WEBVTT - Dr. Boyce Watkins Episode 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.800 Yet get up, gett boys, it's back and reoaded all 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:06.680 in your mind. Yeah, and a deep throating. This is 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.720 for the streets, the reel, the railroaded, the disenfranchise, the truth, 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.760 the scapegoating. And they ain't know when we speak the truth, 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.279 so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.439 South East coach is g be my treat keeping your 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.400 head bobbing. It ain't no stopping and wants to be 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.000 trying by. And then the system is so corrupt they 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.080 threw the rock out their heads and then blame it 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:32.400 on us. Don't get twisted on code and me and 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:42.720 danced for no furtament, biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.760 facing the building. Collectively. We are to get old boys. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.640 You tune in to get old boys reloaded in the 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:54.560 building with us right now, then, conquerable doctor boys Watkins, 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.280 what's going on? Brother, hey man? Well the the doc 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.440 in the house man? First of all, Man, I cannot 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:06.640 go any further without first saluting you, congratulating you for 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:17.440 your marriage to Alicia Watkins. Yea, Alicia Watkins. Both of 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.920 y'all got PhD s. Man. That don't happen a lot, right, No? 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.640 I think one percent of the population got a PhD. 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.200 I want to thank you for coming on the on 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.720 the cast. I'm glad to be here. Man. Man, that's honor. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.480 I mean, you know, come on, you know, I grew 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.800 up with y'all. Man, you know, like you know, it's 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.280 like you'll understand, you know when I talk to y'all 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.160 or Ice Cube or anybody, and you never stopped being 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.720 a fan, you know what I mean. And so it's 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.360 like I remember every year when your stuff would come out, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.640 like I would go buy it like it was an appointment, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.600 you know what I mean. And so to that, yeah, man, 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.720 So I wouldn't never put you on Get Boys. Yeah, 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.040 what's what's the first song? What was the first one 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.760 that captured your attention? Um? The songs that come to 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:10.359 mind first is like die motherfucker, Man, I would put 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.480 you on. I got a bad read on you, doc, 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.320 I put you, I put you and miss the Officer, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:22.120 I put you on. No cell out And then you like, man, 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.760 I'm a black man. Sometime you gotta go dark man, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:29.320 you know, man, this man is a genius man, a 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:36.799 borderline UH scientists with with you know, African American studies. Man. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.520 You know what I mean, like this man is this 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:44.000 man is a is brilliant. Yeah man, But you know 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.760 it's like war is everywhere for the black man. You 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.679 know it is a war yeah man, So like that 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.600 music reflected the warrior spirit that I had, Like like yea, 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.440 you probably know with guests like who I was actually 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.320 my my favorite of all time. Try to guess who 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:04.040 thinks my face favorite artists of all time? Spice One 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:09.600 span to Chico yesterday. Yeah, tell tell him that is 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:14.280 my cousin, real cousin. Spice One is one of the 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.720 most powerful poets of all time, and when he would 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.639 make songs about his struggle, like I felt that man. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.440 You know, I had a slightly different life, but ship. 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.760 I mean, I was a black man first and then 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.680 I did the other things, you know, So the energy 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.399 and his music, like I grew up with him where 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.320 literally every album he came out, when he would say 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.520 his age on the album, and I was always the 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.160 same age. So Spice One man, I connected to the connect. 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.600 Yeah yeah, I mean back when I met my wife, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.120 you know, I met me and Alicia with friends for 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.080 a long time and then you know, after her she 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:57.240 was right, I was twenty two bro, hey, I was ready. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.360 You know what. She was a sophomore in college and 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.839 I was my your grad school. Man, I saw her 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.280 across like you know what they say, I saw you 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.880 across the crowded room. I literally saw across the crowded room. Man. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.000 And that night in my journal, I wrote, today I 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.839 met the most beautiful woman in the world. How long 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:18.359 is this? Uh? This was I saw. I saw the 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.760 video of him and Alicia in his dorm room and 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.240 Alicia came in. Man, It's something to see y'all at 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.640 such a young age, and how you guys were communicating 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.080 with each other and you guys were friends first. That's 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.000 that's a beautiful story, man. That's what they call what 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:40.040 they call it an American love story. Yeah, yeah, American 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.719 and yeah, and then you also have um those stories 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:49.240 that ends up like Marvin Gaye story. Yeah you know 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:57.120 what he had to give an album anna talk about. Yeah, Well, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.720 you know that happens, man, Man, that ship happens, bro, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.400 