WEBVTT - #420 Packers Unscripted: Memories and moving forward 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:21.120 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.599 I am Mike Spofford, rejoined by my trusted colleague West 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.640 Hodkowits were coming to you here from our studios at 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.600 lambeau Field. Welcome back to the show. West. Yeah, thank you. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.360 I was worried at first that maybe my pass card 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:36.400 when I was walking back into the building wasn't gonna work, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.680 and you know, i'd be just sitting outside with all 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.600 of my boxes and office supplies. But fortunately I still 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.400 have a desk and obviously I still have a spot. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.479 We thank Aaron for joining you, which I thought was 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.199 a pretty good episode. Yeah, it was fun. It was 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.760 a good conversation. But we are certainly glad to have 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.120 you back. A lot to talk about here, West, as 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.880 the Packers have just finished two joint practices with the 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:00.160 Houston Texans. The preseason opener against those same Texans is 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.040 coming up Thursday night at lambeau Field. But I want 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:07.560 to start this show with some brief recollections on an 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.280 all time Packers great He was back in the building 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.360 on Tuesday, Jordy Nelson making his retirement from the NFL 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.880 official retiring as a member of the Green Bay Packers. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.440 He didn't stand at the podium and give a speech. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.640 He just said, all right, I'll take some questions and um, 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:28.319 but some some interesting little anecdotes that that came out 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:32.720 from his career. Just your your memories, your recollections of 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.520 number eighty seven. I want to first off mentioned I 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.240 actually asked Tremon Williams about that this week, the fact 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.160 that if it was kind of funny seeing Geordy have 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.360 retirement pereimony, considering Jordi has never been a guy that 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.760 really wants to be in the spotlight in Treman as 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.120 Tremont always does, phund a phenomenal way of conceptualizing everything, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.760 where he said, you know, the one thing that he understood, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.480 Jordy understood was that even though he didn't want to 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.040 be in the spotlight, the way he played on the 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.160 field put him in the spotlight. And if you were 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.120 going to be there, you have to be able to 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.520 carry yourself in a way in which you're not only 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.440 a top flight Pro Bowl receiver, but you're going to 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.840 be a leader on this team. And I think, as 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.959 you saw as well with guys speaking around the locker 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.760 room this past week, consistency and leadership or the two 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.000 you know, kind of buzzwords when it comes to Jordy 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.480 Nelson from a play style perspective, I haven't covered the 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.040 NFL for a long time. Mike, uh, you know. I 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.720 know there's been great receivers that have come before Jordy Nelson. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.080 They'll be create receivers that come after Jordy Nelson. But 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.280 I don't know if there's anyone that I've covered that's 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.800 made my jaw drop as much as Nelson did with 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.160 his play. And when I was asking some players in 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:39.680 the locker room this past week, you know, when they 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.840 think of Jordy Nelson, what did what comes to mind 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.399 so many of them, as I think even Jordy did 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:48.760 mention that play in San Francisco. The sports science sideline 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.720 catches the things that he could do that went above 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:56.120 and beyond what a receiver should be able to do. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:01.680 Maybe not biologically, but that sort of telekinesis that he 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.399 had with Aaron Rodgers to be in the right place 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:05.880 at the right time, and then, by the way, when 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.200 you're in the right place at the right time, making 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.560 an out of this world catch. When I think of 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.160 Jordy Nelson and ten fifteen years go by, those will 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.000 be the memories that come to mind. First. Yeah, absolutely, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:22.280 and to me, it definitely is the connection, the chemistry, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:28.560 the camaraderie every yeah, with Aaron Rodgers. As I've mentioned, 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.880 I think before, on the show a couple of years ago, 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.280 Rogers and Nelson were the cover story for the Packers 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.600 year Book, and I was fortunate enough to get about 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.760 a half hour sit down in a room just the 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.080 three of us, had both of them together, and I've 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.720 never asked so few questions west in a half hour 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.520 interview because all I had to do was bring up 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.880 a play, bring up a moment, and Rogers and Nelson 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.320 started talking. I mean, we all know about rogers recall 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.400 of details and everything like that. Jordy Nelson's not far behind, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.560 and that's part of the reason he had that connection 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:05.160 that he had with Rogers, because he remembered everything. And 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.280 I think in some ways as disappointing as it was 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.040 obviously that with the great start to seventeen and Jordi 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.600 had six touchdown catches in the first five games, but 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.440 then Aaron Rodgers ends up breaking his collar bone and 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.640 Jordy Nelson's last season doesn't finish the way it started. