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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Pullett. SMP five hundred index now trading below

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Speaker 1: it's record one thirty eight. We have got the S

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Speaker 1: tenths of one percent. The tenure down twenty one thirty seconds,

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Speaker 1: with the yield of one point four three percent, Gold

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Speaker 1: drop right now of two point one percent. So again,

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Speaker 1: recapping stocks are higher, but off their session highs. The

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Speaker 1: SMP up eight, a gain of four tenths of one percent.

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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Pellot and that's a Bloomberg business flash. Charlie Pella,

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Speaker 1: thank you so very much. Time now for the e

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Speaker 1: eight percent this year. That means a lot for some

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Speaker 1: we turn to our own Catherine Cowdry. Gold is climbed

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Speaker 1: this year. Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Eric beltounis and what this

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Speaker 1: Bealtuna says, there's broad based interest in ETFs in this category.

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Speaker 1: You look down the precious metal ttfs, you see fifteen

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Speaker 1: That is a sign that the depth of the concern

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Speaker 1: your Bloomberg ETF report. I'm Catherine Cowderie. This is taking

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Speaker 1: Stock with Kathleen Hayes and Pim Box on Bloomberg Radio,

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Speaker 1: searching for income in a yield starved world. Scott Davis

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Speaker 1: his senior portfolio manager and head of income Strategies at

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Speaker 1: Columbia thread Needle Investments and he joins us now Boston.

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Speaker 1: Scott Davis, thank you very much for being with us.

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Speaker 1: What if you could tell us some of your strategies

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Speaker 1: to run the Columbia Dividend income funded ticker symbol they're

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Speaker 1: a g s F t X. Yeah, thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me on UM. You know, I think one of the

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Speaker 1: look at what we think sources the dividend, and for us,

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Speaker 1: we do. Well. That sounds very sensible to me. What

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Speaker 1: don't think dividend yield is a value metric. We actually

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Speaker 1: happy you joined us today. Scott is Senior portfolio a

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