nigga is their power. Racism
Speaker 1: is their power. They use that man like that's the superpower.
Speaker 1: Like without racism, without that word there, there's nothing anyway.
Speaker 1: But they are really enough without racism. They need those
Speaker 1: words to survive. They need that type of mentality they
Speaker 1: need they feel to feel relevant. Well, they need our energy.
Speaker 1: What they their power also comes to the fact that
Speaker 1: they can control us with their words. What type of
Speaker 1: person would want to stand over what kind of man
Speaker 1: would want to stand superior over another man? I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a complex with no but if you
Speaker 1: read if you read the book like Power Nomics, you
Speaker 1: know Dr CLAUDEA. Anderson kind of breaks down racism and
Speaker 1: race as a competition. Right, So you think about sports.
Speaker 1: If you play basketball, you want to be you want
Speaker 1: to stand over the other team, you want to be
Speaker 1: the one who want to be. That's fine, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a team sport. But you don't want to be
Speaker 1: a man? Uh. That that's you know, overpowering another man
Speaker 1: and stopping him from making his moves. That ship is
Speaker 1: a game, This ship is real life. I would want
Speaker 1: to stand over another man? You know and and be supreme,
Speaker 1: you know, like you're talking about like like like being
Speaker 1: a slave master basically something like that, like even the
Speaker 1: day Well, you know one thing, you got to realize it.
Speaker 1: But right, I don't saying capitalism. That's what capitalism is.
Speaker 1: You either you either the boss or you're not the boss.
Speaker 1: I've made it. I decided that if if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play the game at all, I want to be the boss.
Speaker 1: You know, and we're not. And here's but you're not
Speaker 1: gonna You're not gonna stand on another boss and stop.
Speaker 1: No I don't. I don't want stop people from rose.
Speaker 1: What I do is I say, look, this is what
Speaker 1: the agenda is gonna be, and if people try to
Speaker 1: get in the way, then we might have a conflict
Speaker 1: over that. But ultimately, when it comes to like certain territories,
Speaker 1: and I think every I think every black man that
Speaker 1: that wants power needs to find some space where you
Speaker 1: could be the boss. I don't like like like in
Speaker 1: my house some power like that. Well, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to. I want to range
Speaker 1: supreme in my own domain. I run my fucking house.
Speaker 1: I don't run around my house. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with the size of my dick. I'm comfortable.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with the car drive. You know, I'm comfortable
Speaker 1: with the money I have. I'm good, Okay, So I
Speaker 1: don't you know, it would be fucked up if I
Speaker 1: went and stood over someone of another race, and and
Speaker 1: and and kept trying to belittle them, you know, calling
Speaker 1: them all kind of fucking names or whatever to make
Speaker 1: myself feel good. That's just a that's just a sign
Speaker 1: of a person with low self esteem. And you have
Speaker 1: to stand up over somebody to make yourself look big,
Speaker 1: you know, mother fuker. I don't have to try to
Speaker 1: make myself look big, motherfucker. I am big. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I do agree with that. I think it's big. It's
Speaker 1: an evil kind of energy, you know, and I I
Speaker 1: think that. You know, the way my father used to
Speaker 1: talk to me about things is he helped me understand
Speaker 1: early that the world is evil. You know, if you
Speaker 1: go back and you look at a hundred thousand years
Speaker 1: of history, evil men have always come along and said,
Speaker 1: if you can't protect what you got, I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna take take your stuff, your woman,
Speaker 1: your children all of that. To your point, there's people
Speaker 1: that actually take pride in that. Sometimes I'm online and
Speaker 1: people talk about how, uh, you know Americans, you know,
Speaker 1: white Americans just stole, rape, pillaged everything and went over
Speaker 1: and conquered places and stuff, and and then you'll hear somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody will comment somebody that at least act like that
Speaker 1: they're white. Online they say something like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: survival of the fittest, you know that type of thing,
Speaker 1: get on your ass. Yeah, we'll see yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well you know, I think that you can have I
Speaker 1: believe you can't exist in peace, you know, like like
Speaker 1: what's what's mine is mine, what's yours and yours? And
Speaker 1: we ain't got a fight, like you know, like Hitler
Speaker 1: violated that. He decided, okay, I see poland over, I won't.