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.200 It's fitting in some ways that his last touchdown catch 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.920 as a member of the Packers, which he second all 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.839 time in touchdowns, and he and Rogers as a tandem 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.000 have combined for more touchdowns than anyone else in Packer's history. 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.600 It was in Dallas prior to the dramatic Davante Adams 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.320 last second touchdown catch, but it was on an adjustment 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.040 at the line of scrimmage that the two of them 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.800 had talked about and that they both remembered from a 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:53.120 game in Miami in two thousand and fourteen. That this 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.920 is three years later than in ten, that they connect 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:57.640 on a touchdown in the back of the end zone 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.880 in Dallas and that ends up being his last touchdown 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:04.479 as a Packer. It almost doesn't get more fitting than that. Well, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.360 it also is something that perfectly encapsulates their relationship, their 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.200 friendship and their partnership over all those years. I remember 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.159 there was a story I wrote that technically was on 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.080 Aaron Rodgers for the Game Program, which was in two 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.480 thousand and seventeen, I believe, and I have mentioned to him, 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.280 and he was almost kind of taken back by it 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.360 for a moment that him and Nelson at that point 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.760 in time, there was no other quarterback and receiver in 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.160 the NFL that had been together for as long as 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.400 they had been together. And it wasn't even close. It 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.760 was by like two or three years. Because one, you 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.080 just don't find receivers and quarterbacks that are that good, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.400 that are able to stick around that long together kind 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.360 of in that same age vicinity. Now you start to 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.640 see it more where it's the Aaron Rodgers and a 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.520 younger guy like Davante Adams or you know what Drew 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.960 Brees has done with the litany of receivers that he's 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.800 worked with over the years, and that relationship when you 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.880 can get two guys playing together for ten years, the 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.080 the amount of knowledge and trust that you developed with 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.560 that individual. The other thing too, about Jordy Nelson that 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.839 I've always found to be really insightful into the man 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.120 he is. He wasn't the kind of guy that was 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.360 ever going to stand at his locker and give you 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:21.520 this ESPN breaking news first of the broadcast type quote. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.599 But he was accountable and he always carried himself in 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.240 a way in which he reflected the direction you wanted 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.480 the team to go. I don't think I ever left 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.719 at Jordy Nelson interview, thinking, man, this team has no shot. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.720 This this you know, this thing isn't gonna get worked out. 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:41.159 He was a consummate professional that always stressed going back, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.160 learning from your mistakes and being able to make those 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.920 adjustments and move forward. And I thought the perfect example 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.200 that was two thousand sixteen, one of his last big 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.240 years here in Green Bay. The fact that things were 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.760 going in the direction they were, people started questioning things. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.920 Rogers utters the words around the table, and we talked 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.560 so much about that moment. But if you go back 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.960 and look at the locker room stuff and and listen 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.120 to Geordie's interviews at that time, he was saying all along, 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:09.960 He's like, we just gotta work at this thing. We 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.720 got to get it going and practice and it'll translate 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.360 to the field. It's not like they just snapped their 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.600 fingers in the tide of the season change. It was 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.320 a mental toughness and confidence that they were gonna be 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.640 able to find a way. And again with Nelson and 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.520 Rogers leading that offense for all those years, it doesn't 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.200 surprise me at all that they end up having the 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.360 success that they did. Yeah, I mean the number of 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.080 memories that have flooded back into my head over the 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.440 last couple of days. I mean, whether you're talking about 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.560 the nine catches for a hundred and forty yards in 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.120 the Super Bowl, which could have been twelve catches for 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.400 two hundred yards. Uh, the way things were going, and 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.280 unfortunately Nelson had a couple of drops. But to his credit, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.080 Um just kept battling in that game, filling in for 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.480 Donald Driver, taking on a larger role in the Super 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.840 Bowl than the third year wide receiver at that time 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.760 could have ever imagined. But with Driver leaving that game 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.240 with the broken ankle. I remember two thousand fourteen, he 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.880 beats derrel Rievas of the Patriots on the slant and 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.160 then just outruns him all the way across the field 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.720 of the pylon for a touchdown. You mentioned the the 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.120 tiptoe sideline thing in San Francisco, which sort of started 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.920 a sequence of those throughout the course of that season 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.440 in the future seasons. With his footwork on the side 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.560 that an entirely different level not to