it does, and you know, and that was the thing 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.320 like I used to get not not to try to 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.280 put that curse on you, bro, I know that ain't 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.080 gonna happen. You wet when you waste your way smarter 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:14.040 than that, man, You know what, love out smarts everybody, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.720 Like I don't think you can now smart love and 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.520 God and mother nature. Man. I feel like like I 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.320 literally I used to get a lot of ship because 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.440 I didn't get married like in my thirties. And the 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.599 thing was, um, I just always joke and say, you know, 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.159 I just get my first divorce because almost all my 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.839 friends that got married the twenties and thirties it didn't 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.560 work out because that ship is you're not ready when 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.000 you're twenty in your thirty years old? I could, I could, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.120 I can? I can, I can? I could vouch for 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.240 that as you can't. You're not ready, you know what 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.400 I mean? Like like I didn't get my best piece 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.640 of asshaul. I was thirty six, thirty seven years old. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.800 So for me to say that I was in love 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.080 at twenty two or or or you know, twenty six 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:59.880 years old, are you saying the quality of the assay? Man? 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.839 It's way different when when you when you farty thirty six, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:10.040 when you're one. It's a difference. How is the explained 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.839 that to me? Because man, I'm not going to go 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.360 into I need I need to understand with a doctor. Man, 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.599 I don't want to be boggar, but you gotta worry 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.960 about me. But but I want, I want to understand 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.920 how is good sex? Uh? How does good sex prepare 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:31.680 you for us? Commitment? Well, here's the thing, Willie, and 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.719 this is important for you to know, like itter commitment. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.800 Excuse me. If that good, I ain't going home. I'm 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:43.160 not coming back. It's gotta be. It's gotta be. You know. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.720 That's not gonna keep me in the house. Man. If 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.359 the conversation ain't stimulating, it's not gonna keep me in 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.760 the house. If the food ain't good, it's not gonna 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.320 keep me in the house. Love don't love. Don't love nobody, bro, 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:59.480 I don't even fun what nobody say. Here's I'm not 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.840 the one on I'm not I'm not the one being interviewed. Man, 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:03.880 I'm off of it. No, I don't think that's why 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.600 we don't get along. But he no, No, here's the thing, though, 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.720 I don't think that. I think I think that you know, 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.320 whether somebody cheated or not had may have something to 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.120 do with their spouse, but it ultimately has more to 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.040 do with you and what type of pera with that. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.400 But I shouldn't have been married in the first place. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.560 At twenty you shouldn't have been married in the first place. 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.520 Two years old, yeah, you should not have not experience 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.320 of life yet. Let me experience some ship and then 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:38.640 lock myself down. Now it works better now at fifty, 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:43.520 then it then it then it do it at at well, absolutely, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:45.960 because because I think you could do it in thirty 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.960 or thirty five, but I think you need guidance. I 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:54.080 think it's yeah, yeah, like like people. I used to 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.600 think relationships or something where you just figure it out 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.520 as you go along and you hope for the best. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:00.640 But when I find is it's real hard to get 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.240 along with another person. Damn man, you know, like so 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.600 so seriously man, like you know with my wife. Now, 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:08.880 this is wisdom I had later that I didn't have 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:13.520 when I was younger. We got a marriage counselor before 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.320 we ever had any problems. We did it for preventative reasons, 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.000 just to learn how to communicate with each other, you 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.000 know what I mean, Just to learn how to not 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.800 you know, not let arguments get out of control. And 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.040 what I learned is that it's not about whether you're 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.320 gonna have conflicts like you're gonna have disagreements. You're gonna 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.560 have disputes. The question is how do you resolve that. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.920 You know, if you can resolve it, then then you 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.319 But a lot of people came, they escalate it. It's 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.360 like you know, you you pull out a knife, I 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.200 pull out a gun. Next thing, you know, everything's falling apart. 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.720 And you and that that conflict resolution. Knowing how to 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.080 do that and then knowing how to deal with pick 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.920 people that that also want to do that. That makes 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.480 a big difference. Like me and you're friends, because if 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.559 we had a disagreement or a difference, you would call 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.600 me and you say, hey, man, I didn't I felt 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.520 some kind of way when this happened, And then I 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.160 would listen. You know, it wouldn't be like, man, well 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.240 if you man get to get up right and you 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:09.200 see what I mean, that's that's important. And will he'll 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.800 he'll make that story up and tell you that he's 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:16.600 a masterful conflict resolute tour and that is a fucking lot. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:22.000 But go ahead. You know, this guy can be very 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.400 disrespectful at times. Man, I'm surprised he lived this long. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:33.400 But but anyway, man, but but anyway, you know, but 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.840 what is what is a relationship rooted in first and 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.920 farmost respect? Right? And I think that that's how that's 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.400 the reason why, Like, think about the friends that you have, 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.920 all of the long term friends that you have, Hey 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.760 relationships as your partner relationship, of your girlfriend relationship, any relationships, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.560 any relationship you have. I'm talking about good relationships. So 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.000 do you do you have any long term relationships that's 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:05.760 route that's not rooted in respect? I don't. I don't think. 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:10.200 Go ahead, I don't think. I mean somebody don't respect you. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.040 I mean, okay, let me put like this. So you 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.880 got a chick that you don't really like, Willie, I'm 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.240 not with her. I mean you don't have to be 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.000 with her. You still smash every now and then? Uh yeah, 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.040 go ahead, No, no, not that mean when I was younger, Yeah, 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.240 when I was and then I agree with you. I 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.320 want you on that. That's probably one of the few 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.480 things we agree. You know, we'll go ahead. We all 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.880 still agree that you're an asshole. I mean we agree. Yeah, 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:43.880 come on, this guy, this guy is at times impossible. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:48.800 Man is bullshit? This guy? Man? You know? Anyway, anyway, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.800 how is the ride you know from Houston. It was 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.920 it was rainy, and I had to drop the kids 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.480 off at the airport. Uh you know, they we got 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.000 the eighteen in the fourteen year old and a ten 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.240 year old. So the eighteen Fortunyo wanted to fly home. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:02.920 So I had to drive all the way up to 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.560 the Bush Airport because I sunked up the reservation and 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.240 I thought, I thought I booke him at Hobby. I 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.880 booked him at Bush. So but you know, but I 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.319 was looking forward to coming down here and uh hang 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.880 out with appreciate it, man, yeah, man, I appreciate that. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.959 Bro all my man. Actually, actually, you don't be telling 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.880 my score story. I got my star face story. You 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.959 want to hear it. Let me tell me. Let's tell think. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.360 I think you'll like it. I think no, no, no, no, 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.720 no no, states you you'll appreciate I think you'll appreciate this. Okay. 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:35.439 So it was, and I moved to New York. First 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.400 week I moved to New York, it was to go 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.679 to grad school. Somebody stole my car. Ship Yeah, they 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.040 stole my car the first week right now, I thought 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.280 it was gone, but so I called the police. I'm like, hey, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.520 somebody stole my car. They're like, well, what does it 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.400 look like? And I'm you know, I'm telling them all 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.199 this if I'm thinking that that's just a report. I 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.679 didn't think they the thing was in that area. They 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.240 had a lot of like kids that was steal your 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.640 car and driving around for a while and then leaving somewhere. 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.520 So they found car. So I get my chip back, right, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.960 so I get my car. They all did the whatever 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.920 with the screw driver. You don't talk about hot wired 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.920 and all that, you know, toward the toward. Yeah, Like, 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.440 I drove my car like that forever because I didn't 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:15.880 have no money. I don't have the money to fix it. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:20.000 And the only thing they left in the car was 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.400 your tape, the scar face tape, the one I wasn't 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:27.480 called my homies. Yeah, and so I was like, well, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.520 I gotta be optimistic. So Lacy's dudes left me some music. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.679 So yeah, So I played that tape and I listened 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.400 to that awesome along to the point where I have 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.080 the lyrics, memorize all of that, and I always told 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:42.520 that story, and I would say that was the best 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.600 thing that came out of that was I got some 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.560 good music out of it. Well, you can look at 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.920 that two ways. Uh yeah, like I just didn't want 0:12:49.960 --> 0:13:01.400 to hear my music. They left it in there as 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:06.840 a consolation to you, like can you turn the gate 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.400 up harder on We're gonna leave you some jamin as music. Man, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.400 I'm sorry for seting your car, bro. But it was 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.440 in it was in the it was in the tape deck. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.559 So they was listening to it. And as they stole 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.280 my car, they forgot so that they might have forgotten. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.760 They might have forgotten, might have turned that ship down 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.720 though they might help. But I think I think that 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.959 that was a good a good album. And uh and 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.440 that was that was a real introduction to like, like 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.560 I knew about so many other work I had not 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:35.599 both that album, you know, but but that but that 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.480 was something I actually I still listened to it, man, 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.560 And you know, I don't even listen to none of 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.760 my old music what not. I don't know. I just 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.360 don't feel like it's my best work. Really explain it. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.480 I just don't think it's I don't think it's to 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.439 my best ship. Like I always think that I can 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.520 do it way better. You know. I always listened to 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.880 my music and I hear something that I should have 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:02.520 did better off. I should have put that down. And 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:08.280 I ride. I ride with my um uh demos. I'll 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.760 ride with him two or three weeks before I actually 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.120 record them. And you know, I want to make sure 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.120 that everything is perfect. Man, I still miss ship. You're 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.720 still you're still making music. I'm done, You're done because 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.040 we're talked about that yesterday or two days. Really, I'm 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.920 I'm man. I got a studio in my house, man family, 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.680 mark my words right now. I'm saying it right here. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:35.080 Second episode, Get Old Boys Reloaded. Scarface a k a. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:44.440 Brad Jordan is not done recording music, not just with him. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.960 To intro this podcast, I hope you're not done because 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:52.480 I'm done making music though you really done for sure? Okay, Well, 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.240 well when it comes out, I look forward to hearing it. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.120 I feel like I feel like you guys get better 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.440 as you get older, but as you mentioned, your time 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.600 become short and you find the other ways to make money. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:06.120 It's not really about the money for me. Um you 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.280 ever you ever heard of that the no country for 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.240 old men? And that's how I feel when it comes 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:16.680 to music, because you go. Okay, so remember in the 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.120 beginning you said, I peg you as a jazz man. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.280 Let's talk about jazz. Jazz used to be for teenagers. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.400 It was you know, when it first came out, was young. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.480 It was for teenagers. But as the artists got older, 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.640 the genre got older. You know, when I grew up, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.640 jazz was associated with older people because all the young 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.200 teenage artists became older artists and they got better as time. 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.040 When all the jazz got better, the music. So I think, 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.880 and I think, I think the young artists, I feel 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.040 like they need, they really need guidance because they don't 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.240 even know how to write lyrics anymore. It might be 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:55.720 my fault and Willie's fault, and Cuban dre and and 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.640 and the people that came before this generation of artists 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.680 fault because we're not making music anymore. We're not leaving 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:08.320 a blueprint behind for them to go on. So I 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.480 could possibly, I could possibly take partial blame for that. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.480 And there's really nothing named for you, you know, man, Damn, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.960 that's some good. I never thought about that, bro. Man. 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.920 They need they need the black community needs in general. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:27.600 Black men guidance, they need mentorship. They're looking for that, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.480 you know. So that's why I get disappointed. Remember when Um, 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.560 I was talking to my teenage son about this today. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.200 I remember when Iced Tea was beefing with a soldier boy, 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.600 remember that, Like, I was very disappointed in that because 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.520 you know, if you're here, you know, the young guys 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.600 usually come up like I honor you, I admire you, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.800 I want to be just like you, and so they 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.400 don't see you as their peers. They see you as 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.440 as as a mentor, you know, and so when they 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.920 get out of line. Um, you could approach it as man, 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.280 that's that's that's terrible, that's that's garbage. Or actually you 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.880 should approach it in a more instructive capacity, you know, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.160 like our eighteen year old he pisses me off every day, 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:06.880 the ship that he does. I'm like, come on, man, 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.399 what are you doing? You know? And then I have 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.359 to call myself and remember, like how I how I 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.680 approach that is very important. I have to approach it 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.720 as a teacher. Right. So what's happening, I think in 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.480 our whole community at large, not just in music, is 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.359 that we lost those males that were the mentors. Like 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.560 in Chicago, even the you know a lot of the 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.320 gang leaders were at least they had order and structure 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.560 and a hierarchy. They did, and then when they send 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.440 them all to prison, they lost that. Now you've got 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.639 kids with everywhere. Yeah, just all kinds of chaos, and 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.160 nobody believes in or respects anything. So I personally think 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.199 hip hop needs its mentors. Well we have, we do. 