Speaker 1: I want what you got and that's when he started
Speaker 1: his invasions and all that, right and and and so
Speaker 1: to me, it's like where that can fall apart, though,
Speaker 1: is what if we went into a situation where we
Speaker 1: both feel entitled to the same thing, you know, like
Speaker 1: like I got my woman, you got your woman, you
Speaker 1: got your woman, or whatever case may be. What if
Speaker 1: we both have our eyes on the same woman. At
Speaker 1: that point there may be a competition unless one of
Speaker 1: us says, okay, you can have I'm gonna walk away. Right. So,
Speaker 1: I think the same thing happens with land, same thing
Speaker 1: happens with money, that you run into this and the
Speaker 1: other thing too. Now here's the other thing too. What
Speaker 1: if you what if you ain't working with nobody, you're
Speaker 1: just sitting there and chilling and somebody another man just
Speaker 1: comes along and says, I want what you got? You
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna eat your corn bread? Right, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? I believe you have to be prepared
Speaker 1: to defend yourself. That's my point, right, And I think
Speaker 1: that defense is necessary no matter who you are, because
Speaker 1: if you if you don't you know you, you can
Speaker 1: choose not to be evil, but that doesn't mean evil.
Speaker 1: I believe evil people will always exist. State of defense.
Speaker 1: I'm always on the on the defense in my old age,
Speaker 1: when I was in middle school, not on the offense.
Speaker 1: I'm on I'm on defense. When I was in middle school,
Speaker 1: that was a dude named Richard Burdon me and Richard
Speaker 1: cool not so I could tell his story. Richard Burton
Speaker 1: Richard Burton used to terrorize people at lunch. He would
Speaker 1: lunch and breakfast. He'd go come up to your plate
Speaker 1: and he stand over and said you want that, and
Speaker 1: he put his hand right in your potatoes or on
Speaker 1: your food or whatever. He just sticking thing right now.
Speaker 1: They'll be like people be like, no, you can have it.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching him doing this, like I'm watching him
Speaker 1: bullying for about a whole month at the beginning of school.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm watching him just just played after plate,
Speaker 1: student after student. Richard finally tried and when I saw
Speaker 1: him coming, I was ready. He stuck his uh finger
Speaker 1: in my place, said you want this, and I had
Speaker 1: my fucker said yeah, motherfucker I wanted. I stabbed the
Speaker 1: ship out of his ass with that. Fun went right
Speaker 1: through his hand, and so well, I said. I said
Speaker 1: that to say, if you already know you're dealing with bullets,
Speaker 1: and you see the bullet coming, you already see what
Speaker 1: the bully is doing, it's easy to get the bullet
Speaker 1: because the bullet is gonna underestimate you. The bully is
Speaker 1: gonna think you just like everybody else. You're gonna boy
Speaker 1: down just like everybody else. You're gonna take it, just
Speaker 1: like everybody else. And then one day the bully runs
Speaker 1: up into somebody who ain't gonna take it. And I'm
Speaker 1: one of those who ain't gonna take it ever, And
Speaker 1: that's what people don't understand, Like, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: easier to stand up and fight than it is the coward.
Speaker 1: You know, if you fight, then you don't have to
Speaker 1: deal with that person or anybody else as much because
Speaker 1: the word I get around. First of all, you taught
Speaker 1: that personal lesson, and then everybody else like nah, so
Speaker 1: what he did, I don't think I won't knowne of
Speaker 1: that with him. You know, bullies pick their targets. No,
Speaker 1: no different from the way pimp picks. He knows which
Speaker 1: women or make good holes and which women don't. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna go after that woman that's empowered and
Speaker 1: educated and has have self esteem. He goes after the
Speaker 1: easy prey. Right, So the same thing is true. You know,
Speaker 1: we look at white supremacy. That's the type of bullying.
Speaker 1: And I think that black people who fight back, I
Speaker 1: don't think they deal with you as the same as
Speaker 1: they deal with black people who are gonna always accommodate
Speaker 1: and The hard thing about a bully is that people
Speaker 1: don't understand bully energy. You know, bullies are naturally greedy,
Speaker 1: like they're like like the schoolyard bully is the original capitalist.