jump over. Yeah, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.600 it's one thing to connect on the back Shuler's another 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.080 thing to do with him, and Rogers were able to 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.320 do it. Yeah, I mean he has his he has 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.320 his career year in two thousand fourteen, when Rogers wins 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.320 his second m v P. He Um unfortunately loses the 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.400 season to an a c L, then wins NFL Comeback 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.840 Player of the Year honors in and finishes that season 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.520 playing with a flak jacket with broken ribs in the 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.679 NFC Championship game against Atlanta. I could go on and on, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:50.800 and like I say, it's just all the memories of 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.280 everything that have that have come flooding back. Hopefully I 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.120 was able to capture his sentiments and some of mine 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.400 as well. In the piece that's on packers dot Com 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.200 right now, under the headline of Jordy Nelson reflects on 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.320 his remarkable career. But um, the memories are just endless. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.680 Yeah they are. And and it was a great story. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.839 The one thing I'll leave this section on him mentioning 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.240 about when he told his son they were going to 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.480 move back down to Kansas. They're gonna move home to Kansas. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.560 He's like, but Green Bay is home. And when you 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.400 think about it, when he played ten years there, I 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.120 think Royal now is maybe eight or nine somewhere around there. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:31.000 Maybe his whole life was spending Green Bay, Wisconsin. So yeah, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.040 when you think of home, when you think of where 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.439 you're born, that's home. So it's a special place. And 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:37.719 I'm sure we're gonna be seeing a lot more to 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.520 Jordy Nelson in years to come here. Yeah, hopefully for sure. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.760 Um a little bit of sponsor business here. West's select 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.720 Cousin Subs locations are now offering delivery. Whether you're ordering 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.960 catering or your favorite sub, they're delivering right to you 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.920 when you order online at Cousin Subs dot com. Cousin Subs. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.840 We believe in better all right. The team at hand, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.200 the two thousand nineteen m Bay Packers a couple of 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.240 joint practices with the Houston Texans in the book leading 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:09.000 up to Thursday Nights preseason opener. What were your general thoughts, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.600 just your overall takeaways from the two days of practice 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.160 with the Texans. First time the Packers have had joint 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.720 practices in training camp with another team since two thousand five. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.200 Did you get a chance to watch many of the 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.280 offensive line and defensive line one in one drills only 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.559 a little bit, actually more more on Monday than on 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.000 tu Yeah, so I watched both on both days more 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:33.120 so the Packers defensive line against the offensive line of 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.160 the Texans. And this isn't to say they don't always try. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.200 I think those are very competitive drill. When you watch them, 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.000 you know, good on good, but they're just seemed to 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.559 be a little extra kick and energy in those when 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.920 they were going up against the Texans. I sensed that too. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.720 It just seemed like the collisions were just a little 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.840 bit more forceful, and it just seemed like guys were 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.360 trying a little bit harder and wanting to show them 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.280 to be the superior side. And the one thing that 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.959 my biggest takeaway from it was is Rashan Gary can play. 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.240 He has the he has it in him. We want 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.040 to see it in some games now, but it translates. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.080 He was going up against Matt Khalil on Monday and 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.400 he looked great. He won two reps there. He had 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:17.559 to really competitive reps on Tuesday. So Darius Smith phenomenal. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.120 I think I used him as my thing on three things. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.680 Kingsley Keekley, the rookie fifth round pick. I'm not saying 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.959 he's gonna be a starter this year, but he has 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.160 some twitch in him that I think is really special 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.319 for a fifth round player. So I enjoyed watching that. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.800 And then obviously you can't avoid it. I mean there 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.000 were there were a couple of scuffles there. Jay Sternberger 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.320 took a pretty heavy hit. It's interesting when you go 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.160 back and look at it. I saw somebody on Twitter 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.319 brought up the video. I didn't realize this, but Jay 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.760 Sternberger had a pretty good stiff arm on Lonnie Johnson 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.240 last year in a college game that led to a 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.960 big touchdown. Not saying that that's where that came from, 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.520 but people don't forget. You never know. You never know, 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.280 but that was probably my biggest takeaway was was the 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.679 one on one drills and then obviously some of the extracurriculars. Yeah, 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:03.600 the Unfortunately, Ja Sternberger is being evaluated for concussion now, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.319 even though he did actually come back into practice on Monday. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.880 Trevor Davis also unfortunately took a took a hit in 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.840 a special teams drill. The special teams the kickoff cover 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.160 and kickoff return in particular, they were going full speed 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.960 aside from actually tackling the guy with the ball, and uh. Unfortunately, Davis, 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:23.880 who as we've talked about, has had a great camp. 