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.879 They're out there. The men who are out there, they 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:48.080 are capable. The problem is, I do believe that there's 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.520 a number of guys out there who won't jump out 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.960 there for various reasons. One could be that, you know, 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.639 they feel like the youngsters are not gonna listen, so 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.760 it would be a waste of time. Then you have 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:01.919 us who may not want to see anything because they 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.840 don't want to be looked at as a hypocrite because 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.200 they had a tumultual with upbringing. They did some dirt 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.520 and stuff. Somebody's gonna throw it in their face. You know, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.399 they're gonna get it thrown in their face when they 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.520 go out there and and and try to bring these youngsters, 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.640 you know, uh, to an understanding lean. Let me say 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.879 this all. Let me say this too, Doc. We lost 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.800 hip hop when we let the machine dictate what got 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.119 a chance to make it and what didn't. Okay, because 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.399 we have some artists out here that are of the 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:38.560 younger generation that that makes music that makes sense, and 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.520 it's just not what the the powers that be showed 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.880 choose chooses to put out there, you know what I mean, 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.200 Like like I'm not I'm not and I love to 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.720 see young black skin money. That's a beautiful thing. But 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:58.760 it was one mc hammer and it was uh a 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.159 thousand great artists, you know what I mean? It was 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.320 it was one person that did dancing, one person that 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:09.280 did did did uh uh commercial rap. You know I'm 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.920 not slighting him at all, don't don't say that, But 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.880 it was it was artists that because I haven't got 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.160 them hands and you know, ship I got them trying 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.159 to no way, you know nobody bought that ship. I 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:28.920 got hands too. Huh ainybody my tongue, Man, how I 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:37.760 got in? I'm not your brother fucking hair. When you 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.479 think how much time? Why are you? What do you 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.680 think the meaning of how much time is? And I'll 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:53.800 just say if HIMMA jumped me, man, you better jump in. Man, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.200 I'm gonna say, hem, what the fun did they could 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.679 do to you? Man? Shot to him? See him? But 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.640 back in the gap, you had like one, uh now, 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.240 I get what you're saying, put on the show, and 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.840 then you had twenty other artists that that that that 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.639 wrapped their way to the top type you feel me? 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.440 And now you got all these other artists right now. 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.360 They just put on shows that can't rap work the fun, 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.320 you know, but they you know, and I'm not I'm 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.240 not disappointed in that at all. But I blame the 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.639 machine for for for the mom and Pops. You know, 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.800 you crippled the black community when you took the mom 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.720 and Pops out of the neighborhood. You know, I blame 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:41.240 I blame those powers that be for taking CDs out 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:45.040 of the best buyers. And you know, instead of having 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.560 to buy a single, you can now just stream the 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.560 ship one time and give us a penny. And you 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.560 you getting the money for the subscriptions, okay, and said 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:59.760 you got twenty million, thirty million subscriptions to Apple at 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:04.479 nine nine a month, or you wanta give this black artist, 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.040 you know, three bucks a record, four bucks a record, 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.919 pick one. The powers that be fuck this game up. 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.480 You know, if you don't have an Instagram following in 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.840 your streams, not you're not gonna get a deal, and 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:19.840 I know, how did you get it back? How do 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.359 you how do you get it back? How do you 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:25.840 regain control? You? You ship? I mean, how did jazz 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.440 regain control? How did reggae regain control? How did R 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.919 and B regain control? You know who stole the soul? 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:40.040 How does rock regain control? You know what I think happened? 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:44.880 I think, uh with those genres, I think the the 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:51.120 the powers that be, the the commercial companies, they started 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.959 to devalue it right. And once they devalued it, I 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:59.040 think that those people that was in the business, they 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.800 saw an opportunity and said, Okay, it's our chance to 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.600 go in and and reclaim our thing and be independent 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.000 and now and not only we were gonna be in 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:09.960 it and and we're gonna be independent, but now we're 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.840 gonna set ourselves up as the gatekeepers. Make your laugh, right, 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.960 let me make you laugh. When we were growing up 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.640 in junior high school and high school and we saw 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.760 a little white kid rapping, we thought that was the 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:27.560 coolest ship that we had ever seen. Right, we didn't. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.080 We didn't realize that that it was gonna come a 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:35.280 time that hip hop was gonna turn into two jazz 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.239 or turning the rock like we didn't know that they 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.720