Speaker 1: Capitalism unfortunately, in its worst form, is very greedy. It's
Speaker 1: like it's never satisfied. Right. So if you think, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give the bullies five dollars because you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that'll make and leave me alone, No, next time
Speaker 1: he's gonna come back, he's gonna ask for tim you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got something else, he's gonna take that too,
Speaker 1: because he knows the easy target, you know. So I
Speaker 1: think in general, that's why it's important for black men
Speaker 1: to always be fighters, because even if you lose the
Speaker 1: fight the bully, even when he wins, he's still bleeding
Speaker 1: a little bit. He's still kind of like dowmn, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not there. You go there, you go like people,
Speaker 1: And that's what I And then I think also just
Speaker 1: for the women, you know, I think that the women,
Speaker 1: some of the black women, when they're dealing with like
Speaker 1: this whiny, weak little men, I think they get so
Speaker 1: um disheartened because they're like, we don't expect you to
Speaker 1: always win, but we expect you to always fight. Man. Now,
Speaker 1: you can't drop that when it's attached. But anyway, man,
Speaker 1: you just dropped the mic on that one. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta fight. Man, you got to fight. We don't
Speaker 1: expect you to always win, but we expect you to
Speaker 1: always fight. Yeah, man, I learned. But you know, but
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I have you drop jewels. I had
Speaker 1: you dropped the mic at his wedding up boys boys
Speaker 1: dropped the mic doing his during his vials. Man, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, everybody, I guess I did it right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you mentioned Dr Claude Anderson please enlightened like a
Speaker 1: black economists or something, right, Dr Dr Claude? When when
Speaker 1: did you first hear of Dr Claude? First of all, family,
Speaker 1: the guy is a genius. He's he's a genius. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he's been putting in the work for a long
Speaker 1: time and he's a hero. You know, when when did
Speaker 1: you first hear about it? I met him for the
Speaker 1: first time in two thousand or six, and uh, when
Speaker 1: did you hear about him first? I think that might
Speaker 1: have been the first time I knew anything about his work? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and he wrote power omics. And the thing
Speaker 1: about about pomics, it's like he wrote two books that
Speaker 1: everybody once power Omics, the other ones Black Labor White
Speaker 1: Well and Black labor White wealth. Is powerful because it
Speaker 1: gives you all that history, that black history that you're
Speaker 1: not gonna get in school. Like, he will tell you
Speaker 1: things that you that your history teachers never gonna tell
Speaker 1: you about how we got to where we are right now,
Speaker 1: Exactly how they took the wealth out of black people,
Speaker 1: exactly what laws they put in place, how they structured
Speaker 1: white supremacy to the core, so you'll understand how to
Speaker 1: fight it. Uh. And so like for example, a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't even know that. Actually that whole idea
Speaker 1: of enslaving somebody for life, actually it came from a
Speaker 1: black man. There was a black man from England who
Speaker 1: came in. I guess he thought it was one of
Speaker 1: the white people. Came over with all the white folks.
Speaker 1: They gave him some slaves, and at that time, all
Speaker 1: the slaves were indentured servants. They would only work for
Speaker 1: the master for a certain amount of time. Well, uh,
Speaker 1: he had he would he would just keep his slaves
Speaker 1: for life. You know, he didn't he didn't do what
Speaker 1: everybody else did. He would just keep him, you know,
Speaker 1: for six years. So one white guy came over to
Speaker 1: the plantation and he talked to one of one of
Speaker 1: the guy slaves, and the uh, he said, how long
Speaker 1: have you've been working there? He said, oh, I've been
Speaker 1: here forty five years. You know. He said, you he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna let you go. He said no, He told me,
Speaker 1: I gotta be here for life. So the white guy told, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that. You can leave like
Speaker 1: you you ain't gotta work here no more. So the
Speaker 1: guy ran off. He left, and so the black guy
Speaker 1: who owned the slaves, he sued the white guy who
Speaker 1: told his slave that he could leave, and the black
Speaker 1: guy won the lawsuits. I don't have the guy's name
Speaker 1: in front of me, and since that time he dr
Speaker 1: Anderson was telling the story. He said, so at that point,
Speaker 1: white folks said, Okay, now we know we can actually
Speaker 1: enslave people from the time they're born to the time
Speaker 1: they die. We don't have to let them go. So
Speaker 1: it was a black man, believe it or not, that
Speaker 1: started that whole trend of enslaving people for life. Like
Speaker 1: that's the type of stuff that Dr Anderson knows and
Speaker 1: teachers that that they never really explained to you. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean so you're not so now, you know, just
Speaker 1: like when they found out that there were black people
Speaker 1: that was involved in the slave trade in Africa, you're
Speaker 1: giving them another excuse to say even the pole. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not an excuse because the primary beneficiaries of slavery
Speaker 1: have been white. That the wealth in America, the number
Speaker 1: one factor that tells you who benefited from slavery is
Speaker 1: the fucking wealth. You gotta follow the money. They'll talk
Speaker 1: about they'll talk about everything on the table except for
Speaker 1: the money to tell you black lives matter. Yeah, they's
Speaker 1: a black lives matter. We got a new bill we're
Speaker 1: passing through for civil rights. I don't give it. I
Speaker 1: don't pay attention to none of that. I pay attention
Speaker 1: to the wealth. When you talk about the money, that's
Speaker 1: when I know you're serious, because they'll give you symbolism,
Speaker 1: but they won't share the wealth. And basically, the vast,
Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of the wealth is in the hands of
Speaker 1: people who are not black because they stole that from us. So,
Speaker 1: so don't get me wrong, I mean, it's it's just
Speaker 1: a factual piece of information. It fits in what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. You talk about you know, you said you're
Speaker 1: at the wedding you're talking about you use a coon hunter, right, Well,
Speaker 1: you know he was one of the original coons, right,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's crazy. Most black people wouldn't do
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But I think to understand the
Speaker 1: system itself, we know who the beneficiaries were, we know
Speaker 1: who lost the most. You can trace all of this.