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.240 He had a great family night. Now he's out with 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.959 a stinger. Hopefully it won't keep him out long because 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.400 that's a uh, that's a young man who was definitely 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.719 making a really, really strong bid to be on this team. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.840 And it had nothing to do with returns. I mean, 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.800 we haven't seen much in terms of returns in this camp. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.760 The reason why Trevor Davis is making headlines and get 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.280 an interview in the locker room is because what he's 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.280 doing as a receiver. Yeah, this is by far, it's 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.080 not even close the best camp he's had in Green Bay. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.200 He looks comfortable, he's in sync with Rogers, and he's 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.920 always had game breaking speed. UM, So trying to get 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:59.880 him on the same page with Rodgers and get him 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.120 in tune with this offense. If that happens, and if 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:03.360 he can get back from this injuries, so we can 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.120 see him in the preseason. I really hope fans who 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.280 aren't able to get to practice are able to see 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.520 that Trevor Davis in the preseason setting because he's been 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:15.040 exceptional so far. Yeah, hopefully he'll be back sooner than later. UM. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:19.840 With the preseason opener Thursday night at lambeau Field, we 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.000 all know these preseason games, it's not about wins and losses. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.280 It's not necessarily about the number of points that are 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:30.160 on the scoreboard. It's about individual player performance, player evaluation. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.360 And this is just the start, obviously, the first of 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.160 four preseason games, the most important film, frankly, that any 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.959 of these players who are fighting for roster spots are 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.480 going to are going to have in terms of making 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.920 their impression on the coaches, on the personnel staff. Who 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.760 are Who's the first guy that comes to mind for 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.680 you that you're going to be watching closely on Thursday, Timo. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.440 And the main reason why someone asked an incenter in box, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.040 and it was a fair question this past week on 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.400 how the backup quarterbacks have looked. My reply was they've 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.720 had their moments and they've had throws they want back. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.439 All three of them have had that. I mean even 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.280 to some extent. I'm sure Aaron Rodgers has had that, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.439 but we all know he'll be the starting quarterback in 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.080 Week one. But the three guys vying to back up 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.120 Rogers and then make a case for that number three 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.719 role on the fifty three man roster, I want to 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.440 see it in games now. Deshaun Kaiser has made some 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.520 exceptional throws so far early on, and he's had some 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.600 you know, tough moments as well. I actually think Tim Boyle, 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.240 in the reps he's had with the threes, has looked good. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.720 He's making the right reads, he's he's being able to 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.240 move the ball. Trying to cut down on some of 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.120 the mental errors is going to be critical for him. 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:36.800 But this is the reason I said Boyle is we 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.800 didn't really get a chance to see him that much 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.200 last year in the preseason. If I remember, he barely 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.120 played at all those last two weeks. So if he 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.680 can get the chance to get out there and getting comfortable, 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:48.800 I really want to see if he can push Kaiser 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.280 for that number two job. And Manny Wilkins is entirely 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.200 different than the other two. His skill set and what 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.360 we've seen in camp so far. He can make throws, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.200 he has a live arm, he's athletic, he's a scram ler, 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.160 but he's just not like anyone else on this roster. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.480 So I want to see how that looks in a 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.160 game too. So it's probably an easy answer for me 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.360 to say the quarterbacks, but after talking, you can talk 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.640 six different ways from Sunday about how guys look and 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.760 practice when they're throwing the football and days are gonna 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.520 be good and days are gonna be bad. Let let's 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.680 see what happens in a game, because with that, there's 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.600 only four of them and you have to make him calm. Yeah, 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.400 and I think this is a big game. Along those 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.320 same lines, the first guy that comes to mind for 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.320 me is Deshaun Kaiser because based on what we have 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.400 seen in practice, Deshaun Kaiser right now, if you had 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.080 to pick it, he's the number two quarterback on this team. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.120 So he has to use these preseason games to solidify 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:42.760 that um, solidify his status there and uh and continue 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.760 to generate the confidence from the coaching staff and the 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.040 personnel department that he can be that guy. With what 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.440 he's done so far in training camp leading up to 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.360 this first preseason game, you don't want to see a 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.040 step backward. You don't want to see a step back 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.400 from from anybody, but certainly from Kaiser, with the way 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.680 his relief appearances for Aaron Rodgers last season did not 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.280 go well. As you said, he has definitely made some plays. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.480 I think he's flashed the most out of all of 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.480 the backup quarterbacks in camp so far. Now it's got 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.360 to it's got to find another level in the preseason. Absolutely, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.520 And for Kaiser, he's still credibly young, but he also 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.520 is in his third season. Now you want to see 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.080 those strides. I think I've said before Mechanically, his size, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.680 his prototype, he has everything you look for in a quarterback. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.040 It's trying to tie it all together and mesh with 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.960 Matt Lafleur's scheme. And he has some good receivers that 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:33.640 are gonna be hungry to compete with him in these 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.440 games as well. And you're from two to seven, it's 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.960 a wide open competition. And heck, Mike, another guy that 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.520 I'm gonna be looking at two is Darius Shepherd, the 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.560 former tryout receiver from North Dakota State. Right, here's a 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.920 guy that's getting reps with the number one. Daris Shepherd 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.680 now needs to go out there and prove that he's 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.240 not just Tye Tyrone Walker who's gonna go out and 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.840 make some pressive catches in the preseason and then just 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:56.880 come up short when it comes time to make the roster. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.360 He's trying to actually make a bit at this thing too. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.200 So seeing those young hunger receivers trying to make some 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:04.840 place for these quarterbacks. Two is going to be a 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.240 really interesting thing to watch. Yeah, And if there's another guy, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:08.760 and I don't want to get too much more into 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.400 the receiver's obviously we're gonna be watching them and we'll 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.200 certainly talk about them after the game. But if there's 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.600 another guy on offense that this is a big game 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.880 and I'm certainly gonna be watching, I think it's worth 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.960 fans watching for Number seventy Alex Light at offensive tackle 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.720 because the Packers just waved injured Jason Spriggs, the fourth 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.879 year backup offensive tackle. Alex Light is now the number 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:36.080 three tackle on this roster behind David bok tr and 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.000 Brian Bulaga. The coaching staff likes him, They like what 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.639 they see, and it's about it's him doing it in 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.520 the games now in you know, under the bright lights 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.600 and in in the big setting. This is a huge 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:52.040 opportunity for him to really cement his status and where 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.800 he stands on this roster. And uh, he's going to 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.040 be a guy to watch throughout the entire preseason. He's 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.000 getting the reps too. I think you're going to see 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:00.920 him play a lot this season, because I don't know 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.199 how much we're gonna see Brian Bolagh. I mean, they 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.400 obviously have a plan for Bolaga. They want to keep 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.359 him healthy. He's in a good spot right now, He's 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.120 had a full off season. They don't want any setbacks there. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.560 So Alex Light's gonna play a lot, and his biggest 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.440 challenge here these next four weeks is going to be 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.600 showing that, you know what, I deserve to be that 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.040 number three guy, deserved to be the swing tackle. You 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.639 don't have to start creating strange dominoes where if one 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.120 of those guys goes out, well, then Billy Turner's kicking out, 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.160 or you're having to put you know, Justin McCrae out there, 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.880 or move Lane Taylor around. I'm your guy, and that's 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.000 gonna be a pivotal thing for him. I like his disposition. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.160 This guy came out of nowhere last year, Mike. I mean, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.119 one of the reasons I've said this before an inbox 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.640 that I don't make predictions on the roster. I honestly 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.639 didn't have Alex Light making the roster. I didn't. I 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.680 didn't see him coming on, like I think James Camp 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.200 and then some of these scouts saw him coming on, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.240 and that's because I don't have an eye for talent 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.040 in that way. It's not anything against alex Light, but 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.640 he came out at of Richmond. He was an undrafted 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.679 free agent and he made his presence felt. And now 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.560 he has a million dollar opportunity here to show that 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.000 he belonged. Yeah, well quickly on the defensive side of 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.680 the ball before we run out of time. The guy 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.440 I'm gonna be watching is Tony Brown, the young cornerback 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.000 number twenty eight. Aaron Nageler and I talked about him 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.359 on our previous show, but with Kevin King out right 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.080 now with a hamstring injury, Tony Brown has been the 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.000 guy with the starting nickel defense. As far as the 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:23.000 three corners Jr. Alexander, Termont Williams, and Tony Brown is 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.600 the third guy. He got some reps against DeAndre Hopkins. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.119 These last couple of days with the Houston Texans in town, 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.639 we'll see how much the Texans play their starters. As 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:34.479 we talked about, we're not sure how much the Packers 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.439 are gonna play there's in this first game. But again, 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.280