Speaker 1: They don't even have to study this. They like, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we might do a study this, and that's nothing but
Speaker 1: the delay tactic that they use in politics all the time.
Speaker 1: That's why I have no faith in the politicians, because
Speaker 1: they'll they'll. What they do is two ways they keep
Speaker 1: the they avoid doing things for blacks. One is they
Speaker 1: create lots of ambiguity, like they're saying, well, we didn't
Speaker 1: do anything for black people because we didn't know what
Speaker 1: they wanted. Well, when black people showed up, when serious
Speaker 1: fucking people show up and say we have a list,
Speaker 1: they don't meet with those people. Ice Cube had the
Speaker 1: contract with Black America. He consulted with scholar, He talked
Speaker 1: to Dr Claude Anderson. He talked to me, he talked
Speaker 1: to the brothers and teaching Ohio State, like these were
Speaker 1: scholars that put this ship together. Biden was like, what,
Speaker 1: we might meet with you after the election. But but
Speaker 1: Cube was smart enough to say, no, after the election
Speaker 1: is over, we have no leverage. And guess what. So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's so it's the ambiguity. It's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we just don't know what black people want. Well, it's
Speaker 1: because you're not listening to the people that are that
Speaker 1: have specifics that they want. Second thing is they use delay,
Speaker 1: like with the whole thing, like we'll talk to you
Speaker 1: after the action. Who false of that? That's stupid, you know,
Speaker 1: that's like a baby, I'll I'll take you out after
Speaker 1: after you give me the pussy, Like, no, you she
Speaker 1: has no leverage at that point and she knows that.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's stupid. Right. So basically they play
Speaker 1: us like suckers every time. Man. And that's why I'm
Speaker 1: really frustrated with the politician. Man. Listen, if why are
Speaker 1: they trying to take that part of our history away
Speaker 1: from us? Well, because we shouldn't be letting other people
Speaker 1: educate our kids anyway. And I know, you know, what
Speaker 1: I'm asking is like, what what's the thing called man that? No?
Speaker 1: Man's something that's going on right now in government? Um?
Speaker 1: Were they're putting it to where they can't even teach
Speaker 1: it and if they can't even put it in the
Speaker 1: textbooks no more? Um? What is that call, y'all? Ship?
Speaker 1: I thought I think it was critical race there as
Speaker 1: you talk about they passing laws and stop it getting taught. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why why would they do that? Um? Because because the
Speaker 1: story gets told by the person who won the fight,
Speaker 1: you know, that's it. History gets told by the victors.
Speaker 1: You know, like even the way they talk about World
Speaker 1: War Two where you can't even you can't even talk
Speaker 1: about Hitler and the Nazis that you know, on any
Speaker 1: level because they just decided, we don't want you to
Speaker 1: learn anything about any of this. So we we we
Speaker 1: we have there's no room to justify anything that differs
Speaker 1: from our point of view. So so what we have
Speaker 1: to do is control our history. Man. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think think about this, right, you have hundreds of thousands,
Speaker 1: if not over a million followers. I got hundreds of thousands,
Speaker 1: you got I'm sure massive following online. Add up all
Speaker 1: the black folks that they really care about black people.
Speaker 1: We can teach our own people. We do not need
Speaker 1: no body else to do this, right, So, so I
Speaker 1: think that what we do is taking upon ourselves to
Speaker 1: just kind of say, hey, look here, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: some facts and information that we are going to make
Speaker 1: sure our people get, you know. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what we do as black men, as the guardians of
Speaker 1: our community. Like, no, we don't need to We we
Speaker 1: got this. You see what I mean? How do I
Speaker 1: want to know? How? Like if we're not teaching um
Speaker 1: about black people in school, which we're not, UM, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how we can get that word out. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember I'm saying, I'm telling you that,
Speaker 1: you know, the rappers were the original listening to rapper
Speaker 1: listening to our rappers doct this. This is one way
Speaker 1: to do it too. This is another way to do
Speaker 1: it with this podcast, information and instructions. You know, it's
Speaker 1: two things that the truth to do for you. It'll
Speaker 1: draw you to it run you away from it, so
Speaker 1: we'll see. Yeah, I think I think I think it
Speaker 1: will draw people to us to it. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really think, like you talked about with this podcast.
Speaker 1: That's one example you got. You have millions of listeners.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that collectively we can have more
Speaker 1: influence over our people in the school system. Can anyway
Speaker 1: I think about this, What what the kids know more
Speaker 1: when they go to school? They know more about the
Speaker 1: stuff they learned in school? Or do they know more
Speaker 1: about the lyrics of their favorite artists? You know, I
Speaker 1: can recite Ghetto Boys lyrics going back twenty years from
Speaker 1: all the songs I love you know, all my favorite
Speaker 1: artists I I I that was on repeat. That was
Speaker 1: when something is repeated in your brain. That's hitting your
Speaker 1: self conscious mind, like that's going that's becoming a part
Speaker 1: of who you are. That's my music is more powerful
Speaker 1: than me just saying something one time. Like if I'm
Speaker 1: constantly repeating a lyric or whatever, you know, then that's
Speaker 1: that's deep. Or if I'm hearing your podcast every day,
Speaker 1: I'm watching Willie d Live every single day, well that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a part of me. Like people meet you
Speaker 1: and they're like, I feel like I know you. You You
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. I go through that right,
Speaker 1: So I personally believe that again, this is as men,
Speaker 1: like we just gotta at least fight and it might
Speaker 1: not win, but we gotta fight, right, we just say,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna make sure this information gets
Speaker 1: out there. You know, I read, I'll open up I'll
Speaker 1: open up Powonomics and I would be like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: read from page to fifty five and dont and I'll
Speaker 1: read it and I'll give people some facts that they
Speaker 1: never heard. A hundred thousand people watch that video that
Speaker 1: that may not be everything, but that's something, you see
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like, we don't need gatekeepers anymore.
Speaker 1: That we don't, but it's not up to them to
Speaker 1: dictate what's being talked to our children. Bro. Like that,
Speaker 1: to me, that's wrong, it's wrong. Man. Like you you
Speaker 1: you you constantly put obstacles in place for us to
Speaker 1: trip over the hurdle. You know, you're constantly putting ship
Speaker 1: in place to make us You know, you you'll put
Speaker 1: the water this you want some water for him? And
Speaker 1: then when I reached for the water, you move it
Speaker 1: out the way. But you got but we got. But
Speaker 1: since we know we know the history, then we know
Speaker 1: they're gonna move the water. So what we what do
Speaker 1: we do snatch it before they move it. In fact,
Speaker 1: go and take it out of their hands and then
Speaker 1: take over the goddamn water plant. You did what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that they're not distributing. They're not They're not distributing
Speaker 1: the water boys. You are a financial expert. Uh. You
Speaker 1: you have helped a lot of people, uh become uh
Speaker 1: finally fiscally responsible. Uh. And you have a lot of
Speaker 1: people make money, you know, with your with your platform
Speaker 1: on on on YouTube and on your website, which is
Speaker 1: by the way, what's the name of your website? People
Speaker 1: go to dr Boys tv dot com doctor and and
Speaker 1: and and the YouTube channel is your world dr Boys
Speaker 1: tv dot com. All right, okay, So what I want
Speaker 1: to know is this, like for people like oftentimes people
Speaker 1: think that you need a lot of money to become
Speaker 1: eventually become financial financially stable, right. Uh. First and foremost,
Speaker 1: I see what you teach is being becoming physically responsible,
Speaker 1: because before you can really become financially stable, you have
Speaker 1: to become fiscally responsible. Right. And so so how do
Speaker 1: you get somebody who might be living on minimum wage
Speaker 1: to buy into that that concept of I don't need
Speaker 1: a whole lot of money, I just gotta be responsible
Speaker 1: with the money that I make right now, and and
Speaker 1: and and find an avenue to make that grow. How
Speaker 1: do you get that person from that stage to becoming uh,
Speaker 1: financially stable and then get to a point to where
Speaker 1: that that they're thriving and they can eventually build generational wealth. Well,
Speaker 1: the first thing I would say is that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: none of us is born poor, meaning that everybody was
Speaker 1: born with wealth. And the reason that you might not
Speaker 1: think you had a new wealth like I was. You know,
Speaker 1: my mother's sixteen when she got pregnant with me and
Speaker 1: we didn't have shipped money was but uh, you have
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are valuable. You know. That's
Speaker 1: why you know, when you get older, people hire you
Speaker 1: to come work. You know, your labor is valuable, your
Speaker 1: your ideas are valuable. You know, hip hop was a
Speaker 1: multibillion dollar idea that came from us, our athletes. We've
Speaker 1: got so many things in our communities that that are
Speaker 1: worth so much wealth, and we may not we may
Speaker 1: look past that. If you can't identify a lot of
Speaker 1: people when they're looking for wealth, they're looking for the
Speaker 1: money in the room. But there's like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of money in this room, even no matter how much
Speaker 1: money we have in our pockets, like our our brands
Speaker 1: are worth money, you know, all of that. Right, So
Speaker 1: I think being able to identify the money. Think about
Speaker 1: like hunting, you know, if I'm a hunter or trying
Speaker 1: to survive in the wilderness. Uh, some people go in
Speaker 1: the wilderness and starve to death, you know, because they
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. But a hunter, somebody who
Speaker 1: knows how to survive in the wild, they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of food, there's berries, there's there's animals, and
Speaker 1: you know, like they can see all of that. Right,
Speaker 1: So the ability to just see it is that first
Speaker 1: step to being able to say, Okay, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: when the money is that right. So I personally think,
Speaker 1: for example, that every child in our community at some
Speaker 1: point should go through some kind of training program to
Speaker 1: just learn the different ways people make money. Right, Like
Speaker 1: like like if I'm trying to be a great basketball
Speaker 1: player and I never go to the basketball court and
Speaker 1: I've never seen a basketball, how do I can't even school?
Speaker 1: I can't s going no points, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: so we have to sort of look at it, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if somebody is having to struggle and figuring
Speaker 1: out like what the next move should be. The question
Speaker 1: that we want to ask ourselves is how much time
Speaker 1: have we spent really study and even where the money
Speaker 1: is at? You know. It's so for example, and I
Speaker 1: grew up and we talked about making money, first thing
Speaker 1: I heard was get a job. You want to make money,
Speaker 1: get a job. It was until I got older that
Speaker 1: I learned that the people to make the real money
Speaker 1: don't even work. You know, they don't even work for
Speaker 1: the money, right yeah, yeah, So again I started off,
Speaker 1: what do they do for the money? Because I got
Speaker 1: tell what they do boys where I can see it.
Speaker 1: You ain't gotta work for the money. Well yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta have a plan, right, So so here I'll tell
Speaker 1: you a couple of key key things. Number One, when
Speaker 1: they study, like like who has the most money in
Speaker 1: this country and stuff like that, they find that and
Speaker 1: just investing consistently in the stock market, even small amounts
Speaker 1: of money is the big difference, man, because that's the
Speaker 1: divide between the rich and the poor. Uh. And I'm
Speaker 1: talking about somebody like I put it put together, so
Speaker 1: I did some math on it. With five dollars a day, right,
Speaker 1: less less money than you can you you can't even
Speaker 1: buy popfeas checking value meal for five dollars a day.
Speaker 1: But with five dollars a day, if somebody invested that
Speaker 1: consistently without I mean, I'm talking about no knowledge of stocks.
Speaker 1: They did this experiment. They did it with monkeys, and
Speaker 1: it worked with monkeys. So monkeys don't know ship, right
Speaker 1: they so literally a person investing five dollars a day
Speaker 1: with no experience, if they even if they're randomly picking
Speaker 1: different stocks and just leave the money, don't mess with it,
Speaker 1: don't touch it. By ten years, it grows into about
Speaker 1: an average about twenty nine thousand dollars, and twenty years
Speaker 1: it grows to about a hundred thousand dollars. Thirty years
Speaker 1: it grows to a quarter million dollars. Forty years, you've
Speaker 1: got three quarters a million dollars. That's one generation, So
Speaker 1: you can go from one in one generation. Again, five
Speaker 1: dollars a day, but it could be two dollars, they
Speaker 1: could be ten dollars a day. Right, the numbers might change,
Speaker 1: but but but the idea is the same. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: that consistent investment, that automatic kind of activity that builds
Speaker 1: that wealth because you already do this. We everybody already
Speaker 1: does exactly what I just described, except you do it
Speaker 1: in the reverse direction. You do it in a way
Speaker 1: where it's making somebody else rich and not you. Like,
Speaker 1: for example, most of the people want yeah, man, most
Speaker 1: of the people watching right now have probably paid rent
Speaker 1: to somebody. Right. So so if you're paying rent, let's
Speaker 1: say you're paying you know, seven eight hundred dollars a month, right,
Speaker 1: which is pretty low in Chicago. You can get ship
Speaker 1: for the eight hundred dollars a month. Let's say it's
Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars a month, and you're doing that consistently,
Speaker 1: like every month for your landlord. And we do that
Speaker 1: because we gotta have a place to live. Or your
Speaker 1: landlord if he's taking that money and he's let's say
Speaker 1: he's flipping that money, putting it into the stop market
Speaker 1: on real estate. By the time you've done that about
Speaker 1: maybe thirty years, you've made your landlord a millionaire. They
Speaker 1: will make over, like I gotta show you the math
Speaker 1: where they will have over a million dollars that they
Speaker 1: can leave their kids because you paid your rent on
Speaker 1: time every month. So that's why it's important at some
Speaker 1: point all of us, especially they grew up without a
Speaker 1: lot of money to find a place where you jump
Speaker 1: the fence. Right, Capitalism is powerful and it's also devastating
Speaker 1: if it's used in the wrong way. Right, You do
Speaker 1: not want to be a victim of capitalism if it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, you want to be a beneficiary. So think
Speaker 1: of it like a horse and jockey situation. Right, you're
Speaker 1: looking at watch the Kentucky Derby. The horses do all
Speaker 1: the work, The horses do all the running. The jockey
Speaker 1: gets all the credit, The jockey gets all the money. Right. Well, well,
Speaker 1: capitalism is like that. You got the horses, you got
Speaker 1: the jockeys. So you think about real estate, which is
Speaker 1: another area where people make a lot of money. Well,
Speaker 1: who are the horses? Who are the jockeys? The horses
Speaker 1: are the renters. The renters are paying the bills, right,
Speaker 1: the jockeys are the landlords. Like I gotta I bought
Speaker 1: a condo with my girl not too long ago. The
Speaker 1: mortgages like eight hundred a month. The tenant pays US
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred a month. And I said, this is insane.
Speaker 1: This person is buying this house for us right now
Speaker 1: In Chicago. Yeah, and we got other we got other property. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for those type of returns Mann. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you do the same thing in
Speaker 1: Houston too, though maybe maybe it's not seventeen, but it
Speaker 1: will be some amount where the tenants rent will exceed
Speaker 1: the amount of your mortgage, and if they pay the
Speaker 1: rent consistently, then they really have bought that house for you.
Speaker 1: You get the house. Where's another horse and jockey? Another example? Uh,
Speaker 1: you look at when when most of us are trained.
Speaker 1: This is where white supremacy gets us. A lot of
Speaker 1: us are trained early to go work for other people,
Speaker 1: and that we're working for other people in other communities. Right,
Speaker 1: So the horse is the employee. The employees putting in
Speaker 1: the work. You're sacrificing thousands of hours of your life.
Speaker 1: You spend more time with your bossing on your job
Speaker 1: than you spend with your own damn kids. Right, we
Speaker 1: were trained to think that way. This is not supposed
Speaker 1: to be like that. They trained us specifically to do that.
Speaker 1: When you go to college. For the only thing they
Speaker 1: teach you in college a lot of times it's how
Speaker 1: to go work for somebody. That's why universities exist. That's
Speaker 1: why HBCUs exists to create better employees. Right. Well, well,
Speaker 1: well the horse, you are the horse. When you the
Speaker 1: employ you die at your desk because you grind it
Speaker 1: so hard. In this corporation, the jockey is the shareholders.
Speaker 1: The jockeys are the people that own the company. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, like I owned stock in a lot of companies. Man,
Speaker 1: I make money just because people go to work every
Speaker 1: day and then the stock price goes up and I
Speaker 1: make money from that. Right, so, so, so you want
Speaker 1: to be the jock the horse, not the jockey. You
Speaker 1: made the jockey, not the horse. The third area would be, um,
Speaker 1: let me see it's stocks, real estate. Well sorry, when
Speaker 1: you're talking, okay, stocks, real estate, and owning the business
Speaker 1: are goo. Those are the three areas. So basically the
Speaker 1: third ones. And let me make sure throw this out
Speaker 1: there too. When you go buy stuff, right, black people
Speaker 1: are extraordinary consumers, Like we love to buy things. Like
Speaker 1: when they write research reports on how to get money
Speaker 1: out of blacks, they talk about black people will buy stuff,
Speaker 1: especially for celebrity endorses and if celebrity says by it,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go buy it. This is what they write
Speaker 1: in their reports and the corporations. Right. So we love
Speaker 1: to buy stuff. We always fly the shoes, the new iPhone, whatever. Right.
Speaker 1: So the horse is the consumer who's buying things. The
Speaker 1: jockey is the producer who makes the product. Right. So
Speaker 1: in this system, it's okay to be a consumer. It's
Speaker 1: okay to sometimes be a renter, it's okay to sometimes
Speaker 1: be an employee. But you don't want to do that
Speaker 1: your whole life because you spend your whole life doing
Speaker 1: all the work and getting none of the benefit. All
Speaker 1: that money is trickling up, you know. So you want
Speaker 1: to train your kids like, look, I want you like,
Speaker 1: we have a thing we tell our kids, and we
Speaker 1: have a kids program in the Black Business School, and
Speaker 1: we tell them to keep your poise and poises p
Speaker 1: o I s E and stands for what we want
Speaker 1: them to be. You want to be a producer, you
Speaker 1: want to be an owner, you want to be an investor,
Speaker 1: you want to be a saver, and you want to
Speaker 1: be an entrepreneur. If you do those things, if you
Speaker 1: teach those things, like you look at all the kids
Speaker 1: in the hood that the hustle and have all the
Speaker 1: skill and can do all these other things. Um, if
Speaker 1: We just, for example, created entrepreneurship centers for young black
Speaker 1: males in every city across America. That would increase black
Speaker 1: wealth by a couple of trillion dollars. Because I know
Speaker 1: most brothers don't enjoy working for other people. They just
Speaker 1: would never taught any other option. Yeah, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we can go all day, man, but that's our time. Man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming on, man, and you got so
Speaker 1: much to you got so much more to offer, Man,
Speaker 1: so much I would I would love to. I would
Speaker 1: love to sit down again and pick your brain real
Speaker 1: soon on on this show, man, because Dr Watkins is
Speaker 1: the troop. Mind. Y'all don't understand. I appreciate you, man,
Speaker 1: and congratulations again on on on the on the on
Speaker 1: the wedding, you know, the marriage, the beautiful bride, y'all
Speaker 1: look good man. In the food, damn that food was
Speaker 1: good man. You know, I tried to get another plate. Man.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't give me another It wouldn't give you another plate. Man.
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, yeah, we we got a brother
Speaker 1: brother came down from Dallas and made the food. Man.
Speaker 1: We tried to get all black everything for like who
Speaker 1: were hiring on man? That food man. That look, man,
Speaker 1: I've been to a few ways and that food was
Speaker 1: actually that that was some good food. Man. Crab cakes, Man,
Speaker 1: crab cakes and filate me young damn it man. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: we had some soul food for the rehearsal dinner. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: handsome man. We had, Man, we had rehearsal dinner. Man.
Speaker 1: We had uh what was it? Uh, let's see, um,
Speaker 1: macaroni and cheese. It was. It was some chicken. It
Speaker 1: was some uh salmon, I can't remember. It wasn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't salmon. It was it was cash fish, some collared greens. Uh,
Speaker 1: what's you know? And then you know, some peach coplin,
Speaker 1: some sweet. It was on point. And in the beach
Speaker 1: house is big old, three story beautiful beach house. Man.
Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah, they did it up. They did it
Speaker 1: in the style. Man. Everything was spraying. Then they had
Speaker 1: this chick name Victory Man that was singing. Yeah, Victory
Speaker 1: Boy was Victory's last boy boy. Yeah, Victory Man. And
Speaker 1: she she lives in our New Jersey. But she cold
Speaker 1: blooded man, man. Yeah, yeah, she she's blowing up to man.
Speaker 1: She's signed with rock Nation, killing me. You know, I
Speaker 1: think actually she I think on Kanye's last album. She
Speaker 1: wrote three songs. You know, so she's like every time
Speaker 1: people see her for the first time, it's like that man,
Speaker 1: that that voice smooth like self. Man. Yeah, man, Well
Speaker 1: if I if I met you before, I would have
Speaker 1: invited you. Brother. No, trust me, I'm not moving around
Speaker 1: right now anyway. But I congratulate you on your marriage
Speaker 1: and thank you. You know, many many years of love,
Speaker 1: wealth and health. Enough time to spend that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, enough time to enjoy it. Thanks for
Speaker 1: coming to the show you. Thank you really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And and thanks for your wisdom and your knowledge you know,
Speaker 1: uh with with with all that you speak to us, man,
Speaker 1: we really appreciate that. And um, thank you. I'm sure
Speaker 1: our community, our community could really use some of those words, man,
Speaker 1: because right now it's just a whole lot of fucking
Speaker 1: mumble ship going on and we need sound decision makers
Speaker 1: and sound speakers to address our community now because we
Speaker 1: don't have any. So we appreciate you again, Thanks so much,
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